hivescum-class

[manic wolf]

Stroke*, see? Even thinking about it is a problem!

[unique spire]

Nerd

Let the crocodile speak incorrectly

That's how crocodiles talk

[astral canyon]

its an alligator

or a caiman

[brittle sierra]

https://youtube.com/shorts/EHQENgxYXPM?si=gOLKcV-qsByNNCP9

[south magnet]

if you close your eyes and think hard enough, its the sound of someone taking a poop

[main wagon]

I grew up with PC games but every friend had an Xbox so I had to learn controller. It was like being raised as a left handed catholic

[delicate topaz]

I always jump shot my greatbow shots

I love using a great bow on raider in d5, it’s niche but on certain enemies it’s awesome

[warm axle]

raider in nightreign got me leaning into the maniac playstyle, i loved it.

greatbow is spectacular for those enemies that refuse to stay in melee*.

ive saved many a run just keeping one on me and plink plonking away

[tranquil fjord]

i mean aiming jumpshots

just not possible on ligght bows anymore

[iron saddle]

This is me trying to use a MnK.

[muted pivot]

Finally figured out the trick to hypervigiliance on tac axe - just spam light attacks on trash near the boss while under all buffs and you'll just start cleaving insane damage onto it with every swing

it actually has a point to all the combos, all-horizontal, all-vertical, all-heavy and all-light. What a cool weapon.

[flat mist]

Vigiliance

[muted pivot]

hyperviolence lol

thanks autocorrect

[flat mist]

Best part is autocorrect not spelling hypervigilance correctly

[muted pivot]

Probably because I misspelled it too many times myself

Or maybe brain autocorrect

[manic wolf]

Don't even have to spam lights, take stam attack speed node, use whatever swing you need at any given time

TacAxe is goated for HV abuse

Also. Make sure you spec Splash Damage

More DoT spread = less enemy HP to inevitably oneshot = bigger HV proc

[muted pivot]

Love it, scummy combustion

[unreal stirrup]

scumbustion

[main trellis]

Isn’t that done by poxbursters already

[unreal stirrup]

unc go to sleep

[main trellis]

I wish… can’t… cause work…

[worn portal]

wait, is papa unc the youtuber?

[main trellis]

Unc as in THE Unc or Unc as in Uncle

[worn portal]

huh, my coworkers call me that

[main trellis]

The question remains

[manic wolf]

Sounds so dirty lmao

[main trellis]

I’m bout to scumbust

Remove ‚s’ and its a violation

[manic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/ch0colatchaud-burst-gif-21178804

[main trellis]

[manic wolf]

It's a fuckin violation anyway

It violated my eyeballs

[lost ravine]

we should at least call it perilous toxbustion

[cedar hare]

How many chem stacks does the bonesaw inflict? I like to do poison build but i dont know if its better to go with the bonesaw, or go knifes with bleed and chem on crit

[astral canyon]

1 on hit and 1 extra on crit

shivs are better but flesh tearer isnt really worth it

[cedar hare]

Is the 1 extra on crit innate or with the talent?

[astral canyon]

innate

[cedar hare]

Ah ok, but how come flesh tearer aint good? Do the DoT's not stack together well?

[astral canyon]

uncanny on shivs only gives +40% rending at max stacks so you cant cheese crushers with bleed like on knife

its much better to get riposte for the extra crit chance

[cedar hare]

I do riposte + flesh tearer

Flesh tearer is 8 bleed stacks on crit

[astral canyon]

get uncanny instead

[limber cradle]

Cause we already got tox and tox beats the fuck outta bleed stacks

[astral canyon]

also that

[woeful hill]

this is why

notice 1 lacking?

[astral canyon]

its much better to run uncanny+riposte

[cedar hare]

Interesting

[muted pivot]

Tbh with the shivs you want Riposte and precog

Uncanny isn't worth it since it has very good ADMs into Carapace on stabs anyway, plus the throwing shiv

[astral canyon]

idk about it not being worth

[muted pivot]

But Riposte and Precog synergise with each other, with the Shivs' fucking incredible finesse modifiers, and with Hypercrit and Hyperviolence

[muted pivot]

It would be a good third blessing maybe

[tranquil fjord]

the lights need a bit of a boost from uncanny though right

[astral canyon]

uncanny brings the stab adm to like 99%

[muted pivot]

But Precog and Riposte are kinda locked on imo, too much value

It should take it past 100% no?

40% increase, it's way above 60% as it is

[astral canyon]

actually yeah the heavy attack base adm is 61%

[muted pivot]

Shivs has no issue killing Crushers without Uncanny anyway, since you probably also take needle and some blitz that kills crushers

[astral canyon]

i was thinking it was 59% for some reason

[muted pivot]

If you go Desperado then it's probably worth it

[muted pivot]

Tbh I thought it was like 80% but it might just be crits that get a much better ADM

[astral canyon]

i mean going from 61% to 100% is a pretty big boost

[muted pivot]

But all the more reason to hyperfocus the crits

What's the ADM on crits, weakspots and weakspot crits?

[astral canyon]

im pretty sure they have the same adms

[bronze glade]

Nah

[manic wolf]

Nah, it should absolutely stay as scumbustion, because it sounds fucking disgusting and thusly fits the whole Scummer aesthetic

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/wani-gator-i-wani-hug-that-gator-hug-that-gator-snoot-gif-13604250880394018709

[marble seal]

Shiv design as a weapon is anti synergy with bleed. They hit few targets for huge damage, so you end up killing everything before you can even get like 3 ticks of bleed dot most of the time

[mighty belfry]

Also has the weaker uncanny which makes it even worse.

[marble seal]

The only time I see 8 stacks full tick is rot armor death balls where the elites at the front are constantly shifting or bosses

[mighty belfry]

Knife is a little better about it because it has the unnerfed uncanny but it's still not good for scum even then

There's just not enough synergy for bleed with Scum's kit

As opposed to, say, veteran

Or zealot

[lethal narwhal]

What primary pairs better with the dual pistols, the saw or the shives?

[livid raven]

shivs

[mighty belfry]

Shivs

It isn't even close

[lethal narwhal]

I'm just starting out my hive character, why not?

[livid raven]

because saw sucks

[mighty belfry]

Bonesaw is mid.

[lethal narwhal]

it looks dope though

[mighty belfry]

And it doesn't even feel good to use.

[lethal narwhal]

:(

[marble seal]

You can use it

[mighty belfry]

It's usable but

Eh.

It could be a lot better.

Honestly should be a lot better.

[marble seal]

I don’t know anyone that likes it even for memes lol

[mighty belfry]

It's got that latching feeling on a lot of its attacks

And it feels like shit.

[manic wolf]

It's slower than a snail that's just crawled through a bag of ketamine

Horrible weapon to play

[lethal narwhal]

For the dual pistols, is pinning fire better than speedload?

[bronze glade]

No

[mighty belfry]

Not really.

[bronze glade]

Well

Assuming dual stubs

[mighty belfry]

Unless you run blackouts maybe.

[bronze glade]

But even DAPs prob want speedload

Since you’ll be running desperado

[muted pivot]

Bonesaw's a fun weapon to play around with too, mind

it's not totally unusable

it's just worse than many of our other options generally, but if you want something to play with poison talents it's kind of the given

[bronze glade]

Yeah power wise I think it’s actually ok

[lethal narwhal]

Should I stick maniac damage on as a perk or crit chance? on the stub pistols i mean

[mighty belfry]

Maniacs

[brittle sierra]

I'm kinda a maniac myself 😈

[crimson moss]

you’re kinda a what

[unique spire]

That's literally you

[brittle sierra]

Nah still got my chompers

[astral canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-invincible-gif-3935116808772397515

check again...

