I only use top right for the crit and call it day
#hivescum-class
warm cypress
flat mist
wait does in your face work with toxin again
In your face works with dots if you have your ranged wep equipped. Unload does not.
mighty belfry
hmm
yes
as it turns out
making the heavy sword, ignore carapace as much as possible with crits, on the crit heavy class
is not a bad idea at all.
carapace hit mass meaning
lavish bronze
Caralace has hit stop
mighty belfry
Perfect Strike.
drifting heron
The beneficient Perfect Strike:
lavish bronze
Forgot heavy sword has ir
mighty belfry
Tried that and Chained Deathblow
lavish bronze
I just gone with ,,the default,,
mighty belfry
It feels really good actually.
lavish bronze
Deathblow hesdtaker
unreal stirrup
making the heavy sword, ignore carapace as much as possible with crits, on the c...
build?
mighty belfry
unreal stirrup
damn no head
mighty belfry
Gonna probably try it with Channeled Devastation
But surprisingly, Toxin Mania actually works here because of all the stuff you can cleave on a crit.
mighty belfry
damn no head
yeah that was my first thought, that it might be kinda cooked for that
unreal stirrup
forge bellow
mighty belfry
but, honestly, it feels pretty darn good
bronze glade
why perfect strike 🤔
mighty belfry
why perfect strike 🤔
perfect strike makes your crits completely ignore hit mass
meaning you can cleave carapace
bronze glade
you're prob using strikedowns against crushers tho
how many would you be able to realistically hit at once?
mighty belfry
As it turns out, a decent amount with special > heavy
wait
the mk on the build might be wrong
it is
it's mkVI
changed it
plus it's not just about cleaving the crushers
it's about the fact that it doesn't interrupt my mixed horde clear
and it has enough stagger to where it makes it pretty safe too
mighty belfry
it's honestly steering into a class contender for d claw to me for favs
it feels really good
limpid mantle
do you guys know if glory hunter works on the needle pistol (25% toughness on elite kill blessing)
I dont think it does since its generally the chem that kills the elite
young pond
man ranged hivescum is so wack now
zenith fern
Now?
It always has been wack since launch 
young pond
Now?
It always has been wack since launch <:megachingryn:1091154281773674576>
it was fun for me before pickpocket nerf
zenith fern
it was fun for me before pickpocket nerf
I am genuinely amazed how people are this crazy about a balance change that barely changed anything
young pond
i dont get how it "barely changed anything" going from infinite ammo and basically never even having to go melee to having to go out of your way to melee something which feels bad bc ur obv spec'd for range. not to mention doing all of that just for a teammate to take the kill and you dont get anything
now i will admit it doesnt feel the worst on the meta ranged weapons, but anything below the best ranged weapons got shafted hard
zenith fern
Blud the game spams elites and specials at every milisecond 
Swapping to melee is too much effort
drifting heron
You also probably have desperado
young pond
You also probably have desperado
right but in havoc theres down time bc cooldown increases
drifting heron
In havoc there are infinite elites
zenith fern
drifting heron
And its not like you're going out of your way to just grab Hypercrit and run knife
zenith fern
A single push attack from shivs or knife is enough to one tap elites and most specials
young pond
you get like 2 mags so you went from just perma being able to be ranged to having to swap to melee every other spray
you dont see how thats not barely any change?
drifting heron
Oh no!
zenith fern
Lmao
young pond
regardless of balance its a huge playstyle change imo
drifting heron
Having to use melee in the melee game!?
young pond
i thought that made ranged hivescum pretty unique though
zenith fern
You telling me you cant swap your melee from your currently active infinite lasting ranged ability for one second to refill your ammo and swap back to ranged and keep firing while the ability is still active?
young pond
might as well just play vet at that point swapping melee and range constantly
drifting heron
Vet can't do automatic sustain nearly as well
rustic lava
?
