lol coming from zealot
#hivescum-class
dense hollow
zealot's corruption cleanse is an aura yeah
gentle hearth
is ramping backstabs good at all?
the one that stacks melee strength with consecutive backstabs
also, do i take every node on rampage
astral canyon
is ramping backstabs good at all?
no
astral canyon
also, do i take every node on rampage
rending node depends on weapon
but the other three are really good
gentle hearth
can someone send me a pic of what is good for bottom middle tree
like what is must take and what is just passable and garbage
astral canyon
hive city brawler, punching above one's weight and street tough are all extremely powerful
hyperviolence too but its a bit more dependent on weapon
some melees cant ramp it up as quickly (eg crowbar and bonesaw)
gray fable
(nobody knows how it works but its still good)
gentle hearth
are adrenaline assassin or smiter any good? they look kinda buns
astral canyon
smiter is good
dense hollow
i think most adrenaline builds take smiter
because it's active immediately in any difficulty above heresy
gentle hearth
killing blows? it does make sense...
astral canyon
its only issue is if you end up in a 1v1 against a monstrosity
gentle hearth
true...
gray fable
not a problem anyway
dense hollow
not having adrenaline active vs monstrosities is whatever
if theres no trash to kill around the monstrosity then it wasnt going to be a problem to begin with
gentle hearth
true if you have rampage or stimm anyway you prolly fuck em up anyway
astral canyon
if theres no trash to kill around the monstrosity then it wasnt going to be a pr...
doesnt even need to be trash
only 2 elite kills are needed to proc it
gentle hearth
battering strikes? kills increase kleave
astral canyon
its good
gentle hearth
two random ragers just give you the adrenaline
its 30 tho 2 kills give 20
gentle hearth
swift endurance? on the left side that increases melee speed per stam
like very left
astral canyon
also very good
dense hollow
swift endurance is universal on every build
gentle hearth
pick pocket and hyper crit?
gentle hearth
pick pocket is for ranged builds
i mean it's unlimited ammo tho is it not anyway
dense hollow
pickpocket gives you infinite ammo
gentle hearth
hypercrit is good unless youre running blinders
blinders?
dense hollow
but you dont need infinite ammo on a melee build
gentle hearth
does scum not balance as well as other classes
astral canyon
wdym
gray fable
glass cannon
astral canyon
glass cannon
lol
dense hollow
hive scum lost its glass cannon allegations a long time ago
gentle hearth
like would you not be balancing ranged and melee enough that you would still use the ammo?
stone fractal
what blessings do people like on crowbar? bash and take a swing look like they go well together
astral canyon
like would you not be balancing ranged and melee enough that you would still use...
vet is the only one where you really do that
gentle hearth
would you never use enough ammo to justify taking pickpocket?
dense hollow
you're only going to use enough ammo to justify pickpocket if you shoot everything
pick one playstyle or the other
hive scum has infinite ammo so he can use ranged forever
gray fable
what blessings do people like on crowbar? bash and take a swing look like they g...
can opener + strength on elite kill
dense hollow
hive scum has the most broken melee ability in the game so he can rely on that
gentle hearth
oh fuck he doesn't even have the problem of gunners cuz of his stupid fucking dodge
dense hollow
desperado gives you ranged immunity
stone fractal
can opener + strength on elite kill
Is brittleness that important on crowbar?
gentle hearth
im taking rampage tho
dense hollow
if you're taking rampage then you're only using your gun for killing specials and maybe the odd gunner or two
gentle hearth
Is brittleness that important on crowbar?
brittleness is always good ngl
astral canyon
your ranged on scum is pretty much just to deal with gunners or other ranged threats
gentle hearth
if you're taking rampage then you're only using your gun for killing specials an...
ok but what if i'm on havoc where ammo is gone like it's just fucking evaporated
stone fractal
brittleness is always good ngl
i don't disagree - benefits the whole team. i'm more thinking of hitting breakpoints on scab ragers / maulers, etc
gray fable
Is brittleness that important on crowbar?
i take it against crushers
astral canyon
for most weapons you really dont need pickpocket if youre going melee
stone fractal
i'm pretty always pushing every few swings, so i figured having the crit + weakspot damage virtually always up would be nice
dense hollow
ok but what if i'm on havoc where ammo is gone like it's just fucking evaporated
you can take pickpocket but learning how to manage your ammo better will make you a better player
gray fable
maybe 25% rending against staggered is also good
dense hollow
even in havoc 40 people can run bistol without pickpocket and feel okay
astral canyon
its already second place
dense hollow
they made humble weapons to give the hive scum like the bone saw and crowbar just to give rashad and combat knife to the same class
astral canyon
i dont think its going to dethrone psyker tho 
floral wedge
What blessings do I use on shivs?
I'm using the bleed stacks on crit and extra damage on bleeding enemies at the moment
gray fable
i even forgor there are bleed blessings on shivs lol
astral canyon
riposte+executor/precog
gentle hearth
what do i take on stimm for a melee rampage build tho, i was thinking full wildfire and spur tree + ferver
astral canyon
bleed blessings arent really good on shivs
floral wedge
i even forgor there are bleed blessings on shivs lol
There's two but the bleed stacks on non weak spot hits seems like poop
dense hollow
yeah the bleed blessings are kinda ass on shivs
they have a lot of frontloaded damage so just focusing on that will kill every enemy instantly
gray fable
There's two but the bleed stacks on non weak spot hits seems like poop
dont use bleed on shivs
floral wedge
Not even for the extra damage on bleeding enemies blessing?
gray fable
nothing
floral wedge
it's something like 60% damage on tier 4
dense hollow
no because you have to sacrifice another blessing for it
when you can run precog & riposte for something that works immediately on your first hit
dense hollow
is a tertium welcome (very top right of tree good?)
people tend to just take both tertium welcome and burst of energy
astral canyon
take both
gentle hearth
is jittery good? 40% more dodge cooldown with more stam
astral canyon
kinda
but really not needed
all you need is wait 0.85s to regain all your dodges
dense hollow
i'd take nimble over jittery
but you don't really need it either if you're already good at dodging with other classes
plain oxide
What is this dude doing
patent bone
What is this dude doing
Ascending
mental igloo
channeling tha warp
flat mist
or is burst of energy better
Since you've only had people reply saying take both (which you simply cant always afford to do so its a shit answer). Burst of energy is way better. You always take it on every build, zero exceptions. Welcome to tertium is optional even on melee builds.
astral canyon
tertium welcome is just free melee damage
flat mist
tertium welcome is just free melee damage
True and completely irrelevant to the nuances of the situation
gentle hearth
For melee build I’ll prob grab both if I go ranger it’s good to know 👍
astral canyon
no sweet spot?
flat mist
Theres also the nuance that if you free'd up two points for pure damage you take the sweet spot and channelled devastation every time
flat mist
no sweet spot?
