hivescum-class

[mighty belfry]

Tbf it's okay for Desperado

[limber cradle]

I'm still dropping precision violence and probably sticky hands

I personally never liked calling for a time out either

[livid raven]

yeah same

i don't pick precision violence either

[mighty belfry]

Sticky hands is okay to drop

I still think Precision Violence is a really good talent even on a desperado build though

[flat lotus]

oh hold on

hyper-crit is melee only isn't it

[livid raven]

it activates on ranged kills too, but it doesn't increase ranged damage

[limber cradle]

I can see hypercrit benefitting pp now tbh

Depends on gun of choice tho ig

[flat lotus]

yup

bye bye hypercrit

[livid raven]

today i fail completely at reading

[livid raven]

i red hyperviolence

[limber cradle]

It's alright man I'm illiterate everyday of my life

[flat lotus]

i like you fatshark but please please work on your tooltips 🥀

[limber cradle]

Wouldn't be a FS game if talents were described accurately in plain English man

[flat lotus]

how hard would it be to say melee criticals

okay with that gone. channeled, jittery, or something else

[livid raven]

street tough

[limber cradle]

I'm a jittery purist tbh

Like you do not need it

BUT

It is the key to never being touched ever imo

[flat lotus]

Yeah I was thinking about that

But the tooltip is odd

Is there a threshhold of melee damage that triggers it or is it like, when you get hit with melee at all

[livid raven]

any melee damage or block

[flat lotus]

That's

hm

how much is the knockback on it

[livid raven]

it's pretty good irrc

enough to stagger specials

it's not vulture's push pathetic ass fart

[flat lotus]

okay that's what i was worried about

vulture's push is a joke

sad because the other modifiers for mark are good

[livid raven]

i think it also staggers ragers?

probably anything that isn't a crusher

[flat lotus]

i'll run it

[low harbor]

it can stagger ragers & maulers

[livid raven]

i have some doubts about bulwarks

[low harbor]

which is rly what u will care about most of the time

[flat lotus]

what do people usually use for stimm on desperado

i ran kalma 4 klay

[livid raven]

i think full CDR

[mighty belfry]

CDR

[flat lotus]

is kalma 5 better than klay?

it seemed like klay was slightly faster if you were just magdumping the crowd

[warm axle]

sorry im cracking up at this cuz the only node in the top not taken is the one i put on every one lmao

[flat lotus]

that's fair

[livid raven]

i think klay is situationally better

slightly

kalma is more consistent

[flat lotus]

i take it when im using chainaxe or rashad

it is silly

[warm axle]

i remember when the class tree was revealed i laughed at how high up that one is when it's parallel for arbites was allll the way in the bottom

[limber cradle]

I don't run tertium welcome tbh

Even on melee builds

But it is funny it's the singular node left out

[bronze glade]

why not?

it's a good node

[limber cradle]

Tbh because I do not have the point free for it

[mighty belfry]

It's got a lot of contenders on the tree so I get it

[warm axle]

im curious if it procs on each swing of the shivs individually or just the first

[limber cradle]

Lemme find my tree rq

[mighty belfry]

Each swing

[warm axle]

also wow ty kuli i also wondered about that

[mighty belfry]

But it only affects the first target in your swing*

*Brutal Momentum and Deathblow ignore this

[flat mist]

Like only the first attack in an attack chain?

[mighty belfry]

I don't know why they ignore it. But they do.

[flat mist]

Why would it be that lol

[limber cradle]

This+Precog Riposte knife

[mighty belfry]

I feel like

There's an oversight on the bottom left there

[warm axle]

actually the arbites equivalent doesn't have that note for brutal momentum
i gotta test that

[mighty belfry]

BOTTOM RIGHT

Not left

[limber cradle]

Which bit

[mighty belfry]

Look at Chem dep

[limber cradle]

Oh yeah lol

[mighty belfry]

Knew it.

[limber cradle]

I am not a 4 stack runner

[mighty belfry]

I mean why the fuck would you run the 4 stack and not the crit chance

[limber cradle]

I am entirely sure someone out there is doing it

[neat delta]

nice ip

I'm coming for you

[warm axle]

4 stack is a little too taxing for me, not sure i ever noticed the benefit either. im sure it maths out positively but it just added more maintenance when i tried it!

[mighty belfry]

They're just wrong lmfao

[limber cradle]

I don't run 4 stack cause I run a maxed stimm

Hypothetically I can keep 4 stacks with a maxed stimm but I need the team to be a little bad and the enemy spawns to be a little generous tbh

[warm axle]

i use maxed stimm because i actually like the mechanic! im a stimm fiend with other classes and theyre never utilized enough by most players in my experiencec

[limber cradle]

I use max stimm cause I'm addicted to movement

[warm axle]

ngl ive been scared to touch fervor lol
i already move so fast it makes other classes feel like tortoises, i'd never stop scumming with that

[limber cradle]

Jittery+Nimble+Fervor+Knife lol

[warm axle]

reflex is really funny with bolt pistol

[uncut torrent]

Hello lovely hivescum mains is it possible to make the hive scum not look like they're fent maxing?

[amber sundial]

not really

[rare grotto]

literally part of the operative's build

[neat delta]

These are people from the slumiest slums.

[bronze crown]

I don't use drugs, I am drugs!

[limber cradle]

I've never abused drugs in my life

We've both loved every second of it

[bronze crown]

https://tenor.com/view/manson-like-drugs-gif-27522015

[limber cradle]

Nah

More like

https://tenor.com/view/used-to-do-drugs-hedberg-talking-gif-14265714

[uncut torrent]

So it's impossible to give them normal hair and no tattoos with normal clothes? Cause I like the class's play style but the drip is ehhh

[limber cradle]

Oh nah you can

All the standard options for creation are there

The cosmetics are all like that tho

[bronze crown]

Yeah there are non tats and non neon choices but most of the drip is punk inspired. There is a pretty military looking long coat in the premium store.

[limber cradle]

Long coat is deluxe

[bronze crown]

I would actually love a studded and cartel patched Mobian 53rd Commissar coat as a Havoc reward for HS.

And the rebreather without a helmet for the hair.

[hot edge]

NOTHING beats this, only way i have ran it since the class came out

[flat mist]

run*

[hot edge]

https://giphy.com/gifs/moodman-morgan-freeman-hes-right-you-know-duM6JZemPlOjUyqmxd

[muted pivot]

I do kinda like the toughness stimm branch now though

[main trellis]

A friendly reminder
Str stimm with rending & Lethal Proximity blessing can 1 shot a ritual
https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/17886936031246348007/1A5BB0198932A8D1005936C3530D6AEC1015DE9A/

[twin pelican]

Hello, please tell me if there are any methods to deal a lot of damage without dying from every sneeze.I haven't been playing on Scum for very long,that's why I haven't gotten very comfortable with it yet

[tranquil fjord]

depends

there are only so many survivability options on scum and even then they should all be secondary to just dodging

every build usually takes burst of energy

you can take the 15~20% tdr on chem dependency

[twin pelican]

So it turns out that dodging is the only way to survive?

