hivescum-class

[low harbor]

idk wdym by double

[vapid jungle]

Sorry let me rephrase. A 1.0 finesse modifier deals double the damage. So any finesse value less than 1.0 takes it below a crit/weakspot at 1.0 but not less than its non crit/weakspot damage.

[spice mural]

Is this one of the real 3 stam curios? I can never tell.

I know that it’s not real at a certain ilevel

[mighty belfry]

I run Perfect Strike and Chained Deathblow tbh

[low harbor]

yes

I mean that bit is kinda obvious no?

[jovial heron]

410+ is real 400 is fake

[spice mural]

Sweet ty

[rotund agate]

oh wow. I suddenly found a way to make chem dep builds decent again for myself: installing a mod that displays a separate timer for the stim

[crimson moss]

doge.png with the frame perfect heroin- I mean stim injections

[north saddle]

I havent really figured chem builds out yet. I have optimized meta builds for guns and melee but chemist, no. Anyone have s chemist Meta build?

[crimson moss]

I feel like with chemist shouldn't you just focus on the bottom right?

with the ability regen ones-

[bronze glade]

Bottom right with bone saw for the extra suffering

[crimson moss]

tertium society if rejects could do a pullup

[reef spoke]

all rejects are lightweights

reaper gets hit by a barrel? barely moves a meter

player ogryn gets hit? He's hitting low orbit as we speak

[bronze glade]

Not enough rashuns for the big guys

[low harbor]

well players are only 2 mass

reaper is 12.5 mass

(very scientific)

[plucky nymph]

@woeful hill am mk 7 enjoyer now

its just a defensive stim too xD

[woeful hill]

Yeah I love it

[plucky nymph]

fastest solo cspawn i think i had was like 14s i had on melee psyker, this is whole 4s faster and i just sat half afk xD very balanced

[reef spoke]

Nurgle blessing makes you fat as fuck confirmed

[reef spoke]

you can kill it way faster with a ledge + book zealot UwU

[astral canyon]

it makes you fack

[stray mulch]

parry op!

[hallow socket]

I find Chemical Dependency with the toughness and crit modifiers to be the best keystones and I use it on everything. The (personal could be different for other people) trick I've found is to have mid strength chems so you generally have something ready for combat ability cooldown.

[bronze glade]

Generally speaking tox talents aren't great rn tho

So the pathing isn't ideal

[hallow socket]

Agreed

The pathing for those keystones suck.

[astral canyon]

I mean

Splash damage

[hallow socket]

It doesn't proc enough I find, do you find it working much?

[astral canyon]

You just melee elites

[hallow socket]

I liked the old pathing better, extra blitz etc.

[astral canyon]

Thats all you need for it to proc

[bronze glade]

Yeah that's just one talent though

[mighty belfry]

It's one talent that enables more damage output than some might realize honestly

Especially in elite dense hordes

[bronze glade]

I tested it and found it to be ok

Good to pick up if you're in the hood

But not worth pathing specifically for unsurprisingly

[mighty belfry]

I think it is if you run pocket blackouts honestly

It really helps get more value out of em

You just need to make sure you actually get melee kills to propagate the toxin even further

It just needs a particularly dedicated build to really get the most out of it

And that's fine imho

[bronze glade]

Yeah

I was worried it'd be op

[mighty belfry]

It's.

Surprisingly more balanced than I anticipated.

It's more that toxin itself is just really strong.

It enables my funny toxin heavy sword build so I like it.

[river burrow]

Looking through the saw build, what perks are best? I’m figuring flak and maniac?

And for stub revolvers, ranged crit chance and maniacs, maybe elites?

[astral canyon]

Revolver is flak and maniac

There are very few weapons that even consider +5% crit

[mighty belfry]

Flak unyielding

Saw needs no help for maniacs

[wanton reef]

Tall hive scum or short hive scum

[tranquil fjord]

tall player characters are generally the best for seeing over hordes of chaff

so

tall scum is best

but short is not bad

[tranquil fjord]

and rather seeing the more important things such as elites and specials instead

[cedar cairn]

Being short is a debuff
Fatshark hates short people

[tranquil fjord]

also, because of how many swings work

it also makes it easier to hit the weakspots of hordes of enemies

instead of cleaving through their torso

[main wagon]

Having a short character just means you’re playing challenge mode while the noobs play jøten

[rancid coral]

Question, does Blessed Stimms affect teammates if given through Stimm Supply?

[keen bridge]

I don't see why it would, the description says it's triggered by being under the effect of stims, not that stims provide corruption healing on kills. There's nothing really there to imply it would affect your teammates in any way

[unreal stirrup]

short is actually hard mode because you have harder time hitting weakspot and hit less of them at the same time

tall on every human class

short on ogryn

[flat mist]

No

[calm aurora]

Our Shavior hath come

[reef hearth]

Hi, got back to game after some time, leveling HS (rn lvl 15) and trying new (at least for me .)) campaign format. So far i was enjoying shivs and akimbo stubs. I am slowly going for something like this. Any tips from seniors of HS about synergies, must have things, etc? Ty .)

[keen bridge]

I've heard a lot of people build their stim for ability cooldown so they can just desperado constantly

[main wagon]

Id drop Coated Weaponry and Splash Damage outside of a dedicated chem build. The single stack of tox from a whole crit is kinda bad, and splash damage isn’t quite a toxic version of Soulblaze haha

Desperado build without the node that makes desperado last forever is also certainly a choice lol

[keen bridge]

Is coated weaponry very worthwhile for the bonesaw? I've been thinking about it but it sounds kinda mediocre since you already do 1 stack on swing....an extra 1 on crit and then just 1 extra from the talent. Seems like a waste of a point for like 1/3rd more tox occasionally

[main wagon]

Oh excuse me it just reduces CD. The extending is built in base

Oops

[main wagon]

To be completely honest I don’t even touch the entire bottom right side of the tree

I thought I’d path down there at release for the extra rockets but it’s just not worth it on my current setup

Even with the changes I just have everything I could want lol

[keen bridge]

I've been liking it but I take a stimm supply tox load out so well....it's kinda the way

I feel like I'm always shuffling talents around in the bottom right

[main wagon]

I recoil away from the right side

[reef hearth]

I took the toxin on crit for the other talent, which i thought could help with the chem cd talent

[main wagon]

Honestly if I wasn’t using the triple barrel I could drop a couple things

Ammo Jack is just for the third shell

I don’t need Quick and Deadly but while I’m point blank blasting, I kinda want it

[reef hearth]

Using the stim out of desperado?

[keen bridge]

Yea

[flat mist]

Scum does not crit "occasionally"

[keen bridge]

Even if you do have 100% crit you're only getting 50% more value out of it

[flat mist]

That's a lot.