If there was 32 points, sure
Sweet spot is worse than tertium which is worse than channelled
astral canyon
idk about that
flat mist
Its objectively true
astral canyon
with how much finesse the knives have
flat mist
Its never over about a 19% increase
That increase gets lower if you have precog or stimm
And its then subject to your weakspot rate
Its so much worse than tertium/channelled
astral canyon
how much finesse does shivs have?
flat mist
About 4x
leaden fable
What is this dude doing
If my legs were stuck in a bench I'd just meditate too I guess
astral canyon
how is it worse
flat mist
Not it isnt worth it
plain oxide
If my legs were stuck in a bench I'd just meditate too I guess
https://tenor.com/view/standing-on-top-enlightened-enlightenment-windy-wind-gif-18416422945658579589
astral canyon
+25% weakspot damage on something with 4x finesse would be making the damage go up to 4.75x effectively right?
thats more than +15% damage
and it also goes on a separate bracket
flat mist
Ok remember when i said its about 19%?
And then how i said that number goes down with precog/stim?
And then remember how your weakspot rate is 40-50%?
astral canyon
And then how i said that number goes down with precog/stim?
i mean the same is true about any other +damage increase for tertium welcome and channeled
mighty belfry
Sweet Spot is technically a bigger buff for shiv numerically but in practicality, you're benefitting from it less
flat mist
astral canyon
also tbh i just take all three of them on my setup
mighty belfry
Solely because it's tied to weakspot hits
It's nice if you have a build that fits it but I wouldn't call it a priority node by any means
flat mist
The percentages in brackets are the increases from the talents im testing here
flat mist
So 10-18% increase from sweetspot against crushers depending on other buffs
mighty belfry
I'd actually run Sweet Spot
Because the attack angles are pretty good at lining up headshots which does help fuel HV in its wide vanguard swipes
As well as the PA being a really straight forward stab
rotund agate
Btw, I just now learned about the specific value for cleave cap on mk4 chaxe (thanks to Higui for explaining it in vet chat), and I think I’m gonna swap to the mk12 on my melee scum build… (I wanna use the chaxe because ”Hehe Borderlands 40K cosplay funni”)
flat lotus
i dont use sweet spot for mk1 but it may be good idk
i dont know the numbers i just go by feel
i use this for mk1 shivs :)
mighty belfry
Btw, I just now learned about the specific value for cleave cap on mk4 chaxe (th...
You don't have to care about cleave cap as much on this class
Because of Hyperviolence
flat lotus
i use this for mk1 shivs :)
ah while im here
what stimm lab setup would u all suggest for rampage shivs
i use all wildfire right now
mighty belfry
Finesse stimm
Don't even think you need anything else
That one branch is enough to make your damage explode
flat lotus
its true
mighty belfry
Yeah you really don't need anything else lol
Maybe if you really want, two nodes in attack speed branch for a lil sauce but
You really are just fine with Wildfire
flat lotus
i also have a rashad adrenaline build and im torn on the stimms for that but i think might just go wildfire on that too
mighty belfry
i also have a rashad adrenaline build and im torn on the stimms for that but i t...
On that I'd actually run attack speed or CDR personally
But that's just me
You already get a 25% damage buff from Adrenaline
And while the extra finesse is nice, it's not as impactful on Rashad.
Especially since you're also just not gonna crit as much either
flat lotus
i kind of hate the needle pistol
pure folio
I struggle with being super fragile on Hive. I'm decent on Auric missions and such, but does anyone have any tips other than dodge better?
bronze glade
wdym dodge better, hiv already has the most generous dodges in the game
you can crabwalk across a map lol
also rampage gives a lot of damage reduction if you don't feel tanky
heady trellis
I struggle with being super fragile on Hive. I'm decent on Auric missions and su...
Depends on the build you run. Toughness stim might be worth a try regardless since it's pretty good now.
pure folio
I try to run an axe murder build, or a fast recharging stimm poison build
If that helps.
bronze glade
if you take rampage and hive tough or whatever that talent name is
that's already a shit ton of tdr
amber sundial
if you take rampage and hive tough or whatever that talent name is
This one?
heady trellis
But yeah hive city brawler is also good for survivability
astral canyon
isn’t it also bad
no lmao
amber sundial
it isn’t?
astral canyon
its insanely strong
astral canyon
staggers everything around you every 8s
amber sundial
its insanely strong
like flat on floor strong?
astral canyon
idk but its a fucking 8s cooldown
bronze glade
talent shouldn't exist
astral canyon
even if its not a full knockdown thats already insane
low harbor
like flat on floor strong?
Block to break rager combo near u every 8s
lol
It’s very op
amber sundial
I see
mighty belfry
street tough is the masters retribution clone
It's so good that I hate it.
Because I personally feel like it's intrusive to my flow in melee because it procs so god damned often
And it procs on blocks too.
Would not surprise me if it saw nerfs in the near future.
flat lotus
i always want to take street tough but i can never find the right talent to drop it for
mighty belfry
I don't play scum for the safety.
I play it when I wanna gamble and take risks 
That being said
It's arguably even better now since the crusher change
Since there's just a lot more of everything else now
Including ragers
Lots and lots of ragers.
flat lotus
i use this for mk1 shivs :)
actually good question
forge's bellow or street tough
because i like the former
but street tough is just kind of
free
mighty belfry
I prefer Forge's
Cuz its shout stagger basically
And will save your ass in a pinch if you're grabbed by bosses or mutants
Or dogs
astral canyon
forge more fun
flat lotus
forge more fun
winning > fun
twilit canyon
was hive scum always able to use bolt pistol?
astral canyon
yes
twilit canyon
uh
vestal pelican
marble seal
winning > fun
astral canyon
thats what i usually do
gentle hearth
Sounds good
cyan herald
does combat ability regen effect the stim?
drifting heron
No
north saddle
It was the mk iv tac axe that had the enhanced carapace dmg on all heavies, right?
flat mist
It was the mk iv tac axe that had the enhanced carapace dmg on all heavies, righ...
Mr E said in a video awhile ago that one of the taxe mks had better cara adms on heavies and its utter bullshit
uncut torrent
Hello fellow scums how does the throw attack work on the shives? I seem to throw all 3 then randomly i have them again and i heard you can change it's effects either having it do poison or bleed how do i do that?
astral canyon
that last bit is bullshit
its always tox
even if you could change it to do bleed it'd be pointless
and you gain throwing knives back from either killing elites/specialists in melee or backstab kills on non-elite/specialist enemies
crushers also give two knives instead of one
marble seal
You can change to bleed if you enter a cheat code on main menu
mighty belfry
was hive scum always able to use bolt pistol?
Yes. Arguably one of scum's best ranged tbh
mighty belfry
Not for raw ranged value
But because of its utility
Specifically the AoE variant
You're literally carrying a temu blackout dispenser essentially
Which can also increase the radius of your actual blackouts
Or rockets
heavy rune
Been trying out Vraks gunscum recently and holy moly
It feels like mowing the lawn
Nothing can stand before me and my trusty autogun 😋
uncut torrent
and you gain throwing knives back from either killing elites/specialists in mele...