drifting heron
Survivalist isn't enough to keep an Iag going at full auto all the time
zenith fern
Scum really brought the most funny people into the game
rustic lava
You still get an infinite ammo special on scum
Like ranged scum should never have ammo issues
zenith fern
Unfortunately desperado users have no trigger discipline
rustic lava
You also can get the aura which causes ammo pick ups to give a little ammo to everyone
unreal stirrup
gunslinger is ass because pickpocket exist
verbal dew
it's decent in havoc
dense hollow
you have to take gunslinger or ruffian to get desperado anyway unless you're willing to burn an extra point so gunslinger probably helps the team a little more
unreal stirrup
you help the team by not having to pick up ammo
spice cloud
I dont see these issues at all testing the new pp i didnt even procc it
My ammo never got that low
People complaining just have no ammo management whatsoever
Or use DAP to clear hordes
With desperado u barely use any ammo anyway
dense hollow
yeah pretty much a nothing change
theres almost always an elite to kill anyway in aurics and havocs if you somehow run low with desperado
spice cloud
Yeah like just pull out ur melee inbetween desperado uses and ull never need pp anywwy
Desperado allready is infinite ammo
flat mist
Imagine having three ways to generate extra ammo and still complaining
spice cloud
Imagine having three ways to generate extra ammo and still complaining
Fr
Like i just dont get it
main wagon
Imagine having three ways to generate extra ammo and still complaining
It's takes mental fortitude to stop myself from receiving psychic damage any time I see someone say "desperado was nerfed into oblivion and I want my money back"
Getting my dozen shells back from meleeing a single dog
lost ravine
Vet can't do automatic sustain nearly as well
ah but it can spam las very well
even if recon is on the hungry side
ilas is effectively unlimited
dapper rock
hivescum or arbites
dapper rock
river skiff
Have both and enjoy scum way more
haughty mason
hivescum or arbites
Arbites is for team comps
HS can be played solo
you are welcome
zenith pagoda
Still waiting for hotfix...
haughty mason
Try carrying a game with Arby instead of HS, Arby is a tank and you simply will not have the damage to smack your way through creeps and elites. HS has the best horde clear and elite killing atm. DPS is the king of this game, sure. For non-havoc games, Arbites is the safer pick
spice cloud
Try carrying a game with Arby instead of HS, Arby is a tank and you simply will ...
Lmao
Arby is THE easy mode class
Its by far the easyest class to carry with
dPs iS tHe kINg oF tHis GaME
U cant do dmg if ur dead champ
haughty mason
dPs iS tHe kINg oF tHis GaME<:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
It literally is, why does every build try to squeeze as much damage out of anything possible if it isnt? The faster you kill something the less time they have to dmg you
haughty mason
U cant do dmg if ur dead champ<:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Just admit your fundementals are shit pal
haughty mason
Reflecting much?
spice cloud
On your pathetic statement yes
haughty mason
Sure buddy, sure. Tell that Arby is the best carry to any Havoc 15+ player and see their reaction.
haughty mason
15+ means 15 and up to 40. When shit gets hard.
spice cloud
15+ means 15 and up to 40. When shit gets hard.
Everything up to 25 is still auric lvl buddy
Its not harder then auric
molten shale
H25 is definitely harder than auric on average. I wouldn't say H40 is "just damnation."
upbeat pendant
Try carrying a game with Arby instead of HS, Arby is a tank and you simply will ...
arby absolutely has damage what are you on about, you can reach high levels of damage as arby if you build specifically for it
upbeat pendant
sad to say i got out dps by an arby, i never recovered
spice cloud
Pretty normal
Arby does insane dmg
But again
Dmg isnt everything thats just bs
If u cant stay alive dmg is worthless
upbeat pendant
yeah theres alot more other things to consider for a successful run
zenith pagoda
If your scum isn't doing at least double arby's damage, you ain't playing scum right
spice cloud
I dont need a scoreboard mod to tell me if i can play the game
jovial heron
upbeat pendant
If your scum isn't doing at least double arby's damage, you ain't playing scum r...
i aint doing 4 mil damage lil bro
muted pivot
Tbh I genuinely find scum easier than arby
guess it's because I was a UT2004 kid so it feels wrong not playing at the speed of fuck
unreal stirrup
Crusher with highest damage
crusher is good but i genuinely think there a problem if they're top dps lol
tranquil fjord
so what were the zealot and vet doing the whole time
fallen coyote
Zealot did 127k dmg with boltgun?
