hivescum-class

[rough peak]

[woeful hill]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-underpants-gif-352649595225560286

[compact oyster]

i see hamdol thought you some tricks lmao

[woeful hill]

taught and no

we are experimenting

we already found multiple maps we can finish sub 3 min

https://klipy.com/gifs/clap-with-me-chat-crygup

[compact oyster]

https://klipy.com/gifs/patrick-star-minor-s

[compact oyster]

alley rat is very funny

[mighty belfry]

Annoying thing about using a really high mobility melee with alley

Is that you actually float at the end of the dodge and it ends up slowing you down

It's really off-putting for me

[reef spoke]

Oh I would have guessed accidentally flinging yourself

[mighty belfry]

That too.

But that happens with Nimble anyway

[reef spoke]

"Oh right there is a stairway there" as I go flying

[thin seal]

that feel when you want to go fast chopping people up with shivs and rampage but your wrist says NO after like 2 games 🙁

[bronze glade]

This is why you macro

[icy lark]

How much stronger is the stub pistols special action?

[astral canyon]

Pretty strong

More stagger, more crit chance and a lot more finesse scaling

Also really accurate

[vapid jungle]

Maximum aura most importantly

[mint valve]

What would be the best stimm blend of all 4 trees for a support scum

Preferably without diminishing returns

[bronze glade]

wtf is a support scum

All scum are dps scum

[mint valve]

Learn to be supportive chuddy

Some people dont like mashing their face into a horde all the time

[molten shale]

tfw fatshark refuses to add farming and animal husbandry

[bronze glade]

Everything is everyone’s job in this game

This ain’t overwatch

Stimm setup is basically up to you

All the paths work

[mint valve]

L bait

Im supporting my team by stimming them with a full buff from each tree

Thats support scum

Overwatch is ass

And trying to compare supporting gameplay in dt to overwatch is a joke

[bronze glade]

Crazy to say that and then agree with me right after

Glad we’re on the same page

[warm axle]

you get a lot of value out of any of the top right three for every class, if you want to stimm "support"

[bronze glade]

They’re all good, though top left least good

[warm axle]

Tanks 30% replenishment would be a nutty buff to have, but it competes with the other three being stuff that actually helps kill things lol

[mighty belfry]

Top left for crate specificallt

Is actually really good.

That's a big defensive buff for anyone who gets a dose.

[mint valve]

Spur isnt very useful past the first 2

Unless you just want to use it

[jovial heron]

I do the same

[mighty belfry]

That toughness replenishment is real nice with good uptime

[jovial heron]

TDR isn’t terrible either. I go for fast cooldown on stimpack so out of all of the it seem the most beneficial with low investment

[mighty belfry]

god I love heavy sword on this class

[flat mist]

Yeah anyone who takes full spur in any build that doesnt use the recoil/reload is memeing

And support scum is a thing dont listen to the troll

Its a relative term that normal people can understand doesnt mean you dont also dps

Dont do all four trees though, man. Thats cooked. Pick two and max them out.

If you have a shriek psyker they'll go nuts w/ a kalma v & rending stimm

[flat mist]

Its DR mitchy, even better

[mighty belfry]

I'm considering if maybe.

Cheap Shots might not be a bad idea on this thing

[mint valve]

Me thinks overdosing on all 4 drugs will make it better yes

[flat mist]

Absolutlely not

[mint valve]

I only used spur for attack speed boost

But

Not important always

For others maybe if wielding slow weapon

[flat mist]

Spur is certainly a fun option for classes like psyker that dont get much attack speed

Give the FGS meleeker spur + strength stimm

[mint valve]

I havve the option of equally putting points into wildfire, kalma and barrage or just max out barrage and wildfire

Though kalma affects me doesnt it?

[flat mist]

Yes

[mint valve]

Once the box goes boom that 15 second linger should transfer

[flat mist]

You have a 32s cooldown with kalma V + 4ChD

[verbal dew]

this is how it feels to chew 5 gum

[mint valve]

Atrocious tree

Not even chem dep

[verbal dew]

I purposefully skipped hive city brawler at the final stretch

[flat mist]

Yeah i was like i love that you picked the worst two there

[mint valve]

So wildfire is always a given max

But barrage or kalma is the question

More ability means more good

But toughness

The stimm i usually went was 3 barrage, 2 spur, 5 wildfire, and 3 kalma

It used all volume and touched every base

[neat delta]

Disgusting

[flat mist]

My issue with a stim like this is that your spending 12s of cooldown for 18.75% cd regen and leaving 31.25% on the table that costs 18s

Can see here that 3 and 4 nodes is mathematically undesirable

Also this is why i always put Kalma II on my ChD rampage builds (usually with Wildfire V and Spur II). Little investment with good payoff (same CD as kalma V w/out ChD) and I still dont feel bad if I pop it during rampage.

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/calculated-calculate-420-69-quick-maffs-gif-22486735

[flat mist]

https://tenor.com/view/666-digital-numbers-digital-numbers-flashing-gif-5944997

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-67-67-south-park-67-south-park-6-7-gif-13284396363591354590

[wide burrow]

meth-math?

[flat mist]

I did do this while on amphetamines, yes

[wide burrow]

hive scum moment

[mint valve]

So with a rampage frenzy build

Its best just to max out wildfire and kalma

Id guess

Pop rampage, once it ends, stimm

Makes up for damage falloff because of rampage exhaustion and helps get it back faster

[wide burrow]

you are running ChD with this?

[mint valve]

Fuh no

Im a non meta boy

Yes i still use chd

But

[wide burrow]

millenial hipster

[mint valve]

Adrenaline frenzy eliminates the pain of missing a stimm stack by 5 seconds

If your team is ripping hordes up before you can then its pain

I only use chd if i have a stimmy pack scum to help with stacks

[wide burrow]

how are you missing stimms, if i may ask?

[mint valve]

60 seconds per stack, 50-57 second cd stimm

[wide burrow]

oh no....

[mint valve]

One mistake or stuck in a bad spot and you lose the stack

Its aids

[wide burrow]

see there's your problem

[mint valve]

But adrenaline frenzy with a convinient stimm solves the issue

I didnt spell that right but wtv

[wide burrow]

this setup, important part being the right modifier not being taken, makes it so you have 90s

[mint valve]

More stack equal better

My addiction to stimms will not be stifled by a cooldown

I will stimm edge

[wide burrow]

you get toughness damage reduction and toughness restoration from the middle modifier

[mint valve]

Ik

[wide burrow]

yeah

[mint valve]

Im not new to scum

[wide burrow]

meaning if you take a shorter cd stimm, you get to pop the 50% toughness restore quicker

TDR is something scum doesn't have in other keystones

[mint valve]

As long as i have fodder in front of me it genuinely doesnt matter, same with a stimmy-pack scum

As long as i feed myself drugs im good

If i have to edge it

So be it

Anything for more drugs

High cleave dps shivs with stimm ehancing doesnt have to really worry about toughness

[rough peak]

15s 50% toughness restore memes

[mint valve]

The rate at which he gains toughness is too high to be concerned with it

[plush cove]

man I used to always say Hive Scum was pretty reasonable pre-Beyond the Hive update, even with Pickpocket...but it's hard to defend them now xD

[wide burrow]

i did think about doing that at some point though

[plush cove]

even with the Pickpocket nerf, Hive Scum's dps is jsut stupid now

[wide burrow]

when i was doing vulture's, i ran only hypex

[mint valve]

Scum is just slayer bardin with extra steps

Change my mind

Wait

You cant

[plush cove]

lol, Slayer wasn't THIS bonkers xD

[wide burrow]

false. high level enemies deal a lot more damage

[mint valve]

You havent used double hammer with great axe

[wide burrow]

at least a mauler whack (not overhead) keeps catching me off guard with the damage

[mint valve]

The humble dodge button:

[wide burrow]

why are we running any toughness in that case? or toughness regen?