[keen bridge]

Doing 3 stacks of chem instead of 2 stacks on a melee weapon that's going to kill that enemy in 2 swings is not a lot lmfao

It doesn't change any breakpoints

Doesn't even make it better for hordes because it's still 1-2 swings to kill basic enemies

[flat mist]

Lmao might aswell just do zero stacks then

[keen bridge]

Bonesaw in a nutshell

Would vastly prefer if they made a mark for it that has less direct damage but applies more toxin stacks

I still use it but the toxin feels useless for me because any time I would want a large amount of stacks I just swap to my needle pistol because the saw takes so long

[flat mist]

Dont use needle pistol then

[keen bridge]

I'd rather not have to hit enemies 24/7 to upkeep stacks, the needle pistol is infinitely better

You just fire 4 rounds at a boss and you're good for the next 5 seconds

Or just fire 3 at any carapace....or one at any elite and they're solved

[flat mist]

3 shots doesnt kill a crusher

1 shot doesnt kill a mauler, reaper or bulwark

[main trellis]

Its true; not worth going there if no crit melee

[wanton reef]

Is there a assault chainaxe hive scum build that utilizes the toxin side

[main trellis]

Ye like jittery & slide talent; you don’t need those

Get butterfly

[main wagon]

Are you just lurking from channel to channel looking at my backlog?

Butterfly this, reject

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-season-7-whelk-attack-patrick-blowing-raspberries-gif-12634025882644881737

[main trellis]

No; you just seemed to be here

You are not that special

No offence

[main wagon]

You pinged me three times, it seemed special

Five actually

[main trellis]

Cause the stuff required a responce

Also; get street tough; its busted & will help you in any build

[main wagon]

I am arrived

Nah don't need crutches

I survive just fine

[main trellis]

Don’t use despy then
Or pickpocket

Or dodge linger keystone

[main wagon]

Double barrel doesn't even need desperado, and no pickpocket on scum is like no concussive on arbites

At that point you're just gimping yourself for no reason

[main trellis]

Pickpocket is not always mandatory

[main trellis]

Nah; its called micromanagement

[main wagon]

It is when you want to be stupid with your gun outside of expeditions

[main trellis]

Never had issues

[main wagon]

Not every single match is a hyper optimized macro sweat fest

There is this crazy concept called

Having fun

I dont even hit the pickpocket proc most of the time because my shit doesnt get that low

[keen bridge]

3 shots does kill a crusher and 1 crit/weakspot would oneshot a mauler with the talent that makes tox infected enemies take more damage, but I don't have that talent. And by elites I was obviously referring to the smaller ones dude, if a crusher takes 3 shots no shit a reaper/Bulwark takes the same

[main wagon]

It really doesnt mean that much to me to swap it out for something else

Nothing I could take would put me over some crazy breakpoint

It's trading one QoL for another

[main trellis]

Macro sweat wdym
Micromanaging is a strat and it ain’t sweaty in the slightest; its a good practice that benefits all

[unreal stirrup]

anything than light spam is sweating

[main wagon]

Now stop build policing, you strange little wiener

[unreal stirrup]

😔

[keen bridge]

People have different comfort zones and for some people that is indeed sweaty

[flat mist]

Oh we're not talking about havoc?

[main wagon]

Needle build in H40 with no pickpocket lmao okay

Just macro better silly

[main trellis]

Someone has to fix stuff such as these; be it pure build crafting and/or habit/behavior change

[keen bridge]

No because it's a game mode that a fraction of the games playerbase plays 😭

[main trellis]

I don’t even use needler there

[main wagon]

"Instead of having fun and enjoying the time with the class you spent money playing, you should just take the game more seriously all the time"

https://tenor.com/view/adenecon-gif-17701479084652429535

[unreal stirrup]

optimizing is fun

[main trellis]

Ikr? Bois be saying ‚sweaty’ on everything that comes againts their dogma

[unreal stirrup]

😔

[main wagon]

Sure, and I've optimized my setup to the point where I'm constantly outperforming the vast majority of people who arent giving a shit

Ergo, I dont have to sweat

I just play

[main trellis]

Me? Seriously? You really do not know me then

[keen bridge]

The old as time discordian issue of not realizing people exist outside themselves with different values 😭

[flat mist]

Literally everything is good in auric so who even cares about build crafting there

[keen bridge]

Nope, not for me and not for the people I play with. Most people do not breeze through auric, and do worse with worse builds

Why is this place always so insufferable dude

[main wagon]

You were getting your shit in a twist crying about better positioning because folks were posting joke videos of ramping off ledges

[flat mist]

Its not

[main wagon]

No matter how kekw's you post it's still weird

[keen bridge]

Every time I say anything here someone has to argue and go "erm achually that's not the most meta choice you could have done!"

[main trellis]

Inb4 ppl take bad habits & poor builds to havoc and pay the price (and let others pay too)

[flat mist]

erm achually that's not the most meta choice you could have done!

[keen bridge]

I don't even think anyone here enjoys the game they just want to complain and argue

[main trellis]

Of all ppl
That was you silly

[main wagon]

That tends to be the case with most game "forums"

The people who go online the talk about it usually aren't the most sane, for better or worse

[main trellis]

To you
To me its hilarious

[main wagon]

What does this even mean?

[main trellis]

That makes both of us

[keen bridge]

The subreddit for darktide is fine though tbh it's just here especially

[main trellis]

Read with your special eyes mah boi; its very simple

[flat mist]

Lmao the darktide sub is full of spoids

[main wagon]

IMO the subreddit and the steam discussions are horrific most of the time, but I don't really check out much of either myself. Just screenies people post

Steam discussions moreso

[main trellis]

Just like me

[main wagon]

I don't see a lot of Fatshark forum posts anymore but they're good for some shit takes if you check the first few comments on any update

[keen bridge]

I haven't seen anything bad at all on the reddit ngl, everyone is usually helpful

[main wagon]

Are you still going?

[flat mist]

Usually helpful at giving bad advice

[main trellis]

Its experience mostly not the builds - builds ease/enable more so; experience is the key
And many ppl are very average in this game (v2 had better players)

[main wagon]

The posts that it pushes me are always the doomery ones

[keen bridge]

Who cares it's a video game, not everyone is optimizing their flickergoon technique so they can achieve 2% more dps. Some people just give advice that makes the game enjoyable for themselves

[main wagon]

Folks being like "cant believe Im saying this but Im quitting" and everyones just like "lol bye"

[main trellis]

Never stop
Never cease

[keen bridge]

The cash shop ones are so funny, mfs acting like it's the end of modern gaming as we know it

[unreal stirrup]

they still act like duelling sword is the most broken thing ever

[flat mist]

This is not a video game

[unreal stirrup]

💀

[main trellis]

Spoids?

[flat mist]

This is real life fam

[main trellis]

[flat mist]

Idk i made it up

[main wagon]

My buddy going for full blockmaxxing Arbites, learning to perfect block

[main trellis]

Sounds like mutated spuds from a potato

[flat mist]

I dont wanna get banned like i did on the subreddit

[main wagon]

Im so happy for him, he's rediscovered the fun he had when he first made his Helbore vet

[keen bridge]

That's so funny to me it's like driving a tank but then putting air thrusters so you can dodge bullets 😭

[main trellis]

Wish more ppl would use helly

[main wagon]

"muh FOMO is back, curse you sweden!"

