Could be point blank on an enemy’s chest and the shot won’t connect
#hivescum-class
wheat brook
fast surge
Are you using run n gun
May help you hit your shots
and I just look for the hitmarker to see if I hit something
verbal dew
ye the only satisfying thing about it is the results and how it requires little synergy
because it's just so anti-talents
wheat brook
I want a “elites and specials” only hit marker option like V2
low harbor
Could be point blank on an enemy’s chest and the shot won’t connect
hipfire spread is large by default but tightens up dramatically when u crouch
wheat brook
So crouch for a second to shoot then resume as normal?
low harbor
crouch if u want to hipfire accurately
vapid jungle
There's a blessing and talent to help as well if youre still struggling
wheat brook
Should I be hip firing it more than aiming?
vapid jungle
Are enemies closer or further away generally
wheat brook
Mid to long range, picking off stuff like snipers or a trapper scurrying over
zenith fern
Mfw a needle gun does not sound as loud as a real fire arm
And just pops small needles
muted pivot
Should I be hip firing it more than aiming?
I usually aim to shoot anything smaller than an ogryn
Ogryn I just plink away at them
zenith fern
You really try to hip fire in close range for a quick shot on specials and elites
And run n gun helps
muted pivot
If it's that close and I want tox, I chuck a shiv usually
wheat brook
I have that, I don’t really remember the other blessing to be honest
muted pivot
The other blessings are subjective
Stripped down or speed loader are good I think?
Or well least bad
Or hot shot
To hit 2 targets if you're playing with blue needles
wheat brook
I very rarely use the blue needles
zenith fern
Stripped down is a must need
wheat brook
Is that the one where you run and don’t take damage from ranged?
muted pivot
The trouble I have with the blue needles is that it feels like half the time you don't kill a trashy in the first shot
Might just be late wave Mortis stuff
Since all the breakpoints get screwy there
wind crane
shiv mk1 vs mk3?
whats the difference?
keen bridge
What would y'all consider the scums best horde clear melee?
limber cradle
Probably CAxe
woeful hill
Combat axe or Heavy sword
keen bridge
I always wanna try new builds but then the chem build tempts me back 😔
vale garden
Depends what you mean by horde
Mixed horde or chaff horde
Slashy shivs are good for anything but ogryns
And even then theyre fine for everything but crushers
cerulean crane
Hsword scum needs needle for carapass right
cerulean crane
Or do they have enough stupid damage buffs to carapace with haword
vale garden
Depends on diff probably
Cause a rocket launcher takes care of crushers
But if youre getting infinity million crushers, that becomes less practical
cerulean crane
I have limited knowledge of the game I mostly just play pub maelsotrnr
I just thought hsword adm was bad against cara
bronze glade
Hsword scum needs needle for carapass right
Not anymore 
bronze glade
I just thought hsword adm was bad against cara
It's a lot better now
The special gives ten percent brittleness
cerulean crane
It's a lot better now
Oh did it get buffed?
bronze glade
Yeah
cerulean crane
Im a big hsword fan just in terms of mouth feel but I always hated crushers
mighty belfry
Hsword scum needs needle for carapass right
Channeled Aggression makes heavy sword very viable for crushers
mighty belfry
It's the 25% rending on heavies while rampage is active.
gray fable
Unfortunately I don't know talent node names
who even remembers them
cerulean crane
who even remembers them
The guy who just said one of them
I know twbs on zealot I think that's it
mighty belfry
who even remembers them
You underestimate how autistic the people in this server are.
cerulean crane
But I think part of it is that I just yoink builds because I am unintelligent. And thus I only know nodes by their location rather than name
Sometimes I tweak shit to personal preference but my brain filters out the top text and only reads effect lol
plucky nymph
does the unload talent work? i can only get 2% dmg from reload, full empty mag reload is still only 2% (dual stubby wubbys)
flat mist
does the unload talent work? i can only get 2% dmg from reload, full empty mag r...
The buff is based on how empty your mag is
When you reload its 0% empty so it goes back down to 2%
plucky nymph
oh i thought it was adding to the 7s buff duration for 20% just goin as long as ur shootin
that sucks ass then lmao thanks
flat mist
Yeah thats how i originally interpreted it too
plucky nymph
a gray minor node can give 10% range dmg, and thats basically an inconsistent 10%. why game why
bronze glade
that sucks ass then lmao thanks
It's good on double barrel
plucky nymph
i thought it tweaked out on double barrel and only gave 2% always? or something goofy
bronze glade
Actually looking at the description again yeah not sure lol
And kulis guide isn't very clear
Would have to test
bronze glade
We just had this convo 
wind crane
i didnt
bronze glade
Well I'll catch you up. Hsword HIV doesn't need needler for crushers
wind crane
oh hSWORD sry read wrong
plucky nymph
not fair how shiv gets some forgiveness factor or something, where u can still regen knives if the poison kills them around the melee
yet bone saw gets cucked and if its the poison that kills, 0 window and fk u for using the weapon
mighty belfry
Hell heavy sword is one of the few weapons you can cleave crushers with.
cerulean crane
I haven't even tried the Honda
Bonesaw
Tf
My plasteel is thin having to build 6 different characters
jovial heron
cerulean crane
Well 4
I should do havoc but the concept scares me and I don't wanna deal with salty people
And it doesn't let me solo 
jovial heron
is the Meat grinder borked for anyone? zero spawns for me even after turning off Creature spawner
jovial heron
And it doesn't let me solo <:Sitgryn:1016269420638765107>
you can with mods
keen bridge
yet bone saw gets cucked and if its the poison that kills, 0 window and fk u for...
"oh you wanna use the blackout grenades? Haha good one dipshit"
plucky nymph
like 1 milion talents dont work if poison kills but if poison kills for shivs, gordon ramsay is like oh dear, precious
here u go
keen bridge
It would be one thing if the Bonesaw was already overpowered but it's.... really not
It's just ok
It's also funny that using the dedicated chem toxin melee actively sabotages you from taking the chem blackout grenades, which synergize with everything
stray mulch
My plasteel is thin having to build 6 different characters
collecting plasteel is the worst
ngl
cerulean crane
I've gotten the game into a stable state so as much as I want a scoreboard I don't wanna fuck with installing any mods and risking ruining everything
I think it's pretty easy to tell when you're doing well anyway or being a detriment
stray mulch
well is subjective
jovial heron
the whole discord is built around vibes based assumptions though...
stray mulch
there are those that get scoreboard and hyperfocus on damage and kills
they don't do objs
just farm numbers in a corner then BM team when they go down alone in some corner
cerulean crane
Man who kills 8 crushers vs man who kills 800 chaff
stray mulch
800 chaff vs 8 crushers lmao BUT Roles in squads are still good
the past year i think it's been my role to make sure specials and elites die ASAP. Noticed when im not on them ppl die and the run ends
still dont understand how some people play Havoc and Auric by just ignoring specials
they can hear a dog and literally just let it pounce them
same for trappers
jovial heron
they can hear a dog and literally just let it pounce them
Being crusher, boss, specialist guy is very valuable I think. One of the reasons I love a good veteran
stray mulch
I'm a bit toxic when testing though ngl. I do some runs where i refuse to touch trappers and dogs, just to see how things go
jovial heron
Specialists being sniped makes it way less stressful
keen bridge
they can hear a dog and literally just let it pounce them
Was playing yesterday with a friend and watched a new Psyker slowly look up at a crusher while it swung at them instead of dodging it cracked me up so bad
"beloved now what do you think that is coming down at us?"
