hivescum-class

[spice cloud]

Theres much better stuff to invest in

[muted pivot]

Wait is extra pouches the +1 blitz slot talent?

[spice cloud]

Yes

Its one extra grenade.

[muted pivot]

Yeah hard to justify not taking that for me unless I go blinders (which necessitates pocket tox so still spending the point)

Scum blitzes are so strong lol

[distant hatch]

Returning player is the class worth it to buy it?

[astral canyon]

Its currently second strongest behind psyker

[distant hatch]

Oh ok

[gray fable]

lawnmower of a class

[zenith fern]

not worth, it is a must buy

[zinc dirge]

hahaha 😄 well, thats what i call advice 😄

[zenith fern]

All paid classes are must buy even if you don't like or play them

More money for the skinny fish to make more shop slop and another 30 classes

[zinc dirge]

i was wondering if they make a full stop on classes after skitarii and focus more on new maps, overhaul expeditions which are dead right now

[zenith fern]

skitarii is probably the last or second last class

[astral canyon]

Tenth to last

[open quail]

Tbh depends on them

When they make content the player count rises

It will only die when they choose to stop making stuff

Considering its all paid content it makes them money

I dont wanna buy arbites though

I dont like it

[muted pivot]

It took me like 80 games to start to like it

Then I got a bottomless Bolter build for it and I'm now a believer in the Lex.

[open quail]

Whats it like

Also skitarii will make them a lot of money and bring in new players too

[muted pivot]

#arbites-class message

It's hilarious

[vapid jungle]

Castigator bolter is hella fun

[zenith fern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1385180267148476466/1490129561936072734/Warhammer_40-000-_Darktide_-_2026-04-05_12-21-37_AM.mp4?ex=6a18258c&is=6a16d40c&hm=a1f59b153bc46f4d9312a54c29a667379c86582e5ebecf9024208cc6aac285e5&

Dont you love red mist?

[astral fiber]

If you're comfortable with being pretty easy to go down at times, yeah

Hive Scum DPS is only out done by Psyker, and arguably if built right can be insanely hard to kill.

Actually got the auric storm survivor achievement (without leaving matches) on a chem build for scum.

[open quail]

whats needler dump stat?

[limber cradle]

Damage

Anything but ammo and stability iirc

[open quail]

whats shiv dump stat?

[open quail]

chem build with rampage?

[muted pivot]

Mobility

[open quail]

does needler toxin stack on each shot?

[muted pivot]

Yeah baby

5 normal mode shots fully stacks it

[gray fable]

why wouldnt it

[muted pivot]

Idk how blue mode stacks though fwiw

I usually try to shoot multiple targets with it

Rather than plugging the same

(is this best practice or not?)

[open quail]

this class is cracked

[naive imp]

thats what i usually do

shoot the squishiest few in a mixed horde

[astral fiber]

i ran full chem build lol

rampage is really strong though, i just find chem build to be a lil more useful overall as it can make your entire team cracked instead of just yourself.

Rampage is still broken asf tho lol

[open quail]

what build is it?

[astral fiber]

chem build with stimm supply

[open quail]

stimm supply fully stacks dependency?

[open quail]

bought arbites

lmao

build looks fun

[dense hollow]

all stimms fully stack dependancy

[open quail]

I need to survive till skitarii cant play scum unly

[dense hollow]

u dont need a box to do it

a max duration stimm can do it too as long as u dont have maxed out chems allocated

[open quail]

it says a stimm gives you a stack in the description

[dense hollow]

correct

[open quail]

there are 3 stack

4 with node

[dense hollow]

you have 90 seconds to inject another one

it fully refreshes timer when you inject

and increments it by one

[astral fiber]

Yeah

[dense hollow]

this node is bait

[open quail]

also is it applying the effects all the time? like if you put toughness is it pumping you till it ends?

[dense hollow]

the chem dependancy stacks only give you what it says on the keystone

[astral fiber]

Yeah, you might be thinking of the stimm lab

[astral canyon]

stimm supply just gives you the effect of your stimm plus the anti corruption stuff

[astral fiber]

I use uhh

Attack speed and a lil bit of strength on my stimms

Works well enough

But tbf it's hive scum unless you're running crowbar you'll be fine 😌

[dense hollow]

crowbar's story gets more tragic every update

what does he even do now that crushers are an extinct species

[astral fiber]

Nothing

[astral canyon]

even crowbar works on rampage builds

just dont run bonesaw

[astral fiber]

Yeah but like

Why would you run crowbar when the shivs call to you like crack

[dense hollow]

crowbar works because rampage is the strongest melee ability in the game

its like pbb making twinks insanely good

[astral fiber]

I'm currently running bone saw and unironically find it more consistent than crowbar lmfao

[mossy tapir]

Stimm supply is funny because it kinda works with whatever stimm you throw in it, 15 second cd bomb that also restores you 50% toughness off-rip and makes you just immune to corruption or longer cd full stimms that buff you and your homies that you can still get the cd down to decent numbers with sample collector

Fun ability

[dense hollow]

if your stimm is 15 seconds then you really dont need sample collector

oh u mention it for running with full duration stimms

mb og

[mossy tapir]

No worries but also valid

If you put the bomb in dense enough crowds you could end up just getting it right back after it explodes but yeah its a niche situation

Sample collector is also just a very conveniently placed talent

Honestly I find myself flipping between short or long stimms because I cant decide whether I like the fast bomb or strong buffs more, theyre both fairly decent if you can play around them

[muted pivot]

Bone saw is B tier, Crowbar is C tier, Shivs are S tier

...wait a minute, I'm sensing a pattern

[mossy tapir]

Satisfying to look at a pack of ragers, crushers, maulers, etc. and hold them in place until the bomb goes off

[astral canyon]

bonesaw is worse than crowbar imo

saying bonesaw is b tier is delusional

[mossy tapir]

I like the bonesaw because it just doesn't care what you do with it you can find success with it

Yeah other weapons are probably better than it when built for it but chem saw doesnt mind either way you just hit people with it and make them gross until they die simple as

[muted pivot]

I still say purple mode is underrated for bosses

If you're backing it up with a needle gun

[open quail]

called my arbites brutus

hitting people with a baton

K9 unit real cool

[mossy tapir]

Bolt pistol on scum is neat

I do enjoy the extra range on the stimm supply bomb and blitzes, and it still does the job of getting long range specials out

Won't be winning boss damage competitions though but its still funky

Also kinda funny to fastball a blackout at someone and cause them to bleed too

Works with shiv knives too if im to believe

[muted pivot]

Oh damn I didn't run blackouts last time I tried this

New build time, thanks <3

Do you run the mark 6 pistol? Seems like the most fun for scum

[astral canyon]

i never heard of this

damn it actually is a thing

not like 4 stacks of bleed are gonna do much when youre already applying 3 tox on them

[glad sinew]

I mean They for sure Are NOT going to be having a good time by any means

[astral canyon]

yeah but like

i doubt the bleed will get you kills that you weren't getting with the tox already

[glad sinew]

Fair enough

[mossy tapir]

yeah thats the one i was using

[mossy tapir]

more than likely not but its about sending a message

[astral canyon]

also depends on you throwing the blinder while you are holding the bistol which like

just shoot them at that point

[open quail]

Uncanny strike or precognition on shiv?

i want to remove stim 25% finesse final node

and use it somewhere else

[astral canyon]

precog

[livid raven]

why

[astral canyon]

also yeah why

[verbal dew]

you usually want to hit at least 1 final node on a stim

[bronze glade]

Uncanny not so hot anymore

[dense hollow]

why would u do this on shivs of all weapons

[limpid torrent]

what other methods can i use to increase chem damage? is it purley talent tree or does weapon level affect it?