[unreal stirrup]

don't tell him that helbore is actually meta

[stark falcon]

does anyone have a meta rampage build, im still learning so tryna meta cuck until i get more experience, been keyword searching for few hrs but lot of stuff is outdated

tyty

[main wagon]

he generally tries to steer away from metas because he likes crafting his own working setup through trial and error

He's a real demographic gamer for Darktide

He's also German so

[unreal stirrup]

what being german have anything to do with this

[main wagon]

Hyper optimization

[main wagon]

It's in their blood

[main trellis]

Its a team based one however; there are others in your team that depend on you
And if you fail cause ‚fun’ then you make others suffer

[keen bridge]

Make premade lobbies if you have premade expectations of the people you play with

[stark falcon]

thanks! adrenaline frenzy vs chem dep just based on my weapon choice or?

[main trellis]

meta
nobody is using it in any difficulty

[keen bridge]

The only person you can control is yourself, forcing your expectations on others is legit just bashing yourself with a rock and then crying that you got hurt

[main wagon]

When I still had scoreboard, I got all golds in a zealot mael where I had 0/30 talents selected after a reset while using the fucking Eviscerator

[flat mist]

You can pick either it really doesnt matter

[main wagon]

Your skill is much more important than your build

[flat mist]

But ChD for finesse weapons is better

[main trellis]

Kinda does tbh but its not as simple as ‚pick one’

[main wagon]

You can give a completely new player the most "meta" build and if they don't have gamesense, they're going to eat shit to the first carapace squad

[flat mist]

Eh, i just mean for getting a new plater off the ground its not gonna make or break anything

[stark falcon]

is there a consensus on best melee wep? i saw path saying combat axe, but seems taxe is popular, and i see ainz with devil sword, then lot of shivs too in general

[main trellis]

Seen that too many times for comfort

[verbal dew]

they're all good

find the one you like

[main wagon]

DONT YOU 💯 ME AFTER WE HAD A SLAP FIGHT OVER BUILD OPTMIZATION

[verbal dew]

instead of what's "best"

[main wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-screaming-cat-scream-meme-red-eyes-gif-26345204

jk

[main trellis]

I guess; its more of an optimization choice & synergies

[flat mist]

Its shivs dont listen to the meth addicts

[stark falcon]

fkkkk i have no diamantine i was hoping to just meta slave 1-2 builds per class until i got more familiar with the game

[unreal stirrup]

caxe is better wdym

[stark falcon]

but seems everything is pretty balanced and ppl got different prefs

[verbal dew]

just stick with shivs if you want to

mk1 gets you far

[unreal stirrup]

worse damage against cara but that it

[flat mist]

Propaganda

[main trellis]

Just cause i slapped you a couple of times don’t mean i can’t agree on other takes
i don’t dislike a person; i dislike a responce
Smth like that

[unreal stirrup]

how

[flat mist]

Deez nuts

[stark falcon]

tyty 😄

[main trellis]

GOTTEM

[stark falcon]

tyty 😄

[flat mist]

https://tenor.com/view/finger-guns-michael-scott-steve-carell-the-office-pew-gif-14552925

[main wagon]

It was more because the sentiment of "your skill matters more than your build" fits perfectly into the previous discussion of "I use these talents because they work for me"

So agreeing with the former just made me go reeEEE

[flat mist]

Nah bs

[main wagon]

u right

Im gonna barrel myself now

[flat mist]

Skill mattering more than build doesnt mean your build isnt objectively wrong

[flat mist]

Dont do it bro

Let me barrel you instead

[main wagon]

Nah I popped a burster on the ogryn, I deserve this fate

Let me reclaim my honor

Im running out of fingers

[main trellis]

Suicide is never an option
… unless you’re a rusher/single player mindset/pickpocket needler scum boi then go ahead; i’ll help even

[main wagon]

Im like the fucking chain itself

[flat mist]

If you help someone commit suicide is that just killing them?

[main wagon]

I'll have a rusher and a dragger in my game and Im just trying to keep them alive

[main trellis]

And i am the rock; together we’ll sink

[main wagon]

When I first played at launch my two main buddies were like that

[main trellis]

No; its being a good samaritanian cause you help a boi in need

[main wagon]

The psyker ran ahead and died to the first mauler squad because he didnt know how to melee and scriers wasnt a thing yet

[main trellis]

[main wagon]

The veteran lagged behind searching every square inch of the map for ammo

Me and the random were somewhere in between just trying to survive launch Heresy/Damn

This would repeat EVERY match until they eventually quit the game because respectfully, the grind was kinda horseshit

[flat mist]

Ok thanks i was just asking for a friend

Youve made this a lot easier

This is what grandma wouldve wanted

[stark falcon]

i forgot to ask about curios and stimm setup

3x toughness or 1x stam?
is 1 stimm node just for h40 corruption cleansing?

[unreal stirrup]

1 health + 1 tough + stam is what i run

toughness have diminishing return

[flat mist]

1 stam gud

And ew no run a proper stimm

Kalma V if no ChD

Rending or finesse tree if ChD

Attack speed optional

[stark falcon]

is there a stimm guidelines thing anywhere, or like a general CD number ppl try to target, or just arbitrary

i assume sample collector giving a lot of cdr?

[flat mist]

Just build dependant. Rampage wants lower cooldown so kalma V go brrrrr

Strength tree always good. Attack speed tree also good but maxing it out is a waste. 2-3 points is the sweet spot for anyone who can do maths.

[stark falcon]

🙏 🙏

[main trellis]

Nah max att spt tree is good; stun immunity is goat, reload & less recoil is perfect for despy builds & dodge bonuses are nice if you don’t want neither

[unreal stirrup]

attack speed is damage + safety but strength can be better if you can hit breakpoint

[main trellis]

Why not both

[unreal stirrup]

75s stim

[main trellis]

Not an issue

Never was

[unreal stirrup]

kind of an issue when you ideally want to pop stim when ult on cd but you need a boost

treating them like a second ult

[flat mist]

The stun immunity doesnt work

[unreal stirrup]

unless you're crate

[main trellis]

Even on crate i use 75s stimm & its good

[main trellis]

Does it not really? I doubt

[flat mist]

Kuli no lie

[unreal stirrup]

I'm talking about how crate is the only situation where you run 75s

[main trellis]

When was it updated?

[main trellis]

Nah bro; not the only situation

[flat mist]

Its been like that for ages

And yeah only the recoil/reload final node is worth it

Rest are poo

Save yourself 18-24s on your cd and only invest 2-3 points in that tree

[main trellis]

Never noticed; i will test it once i return

[main trellis]

Att spd = dmg; even if the stuns don’t work its still minor att spd bonus

But ye sounds icky

[unreal stirrup]

4% attack speed is like nothing

until they fixed it it pretty worthless

[main trellis]

And yet ppl put stamina on weapons even to add that 4% att spd due to Swift Endurance

Pepega

[unreal stirrup]

it's 6, scum only need 1 hp curios so you can run 2

and it doesn't increase your stim cd

1 health 1 stam 1 toughness is fine

also swift endurance count every stamina regardless of curios or not so you're getting at least 10% base

[flat mist]

You get more attack speed from a shorter cd

[main trellis]

Technically yes

[flat mist]

Technically right best right

I win

Gg

[astral canyon]

Grenadier gauntlet

[flat mist]

Actually i was referring to a Goose Gathering

[main trellis]

But then you lose toughness

I rather live

[flat mist]

Honk

[unreal stirrup]

.

again doesn't increase your stim cd

[main trellis]

Again; less toughness

[unreal stirrup]

you lose 5 stim point for 4% attack speed and 10s cd

it is dogshit compare to the other one

[main trellis]

Not aware; care to tell?