cerulean crane
still dont understand how some people play Havoc and Auric by just ignoring spec...
my teammates will kill it 😏
flat mist
they can hear a dog and literally just let it pounce them
I let dogs pounce me to get street tough value 🧠
stray mulch
Being crusher, boss, specialist guy is very valuable I think. One of the reasons...
yeah but some ppl like to dumpster on you when you get less damage total [not pointing any fingers]
in all fairness I've realized big numbers just pad ego in many games
a lot of people have never played in actual teams -- sports or otherwise
jovial heron
Yeah just did a duo mael and the psyker had double my damage but didnt clutch revive, and mostly was just landing bleed tics and warpfire shrieks on infinitely spawning chaff cause it was just us trying to kill the demons in the refinery forge thing. Literally minutes of damage piling and while they stayed alive I definitely did more objectives than him lmao
stray mulch
Yeah just did a duo mael and the psyker had double my damage but didnt clutch re...
sounds like a game i played with someone in the past that brought it up in this very chat
hehe
farm numbers
grow ego
scoreboard is a sort of plague
jovial heron
I like it for personal use and for comparing various builds but using it to dunk on people not so much. That being said, letting it be a quiet response to people who talk shit about being the best is always funny. It’s a diagnostic tool not a trophy
I’ve also heard that scoreboard inflates numbers too so who knows what’s accurate
stray mulch
they all calc diff from what i remember
if it inflates your score the ego comment is even funnier
bronze glade
the scoreboard calcs are prob a horrendous mess
stray mulch
realistically the damage numbers are useful, but people put TOO much emphasis on damage
even me when it comes to dps
i liked the scoreboards that show blocks, dodges, objs and the like
those lowkey matter more imo
jovial heron
i liked the scoreboards that show blocks, dodges, objs and the like
Bruh I only need one hand to count blocks in a match
stray mulch
i actually block a lot
jovial heron
That’s good cause I forget to
stray mulch
but i think like half of if it accidental due to block looping or my habit of holding block while dodging
jovial heron
Unless you are prepping a big heavy attack I do think blocking while dodging is probably best
stray mulch
it's a habit i picked up from when i was learning P.Sword
hard to break imo
used to have to do it in between prepping the power up, never got out of the habit
I find myself doing the same on Force Swords and Bonesaw when using the specials too. Pretty sure ive done it on T.Hammer as well
keen bridge
Question does In Your Face increase needle pistol damage over time or nah?
I forget if ranged damage is specifically damage from ranged weapons, or just any damage past a certain distance
And chem is finicky
bronze glade
yeah it's global damage
keen bridge
Interesting, how does that...work with the DOT from melee? Since it gives you more damage the closer you are, does it improve the damage even if you're point blank hitting them with the melee?
Oh wait or is 12.5 the minimum distance and below that it cuts out
bronze glade
Oh wait or is 12.5 the minimum distance and below that it cuts out
15% damage up to 12.5m, and then scaling linearly from 100% of 15% bonus damage to 0% of 15% bonus damage from 12.5m+ to 30m
stray mulch
Question does In Your Face increase needle pistol damage over time or nah?
one of the only ways to scale DoT
i would make a list but its so small that it's not really worth
i still can't confirm close and deadly working, but i assume that it does as well
mellow sparrow
give me hive scum 😭
bronze glade
then hand over money
mellow sparrow
ok
noble kayak
I just came back and they change hivescum skill tree? what changed?
verbal dew
rearranged some stuff, changed a few talents
some were removed and replaced with new ones
mellow sparrow
i bought scum
now its time to zoom
may the knife chip and shatter
for melee scum
do you guys go for adrenaline or dependency?
fuck it ima copy mr e
verbal dew
dire
zenith fern
fuck it ima copy mr e
mellow sparrow
🦈
west bluff
mr e is goated
zenith fern
We will have to exterminate these two individuals now
mellow sparrow
heh
tranquil fjord
if you use his toxin build with the bonesaw
either his or reginalds i cant be arsed to remember
youll find out immediately that it can hardly horde clear
so
west bluff
https://tenor.com/view/blasphemy-lies-gif-21274018
i mean
there isnt really another source of good builds
reginald too
his builds are good from what ive tried
spice cloud
there isnt really another source of good builds
Just go on the class channels
Actually good builds
Mr e is king of misinformation
west bluff
no way
spice cloud
Yes
west bluff
Just go on the class channels
where
spice cloud
Then u ask for good build for this class and usually people will post smth
Yes theres also builds in pins
mellow sparrow
i chose gameslantern!
modern current
Anyone have a shiv based build?
modern current
Is it any good?
I've been trying to build a speed shiv build, something akin to the zealot speed knife build
spice cloud
It does look decent
zenith pagoda
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a157966e-af42-4676-a70c-a530eef189ea/avoid-blight
I use this
muted pivot
Here you can get a build and then actually discuss specific talent choices etc if you like
Just copying builds outright is convenient but you don't get the same kind of result imo
modern current
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a14e3062-e8db-457c-9afc-c834fb26c17c/th...
It worked great, just did an auric expedition and got all POIs
tranquil fjord
now that pocket toxin aint much of a tax, i think i should try it with blinders
mellow sparrow
It worked great, just did an auric expedition and got all POIs
its nice rightt, i swapped the dual for the toxic pistol
west bluff
when do i use the blue goop on bone saw
low harbor
when do i use the blue goop on bone saw
Flak & carapace (mainly carapace)
west bluff
Flak & carapace (mainly carapace)
aight
low harbor
But better yet
Use smth other than bonesaw
astral canyon
the bonesaw exists to be used
debatable
zenith pagoda
Give it perfect strike and it will be amazing
blissful gull
do shivs have elevated crit chance on light attacks?
muted pivot
when do i use the blue goop on bone saw
I like to use it on targets that I would needle pistol first anyway
Mostly bosses
Plenty of weapons have a surprisingly poor unyielding modifier and that helps everyone out on them
But this is a minority viewpoint here I think? Majority say just use green or another weapon
zenith fern
bronze glade
what's the tldw
blissful gull
anyone know how much damage splashdamage tends to net you over a havoc 40 run? My scoreboard mod is not working anymore
main trellis
https://youtu.be/OgbtMFuleDA?is=2THUF-clzllVMD0e
Oh no
I dread to think what he states
low harbor
I dread to think what he states
crusher honestly isn't hard to fix
reduce hp from 6500 to 6000
give all of his body part hit zones DR vs ranged, and DR vs DOT
main trellis
reduce hp from 6500 to 6000
give all of his body part hit zones DR vs ranged, an...
Sounds like a buff
west bluff
what if we strapped a mortar shell to his rock hammer thing
so when he hits you with that sweet overhead it triggers an explosion as strong as a poxburster's
low harbor
Best part is; does not require fixing lmao
he's kinda alr
west bluff
so when he hits you with that sweet overhead it triggers an explosion as strong ...
no more true grit arbites noobs getting too confident
low harbor
I think better to make him specifically easier to kill via melee but harder to kill from ranged
west bluff
Guess i’m a noob
sorry ive had nothing but bad experiences with arbites players
main trellis
I think better to make him specifically easier to kill via melee but harder to k...