[tranquil fjord]

yes but

its not all lost

scum has some of the best melee and ranged toughness regeneration

so its easy to avoid chip damage if youre proactive

[twin pelican]

Thanks for the advice

[muted pivot]

Desperado also keeps you safe from ranged

Total immunity while you keep it up

Lots of ways to get toughness back

But we mostly live by being quick and aggro. Also rampage's stagger option is phenomenal.

[gray sail]

i find it sooo much easier to live on hive scum compared to other classes personally

but part of that is probably because if im playing zealot/vet im using evis/power sword so im going from one end of mobility to the other

[gray fable]

how many charges of toxis does toxin cleaver apply on hit?

[gray sail]

1, + 1 from crit and + 1 from the node that applies toxin on crit

afaik

[gray fable]

thx

[marble seal]

Dodge button 💯

[main prairie]

i know crowbar isnt a popular weapon compared to shivs and cleaver, but i think i actually like it

[ancient basin]

Also try to no over extend to far past your team's line of sight. Simple, but you are not as well equipped to be the vanguard.

I would compare crowbar to power sword, but with less horde obliterating power. You trade mobility and defence for utility in the case of the crowbar, able to swap between anti carapace or base move set with good stagger.

it works, its not flashy is all

[gray sail]

its fun

just annoying to kill more than 1 thing at a time

[bronze glade]

fortunately crowbar is on hive scum

because hiv is so overpowered that it can even make dogshit weapons work

[zenith pagoda]

I just wanna see what power sword rampage is like for the memes

[ancient basin]

would be funny to have a mod that replaces the base mode sounds with halflife crowbar on metal sounds

[low harbor]

It’s slaughterer power sword but worse

Because melee strength doesn’t make ur pushes better

And it can’t be activated reliably vs single target

[ancient basin]

attack speed on power sword is actually not great because of how it works

[low harbor]

Untrue

Animation timescale buff actually makes it activate faster

[ancient basin]

I am saying you have to activate it to get 4-5 swings of power mode, then re activate again

[low harbor]

3 swings then reactivate

[zenith pagoda]

Attack speed buff?

[low harbor]

But atk speed makes the whole process faster anyway

[ancient basin]

the more you are activating in combat, even with a faster animation, the more you leave yourself open to free damage

[low harbor]

It’s animation timescale modifier in code

And yes it makes u activate faster

It’s very easy to tell the difference lol

[zenith pagoda]

But attack speed doesn't affect latch on stuff?

[low harbor]

Compare base with 10% (TFD only) or 25% (TFD + WS) and u can see it activate much faster

[zenith pagoda]

I can't tell much difference with vet's 10%

[low harbor]

Sticky attacks are a bit different and don’t get affected by animation timescale

Well, none of them do currently

And there’s only 1 good sticky attack in the entire game XD

[zenith pagoda]

Tbh I've always overrated attack speed, unless it gives +20% or more then I really feel it

[low harbor]

10% atk speed absolutely does make a difference for pretty much every melee weapon that’s not duelling sword or tac axe

Fairly noticeable tbh

[zenith pagoda]

Doesn't seem that way for me, when I did timings I barely get more attacks off

[low harbor]

Because it’s not actually linearly 10% faster

It’s reduced attack combo chain time

It still matters quite a lot

I don’t think u have to stack it to ridiculous levels (because it’s actually diminishing returns that way) but getting 10~20% consistently is very good

[ancient basin]

I love attack speed

one of the reasons hive scum is in direct competition with gunker for me

[low harbor]

It’s also one of the most direct improvements to melee mixed horde

Getting attacks out sooner to stagger and break rager combos or mauler overheads

[ancient basin]

also opens up your alternative actions mid fight, like swapping weapons, blocking, dodging, or using tertiary attacks

wish the stubs had more armor pen, I would use them as an alternate with shivs or dclaw all the time then

And the extra attack speed also buffs Dclaw with the toxin crits so I can do funny parry things

tank bosses because i took all stamina curios for more attack speed

[ancient basin]

my revolver cant fan fire 1 mag a crusher anymore, sadness

the tox splash is nice from melee elite kills though

[oblique basin]

Have you all notice the momennt you enter on a lobby, people leave as soon as they see its a hive scum?

Or at least, chances are high

[flat mist]

No, because that doesnt happen

[ancient basin]

not really, and even if they do leave I just keep moving anyways

most times people leave because they cannot hang on the difficulty they are on due to lack of experience, or they are having a bad session from external factors impacting their ability to perform.

hell, they might just have something else they need to do and have to leave mid match regardless

[main trellis]

Like their mommy screaming at them to ‚GET OVER HERE THIS INSTANT!!!’ Type shit

[patent bone]

Not much honestly

[muted pivot]

I only leave if I really want to play a particular build and then see in the start screen that it doesn't work with what we have

Like if I really wanna be an inferno Psyker, I leave if I see a second one in the lobby

(or more likely just swap to gun)

[hasty torrent]

Are shivs just better than the combat blade

[unreal stirrup]

No

[hasty torrent]

Can you explain i just look at the two and shivs do overall more damage and also when I've used them shivs kill faster than the combat blade and they have around the same perks with a few different

I still use combat blade cause its cooler but every time I use shivs they feel better

[steel kite]

is hive scum melee without toxic worth it?

i been trying base damage builds and they seem okay but in havoc not so much

[unreal stirrup]

mostly because of better single target + knife can stack hv a lot faster

[main trellis]

Yes

[main trellis]

I use such in H40 & i have no problems nor feel lacking

[compact oyster]

<@&735928989146939404>

[main trellis]

More hacked accounts huh?

[compact oyster]

Yarp

[steel kite]

I'm playing havoc 38 & it feels good i just like two stabbing crushers lol

[main trellis]

Dumbasses be clincking on every link/install every file & expect no harm
Foolish pepegas

Human idiocy is a comedy of its own

[steel kite]

i don't click any links at all. not even from people I've had added for years on different platforms. it's just too risky with the amount of hacked accounts on platforms now.

[main trellis]

Funny that since the purge of bots on X i got plenty of ‚hot babes’ accounts recomended for me on FB

[steel kite]

twitter killing the amount of bots is so nice.
i make warhammer art & vtuber art & my most are spammed with scam links.

even with the filter update they still show up.

i just don't understand why people are dumb enough to fall for them.
i even knew the first time i saw them they were off.

[muted pivot]

I mean basic internet safety is so degraded now

When I was growing up it was "don't put any real information about yourself on the internet ever"

Now it's "upload your government ID every time you want to have a wank"

"otherwise you like Jimmy saville."

[steel kite]

doesn't bother me i don't look at that stuff & never will. in my country they blocked the online safety movement fully & they can't push it here.

i think at first they had the right picture but bothering for ID isn't right.
YES, i do understand they don't want younger people to look at that stuff. but they turned it into a data farm.
right idea, horrible people running the whole moment.