[main trellis]

Sacrificing toughness is still pepega move

[unreal stirrup]

because health is necessary in havoc to not get instantly fucking deleted by a single burster in havoc

💀

because toughness is reduced by flat rate

💀

[flat mist]

A Goose Gathering happens every fortnight on a monday when my family get together for dinner

[unreal stirrup]

because toughness have diminishing return

[flat mist]

Bunch of fkn gooses

[unreal stirrup]

💀

[main trellis]

I use 2 toughness & 1 hp boi
No need for stamina

[dire badge]

y'all use spidey sense mod?

[main trellis]

Still the best

[main trellis]

Nah

[unreal stirrup]

also swift endurance path to pickpocket so

[dire badge]

howcome?

[unreal stirrup]

yeah

spidey sense is literally cheating

[main trellis]

Hp too in havoc you know

[dire badge]

I can't hear mutants and nets sometimes which is why I thought it would be good

[main trellis]

Unless deaf… then its ok

[unreal stirrup]

but well i kinda wish i have it sometime

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1490807537971236864/3C3F6E1.MP4?ex=69d60ef6&is=69d4bd76&hm=50d6f10583be500adfdf60374c48d631d60052514382f68679c61f49449c2855&

[unreal stirrup]

base hp is reduced by percentage

not flat number

[main trellis]

Still reduced; and bigger number = bigger % shaveoff

[flat mist]

Bet you didnt cy that coming

[unreal stirrup]

it was a duo run and getting kirked is the start of the end lmao

the vet tried to clutch twice

[main trellis]

Classic melee psyker moment; makes others clutch

Lol melee psyker

[unreal stirrup]

ok sure

come back to me when you have 45+% 25 stack dd uptime

[main trellis]

Like that matters when you die like that

[flat mist]

Rookie numbers. My DDs are perky so they up 100% of the time

[main trellis]

Ikr? 100% or bust! Uptime go brrr

[flat mist]

https://tenor.com/view/katy-justblaze-california-gurls-whipped-cream-gif-4796535

[unique spire]

What the fuck

[main trellis]

Milk-shake

Get it

[unique spire]

This seems like a Cyberpunk 2077 ad

[main trellis]

[flat mist]

This is what i imagine zealot chat is like 100% of the time

[unique spire]

It is

It's also full of teenagers

[hearty island]

So wait

I heard Scum can achieve psyker levels of cleave.

Is this true?

[astral canyon]

I mean

If youre talking about stuff like purgatus/voidblast having infinite cleave

No

But scum does have a fuckton of cleave and strength bonuses

[hearty island]

Scum is the one class I dont know much about

[astral canyon]

Is busted

[hearty island]

I know before Scum, Psyker has been considered the strongest class in the game. I dont know where Scum ranks

[astral canyon]

Scum is prob right below psyker

Psyker is still psyker

[hearty island]

Arbites is my favorite, but I'd place it below Psyker and Vet in terms of overall strength.

What does a Scum provide to the team outside of raw damage output?

[astral canyon]

They kill shit

[dapper coral]

Death is the ultimate form of crowdcontrol.

[hearty island]

Ye, its crazy Psyker is great at killing shit and has excellent utility outside of that

[astral canyon]

They also have surprisingly strong stagger for what is supposed to be a "glass cannon"

Blinders, bellow, fucking street tough (who the fuck thought this talent was a reasonable idea)

Rockets are also a way to instantly solve armor blobs

[main trellis]

And then you get pinned & die cause can’t kill fast enough

[hearty island]

Is Scum far ahead of Vet in terms of offense? Vet nades are 🤌 ... and plasma guns is 🤌

[main trellis]

Before you become a pancake

[astral canyon]

Yes

[main trellis]

[hearty island]

Oh wow

[astral canyon]

Vet nades are only really strong because of how many you can shit out

[main trellis]

Plasma is overrated

Lots of problems that ppl refuse to see

[hearty island]

Infinite cleave is infinite

[main trellis]

Not anymore

[hearty island]

Wait.... wut???

[main trellis]

Read patch notes

[astral canyon]

If it wasnt for demolition stockpile and team giving you almost infinite grenades they would be mid af

[hearty island]

Agree, but they do get a shitload

[astral canyon]

Meanwhile 2/3 of scum nades have 0 regen and are still incredibly strong without it

[coral mirage]

I still think plasma should have damaged health like it used to

It added something cool to the weapon

[hearty island]

Which is why I'm surprised youre saying Scum has superior offense to Vet

[astral canyon]

Like what?

[main trellis]

It would kill the weapon

[coral mirage]

I can like something bad ok

[astral canyon]

Yeah rocket and chem bombs are that insane

And pocket toxin blinders are basically zealot knives with an aoe DoT

[hearty island]

I have a high opinion of vet because awesome offense due to nades... then amazing utility with voice of command

[main trellis]

Long reload spd that will be bad when under pressure, poor ammo economy, not good vs prolonged encounters cause you shoot 8 times and then you have to vent & it slows your clear potential (and emperor forbid you miss), poor vs shooters especially when scattered

[hearty island]

Its hard for me to put any class above Vet due to the strength of voice of command and nade spam

[coral mirage]

Smoke nades will rise one day..

[hearty island]

Psyker is def easily above vet tho

[astral canyon]

Reload speed can be mitigated with cancels

[main trellis]

So far they raise the difficulty by making you not see shit (i don’t care tho)

[coral mirage]

Smoke mains rise up

[main trellis]

Yes but under pressure it might not be that easy

Thats why i said ‚when under pressure’

[coral mirage]

A sufficiently skilled vet could handle that pressure more often than not no?

[astral canyon]

Its still a really powerful gun even with those downsides

[hearty island]

Not including scum...

Id say:

SSS tier - Psyker
SS - No one
S - Vet
A - Arbites, Ogryn
B - Zealot
C or lower - None of the classes are bad

[dire badge]

do cleave talents matter on shivs

[main trellis]

Undeniably; just overrated & overhyped as usual with other ‚meta’ weapons
Ppl refuse to see downsides that will pop up

[coral mirage]

I feel like chorus just can’t let zealot be b tier

Surely A behind Ogryn?

If it must be behind him

[main trellis]

None of the classes are bad
Mah man

[astral canyon]

Chorus is their weakest ult tbh

You end up gutting your dps by not taking either of the other two

[hearty island]

Zealot is the worst and 1hko's h40 bosses while having nutty survivability

[main trellis]

DPS is not everything

[coral mirage]

Score board Andy talking…

[astral canyon]

Its still their weakest

[hearty island]

I'd argue you don't take a zealot for dps

[main trellis]

Ikr? Ugh mah dmg
Shut it weirdo

[hearty island]

If youre taking a class for dps, thats Psyker or Scum it seems

Trying to compete there seems to be a losing battle

As far as support goes tho... hard to beat what chorus offers

[astral canyon]

Yeah because both of them are fucking busted as fuck

[verbal dew]

best support is killing stuff

[hearty island]

You say that, but 90% of players are worse than Arbites' dog

[verbal dew]

not my problem

[hearty island]

You win by staying alive

[verbal dew]

which I do by killing everything

[main trellis]

Oh god… that is… very accurate

[hearty island]

vet + zealot have the best oh shit buttons in the game

[coral mirage]

Yeah zealot stealth

Fuck da other guys

[floral galleon]

Yes, pressing F to tell the stinkers surrounding you to keep social distancing is weak

[coral mirage]

Why?

