hivescum-class

[timber basin]

mdoes hyper crit work on range on the new update?

[astral canyon]

Pretty sure not

[spice mural]

I don’t have it in front of me but I could have swore it says melee specifically. Idk

[main trellis]

Read the talent…

[muted pivot]

I mean, this IS Darktide where the descriptions are made up and the term definitions don't matter

isn't Rampage still listed as Damage when it actually gives Strength?

[astral canyon]

Rampage has always been listed as power (which is also strength)

[vapid jungle]

Think he meant the blessing

[astral canyon]

Oh right

[main trellis]

‚Strikes’
Bullets don’t do strikes

Duh

[jovial heron]

Language nerd

[main trellis]

Its called ‚deduction’

☝️ 🤓

[jovial heron]

Nah with these tooltips it’s guessing

[main trellis]

Sometimes yes

[jovial heron]

Hmmmm reduction or regeneration? Hmmmmm

[limber cradle]

Idk man I think trying to justify FS talent descriptions at all is disingenuous

[limber cradle]

Good keystone

[main trellis]

Nobody is justifying anything lmao

[limber cradle]

If you say so man

[vernal sluice]

Yes. It's all oblique as shit

[limber cradle]

Oblique and obtuse

[leaden pendant]

does chem fortified apply to team when using box?

or is it only stuff from stim lab + base

[livid raven]

only stim lab and base ability

Blessed stims and long lasting also don't apply

[main trellis]

Nope; blessed stimms works

Note that this talent's effect can also be spread by Stimm Supply in which case it procs additionally to Stimm Supply's base corruption removal effect.

An exerpt from kulis guide

[jovial heron]

Oh that’s nice

[leaden pendant]

ty

[mighty belfry]

Alright. Tried Perfect Strike and Headtaker in a rotten armor last night

Yeah. That's the play. Because you can afford to lose battering strikes because of the extra cleave.

Bladed Momentum while nice, doesn't let you build up HV as well off fleshy targets since they're not affected by the rending at all.

[jovial heron]

Is this that heavy sword build?

[mighty belfry]

I've been tinkering to see what fits best. When I realized Scum's crit chance was good enough to not need Chained Deathblow to get a lot out of Perfect Strike, I tried Bladed. Bladed is good but you mostly feel it on armor and you need extra cleave from the tree.

Headtaker is just the better option because strength is better than damage in this case particularly because of the cleave barring the need for Battering Strikes

I had people asking how I was killing crushers so quickly with it when I had to try and clutch last night 😭

[unreal stirrup]

new build? @mighty belfry

[mighty belfry]

Lemme edit.

[unreal stirrup]

I tried your old one and I don't fw it ngl

[jovial heron]

“Because hive scum”

[dusk dock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tV6K8WDnQo

[jovial heron]

“Behold this piece of rebar I sharpened”

[mighty belfry]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a15532e1-a2e0-4a4c-b892-f8bd9c7f3528/toxin-turtolsky think this is my final iteration tbh

Changed the mark too

[unreal stirrup]

crit chance?

[mighty belfry]

15% crit chance is big when every crit lets you ignore carapace hit mass. I'd rather that than the rending increase since it also feeds into sample collector a lot more.

Wait

I'm dumb

This isn't crate

Never mind that.

[vast pagoda]

any good stim supply builds?

[unreal stirrup]

also alley rat?

[mighty belfry]

Alley rat is lowkey pretty good on heavy sword. Let's you make distances you normally can't with nimble while not having your dodge distance be too much that it's an active detriment.

[unreal stirrup]

i find it is too much lol

[mighty belfry]

Let's me engage ranged units way more aggressively ime

I mean, by all means. It's a build I like but you don't have to use it node for node.

Nimble is perfectly valid too.

[jovial heron]

Sword is blank when I pull up the build with 76 in every stat

[mighty belfry]

Oh cool it didn't keep the stats

Thanks gameslantern

[unreal stirrup]

boss damage seem to be a problem

[mighty belfry]

Okay it's updated

Updated the stimm

[mighty belfry]

Could run needle pistol if that's a big concern or do unyielding instead of flak tbh

It does a lot of damage to flak already

[unreal stirrup]

yeah even with below 1 adm hsword already have high base damage

[jovial heron]

Any particular reason for 7 over say 9? I like the horizontal heavies

[unreal stirrup]

slow

ig

[mighty belfry]

The special heavy chain

[jovial heron]

But hivescum attack speed…

[unreal stirrup]

Ill try it once im done shiting

[jovial heron]

Okaaaaay

[unreal stirrup]

why vii over vi though

[mighty belfry]

Tried it out of curiosity just to see what works better. The swipe after special hits really hard and has a wide arc.

[unreal stirrup]

h1 on vii is kinda awkward for hitting weakspot ime

[mighty belfry]

I heightmaxx and tend to aim a little higher for the weakspot

It works fine for me

Also I just like the push attack better too

Really tho, you can use whatever you want for the mark

That's legit just a preference thing. All of them work fine.

Also easy to accelerate the heavy since the arc is so horizontal and predictable

[vapid jungle]

I prefer the special heavy chain of the 6 for sure

[dire badge]

hey lads, dumb fuck over here. wanna deal with carapace with devil claw sowrd since i looove meleeeeee. and aprrying. is it better ot have dfinese dmg or rend dmg on my sitm

[bronze glade]

@mighty belfry

This one is for you

[hollow stag]

what mod is the best to make the stimm replentishment more obvious

?

[neat delta]

Pretty sure there's a notification mod

[verbal dew]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/653

[hollow stag]

ty

[unreal stirrup]

@mighty belfry ok the build fuck

[jovial heron]

Thoughts?

[unreal stirrup]

it kinda awkward on mk6

mk7 work better

since special h1 is both your st and heavy

[mighty belfry]

Rend tbh

[vapid jungle]

Base carapace damage is too low for finesse over rending sadly. Even if you are using the H L L strikedown for mk7 its painful to kill crushers.

[unreal stirrup]

man i love the knife until i get caught lacking when pa spamming

[mighty belfry]

Oh wait, if you do run coated weaponry, there's an argument to be made in favor of crit chance tbh

[mighty belfry]

Highkey why I like mk3 more honestly

Even if I know mk6 is technically better under ideal circumstances

[bronze glade]

Mk3 enjoyers

[mighty belfry]

Yeah I think I managed to find the ideal setup for it with that one

All roads with Heavy Sword lead back to Headtaker I guess lmao

Just wasn't anticipating Perfect Strike being so consistent without Chained Deathblow but I'm pretty sure on average you're at like

Around 40-50% crit chance considering Chem Dep, Butterfly, and Crit stimms

Actually nah, more than that

The stimms come back really fast in practice so

[unreal stirrup]

these mfs cannot push burster at all i wanna kms

my 25 dd stack

[neat delta]

@mighty belfry could u drop a build for chaxe on scum

[unique spire]

I like Unknown User

Such a cool guy

[mighty belfry]

Need 2 make one on da website

But I'm workin

[neat delta]

quit ur job

[mighty belfry]

I like money.

[flat mist]

Nvm i read caxe

[neat delta]

it happens

still a good one

[mighty belfry]

[iron saddle]

Does anyone happen to have a fun tac axe build

[limber cradle]

I run the exact same build as I do for knives or shivs with axe tbh

Axe is iirc head taker and shred with cara and unyielding but there might be more optimal options

[bronze glade]

headtaker brumentum is pretty common

[marble seal]

I think brometum is better on Tac axe. For me it’s really easy to miss with fast attacking weapons and reset shred

[bronze glade]

i think either is fine, though i generally prefer brumentum

unless i'm using Mk IV

then it's shred

[restive mortar]

Wish we had Van Saar gear
Or anything from necromunda for that matter

[mighty belfry]

Street Tough

[flat mist]

Why wouldnt i take one of the best talents on the tree?