Ah; so pre-fix rotten armour but reverse cause for ranged
Ye nah boi
Foolish
low harbor
Ah; so pre-fix rotten armour but reverse cause for ranged
Ye nah boi
no?
this is change to baseline
before havoc hidden modifiers & mutators
main trellis
before havoc hidden modifiers & mutators
EVEN worse
Bruv; ppl struggle in auric/damnation and you wanna buff an enemy they shit their breeches when they see them
low harbor
Bruv; ppl struggle in auric/damnation and you wanna buff an enemy they shit thei...
what buff
did u like
forget the "reduce hp from 6500 to 6000" part
at the start
main trellis
forget the "reduce hp from 6500 to 6000" part
Thats nothing
low harbor
yea crusher shouldn't be cheesed from DOT
bronze glade
reduce hp from 6500 to 6000
give all of his body part hit zones DR vs ranged, an...
don't crushers already have big dot resist, aside from tox?
low harbor
don't crushers already have big dot resist, aside from tox?
u mean "no DOT resist whatsoever"
yea
main trellis
don't crushers already have big dot resist, aside from tox?
Its carapace
low harbor
there is no DOT resist
astral canyon
ceases to be a factor with uncanny stacking
low harbor
unless you're thinking of a new separate mechanic
yes, new mechanic of specifically DOT reduction
bronze glade
ic
main trellis
well by virtue of carapace
Can’t remember soulblaze but
Bleed 0.25
Burn 0.1
Tox 0.9
And mah man wanna give DoT resist
You wanna nerf dots? Fix uncanny
bronze glade
i think path mainly wants an uncanny nerf lol
low harbor
and still DOT reduction
I actually want warp, DOT and ranged DR separately
So warp ranged gets DR’d twice
And warp DOT also gets DR’d twice
astral canyon
instructions unclear, 500 more buffs to scrier's gaze
main trellis
Don’t let your bias speak over your logical brain cause you wanna nerf psyker, not ‚fix’ crushers
low harbor
I do think 500 lower hp would help
Makes most anti-carapace melee take 1 less hit to kill
main trellis
I do think 500 lower hp would help
Ofc it will… but the rest of the stuff is a massive buff so you end up buffing then
Think mah man think!
astral canyon
it would only affect if you shoot or use DoTs on them
low harbor
Definitelly 10%
Nah
~7k equivalent vs ranged / DOT would be alr
Just to discourage shooting crushers or DOT cheese
astral canyon
0.9 would be effectively just 100 more hp compared to current
low harbor
0.9 would be effectively just 100 more hp compared to current
Ye. So x0.9 gets almost same vs ranged/DOT but melee takes 1 less hit to kill
I think it’s fair?
astral canyon
accounting for the 6k hp
low harbor
x0.85 is ~500 higher effective hp vs ranged/DOT while melee takes 1 less hit to kill
low harbor
accounting for the 6k hp
Yea ofc
main trellis
Ye. So x0.9 gets almost same vs ranged/DOT but melee takes 1 less hit to kill
So ye; 10%
low harbor
So ye; 10%
Not x0.1
astral canyon
what about x-1
low harbor
<:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163> <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163> <:KEKW_ogryn...
I also think crushers’ space blocking can maybe use tweaks
He occupies a much bigger space than his visual model suggests
Same goes for almost all bosses
lilac crystal
crusher flak head when
astral canyon
february 31th
spice mural
crusher flak head when
If it doesn’t happen would you say your hopes were… crushed!?
zenith pagoda
Yeah rotten armour did the opposite of what it was supposed to
It should increase damage reduction the less hp it has
This counters DoT but still allows for weapons like thunder hammer to 1 shot
astral canyon
Yeah rotten armour did the opposite of what it was supposed to
wdym
rotten armor is doing exactly what it was supposed to be
make havoc dogshit
zenith pagoda
500 crushers
brittle sierra
make havoc dogshit
Stinky poop 💩
vast pagoda
Today i got on hive scum and i couldn't help but feel "wow hivescums shiv kind of blows right now" is there something in havoc or maybe a nerf i missed that decreased their attack speed?
verbal dew
mk1 got slightly worse cleave on lights
vast pagoda
Yeah that i didn't really notice being too much of an issue when that dropped
limber cradle
Does Hyper V override actual cleave or nah?
vast pagoda
i think in havoc at the start before i touched any enemies the attack speed was fine but the second i got into combat it was like .5x the speed
limber cradle
I heard it did at some point
spice mural
Today i got on hive scum and i couldn't help but feel "wow hivescums shiv kind o...
Did your talent tree get reset? Did you remember to grab the attack speed with stamina talent maybe?
vast pagoda
im just gonna blame my brain tbh
its not like anythings really changed i just haven't played in like what a week
leaden fable
Pesky brains, what are they even good for
low harbor
Does Hyper V override actual cleave or nah?
no interaction
limber cradle
no interaction
Thank you, was driving
bronze crown
T Axe VII is best HS melee imo now.
jovial heron
It’s pretty good not gonna lie. Time to kill crushers lags a bit compared to combat axe, knife, shivs imo
bronze crown
Combat Axe is better?
bronze glade
T Axe VII is best HS melee imo now.
Good but Rashad crushes it in raw damage output
And shivs are also really good
limber cradle
Shivs best melee cause they're also ranged
limber cradle
That's just expeditions
main wagon
It feels worse today
Whole team dies, I rescue them like literally 40m from all their shit, they run across the map to extraction with 2 obj's left
If I could pull out a bolt pistol and just fucking execute any Ogryn over level 200 I would
They have like a reverse skill curve where the higher the level, the more abysmally dogshit the player is
brittle sierra
https://tenor.com/view/yamcha-yamcha-death-pose-yamcha-dead-yamcha-on-the-ground...
Play on Malice
Only way
bronze crown
Is the combat axe > tactical axe?
brittle sierra
Is the combat axe > tactical axe?
On melee scum yeah
jovial heron
Is the combat axe > tactical axe?
Depends on playstyle. It swings a bit slower and doesn’t have innate crit chance or the same bonuses to crit like Tactical Axe. However as been mentioned it’s raw damage numbers are higher so it hits hard. With the attack speed bonuses and some of the cleave talents that hive scum has access to it becomes a real monster
brittle sierra
Does more damage in every scenario
Only benefit is the ability to stop mutants from charging
main wagon
Play on Malice
Yeah I love killing a whole 6 enemies the entire mission
It's shit like this
Ramp 2strong
brittle sierra
I honestly think the problem is that this game is just not designed around being an extraction shooter
flat mist
Depends on playstyle. It swings a bit slower and doesn’t have innate crit chance...
Wait why would u take cleave talents dont u just use bromentum
jovial heron
Wait why would u take cleave talents dont u just use bromentum
Ah you’re right I’ll get rid of this sub node cause it has cleave
flat mist
Ah you’re right I’ll get rid of this sub node cause it has cleave
Thats obviously not what i meant haha
jovial heron
Thats obviously not what i meant haha
Pretty smaht for an orc
flat mist
Pretty smaht for an orc
I dont waaaaggghhh i wahhhhhhh
jovial heron
manic wolf
Does more damage in every scenario
Only benefit is the ability to stop mutants...