[astral canyon]

If i wanted to bring cc i'd go arbites or ogryn

Not chorus zealot

[main trellis]

Very valid
Hovewer unless you have taunt or nuncio to a degree they ain’t gonna give you survivability on the move

[hearty island]

Ye, I feel vet is a mix between what arbites+ogryn offer and what zealot offers

[main trellis]

Book will

[astral canyon]

If we're comparing with book i think its valid to compare with taunt/btl specifically

[main trellis]

Not to mention completelly trivializing gunner feeds

Ugh just go into melee type shit

[main trellis]

Do they give your team toughness & tdr/dmg? taunt gives debuff yes but thats it
Its like comparing cranberries to cherries; both red, both delicious, both for different dishes

[hearty island]

Thats why I put zealot in B.

If youre building for damage... why not bring Psyker, Scum, or Vet?

If youre building for support, why not bring Vet, Arbites, Psyker, or Ogryn?

[astral canyon]

Zealot's main thing they do better than other classes is one tapping bosses

[near mauve]

zealot is S tier

[astral canyon]

And theres no way in hell youre doing that shit with chorus

[main trellis]

And surviving cause UD

[main trellis]

Stagger & occasional ledging

[hearty island]

Zealot has to commit to one or the other (offense or support) while not being the best at either.

Like you said, the one niche that they do have is as a boss slayer

[main trellis]

[near mauve]

no they dont

builds like fatmangus do both

easily

so does martydom

[coral mirage]

It’s cool this games abilities are in depth enough to create this kind of discourse.

[near mauve]

but its a lot more risky

[coral mirage]

It’s a shame you are still all wrong and should die die die die

Saying fatmagnus feels like the boogy man to some people

[main trellis]

Until you get dmg to the point you have to heal & suddenly take the medicae station from someone who needs it

[hearty island]

It can 1 tap h40 bosses and can pop chorus when things go to shit?

[astral canyon]

Yeah im not saying that zealot is unusable or anything like that

[main trellis]

More like booger man

[near mauve]

the whole point of that build is that u will be taking the least healing out of everyone

[mellow sparrow]

u need stealth to one tap, cant have the chorus

[woeful hill]

Zealot needs tox dot

[near mauve]

unless you're literally trying to explode burster trains for memes

[woeful hill]

New dot, holy fire

[main trellis]

You already do that cause you can survive a lethal hit every 120s

[astral canyon]

I still wish zealot had burn synergy in their tree isntead of bleed

[near mauve]

yes now double the tankiness

[main trellis]

Why not both; would be good

[near mauve]

somethign something le faith

[hearty island]

Ye nah, still B

[astral canyon]

Or both yea

[near mauve]

b stands for beez nuts

[woeful hill]

We can be bees mark.... We can do do

[astral canyon]

Still lame that zealot has 0 burn talents in their tree

[woeful hill]

https://tenor.com/view/good-news-we-can-finally-be-bees-invincible-mark-omni-man-meme-gif-17978969663615411174

[main trellis]

Or just make inferno do burn dots
Or reduce the intervals of dmg ticks & the dmg number fluctuation so it does actual dmg

[astral canyon]

Ig theres immolation nades but like

Its immolation nades

[hearty island]

Tbqh the big thing zealot needs is a rework of its blitzes

[astral canyon]

And its weapons

[hearty island]

Knives are miles better than the other 2

[astral canyon]

At least for TH

[tranquil fjord]

stunstorms and immolations are good but they have been powercrept

[astral canyon]

Nah

[hearty island]

Zealot nades should have a way to regenerate

[astral canyon]

They have issues

[main trellis]

Mmm
Honey

[astral canyon]

Or buff them so theyre worth the pickups

[hearty island]

Arbites and Vets have regenerating nades

[tranquil fjord]

the issue is that they are not good enough no

[main trellis]

Does not do burn

[astral canyon]

Ye lol

Also inconsistent as fuck

[hearty island]

All the humans have regenning nades but Zealot, right?

[astral canyon]

Scum

[main trellis]

Only stuns
Immo is… they need help…

Knifes are good too

[verbal dew]

they all have access to one kind of regenning grenade

[astral canyon]

Stunstorm could use 1-2 more charges and a way shorter fuse

[hearty island]

Knives are 🤌

[hearty island]

1?

[main trellis]

Great animation cancelers

[tranquil fjord]

immos can be good with uncanny but they should already be that powerful anyways

[main trellis]

Ye fuse & draw time

[tranquil fjord]

and a tox nade will be better anyways sigh

[hearty island]

Vet = infinite nades with a node
Arbites = infinite nades with a node
Psyker = wtf are nades
Zealot = bruh

[coral mirage]

Infinite knifes!

Or close too!

[main trellis]

Bruv with uncanny they are still dogshit
Can’t even reliably kill maulers on auric

[hearty island]

The knives are the one well designed blitz they have

[main trellis]

Uncanny immo believers are hyper copers

[hearty island]

The 2 other zealot blitzes are ass

[astral canyon]

Stunstorms are almost good

[main trellis]

I was very surprised how oof they are

[hearty island]

For years zealot players ran the same exact build

[compact oyster]

Because of pathing

[hearty island]

Ye

[astral canyon]

I mean part of that was the tree layout also sucked

Like abysmal turbo dogshit

[tranquil fjord]

true

[coral mirage]

Yeah that makes me said

Sad

I think zealots could be soo cool..

[hearty island]

When you fix something, you dont make numerous changes at the same time.

You make 1 change, see what happens, then continue making changes if necessary

I'd start by giving the nades a method of regening like the other classes

Then, if necessary, I'd look at buffing the nades themselves

[tired prairie]

Immolation grenades have solid ADMs into anything but Carapace (0.1 IIRC), but the issue is in consistency:

• damage tick amount is random within a set range,
• tick timer is also random, and the difference between the max and min time is like 0.8s, which is silly.

[astral canyon]

Yeah immolation nades are inconsistent as fuck

[hearty island]

Ye if they were consistent and zealot could lay down holy fire once a minute thatd be strong

Not enough to put it on par with psyker, but strong

And thats the direction I'd go with Zealot

In terms of changes

The knives are still really strong for those that can consistent headshot with them

Knives would be for 1hko'ing specials from range, Immolation would be horde clear, Stun would be... stun lmao

[coral mirage]

STUN IS COOL

[tranquil fjord]

didnt duelist get nerfed

[hearty island]

Ye, I mean if Arbites can toss out electric mines that last for 15secs for free every minute.... what is so special about Zealot that it shouldnt be allowed to lay down some fire?

[astral canyon]

The zealot talent?