[ancient python]

easy way to solve problems with twitter is to not use twitter

[vapid jungle]

That shit is bad for you

[floral cape]

What blessings would you recommend for shivs (for melee build) since uncanny got pooped on?

precog and riposte?

[muted pivot]

I was using precog + riposte even before uncanny nerf

I think it was better before

and I think it's certainly better now.

[floral cape]

Yah, that makes sense.

[muted pivot]

Shivs have hilariously high crit scaling, and also shivs have a naturally excellent ADM into carapace so long as they crit

so I've always figured that pushing that highroll is the best path

since if you want reliable safe crusher killing you're probably also taking anti-crusher grenades and ranged anyway (anything except blackouts, + needle pistol)

[bronze glade]

can also do executor + riposte

[clear isle]

How's the grenade reduction hitting for my rocket and can users?

for me it kinda feels extra pockets is mandatory

[tranquil fjord]

pathing for extra pockets is more of the same

theyre still really powerful

[main trellis]

Maybe for chem cans but rockets no

Rockets are a situational answer
Chem cans are more usable in many more situations without the feel of wasting them like it would happen with rockets

[muted pivot]

Extra Pockets is certainly stronger than it was before

[main trellis]

They should have nerfed a bit more toxins and kept 3 quantity of chem cans
Instead we have the same situation with dogsplosion which is dogshit

The Krak Dilemma

[clear isle]

yeah I did feel like the loss of the 3rd can wasn't fair since I often use the cans more than the rockets

[main trellis]

And in many more situations too

[clear isle]

me watching both vet and arby get free breathing room grenades

[cedar halo]

just come back after about one year and noticed that we have 2 new classes now. is being a scum fun?

[muted pivot]

I absolutely love it

hyper aggro class

[livid raven]

best class until the next op class comes out

then it will be the worst class

[ancient basin]

attack fast, stack stamina, apply toxin to everything, free stims, excellent corruption cleansing, infinite ammo, zoom zoom dodge

in all, yeah its fun and strong

[spare elk]

zoom zoom class with no stagger but insane at everything else

[ancient basin]

dont need to CC if they are dead

but I hear ya

[spare elk]

havoc u cant kill everything fast enough imo

[ancient basin]

parry king all the bosses is bonus with Dclaw

I have no havoc experience but that tracks

I just stay on auric because I dont have a consistent squad to attempt havoc really

[dense hollow]

hive scum has a deceptive amount of stagger tools

and blackouts

[mighty belfry]

HB Dclaw my beloved...

[limber cradle]

@mighty belfry what do you run on HSword rn

[flat mist]

You dont need one

[mighty belfry]

Perfect Strike + Headtaker
Flak + Unyielding

[limber cradle]

Guessed right ty

[mighty belfry]

Havoc pubs is the true Havoc experience

[limber cradle]

I think post uncanny changes I'm more into shivs than knife again

[muted pivot]

I feel like headtaker/deathblow is pretty much locked in on heavy sword?

[keen sapphire]

i use the ignore hitmass on weakspot kill and headtaker

or whatever strength on hit it is

[muted pivot]

Yeah that's the ones I said

[mighty belfry]

It's good

But I'd rather have my crits bypass carapace

Since it means they also bypass bulwark shields

[ancient basin]

just relying on tox stacking and my agripna revolver for crushers atm

mostly for style over effectiveness

[brisk halo]

Renamed my scum to Sir-Tweeks-Alot

Rather proud of it actually

[neat delta]

Might rename my scum to Smegmaster

[bronze crown]

https://tenor.com/view/red-dwarf-lister-of-smeg-stoke-me-a-clipper-knight-craig-charles-gif-9329820888194419584

[marble seal]

I tried your build back to back with my usual adrenaline + brutal momentum one, it was hard to tell what difference brumo made

theres so much power and cleave it reaches singularity

[mighty belfry]

Brutal momentum just doesn't hit on this class imho

You already do so much damage and cleave as is and HV is filling in the spot for what BM is supposed to do anyway.

I'd rather just have my sword cleave things it normally shouldn't sometimes.

Def feels better on Vet and Zealot since those classes actually have to worry about cleave distribution.

Well, at least for Hsword.

[marble seal]

yeah that makes sense

[mighty belfry]

I was trying it with Chained Deathblow again but

The fact that I can actually cleave through Bulwark shields to actually hit things around them is such a quality of life improvement that it's hard to look past.

Plus I'm pretty sure PS also reduces hit mass a ton anyway.

[tranquil fjord]

chained deathblow would be better if hypercrit worked with it

[marble seal]

just pretend it does

ez

[flat lotus]

so which shivs mark do we like the most here

im probably going to swap to the mk1 tbh

[gray fable]

"we?"

[flat lotus]

Yes. The hive mind

The hive mind of Hive Scum

[mighty belfry]

mk3... combat knife

[gray fable]

...its with pointy heavies

dont remember marks cause who the fuck remembers them

[flat lotus]

I HATE THE COMBAT KNIFE!!! NEVER!!!!!!

[bronze crown]

Yes the ones that look twisty are the best.

[bronze glade]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-gif-15058124

[flat lotus]

its true

[flat lotus]

its awful i hate it

i feel like im just giving enemies a shave

[mint valve]

Then you clearly arent using the right build or blessings

Cuz i can 2 tap every elite 1tap most specialists (aside from the bumass crusher)

The burst damage is arguably more threatening than shivs are

Solely bc the movement speed lets you pull some crazy shit

[mighty belfry]

Been running Riposte/Precog with it

The crits

THE CRITS

[north saddle]

Is there a release date for the new class yet?

[keen sapphire]

2 days (if the reveal is even one)

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/terminator-skull-crush-gif-12359855

[jaunty sail]

how much did they nerf the vraks iag hiver?

havent played sicne like

uhhh long ago

[north saddle]

I wonder, what area of gameplay, what specific role, would a skitarii occupy? Because we already have so much overlap.