[plush cove]

I mean I got like 2k hours in VT2, granted I didn't play much Slayer but at least Slayer didn't have "delete-all" kit lol

[wide burrow]

just don't get hit

[mint valve]

I have almost 3k aswell

Slayer was able to do what the name implied

Bosses or chaos warriors were no exception

[plush cove]

im just sayin, I saw this Hive Scum in H40 solo, and he was able to delete EVERYTHING, with just pushattack knife...

chem toxin is...dumb.

[mint valve]

To be fair

On a regular knife

The push attack is

Strong

On anyone

Even vet

Or psyker

[plush cove]

sure, but still the chem toxin is what does it.

not to mention chem toxin "Wildfire"

[mint valve]

Extra finesse plus a blatant damage boost

Mixed with toxin melting

Scum is a sleeper agent that thrives off DOT

When he gets stimmed he cant be killed unless youre as slow as a turtle

Even crowbar, in its shitty state is still enough to hold back stagger resistant enemies

Besides crushers obviously...

Because crushers are just a big fuck you from fatshart

At this point im just waiting for a class thats even more busted than release arbites

[plush cove]

release Arbites wasn't even bad, it was during that one bug that occured to the dog, release Arbites was actually pretty decent.

Scum however atm...is closer to bugged dogbites...hell, maybe even more than that.

That said, I think it's mostly due to Needle pistol, chem nades and what not, hell maybe even Rampage but not too sure...to the point that Scum's other weapons are completely overshadowed atp despite not even being bad.

[plush cove]

I just think it's kinda dumb how FS absically made chem toxin in general even dumber than it already was, not to mention giving Scum the equivalent of Wildfire too

[mint valve]

To be fair

Gunlugger ogryn used to just stack an ungodly amount of fire

Which destroyed everything

[plush cove]

yes, which was actually a bug and was fixed eventually xD

in this case, I don't think it is...

[mint valve]

Toxin that eats flesh is a different story

[near mauve]

scum in general is just too much dmg cause "He's squishy" except u can just perma dodge and avoid most dmg anyway

[plush cove]

exactly...their dodging isn't even "skillful", like you don't have to worry about any timing or anything like that

it's just ooga booga space bar

[near mauve]

i read some dude saying scum is a stat stick class and i kinda get it

[mint valve]

Psyker is a backline glass cannon so they are slow mostly, scum in frontlining, so alot of endurance would be necessary to kiss every enemy without getting pancaked

[dense hollow]

psyker is not a glass cannon anymore

just simply a cannon

[mint valve]

Me when trauma staff psyker can just sit in a horde and not gaf

Funny boom kill everything

[plush cove]

I mean...not REALLY, a lot of the times scum can just sit in the back and shoot a few needles, occasionally go up to stab a dude but that's about it

[mint valve]

Me watching a rampaging scum with wildfire stimm rip through 10 crushers and a thick chaff horde for ZERO reason:

[plush cove]

that is also waht I was talking about, which is also dumb af, but it's like Scum isn't limited to ANYTHING anymore

I feel like there's no line drawn

[mint valve]

What do you expect

Hes a crackhead with crackhead strength

And he has better weapons than half of the roster

Despite being a ganger

[plush cove]

Well...yeah, I expect not that lol

Arbites is a damn balanced class now, I wish Scum would also be like that asp...

[mint valve]

When you have access to P.E.D. and explosives anything is possible

Btw thats performance enhancing drugs

Ok i cleep i tired yes

[near mauve]

scum didnt sell as much hence the buffs

[main trellis]

Tbh they do be right cause it makes mediocre weapons op

[near mauve]

and all the slptubers were crying about how weak it is

[plush cove]

lul

oh man

you might be right tbh

[mint valve]

Now imagine if ratlings or a mechanicus class was added

Surely

They wouldnt be busted right

Ik they arent adding ratlings

Btw

[main trellis]

Scum didn’t sell cause;
chuds can’t survive & reviewbombed it
Ppl expected admech even tho it was hinted it ain’t gonna be

[plush cove]

it's kinda silly tho cuz AT THE MOMENT, compared to be4 the patch, I haven't seen anyone take anything other than Needle Pistol now. Before I'd see a lot of autoguns and stub pistols...

if anything, Scum's loadout got worse

[near mauve]

tbh the class's "unqiue" gameplay is just stats dialed up to 11
wowza billion melee dmg, wowza full ranged immunity, wowza infinite toxin spread, wowza infintie dodges

[plush cove]

in terms of variety

[mint valve]

I like me autopistols or shredda or even double barrel

[main trellis]

Exacly… i hate that every scum i see uses needler… like cmon…

[plush cove]

do i think Pickpcoket needed a nerf? Yes, but they also made Chem Toxins GIGA STUPID which is stupid

[near mauve]

they also fked up the marketing arbites had a badass well made trailer that sold everyone on something they never seen before
The scum trailer was os bad

[main trellis]

Ye i forgot about that dogshit

[mint valve]

"ATTENTION BLOCK FODDER.."

And thus arbites was born

[spice cloud]

No lmao

[main trellis]

I guess Ching chong bing bong Tencent & GW did not like the original & had to be scrapped

[near mauve]

the trailer just didnt sell anyone on how call gangers are

arbites tariler showcased them fully

[main trellis]

Would not say so

[near mauve]

showed the dog, showed them marching like they dont give a shit, showed them dominating with shotguns

the scum trailer was a random chick spraying uzis

[main trellis]

Voice showcase of the maul

[near mauve]

no toxins no drugs no rampage

[plush cove]

well I ahven't tested everything, but at the moment, I haven't seen any arbites in my H40 excel at...well, anything crazy

[mint valve]

To be perfectly honest arbites needs some form of focus to do well, because if the rest of your team isnt holding their weight you have to be prepared to thug it out

[main trellis]

Just a crowbad

[spice cloud]

Arbi is just a clutchibg machine with endless toughness

I did not feel the „nerfs“ at all

[main trellis]

Cause bad builds duh

[mint valve]

Idk what arbites youre using but one wrong move and the potential to be shredded like paper is endless

[spice cloud]

Idk what arbi u using

[plush cove]

it's always the same builds tho xD, the charge, shock maul, shock mines, etc...

[mint valve]

Arbites needs constant fodder to survive

[compact oyster]

yeah the scum trailer just kinda sucked

[plush cove]

so idk

[near mauve]

i remember vids of people playing release arbite surviving shit u cant survive with others tbf and crying about how it trivilized the game tho
players like ainz got their first 40 solo with arbites
i think people underestimate how broken arbites was simply because other classes got a makeover

[compact oyster]

and it also shows fatshark had no real material to pull from

[main trellis]

Thats the point; dogshit copypaste

[compact oyster]

arbites trailer was obv dredd inspired

[near mauve]

it felt like they made that stuff in a week lol

[main trellis]

You should see my Captain Blast then; its stupid

[spice cloud]

The higher u go in diff the less of a problem that becomes

[mint valve]

Why to contact grenades have to be so ass compared to being tased by a disc on the ground

[spice cloud]

There IS constant fodder

[dense hollow]

arby nades are good

wth is this slander

[near mauve]

impacts are good

[main trellis]

Lol they are not? Of all things in majority of the situations they are better

[plush cove]

either way, I haven't seen an Arbites does anything crazier than let's say an Ogryn tanking, or Zealot's boss dmg, or the utility of Vet's smoke and etc...THAT SAID tho, I do think Arbites is very good, and on par with 4 base classes. Scum's just dumb rn.