Oh i see
vale garden
Is there a good option for carapace on the shooty build
low harbor
Is there a good option for carapace on the shooty build
shivs are pretty simple
vale garden
I should have specified, a good ranged option
It kind of feels like melee has to be the dedicated anti armour option for shooty
Well, if you want to run it well at least
low harbor
I should have specified, a good ranged option
needle pistol lmao
vale garden
oof haha
low harbor
but yea generally melee for carapace
vale garden
ooof i thought maybe the bolt pistol might be good but it is super not
marble seal
I should have specified, a good ranged option
if you have rending stim and rending node active you can shoot crushers and its not a total waste
still slow
you can finish off weakened ones
astral canyon
ooof i thought maybe the bolt pistol might be good but it is super not
No
It really isnt
slow solstice
Hey, what does the purple-mode on the Bonesaw do? I’m thinking it increases crit chance or something?
Also, does anyone have a list of banned words for the character name? I was attempting to rename my character earlier and it kept coming back with the whole “use only alphabetical letters and hyphens”, even though I was using only those. I’m just assuming the name had something wrong with it.
Although curiously, while “Kelly-Chems” kept getting denied, it would take “Kelly-Chemsalot”? So I don’t know.
flat lotus
Which can also increase the radius of your actual blackouts
It can?
How does that work
astral canyon
Hey, what does the purple-mode on the Bonesaw do? I’m thinking it increases crit...
Brittleness instead of tox
mighty belfry
Bistol with toxin sand goes hard
flat lotus
Lethal proximity.
I forgot that Lethal Proximity also counts for blitz radius for some reason.
limber cradle
This is my rocket launchers emotional support bistol
nimble lotus
is there a bug where we have 5 talent points we cant huse?
bronze glade
doesn't sound right
nimble lotus
Might be visual, just got back on but ye
lets you assign but then after, just removes
limber cradle
Close and reopen the menu
nimble lotus
i did, still there
limber cradle
Whack, normally that fixes it
nimble lotus
i figured it out, for some reason, it was treating me as if i had 0 pages of talent, i added an extra one and they all appeared
weird
lol
gentle hearth
skum bluds
if i have the left most aura, and i have pickpocket does it give my team inf ammo?
stark vine
How do I crowbar?
unreal stirrup
you pick a good weapon
neat delta
How do I crowbar?
m1 till you make it
split halo
i wish DLC classes could get cosmetics too
worn canopy
Even crusher special attack
I wish ogryn get lethal prox so i can use paul bigger explosion
lone narwhal
i wish DLC classes could get cosmetics too
to be fair, deluxe edition skins go very very well with the tread lightlies drip
tranquil fjord
best we can do is blue or red or redder red
gentle axle
what stim effects pair well with the chain axe?
livid raven
what stim effects pair well with the chain axe?
attack speed
and strength
in general if you are melee, i think you just want those two
gentle axle
attack speed
Thank you
livid raven
np
limber cradle
They're good at both but generally speaking it's one at a time
open quail
is there some customization or do I have to look like a alcoholic dad forever?
limber cradle
Alcoholic dad forever
open quail
damn
limber cradle
Arguably the store customization is turbo alcoholic dad
open quail
Arguably the store customization is turbo alcoholic dad
deluxe edition one is decent but I dont wanna spend more
zenith fern
thats what every darktide player says
bronze glade
is there some customization or do I have to look like a alcoholic dad forever?
One of the helmets makes you look like a gladiator so it’s not that bad lol
And the deluxe cosmetics make you look like Corvo from dishonored
limber cradle
deluxe edition one is decent but I dont wanna spend more
I like it, I buy deluxe but I really like FS games
Tbh
I like the last unlock for gear
It's very cyber gladiatory
This is what I used to dress like fwiw
Helmet does cost real money
astral fiber
How do I crowbar?
Step 1. Choose rampage as your ability
Step 2. Go to select a melee weapon
Step 3. Unequip crowbar, and equip shivs.
zenith fern
astral fiber
Serious answer is that crowbar is meant to be a jack of all trades, but if you've ever used shivs the difference between the two is night and day in how they actually feel to use.
Aka crowbar is a pool noodle but with funny sound effects
Mfw the anti heavy weapon is outdone by a pair of rusty prison knives
livid raven
eh i dunno
jack of all trades means it would be able to do everything well
it's more like jack of fuck all, master of absolutely nothing
zenith fern
It only is a jack of trash, killing trash hordes
slender fiber
Charged heavies in the strikedown mode should be doing like twice the damage. Maybe even apply Brittleness at a baseline.
fervent compass
idk man i was 2 shotting mutants too, in regular mode
light attacks
i just stuck it on a stim bomb tac axe build and it chews through everything
bronze glade
two shotting mutants is pretty standard
fervent compass
so if it 1shots trash, 2 shots mutants with light attacks, can 2 shot crushers
whats the issue?
bronze glade
everything besides crusher ttk like i said?
and even then, the crusher ttk isn't impressive
fervent compass
1shotting gunners/shotgunners
idk what you mean by bad ttk if everything is 1 or 2 shot
bronze glade
try testing in creature spawner vs. 20 bruisers
and then do the same with rashad
and tell me the crowbar's horde clear is ok lol
fervent compass
flak headed enemies
fervent compass
heavy attack them and sweep 3 or 4 at once, done
bronze glade
🤦
the point is they come at you in packs of 10
and the crowbar is quite slow against horde enemies
like shivs will be way faster for example
crowbar can be made usable with rampage
but that's rampage doing 80% of the lifting lol
rampage can make even dogshit weapons good
like crowbar
the beak has good single target damage
but leaves you vulnerable in horde situations
and also has terrible unyielding damage
so it's extremely situational
fervent compass
except im using it with a stim bomb and chem dependancy build and accomplishing these things
bronze glade
so like i said: the carapace damage isn't terrible, it's everything else
fervent compass
so like i said, idk what you mean by bad ttk
bronze glade
except im using it with a stim bomb and chem dependancy build and accomplishing ...
cool, and you'd be doing it even faster with good weapons
if you like the weapon, keep using it, idc
it's objectively not in a good state tho
fervent compass
subjective
fervent compass
youre trying to use it with the playstyle of a different weapon then calling it bad
bronze glade
nah
fervent compass
yep
bronze glade
i know what what the weapon is good for
dense hollow
almost all of hive scum's weapon have better horde clear times than crowbar
bronze glade
and i know what the weapon is not good for
fervent compass
im good here, make your arguments to your echo chamber while i play the game
peace buddy
bronze glade
im good here, make your arguments to your echo chamber while i play the game
can't handle the truth
but it's ok
not surprising coming from someone who thought bruisers were maulers
mighty belfry
subjective
It's pretty mid
dense hollow
there's no echo chamber around the crowbar
mighty belfry
It's not that it's unusable. It's truly just a very mediocre weapon.
bronze glade
there's no echo chamber around the crowbar
he was disagreeing with me, but then he called the chat an echochamber 🤔 🤔 🤔
mighty belfry
You simply can't put crowbar up against something like, shivs and not see a glaring issue lmfao
Or even something more niche like heavy sword because that can horde clear so much better
dense hollow
is there a weapon that hs has access to that has worse horde clear than crowbar
mighty belfry
It just doesn't do anything well.
mighty belfry
is there a weapon that hs has access to that has worse horde clear than crowbar
Lowkey I actually don't think there is
bronze glade
yeah pretty sure cbar has straight up the worse horde clear of any hiv melee lol
there might be some variation depending on build
but overall, i'd say it's the case
dense hollow
i thought about dclaw in downtime but if we're talking downtime then crowbar is downright miserable without rampage
mighty belfry
Maybe Devil's Claw if we're taking going into flak?