[mental igloo]

aoe toughness generation ult

[muted pivot]

Ult with a dash

And maybe one which makes you shootier too

[limber cradle]

Ult that auto kills everything on the map

[jaunty sail]

lmao whatever it is it will be broken for like a month or 2

and then they will patch it

and then ppl will drop the review for tide to mostly negative

[main trellis]

Mk6 has pointy stab push & vanguard heavies
Mk3 has overhead push attack
There you go

[muted pivot]

I hate how the mark 3 feels much more natural but is apparently bad

[tranquil fjord]

the mk3 can have better single target dps but the mk6 is already pretty good

and the vanguard heavies are pretty useful

[unreal stirrup]

mk6 have better single target

better horde clear

mk3 have better non stamina consuming single target

not like you can't just spam mk6 heavy if you want to conserve stamina anyway because mega finnese

[tranquil fjord]

i liked using the special for combos before but im not sure if its optimal

[main trellis]

When you have 0,5s stamina regen delay you can spam push att anyways without a delay
Soo… every class can do it

[astral canyon]

Except vet if you dont take the subnode on the bottom left

[main trellis]

Thats why i said every class cause vet can still; just take that grey node (a sad tax)

[vestal pelican]

Is it worth ever using the brittleness coating on the bone saw

[livid raven]

not really

maybe if you see a crusher group in a chill moment

[gray sail]

it takes a bit too long to switch so usually when its hectic the dps increase isn't worth it

[livid raven]

what do the shitty dual stubs run as blessings and perks

[main trellis]

Flak + Maniac/Unyielding/Reload Spd (maybe cause long reload for such a weapon)
Run & Gun + Desperado (preferably)/Sustained Fire

[livid raven]

wow i hate them

[low harbor]

Maniac, flak, run&gun, sustained fire

[main trellis]

Desperado better than sustained if you use it on a crit build

[low harbor]

Ye tho this gun is usually melee backup

It’s a decent sidearm

[main trellis]

And most melee builds are?
Thats right; Crit builds

[main trellis]

Reload spd should be… shorter…

[low harbor]

Not Rashad

[low harbor]

It’s like 2s, pretty fast

[main trellis]

3s mah man

[low harbor]

Just feels bad given small mag size and high ish fire rate

[main trellis]

Its literally the same story with bruhautos… sadly…

[low harbor]

Nah this gun is better than braced auto

It at least shoots relatively straight

[livid raven]

i'm running rashad

[main trellis]

I mean obviously
It was the ‚high firerate & overall spam potential vs reload spd’ type shit

[livid raven]

i'd rather not use a gun than use the damned brauto

[flat lotus]

blaze away/pinning fire or blaze away/speedload for DAP

im honestly torn

[astral canyon]

more raw damage or more uptime for desperado

[low harbor]

Blaze away + run&gun

It’s not good at stagger so PF value is meh

[flat lotus]

why run n gun

[low harbor]

Reduced spread

[flat lotus]

i just use sticky hands

[low harbor]

Yea, take both

[flat lotus]

you can already basically snipe with sticky hands

sounds redundant

[low harbor]

It’s quite a bit more accurate with run&gun

[livid raven]

it's pretty good at staggering shitties

it's free damage

[rough peak]

If path is recommending run and gun then it's probably a good thing to take, he knows his stuff when it comes to darktide x.x

Path lives and breathes darktide

[flat lotus]

thats fair

i just dont really have much of an issue with the spread as is

though i could see where itd be useful

[rough peak]

At the end of the day it's your choice, but, there are going to be circumstances where you will see the lack of having it more than likely x.x

When I don't have dance of death on the zealot with the autopistol it's 10x harder to get that 60m+ sniper snipe with it(tho for me it's a quality of life thing, rather than something I think I need)

Back when it was always taken due to being right before twbs I got a mentric ton of use out of it, without even realizing it until afterwards(this was before the zealot talent tree overhaul)

Having that -75% spread and -50% recoil activate from dodging lets you do things with the autopistol that you shouldn't be able to do :3

[flat lotus]

was talking about duals not shredder

[rough peak]

I know, it's just a somewhat similar example rather than an example with that weapon. The increased ability to aim really helps in those situations where you're pinned and can only pull out your gun for a minute amount of time to try to shoot the sniper trying to shoot you from a bajillion miles away

both weapons mostly similar

besides one being crit and one being non-crit, I meant with the aim

[heavy compass]

Guys new cosmetics in two days

Finally

[low harbor]

I don't

[rough peak]

I stand corrected

[bronze crown]

Really what leaked?

[heavy compass]

Nothing bur reddit predicted it for skulls

[bronze crown]

I heard some stuff there too but is it going to be stuff for all classes or are the first to DLCs getting snubbed?

[astral canyon]

dlc classes are prob never getting new cosmetics

[tranquil fjord]

admech and hive scum have some leeway for cosmetics

but will they act upon it, eh

[heavy compass]

I need a wacky wednesday aribiter costume

[tranquil fjord]

yknow i never considered that arbites could have undercover uniforms as cosmetics

but thats never going to happen

[ancient basin]

heavy overlap of GW and tencent oversight most likely hampering any cosmetics

[twilit valve]

is there any remedy for higher difficulties when it just feel like to much? like i think my build can technically handle everything but like im getting tired of the 13th trapper

[winter tusk]

Learning enemy priority, positioning, dodge timing and regulation, core combat fundamentals are the only thing that gets you higher in difficulties beyond a certain point.

enemy spawns are a bit whack right now as well, theres more specialist in general as far as I know

[twilit valve]

ok, since generally i can last like 10 even 20 minutes, just it feels less like its my skill and more the game decides its the time to go down

[winter tusk]

this game isn't super well explained in a lot of aspects. Dodging isn't just something you do occasionally, eventually you're doing it non-stop, and within time of enemy attacks

the balancing act is not spamming it, because you cant, it wont let you, thats the rhythm to learn

unfortunately too, you'll get specials that you're not going to see, audio is vital

Hive scum its even more true for that generally, hive scum needs good dodges without taking hits accidently

[spare elk]

Until audio fails u

[twilit valve]

thats more what i feel

[winter tusk]

Its more rare than youd think

a lot of times people get tunnel visioned

[twilit valve]

i can carry whole missions sometimes and its not always it happens but sometimes it just feels like its decided you lose

[winter tusk]

mostly happens with lots of bursters these days

get spidey sense

[spare elk]

Pretty common in havoc

Even on auric I still get it

[twilit valve]

4 me its the trapper shooting through burster explosion but you dodge trapper then second trapper then third trapper but 4th trapper gets u when u snag on a wall and 11 bursters immidiatly congo line to your location

im trying to get auric storm survivor maybe thats also a source of frustration

[winter tusk]

auric usually has waves of specials so that tracks. enemy spawns are likely whack in some way if i had to guess as well.

maelstrom anyway

[twilit valve]

its exclusivly auric maelstroms this happens all the other stuff im generally good, (i havent been able to play havoc since i like playing solo and that gamemode is hard gatekept by that)

[winter tusk]

its the specialst modifier then most likely

[twilit valve]

its mainly specialist waves + mostly melee funnily enough

[winter tusk]

waves of specialists does that, literally gives 3-5 of each thing, sometimes multiple groups at a time

[twilit valve]

idk why mostly melee translates to 55 flamethrowers, 55 trappers, 55 snipers, 55 fries

[spare elk]

Ghost melee pings from behind

[winter tusk]

yep, gotta save that ammo for those scenarios

[twilit valve]

truly xD

[winter tusk]

use all melee for the armor

[twilit valve]

never run outta ammo since this class has the unlimited ammo bs

[winter tusk]

cant reach out with those smgs though, i usually use the pistols for specialists

[twilit valve]

i run pistols with run n gun and the weapon swap talent so my hipfire is super small for dealing with specialists

[winter tusk]

yep, really good way to do it. special attack makes it so tight as well

https://tenor.com/view/tight-tight-gif-6396435647108975705

[twilit valve]

tbh i run both since it means i dont need to wait for special attack since a lot of the time it feels like me and the sniper pop eachother when i wind it up

but it do be TOIGHT

[winter tusk]

good thing for snipers is to learn their timing and just bait the shot, dodge at the last second. gives you that little window to trade

[twilit valve]

snipers mostly get me when they sneak a shot in the small pause between me dodging and starting the next dodge

does sniper resist have any breakpoints for HS hp?

like will i survive a shot if i run resist at 1 wound

[winter tusk]

Hmm. Not sure, ive seen people run it on other classes while practicing the timing.