Arbties Grenades is great

[spice cloud]

Sometimes i ask myself if i am playing an entirely different class when i read this

[mint valve]

Ive only seen 2 arbites use them since release, that isnt even a joke or bait

Ive genuinely never seen them

[near mauve]

its simple after every class got mega juiced arbite is like a jack of all trades master of none

no super lethal gimmick just all around great stats

[spice cloud]

Arguably the best frontline facetank

[main trellis]

Cause ppl copypaste mines cause ‚hurr durr op stops everything’ type shit
Ppl do not think

[plush cove]

which is fine, I would say it's pretty balanced more or less.

[mint valve]

Ok im bedding yes

[spice cloud]

And you can get pretty crazy dmg too

[near mauve]

i mean if your point of reference is high havocs then mines dominate

or da dawg

[dense hollow]

the copypasted dogless mine arby maul build

h40 approved

[mint valve]

I mean i love the mines, they save my ass but

[plush cove]

I'd say Ogryn still takes that spot, but it's mostly cuz he's so big that I get annoyed a lot of the times lol

[mint valve]

Yk

[spice cloud]

As an ogryn main i disagree

Arbi just doesnt habe ogryns downsides imo

And all the positives

[near mauve]

arbi also doesnt have taunt

[spice cloud]

U have btl

[near mauve]

nah man taunt in the hand of a good player is just ez mode

[spice cloud]

So is btl

[mint valve]

But does arby have passive shoving everything out of the way

[near mauve]

i played with an ogryn who made a 35 feel like a 20

[mint valve]

Ok enough bait im out

[spice cloud]

No but arby doesnt have a giant ass hitbox with terrible dodges

[main trellis]

Not all
Oggy can tank shooters & gunners
Arby will fold fast
Oggy is on average more tanky than arby; also offers better debuffs & better boss dmg & taunt manipulation

[near mauve]

btl is great but u just knock shit over
with taunt u take AND control full aggro and its on a fast cooldown

[plush cove]

meh, apart from the shield, I just see Ogryns face tanking everything with Grenadier Gaunlet, knocking EVERYTHING down constantly

[main trellis]

Also shield taunting shooters which is also unique

[spice cloud]

I still feel more vulnerable to shooters trappers etc with ogryn

[plush cove]

Arbites however, without their charge and stance, they die super fast without shield

not to say Arbites isnt tanky mind

[near mauve]

ogryn is the type of class where u either get it or u dont

lets leave it at that

ogryn will get shit on by random bullshit but if u know how to mitgiate that he;s a big goofy guy

doing big goofy things

[plush cove]

basically

[main trellis]

Thats like every class tho

[near mauve]

you know what im talking about

[compact oyster]

also nigh unkillable since recently

[near mauve]

the 50% dr on dodge is so goofy xddd

[compact oyster]

its extremely goofy

bascically you cant die

[livid raven]

Makes a lot of sense tho

[unique dagger]

the humble trapper shooting through 2 walls and 123 enemies

[compact oyster]

we dont talk about that shhh\

[near mauve]

trappers are fair and balanced

[flat mist]

Uh, buddy. You have not cooked.

It doesnt matter if you drop by one stack

Because as soon as you stimm again you're at full...

You do not have to worry at all about the decay of your stacks unless you're holding an available stimm for a stupid amount of time

[icy lark]

whats the difference between the needle pistol marks?

[flat mist]

The special attack. One mk does an aoe stagger on kill. The other does an aoe on kill that applies one stack of toxin.

[livid raven]

Mk7 does more stack on weakspots and has an useless special mode that reportedly causes enemies killed wuth it to explode for stagger in an aoe (it's ass), the other has a special mode that applies 2 stacks of toxic on aoe on death which is actually pretty ok

[flat mist]

Mk 7 does not exist, and the aoe from mk 2 applies one stack like i already said

[livid raven]

Mk6 same thing

You didn't say anything about the weakspot crit differences

[flat mist]

Yes but thats not what im referring to

The aoe applies one stack, not two.

[muted pivot]

What perks do we do for rashad? Flak+what?

I had unarmoured but I wonder if there's much point

gonna try unyielding I suppose

[crimson moss]

do you really need more damage against unarmored enemies of all things

[muted pivot]

Well testing it in auric just now I found it actually caught on a dreg or something and didn't kill it in one hit

I might have hit an arm

axe catches = half a kill instead of 4 kills

idk might be worth it to get unarmoured anyway, it already bullies crushers really well

only other thing I would think of would be unyielding for bosses, didn't get to fight a boss that mission so didn't find out lol

was a very quick run where everything was going great until I got hit by a net, and the very first time I lost control of my character would be the last moment I got to control my character until the game over screen

[reef spoke]

For Vet, it was used to kill scab bruisers in 1 tap allowing brutal momentum to fuck them up

I don't think Scum gets as much value due to how many buffs from other sources they have

[astral canyon]

It prob helps with starting the hyperviolence train

[reef spoke]

I could see that too

[halcyon portal]

Flak and Maniac

is what I run

[bronze glade]

you need unarmored unless you pick up sweet spot (and maybe one other talent idr)

unarmored cara is what i run

[low harbor]

Unarmored carapace

[muted pivot]

Flak is really unnecessary on it huh? I like that

[low harbor]

it's good but not required

[reef spoke]

just ask the game politely to not spawn Scabs

[jovial heron]

Just tell the game “Path says this weapon is the best so just die please”

[stray mulch]

MK2 makes green yellow smoothies out of the horde

really satisfying watching every chaff die taking crushers and other elites along with them

[jovial heron]

https://tenor.com/view/smoothie-schmufie-dog-gif-17476354

Rampage also makes smoothie

[stray mulch]

tis also true

[marble seal]

Do you really? I’ve never used unarmored. What’s it do for you

[bronze glade]

scab bruiser breakpoint

without it rashad feels really bad

[marble seal]

Headtaker doesn’t clear it?

[low harbor]

it just takes more buffs to get there

and I do think in this case accessibility matters

[warm cypress]

What would you say the optimal one looks like, stats and blessings wise? I've been using this stinker and wanted to make it feel better

[astral canyon]

60% mobility

[warm cypress]

Oh I'm dumb, bro literally said rashad, wrong weapon entirely lmao

[bronze glade]

i run these blessings, perks look fine too

but yeah mob dump

[plucky nymph]

i had fun with shock n awe and the +60% weakspot thing. sure no shred crits but that 60% WS basically snaps h40 big targets like they are nothing, especially bosses and then shock n awe with cleave stacking will let u kind of barely deal with 21st moeb

but its literally just not a good weapon cause all that cleave stacking and it still can barely do hordes, its just annoying lol most single target weapons with no cleave in the game are fast so they can at least kill 1 by 1 quickly

this butt ass cleaver is slow and mostly kills 1 by 1

[warm cypress]

THIS, dude I want the weapon to be good so bad because it's cool but damn does it not feel effective

Does crowbar feel better now? Haven't tried it again since the recent patch on it

[tranquil fjord]

crowbar is still meh

cheap shot was buffed i think so it should help more

but even then it still feels

just okay

[warm cypress]

So another few months of daggers or nothing, got it.

I remember people saying something about heavysword melee scum, that comparable?

[jovial heron]

Tacaxe, combat axe, knife/combat blade are all good weapons too if you are looking for alternatives

[warm cypress]

Noted, haven't thought about trying a combat blade build. I'll give her a go

[jovial heron]

I believe @mighty belfry has a heavy sword build that is good but not like broken. Mostly focuses on cleaving units and putting tox on everything and getting damage bonuses from that

[mighty belfry]

Hi that's me

[jovial heron]

Sorry who are you?

[mighty belfry]

Heavy sword apologist

[jovial heron]

Damn and you just….admit that in public?

https://tenor.com/view/waow-based-wow-thinking-doodle-gif-12262272166408784207

[mighty belfry]

Tbh

[warm cypress]

Sounds dope ngl

[mighty belfry]

I changed the stimm to rending for rotten

[jovial heron]

Yeah I can see that

[mighty belfry]

Honestly prefer it that way. You notice the extra damage when it's being gated by their fuckass DR

I was playing with a stimm scum and had

Probably the smoothest rotten armor run I've had in a while with it

[jovial heron]

Hmmmmm what was the rest of the team

[mighty belfry]

Exe stance vet and BTL arby

Not a hint of gold anywhere.