[astral canyon]

Every 90s

[tranquil fjord]

yeah

[astral canyon]

Yeah it got changed from +50% weakspot and crit damage to +50% finesse

So crit weakspot doesnt double dip

[astral canyon]

Zealot isnt a dlc class

Also again i'd prefer to actually buff the non replenishing blitzes so they can be worth the pickups before just giving them regen

[hearty island]

I mean, Psyker has no nades to worry about and Vet can legit SPAM nades

[astral canyon]

Scum has shown that blitzes dont need to have replenishment to be really powerful

[hearty island]

P sure Ogryn and from youre saying Scum have the whole "so strong they prob shouldnt regen" thing on lock

[astral canyon]

Scum yeah ogryn not really

[hearty island]

Regenning nades are good for the game tbh

Theres always going to be a best blitz amongst classes, and if you have multiple classes without regen on your team that means multiple ppl are missing out on entire aspects of their build

[astral canyon]

Non-regenning ones are also good imo

[astral canyon]

Only scum is really that dependent on pickups

[hearty island]

Right, but if Zealot nades were buffed to the point of being better than youd rather the Zealot got the pickups

[tranquil fjord]

that sounds like a pretty big nerf

[astral canyon]

Like if you have a chem bomb/rocket scum youre already going to want to funnel all the pickups to them

[hearty island]

Ye but they still 1hko h40 bosses so its k

[astral canyon]

Ita still a pretty strong talent

[astral canyon]

I mean i doubt it would get to the point of them being better lmao

But it could at least give them some competition

[hearty island]

Then youve made my point, even if buffed youd still want the nades to go to someone else. So theyd throw a couple a game then be tapped out.

Still better off with knives, back to square one

The others need regen to compete with knives

[astral canyon]

Even with regen i dont think knives would be dethroned

[main trellis]

I prefer stuns; they saved many games & situations knives never could dream of

[hearty island]

Ye, thats why I said start there then move on to buffing their performance

Start with regen, then if performance needs improved tweak from there

[main trellis]

Tbh they are both equal to each other now; knives were peak mainly cause talent tree was doodoo
After the change ppl started using stuns way more

[hearty island]

Tbqh stuns have lower skill ceiling

[astral canyon]

Eh idk stuns just arent quite there yet

[hearty island]

Stuns are fire and forget

Knives when used well 1hko specials from range consistently

[main trellis]

Not really; proper thrown stun can mean between a loss & a save

[hearty island]

For sure

Now imagine getting a stun every minute on top of chorus

More wheels for that support zealot setup ppl like running

I like knives when running flamer

If I'm not running flamer? I think itd be cool to be able to be able to use immolation nades

To supplement horde clear

[main trellis]

Stuns are soo powerful that they are used sparingly and there are no problems (unless you have to use them often then your frontline is either non-existant or dogshit)

Should not regen

[main trellis]

Immolations are soo bad using them is considered a loss

[astral canyon]

A 12 meter radius stun every minute is really powerful

[main trellis]

10m; 13m if LP is used

[astral canyon]

Pretty sure its 12m

[hearty island]

Could be 90sec regen, lined up with Arbites' mine

[main trellis]

10m; tested in psychanium
13m with Lethal Prox

[astral canyon]

Base version is 8m and the upgraded version gives +50% radius

[hearty island]

60sec cd for the immolation

[main trellis]

Weird then cause in psychanium its 10m

[astral canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-sure-invincible-omni-man-gif-5616820831685056542

[hearty island]

I know being able to stun that often is strong, but Arbites mine lasts 15s and has a 90s cd

[astral canyon]

It also only has a 3m radius

[main trellis]

Kuli might be wrong; i pointed it out long ago before zealot tree rework

Go to psychanium

[hearty island]

Great for holding chokes, similar to psyker staff

[main trellis]

Line up enemies & test the radius

From the point of explosion

[astral canyon]

Cant rn

[main trellis]

I will in some hours

[astral canyon]

Yeah its amazing at chokepoints

[hearty island]

Its crazy too cuz arbites shock mines trigger all their stagger passives repeatedly

[astral canyon]

Open spaces not so much

[hearty island]

P much instant max stacks of most your buffs

Zealot nades dont synergize with their kit the same way

They just kind of exist in a vacuum

[astral canyon]

Ig but so do most blitzes anyways

[main trellis]

Of all things; stuns should be on vet

[astral canyon]

ehhhh

[hearty island]

Lol

Vet would be chucking like 20 a minute

[astral canyon]

idk they already have frags for aoe stagger

[main trellis]

But not hard stagger

[astral canyon]

ye and i dont think vet really needs it much

[hearty island]

Vet gets 1 a minute on top of like another 4% chance iirc per elite that is killed by anyone

[astral canyon]

5% per elite or specialist killed by you or allies in coherency

[main trellis]

5%

[hearty island]

Jeeeeeezzzzzz

Yeah nah theyd be flashbanging the screen ad nauseum

[astral canyon]

but yeah vet frags already do aoe stagger while also contributing to horde clear

[hearty island]

And they have a chance the throw 2 each time

[astral canyon]

not like it would make much of a difference with stunstorms tbh

or like the talent is used for most builds outside of frag spam

[hearty island]

But ye, when compared to what other classes can do with their blitzes...... Zealot blitzes are incredibly dated and I dont think regen is a big ask

[astral canyon]

eh ig

again i'd rather they buffed the blitzes to be worth giving the zealot pickups but if it isnt enough then sure

i do think they should get tweaks regardless

mainly for stunstorm to feel better to use and immolations are just dogshit

theyre "good" for clearing trash hordes but just use your melee lmao

[hearty island]

Bonus points if they make zealot blitzes synergize with rest of kit.

"Using chorus in radius of immolation grenade causes dot to trigger twice as often during duration of chorus"

Stuff like that

[astral canyon]

i dont think thats needed

[hearty island]

Agree, I'd be happy with just the other blitzes being good in a vacuum

[astral canyon]

like if theres going to be direct synergy like that then it should be something more natural than adding specific cases for situations like that

[hearty island]

Ye, like arbites' mine triggering stagger talents

[maiden pine]

is there a good crowbar build for hs?

[astral canyon]

good would be pushing it

crowbar just sucks unfortunately

having a weapon that leans this heavily into latch attacks on a class like hive scum just doesnt work

[maiden pine]

got a nice crowbar

am I gonna be punching air if I use this

[astral canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/marisa-nitori-touhou-watching-the-spoons-spark-in-the-microwave-spoons-spark-gif-15059265203421464801

[maiden pine]

hey that's my fav crowbar

[fluid ether]

here are the facts:

• the base radius of the shock grenade explosion is 8m; reference: https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/f63d836657e78a049d326dbda6bd7fe7d09df543/scripts/settings/damage/explosion_templates/player_grenade_explosion_templates.lua#L55
• the augmented version applies a 50% buff to that explosion radius; reference: https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/f63d836657e78a049d326dbda6bd7fe7d09df543/scripts/settings/buff/archetype_buff_templates/zealot_buff_templates.lua#L498
  so:
• 8 * 1.5 = 12
• with Lethal Proximity (tier 4): 8 * 1.75 = 14

testing radii in psykhanium can be deceptive if not done accurately

[astral canyon]

the goat

i kinda wish lethal prox applied to the 12 meters instead of the base 8

[restive mortar]

Everyone jabbers on and on and on about ogryn knuckle dusters
Give hive scum some too

They're crazy enough for it

[mellow sparrow]

hail psyker scum

[rustic lava]

Give scum that chainsword crowbar combo shown in the art

[astral canyon]

you mean the middle one on the tree?

im pretty sure thats bonesaw and crowbar

[neat trout]

slippery customer never works

[rustic lava]

Yeah that

Combo weapons in general

Should be a scum thing

[main trellis]

I remember when i was testing it in psychanium the max radius from the point of explosion to the furthest enemy was 10m, 13m with lethal proximity
Its weird cause never doubt kulis guides tbh but this one i saw such numbers back then (it was before zealot tree rework we have now)
I will once again test them in psychanium when i come home

[unreal stirrup]

slippery customer is a trap

[maiden pine]

for shivs I keep getting hit, hard to position correctly

[dapper coral]

ll u be my big spoon?