[scarlet jackal]

Anyone have a hivescum melee build? I am a big fan of fast moving melee style and the hivescum is my new favorite I also love the gun the hive scum uses but send me a game lantern website of what you guys recommend

[reef hearth]

i play daggers with this, crit after dodge as blessing getting to total nearing 70% and massacring everything .) needle gun as range with sprinting blessing so i can just run safely to ranged enemies. playing with 3x +3 stam curios for attack speed mayhem xD

using chem for crit and toughness so it is like second rampage

but i am not pro, so take it with grain of salt .)

[scarlet jackal]

So left is melee, right is guns, and middle is balanced is that correct?

[reef hearth]

left one offers ranged keystone and most ranged things, middle mostly melee and right stim toxin/chem related buffs

[scarlet jackal]

Ahh okay thanks

[reef hearth]

np, u can see it in red part abilities

[bronze glade]

try this... though not for the faint of heart

either you kill everything first, or they kill you

[rough peak]

So darktide in a nutshell

[scarlet jackal]

I'm not a darktide enthusiast so this is pretty hard for me to decide what route to go through

[bronze glade]

True true

[scarlet jackal]

fuck I can't send screenshots but I found one really similar

But just look at the talents I will decide the weapons later

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a07c16c1-4370-4657-9f6b-33e714ca67c5/reginalds-melee-build-v2-update

[reef hearth]

i based it on someone eslse build too, just made few changes with help of ppl here, most builds are very similar .)

[scarlet jackal]

alright thanks

[vale maple]

Understood, pulling out rpg

[muted pivot]

Shivs mark 1 and Tac Axe are two really fun builds

@scarlet jackal shivs https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=a1ad8de5-3080-42ff-b261-fa62c3bb7a1c

For tac axe, you can drop the cleave talent in the middle bottom and reroute through rocket launcher and the 25 toughness node for your blitz

tac axe stats are mobility dump stat, flak/unarmoured headtaker/brutal momentum if I remember rightly

I might run flak/unyielding instead, can't remember

tac axe doesn't need cleave because brutal momentum does all your cleaving for you

[scarlet jackal]

That's a pretty solid build thank you

[scarlet jackal]

What about the needle pistol? I'm unfamiliar with that

[muted pivot]

It's just a great sidearm for a melee build

Blue mode is a long range Flamer that can set up silly Hyperviolence shenanigans

Yellow mode kills everything pretty much

One or two tap for anything smaller than a Mauler

5 kills ogryn

5 gets max stacks on a boss too, which adds a bunch of bonus DoT damage that starts ticking the moment the boss enters LoS

on top of your already very good boss dps

[scarlet jackal]

Alright thank you I appreciate it

[muted pivot]

Tox is really powerful, and has 0.9 adm into Carapace

So it kills crushers pretty well

More important for the tac axe than shivs, because shivs are better Vs crushers

But I would still take needle with both

Also not sure which version of toughness stimm to go with, I just guessed. Definitely finesse on strength branch though.

[lament axle]

whats a good stim build, if im doing a focus on my guns should i max out my bottom left tree?

[unkempt salmon]

Good evening Scoom chat, I have a silly question

What exactly are the different firing modes of the needle pistol

It feels like they're pretty much the same, however, I'm an idiot

[bronze glade]

special varies between mark

and mk6 has a slightly stronger primary fire

[unkempt salmon]

I see I see, interesting

Ty

[scarlet jackal]

What stims are the best to go for in the stim lab? Is there a best or does it depend on what style you're doing?

[dim moth]

the only real rule is that toughness stims suck

the other 3 trees are good

[mighty belfry]

nah

[dim moth]

CDR stims are mostly for non-stim builds

[mighty belfry]

Toughness specifcally for stimm crate is actually not a bad choice at all

It's a pretty meaningful means of damage mitigation.

[dim moth]

okay but you're not playing Hive Scum for damage mitigation are you?

[mighty belfry]

I mean, I've done just fine running a stimm crate with only toughness because Scum can already do a lot without extra damage.

It's a pretty big survivability buff for everyone.

When it was regen

Yeah, no reason to take.

But making it replenishment instead actually made it a lot better.

[reef spoke]

at the very least, it's no longer useless

[manic wolf]

I mean...

It's not like Scum is actually that squishy at this point

[bronze glade]

mfw scum and psyker are characterized as the "glass cannons" of darktide, and they're both tankier than vet 😭

[manic wolf]

[unreal stirrup]

everything is glass and they're cannon

[flat mist]

Uh... that is not a rule

Maybe if u failed to read the updated nodes it is

[rough peak]

While you aren't playing scum for this, not dying beats dying

If you don't die or get disabled/ledged/softlocked you can't lose

[livid raven]

i mean, my ass isn't playing psyker because i want to be tanky

and yet, i am

[lost ravine]

my ass is playing psyker because i love the grumpy slav witch and because i hallucinated fgs into existence

[rough peak]

That last part was a W for all of us

[lost ravine]

also, relic blade

[rough peak]

"Are you winning, son?"
You:

[lost ravine]

fatshark saw me schizoposting about a force greatsword that, when activated, builds peril with every swing and said "yeah let's do that for zealot"

[rough peak]

[flat mist]

I like reginald but bruhhh

[reef spoke]

Bonesaw hype so Fatshark nerfs it of course UwU

[thin seal]

im looking at this desperado build by reginald, but I dont really understand the 2 points spent on potent tox and coated weaponry

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0ca177e-34e2-4652-ae58-f18d32991c94/the-gunslinger-v4

do they help hit some sort of breakpoint? or is it just to help kill monstrosities faster?

sticky hands, channeling devastation, float like a butterfly, hyper violance, or even jittery all seem like they would be better

idk if im missing something or if its just a preference thing

[warm axle]

looks like a DAP build with shivs, with reposte they inflict a lot of tox.

float would be nice, id drop the sliding melee immunity

[thin seal]

yea, i dont run the sliding melee immunity in most of my builds

but ironically, it would have saved the run twice last night in havoc

[muted pivot]

See I'm confused because I thought sliding was a dodge already

[warm axle]

it is for ranged

[unreal stirrup]

sliding melee immunity is ass

[zenith pagoda]

Yeah because you already have 10 million dodges

[tender marten]

its very good for shootyscum

dodges with your gun out dont break melee tracking, but the slide dodge talent will

[unreal stirrup]

what the scum unabomber build again

[muted pivot]

that's a very obscure mechanic, but that makes sense! desperado is kinda more scared of groaners than snipers or gunners so that'd be a good thing to take maybe

Despy builds seem to have more free points than rampage and crate

[muted pivot]

Is anyone else getting something like "sticky" movement?

like, if you hold down W for a long time to move, and release it, the game continues to act like you're still holding W for another 2 seconds or so

and it completely jams up your dodges

and you end up eating shit against a bunch of shotgunners and looking like a fucking moron?

because I just shame-quit a game from that happening

fuck me.

[rough peak]

Maybe you need a new keyboard

I've only had stuff like that happen in extremely rare circumstances or on keyboards that were going bad

[muted pivot]

laptop keyboard

[fluid drum]

You can plug a keyboard in and test if its that

[muted pivot]

It's the only game it happens in

I'd have to get a keyboard then lol but maybe I should

[tender marten]

are you on wifi

[tranquil fjord]

have you tried cleaning your keyboard?