It's almost like

If the team in question is consistently doing damage

Rotten armor

Actually isn't so bad.

[jovial heron]

Was there a 21st?

I am just impressed hordeclear was so smooth. Heavy sword gonna heavy sword and two scum I assume

[plucky nymph]

Try dclaw. I literally use nothing else, I havent even equipped shivs yet

[jovial heron]

This guy just wants to play sekiro

[mighty belfry]

21st and Rot ya

[jovial heron]

Good job

[mighty belfry]

There was a point

Where I legit saw my sword cleave like

16 walkers because of HV

[jovial heron]

Feels good

[mighty belfry]

Perfect strike is really funny

[plucky nymph]

@warm cypress devils claw on havoc 40

[mighty belfry]

Devil's Claw is also really good though

[jovial heron]

I need some footage of it into carapace. I just am unsure

[mighty belfry]

I wish I was recording that last game

[jovial heron]

Alright now show getting squished by greeding armor pack parries

[plucky nymph]

since i started using guaranteed special activation, i went from getting overheaded 1-2x per game, to 0 since i put the mod on like 2 weeks ago

if you kite in a serpentine pattern or against walls then only a couple overheads come at once and i try to eat just the last one, its weird to explain but its so good for it

sure it aint shivs but if in doubt u can say fk it and just needle pistol xD

[jovial heron]

Damn you are very patient

Should be Bruh Many Moments

[plucky nymph]

i started needling as many different armor in a pack just once each and then the crit tox on melee kept up the DoTs on each one as i rotate around a pack, i noticed the TTK on the armor packs speeding up quite a lot

[jovial heron]

Turns out tox dots are strong

https://tenor.com/view/a-lot-of-news-breaking-news-proclaim-unfold-happening-gif-12381791

[main trellis]

Its also CC; mainly CC

That btl most likely did the heavy lifting

[jovial heron]

Specifically on those gosh darned fartfucks

[mighty belfry]

That and Forge's with blackouts

[jovial heron]

Oh right forges exists

[mighty belfry]

Scum had rockets already so

You shouldn't

It's actually really good.

[jovial heron]

I am sure it is

🎵 opportunity cost 🎶

Too many good talents

[mighty belfry]

True. But forge's is really good at regaining control of a dicey situation.

It's a utility I never ignore in havoc

Except

If I'm running d claw and I wanna parry max

[jovial heron]

I know myself. I would use rampage less to “save” the shout for a bad situation

[mighty belfry]

Honestly not the worst idea if you have strength stimms anyway

I do that. Use stimms for fodder if needed but if I know I'm about to get a crazy spawn or I need the DR to skirt past gunfire, then I'll Rampage

Arguably

It's how I get such great uptime with it lol

[jovial heron]

OR I could just rampage on cooldown.

My blender is a nonthinking blender

[mighty belfry]

I'm a calm and collected murderer

[jovial heron]

https://tenor.com/view/sherlock-holmes-psychopath-sociopath-benedict-cumberbatch-gif-3683126

[zenith pagoda]

Is there a mod that allows using weapons on different classes?

[toxic dagger]

man these shivs sure are something

[iron saddle]

The real question is how can we infect nurgle with fun poison 🤔 when they would love it. Maybe idk the lore 😂

[mossy cairn]

Me and a few friends make jokes that the chems are just soap since they don't hurt the rejects but demolish nurgel followers

[loud crater]

oh hey you're one of my favorite scum :)

[flat mist]

Yes

Only in solo play ofc

[zenith pagoda]

could you send the link

[flat mist]

Cant remember what its called hahahah

I think @hollow oar was posting clips using it last week

[mighty belfry]

You know, I didn't even see this

But the vet in the team noticed and said "Heavy Sword with Rampage? That based huh?"

I should record my games honestly lol

Me bringing off meta stuff prompts funny results.

[jovial heron]

played with a fatscum today and thought of you

[woeful hill]

<@&735928989146939404>

log out of accounts and change password, goodluck

[main wagon]

[mighty belfry]

Mr. Beast strikes again

[mighty belfry]

I haven't ran Fatscum in a lil

I should.

Except on Cranial. Fuck that

[main trellis]

you're telling me; its a neverending mine of content believe me

@manic wolf Forever Winter is on sale now...
I am tempted... but unsure still...

[unkempt salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/aniyabea-yt-man-stare-ab-yt-man-stare-aniyab-gif-10494397403125281154

Excise Vault, Damnation. Very end of the mission, we have a bot and our Zealot died a millisecond before he could be revived, just me and a Psyker left. I get bodyblocked and Trapped, the Psyker just stands there shooting flames at two poxers instead of freeing me, so a Burster jumps on me. A horde spawns and the Psyker doesn't free me until it's right on top of us, so I get stuck in the horde with Rampage still on CD and I die

Psyker rotates to revive spot, avoiding the horde, a Trapper and a hound, begins rescuing the Zealot unhindered, stops rescuing him and rescues the bot instead, then goes down. The bot does nothing and dies too

[main wagon]

[shudders] People play Hsword without Rampage?

I love when my HEAVY sword can actually kill trash in one swing

[mighty belfry]

Heavy sword with strength stimm ain't half bad either

But rampage is obviously just made for it

[main wagon]

Ugh but being so reliant on just the stim

Yeah, at least with Rampage you’re kinda always in some sort of effective mode

Until the update and some changes to my stim lab, I didn’t quite have the full cycle where I’m almost always gaining Rending from either Desperado or the stim

Feels great now

Permaboosted

[marble seal]

Even with no rampage no stim it’s fine

You get a ton of crits

Just spam special h1

[mighty belfry]

I just do special h1 into heavy spam tbh

Impact on heavies is actually really good.

[rancid plaza]

any advice on a good havoc build currently at havoc 22?

[flat mist]

No, sorry

[rancid plaza]

all good thank you

[flat mist]

Seriously tho link your build and we can help

[rancid plaza]

currently using this one https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a083151c-9fc9-4e84-9c27-cee4720e0ada/stimmtec-will-it-blend-hive-scum-blender-build

Issue for me is on lower levels its gold but when it comes to havoc the damage doesnt seem to be there

granted still getting used to dodging all the time since Im used to playing arbities

[bronze glade]

9 stam meme but not committing all the way by using mk3 shivs

https://tenor.com/view/weakness-disgusts-me-senju-gif-13079766

[rancid plaza]

I do enjoy the double pistols but I heard desperado got nerfed?

[reef spoke]

not really

the closest you can call a nerf is that Pickpocket no longer procs on ranged kills (+ammo when killing an elite or specialist when low reserve ammo)

[rancid plaza]

Any good or viable alternative to that perk? Or is it still good to take

[bronze glade]

Still stupidly powerful

You just need to remember you have a melee now

[rancid plaza]

ahhh okay

[reef spoke]

yeah it's the same amount and all that but only procs on melees

[jovial heron]

https://giphy.com/gifs/graph-its-over-mixed-state-SrIyCbkmeCUNjMeKDp

[rancid plaza]

im just see we are so back

seeing*

[flat mist]

In no way shape or form does the build have 9 stam

[flat mist]

Your main problem is that shivs are a weapon that thrives on crit but you skipped almost all of the available crit in your build

Swap adrenaline frenzy for chem dependancy

Get rid of the garbage ammo aura for crit aura

Get rid of uncanny strike for riposte

[rancid plaza]

awesome thanks. any thing else yall recommend?