[livid raven]

any global damage/strength modifier

[gray fable]

headshoting with needle gun

but who even does that anyway...

[astral canyon]

that just applies more stacks

[open quail]

cause I want movement speed node

[dense hollow]

so get both? i dont see the problem here

[open quail]

gets too loaded

[astral canyon]

wdym

[open quail]

too long cooldown

[dense hollow]

ur 75 sec stimm is like 30-40 secs with sample collector

gets shorter the higher difficulty you go

[astral canyon]

stimm cooldown doesnt really matter

[open quail]

we'll see

trying arbites rn

[dense hollow]

if im going the attack speed route i go for stun immunity anyway

saves you more often than movespeed

[vapid jungle]

That was so important for the rager event we just had

You got stunned you died

[dense hollow]

event or not sometimes ur skills fail you and the stun immunity saves you

also flamers stun u so thats another plus

[vapid jungle]

Yah i almost always take stun immunity on that tree. Ill take the reload speed for triple barrel shenanigans but that's it. The movespeed node has gotten me killed too many times🤣

[main trellis]

Stun immunity is bugged

Does not apply

Classic

[dense hollow]

i thought it did when i used it?

did it get bugged in a patch

[vapid jungle]

Oh when did it break?

[livid raven]

both slowldown and stun immunity are bugged

[dense hollow]

buns

i couldve sworn there was a time when it worked

[livid raven]

yeah prob got bugged with the latest patch

or the one before

[limpid torrent]

do stims count as combat ability?

[fast surge]

No

That would be broken

[astral wing]

9 stam scum is spoiling me in qp

[flat lotus]

oh my god

[frigid adder]

Does scum have a good tank build?

[gray fable]

uhhh no lol kek

[verbal dew]

all health curios, rampage, hive city brawler, and chem dep

[gray fable]

ah well maybe yeah

but why... dodges exist

[frigid adder]

because i like playing tanks lol?

[verbal dew]

you can eat an overhead

[frigid adder]

I'm not saying "Scum should have tank." I'm asking "Does scum have tank?"

[verbal dew]

scum has lots of toughness outs so you can get by fine with relatively little toughness if you wanted to

[bronze glade]

Simply take rampage and anything in the tree that gives dr or tdr

[frigid adder]

I'll have to give it another go, before I write it off as just a not for me class.

[bronze glade]

Probably something like this

But it’s a bit of a meme build tbh

[verbal dew]

here I eat a sniper shot in h40

[frigid adder]

oh neata non londoners build

[verbal dew]

devil's claw is very much brain off gameplay

the only attack variation I do is PA, light, light for single targets

[frigid adder]

As an ex rock muncher brain off is good

[verbal dew]

this is on old tree too, I haven't used it too much with the new one

[frigid adder]

Yeah I played scum back a lot when it came out but ran into issues trying to step into havoc and i think another games update was on the horizon so i dropped off.. wanna give scum another go before i just write it off.

[verbal dew]

some variation of this

[bronze glade]

It’s a braindead powerful class

Just gotta dodge

[verbal dew]

hammerblow shred on mk7 devil's claw

and just standard needler

[frigid adder]

I'm nto at my piece just yet (couch agro to strong) but i'll save this to try later.

[verbal dew]

it shines in h40 more than it does in like auric maelstrom, since the enemy density is much higher to have really long rampage uptimes

[frigid adder]

Can you send me the melee weapon to? Just so I don't forget when my shows over lol

[verbal dew]

ye

[frigid adder]

darktide does hordes the best in the biz

[frigid adder]

daaanks

[bronze glade]

Real chads run hammerblow skullcrusher

I’m not even joking

It’s actually stupidly strong

[open quail]

Loving arbites and wanted to do this build but I got attached to the dog, I feel like my other half is missing with no dog

[verbal dew]

ye you can, this really likes the extra crit chance so

[frigid adder]

I like the dog to much and find it to useful to give up. also My arbi is Tom and Jerry

[flat lotus]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a09478f2-6f77-43e2-a77c-e18b438fed7e/melee-desperado

please look at this build i accidentally found

[gray fable]

needle pistol

https://tenor.com/view/nick-l4d-l4d2-nick-in-hell-fire-gif-14225585450618374540

[flat lotus]

The ability is just to keep you safe from sprinting into a room where there’s a lot of shooty boys the rest of the time your just using your stim as much as possible to regain toughness and to give battle buffs also the ability makes you count as dogging range fire upping crit on melee weapon so you can focus on mele or snipe with side arm but mostly kept in blue mode so when you do need to keep safe you can spread toxin and regain more toughness threw toxic renewal

[sick ibex]

Hi neo here , having trouble naming my scum as i cannot pick a good name , so far it was going to be either morpheus as a pun on the matrix and my name or
neo-drug-litan . Any other ideas are welcome

[gray fable]

hi kar here 🫃

[sick ibex]

Yea you a scum player - you should be HI for most of the gameplay

[gray fable]

https://tenor.com/view/firecracker-cough-homelander-disgust-bass-gif-3992230818649306986

[sick ibex]

Help with the name and ill stop with the jokes

[gray fable]

no

[sick ibex]

im sorry im not a chemist

[plain orchid]

i can attempt to think of something but it took me awhile to get my scums name

[plain orchid]

dimitri? (dmt)

[sick ibex]

I'll consider it. Wanted so hard for all my character names to be a pun on my name but scum im having trouble with

[plain orchid]

ah

neomollytan is an option too

[limber cradle]

I named mine Jacket fwiw

[sick ibex]

Heck i even came up with a skiitarii name but i can't do hivescum so at this point i might give up

[plain orchid]

i named my scum istas

[flat lotus]

i try to come up with names that fit the universe

[sick ibex]

Neo-pill-litan? Idk if that is good nough tho

[flat lotus]

my scum is Magpie

[plain orchid]

methopolitan

[sick ibex]

Love that

Might go with it

[plain orchid]

👍

[sick ibex]

Also i need a rate on my skitarii name

Neo-cortex

And crash.log as his servo skull

[plain orchid]

scum is the only character i have a 'joke' name on

istas is snow in cheyenne and snow is slang for cocaine

[plain orchid]

thats neat, havent thought of any skitty names yet, mostly waiting to see what the customization options are before hand

neo-processing-unit would be a good choice too if thatd fit 😀

[frigid adder]

dump stat on devils claw is mobility right?

[bronze glade]

Yeah

[bronze crown]

I would say mobility it THE dump stat.

[astral canyon]

nah

some weapons have other dump stats

[plain orchid]

Mobility and defense generally

[barren wasp]

I got an emperors gift double barrel that has 3 barrels

Well technically it’s got just the two but can fire 3 times

[limpid torrent]

what do the different stimm gun marks do?