[ebon lintel]

What's a good build for this event?

[manic wolf]

Other than the two mandatory stim nodes if you want to take crit aura (which you kinda do)

[muted pivot]

yes

[muted pivot]

tbh on my despy build I take melee aura lmao, since I'm using DAPs and rashad which both don't need crits so much

[tender marten]

fix that first, see what happens

[muted pivot]

Can't lol

[lost ravine]

[tender marten]

you said you have a laptop right?

no ethernet port on it?

[muted pivot]

I mean it might have one but it's not an option for me here

[tender marten]

dorm?

[muted pivot]

This is a thing that wasn't happening before anyway

nope, just not an option

It does in fact have a socket

[tender marten]

well if you do have a cable and have any access to direct internet id just take your laptop there and try that first

otherwise youre gonna spend a lot of time/money diagnosing a problem that would be fixed with a $5 cable

which is FREQUENTLY the solution

my friend has spent three years coming up with contrived fixes for his internet being bad but kept refusing to plug a cable because his computer is two floors up from where his wireless router is

he has installed many suspect programs and bought lots of adapters and receivers

turns out the problem is his ISP just fucking sucks and has 30% packet loss even when you plug in directly

dont be my friend

[manic wolf]

That's fuckin atrocious

[tender marten]

incredibly bad

dont use Telus

[lost ravine]

what's the solution if your router ceases function when plugged into a motherboard

[tender marten]

why would it

do that

like the wifi also just stops?

[lost ravine]

yup

it just straight stops working if plugged in

immediately loses signal

[tender marten]

is it a modem & router or just the router

plug into the modem direct

(still weird)

then go to 192.168.0.1 in a browser and start checking if the physical ports are even enabled

[rough peak]

https://tenor.com/view/chihuahua-uncomfortable-gif-317720649137245860

[tender marten]

i nearly screamed tbh lmao

i did a 10m traceroute and got 15% and was like "wow, that's bad, but perhaps it's an aberration"

so i did two different 24hr traceroute tests and came back with 30% average instead

"So how do I fix this?"
"You don't, you call your ISP and you cancel."

when 1/3 of your packets disappear when it reaches the data center your ISP is a fucking joke

there's no way they don't know, they just hope you don't know

[rough peak]

That legit sounds worse than the shit I had with mediacom with it sometimes just not working

[tender marten]

not working is fine because you know it won't work

[rough peak]

All of a sudden no internet for who knows how long

[tender marten]

30% packet loss is basically just a tease

[rough peak]

Yeah

That's some fucking bs

[manic wolf]

You probably have the right to just walk at that point tbh

"I'm not paying for this, you're not providing the service as advertised, I want my money back and the contract cancelled"

[tender marten]

i had similar with Rogers years ago and it was a 3% packet loss that would disconnect me from my remote work desktops

they kept running me in circles so i just

stopped paying

that solved it real quick

[lost ravine]

it used to not do this

then there was a dark and stormy night and the sky was ablaze with lightning and ever since then it refused to be shackled by the confines of a mere cable connection

[tender marten]

oh god

its ascended

[lost ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/ascending-energy-galaxy-gif-17739196

[tender marten]

yeah ive never ran into that before

i would love to troubleshoot it in person

but alas

[lost ravine]

yeah it seems extremely specific

[tender marten]

is it your router or your ISP's

cause i'd just ask for a new one

[lost ravine]

i just assumed it's ours

never checked

at first i thought it was a pc issue

tried connecting it to another thingy which then connected to the pc

Death

the moment i unplugged it from the pc? Life

[tender marten]

interesting

[lost ravine]

then built new pc

tried connecting that too

new motherboard and all

Death

[tender marten]

deffo sounds like the modem/router

gotta get in it

[lost ravine]

oh yeah for sure but it works flawlessly until you plug it in

the machine's spirit yearns for freedom and does not wish to be chained

[muted pivot]

It is now happening to me on another game too, I think it's the laptop overheating

[tender marten]

https://winmtr.net

install that

run it
put Google.com as the host (or .ca, or .uk, or wherever the hell u is)
let it do its thing for five minutes

if the Loss% section doesn't come back as 0% then there's your problem

(Some sections will be labeled as 'No Response From Host', you can ignore those)

Anything else that's above 0% let me know

[muted pivot]

Saw my laptop had a firmware update that had probably been waiting for a while

[hearty fossil]

what the hell does any of this have to do with the hivescum

[trim wind]

gangers are really into home networking solutions

[tender marten]

and while they famously operate by bluetooth you really should have functional backup devices

[ebon sand]

what's actually the best blessings for crowbar? superiority + unstoppable force?

[dense hollow]

can opener and superiority is what i use when i decide to use crowbar

[ebon sand]

sure fuck it I'll give'er a go

ty

[scarlet jackal]

How do I avoid dying as hivescum?

[unique spire]

Dodge

[scarlet jackal]

Yeah but I get hit from behind

[unique spire]

Are you running straight into the middle of a horde

[scarlet jackal]

No why?

[scarlet jackal]

What about blocking?

[unique spire]

It's because it becomes overwhelming when all enemies are around you

[unique spire]

Blocking isn't very useful when it comes to multiple enemies

Your block will consume much of your stamina

[scarlet jackal]

Yeah true but what's the ideal way to play hivescum? when a horde comes for an example what should you do?

[unique spire]

You should stay by the front of the horde and be careful about not getting yourself into a corner or get enemies to sneak behind you

[tender marten]

push more

whatever your weapon is, mix one into your combos

and get used to tossing one out every dodge or every other dodge when you're being fully defensive

[rough peak]

Autopistol:

[lost ravine]

same way you play other classes
detect blob, chip away at blob while moving around the blob

this minimizes the amount of blob participants that can turn you into goop

[rough peak]

This... this isn't wrong...

I like that description lol

[lost ravine]

thanks i came up with it in about 5 seconds

[rough peak]

https://klipy.com/gifs/brain-brain-meme--k01KQNCE4XNJR42AA99CMHCCS3C

[ashen gyro]

so i am playing desperado and I am not very satisfied with how long it takes to kill carapace, I am wondering if my build or blessings are bad for that

i keep getting walled by crushers when I cant focus on headshotting them

[lost ravine]

melee

or boom

[ashen gyro]

oh so ranged is no go

[lost ravine]

stubs may do non-zero carapace damage now but it's not good carapace damage

[ashen gyro]

a shame x.x

[lost ravine]

needle pistol makes relatively short work of them

but that's needle pistol

if you pick up all the rending in the world i'm sure stubs can do work too

with desperado rending node and rending stim

[ashen gyro]

do people run needle pistol with desperado seens silly lol

[lost ravine]

they do not

[ashen gyro]

aight good to know

but yea which melee them

cleaver is the only one i have maxed, never dropped a crowbar

[lost ravine]

mk1 shivs deal with them very well

crowbar is alright into crushers too

[ashen gyro]

oh i can use shivs i guess

just spam heavy attack?