[astral canyon]

Uncanny is good but i'd run both it and riposte

And adrenaline is still +25% damage and +10% attack speed so its still strong

[flat mist]

Its strong its just way worse than crit on shivs

If it wasnt a 500% finesse weapon it would be closer

And he's already pathing over to the right so the point tax is irrelevant

[flat mist]

This will blend way harder than your current build

[rancid plaza]

hell yeah

what do you think of the stimm loadout?

[flat mist]

I like it. Strength/finesse stim is ideal and I like that you dont take full Spur. I prefer 2-3 points in spur, but thats small potatoes.

[rancid plaza]

well min/maxing is always good right especially for havocs?

[flat mist]

Sure. Doesnt matter as much as skill but build choices do matter.

[rancid plaza]

appreciate it

I do like the shivs just never seemed to do enough damage against the things that matter

[jovial heron]

https://giphy.com/gifs/wtf-charlie-sheen-ilqOZXJ8pxfQnnLEjK

[jovial heron]

pfffff spending a THIRD point on rampage

[mighty belfry]

why do so many people skip forge's 😭

[flat mist]

Its 4 points you degenerate

And i was trying to stay as close to his choices as i could without picking bad shit

[flat mist]

I always pick

[jovial heron]

https://giphy.com/gifs/digitalpratik-digital-pratik-vRZMCn4FxZBw0XoeB6

[bronze glade]

ig people really hate having massive aoe cc on demand!!

[rancid plaza]

forges?

[flat mist]

Yeah swap the heavy attack rending for forge's bellow

Both are rampage subnodes

[rancid plaza]

oh snap

thanks yall

ima have to try this out tomorrow

thanks for everyones help in fixing my build

[bronze glade]

yeah i don't think forge is mandatory

as good as it is

[jovial heron]

I just use the blackouts with pocket toxin and virulent

feels good

forges is amazing but I get by

But yeah CC is very good in this game

[flat mist]

Forges + blackouts + street tough + bistol or L build

[toxic dagger]

Have you seen me around before?

[calm aurora]

wait forge and street are considered explosions?

[verbal dew]

street tough mentions it's an explosion

forge's says it's a shout

[flat mist]

street is yes

[calm aurora]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1076246644749766687/1333114351086731395/uncaption.gif

[neat delta]

This user lacks adblock

[main trellis]

Ppl are dumb

[ebon lintel]

I just bought the class

Any tips? What builds should I be looking at?

[flat mist]

Dodge

[icy lark]

man the stub pistol damage is like really bad

[ebon lintel]

Oh lord

[near mauve]

tap heads

[icy lark]

the heads have cara armour on them

and the ones that don't are already dead

[near mauve]

its not an anti cara weapon

u shoot gunners/shotgunners/specials ect

[astral canyon]

Theyre good sidearms for melee builds

For desperado not so much

[compact oyster]

melee builds want needle pistol

[manic wolf]

Honestly if you want an EA survival type game, play Vostock instead

[main trellis]

Incomparable to FW tho
So no; not a fan of what Vostock gives; just checked & already not interrested
If i wanted to play Vostock i would play Stalker instead

Still nice 2 know about it

[main trellis]

Correction; Chuds want needle pistol

[manic wolf]

More faith in it in the long run than TFW I'll be honest, but thats fair enough

[main trellis]

I’m a hopium huffer what can i say

[jovial heron]

Oh no the internet man called me a chud I am devastated

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[wide burrow]

2 things:

outside of preference, any reason for hive scum to not be using shivs/combat blade (knife)? i'm trying tactical axe right now and while its heavy cleaving is interesting, it throws a wrench in my plans of "clickclickclickclick for horde, hold for single target", so there would have to be something in tactical axe to gain some leverage against the shivs

what is the curio setup for HS to do well in havoc? curios are always the thing i struggle with the most in havoc building because i don't know the toughness/hp reduction values across difficulties

[fast surge]

All weapons are preference though. Like it's rare for any one weapon to be objectively better than others, there are advantages and disadvantages to any weapon and your preference will decide what you choose

[edgy crest]

Can someone share his hive scum build for speed runs please? I am curious about to try how fast it is

[jovial heron]

I like the tacaxe purely because the combos are interesting and the hordeclear including the push attack means you end up being pretty safe cause you are constantly shoving groups. Also the single target overheads synergizes well with hyper violence stacking for big damage.

Curios are preference but mostly it should be health stacking or toughness stacking depending on your playstyle. Toughness for avoiding chip damage as much as possible and health damage for surviving crazy big hits like a sniper shot or burster explosion

Or if you are real crazy STAMINA STACKING

https://tenor.com/view/goku-ssj-ss1-super-saiyan-gif-6656272275896248319

[wide burrow]

i hear stam stacking is good if you're good, but i still don't know why i would want it, unless the aim is to not get hit at all in the first place

[jovial heron]

It’s mostly a personal challenge I think and also taking the “if it’s dead it’s not a threat” philosophy to an extreme

[wide burrow]

does the philosophy of "infinite pushes" really pay off that hard in terms of damage?

[jovial heron]

If you want a balance you can also have just a single stamina with double health or toughness

[wide burrow]

for knife maybe, but other weapons, surely not

[jovial heron]

? You mean for having tons of stamina?

[wide burrow]

yeah

for having pushes galore, along with maximum sprinting possibility

[jovial heron]

The stamina stacking is to pay into the scum talent that increases attack speed

[wide burrow]

oh... fair

[fast surge]

The stamina stacking is not for pushes but attack speed

[jovial heron]

Also lots of sprinting possibility for closing and blocking attacks etc

[wide burrow]

i know other classes also have 9 stam in curios as a viable build when you're all the way up there in terms of skill, which is why i was confused

[fast surge]

9 stamina from curios with a rashad's +3 stamina is 24% bonus attack speed

[wide burrow]

oh i need to build myself a rashad on scum

[jovial heron]

Yeah some people really like it

[wide burrow]

it's a weapon i always have on classes, even psyker, but end up going for more interesting options anyway

it's so nice but it being just... the weapon to define weapons... means more specialized picks win over it

[jovial heron]

It’s flat damage is impressive and combos are brain dead simple but I think scum just benefits more from weapons that enable lots of big damage crits

But again lots of people think Rashad is top tier

[wide burrow]

i've just spent 260k dockets on getting a mobi dump stat combat axe

[jovial heron]

Do it

[wide burrow]

no i have just spent that much

you'd think i get luckier

[jovial heron]

260 is small potatoes

[wide burrow]

lovely

i'm finished

[fast surge]

Hey at least you can salvage them all with the click of a button now

That used to be tedious af

[jovial heron]

One at a time was super fun and immersive though….

[astral canyon]

Rashad scum is fucking insane

[wide burrow]

what about curio perks? attempting to be as havoc ready as possible, so i'm thinking it's triple revive speed, triple gunner and triple combat ability

i've been saved

[jovial heron]

I think having toughness or health in there depending on which you are maxing is good

CDR isn’t always necessary depending on which ability you are using

[astral canyon]

Ability cdr curios arent as good on scum compared to other classes because of how their abilities work

Their cooldown will only start once the ability ends

I'd prob go for more toughness instead

[wide burrow]

so triple gunner, triple revive, triple toughness/hp depending on what i'm stacking?

for confirmation

[vapid jungle]

For havoc yeh

[verbal dew]

double revive is usually enough, it has diminishing returns compared to gunner resist

[wide burrow]

okay. double revive, triple gunner, triple hp/tgh, one..?

corruption resistance? on scum that feels like trolling

block cost reduction?

[jovial heron]

Lots of options sprint efficiency or the defensive stat you aren’t stacking

[vapid jungle]

Hp/toughness prolly your safest bet. Scum has such great stam values they don't really need help in that regard

[jovial heron]

Yeah but I also am not sure if an extra 6 health (for 5% health) or like 5 toughness (for 5% toughness) is gonna do a whole lot either

[vapid jungle]

I think after the gunner/revive etc there's not a lot for scum to benefit from

Prolly just health for chip but to your point its so minimal

[jovial heron]

https://tenor.com/view/that-god-will-protect-protection-believe-ozark-netflix-gif-16415967

[jovial heron]

Yeah that’s why I said there’s a lot of options for that last random perk cause in the end all of them are close in effectiveness

[ebon lintel]

What are the dump stats on each HS weapon?