[shrewd marlin]

changes the alt fire, which never gets used imo

[limpid torrent]

thanks

[hard yew]

Question, can you make a kelermorph with the cosmetics for hivescum?

[craggy stream]

Unfortunately, they only have two arms

[hard yew]

lmao

do they at least have a hazard suit and a poncho?

[limber cradle]

No

[plain orchid]

We got uhhhhh, a jacket and uhhhh some straps

[hard yew]

damn

[craggy stream]

How did the toxic nerfs change hivescum builds?

[trim wind]

https://klipy.com/gifs/i-dont-know-7

[unique spire]

He almost did the 67 thing

[tame sigil]

Ya know, I found a tank scum build and now I can't find it anymore and I'm sad... I'm terrible at dodging...

[tardy jackal]

Raaaaaaaaah rampage shivs is my life now

[arctic imp]

Personally chems feel weaker now but I have to say it’s the one less chem grenade that does it.

You have to be much more selective with them and can often not have one when you need one. Chems besides the grenade nerf are fine though, all those grenades just gave a lot more “staying” power and without as many you definitely notice it if you don’t take the 1+ grenade node

With the added chem nodes of extra damage and the chem splash on elite kill, that plus 1 grenade is even harder to take but chem grenades are the strongest “chems on everything NOW” tool you have

[main wagon]

Tbh hardly a nerf. Hell, my triple barrel gunscum became even stronger because sample collector was made tax free with the new layout

[craggy stream]

Basically it was a nerf for the overpreforming builds to let the other chocies shine a little?

[main wagon]

I guess that’s a good way to put it. I never really used the needle pistol because it kinda feels like shit to use tbh

I just know the update made the loop of Begin Desperado->Desperado Ends->Apply Stimm->Stim Ends->Begin Desperado that much more consistent

I basically never can’t do drugs, I just forget to actually use the stimm lmao

Reminds me of the Arbites shield loop of BTL->Assbeating->Shield Stun->Assbeating->BTL

[craggy stream]

Is the saw hurting from the nerf?

[main wagon]

AFAIK saw is fine

Its viability hasn’t changed

Poor crowbar is like the red headed stepchild of Scum’s arsenal

[craggy stream]

Saw was always a neat one to me. I love the little detail of holding the blade with a rag is neat

[craggy stream]

Crowbar has the struggle of competing with a better weapon (saw) and other solid choices that are insanely boosted by Scum's attack speed steriods

[main wagon]

Yeah, that and the alt mode just being so unwieldy despite their efforts

Oh boy I can turn my functional melee weapon into a latching weapon on the class made of sugar paper

[craggy stream]

Eviscerator Scum when?

[main wagon]

One Rager: “omg hiiii”

[craggy stream]

Maybe give it to Zealot

OR it could be funny if Skitarii has it

[livid raven]

saw is almost universally considered the worst weapon in the arsenal

(that is, universally by me)

[craggy stream]

Ain't no way you think saw is worse than crowbar. Maybe less fun but worse?

[livid raven]

they are both the bottom of the barrel trash tbh, but path thinks the crowbar is tier 1 and saw tier 3

[craggy stream]

What do you prefer?

[livid raven]

between the two or just in general

[craggy stream]

In general

[livid raven]

combat axe, shivs

[tame sigil]

Crowbar is garbo but bonesaw rips on tox builds

[livid raven]

doubt

tacaxe is great too but i don't like it

[tame sigil]

laughs in tox tank

[craggy stream]

Makes sense, every person I've heard talk about combat axe say it would be a lil better with more attack speed

[livid raven]

hivescum makes it better exactly for that

[craggy stream]

I get that, push attacks were never my thing in Vermintide 2

[livid raven]

yeah

i should get my ass moving and finally try heavy sword and devil's claw

[tardy jackal]

so im messing around with the moveset of a lot of the melees
why do we pick rashad over antax? ik Rashad has a more balanced moveset of large swings in light attack and heavy attack chops but antax is the same and its heavy attack seems to hit harder
also why pick mk 3 over 1 with shivs? 3 has better swings and a heavy that swings too
im starting to like combat blade though i feel mk VI sucks a bit compared to Mk 3
Taxe for Atrox its super fast even if it doesnt hit in a large cleave but the heavy feels ... meh , still need to get my hands on the other Taxe

[bronze glade]

rashad actually hits harder

because it has a finesse stat

[tardy jackal]

ah

[bronze glade]

shivs are personal preference tho mk3 is more horde-clear focused

for knife it's personal pref as well tho technically VI is better for its horde clear combo

[naive imp]

i take mk1 because it feels like sword and dagger from vermintide

[bronze glade]

taxe is mk7 without question due to having the best moveset

[naive imp]

prefer it for dealing with the occasional crusher

[low harbor]

rashad hits a bit harder due to finesse stat (u can see this in my guide)
shiv mk1 heavies are a lot better at picking off elites & specials in melee whereas mk3 needs to do PA + H which is worse single target dps (and if u wanted a high mobility cleave melee, knife VI exists & outclasses mk3 shiv)

knife VI sort of also outclasses mk1 shiv but that's a different conversation

[tardy jackal]

i see i see but whats PA H

[naive imp]

push attack + heavy

[low harbor]

push attack then heavy

[tardy jackal]

i do agree that slam attack from mk 1 is great but i think ill try getting used to mk iv more in that case

i DO NOT like Chaxe

looks sick feels good when im not in anything higher than malice
the buff doesnt last long enough top of that being stuck in that animation is just aids i have to dodge out of it everytime plus swings aint wide enough imo but i can see why people like it

[naive imp]

which chain axe you using?

i run mk 12 on scum, never much liked the other one

[bronze glade]

XII is excellent

nearly rashad level

other is pretty mid

[naive imp]

seriously? always heard the other one was better

but then that was befoer scum i guess

[bronze glade]

that was the case, but mk xii got a glowup

[low harbor]

nah but it is good

[bronze glade]

i'd say it's one tier lower

[flat mist]

Shivs are not personal preference like old mr grumps said. Mk1 is multiple tiers better than mk3

[flat mist]

Its not an A-tier weapon

[worldly girder]

I don't have shiv stats behind the scenes, how good is its ADM and do i have leeway to not get rampage heavy rending subnode?

[livid raven]

very good adm

i wouldn't take it

[worldly girder]

that's a thought

[main trellis]

Requires practice; its not as ez as other weapons but its very potent

[light phoenix]

Hope Scum gets more weapons, I'd like a Crowbar variant

[main trellis]

Arby got none

Scum won’t get any either

Skitarii will share the same fate

[flat mist]

We do have a crowbar variant

[muted pivot]

Particularly excellent if you crit. I'd just pump your crit rate and finesse.

[sour delta]

is crowbar any good?