More damage, sure, but you'll fall asleep whilst playing it, so in fact, its liable to get you killed
spice mural
They’re mocking us now.
main wagon
Lmao
brittle sierra
zenith pagoda
stray mulch
Holy fuck what is with all the baboons in expedition queue right now
i am learning that it's just a lot of new players
like new to DT
bronze crown
like new to DT
That are lvl 30 Havoc players that are stupider than bots? 😭
stray mulch
actually, yeah, some people are just queueing up in aurics and havocs right out of the gate when they get to lvl 30, some of them have some bad rolls on gear if you were to check
nothing wrong with ppl challenging themselves, but fr i feel like no one cares or even want to bother with people like that
personally i just wished they paid attention in game
main wagon
actually, yeah, some people are just queueing up in aurics and havocs right out ...
Yeah I had a vet earlier who dumped finesse on his chainsword
plucky nymph
@woeful hill which dclaw mark u use
woeful hill
7
plucky nymph
i spam light attaks, so much better than mk4 damn lol
mighty belfry
The best Dclaw mark 
Also good to push attack light for single target
If not heavies for the extra rending
Also has the best follow up light after parry I think?
bronze crown
I feel like changing things up. Are there any viable builds for Havoc with combat axe and dual autopistols?
flat mist
I feel like changing things up. Are there any viable builds for Havoc with comba...
Yeah
low harbor
I feel like changing things up. Are there any viable builds for Havoc with comba...
yea combat axe is straight up hive scum's best melee weapon
and dual autopistols are top tier for ranged hive scum builds
bronze crown
Yes, I would like to combined the two so my ADHD brain doesn't get bored.
Autopistols have over taken the Vraks V this patch?
cedar cairn
I've been having fun with the dual stubs since the buff
paper dragon
Yeah I had a vet earlier who dumped finesse on his chainsword <:KEKW_ogryn:10220...
I fuckin pray that wasn't me , it is a blessing? If so it wasn't
bronze glade
it's one of the chainsword main stats
paper dragon
Ah no then
mellow sparrow
do u guys take 2 stam curios or 1?
flat mist
do u guys take 2 stam curios or 1?
It doesn't matter
I take one most of the time, two if im playing like a flop
But on h40 that 17% toughness doesnt help me on an off day
main trellis
i spam light attaks, so much better than mk4 damn lol
Try mk1 if you like lights on mk7
noble fiber
What perks and blessing are best for the rashad combat axe? Never really dabbled in the axes fully
flat mist
What perks and blessing are best for the rashad combat axe? Never really dabbled...
Bromentum, headtaker, flak & unyielding/cara
Some say unarmoured for the second perk but it isnt needed
subtle phoenix
Trying to understand stimm lab. Should I try to max the node there or is keeping the stimm at a low cooldown is better?
noble fiber
It depends on your build, mainly if you’re running chemical dependency or not
keen bridge
Trying to understand stimm lab. Should I try to max the node there or is keeping...
Depends on what you want it for
I personally have it maxed out since with the talent that makes you regen your stim on kills usually my stim comes off cooldown at the same time my stim crate does
Sometimes even faster
coral mirage
Sometimes I swear the toxic bomb talent for the crate does not go off quick enough
Half the crusher pack is dead or moved forward before it explodes
flat mist
Sometimes I swear the toxic bomb talent for the crate does not go off quick enou...
Yes thats why its a mid talent
weary jay
I never realized how powerful the Rampage ability was combined with the adrenaline frenzy. Just out there tanking mobs of elites.
main wagon
I never realized how powerful the Rampage ability was combined with the adrenali...
Forge's Bellows literally un-dogging you is hilariously strong
Oh no my bloodshed has ended...woosh OR HAS IT?
dense hollow
now hive scum has two ways to un dog yourself
white rose
Vraks mk v
Shivs I
Desperado
And vultures
unreal stirrup
auric ah build
spare elk
Vraks mk v
Shivs I
Desperado
my wrist be aching fr with the shiv builds ngl
main trellis
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0b07c83-1d07-4dd8-8f49-e94a659c4fa3/sc...
Looks not updated
white rose
Looks not updated
?
white rose
You choose the 25% weakspot iirc
main trellis
You choose the 25% weakspot iirc
AURA
white rose
My guy
main trellis
It does not connect; look at it
main trellis
You connect after anarchist
No cause blessed stimm is not choosen; look… again
white rose
Yeah i assumed its bugged or some shit on websites end
main trellis
https://tenor.com/view/lol-lmao-funny-gif-7421173662832378014
Ikr? Blud be trolling or generally confused
Also; could be better (extra blitz is not used normally no more)
white rose
Im not trolling dude its not that deep
white rose
Yeah i assumed its bugged or some shit on websites end
As i said
main trellis
I noticed earlier that it was all whacked and just didn’t want to bother
To me it was like an itch i would LOVE to scrape to the bone
white rose
But ye the vraks with desperado is disgusting
main trellis
But ye the vraks with desperado is disgusting
One of the variations for despy ye
Pretty alright
white rose
I got my first havoc 40 clear on martyrdom zealot and then I go play any hive scum build its straight up feels like cheats dude
main trellis
I got my first havoc 40 clear on martyrdom zealot and then I go play any hive sc...
Thats marty zel tho; you’re walking on eggshells with slippers made of glass
white rose
Dude I was fucking locked in that whole run ngl
main trellis
Dude I was fucking locked in that whole run ngl
Never in doubt my friend
white rose
Nah ik im just saying it was a solid experience nonetheless
I had to keep an eye on psyker and use book when crushers came in and frontline the gunners at the same time while making sure im not tickled lol
I will definitely do more 40 though think that's where i belong most fun ive had on this game
main trellis
I will definitely do more 40 though think that's where i belong most fun ive had...
One of Us
white rose
🗿🤝
Ive got like what 100 hours
Got a long way to go mastering everything and such but from the feedback i got i did my part in the 40 correctly
Now we just perfect it and get more consistent with martyrdom
rocky socket
Greetings all! I only have a lvl 18 scum, stop after a few hours when it came out, but now i know there was a lot of buffs.
The shiv and needle pistol is the best build to go with?
verbal dew
you can run a lot of stuff
jovial heron
Depends on how you want to play
Needle gun is strong and shivs are strong
But so is knife, tac axe, combat axe
rocky socket
Im not sure! If you can throw me a few links i will try them out
verbal dew
devil's claw
jovial heron
Vraks auto gun, stub pistols
jovial heron
Im not sure! If you can throw me a few links i will try them out
I would just pick the best weapon you can find that you like and play that at least until level 30
mellow sparrow
do u guys have an adrenaline build for melee scum?
flat mist
I never realized how powerful the Rampage ability was combined with the adrenali...
Adrenaline frenzy doesnt give you any defense besides a pitiful amount of toughness regen tho?
reef spoke
Adrenaline frenzy doesnt give you any defense besides a pitiful amount of toughn...
it inflicts them with the debuff "death"
very good for crowd control
weary jay
Adrenaline frenzy doesnt give you any defense besides a pitiful amount of toughn...