[twilit valve]

one good thing is running just 1 or 2 hp perks and 1 corrupt resist does wonders to prevent unnessicary deaths to a stray overhead or attack

[muted pivot]

On that note, Desperado makes snipers hilarious

[near mauve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1349378242703917136/1506441702032805908/BOOMBRINGER.mp4?ex=6a0eef6a&is=6a0d9dea&hm=80c03b656275b4857ccb7e7c30a9f29c351230ea0c2a3a8a7ce58353f29f78d5&

[flat lotus]

Darktide classic

Yeah I've had stealth bursters many times

[livid raven]

yeah it's insane lately

i'm there meleeing an horde, mulching people

and suddendly something explodes in my face

[vestal pelican]

Is uncanny strike still worth running on shivs after the nerf?

[tranquil fjord]

if youre not on a rampage ability build then yes

its still good for desperado or chem box builds

[vestal pelican]

What would you swap in for rampage builds? Im running it w/ riposte

[astral canyon]

precog or executor

[vestal pelican]

Also how should i be building my stimm lab ? Just going all in on finesse damage?

Or is cooldown good too

[astral canyon]

cooldown is good but you have to use it while your ability isnt up

pretty much every branch works

[muted pivot]

I like finesse + toughness

I guess if you go 4 stack chem dependency then just take finesse only, but otherwise I like having a stronger stimm

[low harbor]

no

[low harbor]

riposte + precog/executor

[main wagon]

Dodge blessings very good on the class with juiced dodges that is always dodging

I also do this bc I’m never paying attention to the bottom of my screen enough to watch for specific procs lol

[flat mist]

Do what

[main wagon]

Pay attention to most proc’s

I just stack passives. Like on Arbites, I’m not actually thinking about stagger, it’s just happening from playing the class

Similar concept but for Scum and dodging lol

[tranquil fjord]

if youre not attacking, but youre in the enemies' face, then you're probably dodging

[main wagon]

Yup and theoretically if you’re always dodging, then precog + riposte are just always active

I mean the second you stop dodging on Scum, you’re reduced to atoms anyways

[limber cradle]

Using nimble+jittery+knife+whatever the movement stimm is called and entering a state where I move exclusively through dodges

[main wagon]

Honestly it’s faster side dashing off ledges than just running lmao

You catch so much hang time

[void stag]

Hey outside of BIG ROCKET GO BRRRRR
is the pocket sand grenade any good for general use?

[limber cradle]

My go to is black out+chem stacks personally

Good util

[void stag]

Okay thanks lol ive been running chem nade but ill try a blackout build

[limber cradle]

It offers nice control the other nades don't

[main wagon]

Pocket sand is great for almost anything, Soup is great for locking down a choke, and Rocket is an “OHSHIT” button for Ogryn spam

Hive Scum is blessed with good nades

[limber cradle]

Good nades, good auras, good abilities

Good keystones

[livid raven]

i think we will see nerfs in the upcoming months

[main wagon]

I honestly think they’re afraid of touching the DLC classes too much because people flood the forums with baby tears

They (some players) were so dramatic about the Pickpocket change recently lol

Oh poor baby, you have to punch a dog in between your gunzerker rampages

[livid raven]

well yeah gun builds all died

but i think scum will see a steady rythm of nerfs, like arbites

something small each time

[mighty belfry]

wot

[livid raven]

feels like shit to play compared to before

worse than melee

yeah i'd say they ate shit

[mighty belfry]

...barely anything changed except you have to hit something close up. which, is a change i suppose but like

gun scum is still fine lol

[livid raven]

definitely isn't

[keen sapphire]

gun builds dead on scum? lol

[woeful hill]

True

[mighty belfry]

idk how killing an elite or specialist in melee is this hard of an ask lmfao

[woeful hill]

I killed them

[keen sapphire]

scum is still some of the strongest gun build

cause true infinite ammo

with no cd

[mighty belfry]

It's still insanely strong. And the one thing it was actually weak against

Their spawns got nerfed

[keen sapphire]

run twin stubber and not even armor matters

[mighty belfry]

So they're arguably even better now

[keen sapphire]

not stubber

stub

dual stub

dual stub is really underrated imo

people act like its bad but its got good ass crit bonus and armor pen from that

[mighty belfry]

Dual stubs are cool but they're not really for ranged builds ime

they're better as a melee sidearm

[keen sapphire]

theyre crazy strong with desperado and vulture

[slender fiber]

Show us on your index finger where the stub pistols hurt you.

[keen sapphire]

not crit build

[livid raven]

i don't see how you deal with hordes with those

[keen sapphire]

1. infinite ammo

2. high damage and cleave

[livid raven]

you got 14 shots and the other options also cleave with the blessings

[keen sapphire]

literally only time i use melee on my DSP build is to refill ammo with pickpocket

otherwise im excusively using the pistols

and this was my first build to break 1mil damage

[slender fiber]

18 shots with increased clip size (which you are using on gun scum)

[mighty belfry]

Stubs aren't terrible at horde clear tbh

I just think there are better options really for a ranged heavy build

[keen sapphire]

i dunno theyre fun af to use

[mighty belfry]

Yeah, i see that.

I like em

[keen sapphire]

the biggest downside is that its semiauto

[livid raven]

yeah but i'd like to use something good tho

[keen sapphire]

i was giving myself carpal tunnel by playing it for a few days

[mighty belfry]

I just never felt they were all that great specificallty for desperado

[keen sapphire]

dsp are good

[livid raven]

you don't use automod?

[slender fiber]

Stubs are great on desp if you treat it like a headhunter. Things tear through elites and specials.

[keen sapphire]

i dont like the feeling of it

but i had tried it

also tried automelee but that is so fucked

[livid raven]

skitarii?

[keen sapphire]

idk how anyone would use it

[livid raven]

or is there a mod that melees an elite for you

[keen sapphire]

theres a mod for full auto and auto melee

but the auto melee is basically just hold m1 to spam lights or heavies

it fucks up any combos

[slender fiber]

The best part of that mod (Skitarius) is the setting for heavy attacks where you can set them to automatically trigger once buffs like Thrust are fully charged.

[keen sapphire]

🤔

[livid raven]

you can make it so that heavies go out as soon as they can too

[slender fiber]

Also auto-firing on fully charged helbore and plasma gun attacks.