[muted pivot]

It's one of our worse options, but scum is cracked enough that you can make it shine anyway

[flat mist]

The rending rampage node adds exactly 40% damage for non-crit and 25% on crit against cara

Idk why anyone would say shivs have very good adm and they wouldnt take it

[muted pivot]

Tbh I might have taken that node and forgotten about it

But I'm regularly 2-shotting crushers with shivs idk

I might have been thinking about Rashad

[low harbor]

Rashad can skip rampage heavy atk rending and cleave

Shiv sort of gets value from both

[muted pivot]

But shivs really do have excellent adm - so long as you crit

[low harbor]

I wouldn’t call it excellent

Just workable in the context of rampage + hyperV + hypercrit

U have a lot more leeway than on other classes

Both hyperV and hypercrit are too good

Rampage is obviously too good

[tardy jackal]

I see people mention pumping and dumping stats but I've never seen in the game specifically choosing what stats to boost just general upgrading from hadron

[astral canyon]

Weapon stats are random

[fast surge]

Yeah you can't choose a weapon's stats, you just roll until you get one with the stat spread you want

[muted pivot]

I meant more in terms of talent and stimm choices

Like take chem dependency over adrenaline

Take Precog/Riposte over other blessings

Etc

[tardy jackal]

By roll you mean using the shop and keep buying the same weapon from the mastery thing yea?

[tardy jackal]

Stimms are annoying due to the cool down I just maxed str and did 2 atk spds

[astral canyon]

Sample collector makes stimm cooldown not matter much

[muted pivot]

Sample Collector is great

And you can build 3 stack chem dep easily enough with a full 75s stimm

Take finesse damage strength stimm for shivs

4 stack is harder, doable with good sample Collector use or the crate but otherwise you'd need a half-stimm

[astral canyon]

4 stack isnt really worth the hassle in general

[muted pivot]

But I just use 3 for less stress and talent saving

Scum talents are so loaded we opt out of 5% crit 5% TDR 10% CDR lol

Or whatever each stack is

[astral canyon]

If it was 5 stacks it would actually be worth

But prob also too good idk

[dense hollow]

going from 30% to 40% cdr is less of an increase than 0% to 10%

because diminishing returns

its not terrible when alongside those extra stats but spending a talent point on that is really hard when you got so many insane talents on scum that give more value than it

[livid raven]

Uhh no, I'm pretty sure it's the same

[merry forge]

Mfw someone who got downed and killed twice says they carried me.

In a party where everyone died at least twice.

[muted pivot]

Is 100% doubling the rate or giving you an instant CD?

[fast surge]

Doubling

[rough peak]

it's cd rate, so doubling

[worldly girder]

I'll see what i can sacrifice for it

[rough peak]

Sacrifice your sanity, sanity is overrated

[worldly girder]

I'm unfortunately fresh out
Too many stimms

[rough peak]

https://klipy.com/gifs/damn-314

[slender isle]

Alright I've nearly max levelled my ganger, anyone wanna mention their fave builds? (in terms of fun not necessarily being super OP but thats fine too)

[gray fable]

this with shivs and uzis with reload speed on kill blessing, plus only ability recovery stimm

shooty shooty

not the best at melee tho

[worldly girder]

do you go klay or kalma V

[gray fable]

what or what?

[worldly girder]

which ability recovery stimm capstone do you take? +25% or +75% for 1 second when you kill with ranged

[gray fable]

took 25% to not think about having to kill with exact weapon

[muted pivot]

I'll have to try that stimm. Currently going rending + recoil, but tbh just getting more desperado uptime would do me a lot better

[idle jetty]

no ranged crit hit causing dodging? it literally means that if you are full autoing the uzis against things you literally can't be hit due to their firerate?

[livid raven]

their crit rate is actually dogshit, but yeah i think it should be taken

especially since many talents in that are kinda bad too

like, focused resolve is garbo

[astral canyon]

not really

specially on scum

base 10% crit rate, has +5% crit chance iirc, and vulture makes it so you have 30% crit chance each shot

[livid raven]

if you are not taking it, might aswell not waste your time with vulture

and go for chems

oh wait i misread

don't they have shit crit strings

only one bullet crit and it can't repeat after it crits?

[astral canyon]

i think it just doesnt have crit strings

[livid raven]

and without talking about their garbo finesse of course

[astral canyon]

like it rolls for every individual bullet

[bronze glade]

DAPs? Yeah

[main trellis]

Could be better
No toughness restore on ranged kills on a ranged build is hyper pepega moment ngl

[main trellis]

They may have bad weakspot & crits but make up for it with firerate & raw dmg & utility
Vultures is nice for them cause it increases dmg; crit chance is a bonus & FLaB always gets active together with close range dmg ones cause Desperado auto dodge

[livid raven]

yeah i mean, shit crits but i would still take that

if you do a ranged build i would take vulture and such in any case

[main trellis]

Its nice that despite being a specific archetype you can go full on crits with IAG and be more of a turret or go pure dmg with DAP and be more of a drone

Both kill; both good; both have downsides & upsides; both viable; both fun

As all things should be

[muted pivot]

Yeah you aren't seeking crits on DAPs and you aren't boosting them but you are getting them

[sick ibex]

Yknow what i hope? That the suppression mechanic gets a buff or skiitarii makes it good again

[livid raven]

no way to make supression worth anything i fear

[sick ibex]

it was blocked by the censor unfortunatly

[plain orchid]

rip

[sick ibex]

went with morpheopolitan as a refrence to matrix

[plain orchid]

ah

[low harbor]

“Goon”

[main wagon]

IMO You kinda only need the Vulture keystone

Vulture’s Dodge is just rolling weighted dice and hoping they save you since you’re never technically in control of the crits, plus something like a crusher overhead will still delete you.

Since you become Ranged-proof with Desperado anyways, just literally dodge the 1-2 poxwalkers that get close before you ventilate them and save the free talent point

Take it with a grain of salt bc I say this as someone who exclusively plays DB scum

DAP/IAG felt unethically oppressive to my fellow pubbies so I was never getting use out of Vulture’s dodge anyways lmao

[bronze glade]

It’s so ass playing with most desp scum lol

[magic hare]

am i jus confused on what a trust level is

[full summit]

HI, need some help with a build for melee HS. Like to try shivs as weapon. Nice advice with perks and blessing for shivs , and some general explanation of build because i came back to the game from a 1,5 years break.

[low harbor]

It’s your character’s level

[bronze glade]

Riposte executor

And prob flak unyielding

[magic hare]

why is ts locked the

then

why does it say im lvl 14

[low harbor]

Idk

Report it on FS forums

[magic hare]

nvm it was cause i never set foot in the hub

i have a mod to go to mission board from menu

that's why

[muted pivot]

I prefer Riposte Precognition on shivs, since the crits are crazy strong

If you don't go Desperado, then probably take a Needle Pistol mark 2 to start with since it is busted

[idle jetty]

Well it is technically damage resistance, seemingly random but can assist, when it comes to something like stub it is plenty more random but with a high fire rate weapon like the smgs it is practically gurrentied especially when using a higher crit build, you would have to get astronomically unlucky to have it not proc when you get hit, I think it could also be that i play as mainly ranged hive scum so I always take very minimal melee talents

I use stub and using smgs means you tend to be able to use it less outside of the ranger ability

[livid raven]

you literally can stay in the open and fire on a gunner horde without fearing anything

[idle jetty]

Db? Dap/iag? Acronym idk what dose mean

[livid raven]

double barrel, dual autopistol, infantry autogun

[idle jetty]

Ah okay, I like stub pistols 🙂

Auto pistol is good utterly incredible dps but I find the ammo economy lacking, like to use lots of range even outside range ability. Plus stubs are stylish as fuck, I mean with my spread being the way it is i dont HAVE to use the twirl that much but if it makes me feel cool ill do it XD

[bronze glade]

Make sure you’re taking the pickpocket talent

It gives you unlimited ammo

[gray fable]

do NOT take pickpocket, it is absolute dogshit of a talent

[mighty belfry]

Okay are you trolling?