[lost ravine]

yeah and the special throw

applies tox

[scarlet jackal]

Alright thanks

[ashen gyro]

ty

[lusty spear]

What am I supposed to run with desperado

[bronze glade]

any gun you want

maybe not needler but realistically that'd be fine too

[lusty spear]

Is the bolt pistol any good

[lost ravine]

in general? aye
into carapace? no

with desp? maybe

more of a sidearm than a main weapon imo

[lusty spear]

So what can I use with desperado

That won't be bad

[bronze glade]

explodey version works well as a desperado gun

[flat mist]

Vraks infantry auto, shredder auto, dual uzis to name some

[flat mist]

Theres a sound queue that plays when enemies swing from behind you

Gotta learn to recognise it and then dodge

[scarlet jackal]

Well what is it?

[lost ravine]

it's like a whooshing sound

[flat mist]

Jump into a game with some stam & block efficiency curios. Let stuff swing at you from behind while blocking and see if you can notice the wooshing sound

Once you can recognise it you'll gradually start to respond to it without thinking

[scarlet jackal]

Alright perfect thank you guys

[bronze crown]

Auto Pistols or Vraks V Infantry Autogun take extra pockets perc for more rockets or posion grenades and have the Rashad combat axe as back up.

[keen sapphire]

like any gun

desperado is p strong

last i used it anyways

[lilac schooner]

before the nerf?

[keen sapphire]

yea b4 the nerf, i did it with dualpistols after and it was still good but havent tried other weapons

[lost ravine]

what nerf

[hallow socket]

Puke Nukem build

I haven't been on this group for ages, I've been summoned 🧐💀

[muted pivot]

Generally Vraks 5 is a better gun, but DAPs fit how Scum tends to operate better and requires less talent investment. Vraks 5 talent investment also tends to make crit weapons better which tends to be what Scum want too though, so it's kind of a wash

I like DAP despy more personally idk

payday 2 feeling and I use vraks on psyker and veteran already

Feels a little ironic that my ranged spec is my only scum that sometimes can't hit snipers because it's not accurate enough though, but on the other hand they can't hit me either due to despy so it

's fine lol

[main trellis]

Actually; DAP is better overall than inf auto for many reasons

[muted pivot]

I think you tend to do a bit less of the dps into bosses and ogryn with it, but your dps is still fine. Long range performance is worse, but you have ranged immunity and the ability to sprint while shooting

so your "long range" strategy is to close the distance and enjoy the fact that you have infinite ammo so you can do accuracy-by-volume

and closing distance plays better with Despy refreshes

[main trellis]

Nah; its more than that & boss/ogryn dps is… comparable

[muted pivot]

Ok, I mean, I'm glad that my preferred weapon is actually the better one then lol

[main trellis]

Sticky hands and Run & Gun = you can snipe with DAP

[muted pivot]

I thought it was an unpopular opinion tbh

I don't take run and gun just because of the ability to shoot and sprint already, feels like you get half a blessing

prefer blaze away and speedload

moar uptime

[main trellis]

Its about reduced spread = better acc

[muted pivot]

sticky hands are necessary though yeah

[main trellis]

Speedload is not needed; trap blessing tbh

[muted pivot]

It's fine, I gain accuracy by judicious use of the W key lol

[main trellis]

Gl hitting targets 25+ meters away
With sticky & run you can

[muted pivot]

25 and reducing fast

[main trellis]

Snipers for example stop being a problem for ya

[main trellis]

Not always

[muted pivot]

Yeah, distant snipers that are behind a moat or something are like the only issue

besides getting too much melee chaff disruption

[main trellis]

As for that; you already have alot of time to maximise your time on despy before you get diminishing returns
Speedloader blessing is a trap; speedloader talent is enough

[main trellis]

Only if its poxwalkers & bruisers; groaners & moebians get suppressed
I have a footage if the build but need to write the guide first before uploading…

[muted pivot]

Tbf I consider ragers to be spicy chaff

[main trellis]

Nah they’re ez

Only problem is bulwarks tbh

[muted pivot]

honestly half the time they get a missile because I cba

[lilac schooner]

the one where it requires melee now

[lilac schooner]

I think it's fine on auric, not really good past that on havoc though unfortunately

[lost ravine]

does not really impact desperado since during desp you already have infinite ammo

[lilac schooner]

true i guess more for the general build itself cause desperado all use pp

[steel kite]

i just did five auric maelstrom missions in a row without dying as hivescum 💖

I'm so proud of myself

[warm axle]

hell yeah nice

[dark moon]

well done

[flat mist]

I still dont have the penance for not going down 5 missions in a row and my combined true level is nearly 3000

[molten shale]

Break out the Poisson

[flat mist]

Fish??

[molten shale]

And I thought you liked math smh my head

[flat mist]

Good at arithmetic but still dont know anything

[steel kite]

i understand why it's just pure pain to get i challenged myself to do it as scum & it went well after two attempts

you could just leave after going down once but that's how losers do it.

[flat mist]

Thats for the auric storm survivor penance. The one im talking about you have to not go down at all

But yeah im the opposite of a defensive player

If it isnt high havoc ill always throw myself into every stupid situation possible

[unreal stirrup]

can't be stupid if everything else died first

[mighty belfry]

I do it even if it is high Havoc

[flat mist]

You say that and then ill ledge myself doing move tech

[mighty belfry]

Abandon self preservation.

It is weakness in servance to the Emperor.

[flat mist]

Given our conversation about rampage uptime i do actually need to do that

[manic wolf]

Alley Rat and guardrails...

[flat mist]

Memes aside alley rat is just bad

[manic wolf]

It is, but its also very fun

Fun > Optimal

[flat mist]

Even with caxe or something id rather be able to dodge more often than a bit further

[flat mist]

Its not so fun when im trying to dodge at nimbles frequency and get overheaded

[manic wolf]

Oh nah, run it with stuff that already has huge dodges. Way more entertainment value

[flat mist]

Truuuue

[manic wolf]

TacAxe/Knife/Shivs, is very funny

[steel kite]

i think it's only if you die i can check in a moment when i get on.

i didn't go down though

[thin seal]

my mind is currently being blown by this build i just saw someone run

what in gods name

my brain is currently trying to figure out if this is 500 IQ or 50IQ

[main trellis]

I believe lack of ‚splash damage’ talent may be a huge hint

(Even tho i hate how stupid OP that talent is…)

[thin seal]

if you mean the booby trap talent, he has that. the toxins on crate explosion

the one he doesnt have it crate cooldown reset on stim reset

I guess this technically saves 1 talent point if you can get crate back up pretty quickly

but idk

its still a really long cooldown, feels like its too long to make the build worth it

compared to just using the 1 talent point and a 15s stim

but I guess its really strong for party cooldown

[main trellis]

The talent is called ‚splash damage’

Literally

In the middle, not taken

[thin seal]

oh that one

yea

[main trellis]

Nah; i use max cd stimm on a crate & its good; gimping your stimm for faster crate ain’t the way

[main trellis]

Primarily for that ye
Att spd/str paths are still better

[thin seal]

the meme 15s crate build is pretty fun into hordes and kind of trivializes blight spreads, but yea i dont think its a particularly strong build

[neat delta]

What the actual fuck 🥀

Kill them

now.

[wide burrow]

is there a hyper-violence mod that tells me my damage and the timer for it and such?