[livid raven]

but i wouldn't charge for thrust anyway

or use thrust at all

[keen sapphire]

thrustgryn

on branx

[slender fiber]

Thunder hammer too.

Thrust thunder hammer doesn't care about armor types. All enemies are either dead or not against it.

It's a niche blessing, but one of those where when it's good, it's good.

[flat lotus]

It feels like business as usual to me.

The only thing I've noticed is that Pickpocket is not as disgusting as it was

It's still an auto take for Desperado regardless

[livid raven]

Yes

[flat lotus]

I think it's time I put down the twin uzis for once and actually seriously build Rampage

What are some suggested weapons for it

I know you can run a lot of things with Rampage and play well

[flat lotus]

I still strongly prefer DAP over Vraks

Though the Vraks is a top tier choice for Desperado

[livid raven]

Rashad

Tacaxe

[flat lotus]

rashad is funny

[livid raven]

Shivs

Anything really

[flat lotus]

i've never actually used the tacaxe ever

whats different from the combat axe

[livid raven]

Mobility comparable to the knife

Faster attack speed, arguably

[mighty belfry]

Fast.

Lot of crits.

Brutal Momentum.

[livid raven]

Yeah it's also heavy on finesse

[flat lotus]

I LOVE BRUTAL MOMENTUM!!!

[mighty belfry]

Hyperviolence.

[livid raven]

Rashad had that too but yeah

[mighty belfry]

Tac axe arguably

I feel just because it does have that mobility, I'd consider that a trait over Rashad enough for me to think it's better regardless of how stupid Rashad is.

Even if I know, by pure numbers, Rashad on this class is disgusting.

[flat lotus]

what about the ranged for rampage

i see a lot of needle users

[mighty belfry]

I run bolt pistol

[livid raven]

SNeedler, bolt pistol or stub

[flat lotus]

i

[mighty belfry]

Use it to increase blackout radius.

[flat lotus]

forgot this class has bolt pistol

lol

[livid raven]

You should try it with desperado

Unironically

[mighty belfry]

it's genuinely really good, but you do lose the sustainability of boss damage without needler

But needler is also boring to use all the time

[flat lotus]

ive never used needler

whats up with that

[livid raven]

Really strong dot that does a lot of steady damage to bosses and can kill crushers somewhat fast

[mighty belfry]

It will take 5 business days, but a select few shots can reliably kill up to crushers

[livid raven]

And two shots shred elites/specials

[mighty belfry]

Hyperbole but it's just extremely consistent at what it does. And it works against everything pretty much.

[livid raven]

With the exception of dogs

[mighty belfry]

And also requires literally no ranged investment to be good at what it does

I had a moment there

[livid raven]

Also you can still pick pickpocket

[flat lotus]

i rarely get jumped by dogs or hit by trappers anymore

bursters, however

[livid raven]

It's just one talent point

Bursters are just bugged

[flat lotus]

the humble stealth burster

[keen sapphire]

was trying out a new arbie build i did in havoc

got barreled into 4 bursters

coming from both sides

in a hallway

or maybe it was like 5

anyways i got nuked

[flat lotus]

i got smacked between two bosses like a volleyball and then flung right into a burster train

happened last havoc i played today...

[livid raven]

Was doing a chill auric qhen we reachee the stairs

There was a horde, i fleed because i knew what was going to happen, all three teammates got exploded and flung out of the map

Had to deal woth the horde and rescue all three

[keen sapphire]

on whatever map has the spiral staircase that you have to wait for it to come down

on the staircase up to there

ive been kicked off by captains

i think 3 times

[flat lotus]

does the needle pistol dump damage

aka is it a flamer situation with the dot

[keen sapphire]

yea needler is only dot

however flamer imo u dont dump damage

since it can still be buffed by other ranged stuff

since its direct blast IS ranged

it wont make it super strong but it does make a difference

and its mobility is already kinda shit

[flat lotus]

wow first try

so uh

none of the blessings on this thing really... synergize with it at all

[keen sapphire]

idr what it even has

i think i did run and gun and something else

since run and gun is like the only thing that benefits it

remotely

[flat lotus]

r&g and stripped down maybe??

i dont know

none of these are particularly good for what this is for

[keen sapphire]

theres not really any blessings that help it to begin with

brittle probably but thatd be even stronger than it already is

[flat lotus]

gloryhunter maybe but that doesnt trigger off of dot, does it

its just the actual hit

[livid raven]

Yeah

[keen sapphire]

i think that might be what i put on it

just in the offchance the DOT did trigger it

[livid raven]

It really doesn't matter

The stats don't matter either

They could have made some custom blessings

[flat lotus]

yeah im just gonna do run n gun and desperado

[livid raven]

Alas, lazy asses

[flat lotus]

that might have some niche uses

[livid raven]

Yeah, critting has some marginal benefits

[keen sapphire]

i suppose desperado and vulture would still work on it to some extent

since ranged crits grant ranged invuln

[livid raven]

He meant desperado blessing

[keen sapphire]

o

[livid raven]

I know, hard to remember there is such a blessing

[keen sapphire]

well my point stands

might not be particularly good to use for needler

but itd work

[livid raven]

Sneedler feels so

[flat lotus]

THIS THING MELTS CARAPACE WHAT THE FUCK

[livid raven]

Bad to use i wouldn't wish it on anybody

Also go for headshots/weakspots

[flat lotus]

wow that DoT is rancid

[livid raven]

You apply more stacks

[flat lotus]

alrighty

now where's a rampage build i can copy because i can't think for myself

[muted pivot]

Do the mark 2 and it can also be used as a long range flamer

[main trellis]

Never use needler with desperado ability; big waste

[main trellis]

Lol melee on HS does not do that at all huh

[unique dagger]

melee hive scum very weak

trust me

no cap fr

very very weak

[main wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/pv-mali-opa-sus-mmmmm-gif-10606384330455453421

[flat mist]

Kuli confirmed bad at tide

[unique dagger]

its just hive scum is too op

he was on arby I think

[flat mist]

Cops are the worst its true

[main trellis]

He was not using arby nades
Or better yet; Captain Blast Build

Thats why low dmg

[livid raven]

In how many hours is skull btw

[low harbor]

Like 5?

[livid raven]

Shitarii in 5 hours

[nova valley]

Is there any real statement about skitarii/admech this time or is it an overhyped rumor again?