The increased attack speed plus the toughness regen per attack really helps
flat mist
The increased attack speed plus the toughness regen per attack really helps
Not as much as the increased crit and the TDR from chem dep
weary jay
It all stacks, so, no worries 😄
flat mist
Chem dep and adrenaline frenzy cant stack
jovial heron
Chem dep and adrenaline frenzy cant stack
Can’t believe you just now hearing about the double keystone build Irosk
weary jay
The ultimate build
jovial heron
The ultimate build
Nah that’s the triple keystone
weary jay
I should've known
But ye, the extra attack speed stacking with all the other speed buffs just turns you into a briefly invincible blender and I appreciate that
Will It Blend: Darktide Edition
lost ravine
Nah that’s the triple keystone
triple keystone zealot would go hard
three epic melee keystones
double keystone psyker also epic
jovial heron
triple keystone zealot would go hard
blissful holly
🤣
calm aurora
Not as much as the increased crit and the TDR from chem dep
Chem dep is nice but it costs...
calm aurora
double keystone psyker also epic
Smite ep + charges lesgo
mellow sparrow
what mod makes that numeric cooldown for stims?
i see lots of ppl in videos having that on scum, rlly useful
mellow sparrow
oh lol
lilac crystal
theres two or three of them
lilac crystal
no stupid questions here 🥺
flat mist
Chem dep is nice but it costs...
Yeah im just being pedantic about adrenaline frenzy not making you tanky
You can pick up so many extra damage nodes if u dont path over to ChD
patent bone
jovial heron
You can pick up so many extra damage nodes if u dont path over to ChD
Hard to say no to crit and cooldown though
astral canyon
Yeah im just being pedantic about adrenaline frenzy not making you tanky
adrenaline does give you passive toughness regen tho
jovial heron
Yeah TDR is nice but I like the other things more and the permanent uptime
plucky nymph
Try mk1 if you like lights on mk7
i see it rotating between overhead and swipe back and forth but the dps was not matching that for carapace, i did digging and its slow.
in 10s i can hit 24x with the mk 7 light spam, i can only do 21 with mk1 light spam
hitting carapace (assume half the side swipes miss head, and most overheads hit head) non crit for both marks the mk1 is only like 10% faster time to kill and with crits its just 5% ish (i have tox on melee crit which brings the gap closer)
calm aurora
Rashad is top 3 best weapon on hvs. And you don't have to incest in crit. Which is very liberating. Arguably you can also do taxe with or without chem dep
plucky nymph
i think the unyield on the 1 is a much bigger gap xD
i lied, the gap on unyield is really close too like just a few percent. i think while it gets more overheads, theres such an awkward delay for some reason so when the mk 7 gets 8 overheads in the time the other gets 10, the mk 7 also gets 5 swipes over the other
then again u cant quickly overhead with the 1 bc u have to go through the entire l1 l2 l3 before its l2 l3 repeating
ill try both in like 5-10 h40 games each and see how it goes lol
jovial heron
Incesting on crit is so fun though
mighty belfry
Incesting on crit is so fun though
I beg your pardon?
jovial heron
I beg your pardon?
steep shale
mighty belfry
https://tenor.com/view/the-office-stanley-did-i-stutter-sarcasm-gif-3537210
I suppose you didnt.
jovial heron
I suppose you didnt.
If you look at the post above talking about Rashad I think all will become clear
mighty belfry
No I know what you were trying to say.
I just
I'm a little unsure of the spelling on one of those words
jovial heron
I'm a little unsure of the spelling on one of those words <:KEKW_ogryn:102207718...
I thought the slip was funny and am calling attention to it because….i am scum
jovial heron
Omfg I am gonna die of shame.
It was worth lethal proxy goblin thinking I am a degenerate
I mean they aren’t wrong
mighty belfry
I respect it.
manic wolf
ivory dragon
hello
the veterans were telling me this is actually the best ranged class
is this true
ivory dragon
psyker/scum are
what if I dont want to yse the poison gun
woeful hill
still applies
jovial heron
what if I dont want to yse the poison gun
Vraks autogun is pretty good too
ivory dragon
ok u guys got me excited to try it
anyone drop the ranged build
I dont want to melee unless all my teammates are already dead
cerulean crane
what blesing for shiv crit biukld?
neat delta
https://tenor.com/view/that%27s-incest-tom-hardy-gif-1007286063586941594
Did someone say incest
jovial heron
what blesing for shiv crit biukld?
riposte, precognition, uncanny strike are all good. Up to you
cerulean crane
okie. unyieldingh cara for perk?
jovial heron
okie. unyieldingh cara for perk?
Both are very good yeah I have seen unyielding replaced by flak if you’re okay losing some boss damage and bulwark/reaper damage. It can help with how common flak is in mixed hordes
loud herald
anyone got a cool adrenaline build lying around?
or whatever the middle capstone is called
glacial jay
I shouldn't get anymore penance points. I've hit the number
main trellis
i see it rotating between overhead and swipe back and forth but the dps was not ...
Its better that mk7 due to its simplicity & att spd (mk7 combo is soo fast you can mess up easily mid combo when you use rampage which forces you to reset)
It also allows you to save a talent point cause you don’t take rending on heavies for rampage on it cause all you do is spam lights
Lastly; blessing combo is important; skullcrusher & hammerblow (i kid you not try it; can interrupt overheads with enough hits)
Also; despite initially requiring to go through 2 lights for the main combo to kick in its only initial; after that its straight up blender while mk7 is always a 3 combination combo which as said above is soo fast with rampage you can easily mess it up under pressure thus worse while mk1 combo works in every situation
Even if mk1 is not your alley in the end… and you choose mk7; just use mk4; its better in every regard while using the same build
For singles you unironically use heavy - push att & repeat
mighty belfry
I really don't like mk1 at all if I'll be real.
main trellis
I really don't like mk1 at all if I'll be real.
Its a carpal tunnel weapon
Thats its only issue
mighty belfry
Mk7 kinda is too but, I just like the combo chains a lot better
Main thing I like so much about the mk7 is the stabby stab that just happens to actually do decent damage to armor
main trellis
Mk7 is perfect for anything but things that provide extra att spd; unitonically the only weapon that can get worse the faster it gets cause you can mess the combo soo hard you do dogshit single target dmg
mighty belfry
That's why I tend not to run it with stamina curios
main trellis
That's why I tend not to run it with stamina curios
I don’t even run stamina at all and its still too fast with rampage
mighty belfry
I don't know. I feel it's just fine.
I know what you're saying because the queuing for the attacks is weird with a really high attack speed
But just rampage. It just works for me.
main trellis
Its the single target combo only; otherwise its good
I would say its the worst only due to that gimmick
mighty belfry
Besides
I usually do push attacks for single target.
Cuz the stab is actually quite good.
main trellis
I know what you're saying because the queuing for the attacks is weird with a re...
Ye in one part of the chain is soo fast its… hard to manage even in a sterile environment
Its like a rabid trapper gf spotting a lone player and having an itchy finger on the trigger of her bf aquisition gun
Hard to control
mighty belfry
Nah I get you. The strikedown heavy single target chain can be really weird to use.
prime violet
Average havoc hivescum experience "hs you need to bring crate"
"no"
jovial heron
Look I get it on blight
mighty belfry
Average havoc hivescum experience "hs you need to bring crate"
"no"
I hate when people do that.
jovial heron
I hate blight
prime violet
I'll be fine, blessed stimms is in the way now. Idk about the rest of yall 
mighty belfry
Devil's claw.
loud herald
oh dclaw
loud herald
true
jovial heron
Team buffs
Same reason people demand bubble on psyker.