[astral canyon]

what

[bronze glade]

Just dodge more

Hive scum dodges are so forgiving

[astral canyon]

who thought scum needed an extra dodge as a passive lmao

[jovial heron]

Same guy who thought they needed 25 extra toughness

[astral canyon]

and street tough probably

[warm axle]

tbf nearly everyone was vocal about low level scum being pretty rough
average scum were walking corpses til they can pump enough damage to lawnmower any threats.

[astral canyon]

they already fixed that with the first changes to the tree

[vapid jungle]

The original tree shifts addressed that well enough

[warm axle]

i agree, but why put one piece of duck tape on the horrible pr for scum when you can put five? it’s not like they didn’t already do this for psyker so what did we really expect for the new “glass cannon” class

[vapid jungle]

Scum is plenty durable. I think if people are struggling to survive its probably mechanical/knowledge shortcomings.

[astral canyon]

if people are struggling on scum its 100% a skill issue

there is no glass on this cannon anymore

[vapid jungle]

Also what other class has a customizable stim that can give you on demand dr?

[warm axle]

it simply wasn’t, at low levels.

[astral canyon]

yes at launch it wasnt

but after the first tree changes it was already pretty durable

[rotund agate]

I still sometimes run into melee against like 3-4 gunners and then proceed to run out of toughness because I wanna use chem dep with chaxe. (adrenaline would limit the freedom I get with what attacks to use because rev/saw kills don't count for smiter)

for further context on why adrenaline would fix the "running out of toughness in the middle of meleeing gunners" problem: adrenaline unbound

[unborn hinge]

they prob check the numbeers on every class doing havoc 40 and seen hive scum wasnt

doing well as the other classes

that's my assumption

[astral canyon]

nah they were prob looking at like auric and below

[verbal dew]

h40 isn't good metrics, because it's not matchmaking

[astral canyon]

its also a very small section of the playerbase

[verbal dew]

yeah and the builds aren't always up to the people using them

unless they're hosts

[astral canyon]

if anything if they were looking at h40 scum wouldve gotten giganerfed

[unborn hinge]

it's just something to look at

like a baseline

[main trellis]

Ppl were simply fking dogshit; HS was very good at launch… now its busted

[verbal dew]

first time leveling scum was rough

but that was also because everyone else was scum

[main trellis]

I had no issues personally

[unborn hinge]

doesn't mean it's correct butthey need data somewhere

[clever wren]

Servers were shitting themselves at hive scum launch too

be playing game
everyone starts running in place and rubber banding
oh I'm dead now
kicked back to character select with Error 2014

Wonder how much hive scum death in those days was from less catastrophic network issues

[spice mural]

More like every patch at this point.

[main trellis]

Ye recently 2014 error is running rampant

[spice mural]

The expedition patch seemed worse than most though tbh.

[main trellis]

Dead gamemode anyways; what a flop it is

[spice mural]

I actually really like expeditions.

But I see no reason to continue doing so once I get my penances done.

[clever wren]

Randoms* need The Hallway or they will repel each other like 4 particles with the same charge

[main trellis]

Worse than trials… unironically… after longer playtime

[main trellis]

I do too but its problems are too glaring to ignore

Its bad

[spice mural]

Splitting up is more efficient in expeditions. At least on malice which is the most efficient penance farm and hence the only difficulty I care about. >_>

I did the damnation penance with a premade, we just went sanctuary -> sanctuary -> extract.

[main trellis]

And thats the fking issue with that gamemode; no incentive to play highier than malice

You gimp yourself

If you do

[spice mural]

Having no reason to play higher difficulties and thus remove friction and make the penance farm faster isn’t an issue for me, it’s a feature.

[west bluff]

give us aquilas for playing high diff expeditions

im sure this wont have any consequences

[spice mural]

The salt would be enormous.

Because then you’re putting a cash value to time.

[clever wren]

Tencent is already approaching your location

[main trellis]

That would the easiest money ever

Like actualy piss ez

[spice mural]

Besides im climbing havoc and getting those penances. Having an easy mode where i can zone out is nice.

[main trellis]

Havoc expeditions… that… would be nice to give aquilas after a week (minimal amount)

[spice mural]

I went in to havoc 21 for the first time and oh man I got absolutely destroyed. It was educational. The difficulty spike is real.

[main trellis]

Best part is
H21 is piss ez too…

Like its not really bad

It starts to kick at 30 mah man

[spice mural]

Yeah I’m not salty about it. Losses happen.

I’ll get past it sooner or later. Must has moar penances.

Plus I play the bounty hunter voice pack, so relentlessly farming penances is an excellent bit of roleplay.

[main trellis]

Need some help?

[spice mural]

Maybe later. I’m at work.

Just taking a break.

[main trellis]

I come from work now; 7.09 pm

[spice mural]

I’m home from work in like… 4~ hours depending on traffic.

But I have other stuff to do etc.

[main trellis]

NA?

[spice mural]

Ye

[main trellis]

Yikes

I’m EU

[spice mural]

The mission I have was the one where you have to get the batteries to the bridge and trek your way across the map to the area you have to hold the station. In the early area right before the bridge we had a bunch of gunners spawn. Psyker went down, Arbites went down. And then me and the other hive scum got overwhelmed.

I think the mods were rotten armor, stims, and fading light 1? I don’t remember exactly.

[main trellis]

Quite rough

[spice mural]

I’d really wished the psyker had bubble for that. =(

[main trellis]

Would not help much

You’d had to kill them eventualy

And bubble is 2 passive

Usually

[digital drift]

is it worth running crit chance + dmg on tac axe or would carapace dmg be more useful?

[vapid jungle]

The crit damage perk is dogshit

[mighty belfry]

Crit chance is a very rare pick for only a select few weapons

Do not ever use crit damage though.

It's a terrible perk.

[vapid jungle]

Fwiw I usually run flak/unyielding and carapace. Depends a lot on build and ranged weapon.

[digital drift]

what blessings do y'all run with it? I havent used tac axe in so long the new blessings look shiny but i dont wanna get duped by them

[vapid jungle]

Headtaker bromentum is the most common.

[plucky nymph]

is ther h40 scum solo that isnt abusing jittery or running thru map

[woeful hill]

Haven't found one

Oh wait

@hot edge has one

Sycorax though

I haven't been trying for mine lately

Drg been too good

[mighty belfry]

I want to say

That's relative. 21 might be easy to you or me.

But generally. It's still a pretty big step up from Auric.

And one that is going to trip people up that aren't used to it

Wouldn't really call it "easy".

[reef spoke]

yes it is. You just need to hit people

ez game

[spice mural]

I use head taker and shred. But I'm also using a crit build to take full advantage of channeled devastation and coated weaponry.