[gray fable]

it is an overhyped rumor

[gray sail]

current event

and also some leaks

[astral canyon]

Leaks, many other 40k projects pushing mechanicus related stuff (mainly rogue trader dlc, mechanicus 2), expeditions

[gray sail]

and that

[gray fable]

but yeah, so many things show that its just gonna be machines

[nova valley]

Mmmhhh... I'll believe it when I see it. Maybe third time's the charm, cause I saw the same lvl of proof right before the last two class came out

[astral canyon]

No lmao

[nocturne plover]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[astral canyon]

Last two classes had 0 reason to believe it would be admech

[nocturne plover]

its 100% skitarii next class

ill eat my lasgun if its not

[nova valley]

When arby came out I remember lots of ppl saying the opposite

Also

[nocturne plover]

You can trust me

im an impartial observer

[astral canyon]

Tbf i only joined after arbites launch but i have no idea of anything that could point towards admech during that time

[nocturne plover]

leaks

also

[astral canyon]

What leaks

[nocturne plover]

this whole pivot ofbeyond the hive tech stuff

[nocturne plover]

they have been leaked and supressed

[astral canyon]

Im talking about arbites launch

[nocturne plover]

but it has been confirmed

oh not arbites

im talking about admech class reveal in 4 hours

[gray sail]

i hope the trailer shows admech of some kind coming in and then it gets sniped by a ratling who is revealed to be the real class

[nova valley]

With arby it was leaks regarding the vox skull and the mace (pointing at the one skitarri vanguard have)

[astral canyon]

Just that?

[nocturne plover]

this time its leaks of actual weapons

[nova valley]

After that the meme was created as every creator was constantly sayin some datamined stuff was CLEARLY pointin at skitarii

[nocturne plover]

trust me

its admech this time

[nova valley]

Nah that is just what I remember

[astral canyon]

Also lots of mechanicus related content being pushed on other 40k projects

Including in darktide itself with expeditions and current event

[nova valley]

With HS too some claimed to have damined stuff. I remember that someone was SURE about mech being next class cause the crowbar was called engineseer crowbar

There was someone also spreading bullshit about rumors and other 40k projects about admech

[astral canyon]

We didnt even know there was going to be a crowbar before the trailer

None of the datamined stuff from scum pointed towards admech at all

[nova valley]

I agree... But nonetheless, ppl claiming admech is next class since first new class released

I'll be happy when I see a well made admech-themed class in DT, but until I see it, or I see an official "We are making it", I will not gaslight myself

[nocturne plover]

coward

[nova valley]

I just noticed your name btw

[nova valley]

Damned 10/10 movie and movie reference.

How to like your post more?

[nocturne plover]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-wh40k-imperium-of-man-adeptus-mechanicus-mechanicus-gif-1633196030595994455

Me rn:

[shut creek]

Does it say anywhere how much Flourish empowers the next shot for the dual pistols?

[fast surge]

Lol no

Not in-game anyway

[tranquil fjord]

iirc it doesnt empower them except for some more stagger

[fast surge]

No I'm pretty sure they get extra finesse

In addition to the pinpoint accuracy

[gray sail]

they 100% get more finesse

[astral canyon]

Extra finesse and damage

And crit chance

[flat lotus]

who the heck said this

[main trellis]

It was sarcastic

[flat lotus]

chem dependency rampage is crazy

[north saddle]

I only got disinformation so far by a buddy

And the rumors of admech

What exactly are we getting? Is it confirmed?

[fast surge]

Nope

Just wait like an hour

[muted pivot]

Most of our melees just do a lot better when chem dep than with adren

[flat lotus]

Eldar Ranger

[muted pivot]

Basically everything apart from like combat axe, probably chain axe and crowbar?

[flat lotus]

I started running shivs with it and it's crazy

[fast surge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914161923334214/1507047733607927818/image.png?ex=6a107b13&is=6a0f2993&hm=364daf4fb7595e9586a2c970d0dd95c532ab1bdfedfbe3e5b848a8b2a44767e7&

[flat lotus]

AI

[fast surge]

No, skitarii are not ai

[muted pivot]

Shivs for sure definitely prefer chem dep

[flat lotus]

It was already confirmed to be Eldar Ranger. Very sorry

[muted pivot]

Finesse is crazy on them

[fast surge]

Mechanicus would like a word

[muted pivot]

Best to triple down on it with all the crit and finesse buffs you can get

[astral canyon]

idk about that necessarily

adrenaline is still a good amount of raw damage and attack speed

plus passive toughness gen

[fast surge]

Did you see that in a dream?

[gray sail]

wait

the steam page is up lol

even the deluxe is right there

[verbal dew]

saber fucked up and showed the entire stream before it even started on the main page

[pearl flame]

Skittles for everyone

[livid raven]

skitari?

skitari

[pearl flame]

skibiditari

[livid raven]

can't wait to give it a negative review

[dense hollow]

"p2w class" "too fragile"

[livid raven]

i usually just write whatever i like and then put a negative review anyway

[flat lotus]

@low harbor im not really sure who else to ask so i thought id ping you

do you have any crazy rashad builds? ive been wanting to try it

idk if it gets more mileage with chem dependency or adrenaline

[low harbor]

adrenaline

it's extreme brainrot on hive scum

u get >power sword DPS with none of power sword's downsides

[flat lotus]

i had a gut feeling it would be adrenaline considering how it applies

do you have an example build for it

[low harbor]

adjust according to ur preferences

secondary is boltpistol for the blackout explosion radius

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/9458139782373615185/FA739C77DC386A832DFE8FE00DA40E535D5B4F76/

[flat lotus]

no nimble?

also, what blessings/perks for the rashad

[low harbor]

if I get dodge buffs I feel like it's too good

unarmored/flak + carapace for me
u can do unyielding flak on it for hive scum tbh

carapace is just nicer for maulers

[flat lotus]

im gonna do momentum headtaker

[low harbor]

BM headtaker yea

[flat lotus]

huh no channeled aggression

actually it might not be needed

[low harbor]

wats dat

[flat lotus]

dat one

[low harbor]

don't need it, part of why combat axe is so stupidly op on hive scum is because it has really good ADMs already so it can skip this (and it doesn't need extra cleave from battering strikes)

100% maniac ADM
200% unyielding ADM
118.48% flak ADM
90.12% carapace ADM

[flat lotus]

Ah.

I love numbers

[flat lotus]

what blessings and perks do you use on the bolt pistol

[low harbor]

Maniac, flak, puncture, lethal prox, collateral dump

Axe is mobility dump

[flat lotus]

oh thats the exact thing i use on my zealot bp

joyous

wait

wasnt there only one bp mark

i dont remember a 2nd one

[low harbor]

They added VI

[limber cradle]

So it's a bit like Ogryn

I'm ngl I was amazed they kept getting 6 VAs

Seems like it costs a lot to get 6 people in the studio everytime a class gets new lines

[main trellis]

Mob dump mah guy

[low harbor]

it's collat

[main trellis]

If you dump colla you can’t stagger reapers

[low harbor]

still can tho

[main trellis]

Its worse tho

[low harbor]

it's still stagger capable

maybe 0.1~0.2s shorter stagger

collat just is irrelevant

[main trellis]

Its worse cause you can’t chain it; they resist it

[low harbor]

a 0.6 sprint bonus weapon is more useful

[main trellis]

Its good
But not better than being able to stop an enemy from killing you

[low harbor]

reaper has 1.5s stagger immune after light stagger, the collateral difference is negligible

[main trellis]

Its enough to being able to stun it so it stops shooting you

With 60 colla he ignores you

And you/teammate dies

[low harbor]

sounds like bad players

[gray sail]

staggering is bad because it moves their head = lower dps

[flat lotus]

this is true

[shrewd marlin]

Is battering strikes required for mk1 shivs at high havoc? What about when rampage is on cd or im running stimm box?