“For me”
jovial heron
prime violet
Bubble, shout, taunt, chorus, and crate being requested are all cope players
mighty belfry
I would rather just have the scum do damage
jovial heron
I would rather just have the scum do damage
As long as they do so
mighty belfry
Crate is a big opportunity cost for how much offensive potential the class has
jovial heron
Truth
main trellis
I would rather just have the scum do damage
Can still do cause scum
prime violet
Get rid of the other 2 highest dps increases for range and melee respectively so I can stand in goo/gas
main trellis
Crate is a big opportunity cost for how much offensive potential the class has
Just use explosive bolt pistol like i did with crate; its mental (was; haven’t checked on the build after tree change but got a tree ready)
prime violet
Dual bolts when fatsherk
jovial heron
Just use explosive bolt pistol like i did with crate; its mental (was; haven’t c...
Hah for the crate explosion? That’s pretty good
plucky nymph
Its better that mk7 due to its simplicity & att spd (mk7 combo is soo fast you c...
i just ran both in h40 same mods same team same aggression both kinda did the same, though it was 21st so mk7 kinda ran through that easily
both mauler seed, for half the mauler/crushers i used ragers to give me free parries on them so i dont think i really got to use much of the actual combos lol
both 2-2.5m dmg 400-500k boss each im gonna run like 10 h40s of each and see what feels best
main trellis
Hah for the crate explosion? That’s pretty good
It does not work on the radius; its more for the buffs & sample collector abuse; fastest regain you could get
mighty belfry
Just use explosive bolt pistol like i did with crate; its mental (was; haven’t c...
I do like this build. It is really strong but, it's more just having crate itself and losing out on what the other abilities offer
And the other abilities. Offer a lot.
jovial heron
It does not work on the radius; its more for the buffs & sample collector abuse;...
Ah that’s crazy that it works on literally every explosion except booby trap
main trellis
Ah that’s crazy that it works on literally every explosion except booby trap
Does not work for toxnades & infernos & smokes either
Cause it counts as surface hazard
jovial heron
Does not work for toxnades & infernos & smokes either
mighty belfry
I'm pretty sure it works on initial explosion for tox nade
But not the space left behind.
Which, is actually not bad with pocket toxin.
jovial heron
i just ran both in h40 same mods same team same aggression both kinda did the sa...
You mind describing the experience into carapace? Is it just parrying a bunch?
main trellis
I do like this build. It is really strong but, it's more just having crate itsel...
I just like to share
plucky nymph
it depends if im scared about ninja maulers behind and other trash but its not too shit tbh
I also have needle pistol incase i dont wanna deal wtih interacting with the video game, nedle pistol bypass video game mechanics
jovial heron
I just like to share
plucky nymph
its kinda fun when you feel more comfy putting parries inebtwen attack spam
jovial heron
Oh he’s getting stims and tox everywhere
mighty belfry
it depends if im scared about ninja maulers behind and other trash but its not t...
Shoot needles, hit crusher with hammerblow and skullcrusher d claw
Stagger
plucky nymph
hammerblow skull sounds so cursed, does it rly work
mighty belfry
hammerblow skull sounds so cursed, does it rly work
It's so good.
main trellis
Oh he’s getting stims and tox everywhere
I also explode on everyone with my bolt pistol
jovial heron
I also explode on everyone with my bolt pistol
mighty belfry
Do you wanna know how balanced doing over 1000 toxin damage per tick is?
main trellis
And grind on big boys with my chainaxe
mighty belfry
Not very balanced.
main trellis
main trellis
hammerblow skull sounds so cursed, does it rly work
Its very good; use it
jovial heron
Obviously the great weakness of carapace is a tiny needle not chain weapons
Duh
Astartes just use them for the flex factor
plucky nymph
i lose shred but lmao imma yolo it in this h40
main trellis
You mind describing the experience into carapace? Is it just parrying a bunch?
You spam them like any other enemy tbh
main trellis
i lose shred but lmao imma yolo it in this h40
Skull vs shred actually do the same dmg but sc works also for the team & its a massive debuff especially vs bosses
Thus better
plucky nymph
do i need to rely on som1 else cc for SC on bosses
mighty belfry
Not really in most cases tbh
main trellis
do i need to rely on som1 else cc for SC on bosses
Use forges on rampage
mighty belfry
Put needles in the boss too
Before you go and shout
30 toxin stacks with SC debuff
Is extremely dumb
plucky nymph
ngl i dont know if i need boss dmg help tho i can almost kill melee twin by myselfbefore the shield comes bak up
cspawn dies in 10s, pogryn 15s, bon few sec xD
glacial jay
Then you don't need boss dmg help.
jovial heron
He needs psychiatric help
mighty belfry
Mk1s still dumb strong
plucky nymph
ill try sc shred c ause i dont know wat else, rampage doesnt matter much i think
mighty belfry
However
glacial jay
Mk1 is for precision focus kills. Mk3 is horde. Depends on what you're doing.
mighty belfry
Mk6 knife
glacial jay
Mk1 is bae.
mighty belfry
I feel inches just a bit past them mow
main trellis
ill try sc shred c ause i dont know wat else, rampage doesnt matter much i think
Use Skullcrusher + Hammerblow; thats the combo
mighty belfry
the combat blade?
Ye
loud herald
dense hollow
sc+hammerblow just better on mk1
jovial heron
I feel inches just a bit past them mow
Probably however counterpoint….regenerating toxin knife
dense hollow
everything staggers instantly and you get the sc buff immediately
main trellis
sc+hammerblow just better on mk1
On any dclaw on hs
dense hollow
pretty much honestly
main trellis
I love that my cursed idea since early days of HS is being popular
Papa Willy knows good stuff
jovial heron
I love that my cursed idea since early days of HS is being popular
Papa Willy kn...
Look fentanyl is popular too….just saying
glacial jay
GOOD HEAVENS
main trellis
Plz Fatshark, give the HS a fenty lean victory stance
There should be some shared ones like that belt holding stance psyker & vet share…
dense hollow
ogryn carrying his team on his back stance
main trellis
ogryn carrying his team on his back stance
I want stances that hold a specific weapon be able to reflect the weapon you use; like ogryn has 3 rippergun stances; imagine how cool he would look with a stubber or kickback
mighty belfry
and i also tried +dodge distance
I would only ever recommend that for heavy sword
main trellis
and i also tried +dodge distance
Soap
mighty belfry
And that's it
main trellis
main trellis
Dodge linger is still the best
plucky nymph
i just like the distance cuz since i used it i had two 0 hit games in h40
basically immortal xd
main trellis
They should tune it down
mighty belfry
I love it on hsword
main trellis
It can enable toxic speedrunning strats
mighty belfry
I can definitely see that happening.
main trellis
I can definitely see that happening.