[mighty belfry]

lamest*

[flat mist]

Lets not make this a thing

Its hardly the first OP talent to exist

[mighty belfry]

It's been a thing.

It's a dumb talent.

It's not even it being ridiculously overpowered

It's straight up on the wrong class

[flat mist]

Then its even more ridiculous to play these games

[mighty belfry]

What games are you talking about?

[flat mist]

"Omg you're running street tough? Ew?" Type games

Eh whatever im just cold and grumpy today

MoodyOrc

[mighty belfry]

I mean, use it. I don't like it. I genuinely think it's actually disruptive for rampage scum and I would have rather seen something like that on uh

OGRYN

YOU KNOW

THE CLASS THAT MAKES SENSE TO KNOCK BACK DOGS FOR FREE

Idk it's not even it being op but I really just personally think it's a weird fit for a playstyle that wants you to be aggroed all the time like rampage

Crate and Desp Scum, makes more sense to me

[stray mulch]

i would say orgyn needs something similar

but they can just side dodge into crowds

feels like no one knows that doing that knocks enemies over

[mighty belfry]

Honestly ogryn can do without the knock back

On enemies

Just the dog knockback

That alone, would be a huge QoL for Ogryn

[stray mulch]

fair

[flat mist]

Why do you think its disruptive?

[mighty belfry]

Throws off my rhythm when everything around me gets knocked back even when I block

I know to block when I need to if there's a possibility I'm gonna take a hit, I'd rather that not stunt my flow at the same time.

It's actually gotten me downed before too lol

And for me, a Devil's Claw enjoyer, it's especially bad because for some, god forsaken reason

It still procs on parries.

Which just makes the very reason I'd want to take it pointless

I'd rather just take Forge's because I can actually control when I want a mass stagger like that.

[flat mist]

So reason 1 is you're not used to it yet

And reason 2 is it fucks with DC parry (which is actually reasonable)

[mighty belfry]

Oh no I was used to it.

I just don't like how it felt when I did get used to it.

If the cooldown was honestly much longer.

I'd vibe with it more.

It's not even a thing about it being too safe. That pretty much happening virtually anytime you're bound to take melee hits (not even damage) on a good day just feels offputting to me.

If I wanna make space, I want control of when I want to make that space. Street Tough is antithetical to that.

[tight hinge]

belly

[dusk dock]

that moment when extra grenades in maelstrom + improved ammo kit from vet

ogryn nuke in shambles

[thin seal]

does hive scum have shorter dodges/ ranged immunity during slides compared to zealot?

I find myself getting gunned down by reapers/gunners far easier on hive scum than on zealot

in havocs

idk if thats normal or if im just doing something wrong. Dont have much exp on scum yet

[verbal dew]

scum

zealot

zealot takes less toughness damage while dodging and sprinting, but both take reduced toughness damage while sliding

you also have second wind on zealot which is an instant toughness replenish

tho scum has tis but a scratch and burst of energy to kinda make up for it

[verbal dew]

I assume you're running the same amount of gunner resists on them?

[thin seal]

yea, the gunner resists on curios are the same

[verbal dew]

that's the only stuff I found from kuli's guides at least

[thin seal]

but basically, I havent played much hive scum at all, decided to start playing it again today. Put together a toxin build with needle pistol and stripped down. So dodging gunfire while sprinting is straight forward. but when reloading, i just try to spam dodges / hide behind cover

but ive noticed that i seem to get hit more than i expect

[verbal dew]

zealot can also get more TDR than scum I believe

[thin seal]

yea i think it might just be the damage reduction talents

good balance has 25% damage reduction after dodging, so thats probably a good chunk of it

[verbal dew]

rampage + hive city brawler does a lot

[thin seal]

yea ill probably try out a melee scum build too

i just wanted to see how toxin works because it seems op when ever i have a hive scum in my havoc parties in rotten armor runs lol

[verbal dew]

if you healthmaxx on scum, with minimum corruption dmg taken, you can prevent the instadeath from an overhead while rampage is active on h40

and if you're just playing normal game mode you just live the overhead

[thin seal]

oh interesting

btw do you know how much extra cleave you need on mk1 shivs to hit 2 pox walkers / 2 moebian 21st etc in havoc 30s-40?

or if its possible to hit 3 with battering strikes + rampage and other str/cleave buffs

[verbal dew]

afraid not, I don't shiv much on havoc

@mighty belfry might know

[mighty belfry]

oh funny that that's being asked cuz i was just playing shiv

that being said

honestly do not know off the top of my head

haven't checked since the cleave changes

that being said

i can respectfully say

that the shivs were properly nerfed!

https://i.gyazo.com/c607c193692414ad48bd3e6272ee1cca.jpg

yes fatshark, decrease the cleave but then make the tree easier to fit the cleave node in. masterfully done.

[lost ravine]

and also conjure up perilous toxbustion

[reef hearth]

I would also like to know how much cleave is sweet spot for mk1 shivs, so far got rampage talent and the one with stacking effect

[low harbor]

base cleave = 2 for all light atks
u would need a significant amount of cleave bonus to actually cleave through enemies that matter

[main holly]

Hive Scum talent 'Street Tough' can no longer be triggered by Specialist melee attacks, like the Pox Hound pounce.

from todays patch notes

[reef hearth]

So stacks giving 50% are making it 3 and while rampage is active 4? How does that work for different enemies?

[reef hearth]

Nooo .( Rip

[low harbor]

the lowest mass elites are 4 (dreg gunner, dreg shotgunner)

u need >4 to cleave through these 2 enemies

[main holly]

this is why we can not have nice things

and no the talent will just not be picked again xD

[low harbor]

no it's still mega op lol

[main holly]

why would i want enemies to get pushed away xD

[low harbor]

free rager/mauler stagger every 8s

[main holly]

i wanan smack em in the head xD

[low harbor]

it's so op

[main holly]

maybe on ranged scum but on melee, no

[low harbor]

it's op on every scum build lol

[reef hearth]

So i would need all 3 talents and hit horde first. So should i just drop cleave? And have only the rampage with other bonus? When cleave 4 is just for horde which i can probably dispatch by basic quick attacks.

[low harbor]

strength also improves cleave

with rampage active and the cleave talents u can reach >4 cleave on shiv mk1 light

[main holly]

agree to disagree.
on ranged scum they are usually dead before they reach me and on melee i wanna hit them in the face :3

[reef hearth]

In that case i can keep just rampage and the stacking 1 to get over 4, right?

[low harbor]

it's just free rager/mauler stagger from blocking, how does that prevent u from hitting enemies in melee lol

[main holly]

they get pushed away xD

[low harbor]

u'd need rampage + rampage cleave subnode + kill cleave talent

[main holly]

i do not wish them to get oushed away + the point is mroe usefull somewhere else

[low harbor]

it's like medium stagger

not heavy stagger

[mighty belfry]

still does push them away. i dont like it personally

[main holly]

only took it for the dog save xD

[reef hearth]

That's what i am talkin about .)

With his in mind, is the last talent with 50 cleave for hitting 3 targets even needed? Or how big difference it makes

[low harbor]

no, basically never relevant

[thin seal]

you would need to have a weapon with enough cleave to hit 3+ targets and then able to hit a breakpoint that lets you actually cleave more targets with the extra cleave

[reef hearth]

Got it

[flat mist]

Most weapons that can hit 3+ targets are basically guaranteed to hit another cleave breakpoint with the extra cleave, but your point stands that its shit

[low harbor]

the magic number to consistently hit 3+ enemies (against those that don't counter cleave by design) in a single atk is >10 cleave, which ur never getting with mk1 shivs

[flat mist]

Street tough still op

[reef hearth]

what is the change of adrenalin smiter, it counted just 1 kill per swing or something like that?