Nah even that honestly feels like it's doing more because it actually benefits a lot from finesse.
mighty belfry
there might be some variation depending on build
Nah I'm pretty sure it is just worse across the board
Even bonesaw gets points for the fact that it does guaranteed toxin
We'll get a crowbar buff some day...
dense hollow
We'll get a crowbar buff some day...
same day we get another exec stance buff
because it obviously needs 20 more buffs
mighty belfry
same day we get another exec stance buff
That doesn't work because that actually has been getting buffed in a meaningful way
😭
Exe stance best vet ult IMHO
dense hollow
exec stance is my prefered vet ability now ever since they gave it passive toughness
bronze glade
Even bonesaw gets points for the fact that it does guaranteed toxin
yeah bs actually has pretty good horde clear lol
unlike cbar
mighty belfry
Yes I love being stun immune for virtually the entirety of the game!
low harbor
another 5 buffs to exe stance it should give global attack speed, movement speed, global DR, be able to do my taxes and my laundries
dense hollow
the next buff to executioner's stance should make it also activate scrier's gaze
bronze glade
Any ranged hit is automatically a crit weakspot
next scriers gaze buff
mighty belfry
Ah yes let's add more to the college grade essay of a description Scrier's has
dense hollow
scrier's gaze gonna look like the star wars intro in a couple of updates
livid raven
is there a weapon that hs has access to that has worse horde clear than crowbar
maybe if you include shitty marks of his other weapons
tough pawn
Is there a cookie-cutter rashad stat line people run? What would a perfect rashad be?
drifting heron
60 mobility headtaker bromentum flak uny
tough pawn
60 mobility headtaker bromentum flak uny
Sweet, thank you
drifting heron
Unarmored over uny if you can't hit Bruiser oneshots easily
Functionally identical on tac axe as well if you ever want to try it
low harbor
actually don't think unarmored is needed for tac axe cuz u PA with it so much anyway it's ok at horde control
I do flak carapace
unyielding is also good over carapace (preferable for hive scum)
but on other classes I think carapace helps a bit more with killing mauler/plasma gunner
drifting heron
Yeah idk perks for the bromentum axes anymore
low harbor
unyielding/carapace + flak
drifting heron
Still 90% correct
low harbor
most weapons now are unyielding flak
drifting heron
Yeah I read you saying that earlier
low harbor
only 4 exceptions imo, combat axe, tac axe, DS, force sword
tough pawn
All good info. Thank you all.
bronze glade
only 4 exceptions imo, combat axe, tac axe, DS, force sword
how badly did deimos get cucked by the uncanny nerf?
low harbor
how badly did deimos get cucked by the uncanny nerf?
it's still alr cuz it has H2 stagger
it just doesn't kill that fast
which is good
drifting heron
Obscurus just got wiped off the face of the earth didn't it
low harbor
and u can run superiority + slaughterer
low harbor
Obscurus just got wiped off the face of the earth didn't it
no it's still higher dps
bronze glade
and u can run superiority + slaughterer
true
low harbor
and u can run it like
on a assail + 2x shield + DD build with blueball staff
and it's honestly fun
drifting heron
no it's still higher dps
I'm mostly joking
It just kinda felt like ass against cara without uncanny
low harbor
cuz it doesn't need atk speed like FGS
low harbor
on a assail + 2x shield + DD build with blueball staff
cuz both assail and blueball want cleave
drifting heron
If I play voidstrike right side I use knife with it for quick repositions
Also Gaze
open quail
I just got hives scum, do you have any tips?
zenith fern
I just got hives scum, do you have any tips?
Light spam against everything
And heavies against tougher foes and single targets
open quail
I noticed theres a delay between dodges, is there a way to reduce it
livid raven
no
open quail
That sucks
livid raven
you are basically immortal if you just spam dodge tho, unless it's an area of attack move
and until you run out of dodges of course
flat mist
I noticed theres a delay between dodges, is there a way to reduce it
Yes. The talent "Nimble" reduces the minimum time between dodges.
So does the stimm talent "Fervor"
livid raven
I thought nimble just made them faster
mighty belfry
I thought nimble just made them faster
That's how they're faster basically
Less time to travel same distance. Less of a delay between dodges.
livid raven
Isn't faster in this case that they cover the space faster and recover faster
I mean, I'd think the delay starts when you end the dodge
mighty belfry
Yeah. The dodge itself ends faster.
So naturally, you can dodge quicker because of that.
livid raven
I suppose it depends what one means with delay
mighty belfry
I don't think there's really another way about it. Basically it's forcing the dodge to end quicker. Because of that, the delay isn't as prominent since you're covering the same amount of space in dodge but noticeably faster.
stark vine
You cannot convince the shop rolls aren't rigged.
IT KNOWS what the dump stats are.
And ensures you'll least likely to get 60% in the stat.
"Best I can do is ten weapons with 60% damage."
mighty belfry
I don't think there's really another way about it. Basically it's forcing the do...
This is also why people thought that it was bugged at first.
livid raven
Skill issue i fear
trim wind
dont bother with teh shop (it also used to be way worse)
mighty belfry
Since, ending the dodge sooner meant that the linger state would kick in sooner making it feel like you had less frames to dodge gunfire
Which is why they then increased the linger too after basically breaking the fucking game for a period of time while they went on vacation
flat mist
You cannot convince the shop rolls aren't rigged.
Each stat rolls with 60-80 at max empowerment, meaning you have a 5%, or 1 in 20, chance of getting the dump stat you want. It's not complex, mysterious, or even rigged. A 5% chance can easily feel like "wow i got that so quick it must be rigged in my favour" or "wow ive rolled so many now it must be rigged against me"
stark vine
Each stat rolls with 60-80 at max empowerment, meaning you have a 5%, or 1 in 20...
I got four 60% dmage in a row.
It's rigged.
But only against me.
fervent compass
@bronze gladeyo im back for a minute, no i did not think bruisers were maulers but i asked that because ive noticed some voice lines referring to them as bruisers and have noticed people in threads on reddit repeating that
youre comparing a mobility weapon to something with cleave and heavy damage, that 1shots trash and 2shots everything else but still complain about ttk... use it differently, idk what to tell you but if i can pull 800k damage auric maels with it this easily then you gotta be doing something wrong
bronze glade
<@195316712143323137>yo im back for a minute, no i did not think bruisers were m...
you can like your ass weapon, it's fine
fervent compass
telling somebody to drop 10 bruisers in the grinder and become the sole target dealing with them isnt even close to the same experience as youd get in a game with a full squad of other effects going on at the same time
bronze glade
but don't pretend it's not ass
fervent compass
its so ass you can rail crusher after mauler after crusher with it
dead, dead, dead
mighty belfry
<@195316712143323137>yo im back for a minute, no i did not think bruisers were m...