[rough peak]

50 iq is giving them too much credit

[unreal stirrup]

enemy with toxin usually can't survive long enough for you to benefit from the toxin buff

also if you want to go unabomber use only 1 point of stim instead

not having this is also really bad

[thin seal]

sir you seemed to have missed the convo

[unreal stirrup]

it's universally shorter cd

oh yeah I can't read

[unreal stirrup]

i tried unabomber build and man 5s is enough for everything to be dead before it explode

[muted pivot]

think it's meant specifically for rotten armor havoc

[unreal stirrup]

I could see it but I didn't have good result

[muted pivot]

or well blight + rotten specifically since it targets both of those I guess

[unreal stirrup]

that why in running this in the first place

there was no corruption the whole match but the box just explode too slow

[muted pivot]

I only tried it once on an auric and I hated it lol, was pointless without the corruption chip spam

and yeah it needs constant hordes of unstoppable crushers to stop

[main trellis]

Needs remote detonation feature
Or slightly larger radius

• the issue of crate mine is that you want to hold the enemy in that radius so you reap the benefits…
  HS has nothing that can do such a thing reliably maybe outside blinders but they toss the enemy away so yeah…

Reason why Nuncio can work for arby in the first place for example; cause arby can just hold the line due to stagger

In case of HS its basically teams stagger potential to hold the enemy in the crate radius which lets be real nobody does…

[vapid jungle]

It would be cool if we could manually detonate crate

Like clicking f again during the 5 seconds

[marble seal]

That’s would be so op with low cooldown and toxin explosion 😭

[vapid jungle]

Yah have to change some other things. But the current functionality is pretty meh.

[muted adder]

Honestly, kinda my take on the class as a whole rn

I really wish I liked scum more, but I already wasn't especially interested in the concept when it was announced and the gameplay was kinda fun for a bit and quickly fell off for me

Honestly, if they just gave vet and/or zealot the dual stubs and crowbar that's all I'd actually want from what we got

I like scum's non-chem weapons and some of the ideas are cool, but nothing really feels like it delivers

[bronze glade]

Scum is op and boring

[bronze crown]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-if-you-cant-say-something-nice-dont-say-anything-at-all-rabbit-bunny-gif-15861799

[mighty belfry]

Best thing about scum is them bruteforcing a lot of less popular melees into being really good

But yeah their power level is a little too off the fritz with the ones that are just good out of the box

[vapid jungle]

Yea rampage could make a grey weapon work with all the power it gives

[bronze glade]

https://tenor.com/view/help-gif-7380459

[bronze crown]

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-and-the-holy-grail-rabbit-bunny-gif-11190286

[clever wren]

Accurate depiction of Crusher one-shotted by a sharpened toothbrush

[vapid jungle]

Wine opener>2 ton metal monster

[bronze crown]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-roberto-futurama-knives-nuts-gif-18076002

[warm axle]

scum, corkscrew his frontal cortex

then pour yourself a glass ya mad bastard

do we have the technology to make powershivs

[vapid jungle]

We can tape a battery to the handle

[heavy compass]

What is the best and easiest hive scum talentpool now. I cant seem to get past heresy on hivescum but on everything else i can do all difficulties fine (up to havoc 30)

[mighty belfry]

Well

What exactly are you trying to do with scum?

[heavy compass]

Well survive but also i want to have specialist spam kills with my name by it

[mighty belfry]

I mean like

Melee?

Range?

A little of both.

[heavy compass]

Oh i guess melee but iblike the rocket laucher

[mighty belfry]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0d65a9a-b33b-4a6b-a7d7-28fee737ecd3/hyperfinesse-toxin-terror

Assume the blitz for this is Boom Bringer instead of Blackouts and you should be fine

[heavy compass]

Thanksnwillncheck it out

[fickle shore]

any suggestions?

also ignore the knife I had forgotten to swap it back to mark 3

[tranquil fjord]

take out stam on dodge, melee immunity when sliding for

25 toughness and burst of energy instead

cheap shot isnt really necessary unless youre playing crowbar

both of the stim talents are meh but tbh you should only be taking one

you could path into chem dependency instead of adrenaline

[flat mist]

You should literally always be taking burst of energy and the +25 toughness node

And why do you have cheapshots when your build has literally zero stagger

[tranquil fjord]

you dont really need cleave talent unless youre in havoc and/or playing with mk1 shivs

iirc

[flat mist]

And even if you keep adrenaline you've picked the literal worst subnode for it. You want the node that gives you stacks per kill and duration of the actual buff. Toughness per second is good too

Also drop close and deadly its pretty meh

And everything crim said

[mighty belfry]

some particularly odd choices

[tranquil fjord]

i wouldnt recommend precog on a weapon if you cant consistently make 50 or 60+ crit chance

[fickle shore]

its been perfectly ok at 40%

[hasty torrent]

If i wanted to use the Combat blade purely to proc pick pocket what would I run on it?

[main trellis]

Tbh… use push attack mainly on it & hit weakspots; blessings don’t matter much

[thin seal]

Idk what’s going on, but I’m getting hit by ranged attacks while sprinting with stripped down active. Idk if there is some sort of delay between a slide ending and being back in sprint state or something. But I’m throwing in a few slides while sprinting to make sure I maintain my stamina above 50%

[main trellis]

Not spending stamina = not sprinting

Ez

[thin seal]

But sliding should also be dodging ranged attacks

[thin seal]

actually, doesnt seem to be related to sliding

i was clearly above 50% stamina here

and i still got shot

was also clearly sprinting

[unreal stirrup]

you stopped sprinting at the end bruh

[mighty belfry]

Is this solo play?

[thin seal]

yea

[thin seal]

no, it stopped sprinting when i got hit and got staggered by the shot

[mighty belfry]

Do you have the artificial ping mod on?

[thin seal]

no

but i noticed this happening in my normal games too

[unreal stirrup]

never happened to me so i can't help

[main trellis]

It is but… when you stop sliding you stop sprinting = vurnerable

[main trellis]

You literally stopped sprinting at the end you goofball

[main trellis]

You were not staggered by anything; you LITERALLY stopped sprinting at 63% stamina because you FIRED your needler; you don’t have run & gun blessing = can’t shoot while sprinting

[main trellis]

Once you shoot you stop sprinting = no invurnerability unless you use Run & Gun blessing which clearly you don’t

So no; its not the game not working
Its you making a mistake; hope that helps

[thin seal]

I do have run & gun

i have run n gun + stripped down as my blessings

ill grab another recording next time i see it happen

[glossy robin]

It looks like he got stuck on the geometry

And all his sprint momentum cancelled out

[main trellis]

That might be the issue if R&G is present

[main trellis]

No; i see it now

@glossy robin @thin seal Rewatch the clip & look at the buff bar; you literally manualy stopped sprinting the moment you shot; its not lack of R&G blessing; it was your manual doing; you literally stopped sprinting cause both R&G & SD blessings icons vanished
It was your manual error

[frigid finch]

am i missing something or the cathacan balde is a straight up better weapon than the shivs?

[astral canyon]

Knife doesnt have the throwing knife special

[frigid finch]

a bit less damage, but much more cleave and you can parry-reposte, and given the amount of ragers I am seeing around these days thats big

[astral canyon]

Oh devil's claw

Devil's claw is not really good

The only reason it works on scum is that rampage can brute force any melee into working

The less cleave also doesnt matter much for shivs with their attack speed

[obtuse forge]

It’s funny that there’s a conversation paralleling this one happening in zealot chat, at least regarding rampage making basically every melee weapon available to hive scum viable in some way

[astral canyon]

The main reasons for using dclaw is the parry and building stagger with hammerblow

[frigid finch]

between rampage and stims, you are pretty much always buffed up. So the damage output isnt that much worse on the devils claw at the end of the day. And you can parry-reposte that, again, given the amount of ragers the director is throwing at us these last days seems very good

[astral canyon]

The issue with parry is that it only applies to one hit

As soon as you block one hit with the parry youre immediately vulnerable again

Dclaw also sucks ass against flak and carapace

[dense hollow]

dclaw is a good weapon in scum's hands but it is not anywhere near the level of shivs

[frigid finch]

you still an hive scum, I dont use parry as a stationary tool. more like a way to deal good dps while kiting. Even with buffs down you two shot a rager

[obtuse forge]

Shivs I think are more versatile and safe overall. They have good anti armor capabilities and they are fast (making up for lesser cleave), and thus, have good cc.