[flat mist]

It just didnt proc from some attacks from chain weapons

[reef hearth]

so with shivs it will work same like before?

[amber sapphire]

Fixed an issue where certain Curios could give less Stamina than what was displayed in the description. JESUS FUCKING FINALLY

[flat mist]

Yes

[reef hearth]

i will miss street tough tho... i always picked something similar in payday 3, that u get once in a while immunity to tazer or cloacker, lifesaving thing if friends are far

[astral canyon]

Street tough nerf

Thank fuck

No more dawg immunity

[flat mist]

Its not a move that should be celebrated

It doesnt actually impact the strength of the talent significantly. Its still OP.

[astral canyon]

Not having dog immunity is a pretty big hit but yeah its still op

[flat mist]

What it does do is placate the section of the playerbase that wanted to see this sort of effect on ogryn and therefore were upset it existed on scum

[reef hearth]

ogryn has it in form of dodge i thought

staggering enemies around

[flat mist]

I meant in terms of getting dogs off themselves

[reef hearth]

ahh ok .)

i would be fine with that, lets make the big target immune to dogs and nets... big slow target, make sense

[flat mist]

This is classic pandering to whingers, downvoters and bad review leavers. Its a gutless and ineffectual move from fatshark in terms of actual balancing.

But also who cares

[low harbor]

They did fix some good things

Hotfix hotfix

[verbal dew]

can arby get dog off with the forceful talent when stacks reach 0?

assuming no dog of your own

[low harbor]

Forgor

[verbal dew]

When reaching 10 stacks of Forceful or, alternatively, when reaching 0 stacks of Forceful, creates an explosion at Arbitrator's location that deals no damage but staggers surrounding enemies. The explosion has a radius of 2.5m and staggers all enemies except for Mutants, monstrosities, and Captains/Twins. Each explosion has a 5s internal cooldown that is tracked separately.

it's gonna take ages to get to 0 if you're not already at low stacks when pounced

[flat mist]

This doesnt tell you how long it takes to get to 0 stacks

[verbal dew]

well that's just base forceful that's every 5 seconds or when taking damage

[mighty belfry]

https://gyazo.com/392c821d986992cf4d789dec362fcc4d

WAIT

did they fix the bug after all this time???

[winged bay]

did they fix it by making it +3 or changed it to display as +2

[verbal dew]

I think I have one on one of my classes

[north saddle]

Anyone here know the most common cause for extreme rubberbanding?

[flat mist]

Poor internet connection?

[north saddle]

Hmmm. Maybe.

[fluid ether]

they changed how the lerp values are getting rounded before being passed on, now with two decimals

[alpine citrus]

another nerf

"Hive Scum talent ‘Street Tough’ can no longer be triggered by Specialist melee attacks, like the Pox Hound pounce."

[zenith fern]

Hive Scum talent ‘Street Tough’ can no longer be triggered by Specialist melee attacks, like the Pox Hound pounce

Well that's one thing lol

But still the talent has no business to exist still

[zenith fern]

https://tenor.com/view/a-gem-benjammins-chud-door-door-cam-gif-7224643390232569308

[zenith pagoda]

Fixed an issue where certain Curios could give less Stamina than what was displayed in the description.

No more melk scams?

[astral canyon]

Still busted

[zenith fern]

Only took them 3 years?

Stone me if true

[restive mortar]

Well they took off dog immunity

[astral canyon]

What about rock

[spare tartan]

Oh so THAT'S why i sometimes could just stand up after getting jumped by a dog

was fun

[rotund agate]

so adrenaline smiter and splash damage now proc from saw kills?

[astral canyon]

And crowbar secondary mode

Big buff to chaxe tbh

[rotund agate]

fr, I can FINALLY use adrenaline with it instead of being forced to run chem dep...

I guess I'll have to get used to not spamming stim as much as possible again, though...

[rancid yew]

.

[astral canyon]

.

[unreal stirrup]

lol street tough got nerfed

still gonna be strong but forge bellow is better now

[astral canyon]

Its still free rager/mauler stagger every 8s

[rotund agate]

I just had a vet call fatshark "complete useless idiots that don't know what they're doing" because he failed to properly dodge a mauler overhead and got downed as a result...

I then told him "make your own darktide then"

[astral canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-bean-dixon-dr-coffee-futurama-themepark-bender-gif-25160461

FUCK

EMBED FAIL

[spiral coyote]

did they buff hive scum even more?

[astral canyon]

Chaxe and crowbar builds with adrenaline smiter and/or splash damage are better

But we lost dog/mutant immunity

The buff didnt affect scum's best weapons and the nerf is pretty minor

[unreal stirrup]

I mean he can be dogshit at the game and still be right

this game is balanced by ai

[tranquil fjord]

is chaxe worth any crit at all

rampage just seems to do all of the work

[unreal stirrup]

no

[tranquil fjord]

not even for channeled devastation?

also is that fixed yet

[astral canyon]

You can easily get 30% crit to max out channeled without much investment

[unreal stirrup]

already fixed

[tranquil fjord]

ah

[astral canyon]

Also now that adrenaline smiter is fixed with latch attacks youre def better off taking adrenaline keystone than chem dep

[spice mural]

That’s unfortunate.

I loved actually having a counter to disables. I think it’s something the game needs even if I get why they don’t want it.

[astral canyon]

Thank fuck its gone

[spice mural]

Ah well. It was nice while it lasted.

[astral canyon]

The counter to dogs and mutants is situational awareness

[bronze crown]

https://tenor.com/view/the-mask-dodge-gif-22809594

[astral canyon]

Doesnt matter cause its still a busted talent anyways

[spice mural]

It doesn’t matter regardless since it’s gone. I will miss it though. Just have to adapt and move on.

[bronze crown]

What if the Ad Mech class has a talent to counter dogs or mutants like an emp on a cool down?

[astral canyon]

Please no

We do not need more disabler immunity in this game

[bronze crown]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-south-park-mole-christophe-de-mole-smoking-gif-1305936673710369653

I do not like attack dogs.

[astral canyon]

Just shove them mid air

Or dodge

[spice mural]

I’m all for counter play to disables besides never getting touched ever but I’d rather it require some level of skill and player input rather than a passive.

[astral canyon]

You dont need to be straight up immune to them to have counterplay

[spice mural]

And besides pushing dogs.

[astral canyon]

Shit like street tough wasnt counterplay, its just counter

[bronze crown]

Have the Expedition nodes been changed yet?

[spice mural]

That’s supposed to be today yeah according to the patch.

I’m not home so idk if it’s live yet.

[reef hearth]

is expedition worth the try? how does it work?

[spice mural]

You enter a map, you scan a zone, go to points of interest and do hacking minigames or jumping puzzles for a resource within a time limit, and go to a sanctuary to reset the points of interest and get a little extra time. Repeat 2-3 times and extract.

The mode actively discourages and punishes constant fighting, it’s more about speed and avoiding combat.

I love it personally. But I’m only doing it to complete the penances and then never touching it again.

It’s a bit deeper than my description but that’s the extremely reductive version.

Though if you’re like me and only care about penance completion, all of them can be done on malice difficulty besides one that requires damnation. Higher difficulties don’t give extra resources so if you’re a penance hunter? Spam malice for optimal progression.