[gray fable]

no

[mighty belfry]

Like I'm actually seriously asking here.

[gray fable]

"infinite ammo" my ass

[mighty belfry]

But

It is.

[gray fable]

the reward is so little it is not worth it at all

maybe with 2barrel shotgun

but other guns its dogshit

maaaaaybe it might be okaaayish with the longest infantry autogun, but im trying to imagine this gameplay and its so boring

definitely never take this perk with desperado

and it says "killing an ELITE or SPECIAL"

might not be around all the time

alright... they actually are around all the time...

still bad talent

[main wagon]

Bait used to be believable smh

You went on for too long, it was almost perfect

[gray fable]

im trying to test it in psykanium right now and it is not working for some reason

ammo are not replenishing

[main wagon]

If you’re being 110% deadass right now, I’m going to hold you when I say this with complete seriousness

Skill issue

Dogs, Muties, etc come to you for free every like 12 seconds if you don’t play exclusively in Malice diff

If you can’t land a single melee attack to get a minimum of two magazines back in between spamming your ability to reload completely for free, it’s user error lmao

[gray fable]

"get a minimum of two magazines back" wtf...

[main wagon]

It gives back like two whole mags of autopistol wym?

It’s like ~120 rounds from punching a dog in the nose

[gray fable]

trollink)??

[main wagon]

I think you are, yes

[main wagon]

Yuh huh

[gray fable]

waaaaaait

[main wagon]

What’s 20% of 600

Do math

[gray fable]

just something clicked in my head

[main wagon]

Is it math?

[delicate flume]

You werent under 20% max ammo when you were trying to proc it?

[gray fable]

ammo reserve is what in the pocket

[main wagon]

Jfc

Bruh

[gray fable]

fuckin hel

[novel oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/calm-gif-8293915206003753096

[gray fable]

HAHAHAHAHA

[main wagon]

You are giving yourself a brain aneurism for nothing lol

[gray fable]

https://tenor.com/view/higuruma-hiromi-higuruma-jujutsu-kaisen-jujutsu-kaisen-meme-jjk-memes-gif-10370496866020481076

[delicate flume]

I was thinking it when you said it wasnt working in the psykanium

[main wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/john-krasinski-jim-the-office-office-gif-15508780473272374119

[gray fable]

lmao i thought "mag" not the other thing

https://tenor.com/view/clown-gif-25799821

[bronze glade]

Anyway it’s op and if you want to shoot a lot there’s no reason not to take it

[main wagon]

Tbh I still think Vulture’s Dodge is a bit of a waste but I’d like to think everyone’s build has at least one “fuck you im taking this” talent

Zealot has Thy Farts Be Swift

Arby has the tox gas sniffing talent

I think respirator users would sooner actually die than give up that 75% corruption resist

[novel oracle]

thats how it used to work in the media build right before launch

except it was 20% of a mags worth of ammo IN your reserves

so yes it was functionally useless

[bronze glade]

Should’ve kept it that way

[gray fable]

why are people so upset with its change then?

[delicate flume]

went from super duper OP(when it was any kill while under 20% max ammo iirc) to godforbidyoudosomethingslightlydifferentthanshootingforonce but still very good

[bronze glade]

It was op and it’s still op

Nothing changed

Besides needing 5 percent more effort

To maintain the strongest buff in the game

[main wagon]

Recently it got another change. It used to work like this

So you never had to stop shooting

Now you have to press Q and slap a dog once in a blue moon if you're REALLY just going full dakka without your ability up

You got a bunch of crybabies on the forums going "THIS ISNT WHAT I PAID FOR AAAAAAAA"

It's become a weirdly common thing to hear. I remember when Arby cape got the ugly ass precinct number pasted on it like a sports jersey, that was exactly what folks said

A finger curled on the monkey's paw as when it was finally removed, since it also removed precinct numbers from the deluxe chestpiece/boots because, "It's not what you paid for :)"

[smoky gazelle]

anyone got a cool desperado double barrel shotgun build

[mighty belfry]

So you were trolling.

Trolling yourself I mean

[smoky gazelle]

i want to feel like the doomslayer

[gray fable]

i shitted myself so bad

[mighty belfry]

Highkey. I think Stimm Crate is better with Double Barrel

[smoky gazelle]

really??!

what with

[mighty belfry]

Because Desperado's bonuses don't do that much for double barrel particularly.

Other than the speed and ranged immunity I suppose but Desperado also has a lot of downtime comparatively and it just works better with ranged options that are a lot more sustainable in their dps

[plain orchid]

db suffers from the slow reload syndrome

[mighty belfry]

Stimm crate however

You have the stimm node that gives you a huge reload speed increase and also the one that gives you 15% crit for manstopper abuse

And double barrel can do so much collateral that it's not hard at all to get your crate back really fast even without toxin

[smoky gazelle]

reflex and wildfire??

or the vultoprene

[mighty belfry]

Vultoprene I'm pretty sure

Wildfire is finesse I think

[main wagon]

Grabbing my scum setup rq

[mighty belfry]

Helps but won't do that much for DB

[main wagon]

Dont listen to the haters

Both barrels go BOOM (plus one more)

[plain orchid]

i aint hating the db i just use it on my melee build for pesky ranged enemies i cant rip the head off of

[smoky gazelle]

Sounds very fun

[plain orchid]

though i fully admit i prefer the combat shotgun 😔

[main wagon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a1e41639-5c6d-413e-9245-833215c06ecf/boom-boom-pow

I have admittedly not made any changes since we lost a rocket

But the rocket is just kind of an "oh shit we're pushed in the corner" reset tool so I mean, not too much changes

It's really fun to fire 3 barrels, pop Desperado, then fire 3 more without reloading

6 shooter double barrel

[smoky gazelle]

sounds like a lot of fun i will give it a go, thank you

[flat lotus]

I've never really built with it but I honestly feel like the double barrel could be better with supply

But build what you like

[mighty belfry]

I love the DB though

[flat lotus]

The important thing is to have Ammo Jack

[main wagon]

Triple Barrel is most likely statistically better with Crate like you said

[flat lotus]

Yeah I feel like DB is just too slow for Desperado

[main wagon]

But my selfish ass could never, so more dakka

Speedloader up at the top and swapping Deathspitter to Speedload actually makes it a beast, but it's kind of overkill bc the DB reload isnt too horrific to begin with

[idle jetty]

Pick pocket is alright, good backup in case you do run out of ammo. I think people got salty it got nerfed,

[gray fable]

yeah i just learned how it works, it is not bad, sorry

[idle jetty]

All good, lots of talents are noice, i can't stop playing gun hive scum is so fun

[plain orchid]

Quick question, are dual stubs better than the revolver?

Specifically for a melee build

Not gun

[bronze glade]

dual stubs are pretty meh

[main wagon]

Revolver is kinda nasty, I wouldn't say so

Stubs are neat for the animations, and have oddly remarkable cleave...however they're still kinda just okay

[plain orchid]

👍 just wanted to make sure I wasn't using revo when I could be using a potentially lot better gun

[main wagon]

Scum can actually turn the revolver into a six shooter with ammo jack lmao

Go full cowboy!