[rare grotto]

are there any differences between a short scum and a tall scum?
Like, Zealot and Vet can jump and hit over bulwark shields if they jump and are at max height.

[mighty belfry]

You essentially answered your own question

It's the same thing

Easier to hit heads.

[main trellis]

and if it don't it keeps shooting & you die; lower DPS take is diabolical

[rare grotto]

that's with specific weapons though (i.e. THammer, Helbore) I wouldn't take max height Psyker because GFSword can't hit bulwark heads over shield anyways

I don't think Cbar or saw can hit over shields, and I haven't seen anyone try to use jumping with shivs to avoid bulwark shields, so if scum doesn't have a specific combo, I'm going to go for a scrawny scum instead of a lanky one

[light phoenix]

I heard somewhere Scum is gonna be afraid of Skitarii?

[floral wedge]

What's the ideal playstyle for hive scum? Just bought them and I genuinely have no clue how they play

never really see people playing scum so I have no base to start

[flat mist]

There's hundreds of videos on youtube

[woeful hill]

whatever is most fun for you

if enemy die

and you live

then good

[floral wedge]

is it a zealot style class?

jumping elite enemies and what not?

[woeful hill]

again, its whatever you want it to be. No class has a distinct "role". It's however you want to play them, all classes are versatile

if enemy die
and you live
then good

[sonic pumice]

would anyone be kind enought to point me where i can see actually good builds for Hscum? I need to remake some of the ones i had, but idk where to seek that is up to date

[floral wedge]

My word this is fun

just play like I'm on crack

[lethal quartz]

ok this event is silly af

[flat mist]

Lead class designer is called gooner

[honest berry]

me putting gooner resistance on all my 3 curio

[arctic imp]

shivs with toxin on crit talent or bonesaw better for pure tox build?

[bronze crown]

Summoning is epic Tolkien Black metal. 🤘 🧝

[light phoenix]

Gunner spotted!

[flat lotus]

They're all good. This class is quite strong. Pick your flavor and run with it

My personal favorite is Blackout/Deperado/Vulture's Mark with Shivs & Dual Autopistols.

You can do a lot of powerful builds that are fun

Like with Rampage I have chem dependency shivs and adrenaline rashad

I personally don't really care for Supply but I know it can be good.

[patent bone]

GUNNER?!?

[light phoenix]

Problem with Dual Autopistols is that my screen shakes so much that I get dizzy

[main trellis]

Rly? You get sick from a screen shake?

[craggy stream]

Hivescum can get a lot of attack speed correct?

[flat mist]

No

@main trellis hivescum can get a biblical shitload of attack speed you fivehead

[main trellis]

I’m a hydra ok; don’t insult my genes

[livid raven]

What is the event, again?

Isn't it just normal game with totems

[gray sail]

break the big pillars for buffs and to increase enemy spawns

[livid raven]

Do we have the numbers? I didn't really notice any more enemies or buffs

[gray sail]

uhh i think someone posted them at some point but i forgot where

but its a lot of move speed

and i think DR

you just have to be in coherency to get them

[astral canyon]

Move speed, dr, attack speed and damage

[livid raven]

Oh so that's why i was feeling speedy

[main trellis]

Sadly no reload spd

Still insane

[livid raven]

Damn that's crazy, thanks

[wide burrow]

i think chain axe MIGHT be a bit of an overkill for damage

[split halo]

too bad this class is abandonware and cant get outfits like these

[zenith fern]

You missed on inquisitorial agents mate

Theres literally Enforcers and steel legion available rn lol

[split halo]

[uncut torrent]

Hello fellow scum I'm a new member of the scum community and I'm wondering how the stim works what does viscosity have mean and how much skill points should I typically put into my stim?

[astral canyon]

viscosity is just how many points you have spent on your stimm

the more stuff you put on the stimm the longer the cooldown

honestly with the current tree there isnt really much reason to not max out the stimms

[uncut torrent]

Oh ok so max it out? Am i able to do that?

[astral canyon]

max it out as in spend all the points

[uncut torrent]

Oh I see

[zenith fern]

Honestly i did made builds with and without the stimm and legit with how currently strong scum is, the stimm is almost not needed

to make a difference because the buffs of the tree already does it so much

[uncut torrent]

Well what I have it on rn is attack speed lol my knifes swing so fast in rampage

What's a worse dump stat first target or mobility? Cause they both seem useless asf but idk which one sucks more

[limber cradle]

Never dump first target

[uncut torrent]

Why

[zenith fern]

mobility

knives themselves already have plenty of mobility and dodge range

without including scum dodge talents

[astral canyon]

its damage

[uncut torrent]

Yeah but only on the first target though, I don't see why it'll be useful

[astral canyon]

because its the first target

unless your attack misses there will always be a first target

[gentle hearth]

is nimble or alley rat better

[wide burrow]

not the one that gives distance

[gentle hearth]

got it

ty ty

is crit or melee dmg better for aura

[astral canyon]

nimble mostly unless the weapon doesnt have good dodge distance at base (eg heavy sword)

[wide burrow]

melee damage

[gentle hearth]

[astral canyon]

depends on what youre running

[gentle hearth]

gonna focus melee

[dense hollow]

mobility & defences are the universal dump stat that you can't really go wrong with

[astral canyon]

what melee

[gentle hearth]

is long lasting (+5 stimm duraton) and blessed stimms (kills clear corruption) both good to take?

[dense hollow]

only one

so you can path down

[gentle hearth]

just got scum but saw looks quite good

[astral canyon]

only take one cause youre forced to

[gentle hearth]

in the builder it lets me take both lol

rip

[astral canyon]

lol

lmao

saw is ass

[astral canyon]

you can take both

[dense hollow]

you can take both but there's no reason to because they're both bad

[astral canyon]

but you shouldnt

[gentle hearth]

is free corruption clear not good? stimm duration is good as well i thought?

[fallow sentinel]

i only bought hive scum for the dual stub pistols what do i put on it

[astral canyon]

blessed cant cleanse corruption from a fully corrupted wound and long lasting is only extending the duration from 15s to 20s but its still on a 75s cooldown

[gray fable]

crit on dodge + less bulletspread

[astral canyon]

and the longer stimm duration also means it takes longer for the cooldown to start

[dense hollow]

clearing small amounts of corruption isn't going to heal the hp you lost

[uncut torrent]

Ok thank you for letting me know

[astral canyon]

theres a reason that before the layout changes most people skipped both nodes in favor of a flat +25 toughness

[dense hollow]

at most you'll be healing a bit more from a healing box