The moment i saw the distance of it i knew it will be bad due to that
Its like knife shroudfield zealot but worse
In some regards that is
mighty belfry
I don't even think it's usable on knife
It's so much distance that you actually feel floaty.
mighty belfry
It's definitely an unusual pick for scum
ivory dragon
It's definitely an unusual pick for scum
i dont get why its so slept on. its simply the highest damage autogun
the most damage to armor
but most people recommend vraks infantry, which just tickles armor
i feel like there must be something im missing
ivory dragon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1487890631828181256/7...
now test with mk7 or mk9
vigilant
bronze glade
now test with mk7 or mk9
No point, they have very little in common
livid raven
don't really see a point in using mk7 or mk9
pretty sure they all share the same carapace adm anyway
ivory dragon
don't really see a point in using mk7 or mk9
well. vigilant is totally different gun than infantry
higher weakpoint damage and armor pen
less spray, more aim
dusk dock
using the vigis on other classes than vet feels like a huge downgrade
im no expert on hscum, but it feels like most of their toolset doesnt benefit precision weapons like vigis much. theyre mostly there as an option to pick off specials at range
bronze glade
vig is more of a vet weapon
dense hollow
you have to do more effort with the mk7 vigilant for absolutely no gain on hive scum
the carapace adm is the exact same as it is on infantry autogun
ivory dragon
using the vigis on other classes than vet feels like a huge downgrade
why is that
unreal stirrup
vet have innate suppression immunity
bronze glade
HIV is more about spraying down enemies
dusk dock
vet with vigi can potentially oneshot pretty much anything, safe for crushers, maulers and bosses naturally. and even those can take massive damage
dense hollow
the vraks infantry does more dps anyways on hive scum
bronze glade
yeah and on desp hiv
you want a gun that can also horde celar
clear
vig isn't really good for that
icy scaffold
why is that
Vet is generally the sharpshooter, Hive Scum pukes bullets everywhere in every direction at all times
delicate topaz
what is the difference between the two needle pistols
bronze crown
what is the difference between the two needle pistols
One has more direct damage and the other can spread toxin in proximity.
delicate topaz
i wish the stats page told us this
livid raven
higher weakpoint damage and armor pen
not true btw, they share the same armor adm except for one of them and only one of them has higher finesse than the infantry autoguns (the others have less finesse)
also yeah they don't work on hivescum
dusk dock
not true btw, they share the same armor adm except for one of them and only one ...
which is honestly very weird. vigis should at least match IAG in finesse
livid raven
it's just really weird that what is basically your average assault rifle has one of the highest finesse
bronze glade
i wish the stats page told us this
plucky nymph
Update on the dclaw hammerblow skullcrsher
This is so dumb. That is all
Like dumb good y do ppl not do this in h40
bronze glade
crusher getting knocked on its ass by some twink sword
plucky nymph
Light attack mauler n dreg ragers and they cant play the video game
mighty belfry
because the prospect of a sword being used like a maul throws people off i guess
plucky nymph
Shock maul at home:
reef spoke
What are you without it
alt f4 once your stim runs out
bronze crown
I don't care if melee is the meta now. The Desperado Vraks V build is more fun for me. I swapped out the shivs for the Caxe just for the feel of it.
lost ravine
do what you enjoy 
north saddle
The vraks mk fires to fast for my dogshit aim. Half my bullets go everywhere except on target
ivory dragon
The vraks mk fires to fast for my dogshit aim. Half my bullets go everywhere exc...
thats my experience too
why would i want to spray and pray when i can just tap heads
north saddle
why would i want to spray and pray when i can just tap heads
If you want both use the Agrippa braced autogun. Thats what i do. Comes with it own setbacks and compromises but its alright
ivory dragon
I don't care if melee is the meta now. The Desperado Vraks V build is more fun f...
can you drop the build
ivory dragon
If you want both use the Agrippa braced autogun. Thats what i do. Comes with it...
braced eh??
north saddle
Yeah. My favorite.
livid raven
why would i want to spray and pray when i can just tap heads
because you could do that while firing fast instead
it kills small targets incredibly fast in any case, bigger targets you don't have aim problems against
dense hollow
doesnt vigilant graia autogun have lower finesse than vraks infantry anyway
using vigilant on scum is an interesting choice
north saddle
It does. But i usually only use vigilant autoguns on veteran anyway. Oh, and on one bubble psyker meme builds
livid raven
only the single shot vig has more finesse
ivory dragon
doesnt vigilant graia autogun have lower finesse than vraks infantry anyway
not according to the pinned guide
north saddle
Also, i dont care too much about finess damage. Imagine dodging gunfire when you can just eat it and return it
Yeah, i die alot why do you ask
ivory dragon
i just dont get the idea that spray = better
is there some scum talent that makes spraying better or something?
ivory dragon
which ones
north saddle
All jokes aside. I prefer the braced autogun Agrippa. It just has a little bit of everything
livid raven
Unload, first
which is a pretty good buff
Desperado wants you to kill most enemies as possible, at spraying gets you that
same with sample collector
in your face also means that you should just get in their face instead of aiming
it's not like vig has better dps anyway and you don't mind ammo, so i don't see why you wouldn't go with the higher dps
dense hollow
yeah vigilant's doesnt have any generic damage blessings
livid raven
oh blessings too btw, vraks has insane blessings for the playstyle
dense hollow
you get surgical, deadly accurate and headhunter
ivory dragon
it's not like vig has better dps anyway and you don't mind ammo, so i don't see ...
vig has higher dps in that its more precise
livid raven
lol
ivory dragon
vig blessings are insane too. crit chance and crit damage
dense hollow
the crit damage isn't really that big of a boost on vigilant
you get a lot of weakspot damage but not actually that much crit damage
meanwhile vraks just has generic damage blessings
livid raven
it also only applies on critical weak spots hits
dense hollow
strength and close range damage
ivory dragon
yea weakpoint damage
livid raven
it also doesn't melt bosses
north saddle
I dont like how handling the vigilant feels.
livid raven
it also doesn't synergize with the rest of the talents
ivory dragon
can someone post the pewpew scum build
dense hollow
you have dumdum, deathspitter and fire frenzy
all of which give vraks significantly more dps than vigilant on scum
assuming perfect accuracy vraks still wins
its not really close
dense hollow
you can aim in the general direction of enemies and outperform vigilant
livid raven
dense hollow
you can use vigilant for fun just like i use double barrel for fun
but its not really spectacular
livid raven
2 last points are up to whatever
or you could take extra crit chance aura if you are ok with paying a tax
or the melee damage aura instead
ivory dragon
i dont want to melee at all
livid raven
then vig is the worst weapon for that
dual uzi, shredder or vraks are much better
if sneedler didn't exist, i think maybe vig would have a place in melee builds
ivory dragon
dual uzi, shredder or vraks are much better
why though
livid raven
they can mow down hordes by themselves, have better mobility, better firerate and better dps
and they all synergize well with the HS' talents
they each do something better than the others, but that has been the desperado meta since release
tho there are also other fun picks like the bolt pistol
or the hiprevolver
bronze crown
can you drop the build
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0b07c83-1d07-4dd8-8f49-e94a659c4fa3/scums-op-gunslinger-meta-h-40 This with Hyperviolence on the reworked tree and a Rashad Mk 2 Combat Axe with Brutal Momentum, Headtaker Damage to Unyielding and Carapace Armor.
livid raven
taking ammo jack instead of the sweet spot is certainly a decision
torpid cloud
Terrible build based on the picture alone 
ivory dragon
you guys hipfiring the vraks?
maybe thats what im missing
you dont even attempt to aim
near mauve
Vraks is easy to use either way
Shoots fast and kills fast perfect weapon for scum's play style
If u wanna be a precise sharpshooter just play vet
ivory dragon
If u wanna be a precise sharpshooter just play vet
i was playing vet
but people kept saying that the best ranged class is 'achkually' scum
so here i am
near mauve
It's actually psyker
ivory dragon
the best gun class then
ivory dragon
idk i keep wanting to like vraks
but its so fucking inaccurate
it takes a whole ass spray just to kill anything whereas before i was just 1 tapping everything with the vig
spare elk
the best gun class then
ogryn for fun n dakka
rotund agate
it takes a whole ass spray just to kill anything whereas before i was just 1 tap...