No one is saying you can't do that. It's just not the best at it.
bronze glade
telling somebody to drop 10 bruisers in the grinder and become the sole target d...
the discussion was about ttk, and that is how you test ttk
mighty belfry
Like by quite a wide margin too compared to other options this class has
fervent compass
not the best at eating 90% of their health with 1 swing
bronze glade
do i need to explain to you what scentifict method is
fervent compass
im not saying its the best, im saying its not ass like you say it is
bronze glade
in addition to the differenc between maulers and bruisers?
bronze glade
im not saying its the best, im saying its not ass like you say it is
sorry but it really is lol
bronze glade
because it's a perfect example of you not knowing what you're talking about
fervent compass
?????
bronze glade
i'm talking about horde clear this
and specifically bruisers
and somehow, you thought i was talking about maulers lol
mighty belfry
Yeah. It's not great at mixed horde clear dude.
fervent compass
my man there are voicelines that call maulers, "bruisers"
how do i know you know what youre talking about? i have to get clarification
bronze glade
...
it's like the most basic knowledge
the most dangerous horde enemies, which are not elites, are bruisers
fervent compass
so you can assume i dont know what im talking about but i cant assume the same about you
got it
bronze glade
why would i be talking about maulers in the context of horde clear?
maulers aren't horde enemies
fervent compass
because there are maulers in hordes idk
dude it was a question, dont get hung up on it
bronze glade
bruh
there's a specific term for that
mixed hordes
why do i have to explain the most elementary shit to you
fervent compass
and i wanted to make sure you were talking abotu the same thing i was talking about
why cant you wrap your fucking head around its okay to ask for clarification
bronze glade
look, idc, go wank yourself off with a crowbar
if you like shit weapons, enjoy them
idc
fervent compass
i dont wank with the crowbar, it goes up my ass dawg
mighty belfry
what is happening here
fervent compass
dudes mad that i made sure we were talking abotu the same enemy because its in the game voicelines calling maulers "bruisers"
bronze glade
mad? no, that implies i care.
amused that the one crowbar fanatic i've seen here doesn't know the difference between bruisers and maulers? yes.
fervent compass
fanatic because i said its not ass
bronze glade
very telling that a crowbar fanatic doesn't know the difference
fervent compass
low effort bait
bronze glade
you could be using a power sword and crowbar and probably think they're both S-tier weapons
mighty belfry
Look. I'm not gonna say it's ass. But I will say. It can be much better than it is right now.
And arguably should be.
mighty belfry
Like it does really suffer with mixed horde clear.
fervent compass
thats where i have the least problem actually, and the biggest issue i run into with it is how it slows you down during attack
mighty belfry
I guess this does also come from a matter of perspective too since
fervent compass
i subbed it on a tac axe build with high crit and coated weaponry, quite literally walking through hordes with it
mighty belfry
You said you play Auric, right?
fervent compass
auric maels yes
i had to mention that because i know half the people on here immediately think of h40
mighty belfry
See. Thing is that honestly, anything really works in Auric. And player skill can make up for a weapon's shortcomings.
But purely by numbers, its not very good at actual horde clear compared to a wide variety of weapons this class has
You'll knock em over with the impact
But the cleave and distribution are uh
bronze glade
by not very good you mean literally worse in the class?
mighty belfry
Lacking.
bronze glade
prob should clarify the euphemism
mighty belfry
Okay yes. It is just, pretty much the worst in that regard. Even Bonesaw's got points over it and Bonesaw for its own reasons isn't great either.
fervent compass
thats funny, i struggle witht eh saw
fervent compass
always find myself getting pushed around when i run the saw
could never make a loadout and build that helped it
mighty belfry
Because it has good clear
It doesn't have good control
I suppose that's actually where crowbar does have a bit of an advantage
bronze glade
cbar horde control is prob above average yes
low harbor
thats funny, i struggle witht eh saw
DW it’s natural
mighty belfry
The impact does help with keeping hordes under control a little better but your actual damage output in the horde is what really lacks.
bronze glade
temu shovel moment
limber cradle
I wanted to like crowbar so badly
mighty belfry
Honestly same.
fervent compass
i wanna say i had my crit up to about 50 or 60 with the crowbar, and with some extra weakspot damage and a little tox i was straight up walking through crowds with light attack
limber cradle
You can play anything in auric
I can play anything in auric
I'm not that good lol
fervent compass
noodles and cardboard swords lol
i was pretty disappointed in scums class exclusives
mighty belfry
Not my heavy sword. Anything but cardboard 😎
limber cradle
The only one I use consistently is the .45s
And that's mainly cause I like them
They're not like, good or whatever
mighty belfry
They do their job.
limber cradle
They Just Work
And they look cool while they do it which is more than you can say for a lot of DT weapons
low harbor
Idk wat crowbar’s H1 cleave is
mighty belfry
Honestly, I think that's why I like Hsword so much
It's just a very aesthetically pleasing set of weapons
limber cradle
Not enough spins but yeah
One of the reasons I dislike CAxe so much is the lack of style
mighty belfry
I mean they're grand falchions
limber cradle
No lol
mighty belfry
And falchions are fucking cool.
limber cradle
Yeah well, I have an average knife and it spins
Your falchion doesn't sound so grand now does it
bronze glade
but falchion crackles
fervent compass
idk about numbers or spreadsheets but the crowbar h1 cleave completely unbuffed kills 1 sometimes 2 bruisers and staggers 3 more
mighty belfry
but falchion crackles
That's a different kind of falchion.
We don't talk about that one.
bronze glade
it's usable
mighty belfry
I WANT IT TO BETTER
limber cradle
Didn't hear you over the five ragers I just decapitated 😎
I have no idea where knife cleave actually stops tbh
All I can say for sure is it's funny when you get the ball rolling and one shot everything with lights lol
Finesse go brrrt
mighty belfry
All I can say for sure is it's funny when you get the ball rolling and one shot ...