[fast surge]

Usually mobility or defence

Needle pistol is damage

[jovial heron]

Or stopping power

[astral canyon]

mobility on shivs and bonesaw, defence on crowbar, either mobility or collateral for daps and stubs (prob collateral), damage for needler

[low harbor]

I run +49% toughness (17% x2, 5% x3), +26% health (21% + 5%), triple gunner, double revive

[wide burrow]

oh it's bath

i will take bath's information to heart most

guide good

[unreal stirrup]

both of them have diminishing return lol

[verbal dew]

gunner doesn't

[unreal stirrup]

damage resistance is multiplicative

[low harbor]

Yea so it’s not diminishing

If anything it gets better the more u stack it?

U get ~195% toughness/health vs gunner as opposed to ~156%

[vapid jungle]

[astral canyon]

Why do you have a fourth curio on the spreadsheet

[vapid jungle]

Was curious if it continued to scale better

[jovial heron]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit-cj-gta-gta-san-andreas-gif-13933485

[mighty belfry]

Stamina max combat knife is fun

[jovial heron]

https://tenor.com/view/hisui-kanon-hisui-kanon-kanon-hisui-anime-gif-9698842781035680221

[mighty belfry]

"There's a Beast of Nurgle be- oh wait it's dead? Wait Toxy what the fuck did you just do to it?"

"Knife."

[jovial heron]

https://tenor.com/view/shimmy-annie-murphy-alexis-alexis-rose-schitts-creek-gif-20805016

[mighty belfry]

Again. I really should record. I am just legit scared of how my game is gonna behave doing so lmao

Finesse stacked knife is just levels of damage i don't even think should be in the game lmao

Precog with finesse stimms is extremely dumb

[jovial heron]

Do you track largest oneshot?

[mighty belfry]

Unfortunately I don't cuz I don't have scoreboard. For whatever reason, it seems to crash on me after a driver update despite me updating it

I'm not sure what's happened.

So I've been using PowerDI

What I do know is that I must have hit that BoN for at least around 30k damage in one stab because of HV ramp

[jovial heron]

https://tenor.com/view/whoa-wtf-omg-excuse-shocked-gif-17016989

[mighty belfry]

Was a weakened one and I did over half its health so it has to be somewhere around that range lol

Mk3 knife go brr

[jovial heron]

How does the mk 3 differ from mk6?

[mighty belfry]

H1 is an overhead stab instead. Push attack is a strikedown that actually does a lot of damage. And special punch is so much easier to chain into combos (I'm not sure why this is so different from mk6)

Mk6 is more generalist overall. But I like the way mk3 feeds into Hyperviolence's nonsense with PA + L + L

I also just find it more fun. Though I'm aware that mk6 is arguably just more accessible and probably better overall because of that.

[bronze glade]

The Chad aura

[mighty belfry]

I also like that it has amazing single target without needing to PA spam as much

[jovial heron]

What do you do for hordeclear?

[mighty belfry]

PA + L + L

Lol

Its a good chain for both horde clear and single target.

PA actually has some considerable cleave to it.

[jovial heron]

Tiny knife cleaves mixed hordes huh?

[mighty belfry]

And since it does a lot of damage, it can start off HV ramping nicely. And because the last light in the chain is a stab, it keeps the ramping going very consistently.

[mighty belfry]

It's lowkey not bad at all.

Mk6 does have an easier time with horde clear because of the vanguard but, it's not a gamebreaker by any means

[jovial heron]

Interesting

Sounds fun

[mighty belfry]

Mk3 knife genuinely makes you feel like a maniac with all the stabbing in the moveset lol

I acknowledge my like for it is vibes.

[muted pivot]

I just now realised that Rashad's a really good sidearm for desperado scum

[bronze glade]

Hmm I didn’t know that

The PA is kinda vertical though

[bronze glade]

Can you hit bruiser one shot light attack breakpoints on desperado scum?

With Rashad

[muted pivot]

I think so? It didn't seem to get stuck when I had headtaker stacks at least

[mighty belfry]

Yeah but it's still serviceable ime, especially since the light follow up is a wider slash.

It's also just a really fast chain and since you're push attacking, you're also depleting hit mass on anything you stagger with the push

[jovial heron]

Spam attacks fast enough and blade geometries don’t matter

https://tenor.com/view/nose-tap-the-bear-ebon-moss-bachrach-richie-jerimovich-taps-nose-gif-15285306325467975386

[bronze glade]

Nice I’ll try it at some point

[mystic rain]

whats the best build for scum if i just wanna win

like is the best guns or melee?

[jovial heron]

I think melee is arguably just a bit stronger

[mystic rain]

this is my build using shivs, can i make any improvements

[jovial heron]

It’s pretty good but I would probably move from 4 stack on chem dep to the TDR node and I would also try the melee damage aura since you already have so much crit chance with chem dep and shivs

Is there an aspect of games that you find the build struggling with? Also what do your shivs look like?

Also this is just me but now that street tough doesn’t affect dog leaps I moved that talent to hypercritical. Hypercritical is so fucking nice on shivs

[mystic rain]

mobility dump, flak, unyielding

[jovial heron]

What blessings?

[mystic rain]

uncanny and riposte

[jovial heron]

Nice yeah everything sounds top pick

[mystic rain]

i just wanted to know if there was anything more optimal

also what the fuck

why am i in gay baby jail

let me out

got eaten by beast of nurgle, now im here

[jovial heron]

The only changes I could suggest would be more like personal preference.

For instance I have carapace and unyielding on my shivs and I also have blackouts with virulent toxin and pocket toxin

[jovial heron]

It happens

[mystic rain]

day 27 in the hole: they havent found me yet but when they do they gonna be suprised

[molten shale]

Gotta wait for a mutie to throw you back

[mystic rain]

cant, no enemies are spawining here anymore

is this the power of the warp

even my teams confused

had to leave :(

[mystic rain]

i dont have enough points for that with everything else i have

[mighty belfry]

To be specific. I'm pretty sure mk3 push attack actually has the same cleave value as Mk6 vanguard heavy

So not amazing but good enough.

Oh and PA + Special + Special follow up light is also a really good single target chain too I'm gathering

[jovial heron]

Yeah that’s why I said personal preference. For instance this is my build

[mighty belfry]

No Forge's

I mean you're doing a ton of damage anyway so I guess I get it

[jovial heron]

Forges just doesn’t flow well in my opinion. I use rampage to have a near constant blender mode DR , damage, and cleave not to have CC. Either I don’t use it enough to save it just for CC instances or for the end shout it just happens randomly after everything is dead or into non priority targets.

Alternatively tox blackouts are instant when I want and regenerate

[mighty belfry]

Honestly the main thing that's nice about it is not the shout when you start it off imho

It's the second shout

[jovial heron]

Yeah but again I want more control over it and not to use rampage as a CC tool but a survival one.

[mighty belfry]

I get you.

That's why I was mentioning your damage. You can get away with that.

[jovial heron]

The best CC is death

https://tenor.com/view/vergil-gif-25306498

[marble seal]

Forge is good on scum because you pretty much only die from getting bodyblocked

[jovial heron]

Dead bodies can’t body block

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[bronze glade]

First shout is great too tho

Run into a crusher patrol and tell them all to sit the fuck down

[jovial heron]

Yeah but if you’re in havoc with the constant flow of spawns I am not gonna wait on using rampage just so I can optimize the shout for an armor pack.