I haven't tried vigilants myself, because for me autogun = rapid fire...
lavish bronze
but its so fucking inaccurate
aim
lavish bronze
I haven't tried vigilants myself, because for me autogun = rapid fire...
autogun is catch all term for self-cycling rifle in wh40k
rotund agate
autogun is catch all term for self-cycling rifle in wh40k
I know, but I am talking about ingame autogun options. I am basically so used to associating the autogun weapons to the IAGs that vigilants would be a difficult swap...
near mauve
but its so fucking inaccurate
Pull your mouse down and aim down sights
It's very accurate and kills everything super fast lol wdym a whole clip to kill anything
rotund agate
Pull your mouse down and aim down sights
It's very accurate and kills everything...
at longer ranges the damage becomes low enough that it can take a whole clip (and they might be doing it at longer ranges because of being used to vigilants, I guess...?)
near mauve
This game barely has any actually long range shootouts where ranged fall off matters tho
Desperado simply favors guns that mow mobs down at close/medium range and encouraging u to push forward so range isn't an issue
livid raven
Pull your mouse down and aim down sights
It's very accurate and kills everything...
this is not entirely true either tho
it very quickly loses any kind of accuracy with sustained fire, at some point the scope just lies
but if you really need to kill far targets (get closer idiot), you can do it still pretty reliably
i don't get the accuracy complaint, it's not like you have time to snipe targets from the other side of the map when you just spray on the fools in front of you
bronze crown
Terrible build based on the picture alone <:toerken:1370053145186533576>
What do have against the world's most handsome man Wiliam Dafoe? 😭
rotund agate
btw, I sometimes struggle with single target damage on my mk4 chaxe melee scum build, and I'm wondering if swapping either slaughterer or headtaker to thunderous would alleviate at least some of that...?
but I could just take the bonus weakspot damage talent instead, because saw attacks count the weakspot damage for each hit (unless I am mistaken)
livid raven
pretty sure chaxe has horrible finesse
ooof yeah it's dreadful
i wouldn't build toward that
rotund agate
i wouldn't build toward that
ok, I guess crit saw lights kinda blinded me with their ability to stunlock crushers...
spice mural
btw, I sometimes struggle with single target damage on my mk4 chaxe melee scum b...
I’d be hard pressed to ever recommend getting rid of head taker. It’s one of the best blessings in the game innit?
bronze crown
i wouldn't build toward that
On a range build I think it is fine for bonking crushers and monstrosities in the unlikely event I run out of amo and rockets.
livid raven
what
you mean because you wouldn't use the other two much right?
oh wait i misread
no, on a ranged build it's pretty good
if your weapons have bad finesse, it's dead weigth
rotund agate
hang on... I am not even running Channelled Devastation, and this is a chem dep build so I have crits for days...
bronze crown
you mean because you wouldn't use the other two much right?
I am still up in the air over whether I like the Rashad Mk 3 or the Atrox Mk Vll more as my back up for the Vraks V. I know shivs are still technically better but I just like the axes more.
rotund agate
might do a test with that node
spice mural
I am still up in the air over whether I like the Rashad Mk 3 or the Atrox Mk Vll...
Have you considered our lord and savior tactical axe mark 4?
That’s what I use on my crit melee build.
ivory dragon
bronze crown
Headtaker and Brutal Bomentum are a great combo imo.
spice mural
Headtaker and Brutal Bomentum are a great combo imo.
They are.
bronze crown
Have you considered our lord and savior tactical axe mark 4?
Yes my fingers just her tired with the melee builds these days. I am getting older.
bronze glade
i just wouldn't use the rashad because it's slow as sin
imagine not running a 9 stam SE rashad build
spice mural
I never even liked axes as a weapon but the tactical axes converted me.
bronze crown
I wish there were more weapon skins or better yet a transmog feature.
bronze crown
Oh?
spice mural
vapid jungle
How much is that
spice mural
900 Aquilas.
livid raven
lol
bronze crown
I hadn't thought about that HS can use other classes' skins for weapons.
spice mural
I only use the taxe on hive scum.
Not so much on other classes.
I’ve played around with the shivs but I always end up going back to it.
bronze crown
Same.
vapid jungle
Found the hidden irs agent
spice mural
I want to love the bonesaw and my stimm bomb build make use of it for more chem toxin but the melee build is more fun.
Just swing swing with my taxe.
trim wind
maiden pine
what is a good all round melee weapon for rampage?
shivs horde clear is bad, devils claw single target is bad
lavish bronze
what is a good all round melee weapon for rampage?
shivs horde clear is bad, d...
heavy sword
maiden pine
heavy sword
tried that doesn't feel smooth, after few swings feels sluggish
lavish bronze
understandable
spice mural
what is a good all round melee weapon for rampage?
shivs horde clear is bad, d...
Mark 4 tactical axe.
Also which shiv mark were you using? The stabby one or the slashy one?
bronze glade
dclaw single target with the meme hammerblow + sc build actually isn't too shabby
maiden pine
Mark 4 tactical axe.
im using rashad combat axe and it is goat
why didnt anyone tell me feels so good
spice mural
im using rashad combat axe and it is goat
Tactical axe has better crit damage and that’s where we shine.
bronze glade
why didnt anyone tell me feels so good
thought it was obvious it was the best hiv melee lol
maiden pine
ohh but rashad feels satisfying
spice mural
ohh but rashad feels satisfying
Yeah I’m talking straight numbers here. :x
bronze glade
rashad beats taxe in all aspects except for mobility
spice mural
Taxe has higher crit modifier?
rotund agate
Taxe has higher crit modifier?
but less base damage per swing
spice mural
Taxe has a much higher crit rate with the right build and higher crit multiplier. The lower base damage doesn’t matter.
bronze glade
test it yourself
same build
against a crusher
then in a horde clear test
rashad will win
assuming you didn't mess up the build
spice mural
Ahh the mark 4 has bonus ADM against carapace.
bronze glade
level 25 HIV Rashad vs auric crusher, no stimms
spice mural
And hyper violence with its stronger heavy means the lower damage on the lights doesn’t matter so much.
spice mural
Neat. You can kill a single crusher fast in a safe controlled environment. :0
bronze glade
Neat. You can kill a single crusher fast in a safe controlled environment. :0
iT's Just tHe psYK
well show me the taxe doing that
spice mural
Also I couldn’t record anything like that. I don’t have mods.
bronze glade
in a safe controlled environment