Riposte + Precog
Finesse stimm
low harbor
I have no idea where knife cleave actually stops tbh
6.5
mighty belfry
low harbor
Which is honestly surprisingly high for a small knife
limber cradle
Which is honestly surprisingly high for a small knife
Right?
mighty belfry
How'd you know lol
I pioneered that on shivs!!!
low harbor
It’s still not good at cleave distribution tho
low harbor
For a knife
Also idk if u saw but
I updated duelling sword in guide and I think it’s kinda cooked
limber cradle
I did not cause I am illiterate
mighty belfry
It’s still not good at cleave distribution tho
I mean. We don't really have to care about cleave distribution with this class as much
limber cradle
I updated duelling sword in guide and I think it’s kinda cooked
I thought it hasn't changed since uhhhh
Poke to parry swap
low harbor
I thought it hasn't changed since uhhhh
Uncanny strike nerf, it’s nowhere as strong as it used to be
mighty belfry
As long as it's doing that gigacrazy finesse burst, HV will do the rest.
low harbor
ADMs are horrid
mighty belfry
Fighting flak with dueling sword
Legit feels like a pool noodle
It is so bad now
low harbor
Nah pool noodle actually does damage
limber cradle
Uncanny strike nerf, it’s nowhere as strong as it used to be
That makes sense actually
fervent compass
feels like day 1 illisi?
low harbor
DS might as well be healing them
mighty belfry
Even in auric you notice it
mighty belfry
feels like day 1 illisi?
Honestly kinda does
limber cradle
Did some YouTuber make a video
ocean fiber
Weapon carried by specific blessing is bad once said blessing gets nerfed
low harbor
Do you know why I see so many accatran vets lately
Recon? Idk
I don’t follow DT YouTube
ocean fiber
duelling sword found dead in hive gutter
low harbor
I’ve been speedrunning guide overhauls
limber cradle
I don't either
ocean fiber
i for one am overjoyed
mighty belfry
Weapon carried by specific blessing is bad once said blessing gets nerfed
I mean I didn't think nerfing uncanny would do dueling sword that dirty
Knife is still honestly just fine.
limber cradle
I don't notice the lack of uncanny on knife scum tbh
low harbor
I mean I didn't think nerfing uncanny would do dueling sword *that* dirty
It’s because uncanny made us forget how bad DS’s base ADMs actually were
ocean fiber
yeah knife is still great and i'm very happy
mighty belfry
It’s because uncanny made us forget how bad DS’s base ADMs actually were
Yeah agreed. I just hadn't gathered just how bad DS's flak ADMs really are
fervent compass
how much is it really hurting team dps though now that its brittleness? the couple games ive done with the new uncanny wasnt much different as far as auric maels go
low harbor
Yeah agreed. I just hadn't gathered just how bad DS's flak ADMs really are
just as an example, this is DS4
the best attack it has (except riposte) is H stab which has 80% unyielding, ~96% flak and ~49% carapace
if u crit it's better
but this is not actually like, super high
and it won't even 1 tap the weaker flak elites
on a 1.5 cleave atk
mighty belfry
It's basically just extremely safe single target now
But like
That's all it's good at
low harbor
how much is it really hurting team dps though now that its brittleness? the coup...
the big difference for DS is that the light atks are complete dogshit and heavy atks are still good but ur not gonna kill elite groups fast regardless
mighty belfry
Do you know why I see so many accatran vets lately
Mr E
low harbor
in fact calling it dogshit is insulting to dogshit I just can't pinpoint another descriptor
slow solstice
Hey, are the dual pistols good? I’ve been trying them for a bit, but I can’t get over something with them. They feel.. Stiff? Clacky? I dunno.
fervent compass
havent used the ds yet, just the new uncanny on knife but i can see the lights on flak being a joke now
mighty belfry
Hey, are the dual pistols good? I’ve been trying them for a bit, but I can’t get...
They're okay.
That's it really.
low harbor
I don't notice the lack of uncanny on knife scum tbh
knife is still fine cuz knife has inherent 15% crit chance and better blessings
DS rn is basically if u don't crit u might as well be healing enemies
ocean fiber
I am a little sad that DS got snubbed because it's the only weapon that has actual technique in the attack patterns vs just kinda flailing around
was nice to feel like a proper swordsman when i used it occasionally
mighty belfry
I am a little sad that DS got snubbed because it's the only weapon that has actu...
Unironically, I feel like you'd like the Hsword lmao
mighty belfry
Made a video on it?
Yep.
limber cradle
DS rn is basically if u don't crit u might as well be healing enemies
Gotcha gotcha
ocean fiber
Unironically, I feel like you'd like the Hsword lmao
I have tried it and it's chill but it's still mostly swooshy swoosh big wide swing
limber cradle
Does DS not have Precog Riposte?
ocean fiber
as far as actually using it though yeah it's a fun weapon
mighty belfry
I have tried it and it's chill but it's still mostly swooshy swoosh big wide swi...
You'd be surprised how rewarding it is to utilize the full moveset.
fervent compass
can you link something, enjoyer?
mighty belfry
Thanks autocorrect.
limber cradle
Is there a mark of hsword that's drastically better cause I used one of them and hated it ngl
mighty belfry
Is there a mark of hsword that's drastically better cause I used one of them and...
Which one?
limber cradle
Which one?
I can double check for you rn, booting DT
mighty belfry
If it's the one with the straight down overhead
limber cradle
Fwiw I think im straight addicted to knife movement and that's also a contributing factor
mighty belfry
Honestly, I know people will say that's the best one but I really don't like it with Perfect Strike
low harbor
Does DS not have Precog Riposte?
they do, but it's a very dodge heavy setup and still doesn't do that much if u don't crit (especially if u don't build crit/finesse in talents, which staff psykers usually don't)
fervent compass
i havent used a h sword in like 2700hrs, tried putting somethign together to use it a while back and didnt make it out of the grinder with it... went right back to a force sword
if you have any guides on them id love to check them out
limber cradle
Honestly, I know people will say that's the best one but I really don't like it ...
VII
mighty belfry
Use VI
low harbor
I like VII more than VI
mighty belfry
The one you're using has that golf club swing after the special.
low harbor
I'm honestly inclined to write VII as best variant
mighty belfry
Yep.
mighty belfry
The strikedown after special feels so much more natural.
And Perfect Strike can make it get some gnarly cleave kills.
limber cradle
I do think it's in part to knife addiction
ocean fiber
I guess i might as well ask now because im curious but what blessings are best on Hsword rn
mighty belfry
Knife on this class is a drug in itself
worn canopy
man blessing on needler is bogger
ill go over speedloader and stripped down as placeholder
ocean fiber
wonderful thank you
fervent compass
run n gun for close damage on needler
mighty belfry
can you link something, enjoyer?
had to update a lil since the crusher spawn changed the way i set this up
mighty belfry
i run bistol there for the big toxin sands
But realistically the ranged can be whatever
fervent compass
i know theres a huge range to this but if you had to give hyper violence a percentage, how much of a damage boost would you say it gives on average?
this build is nearly identical to the one i was using with a t axe and i dropped HV on it
mighty belfry
i know theres a huge range to this but if you had to give hyper violence a perce...
I don't think I can really give a range to that number
but I'll say it definitely helps when you've got a lot of fodder feeding your overkill before you see a h40 crusher lose all of their health instantly when you hit them with a heavy
fervent compass
oh it builds on itself?
mighty belfry
oh it builds on itself?
Yeah. Technically, HV ramps infinitely. You just need to actually kill something with that overkill within 1s to keep it flowing.
fervent compass
i wasnt even using it earlier when i was running crowbar lol, i main psyker and lost interest in scum at like level 150
mighty belfry
Crowbar don't really benefit much from it anyway.
fervent compass
for crowds no?
mighty belfry
Issue is that there's not many attacks it does that gives a chunk of burst damage to feed it. The fact that beak mode makes it latch and hit multiple times works against it.