[rotund agate]

btw, I wanna try bone saw again, but idr the right perks for it... (I do know that Shock&Awe + Wrath/Decimator/maybe Shred is the right combo for blessings though)

[unreal stirrup]

you don't need wrath if you have shock and awe

it's straight up better

[reef hearth]

rn i care about tons of plasteel and fun xD

[spice mural]

Then expeditions aren’t what you want.

[near relic]

If I went on reddit and posted a ragebait rant about Scum being nerfed into unplayability due to the Street Tough change, how many people do you think would take the bait?

[near relic]

Which is deeply disappointing. My guess is they didn't want lower difficulty players to feel punished with lower resource gain, thus pushing them to Auric to try to unlock nodes faster, but also didn't want the best players to get the penances in 2 days and never touch it again.

Joke's on them, the best players have already dropped it and gone back to Havoc. Expeditions are dead outside of Malice.

[near mauve]

Do it

Make it sound smart

[spice mural]

Probably a few.

[dusk dock]

Street tough pushing dogs of was balanced actually since arby gets that for free!

Queue 1 mil updoots

[spice mural]

The second penance for unlocking 18 nodes being literally impossible to complete in the first go around ensures some people like me have to go back.

And that 100k salvage spent penance is not something I’m looking forward to.

[near mauve]

Stop penance hunting it makes u a slave to the system

Rise up

[spice mural]

I have most of the penances in the game done already tbh. I have like 6730~ points.

[near relic]

"Fatshark regularly introduces strong talents to trick players into spending $15 on a new class, then pulls the rug by nerfing them once they hit their sales numbers. First Pickpocket, now Street Tough. It's a ridiculous and transparent bait and switch." Etc.

[warm cypress]

I saw a guy with that title on week two, was half tempted to message them and ask what bs they did and how can I do it too

[near relic]

Spam Malice with premade groups, probably

[tranquil fjord]

id have liked street tough with a longer cooldown but it could still knock dogs and atuff

[near mauve]

This would work so well lmao since so many people believe scum and arbites are p2w

[spice mural]

Also, I play the bounty hunter hive scum. Penance hunting for prizes is an excellent bit of diegetic roleplay.

[warm cypress]

But in only the second week? There's no way that dude got it unless he was actually spamming expeditions and not sleeping

[warm cypress]

Meant to reply with that

[spice mural]

The highest salvage I’ve seen in a match was over 300. More is possible. If he scoured the map and did at least 400 that’s 250 games barring minor variances.

[near relic]

My conspiracy theory is that Fatshark brought Rotten Armor and Blight Spreads back to Havoc the week of Scum's launch because Toxin has 90% carapace ADMs and Stimm Supply invalidates blight, so it was a quick and dirty way to sell scum.

[dire badge]

im trying to use devil claw but i cant parry if im attacking like lightspam or heavy chain

[near mauve]

Smart moves tbh

[dire badge]

any tips

[near relic]

+1 DM inspiration for use of the word "diagetic"

[near mauve]

Did they remove all anti stagger modifers when they dropped arbetuus?

#noooticing

[warm cypress]

One of these new expeditions removes the fucking auspex...

[near relic]

That's stupid.

[warm cypress]

Whelp... time to go to nexusmods and get that minimap I was putting off

[near relic]

Time to continue not playing Expeditions if they're going to remove the only way to navigate through the copy+pasted desert wasteland

[warm cypress]

I need my grid point penance 😭

[spice mural]

Same

[tranquil fjord]

id like it if splitting up to find more things didn't spawn 100 specials

[spice mural]

2/2 split is actually optimal.

[tranquil fjord]

1/1/1/1 though

[spice mural]

It works fine on malice if people know what they’re doing. Which admittedly isn’t usually the case. I run off alone all the time but I do expeditions as arbites so I have the dog as an extra safety net.

So long as I take out the occasional trapper I’m perfectly safe.

Again, I’m speaking as someone who only cares about efficiency and optimal penance farming so keep that in mind. XD

[tranquil fjord]

i heard that dog aura counts as someone in coherency for special spawning, and also it spawns more specials for the most separated amongst the team

so a lone arbites with dog aura will always get less specials than other players

[spice mural]

I’m not sure.

[tranquil fjord]

i only have heard it though

[spice mural]

It’s not even the specials that cause an issue. It’s the damn chaff enemies swinging at me when I’m trying to do the stupid hacking minigame.

[tranquil fjord]

2/2 is probably optimal

[warm cypress]

1 poxwalker, 3 seconds pass, 1 poxwalker, 3 second pass, repeat

[spice mural]

Yea. At least the symbol matching thing tracks your progress unlike the other hacking minigame.

[warm cypress]

If it didn't I'd probably crash out

[spice mural]

Agreed.

Also, penance farming is what rekindled my interest in the game. I’d been playing on and off since launch with a lot of breaks. Just play a match occasionally here and there.

Penance farming though? Totally changed my engagement with the systems. Every mission becomes its own minigame where I tried to optimize every penance I could in a single run.

[warm cypress]

Agreed and also made me lock in and learn that Ogryn wasn't as bad as I had thought.

[spice mural]

Like the night time missions in expeditions? It progressed mission completion, the lights out penance, all the expedition penances, etc.

I feasted during the Ogryn event where reapers, bulwarks, and crushers were spawning en masse as hive scum. Got the 3800~ Ogryn kills I needed in a week and a half of glorious boombringer spam.

[spice mural]

Completing the Ogryn class penances were the least fun for me because of how grindy they were.

And gone bowling and the kill 25 enemies with a single frag grenade 25 times took a lot of time for the scenarios to present themselves.

I eventually resorted to Mortis trials and some private games to engineer the situations myself.

You know the expedition penance that required grabbing tech remnants off a dead player 15 times? I did a private game with a buddy and had him die on purpose 15 times to get it. >_>

[warm cypress]

I ended up doing them all in auric maelstroms, it was really helpful for the 25 enemy frag grenede one with the blitz modifier

I think the one that caused me the most grief was 5000 kills with heavies while at max stacks of heavy hitter

[warm cypress]

Probably gonna steal that tech, ngl I'd scummed a few people's deaths that I TOTALLY coulda saved just so I could yoink their remnants

[spice mural]

The 7500 (I think) staggered enemy kills took me the longest.

[warm cypress]

Also the bullrush 4 ogryns is 100% bugged, I had to go through like 7+ for that shit to count

[spice mural]

I was getting to that point.

But I decided that private games and engineering the situation was the fastest method without needing to play counter to the team.

[warm cypress]

Should have done it that way myself, woulda saved some of the torture

[spice mural]

And for the steal back stolen tech remnants from disablers I just let mutants grab me or dogs pounce me since I was on arbites.

[warm cypress]

Think I got that one day1 from pushing into auric with randoms lol

People dropping their shit everywhere

[spice mural]

Then for the damnation specific one I just made a premade and we went sanctuary -> sanctuary -> extract and ignored the points.

[warm cypress]

Same, honestly felt so empty on the extraction too comparatively to normal

[spice mural]

If you want the auric mission completion penances or the auric exemplar you can also make a premade on auric expeditions and just go straight to extraction. Skip the hassle! XD

[warm cypress]

I'm a maelstrom spammer so thankfully that one will just happen with time, think I'm only 20 off by now

[spice mural]

Someone posted the new map on Reddit, it’s not enough to finish the penance for the pants.

[warm cypress]

Figured it'd only be another 8 yeah :/ weird choice

The new lightning circles kinda hurt ngl

So, do we know if the quickplay bonus counts toward tech-remnants? 🤔

[fast surge]

I'm 80% sure it doesnt

[spice mural]

Well it’s been exactly 4 weeks since beyond the hive was released so if they hold that pattern the next 8 should be May 12th

[warm cypress]

Time gated penance and 120+ hour penance

I love fatshark so much

[fast surge]

It's not like this is something new. Why do you expect anything better?