[frigid finch]

You are probably right at an higher skill level

but where I stand now, parry makes everything so much safer

[astral canyon]

Shivs also have better mobility

[main trellis]

Also SC

[main trellis]

Boss deletion too

[obtuse forge]

I understand. Although, do take note that sometimes it is better to take the leap.

You may fall the first few times and see little sense in it, but with practice you will eventually see yourself landing atop a pile of the foes’ corpses.

[frigid finch]

gonna seal myself in the meatgrinder with a bunch of ragers and see how to do it with the shivs than

[obtuse forge]

I used to main DClaw on scum. Nowadays I switch between taxe and shivs, the former for pure fun while the latter for fun and utility.

You should be able to get the hang of the shivs sooner rather than later.

[thin seal]

It’s basically hitting them with a heavy and immediately dodging back to make space and charge up another heavy. Repeat x 20 times till all the ragers are dead

[frigid finch]

yeah, you can do that with 3

not with 15

[thin seal]

You can do it with 15 too. Just make sure to dodge in a way to keep them from surrounding you

Always keep them lined up

And use terrain/walls to eliminate some directions

[frigid finch]

to actually be able to pull that I should know by hearth every corner of every map tho, otherwise I am just gonna corner myself

[thin seal]

Usually you will be moving backwards into areas you were just previously in. You should be able to roughly remember the terrain of the area you just passed through 1-2 mins ago

But yea, getting trapped in a corner or stuck on a box etc happens. Just another skill to learn over time

[obtuse forge]

Even a small bit of situational and environmental awareness should be able to help you learn to dodge better. Take a look around, remember what is and isn’t there, and act accordingly.

[frigid finch]

I can pretty much perfetually dodge, while kiting backwards or in a semi-circle taking advantage of the terrain in some cases

what i cant do is time my attacks between theirs

exclusively with ragers btw, their chain is too quick, even just a bunch of them and i cant see attack windows anymore

[maiden pine]

what is the dump stat on crowbar

[astral canyon]

Defence or mobility

[tranquil fjord]

generally defense

if youre going for take a swing, do mobility

[dire badge]

Doesn't defense lessen the stamina on a shove attack

[vapid jungle]

https://youtu.be/wDuPnJ-5qis?si=vtO9Er7dkl094mHY

This has a great section on how to manage ragers

It'll take time to adjust to the attack pattren timing but once you do its not so bad. If you are still uncomfortable space and the DBS are your friend.

[fresh locust]

Hyperviolence on crowbar. is it a bad idea or a good one?

I've not played around with the blessing at all.

[mighty belfry]

Not really.

How do I explain this.

[calm aurora]

Hyperviolence is never a bad idea.

[manic wolf]

It's more a case of does the crowbar actually overkill stuff enough for HV to do.. well.. anything is the real question

[flat mist]

also the latches are slow

[mighty belfry]

Oh shit my message never sent lmao

Basically, crowbar not very bursty

It doesn't really reach good peaks for HV to take advantage of.

[muted pivot]

Hyperviolence wants fast and high damaging weapons

It strongly benefits from Bromentum too but that's not as mandatory (shivs still use it extremely well despite not having bromentum)

(just because of how damaging and fast they are)

[astral canyon]

The fact crowbar's big single target attacks are split into two instances of damage means you get less hyperviolence value than if it was one instance

[livid raven]

Does it? The attack is so slow you msy not get the bonus at all

Oh also you have to switch mode from horde to single target

[astral canyon]

I mean the bonus you get from overkill

[livid raven]

Yeah but that lasts one second, it might very well go away

[astral canyon]

One big instance of damage will do more overkill than two not as big instances

[dense hollow]

i think you could hypothetically get hv value if you rely on crowbar backswing heavy 1 but i think u'll be dropping hv too often for it to be even worth using

[livid raven]

Classic crowbar L

[astral canyon]

If the heavy latch attack was faster it wouldnt be as much of a problem

So again

It all circles back to latch attacks should scale with attack speed

[dense hollow]

normal mode crowbar heavy 1 has a deceptive amount of headshot damage

kinda like crusher push attack

but its still too uncomfy for hv

[livid raven]

I think voice clips should also scale with attack speed

[main trellis]

Can’t even utilize limbsplitter blessing cause of it & it makes me sad…

[vapid jungle]

Thats pretty good for April fools next year

[ebon lintel]

Best way and fastest way to do this?

[astral canyon]

Just play the game with chem dep equipped

And dont forget that you do have it equipped

And also dont run the 4 stack subnode

[ebon lintel]

That might be why it didn't register

[astral canyon]

4 stacks means you need an extra stack and the reduced duration makes it harder to stay at max stacks

[hexed basin]

Is dual autopistol worse than needle against carapace? How does the former handle carapace

[astral canyon]

Yes

You handle carapace with dual autos by using your melee or blitz

[reef hearth]

and also get the 1 point stim with 15 sec CD and just spam it with your chem ability having CD reset on stim CD

[astral canyon]

Not needed

Its really easy to maintain max stacks of chem dep even with a maxed out stimm

As long as you dont take 4 stacks

[reef hearth]

faster way to get to max (start of game, killed, etc) saving precious seconds is needed .)

[maiden pine]

should i stack insane stamina for crowbar?

[astral canyon]

Again not really

[maiden pine]

saw this kind of build quite a while ago

[astral canyon]

No

Crowbar already has plenty of stamina and latch attacks dont benefit from attack speed properly

[maiden pine]

makes sense

[astral canyon]

Its not really going to make much of a difference in the long run

[maiden pine]

i dont know when to switch to alt

i keep switching when i see rager or mauler etc

crushers too

lot less trash mobs in the event

[astral canyon]

Crushers and maulers pretty much

And bosses

[reef hearth]

guy wanted easiest way, maybe to never touch that keystone again, who knows, so easiest is saving tons of second to actually have it faster

[cloud ivy]

Hey, is there a good knife build at the moment?

[maiden pine]

i also wanna know

[fast surge]

For hivescum? Yes

In fact all classes that can use knife use it pretty well

You want something like precog+riposte/uncanny

Talent can be either Chem dep or adrenaline frenzy

I guess you go despy with vultures too but then it's really a gun build that also uses knife

[unreal stirrup]

not having uncunny hurt your horde clear a lot since knife doesn't have the best flak adm and its the most common armor type

on vet/zealot uncanny + flesh tearer is bis for horde clear + single target

vet can take bleed talent and run mercy killer instead but horde clear suffer a little

scum/psyker can go uncanny riposte

having more consistent crit is better than precog imo

[hexed basin]

why use knife over shiv

[unreal stirrup]

it's better

scale off hv way better

less safe compare to shiv

[devout folio]

So.. Is there any way to still have music after using Rampage?

[bronze glade]

Music? 🤔

[devout folio]

Yeah. Game music silences for the duration of rampage

[woeful hill]

weird

new bug I guess

probably havent noticed since I turned off music like 3 years ago

[devout folio]

what?? it doesn't happen to you guys?