Since that's where you'd be doing the most damage.
Hypercrit's not bad for it though.
fervent compass
standard modes heavy and light patterns in horde id imagine would see all the benefit of HV i guess
small grail
Is the boom bringer even good now? I remember when scum released and it wasn't the best. Then i came back and saw they buffed it with a ton of rockets. Then i come back again and now it's nerfed back down to 3 max. Is ts even good?
ancient basin
if huge clump of nope, boom
thankfully that is mostly ragers and bulwarks now, not 20^500 crushers at least
small grail
if huge clump of nope, boom
Why wouldn't you just use the chem nades
I remember seeing that its abysmal at clearing hordes of crushers because its splash doesn't do a lot
ancient basin
instant, longer range. realistically preference
they buffed that a while ago
it deletes anything in the blast radius pretty much now
small grail
I'm still bummed i don't have a ton of rockets now
ancient basin
If I was having a really bad day with randos I would throw on tox blinders for infinite ammo economy
but my dclaw has been carving up hordes like a knife through butter, even putting in work on crushers from the tox too
low harbor
Is the boom bringer even good now? I remember when scum released and it wasn't t...
yea it 1 shots everything not a boss
ancient basin
does a good chunk to bosses but its not great for it because of ammo constraints
dclaw parry spam duel of the fates is peak
worldly girder
what's the current consensus on hivescum exclusive ranged weapons?
stubs > needle = uzis, with build consideration?
worldly girder
hmmmmm ok I'll take a deeper look into things
woeful hill
Needle is carapace and unyielding damage, stubs are mid/long range single target often special killer guns, uzi is often used for mixed horde clear/anti rager
this is how I think of them
ancient basin
stubs have great ammo economy and style
fervent compass
@mighty belfrythat build made h sword actually fun to play
ancient basin
heavy sword, very cool
small grail
yea it 1 shots everything not a boss
That isn't really that big a deal
Except for crushers
low harbor
That isn't really that big a deal
being able to 1 shot an entire bulwark patrol is fairly significant
small grail
being able to 1 shot an entire bulwark patrol is fairly significant
Only if they're fairly close together i'd assume
But yeah i suppose thats pretty decent
ancient basin
its similar to the ogryn frag bomb, an instant encounter reset
low harbor
Only if they're fairly close together i'd assume
no it's a huge AOE
mighty belfry
Only if they're fairly close together i'd assume
boom bringer's got range
a lot of range
low harbor
this is not krak grenade
mighty belfry
Like, arguably busted range.
ancient basin
definitely not krak, much smaller ammo pool
small grail
Ig they gave it significant buffs in the time i've not played darktide
I remember when it was a bottom tier blitz
mighty belfry
It hasn't been bottom tier in quite a while now
Arguably one of the best blitzes in the game atm
small grail
I've not played darktide in a while
ancient basin
its a tool with a good niche, and you can substitute it for the other two nades depending on your preference, which means its fine
small grail
At least its good now
ancient basin
its even more effective in a team with a nade gen vet and people feeding you more nades over the match
small grail
I was mega bummed with how bad it was on release
worldly girder
is there an indicator for when your personal stimm is off cooldown?
ancient basin
very faint visual queue on the right hand side when it goes from recharging and greyed out to charged and slightly more saturated white
I run a 70% viscosity stim on my rampage build and use it alternating with rampage CD
decent coverage and I dont have to think to hard about maximizing its up time as its usually up after my rampage ends
and vice versa
craggy stream
What builds do y’all like for Hivescum?
jaunty sail
Vraks iag still fucks?
fast junco
What is this buff on crowbar when charged for heavy strike?
unique dagger
Needle is carapace and unyielding damage, stubs are mid/long range single target...
Needle is everything damage
It even damages the game's balance
stark vine
I am heavily torn between drugs or John Wick if he lived in a dumpster.
They are both a lot of fun.
shut creek
What are the two chem modes on the Bone Saw? Green and purple goop, but no information on which does what -_-;
dense hollow
What are the two chem modes on the Bone Saw? Green and purple goop, but no infor...
green mode does toxin on hit and orple mode does brittleness on hit
shut creek
Brittleness makes them take more damage I assume ?
stark vine
Question. Is the 'brittleness' ever worth doing? It feels like the Tox just outright kills most enemies anyway. The only time I use it is on bosses.
dense hollow
not really worth it
fervent compass
Question. Is the 'brittleness' ever worth doing? It feels like the Tox just outr...
best use of purple that i found is when i hit max stacks on a boss with needles already, or get near max stacks and run tox on crit hit so you can keep them topped off and also get brittle
running purple just because doesnt feel nearly as efficient
main trellis
best use of purple that i found is when i hit max stacks on a boss with needles ...
Purple is also handy if you want to proc pickpocket for example cause tox might kill the target before your hit again thus rendering pickpocket not active
fervent compass
good point, i do find myself doing mostly heavies when i need to refill blinders or ammo
tox damage stealing my ammo
stark vine
Yeah so far the only time I use the brittle is when a boss appears. I'll unload the brittle into the boss and then swap to toxin for damage.
clear isle
guys, is it possible to know if I have max stacks of toxin on a boss?
specifically with using the needler
tender marten
magdump into the boss
reload
fire one shot after reload
fire one shot at it every five or so seconds after that
pretty much all you need
naive imp
does scum like anything different for chainaxe blessings, compared to other classes?
clear isle
thanks!
bronze glade
does scum like anything different for chainaxe blessings, compared to other clas...
nope chaxe blessings are the same regardless of class
HT slaugt iirc
naive imp
alright thanks bud
floral wedge
Shivs
dense hollow
shivs want finesse stimm i think
mighty belfry
Finesse stimm yeah
marble lotus
is the dump stat for the dual autopistols collat? or mobility
bronze glade
collat
broken garnet
alriggght so there are builds in pins, are they all meta-adjacent/viable?
broken garnet
daymn.
zenith fern
If it is the old tree then yeah
hallow socket
Is it important on hive scum to run a 3+ stamina curio? And having 2 gunners damage resistance among the 3?
dense hollow
Is it important on hive scum to run a 3+ stamina curio? And having 2 gunners dam...
atleast 2 gunner resists
+3 stamina is a comfort choice that gives certain weapons like 75% more stamina to use
some weapons already have so much stamina they they don't really need it but you might as well just use one +3 stamina curio on all builds
hallow socket
Kk cheers
mighty belfry
Is it important on hive scum to run a 3+ stamina curio? And having 2 gunners dam...
Not important but nice
Since, Hive Scum has insanely good stamina retention baseline
hallow socket
I'm guessing the extra stamina boosts the attack speed and damage resistance nodes?
dense hollow
+3 stamina just gives you 6% more attack speed with the node
mighty belfry
I'm guessing the extra stamina boosts the attack speed and damage resistance nod...