Like there is that one havoc penance which is 20 weekly rewards. Literally a penance that takes minimum 1/2 year

[worn portal]

so is street tough good? or splash damage

like, i didnt try it before

havnt played scum in awhile

[fast surge]

Was better, it's still ok

Free rager/mauler stagger once in a while

[astral canyon]

street tough is still busted

free stagger in a 3m radius every eight seconds

eight fucking seconds

what the fuck were they thinking

[calm aurora]

Paul special is also 8s

[unreal stirrup]

paul special is 10s

also it does shitload of aoe damage

outside of that the weapon is kinda mediocre

[calm aurora]

they changed it?

[unreal stirrup]

it was 12s

then changed to 10s

[calm aurora]

[near mauve]

I thought it's mid too but people have been rating it very high lately

[calm aurora]

The lights are fast

And the single target is nice and fast too

Plus aoe

[vapid jungle]

The heavys stagger lock ragers

[unreal stirrup]

the special come up often enough

the other move feel kinda bad to use

[astral canyon]

impactful+slam makes it have some of the best stagger in the game iirc

path posted some funny clips of it

[near mauve]

I just found it ASS against armor without special but apparently I wasn't doing the right attacks or whatever

[unreal stirrup]

yeah but like in havoc you do need the cleave

staggered enemy does decrease hitmass

but like there so many enemy on h40 that it's better to just run cleave over it

[unreal stirrup]

it is average

[vapid jungle]

The special and pushing initiate the ideal single target combo. Its kinda clunky but it works.

[unreal stirrup]

was way worse

[compact oyster]

also massive change splash damage now procs on latch attacks

this will fix so much headaches for me

[unreal stirrup]

cant relate

I don't use chain weapon because they're ass

outside evis

[compact oyster]

i use crowbar on scum

[near mauve]

Also I'm not sure if it's actually beneficial but I ran bigger explosion impact+ fire stacks when I used Paul

[unreal stirrup]

just run hh

firestack is ass when its like 1-2 lmao

[astral canyon]

adrenaline smiter too

[unreal stirrup]

just build it like normal melee

aka don't path through right

[near mauve]

But bigger bomba......

[unreal stirrup]

I personally use skullcrusher + the double explosion on armored enemy

[near mauve]

Yeah power surge

[vapid jungle]

The explosion radius node is very noticeable

Wish it was more accessible

[compact oyster]

scum should get the crusher

for the sole reason that it would be funny

[astral canyon]

scum should get crushed

[unreal stirrup]

it is the most broken shit ever

scum have so many strength buff its not even funny

[calm aurora]

What's the ideal pair of blessings? Sc and?

[unreal stirrup]

sc and surge

also power maul is one of the weapon that need another blessing slot

change my mind

[zenith pagoda]

Nah power surge needs to be like lethal prox for ogryn

[vapid jungle]

If you could have opportunist as well...so much dmg.

[compact oyster]

crusher is quite balanced tho

like perfectly

no class elevates it to be op

[unreal stirrup]

crusher on zealot is like 6/10 weapon

on arb its 8

scum have much faster stam recovery than both

[zenith pagoda]

My arby crusher build is so fun

[unreal stirrup]

• easy access to rending like arb

• dependency/adrenaline

aforementioned a lot of strength buff

finesse too

arb can bypass crusher mediocre crusher damage due to having concussive for skullcrusher

same for bosses

[calm aurora]

No need. Dclaw has more impact blessings.

[zenith pagoda]

Scum should get power sword

[fast surge]

Scum should obviously have force sword

[calm aurora]

Psyker should get shivs

[unreal stirrup]

knofe is just better

shiv is safer

[high kraken]

scum should get dual duelling swords

[mighty belfry]

Shivs are still extremely stupid lol

[orchid bane]

https://gyazo.com/61390e10c529abfd1c07929f1c67d05c

nerf, buff?

[astral canyon]

buff that didnt affect any of scum's best options and minor nerf to a talent that is still busted

[low harbor]

Fix to chain weapons
Nerf to a really op talent, but it’s still op

[astral canyon]

its also a fix to crowbar no?

at least the beak mode

[low harbor]

Yea but there’re maybe 6 people who play crowbar

It’s an axe/blade world for hive scum

[astral canyon]

yeah

[split fiber]

gonna try this with heavy sword

replaced battering strikes with hyper vio

[tranquil fjord]

no rending on rampage?

[split fiber]

oh yeah

idk i keep going for cleave talents

swapped to channelled aggression

might switch nimble for alley rat too

i'll wait on that one though

[mighty belfry]

Hypercrit with blackouts 😔

[split fiber]

i like blinders................

[astral canyon]

hypercrit procs dont count for blinder regen tho

[mighty belfry]

Ya. So take off hypercrit

[split fiber]

WAAAATTTTTT

[mighty belfry]

It's a very noticeable decrease in regen.

[split fiber]

ughhh that sucks

[mighty belfry]

It's annoying but it is what it is

I got a heavy sword build that works if you wanna try it.

[split fiber]

i'm just gonna bring the RPG

[split fiber]

ok, i'm gonna run this one a few times though

[limber cradle]

I'd rather have Hyper C and slower regen than faster regen and no Hyper C, personally

[mighty belfry]

I thought the same but honestly, the regen slows down very noticeably.

I've gotten too used to how they regen without hypercrit

I tried it last night and it was tripping me up because I could tell I wasn't getting my blackouts at a reliable pace like usual

[limber cradle]

I don't excessively throw them fwiw

Two nades is one, one is none.

[mighty belfry]

Me neither. But, there's times where I throw a bunch because a situation is about to snowball really badly and it's just nice to have the ability to know when you're gonna get em back.

I lose that with hypercrit

[limber cradle]

Don't you run HSword anyway?

[mighty belfry]

Ya.

You'd be surprised how many kills get eaten by hypercrit with it

[split fiber]

hsword is fun

[limber cradle]

Maybe

I didn't think of it as a HyperC weapon but I don't use it

[mighty belfry]

Hypercrit helps it

But it helps with the stuff, that I honestly don't need much help with.

[low harbor]

What heavy sword did u settle on in the end

Perfect strike + headtaker?

[mighty belfry]

Ya

Can't deny the results with headtaker

Less opportunity cost overall since it provides strength so I can afford to lose out on cleave talent.

And with Chem dep, you crit enough to see Perfect Strike getting a lot of use anyway.

It's nice not being constantly cucked by crushers.

I'm torn between MkVI and MkVII

[vapid jungle]

6 golf swing is swaggier

[mighty belfry]

That's what I'm feeling.

It's just a nice complement after special

[rotund agate]

but does bone saw DoT count for blinder regen?

[mighty belfry]

Nope.

Another L for Bonesaw

[low harbor]

Of course not

That would make bonesaw good

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-early-birthday-now-gimmee-gif-15731324811646516558

[astral canyon]

coated weaponry also doesn't

[rotund agate]

ok, time to swap back to SPLATTER PARTY BOOMBOX (aka, the RPG) on my stim supply bonesaw build.

[astral canyon]

the only DoT that counts is from direct hits with needler

[unreal stirrup]

needler sweep

[mighty belfry]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a15532e1-a2e0-4a4c-b892-f8bd9c7f3528/toxin-turtolsky if ur not comfy with heavy sword as your boss damage, feel free to switch bistol for needler or smth

cuz it's not the greatest at it until there's a horde around the boss ironically

[mighty belfry]

ye but coated doesn't eat kills as much

[rotund agate]

I honestly could see myself using Coated on a melee build that uses low-finesse melees because of Virulent Strain...