[plain orchid]

It's big iron time

[tardy jackal]

shiv mk1 500 80/80 dmg 80/80 mobility 80/80 finesse 68/68 first targ 72/72 pen 15 sprint eff 25 dmg unyielding lv3 executor and lvl3 precog good or should i roll for a new one?

really wish i could send screenshots

[low harbor]

2 sides to this
there're people mad that it now needs them to melee
and there're also people mad it's not nerfed nearly hard enough

[stark vine]

Is hyper volience any good? It seems like with a 1 second duration even if it did last a while it'd be useless against anything but chaff.

[drifting heron]

extremely

[tardy jackal]

my only issue is if im a gun build im putting points into GUNS not melee and the fact it specifies YOU have to kill the elite or special with a MELEE when im not building for melee with a competent team .... the likely hood of that happening is low unless your by yourself at least for me

[tardy jackal]

i think this is good but i wouldnt know

[near mauve]

You don't need to build into melee to kill the occasional elite with your shivs lol

They really should have nerfed it more damn

[unreal stirrup]

bro be complaining about pretty much non conditional infinite ammo

[stark vine]

Pickpocket would be ungodly OP if it worked on range.

Even with a gunbuild it's not that hard to get a single special kill with melee.

You also have desperado for unlimited ammo.

[tardy jackal]

OH NO i wasnt saying it should work for ranged i was just saying they should have nerfed it differently
i whole heartedly understand why it was nerfed let me be clear about that
and yes thats true about desperados ammo

[low harbor]

I mean I personally wouldn't mind it much if u could activate it from ranged kills but had massive internal cooldown (60s minimum, maybe even 90s)

the current melee kill condition is still too easy

[brittle sierra]

How about we just get rid of the talent all together and give it to Ogryn

[verbal dew]

too large hands for pickpocketing, needs a talent rename first

[limber cradle]

"Mugging"

[crude robin]

im confused with hyper violence or wahtever its called

[woeful hill]

there is 2 hyper

critical and violence

kuli is the best way to understand them

[tardy jackal]

id prefer that as well tbh

that way its easier to use as a gun focused build Melee utilizes needle gun so melee will also be able to use it too

[light phoenix]

What bothers me is that there is no visual difference between both Needle Pistol marks

[manic wolf]

Needler is the least satisfying weapon in the game anyway

[light phoenix]

And hilariously one of the most effective

[manic wolf]

Yeah, its giga-strong, but its so fuckin boring

"Click" and stuff falls over. No bang, no fanfare, no heretic soup.

Weaksauce weapon design

[light phoenix]

Imagine if they leave a toxin pool that hurts enemies, give them a taste of their own medicine in havoc

[zinc dirge]

guys, is there some general unwritten rule on which lvl and item power belongs in which difficulty bucket?

[light phoenix]

I'd like to believe no, as long as you understand your weapon and its contribution to the team

[open quail]

whats needler explosive toxin like

is it better than normal toxin

what does it do

[worldly girder]

direct hits cause a special explosive effect when they die? One staggers in an aoe, the other creates chem toxin

[muted pivot]

Wait the blue modes also splash toxin natively?

Even before the kill?

[astral canyon]

Im pretty sure thats if you hit the floor or a wall

[fluid ether]

might want to update/crop that screenshot because those damage values have been reduced in the meantime

[astral canyon]

True

I just took it from the pinned message

[rancid coral]

Hyper violence increases the damage of your next attacks for 1s based on overkill damage

So if your initial attack did 200 dmg and the enemy only had 100 hp

25% of the overkill damage becomes a damage bonus

In this case, the overkill damage is a 100 (200 - 100), and the hyper violence bonus is 25 (100 x 0.25)

Which means your next attack will deal 225 damage instead of 200

It stacks with itself, meaning it can skyrocket in damage especially on hordes

Very OP talent and needs to be nerfed

[limber cradle]

Me when I light swing my goofy little knife at a horde then one shot a PlOgryn

[rancid coral]

I know there's a clip of someone 3 light attacking a pogryn

[limber cradle]

I've accidentally one shot bosses with it before tbh

I expected to do big damage then it just nuked em

[livid raven]

it's even better than it sounds because it applies uniformally to all cleaved targets

and ignores cleave distribution

[light phoenix]

How is Adrenaline Frenzy now? Viable?

[limber cradle]

Always was, just depends on which weapon you like

[light phoenix]

Bonesaw?

[gray fable]

always has been

[gray fable]

mid weapon

[limber cradle]

Tbh I have no idea for saw cause I do not run it

[bronze glade]

it was never not good lol...

[light phoenix]

Thats what I heard when Scum first came out...

[bronze glade]

adren frenzy has been good since literally day 1

[astral canyon]

then youve been hearing bullshit

[light phoenix]

I see, thanks

[astral canyon]

the only thing i dislike about adrenaline is that 4/5 subnodes are just improving uptime

only one of them gives an extra effect with the toughness regen

[light phoenix]

Fair, appreciate the constructive info

[muted pivot]

A lot of melees prefer chem dep

Since a lot of our best weapons have disgusting finesse ratios so want the crit rare

Rate

But on a Rashad or a Heavy Sword for example you want adrenaline

Same with crowbar iirc

I have been using bonesaw with chem dep but can probably use it with either

(actually my Rashad uses vulture, because it's my Desperado build lol)

[light phoenix]

Ooo thanks, that is wayyy helpful

[bronze glade]

nah honestly dep is overrated for a lot of melees

[limber cradle]

I like dep with like

[bronze glade]

esp since bottom right pathing is not good

[limber cradle]

Shivs, Knife, TAxe

Knife is by far my favorite on scum

[bronze glade]

you use mk6 i assume?

[limber cradle]

Either or

6 is easier

3 is more fun

[bronze glade]

mk3 would need adren imo

need to test knife

[limber cradle]

I do not find it needs it

I can try it out sometime

[bronze glade]

well the horde clear is much more reliant on lights

which scales better off attack speed maxxing

[limber cradle]

Tbh man

When I press ramp and stimm I can get away with light spamming either of them

Up to and including into ragers and maulers cause haha funny hyper violence

[bronze glade]

truly a hiv moment

[limber cradle]

Genuinely yeah

[crude robin]

i love daggers

[unreal stirrup]

crunchy ass audio

[crude robin]

sorry this was recorded off the Morningstar mission feed

[stark vine]

IS heavy sword good on hive scum? I've been using it and even on Auric its putting good work. Is that the weapon or just me being good with it?

[bronze glade]

Yeah it’s good

[stark vine]

I noticed Hive Scum has a lot of buffs to raw damage and cleaves which both pair very well with heavy sword.

[bronze glade]

HIV makes any weapon good

[limber cradle]

Hive Scum makes every weapon they have viable and HSword is good on hive scum

[mighty belfry]

Yeah.

[stark vine]

Only thing it doesn't do good at is killing crushers BUT every meta build tends to focus crushers/maulers hard so meh. It also can still kill them, just not as fast as some of the other options but the horde clear is amazing.

[mighty belfry]

It also fixes its issue with armor with heavy rending node as well as toxin crits

[limber cradle]

I mean just HViolence once shot them tbf

[stark vine]

IF you choose hyper violence the game knows and spaces out enemies so you can't get to them wtihin a second.