[mighty belfry]

[reef spoke]

bonk :3

[spice mural]

My current assignment.

[mighty belfry]

Oh god.

Well fuck alright.

Sorry for your RNG there bud

[spice mural]

Your reaction means I don’t feel so bad about losing.

[reef spoke]

if only our stims were as strong as theirs lol

[mighty belfry]

To put it bluntly. That mission is probably harder than some havoc 40s only because of the modifiers.

Rotten armor and Stimms is no joke

[plucky nymph]

dclaw is makin me wanna, ive had too many solo half the mission runs whre i might as well try it lol

[woeful hill]

Try it

I've been having fun with it in solo

Since no server lag

Parries feel so good

[mighty belfry]

Devil's Claw really shines in solo

[woeful hill]

Hate BoN

[plucky nymph]

yea bon only boss not dying in 0.2s xD

[woeful hill]

You can't parry it in solo

Its just a badly designed boss

[plucky nymph]

earlier i had twins in airlock room. i made the range twin kick spam me in corner and i put those parries into melee twin and ive never seen twin die so fast lmao

[woeful hill]

Rodin just kicks in melee

It's funny to corner him

Free with the Dclaw

[plucky nymph]

and then my fav is when bon is looking somewhere elseand then you take a non-damaging tick of vomit for no fking reason

[woeful hill]

Yup

90 degree vomit

[plucky nymph]

eats someone

goes afk

[woeful hill]

Bulwark and BoN are the worst designed enemy in the game

Never fun to interact with

[spice mural]

Joined a person’s havoc group. Soon as they got downed they immediately rage quit.

[woeful hill]

Well besides crushing BoN in a door

[spice mural]

That’s a fine how do you do.

[woeful hill]

Yup

Welcome to pubs

[spice mural]

The even had the havoc 40 title. Lewl

[woeful hill]

Titles don't mean anything

[spice mural]

It is funny they’re wearing it and then do that though.

[woeful hill]

Nor level or emblems, or hours played

Yeah

[spice mural]

Being a man down in this is brutal as it’s a havoc 21.

It’s the mission with the arena at the end in the carnival.

[woeful hill]

Mercentile

[spice mural]

Yeah.

Rotten armor, fading, and the green slime thing.

[woeful hill]

Blight

[spice mural]

Yeah that.

This zealot and Arbites are doing their best to keep it going. And it’s admirable.

I’m not nearly good enough to 3 man this. T.T

[woeful hill]

That's all that matters, look to have fun and improve

[plucky nymph]

one time for bon he ate someone and just went afk and i was playing crate scum being chased by 99999999 things

every loop id drop a crate so he wouldnt lose hp lmao bon never moved for like 4 circuits

[woeful hill]

You got this, just look to improve

Everyone starts from somewhere

[woeful hill]

Lmao

[spice mural]

The one that left was the psyker so without flame staff it hurts.

[woeful hill]

A good way to improve is to take away things that make it easy

Like a purg psyker

Imagine a havoc 40 solo with no purg psyker

[mighty belfry]

Backpack baby

[plucky nymph]

also try new things, not necessarily build wise but try handling some scenario different than normal (usually more aggressive than normal) and just keep doin it xD

[spice mural]

We did it.

42 minutes.

But we did it.

It changed my mission to this one.

I take it that’s a lot better?

[main trellis]

Get CC

[unique dagger]

u telling me u can't parry burgle vomit

Skill issue

delete game

[woeful hill]

Gg ez

[unique dagger]

@woeful hill

[woeful hill]

Lmao

Still?

[unique dagger]

still

crazy

[woeful hill]

They hate me because I said the truth

[unique dagger]

he left such a hate comment steam refuses to let it pass the check

[mighty belfry]

Well duh. That doesn't mean it's an easy modifier for someone who's not used to it.

And in general really.

[limber cradle]

Patience test modifier

[mighty belfry]

Bladder check modifier.

[main trellis]

Imagine not pissing before sitting to play havoc

[mighty belfry]

Rotten is the one fucking modifier where I legit abstain drinking any beverages 😭

[jovial heron]

ooof blight

[mighty belfry]

Admittedly I wish I could play but the optimization is fucking horrible for me rn

Tried yesterday and it was legit just unplayable for me.

So Marathon it is

[main trellis]

Ah the stolen art design game

From KEKgie i mean bungie

[limber cradle]

Darktide update, time for the game to run like trash again

[main trellis]

Error 2014 is very common now

Love artificial difficulty

[limber cradle]

Havoc loss cause the lobby crashed lol

[mighty belfry]

Okay. Credit where credit is due cuz I was pissed about that. They did actually rectify that in a way that does at least give some good faith.

Apparently it was a previous employee that did it and left the assets there. So they actually did reach a favorable agreement with the person that was stolen from.

As well as credited them as a part of the art direction.

Like I can't fault that last part. It seems they did actually try to handle the matter in an actually meaningful way.

It's just unfortunate that it really tarnished the game's marketing.

I know Bungo's got some skeletons in the closet but I can't say this is really one of em.

[main trellis]

Of all things a spine is no longer present in that company

[mighty belfry]

I mean, I can't fault that thought at all. Admittedly the fact that it was Bungie at all was what had me worried. But I also love Marathon's lore and couldn't help but be curious when I saw a bunch of people I know say it's actually way better than they expected.

[main trellis]

Loved Destiny 2; they turned it into WoW tier of ‚you’ll own nothing & be happy’ type shit (i think such system is doomed to fail)

[mighty belfry]

That's my real worry.

I'm enjoying it now.

I really hope they do their part to not let it turn to shit.

[main trellis]

Thats ok

Just be ready for dissapointment

[mighty belfry]

I'm always ready for disappointment baybeeee

[main trellis]

Bungie; the legendary company from times long gone do not exist no more

And with it the spark they had

[mighty belfry]

That's the thing though.

I think this the first time I've actually seen that spark come through with their games in quite a while

Will the spark last?

Only time will tell.

[main trellis]

Might be cope in a form of hopium

Be aware

[mighty belfry]

More like cautious optimism.

I really like it. I hope they don't fuck it up.

Me and two of my friends got hooked admittedly and it's been real fun.

Arc just could not grasp me like this game has.

[main trellis]

Just like me with Forever Winter (never played it; love it tho)

[mighty belfry]

I'm biding my time for that one.

[main trellis]

Me 2

[mighty belfry]

Because it looks like it's gonna be something really cool

But I can also tell it's in need of polishing

And I'd rather hold my interest until that polishing happens.

Actually. I think I can quantify why Marathon gripped me.

It's an extraction shooter where the real reward, is the lore.

[limber cradle]

The reward is killing people

[mighty belfry]

Also that.

[limber cradle]

(I've never played the game fwiw, but the reward is always murder)

[mighty belfry]

I wiped three squads yesterday alone.

The adrenaline was going crazy.

...And then I get killed by a Rook hiding in a corner.

But, that's just a part of the game

It giveth. It taketh away.

[limber cradle]

As long as you die well it's a win

[hot edge]

No

[plucky nymph]

i say abuse jitter like im so cool
im gonna abuse dodge distance

XD

[mighty belfry]

Why not both?