[mighty belfry]

Virulent Strain is extremely good

People really undervalue that talent

[rotund agate]

I think my chaxe build has been using splash damage and not coated, actually

[low harbor]

Virulent strain op

https://klipy.com/gifs/hanabi-hsr

[astral canyon]

path is a fumo confirmed

[compact oyster]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1140846909314052188/1170639027079217243/attachment-3.gif

sparkle isnt a fumo

[astral canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/reimu-touhou-project-question-mark-gif-24108610

[mighty belfry]

Crazy to me that Reginald's Chemist build doesn't have it lol

[astral canyon]

that is a fumo

[mighty belfry]

That is like, the ideal setup to have it on

[astral canyon]

trust me im an expert in fumos

[compact oyster]

i dont believe it was updated for the scum changes

[mighty belfry]

It 100% is

New tree and all.

[compact oyster]

I sea

[mighty belfry]

And yet someone, they don't take that

[flat mist]

I shat myself when i saw that

[low harbor]

U can just accept that people have weird talent choices sometimes often usually

[mighty belfry]

But they take A Tertium Welcome

On a fucking Bonesaw build

Like

[flat mist]

Thats what a weird choice it is

[mighty belfry]

Homie what are we doing here

[compact oyster]

Even reginald can make wrong choices

[low harbor]

More like
Very frequent

[mighty belfry]

Yeah Reginald has some

Interesting takes.

[compact oyster]

The great taxe war

100k dead

Yellow river flooded

[mighty belfry]

Their data collection is alright. I'll give them that but, their builds.

[compact oyster]

Qing dynasty revived

[low harbor]

Rookie numbers

[mighty belfry]

Ya...

[low harbor]

U could have named legit any other dynasty but them lol

[mighty belfry]

I think the deal with VS

Is that people don't realize that it's not additive

But multiplicative like Strength buffs are

[low harbor]

Chinese hate Qing so much it’s crazy (and justified)

[mighty belfry]

Which is a much bigger deal than some might realize

[compact oyster]

Unintended ragebait

[low harbor]

Damage taken buffs very gud

[vapid jungle]

Reginald doesnt take the lingering stim crate node wtf

[low harbor]

Are u a true emperess dowager cixi loyalist

[mighty belfry]

It's mini Skullcrusher but more consistent for the builds that do a lot of toxin

[compact oyster]

what.

[low harbor]

Cole also said he likes falchion
Which might explain why it’s still not good with the “buffs” they gave it

[low harbor]

Look her up she’s like 50% of the reason Qing dynasty is mega hated lol

[mighty belfry]

Reginald out here gaslighting Fatshark into thinking Falchion is good

This is so sad.

[vapid jungle]

Think he means Cole said Reginald likes the falchion

[low harbor]

Not Cole

[mighty belfry]

OH

Okay

[low harbor]

Idk if Cole even had a hand in that

[mighty belfry]

Misread

My message has been changed.

[low harbor]

Cuz Cole had a serious medical condition for a while

[mighty belfry]

OH RIGHT

that was when they were having head trauma

[woeful hill]

bro got tubed...

[low harbor]

And presumably wasn’t there for a lot of the playtest

I can only imagine the person making the falchion buff understanding a significant amount of the game

[mighty belfry]

Apologies for the misinformation. It will happen again.

[compact oyster]

a fella like me wouldve romanced the four beauties of china

https://klipy.com/gifs/rizz-rizz-face-2

[low harbor]

You do realize they all died horrible deaths right

[mighty belfry]

Yes a whole

3% extra damage!!!!

Groundbreaking

[compact oyster]

why is china's history so turbulent like holy

[low harbor]

Like I don’t think even a single one of the 4 beauties was from a peaceful era?

[limber cradle]

Ancient Chinese wars read like fantasy books sometimes

Fascinating history in that country

[low harbor]

Because history just is turbulent

It’s just that other places didn’t document them that well

[compact oyster]

yellow river floods

somehow causes a war

[mighty belfry]

China ain't the only country

Ancient times were just

Wild

[compact oyster]

today i will proclaim myself the brother of jesus christ after a fever

[mental igloo]

as opposed to all the normal times that happend after

[low harbor]

This part is uh
U kinda need to see the yellow river to understand why

[limber cradle]

The sheer numbers in China are bonkers tho

[compact oyster]

i sea

[low harbor]

Yea it’s been quite well documented for the last 2k years

[compact oyster]

(i dont understand)

[low harbor]

There’s this running joke in archeology in China

[mighty belfry]

Are you talking the one that someone actively caused?

Because that's a pretty damn good reason to be pissed off.

[low harbor]

They’re more afraid of digging up a relic that says “the ancient ones once proclaimed ……” than a tomb ravaged by pillagers

[low harbor]

No I mean u need to actually see the yellow river in person to understand

[compact oyster]

my chinese history knowledge comes from wo long

[vapid jungle]

Or had their culture destroyed

[compact oyster]

and even then i dont understand a single thing

[mighty belfry]

That didn't even happen that long ago either.

[limber cradle]

Why?

[compact oyster]

atleast the bakumatsu era is easy to follow

[limber cradle]

I'd love to visit China one day

[low harbor]

Yea blame colonists and imperialism

[limber cradle]

When tensions are Better

[vapid jungle]

I do!

[compact oyster]

https://klipy.com/gifs/chinese-old-man

[low harbor]

The earliest well-recorded history is like around 3k years back? But they’ve dug up stuff from like 6k past (older than 4k BCE)

[mighty belfry]

Thing is, China in itself regardless of international tensions is a weird place to be almost solely because of the government.

[limber cradle]

Ik

[mighty belfry]

It's sad honestly.

[limber cradle]

But it was allegedly cooler to visit as an American in the 80s/90s

[low harbor]

The correct view u should have on China is that it’s neither as bad nor as good as propaganda says

[limber cradle]

That's incredible honestly

[limber cradle]

I believe that

I also have heard if you're American nowadays you get followed around

[mighty belfry]

Like literally any other country.

There's good.

And there's bad.

[limber cradle]

My only firm thought on China is that it's a neat country with a lot of history

[low harbor]

I don’t know about that part since the massive surveillance net takes care of a lot of the petty crimes

[vapid jungle]

Im enjoying the tech war with different nations holding different critical resources/technologies for AI and energy

[low harbor]

But u might get looked at more curiously by locals just for not being Chinese

[vapid jungle]

Its like real life civ 6!

[mighty belfry]

Chinese history is some of the most interesting lore ever.

[vapid jungle]

Wait...

[limber cradle]

Agreed

[limber cradle]

Rare there?

[mighty belfry]

I absolutely loved learning more about China in history classes.