[mighty belfry]

...

[devout folio]

it's been like that forever

[mighty belfry]

Has that always been happening to you?

[devout folio]

yeah

[mighty belfry]

Well that's.

Troubling.

[devout folio]

I thought that was part of the design

[mighty belfry]

No. Music should be coming back to full volume as soon as Rampage ends.

[devout folio]

oh

yeah it does

but I want it DURING the rampage

[mighty belfry]

Oh.

I mean

You could mod the game to make the Rampage sound effects not happen

[devout folio]

I really dont understand the reason for silencing. Music is big part of this game and it actually helps you detect bosses and hordes

[mighty belfry]

You don't need the music for that.

[devout folio]

I WANT the music

[mighty belfry]

There are sound cues. The music actually makes you less aware that those cues are there.

But the music is good so I get it.

But, it's supposed to imitate the feeling of a crazy, violent adrenaline rush. So I get the sound muffling.

[devout folio]

I could swear the boss growling isn't applied every time

[mighty belfry]

But I personally don't run it with the rampage sound anymore

Modded that out a while ago.

[devout folio]

you can mod out such details?

can you, for instance, change boss music?

[mighty belfry]

I know there's one that let's you play music on the Nuncio Aquila

[manic wolf]

Disco Aquilla, yeha

Ultra-cool mod

Though you can just turn off the ingame music an listen to your own if you wanted to, I usually do

Might result in embaressing deaths to trappers tho

[main trellis]

Then don’t play rampage

[main trellis]

I listen to this
And i to it
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JX2z4FziDuw&pp=ygUjQ3Jhc2ggYmFuZGljb29vdCAyIGJlYXIgaXQgZXh0ZW5kZWTSBwkJAwsBhyohjO8%3D

[manic wolf]

Fuckin CLASSIC

Very based

https://youtu.be/ePOZDrtXFs0 @main trellis Not the same nostalgia value, but very appropriate for mass heretic slaughter

[main trellis]

Will listen once i come home

[main trellis]

Speaking of killing heretics; THIS 👇
https://youtu.be/pyIyh78aHPk

With PBB it gets wild

[manic wolf]

Sir, you are walking nostalgia bait

[main trellis]

Papa Willy knows the gud stuff

[rain snow]

desperado hiver feels like cheating on this event

90% of enemies are either berserkers or gunners

[mighty belfry]

desperado hiver feels like cheating*

[flat mist]

Desperado hiver doesnt feel like anything because ive fallen asleep

[main trellis]

@manic wolf This one too is a banger
https://youtu.be/RV_FqNl6hwM?si=TLAdCvz0kaVsDkDx

i wish they could port that shit to PC

[main trellis]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/10212097014944444208/7544986C72BDA8CA2F012ABCF92F9EFB9F7E9189/

[bronze glade]

desperado hiver is cheating*

[main wagon]

While I know you mean a proper port, PSCX2 emulator with upscaled resolution and other tweaks is an option

I’ve been playing the remastered Sly Cooper trilogy they released on PS3 via my deck

I know Jak and Daxter got like a whole fan recompile and now all 3 games work on Windows and Linux

They run like a dream and look amazing still, the art design was so good

THIS IS A NO HOVER ZONE

[thin seal]

why am i starting to see more desperado builds with stub pistols. I must have missed the memo

[manic wolf]

Because you can use basically any gun with Desperado and its free

Le'easy mode

Maybe even... Sleazy mode

[high gull]

https://tenor.com/view/lalo-salamanca-smile-car-windows-down-gif-16958759

[main trellis]

@unique dagger This was a good bait 😂 👌
https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/12304137688453332805/40E740B7B6E97A533EEC5899B3BC35BDC716478E/

[hexed basin]

for people playing toxic build with needle gun and stim supply
how would you survive against hordes of gunners ?

[bronze glade]

Close the distance using cover and use your melee

[craggy stream]

Is hivescum worth buying?

[bronze glade]

yeah

more interesting than arbi

and also more powerful than arbi

prob a bit too powerful

[craggy stream]

Maybe I'm a simpleton but I generally prefer things on the strong side for PVE games player-wise

[bronze glade]

hive scum might be the class for you, though it still requires you to know the game fundamentals and how to build

[craggy stream]

When there's no players to be sad about weapons being strong I feel devs should err on the side of over rather than underpowered

[manic wolf]

Most of the long term players feel like we have too much power tho

[craggy stream]

More difficulty modifiers

[hexed basin]

how does dual autopistol + desperado build cope with crushers ?

[manic wolf]

That trend is why we have an unhealthy endgame that makes a bunch of weapon choices irrelevant across multiple classes

Better to dial back the classes at this point than to try to layer on more mutator based difficulty

[craggy stream]

That's fair

[bronze glade]

it doesn't outside of rending stimm

better off shiving the crusher really

[hexed basin]

hmm. Any other guns for desperado that are more well rounded then ?

[bronze glade]

most HIV guns are just inherently inefficient against crushers

[wispy pond]

what is the best melee choice for hive scum?

shivs? heavy sword?

[woeful hill]

Choice for what?

There are way too many variables

All weapons have a strength

[bronze glade]

Rashad if you're just looking for max killing power

[main wagon]

If you’re just playing Aurics, Rampage Scum kinda gets away with great performance from most weapons

The usual staples that are good on other classes are good with Scum, with Rampage helping even slightly less performing stuff like Hsword still bring the heat

Shivs can go on every build because they’re just Neat™ and don’t require investment lol

Cleave, backstabs, hypercrit are just kinda icing on top

[flat mist]

The thing is that you literally cant err on the side of overpowered with everything since if everything is op nothing is op

As stim shady was saying, not nerfing broken stuff just leads to changes on the enemy side of things which throws off the balance of other parts of the game

[main wagon]

The autopistol being left at the train station for the longest time because all the balancing was around plasmoids

She’s doing good now. Happily settled with my Nuncio Arby

It’s genuinely a fun lil weapon

[hexed basin]

does hyper violence or hyper crit even work for ranged attacks ? worth it for ranged builds ?

[main trellis]

Ofc they don’t work for ranged; read the talents

[hexed basin]

Hyper Critical says nothing about ranged or melee (only Critical Strikes)
What is there to read

And Hyper Violence only mentions "Kills" that will buff melee damage, without specifying what kills mean

[main trellis]

Critical Strikes
Can’t strike with a bullet

[hexed basin]

Vulture Mark literally says Ranged Critical Strike chance in the description

[main trellis]

Its ANY kill

[hexed basin]

so ranged works ?

[main trellis]

Yeah; Ranged Critical Strike; ranged word used = works for ranged

[hexed basin]

that sounds very different from can't strike with a bullet

[main trellis]

Ye; shoot then smack within 1s for overkill bonus if any was present

[abstract lichen]

Fatshark tooltips aren't a hill to defend

[main trellis]

Ranged Critical Strike
Vs
Critical Strike
I dunno man… i dunno

🤔 🤔 🤔

[hexed basin]

logic should dictate that the former is a subset of the latter

[main trellis]

But ye fair; deduction may be wrong

Still; HC is melee only
HV is ANY overkill dmg transfered into melee dmg for 1s

[flat mist]

There are ranged talents that use the word strike

Oh i just read down haha

But strike still does not mean exclusively melee

[main trellis]

If you take the magazine out, pull a bullet & use it like a knife then yes; it will be a Strike
Otherwise no

[flat mist]

Sure but a) applying logic to fatsharks descriptions is giving them way too much credit, and b) a phrase like "the bullets struck the man from behind" is totally normal usage

[main trellis]

Yeah
At this point i’m fking with ya

[flat mist]

Atleast buy me dinner first

[main trellis]

I’m poor

[flat mist]

Dont worry ive got something you can eat

YOUR WORDS YOU LIL BITCH

[main trellis]

MAN

[flat mist]

[hexed basin]

dual autopistol after run and gun and sticky hand is kinda sick

[main trellis]

Ikr? Its the best combo

[dire badge]

What does sticky hand do?