Similarly I am not going to purposely let my rampage end early so I can time the shout on priority targets

[mystic rain]

im gonna be honest i forgot to i could remove my whole 1 extra flash

[jovial heron]

I think rpgs are excellent too like I said it all comes down to personal preference and what flows best with your gameplay.

One of the best clutches I have seen on a scum was them using the rpg at their feet to clear a surrounding armor pack and the guards around the rescue point

[bronze glade]

Yeah ofc. But when rampage does come off cd there’s always shit to knock down at higher difficulties

[jovial heron]

https://tenor.com/view/jerry-rick-and-morty-true-gif-18268523

[mighty belfry]

Oh I do that!

[jovial heron]

gasp maybe it was you

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-realization-sudden-realization-shocked-zoom-gif-25552925

[flat mist]

Its diminishing vs anything that isnt gunners. Lets say you have 200 toughness and take 100 damage from a gunner. Then you get hit by a shooter doing 20 damage per hit. Gunner resist takes you from surviving 5 hits to 6 to 6.8 to 7.44 with each curio... just to make this more complicated

[jovial heron]

https://giphy.com/gifs/zootopia-dmv-3og0INAY5MLmEBubyU

[flat mist]

Also consider regenerating the toughness taken. If you regen 10% toughness per hit it takes 10 hits, then 8, then 6.4 then 5.12 hits to regen your toughness, ie, diminishing returns

But hang on, what if that gunner breaks your toughness. How much does burst of energy restore. We go from 50% of the damage restored to 62.5% to 78.1% to 97.7%. Its no longer diminishing returns!

Its almost as if diminishing returns/not is stoopid and reductive

[jovial heron]

https://giphy.com/gifs/skeleton-im-dead-VN3dGsdlp9nCPUfe8y

[idle plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ryan-gosling-blade-runner-2049-blade-runner-darktide-when-you-find-me-gif-13647306158287826208

[warm axle]

sefoni is proud, you look like a good johndarktide.

[main wagon]

”IN YOUR FAAAAACE”

[main trellis]

Its still good to have it cause it enables you to be more aggressive

[jovial heron]

same could be said about a bunch of talents

[main trellis]

Not if we consider bosses & enemies you rather not wanna get hit by

So everything

Due to how hard they hit

[jovial heron]

i addressed this up above.
Yeah but if you’re in havoc with the constant flow of spawns I am not gonna wait on using rampage just so I can optimize the shout for an armor pack.

Similarly I am not going to purposely let my rampage end early so I can time the shout on priority targets

[north saddle]

I dont know what to think of the new Event. When ever it was dregs it seemed to easy and whenever it was scabs it was really really hard

[main trellis]

Its not about being ‚optimal’; its about having an option to stop the enemy - can save a game, teammates and even your blitz from being used + shockwave after rampage end can help too in for example reviving/rescuing a teammate
Not having forges is not a great choice

[main trellis]

Its poorly executed (shocker)

[raven shard]

I try this build and is good on auric and condemned must try guys
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a15d204c-419e-4500-98a8-9cc7366330ab/oogabooga-one-shot-scum

[muted pivot]

I went with Rampage without Forge's for a long long time thinking the other point was more valuable elsewhere

Started taking Forge's now and wow, I feel like I've been really dumb lol

it's a lot better than it looks from the description imo

[unreal stirrup]

instant stagger is huge

[north saddle]

True. But also scab Units are just vastly more dangerous than dreg units. The scab mauler doesnt even have an equivalent for the dregs and the scab rager is fucking carapace.

[muted pivot]

I feel like scab ragers are less aggressive than dregs though?

they don't feel like they're carapace (flak head and flak core for effects like soulblaze despite carapace torso helps)

[main trellis]

Dregs ragers are way worse cause they attack sooner & faster; scabs are zzz

[north saddle]

My team couldnt deal with them yesterday.

[muted pivot]

just how Darktide is

even threats that are nothing in the big scale of things in the game can just catch you out and humiliate you at a bad moment

I got killed by a single scab shooter in havoc last night

not even a gunner, just a dude with a lasgun

[astral canyon]

Those can actually be more dangerous than gunners sometimes

Since gunner dr from curios doesnt apply to them

[empty bough]

I leveled up hivescum when it came up but I'm wondering which build people are running it on like havoc 40?

[muted pivot]

two lasers and I was with the emperor

[astral canyon]

Mostly rampage melee builds i imagine, or crate depending on modifiers

[muted pivot]

I feel like you could make any of the abilities work

[astral canyon]

Yeah but rampage is rampage

[muted pivot]

and both types of crate are also great, especially on havoc

there's actually a point to the crate bomb style

tried it in auric and it's just a pointless waste lol

ain't nobody's letting things live for long enough for your crate to pop and get value from the tox

[astral canyon]

Yeah but like

Rampage is rampage

Its one of the most insane abilities in the entire game

[main trellis]

Those are 2nd most dangerous enemy in the game tho
1st is dreg shooter btw

[main trellis]

Was it fast shooting or slow shooting?

Its important; how he looked like

[main trellis]

They always are

[main trellis]

Only rampage; sometimes crate
HS after pickpocket nerf is 1 dimentional & its sad

[astral canyon]

Idk i feel like before nerf it was even more one dimensional

Just spam fire everywhere with 0 consequence

[main trellis]

Nah; despy builds were used

Now they are gone

[astral canyon]

Desperado builds are still good

[main trellis]

They are; just pure range builds are dead

[astral canyon]

Good

[main trellis]

Meanwhile already busted archetype got buffed

Make it make sense

[empty bough]

could you send me some builds willy if possible?

[main trellis]

I can show you tonight; way later tonight tho cause i go to a card shop after work; 8h from now i should be free

[empty bough]

still chasing after those pokemon cards? lol

[main trellis]

Yup; i also search for cards others seek

And provide

Lost count how many i managed to get

For like 1 girl

[empty bough]

lmao

[main trellis]

What can i say; when you collect EVERY DOG pokemon card you tend to have a wide range of cards to collect

And i even get her fox pokemons

Cause they’re cute

[empty bough]

idk about pokemon but I loved yu-gi-oh cards back then

[main trellis]

Second thing i got raised on but i had contact with pokemon cards first

[astral canyon]

What did you think of the POT OF GREED WHICH LETS ME DRAW TWO CARDS FROM MY DECK

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-pot-of-greed-gif-7612588033886205832

[main trellis]

Some ppl do be looking like a pot of greed fr fr

[empty bough]

https://tenor.com/view/bewdif-gif-11091157372354607300

[astral canyon]

This card is still insane to me

Fym there is a 0 cost draw two in your game

[main trellis]

Pokemon had the same card in base set btw

[astral canyon]

AND FYM THE META EVOLVED TO A POINT WHERE IT GOT POWER CREPT

[muted pivot]

it was firing like an infantry lasgun

first shot killed my toughness, second shot killed me

just about less than a second between shots

[main trellis]

Scab shooter then; those are the easiest out of all 3 shooters
Still dangerous

Stalkers are worse

And dreg shooters are the worst

[muted pivot]

It was entirely a mental error anyway, I thought I could just walk behind a box as cover and wouldn't need to dodge

didn't factor in how much more powerful havoc enemies are lol

[fast surge]

Yeah if the shooter stims too they essentially turn into a gunner

I've seen some insane barrages in havoc from just a couple normal ass shooters

[jovial heron]

I literally just explained that using it in those situations requires you to sacrifice just popping it on cooldown for the extra damage, DR, and cleave. It isn’t an option unless those events happen to coincide precisely with the timing of rampage ending or starting.