True fact.

[mighty belfry]

Well that sounds like someone needs to play Havoc

[stark vine]

I should tbh. I am still learning scum a bit though.

[mighty belfry]

Scum in Auric just isn't as satisfying imho

[limber cradle]

Scum is

Too powerful for auric imo

[stark vine]

Scum has taught me how to dodge.

[limber cradle]

Kinda

Scum has given you viciously op dodges you like using more

It's fucking you up for the other classes tho lol

[mighty belfry]

Yeah I wouldn't say you're "learning" with scum lmao

[stark vine]

ALl my previous builds were 1. Hit the enemy before they hit you. 2. Defend via crowd control. 3. Don't let the enemy hit me at all.
So I never bothered with the other classes aside from obvious shits like crushers/ragers.

[mighty belfry]

If anything i insist you understand no other class can dodge like scum can.

[limber cradle]

Arb?

[stark vine]

Arb I tended to do block/stagger for defense.

I found out you can carry most teams, even trash ones to victory with arb if you just stunlock the enemy.

[mighty belfry]

Well tbf

[muted pivot]

Psyker a bit

[mighty belfry]

Arbitrator does have worse dodges than zealot, vet and scum baseline for human classes

[mighty belfry]

Only frames. No speed up or distance increase.

[stark vine]

Arbitor also has a fuck-ton of bonuses to stagger and what-not. It's very easy to make a 'no dodge' build with arby that focuses on counter-attacks.

[limber cradle]

Scum dodges are on an entirely separate level

Especially if you lean into it

[muted pivot]

Also auto dodge via EE

Which might not count gameplay-wise so much I guess

[mighty belfry]

I don't think EE can really be applicable here tho

[stark vine]

Actually I did dodge a lot when playing Martyr zealot but it's been a while. Been maining arbitor, scum, and vet lately.

[muted pivot]

It's more like immunity since you don't have to actually dodge and oh wait Scum can do that too with Despy or vulture

[limber cradle]

EE is more like VD tbh

Yeah

[mighty belfry]

You should try IJ zealot.

Damage isn't too much worse than Martyrdom at the best of times and you do get dodge buffs

[muted pivot]

Zealot has a great relationship with dodge too

[mighty belfry]

Now if Fatshark would actually fucking mention those buffs in the descriptions.

[muted pivot]

I mean most classes get some buff from it for dodging

But second wind is particularly nice

[stark vine]

I wish Ogyrn would get a buff. I feel like arbites stole their job.

I still think Ogyrn should be immune to chip damage. That one change would fix 90% of their problems.

[mighty belfry]

Ogryn can be far stronger than Arbitrator tbh

[muted pivot]

Ogryn is a bit better at killing stuff generally

[stark vine]

Yes but it's a lot harder.

[mighty belfry]

It's not that Ogryn isn't strong. It's that their options are limited

[stark vine]

I suck at Ogyn tbh.

[astral canyon]

fym chip damage

[main trellis]

Chimp damage

[stark vine]

I could never quite get the hang of their playstyle and also I hated how often I'd be forced to snipe gunners with a kickback while my vet sits on his ass.

[mighty belfry]

PBB

Twin linked stubber

There.

Have fun.

[stark vine]

I think Ogyrn's should be immune to Dorito throwing stars.

[main trellis]

Vet issue then; gj with kekback tho

[mighty belfry]

You now have unironically one of the most busted builds in the entire game

[main trellis]

cough Rampage Shivs cough

[stark vine]

I stoppled plasma gunning with vet and switched to Hellbore when I realized how many players suck at dealing with ranged. THey'll get shot at by like 10 gunners and be confused why they died.

[limber cradle]

Rampage shivs isn't even as good as rampage knife

[mighty belfry]

Ngl yeah that's busted

But PBB twink

Is disgusting.

[stark vine]

So, being able to focus down ranged motherfuckers is often the key to letting a 'okay' team not get fucked.

[mighty belfry]

I played with one yesterday and good lord

It's actually bonkers how much damage it does

[main trellis]

Underrated; i played it yesterday
Soo many kills (and i was not using fire)

[limber cradle]

No every Ogryn build bad Ogryn bad class

FS buff more

[main trellis]

Oh when?

[stark vine]

We still have people that legit believe if you don't bring plasma+leadership melee vet build as vet that you're throwing.

[main trellis]

I doubt it was me

[mighty belfry]

Pretty sure it wasn't

But yeah they were pulling weight

Issue is

The servers

Yeah I got instantly shot by like

4 trappers over the course of that night

Rubberbanding and all too

And we were all feeling it

[limber cradle]

I got hit by so many trappers yesterday

[mighty belfry]

Me too

[astral canyon]

not enough

[mighty belfry]

And I felt it was off too

Like it was happening far more than I'm used to

And then I saw one climb, instantly go into shoot animation and fire in the same frame

[limber cradle]

I hope the next time you fly on the plane there is an infant in front of and behind you.

[astral canyon]

double it and give it to the next person

[limber cradle]

Trappers, one of the most consistent enemies DT has

[mighty belfry]

Honestly it doesn't help

That there's clearly just

More of them too.

[limber cradle]

Yk what I've really noticed more of now that Crushers aren't spawned as much?

[mighty belfry]

I had four trappers try to get me back to back and the only reason the last one got me is cuz a burster threw itself at me and it caught me in midair

[limber cradle]

I feel like there's 1.5x as many bulwarks now

[mighty belfry]

Yep.

I'm seeing entire platoons of them

Like the surges you get for moving back too far

[bronze glade]

i preferred the old crusher spawns

gonna be real

at least crushers are fun to fight

[mighty belfry]

Except they're just spawning naturally

[limber cradle]

I'm gonna be real it wasn't

Crusher spawns

It was constant rot armor spam lol

[bronze glade]

idk about haboc

havoc

[limber cradle]

Now there's no rot nor crushers

[bronze glade]

but i think they overdid the crusher spawn nerf lol

in auric/am

[limber cradle]

I think the crusher spawn nerf is simply exacerbating other issues

Lotta bombers lately too

[mighty belfry]

I didn't.

But I also don't prefer how severely increased the density is in compensation to their loss cuz AI director-chan misses their crushers so much

[bronze glade]

well old spawns was prob too crusher heavy

but now i don't think they went too hard in the other direction

[mighty belfry]

I don't even think FS knew the spawns would get so bad after the nerf

Since they've been leaning on crusher spam for so long

[bronze glade]

the spawn changes didn't sound that bad in the patchnotes

but now it feels like crushers are an endangered species

and we're killing off the last crushers in tertium 😭

[muted pivot]

I guess they didn't increase the cost for crushers, they just implemented a probability nerf on them

[limber cradle]

Tbf how much fuckin carapace did the moebians have to go around

[muted pivot]

So those credits get spent on much worse shite

[main wagon]

When two teammates are down beside each other and you hear, ”GRENAAAAAAAADE!”

[craggy stream]

What hivescum builds do y'all like?