I also

[high kraken]

Do not pursue Lu Bu

[mighty belfry]

Think good Chinese food. Like, proper, not Americanized stuff

[low harbor]

It depends
In larger t1 cities like Beijing/Shanghai/Shenzhen with more expat activity it’ll be less
But the deeper u go into less developed areas the more it’ll prob occur
I mean just think logically

[mighty belfry]

Is unmatched

[low harbor]

I will also say

Regardless of ur opinion on xinjiang

Xinjiang food is peak

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396860171541807105/1232138126441582642/mfw_deadass.gif

[compact oyster]

is qonqing as advanced as they say

[low harbor]

Chinese halal food is special

[compact oyster]

i only saw it in hitman 3

[mighty belfry]

Crazy what you get with a mixture of cultures

[limber cradle]

Want to visit zhuhai and dongguan tbh

Maybe HK

[low harbor]

If ur into history a lot 100% visit Xi’an

It’s like the capital city of 13 diff dynasties

[limber cradle]

I'll put it on the list

[low harbor]

Also important city on ancient Silk Road

[limber cradle]

I imagine China is a country you visit multiple times if you like it

[low harbor]

Terracotta warriors are there

[limber cradle]

Big fuckin place

[low harbor]

Lots of ancient Chinese weaponry are there

Spears, swords, etc

[compact oyster]

i saw that vid of tourists jumping down to the teracotta army

[limber cradle]

Yeah, I'll defo mark it down

Thank you

[low harbor]

It’s too vast for anyone to visit in a lifetime

[limber cradle]

Me gonna go deliver mail now tho so I can maybe leave work before 8pm

(doubtful)

[low harbor]

Idk never been there
I’d imagine somewhere close

Since chongqing is also a special zone

[low harbor]

Xi’an also has peak noodles

[woeful hill]

special zone? if you dont mind me asking

[mighty belfry]

I remember like

[low harbor]

Like, separate political entity outside provinces or autonomous regions

[woeful hill]

I see

[low harbor]

Shanghai for example is not part of any province

[woeful hill]

like a city state in a country

[low harbor]

Kind of

[mighty belfry]

Over a decade ago when I dated someone who was Cantonese and I got invited to a Chinese dinner.

Never could I have imagined that smoking fried rice with mahogany wood would be so good

[low harbor]

It’s a special status to encourage development into a hub of sorts

[compact oyster]

i know that hong kong lost its independance

[mighty belfry]

That was the best god damn rice I have ever had in my life.

[low harbor]

Idk much about the riots so I don’t have an opinion on that

Idk what western propaganda says now but it’s been part of China since the 99yr lease expired

[mighty belfry]

West doesn't really say

Anything about it anymore

It blew up when the riots were happening

[low harbor]

If u wanna ragebait with Taiwan or what not u should at least have the basic knowledge of the country Taiwan is a part of (which I’m guessing most people don’t know very well)

[mighty belfry]

And then, nothing

[bronze glade]

Bro

[low harbor]

Wat

[bronze glade]

Now that’s rage baiting

[low harbor]

It’s part of RoC

What’s the ragebait

It’s literally in their law

[bronze glade]

Given how much of a sinophile you are

[low harbor]

What

[bronze glade]

I couldn’t trust what you were going to say next

[low harbor]

Dude its literally called RoC

lol

This is supposed to be common knowledge

I’ve been there

[bronze glade]

That doesn’t stop a lot of Chinese people from thinking it’s part of the PRC

[low harbor]

Yea but that’s not what I said?

[bronze glade]

Esp those who drink the Chinese koolaid

[bronze glade]

I know. I’m just saying generally

Not you

[low harbor]

People having opinion on TW should at least first know RoC

If u don’t know what RoC is ur opinion would be kinda null

[compact oyster]

why do i have the know the republic of china for the witcher?

https://tenor.com/view/wmster-white-monster-energy-drink-monster-energy-gif-16051569233120380956

[low harbor]

U should barrel urself off Gloriana catwalk immediately

[compact oyster]

now that is just mean and rude

now im going to post the square copypasta

[low harbor]

I wouldn’t even be mad if a Taiwanese person showed me a map of China that’s under RoC flag

That takes genuine courage and I respect that fully

[bronze glade]

Delusional but yeah that’s a form of courage ig

[low harbor]

Yea at least they would know what they’re talking about

But westerners coming in with opinions on TW with absolutely zero knowledge on the matter is just very tiresome and stupid

[bronze glade]

Fair

[low harbor]

Unrelated to this politics shit, Taiwan has great food

I been there so I know

Great street food

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-hmm-pepehmm-table-council-gif-16396395487368552941

[vapid jungle]

Great semiconductor industry too

[woeful hill]

I dont think I've heard of Taiwanese food

[bronze glade]

Yeah it’s insanely cheap too

[low harbor]

Try their beef noodles if u get the chance it’s actually great

[woeful hill]

Will look for it

[low harbor]

They also kinda pioneered the boba tea stuff

[bronze glade]

Honestly the amazing part of living in an extremely diverse area is the food selection

Diversity = better food

You can’t change my mind

[mighty belfry]

Lu rou fan is also amazing

Braised pork over rice

[low harbor]

Ye
Unfortunately capped by strait of hormuz atm but otherwise great

DPP gutted nuclear reactors and went LNG/solar/wind but their LNG is very dependent on Middle East just like SK & JP

[limber cradle]

And as we all know, noodles of various types unite the world

[low harbor]

There’s a noodle dish in Xi’an that’s just “a noodle”

[woeful hill]

lol

[low harbor]

As in, a singular long noodle, uncut

[limber cradle]

Hell yeah

[low harbor]

They also use more aromatic spices compared to more southern areas like Sichuan or Jiangxi

[limber cradle]

I thought uncut noodles were the default out of the US and Israel tho

[low harbor]

Xi’an also has a lot of muslims so u can pretty much always find a beef/chicken/lamb equivalent of a pork dish there

[limber cradle]

I eat almost whatever anyway tbh

[low harbor]

Being the historical endpoint of ancient Silk Road and what not

Lots of Arab influence on culture and cuisine

Also great vinegar near that part of China

[limber cradle]

Not huge on vinegar tbh

Like if it's in something it's in something

[low harbor]

The province next to Xi’an’s province produces like 90% of china’s vinegar

[low harbor]

It’s aromatic and goes well with the local spices

[limber cradle]

I always associate it with salt and vinegar chips

That taste overpoweringly like it

[low harbor]

Vinegar in China is usually more of a cooking ingredient or a dipping sauce base

And it’s usually to complement other more powerful flavors as a cooking ingredient

Ur not supposed to drink the thing or be able to distinctly taste vinegar above all else

[mighty belfry]

It's why you get that tanginess with spiced broths

[low harbor]

(There’s like 1 dish that’s distinctly vinegar flavor and most people in China hate it)

[mighty belfry]

That's the vinegar giving it some punch

[low harbor]

Yea it’s kinda what’s substituting westerners’ lemon squeeze in a lot of ways

[unreal stirrup]

damn soloplay finally updated

[mighty belfry]

Wouldn't have as much otherwise.

[limber cradle]

Maybe we have more in common than I thought

[rotund agate]

just finished up some below-h10 havoc gameplay, and my team had:

• a shriek + inferno psyker who did stuff very well (and was probably just going to a lower havoc level to help newer people).
• a wall-shield + voidstrike psyker who kept dying constantly (and in the first match even stood in front of gunners spamming zero-charge voidstrike RMBs once).
• a reconlas vet who was doing ok, up until the second (and final for me) match where they simply did not realize (or care) that green glowing goo = lots of purple damage until I asked them not to stand in it after they died.
• me, a stim box bonesaw scum.

[vapid jungle]

I read they got a molten cobalt reactor theoretically working

[low harbor]

their main focus is still SMRs from what I read

[vapid jungle]

Thorium not cobalt mb

[low harbor]

isn't thorium what mainland is doing

[vapid jungle]

China seems to invest in lots of different energy. That 3 gorges dam will go down in history as one of the greatest engineering feats.

[low harbor]

thorium molten salt reactor

[low harbor]

yamaputra will prob top it once it's built

[vapid jungle]

Is that a statue?

[low harbor]

there's another mega hydro project being built near border with India that would generate even more electricity
problem is, that region is quite earthquake heavy

[vapid jungle]

Bro 3 gorges took like 25 years to certify

That one will be running when im ded

[low harbor]

yea, but more recent CN megaprojects actually don't take that long to build

[glacial jay]

Damn, we China maxxing here

[iron saddle]

Does anyone know if toughness regen on curios impacts the cartel special barrage tree?