Not using one of the most insane damage ability stims on cooldown is not a great choice. Especially when Blackouts (or RPG) exist and other talents that you can spend the point on that ramp damage so the things die instead of sit on their butt for a handful of seconds (if they aren’t already stagger immune from some other teammate ability)

[main trellis]

Why not both? I don’t have an issue having both blitz bonus & forges; there ain’t a rampage build that did not had points for forges
Maybe you need to learn the hard way one day when that stagger would make you win but you don’t have it & will lose; usualy its the case

[main trellis]

Also; rampage does not always have to be active; if you feel like it has to otherwise you don’t do much then maybe some build choices need to be readjusted (or even the approach of the enemies)

[jovial heron]

Well you see we only get 30 talent points to build with so we can’t have every talent in the tree.

And yeah maybe I will learn the hard way I’ll and just have to pray to god and gambling that the ability happens to be off cooldown and not used just sitting there waiting and wasting potential damage and Dr. OR PRAY THAT THE ABILITY that can be massively extended will end EXACTLY when I need.

This is “purchases random Pokémon card packs” kind of gambling philosophy.

[jovial heron]

Also not using a big damage and DR boost all the time is just wild to me but I guess go for it. Treat it like a taunt and never use it. Thats your choice

[main trellis]

Its an initiator; helps greatly when you start the fight with ogryns & bosses & thus its good; it has no gamble to it da fuk

[jovial heron]

So you save it for use when bosses and ogryns show up?

What do you do if they show and youre already in the middle of it?

Do you see yet?

[main trellis]

I do use it liberally and i do not experience lack of impact due to forges in any way
Also taunt comparrison; absolute hyper
Taunt can even come back faster btw

[jovial heron]

Whooooooooaaaa no way that’s so cool for you

Absolutely hyper bruh

[main trellis]

Then you go to town duh!
As i said; its a great initiator - can i buy you some glasses cause you missed that part it seems

[jovial heron]

You can borrow them after I use them cause you seem to miss what I said! But hey someday you won’t need the Forges handicap

[main trellis]

Ikr; it all changes when you strategize instead of mash the buttons; this ain’t tekken when you are 4 years old

[astral canyon]

Whats this convo

[main trellis]

[main trellis]

I dunno; boi is seething for some reason

[jovial heron]

Papa Willy rage baiting and not reading

So another Friday

[astral canyon]

Thanks for the non answer

[main trellis]

Rage baiting? You really have no idea but thats ok

[unreal stirrup]

toxic yaoi

[jovial heron]

I was explaining the reasons I don’t take forges and papa was talking down as usual and saying “you’ll know when your older”

[astral canyon]

Forge is fun

I like it

[main trellis]

The only handicap is when you won’t be able to stop an enemy from hitting you and/or others due to lack of it
One day you’ll see i hope

[jovial heron]

Yeah it’s great but there are so many points

[main trellis]

Nah i’m into thinking men

[unreal stirrup]

on most build you can afford it and its great value for 1 point

but you can do without it just fine

forge isn't like mandatory

[vapid jungle]

Good ol condescending Papa

[astral canyon]

It did become a lot less valuable when they added street tough why the fuck does this fucking thing exist but i dont take that talent so i dont care

[unreal stirrup]

forge is on demand stagger though

you can't really control street tough but it still very good

who the fuck think it should have only 8s cd

[jovial heron]

Damn if only an instant stagger regenerating blitz existed

[unreal stirrup]

forge bypass stagger cd iirc + stagger monstrosity

[jovial heron]

What do you drop for it out of curiosity?

[main trellis]

I always seem to talk down to ppl who do not like criticism
Peculiar

[main trellis]

Its an extra

[main trellis]

Exacly! Its a forced stagger like VoC

[jovial heron]

Oh man still brooding on that? It’s okay buddy.

[unreal stirrup]

again forge isn't mandatory

[main trellis]

Neither is nimble & many other talents

[main trellis]

Build?

[unreal stirrup]

🤦‍♂️

[jovial heron]

Confirmed papa plays without any talents and no weapons cause they aren’t necessary

What a chad

[main trellis]

I always am to ppl who don’t like criticism yes
Its… a pattern surprisingly

[unreal stirrup]

back to basic in darktide real

[main trellis]

I just look & scream at them cause forges lets me do it

[jovial heron]

Forges isn’t mandatory like nimble and many other talents

[main trellis]

But ye; you typed what could be replaced; can you show me the build please?

[jovial heron]

https://tenor.com/view/ill-show-you-mine-if-you-show-me-yours-tell-me-secrets-lucifer-morningstar-gif-16825975

[main trellis]

Nvm i scrolled upwards a bunch; lemme see

[jovial heron]

Damn papa don’t even have a build

[main trellis]

I don’t want to use crit rampage shivs basically; just the same principle of not using dueling sword or mk3b club spam build

[jovial heron]

Pfff wrong weapon

Guess again?

[main trellis]

Might be; any melee will work tbh (altho no rending on heavies impacts alot certain ones like Hsword)

[jovial heron]

[floral galleon]

Did I see "forges handicap"? Tf handicap to the user or what-

[main trellis]

Curious that you use blessed stimm; its cause you want the stimm to come back quicker?

[jovial heron]

I can add a /s

[floral galleon]

I do need context to the wall of text

[jovial heron]

Just I don’t use forges this means I am shit at Darktide and actively throw

[main trellis]

You can easily replace channeled devastation for forges; i wish ChD provided more/worked differently

There you go

[main trellis]

Now you’re getting it!

JK; its not about that

[floral galleon]

The way he puts it is always a test of your real life damage reduction

[jovial heron]

https://tenor.com/view/tbbt-sarcasm-sheldon-cooper-gif-25590311

[floral galleon]

Do you let it crit or do you take it in stride

Da man gives some tough love

I know from experience

Giggity

[main trellis]

Its about seeing positives it gives on a class that does struggle with CC where forges gives you a nice window (or two) in a fight to get more room/initiate a fight/stack debuffs like skullcrusher

[main trellis]

Also ye; thats a mk1 dclaw

Light spam

So no rending required

[jovial heron]

I was never saying it was worthless I WAS saying that the way it works means it weighs less to me than say more damage

[main trellis]

Atleast that fits

[jovial heron]

Closer

[main trellis]

There you go; now you can be reasoned with and not 20 mins ago when you went full on
You really went with your emotions later on in the convo & thats never good
Unlike some ppl i do not let that happen (or atleast try)

[main trellis]

No way you use mk7 dclaw with no rending

[jovial heron]

https://tenor.com/view/goatplaybanjo-wtf-gif-15203659117181765068

[jovial heron]

You’re right I don’t use mk7 Dclaw

[main trellis]

Oh no… its taxe ain’t it

[jovial heron]

Damn just took 4 guesses?

https://tenor.com/view/funny-animals-gif-8683511

[main trellis]

Yeah; you still hold a grudge it seems
And i hoped you could be reasoned with

[jovial heron]

No grudge

You don’t like funny?

[floral galleon]

It seems papa was packing armor piercing today

[main trellis]

Of all ppl the condescending one is you now; the faster you see it the better

[vapid jungle]

Only to cover the insecurity clearly driving the ego

[jovial heron]

Oh man I am so condescending

Sorry I didn’t realize you were so sensitive papa

[floral galleon]

Brother you're taking this way too hard and seriously

[jovial heron]

I’ll be more careful in future

[main trellis]

This is honest tho; you’re still going

[floral galleon]

Tongue and cheek snide tone can't get to you that bad

[jovial heron]

? I posted a washed goat gif?

[main trellis]

You are not

[floral galleon]

Nah, this.

[jovial heron]

You mean…papas own words?

[floral galleon]

You're taking it way too hard is what I'm saying

[main trellis]

The responces too; you got hurt & wanna project now
You’re acting like this for the first time in like… forever (never seen you like that)

[jovial heron]

I am not hurt or projecting?

[spare tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[main trellis]

Your responces & the way you wanna interact with me paint a different picture
I am honest; been since the beginning

[jovial heron]

Sooooo where exactly do you get that from? Point it out to me?

I don’t want papa hurting

[flat mist]

I like how its not just me