It only makes the DR more consistent, but it does boost attack speed with Swift Endurance yeah
6%
Not much by itself
dense hollow
i don't like running tac axe without +3 stamina
you can do it i just don't like doing it
mighty belfry
Attack speed for tac axe is just fine with only Swift
But reason I run stamina with it
Is cuz you wanna use the push attack a lot
hallow socket
Copy
mighty belfry
And that extra stamina could actually save you in a pinch if something hits you in the frame you're blocking
And you kinda wanna block with this class
hallow socket
I've never really ran 2 gunners DR on anything so that would make s difference too
mighty belfry
I've never really ran 2 gunners DR on anything so that would make s difference t...
I'd argue at least 2 are mandatory on Havoc at least lol
mossy tapir
for spamming booby trap stimm supply is a single node on the cartel stimm still best or is there some leeway for stronger stimm buffs for a negligible enough cooldown increase? like would it be worth it to grab more than 1 toughness node or even damage nodes to buff the potency of each bomb for the cooldown increase they'd incur
flat mist
Not much by itself
God it feels like a lot when i drop a stam curio down from whatever im used to at the time
mighty belfry
God it feels like a lot when i drop a stam curio down from whatever im used to a...
It depends on the weapon for me
Like, knife, you will notice a drop
Tac axe. Barely noticeable.
flat mist
for spamming booby trap stimm supply is a single node on the cartel stimm still ...
I prefer a big/long CD stimm
Comes back so fast with sample collector anyway
mighty belfry
It's really just that the animations for the attacks already have such negligible wind ups and downtime after completion that a 6% speed up really doesn't amount to much for it
pine steppe
Anyone got adrenaline frenzy builds
mighty belfry
While knife for how "quick" it is, actually does
flat mist
It's really just that the animations for the attacks already have such negligibl...
I dont think i fully understand how attack speed interacts with different stages of attacks
My current understanding is just that theres a minimum wind up time for heavies and a time to complete a swing after the windup for heavies and for lights generally
mossy tapir
I prefer a big/long CD stimm
how big a stimm we talking? currently i'm just doing the 1 node of toughness for the quickness but i was thinking of just sending for the full strength + rending to get the buffs to toxin damage so each bomb and tox stacking therein feels more impactful
flat mist
how big a stimm we talking? currently i'm just doing the 1 node of toughness for...
I like to fully send it with max cd and max strength
mighty belfry
My current understanding is just that theres a minimum wind up time for heavies ...
There's a wind up and time to complete for all attacks. Attack speed, well, speeds that up
Like how you use mk6 knife and you don't have any attack speed and you swing
And you notice even on lights that there's this delay before you can get the next light out
That's what attack speed actually affects
ancient basin
also affects the interupt break points where you can cancel animations into other ones, like weapon swapping and such
dense hollow
how big a stimm we talking? currently i'm just doing the 1 node of toughness for...
the only time i'd personally go for a small stimm with supply crate is when you really need the corruption immunity uptime otherwise full stimm all the way
mighty belfry
Which is why it doesn't do much for stuff like tac axe or dueling sword where those animation times are already quick as is
dense hollow
thats just me though
flat mist
Which is why it doesn't do much for stuff like tac axe or dueling sword where th...
I think i understand everything you've just said except how this is the outcome 🙁
mossy tapir
the only time i'd personally go for a small stimm with supply crate is when you ...
yeah i mean the corruption immunity is nice sometimes but i'm not doing the high havocs people really like it for so i mean that sounds valid
mighty belfry
I *think* i understand everything you've just said except how this is the outcom...
Well, think about it. You do a light on mk7 tac axe
flat mist
If attack speed affects all elements of an attack, wouldn't 10% attack speed add up to 10% more attacks on every weapon?
ancient basin
assuming you are only attacking yes
mighty belfry
That shit comes out quick, and there's barely any time before the next one can come out
A small percentage wouldn't affect a time that's already quick as is.
mossy tapir
I like to fully send it with max cd and max strength
also noted, assumedly the cdr is more for your homies than yourself of course considering sample collector
ancient basin
fast weapon does not swing much faster compared to slow weapon swinging faster
because fast weapon is already tuned for faster attack speed, so a slower weapon swinging faster is much much more potent
broken garnet
okay i just wanna know what the bread and butter meta is
tranquil fjord
rampage, shivs, needler, chem dependency
mighty belfry
mk6 knife tbh
flat mist
I feel like im being dense but ima keep asking to try and grasp this
dense hollow
rampage shivs/rashad/knife
ancient basin
take your time, thats how you learn
broken garnet
I'm most interested in knife tbh
mighty belfry
Ya did ask.
dense hollow
mk6 knife tbh
i forget is mk6 knife the one with the push stab
mighty belfry
i forget is mk6 knife the one with the push stab
Yeah.
dense hollow
yeah i like that one a lot
mighty belfry
And vanguard heavy
mighty belfry
If attack speed affects all elements of an attack, wouldn't 10% attack speed add...
It does.
flat mist
If a weapon attacks say once per second vs twice per second, wouldnt 10% attack speed just mean we go to 1.1 per second and 2.2 attacks per second?
flat mist
I do get how practicably theres more benefit to getting a slow attack out faster than there is benefit in getting quick attacks out faster
ancient basin
faster weapon gains more usability in weapon feel and utility than raw output in my experience
as in, a fast base weapon with more attack speed boosts
you are not gaining in dps or damage out put so much as it blends into your game play loop more smoothly
flat mist
Definitely agree that theres variation in how attack speed affects usability/feel/utility
broken garnet
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a1561f43-c59a-48d5-a24a-b36abd51a7f0/expedition-melee-scum so obviously gameslantern isnt good but im looking for a base and i suck at builds. how is this one?
mighty belfry
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a1561f43-c59a-48d5-a24a-b36abd51a7f0/ex...
Uncanny
flat mist
I guess to clarify what im trying to ascertain is, if we were just spamming attacks against an immobile enemy and measuring dps, do some weapons benefit more/less from attack speed than others?
Disregarding things like stacking debuffs
mighty belfry
We are living in a different time friend.
broken garnet
uncanny isnt as good i heard but what would you put instead?
mighty belfry
Lemme give you my setup
mighty belfry
uncanny isnt as good i heard but what would you put instead?
If you want to, you can use the needler
ancient basin
The dps buff should be equal across all melee weapons, as its a raw attack speed boost. Slower weapons are better at 1 shots on medium targets (ragers, shotgunners, specials) so the faster speed gives them a higher kill rate. Faster weapons gain the raw dps boost for single target shredding on large targets (ogryns, bosses)
broken garnet
If you want to, you can use the needler
its bis right?
mighty belfry
I personally just like bistol better for this setup
I also usually like using mk3 more but, I can't deny that Mk6 is just more accessible and easier to use tbh
flat mist
The dps buff should be equal across all melee weapons, as its a raw attack speed...
Ok cool i think i was just misinterpreting doughgoblin's meaning earlier
mighty belfry
Hmm.
flat mist
Cheers all