[hexed basin]

reduce spread and turn auto pistol into sniper pistol

desperado with dual autopistol is very fun Rambo style. With rending stim it can even kill a crusher, though that seems to be a waste of desperado time

desperado is mainly clutch when one is suddenly caught in a wall of gunners and shotgunners

[muted pivot]

I feel like the rocket launcher is mandatory for despies tbh

But yeah rending DAPs can do it

[muted pivot]

Also casually reviving with snipers on you

[hexed basin]

it is not unlike vet autogun build. But they regenerate krak grenades

[muted pivot]

Genuinely on Despy all of my kit apart from my guns is selected based on killing Crushers

Rashad and a rocket launcher lol

[hexed basin]

how many hacks with rashad to kill a crusher

I feel like at some point it's a waste of hive scum time to be focusing on crushers when it could be killing more vital gunners and specials

In fact I find myself just saving the rocket launcher for clutch moments. Usually my team can kill crushers pretty well and a rocker is too precious to waste on competing with them

[main trellis]

Not only
I’m yet to see anyone who plays like that (apart from me) but; its a perfect dive ability - enables dive tacticts where you go in, kill as many things as you can & get back to your team after

[main trellis]

You can shoot them by proxy; its all based on many factors like terrain, team comp, number of enemies & threats ect.
With rending & att spd on reload path with despy you can chomp crushers with DAP

[lucid walrus]

do dlcs go on sale? i want to buy hivescum but 50 pln for a class is pretty outrageous or is it worth that much

[austere coyote]

yeah they go on sale

no idea when next one will be

[buoyant pewter]

The Game + Arbitor DLC where on sale at the end of march, no hivescum though as far as i can remember, maybe when next dlc comes out

[zenith pagoda]

Amtech gonna be hype

[verbal dew]

#🐦tweets-sermons message p recently

[rain snow]

2 budding interrogators in my team, both died 3 times on damnation, one ragequit

like how

[main trellis]

Title/amount of games played does not equal skill

[vapid jungle]

Titles don't mean anything

[rain snow]

1000 completed missions mean something actually

[astral canyon]

yeah how much time they wasted on this game

[rain snow]

which logically would mean they have understanding of basics

[astral canyon]

lol

lmao

[vapid jungle]

Lmfao even

[rain snow]

like one death, shit happens, two, unlucky, three and ragequit? lmao

[vapid jungle]

Yea nothing to do with titles just brittle spirits

[rain snow]

ironically some of the worst teammates i had were poxbreakers

not because they were bad, but because they thought they are so good they just went solo, randomly died to a trapper and ragequit

[crimson moss]

random teammates waiting until the exact frame you start helping them up to ragequit

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-gif-1621869694518284394

bonus points if you bust your ass bashing your way through a horde to get to them

[vapid jungle]

That is the worst. You commit fully to picking them up and they leave you with a bot that won't push bursters😩

[main trellis]

Nah; met many ppl who had more games completed/hpurs in the game & were dogshit

[main trellis]

Some ppl are not for certain games

Like me for horror games

Hell nah

[spare tartan]

same

[heavy compass]

Is the point of not using all of your stimm assignment value is to lower the viscoity and hence lower the cool down?

[astral canyon]

yeah

less points spent=less cooldown

its not really needed for most builds tbh

just go for maxed out stimms

[hexed basin]

15 seconds cooldown for your stim supply mine

Though I still think desperado is a more fun ability , curing corruption is sometimes required

[dense hollow]

the niche is strong when you need it and gas immunity but tbh i prefer running maxed stimms when running stimm supply

[muted pivot]

The stimm bomb is just a havoc trick really

Rotten armour and spreading blight

[wispy pond]

how do you use the needle pistol? I hear its good but what for

[lucid walrus]

are the shotguns good?

[woeful hill]

Yes

[lucid walrus]

peak

[astral canyon]

killing enemies

you just shoot 2-3 needles at something and its dead

requires pretty much 0 talent investment to make it work too

[main trellis]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/11200082058670629154/E56E39426F4A471EE1536774B771E0CEDE8D286E/

[hexed basin]

the needle pistol can kill anything
except a bunch of (small g) gunners spread apart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbH1ChGL5D0

[bronze glade]

Shooters?

One needle in the head might kill them tbh

[hexed basin]

yeah but then you are wasting all the ammo on trash

and of course you can play Pickpocket but even that doesn't mean you can keep spamming. it's better to leave the anti-gunner job to someone else

[woeful hill]

on the class with infinite ammo its fine

[hexed basin]

stim supply build or desperado

[mighty belfry]

Either

Pickpocket is still goofy strong

[woeful hill]

1 point investment for infinite ammo

[mighty belfry]

I mean I wouldn't really use needler with desperado anyway but

The option is there I suppose.

[knotty hawk]

So, what's everyone's thoughts on the state of scum atm?

I ask because I rarely see scum in Havoc these days

[mighty belfry]

Either gonna kick the bucket at the first sign of adversity

Or be absolutely Godlike in pure damage output

There's no in between lol

[knotty hawk]

Yeah high skill floor

[mighty belfry]

Essentially. Really bad if you don't got a handle on your fundamentals too well.

Outright abrasively overpowered if you do.

[knotty hawk]

Are you talking across all builds or about one in specific?

[brittle sierra]

Psyker and Scum are the best classes in the game by a landslide

[knotty hawk]

So my friends are coping is what you're telling me lmao

[brittle sierra]

Idk what did they say?

[mighty belfry]

If they're saying Scum is bad

Yeah they're coping.

[knotty hawk]

Basically every time they play scum, they say the pickpocket nerf ruined the class

[mighty belfry]

Holy shit.

Bro.

[brittle sierra]

Dogwater

[mighty belfry]

All you need to do is kill any priority target with your melee and you still have infinite ammo.

Pickpocket nerf was a slap on the wrist.

[knotty hawk]

And I don't really play scum, it's just not for me, but I have a fairly decent grasp of what's strong or weak overall and I just have a hard time believing them

[mighty belfry]

It did change things.

[brittle sierra]

Even if pickpocket didn't exist at all

Scum would still be one of the best classes

[knotty hawk]

Like, desperado STILL gives infinite ammo during its duration

[mighty belfry]

But it is not even remotely to the extent to say it ruined the class.

[knotty hawk]

Melee scum is crazy dps

And tox scum has one of the craziest ranged weapons in the game

[mighty belfry]

If anything. The pickpocket nerf is a nothingburger for what is arguably Scum's best setup

Which is Rampage

[knotty hawk]

Neither of them play rampage

[mighty belfry]

Well there's the problem.

Rampage is overtuned as shit rn

[knotty hawk]

That's a different point you're making though

Rampage is busted, that's not even debatable

[mighty belfry]

Desperado is still really strong for a different reason.

Crate scum allows you to give a huge buff to not only you but your team.