[gray fable]

full desperado

BRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[bronze glade]

usually rampage-based ones

[frozen patio]

I tried melee build but I hate it

[bronze glade]

i'm here to play darktide, not payday

[frozen patio]

I’ll try it with crowbar

[bronze glade]

yeah that's prob why you hate it

[muted pivot]

I like tac axe and shivs on rampage with a needler, or Rashad and DAPs on despy

[crude robin]

i eat bosses

[gentle hearth]

i prob asked this before but does pickpocket proc that aura that gives ammo to team?

[verbal dew]

no

it's not a pickup

[north saddle]

Hivescum i played today with absolutely tore ass today with the tac axe. Didnt know the heavies could hit that hard

[supple crest]

not very familiar with our fav junky yet

what weapon is good with clearing hoards, prefer a faster one tbh

[bronze glade]

shivs are a common choice

knife

caxe/taxe

[supple crest]

ok

[mighty belfry]

Devil's Claw

[twilit canyon]

thoughts on booby trap and fast acting stimms?

[bronze glade]

ok and basically mandatory

[twilit canyon]

both?

[bronze glade]

respectively

[twilit canyon]

ah i see

[bronze glade]

i.e. booby trap is ok

fastt acting basically mandatory

[twilit canyon]

and is this a good stimm for fast acting?

[mighty belfry]

If the node to the far left wasn't bugged, it would be yeah

[twilit canyon]

this is bugged?

oh you swapped to left

i see

[stone fractal]

man this event is so fun. once fully buffed from all the shrines crowbar goes brrrrr

[flat mist]

No

You should NEVER run the stun immunity stimm node

Because it literally just doesnt work

[low harbor]

If u take speed stim there’re 2 ways to go

If u run needle pistol, use reload speed

If not, use move speed

[flat mist]

Tons of weapons benefit from the reduced recoil and faster reload

[mighty belfry]

Ngl I do disagree with this

Reload speed is absolutely useful with quite a bit of Scum's arsenal.

Recoil, maybe less so but helps.

[flat mist]

@mighty belfry purple name = pay pig, right?

[low harbor]

I think it’s just needle pistol tbh

I wouldn’t even go speed route for gun build in the first place

[mighty belfry]

[low harbor]

Also I finished all weapon section overhauls in guide

[mighty belfry]

double barrel? combat shotguns? revolver? like I know they aren't the typical choices but they do exist.

[flat mist]

Ima take that as a yes

[mighty belfry]

I don't care for the term.

[low harbor]

I would consider the close kill reload speed talent and that’s it

[mighty belfry]

you're missing out.

[flat mist]

Ok how about benevolent benefactor?

[mighty belfry]

Better.

If not a little patronizing.

[flat mist]

Thats not patronising!

[low harbor]

what for

[mighty belfry]

I'm being facetious.

[flat mist]

Other than literally being a patron

Ohhh

I like it

[mighty belfry]

Cuz maxed double barrel reload speed on scum is kinda funny

And actually really good.

Also the recoil decrease actually helps quite a lot with it too.

[main trellis]

I use reload for shotty; its just enough to be good

[main trellis]

I have a better one
Whale

[lunar quarry]

So I've heard that vraks 5 infantry autogun is the best desperado gun.
Question is, what makes it better than dual autopistols? To me it seems like the same thing but with way less damage (and you probably run slower too)

Is it dumdum or something

[alpine hedge]

If only we could get Necromunda cosmetics for this clase

Imagine Van Saar stuff

[livid raven]

incredibly high finesse

the blessings are pretty similar

but the absurd finesse and unyelding damage means vraks can destroy hordes and bosses

dual autopistol is pretty mediocre against bosses and has worse crits

and much worse accuracy

[lunar quarry]

Appreciate the explanation

[limber cradle]

Yeah, DAPs selling point is mobility

Vraks does more damage more accurately

DAPs move more fluidly much more quickly

[main trellis]

I dunno about that one chief (wish i could put a clip here but i’m not home yet…)

[livid raven]

i mean, in comparison

[main trellis]

Yeah; in comparrison

@lunar quarry 👆

[limber cradle]

Ime it's personal preference

I understand why people use either

[bronze glade]

vraks has higher damage potential, DAPs is easier to use

[limber cradle]

Idk about that tbh

Vraks is just a gun

[trim wind]

daps are cooler vibes

[limber cradle]

You use it like every other gun

If you can hit the head you can use vraks

[bronze glade]

well vraks rewards aiming

DAPs not really lol

[limber cradle]

DAPs require a different skill set

Movement and positioning

Which I think it's harder to grasp than aim

[bronze glade]

vraks even moreso lol

DAPs are more mobile than vraks already

[limber cradle]

Yeah but you're forced to leverage that mobility

Vraks just kinda works at whatever range you put it at

[bronze glade]

not really

DAPs and vraks have similar damage output

against most enemies

[livid raven]

the opposite imo

[bronze glade]

it's not like vraks is overwhelmingly higher dps

[livid raven]

vraks needs you to get positioning

because you have 3 dodges

[bronze glade]

vraks also requires ADS to make the most of its damage output

[gray fable]

DAP is better cause they look cooler

[bronze glade]

which further hinders your mobility

[limber cradle]

Man

If having to ADS with a gun is a dealbreaker for you I'm not sure what to tell you lol

[bronze glade]

so you can't just dance around like you can with DAPs unless you take a loss to your dps

[limber cradle]

That's like

[bronze glade]

can you read?

[limber cradle]

Using a gun in a fps game lol

[livid raven]

i mean, it's a point against it

[bronze glade]

that's not what i'm saying

literally just making shit up 💀

[limber cradle]

Why are you being a cunt

[livid raven]

you have to use ads for better damage, that means your positioning must be good

i mean he is right tho

you just made a strawman

[bronze glade]

says the guy who makes shit up about what the other person is saying

[limber cradle]

I'm sorry but if adsing is a point against a gun in a modern fps game idk what to tell you

[bronze glade]

nobody said that

[livid raven]

you really have to improve that reading comprehension

[bronze glade]

there's nothing wrong with ADSing

[limber cradle]

"vraks requires you to aim to get the most out of its damage"

[bronze glade]

but it's just a fact that it reduces your mobility

[limber cradle]

Most guns do

[livid raven]

yes

the dap ddoesn't

[limber cradle]

That's just

[bronze glade]

correct

[livid raven]

do you get it now

[limber cradle]

I did to begin with

[bronze glade]

it's a statement of fact

[limber cradle]

That's imo a selling point for it

Vraks works better at more ranges

[bronze glade]

and it's not saying that the vraks is bad as a result

[livid raven]

no, it's a tradeoff

[near mauve]

Craziest debate of all tymes

[limber cradle]

I agree

Especially cause I said the guns come down to personal preference lol

[near mauve]

Both Don't have the same aura as max Payne pistols sadly

[limber cradle]

.45s for life

[livid raven]

both can actually kill enemies instead

[near mauve]

I love my spinarooni gun

[near mauve]

Tap heads

[limber cradle]

Yeah

.45s work for me

[livid raven]

so called tap heads when tiny magazine

[bronze glade]

stubs too busy aura farming to be actually good

[limber cradle]

Aim

Idk man

[near mauve]

Stubs are good

[limber cradle]

You can spin them to make them pinpoint accurate too

[livid raven]

i think they are pretty funny

worst of vraks and worst of dap

all in one

[near mauve]

Genuinely effective side arm for a melee build

[limber cradle]

I wish they got run and gun by default I'm ngl