[verbal dew]

that's coherency regen only

[astral canyon]

toughness regen perk on curios is godawful

[verbal dew]

which barrage used to be until they fixed it to be actually somewhat useful

[iron saddle]

Gotcha ty

[low drum]

are combat knives as good as they feel for rampage

how do they measure up to shivs

[unreal stirrup]

trade safety for single target damage compare to mk1

is just better compare to mk3

[astral canyon]

what about horde?

[unreal stirrup]

imo knife light is a little worse but you can to llh to take advantage of hyperviolence proc on h1/h2

so its a little better in the end

[mighty belfry]

shiv scum stupid

combat knife scum

even stupider

[mighty belfry]

non-hammerblow users are grieving 😔

oh god, oh man, oh god oh man, i'm being noticed

[flat mist]

why is CB less safe?

[bronze crown]

For taking down Crushers and Monstrosities what wins Shives Mk 1 or Tactical Axe Mk VII?

[unreal stirrup]

block anything during pa spam and boom you're instantly dead

stamina stim help but not ideal

[dire badge]

Parry this you filthy casual! He could infact not parry it.

[flat mist]

right, i forget CB single target is "better" than shivs only if PA spam

[flat mist]

Is PA spam better than special l1?

[unreal stirrup]

you're not wasting your time doing a shitty punch after heavy stab

yes it is much better

get used to the rhythm when out of stamina

[flat mist]

isnt the combo special + l1 not heavy?

bc they do the same damage?

[unreal stirrup]

that on mk3

but like both of them use pa spam for single target anyway

mk6 also have better horde clear so mk3 is almost irrelevant

[zenith fern]

https://youtu.be/Pi2MJo-Q-1M?si=R143HwYdpiuQOt91 unc still got it

[flat mist]

l1 and and h1 after special both do same amount on mk6 ( in psykh right now)

i dont know the CBs at all so im sure you're right just learning/verifying what seems best

[low harbor]

Both are just push atk spam

Punch is only relevant on mk6 if you want to conserve stamina

Mk3 has a better no-stam-burn single target combo of H2 + L3 loop which is higher dps than punch + light on repeat

[flat mist]

the special followup has like 15% more damage

[low harbor]

Special follow up uses the same H smiter profile

But H2+L3 is better sustained dps than punch follow loop on Mk3

Maybe not if u macro, but that’s just cringe

[mighty belfry]

I think special follow up is good as an opener

[unreal stirrup]

I mean you can use h1 as opener

[mighty belfry]

Punch has decent stagger

[unreal stirrup]

It does ignore stagger res

[low harbor]

It also hits no major stagger breakpoint lol

[flat mist]

wdym? same as what?

[low harbor]

Combat blade has 5 attacks used, the punch follow-up overhead attacks uses H smiter (heavy strikedown) profile

Mk3’s uses it as normal
Mk6’s uses it at x80% strength level

[flat mist]

right, and PA is about 80% too?

[low harbor]

no, PA uses a different attack profile

don't ask me why an overhead-looking attack actually uses a sweeping atk template

[flat mist]

wait which one is the PA? lol

[thin seal]

the bottom red box

[low harbor]

red box, check the moveset image

[flat mist]

riiight, ok. it has a smaller finesse bonus.

thats where i was getting lost

[flat mist]

Thanks btw @low harbor

[low harbor]

all gud

[upbeat bane]

Should you take both hyper-critical and hyper-violence ? Or only one of them ? When playing a melee shiv scum build

[lost ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/both-is-good-both-road-to-el-dorado-gif-14998369

[compact oyster]

Hyper critical wont work with hyper violence since its an instakill that doesnt add overkill damage

[mighty belfry]

Taking both is fine if you know what you're getting out of it. Hyperviolence can feed into hypercrit but not the other way around.

[upbeat bane]

That's what I learned yes

[mighty belfry]

And it helps with rampage downtime.

[upbeat bane]

For H30+ mainly, but scum is already so stretched for talent points lol. I guess hyperviolence feeding into hypercrit can reach higher breakpoints

[upbeat bane]

Which one does?

[mighty belfry]

Hypercrit.

[upbeat bane]

How so?

[mighty belfry]

One of the main benefits of hypercritical is that assuming you're hitting a crit, it cuts a hit needed off to get a kill. It's good to circumvent not having as much raw damage.

[upbeat bane]

Hm but does hive scum have a talent which reduces cooldown based on kills? I don't understand

[rustic lava]

Probably helps keep your kill effectiveness up while rampage is on cooldown

[upbeat bane]

I guess

For melee I'm not convinced it's worth the point, unless there's some breakpoints it allows you to reach you otherwise can't

[rustic lava]

It does let you hit a lot more breakpoints

Scum also just generally thrives being a crit focused class

He's the glass cannon class after all

[upbeat bane]

Do you have a sort of meta melee shiv+needle build you can link?

[rustic lava]

Not me sadly as I am more of a ranged scum player

[lost ravine]

what if non-rampage hypercrit hyperviolence

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-break-glass-gif-13868939

[warm cypress]

Make hypercrit work on ogryns

[clear isle]

Alternatively, give ogryn hypercrit

[warm cypress]

Just do it 10 more times, 4head

[near mauve]

how about u dont grind it and just play the game

[clear isle]

A fate worse than death, playing expeditions unironically

[worn canopy]

How worse

https://tenor.com/view/gambit-destiny2-judge-finland-gif-23870451

[clear isle]

so malice sucks bcz honk sho mimimi simulator, auric sucks bcz its too much alone, and sucks when with a team due to the urge to run free like a dog that escaped its leash and pick up all the stuff/do nearby POIs

its like helldivers 2 but if it failed tragically

[worn canopy]

Im sending this to my friend

Hilarious describing

He hate random as he most tell me "fuck them, just stick with me"

Same case in other title co-op pve

[clear isle]

I'm honored, this will be hilarious

[worn canopy]

Me and him play toxic commando he despised some random ran off get incapacitated, pinned

Then random blame us for reason excuses

Mostly console player

[clear isle]

lmao I can understand going off alone but you can't blame others for that 😭

[worn canopy]

I also found post on facebook like console player want report toxic player for kicking them i think is helldiver 2

[clear isle]

Yeah helldivers 2 has the same problem payday 2 had with people kicking for even the smallest reason.
splitting up, non meta weapon, accidental friendly fire or even just not speaking the same language are just some of the reasons they kick

[worn canopy]

Yeah like me and him trying staying alive as im just small level one guy console vc said "wow even you died to this (literally l4d monkey tank)" and left the squad: they spectating us playing

[worn canopy]

Bro i remember I play pd3 some named chinese kick me when im in custody near end extraction

[clear isle]

yeah for payday games I always host my own lobbies

even darktide when I do havoc I just host my own lobby, never once did another party accept me

always just rejecting

[worn canopy]

I went talk in pd discord about some funny shit because when i join random lobby our team just sitting duck in closet basement security and i throw nade spam blast cause me down becauze holy fuck these cops surrounded

That one chinese named just sitting on topc shelves afking

One by one down from our team guy left bot there, and last one chinese guy rush to extraction and decide kick me, discord pd think im complaining but just sharing experience

I know usual people went complain about being kicked and people give cold turkey host your own

[clear isle]

I know the suffering, in payday 2 they used to kick me just before the mission ended because the host got angry

[worn canopy]

I told my friend havoc is full of shit shenanigans ai director throwing shit cow at you same as auric but more bs.

[clear isle]

unfortunately the problem is so deeply rooted in the community that the only way the player can do anything is host their own lobby or use LFG channels like the discord or community servers

[spare tartan]

those were horrible times

literally the only reason why i only hosted