Dont you literally get that by magdumping 2 or 3 times
zenith pagoda
crusher is good but i genuinely think there a problem if they're top dps lol
Exactly
I use crusher on arby and there's no way it should be doing that much more than the other classes lol
Also, skullcrusher buffs the damage of everyone else
fallen coyote
Good to know those guys usually do even less 
upbeat pendant
i dont remember the specifics of the game it was a week ago, just using it as an example for the guy saying arby cant do damage, but it was my first time having an arby outdps me so it was a surprise
fallen coyote
Arby does good dmg unless youre setup as a stunbot
upbeat pendant
yeah iirc it was a lone wolf
lost ravine
yeah iirc it was a lone wolf
in the screenshot above?
fallen coyote
Run the powermace and shotty with stance and facetank everything while dealing about 600k - 800k dmg
upbeat pendant
huh i dont actually know, cause the screenshot the guy gave used lonewolf
fallen coyote
Thats while constantly moving forward too, so no stalling to pad dmg
unreal stirrup
casti used to be ass but then they gave it 20% strength for basically free
zenith pagoda
Still ass
unreal stirrup
it's still kinda bad for melee but its good for ranged
since the subnode got buffed
unreal stirrup
yesh
lost ravine
heresy
lost ravine
that sounds dumb
vapid jungle
It is dumb that's why I like it
main trellis
that sounds dumb
Its ridiculous tho; like… my Captain Blast build got giga buffed due to casti change
@graceful frigate @pulsar aspen @floral galleon can confirm from yesterdays havoc
On gloriana
lost ravine
lost ravine
Boltgun mk3 is dumber
is that the direct damage or the explodey one
main trellis
is that the direct damage or the explodey one
Explodey
lost ravine
what's better about it
main trellis
what's better about it
… i regret not recording yesterdays havoc; you would fking see
Today i will tho; just to show you
Cause its nuts
Oh i know
zenith pagoda
Havoc is so fucked rn, enemies are immediately at spawn, rotten armour modifiers, there are more 4 modifier games, rank reset to 30, frame gen broken, so many bugs
limber cradle
Rot armor is back?
lost ravine
Today i will tho; just to show you
you could also just tell me
main trellis
@graceful frigate gimme that tunnel moment & after the arrival at the ice region moment when we had an army shooting at us
lost ravine
what does it do, trauma cosplay? mass stagger?
main trellis
what does it do, trauma cosplay? mass stagger?
Mass fking killing with stagger yes
lost ravine
snooze
zenith pagoda
Rot armor is back?
Yes and it's still fucking stupid
astral canyon
I remember path saying its a really good mixed horde clear
limber cradle
Rot armor is eternal lmfao
My bad for not having the free time to climb rot armorless FS
zenith pagoda
My mission is rot, blight, tox gas
main trellis
My mission is rot, blight, tox gas
Map?
zenith pagoda
Uhhh can't remember, I think the snow one
main trellis
Uhhh can't remember, I think the snow one
Oh shi; gloriana
They fked up the spawns hard on it
Its ridiculous
zenith pagoda
Yeah the one that is buggrd spawns a tonne of enemies right at the start
floral galleon
Gloriana with the new spawns is actually really fun
zenith pagoda
Like how do you even fuck that up if they didn't touch the map in the update
main trellis
Gloriana with the new spawns is actually really fun
Albeit a lil anticlinactic cause you kill everyone & swagger just stands there
zenith pagoda
lost ravine
main trellis
I remember path saying its a really good mixed horde clear
It is; its better than the shotty by a long shot
Literally
astral canyon
It is; its better than the shotty by a long shot
Which one
lost ravine
ok and
jovial heron
Have you tried pressing LMB?
main trellis
Have you tried pressing LMB?
Thats not me who plays btw; it was @graceful frigate
I’m Capt Latrine
graceful frigate
Thats not me who plays btw; it was <@848913354268475452>
I’m Capt Latrine
I'm the idiot standing there spamming LMB while he clears the whole tunnel in seconds
main trellis
- there were more situations like that in that mission
main trellis
alas i did not see the tunnel, merely the killfeed
Yeah… sadly… 
Next time i’ll record my PoV just for you bby 
main trellis
i humbly request that you do not call me that
Sure thing boi
lost ravine
that's a mild improvement, it's at least funny rather than tiresome
main trellis
that's a mild improvement, it's at least funny rather than tiresome
Hmmm… bby is tiresome? How so? 🤔
main trellis
MAN
No wonder dating is dead in this generation; can’t even jokingly catcall
(RL is worse)
lost ravine
yeah i do not envy anyone trying to navigate that minefield
fallen coyote
Simply goon to hadron
main trellis
yeah i do not envy anyone trying to navigate that minefield
I like explosions AND exploding… but even I do not partake in it… yet
Maybe i get lucky…
main trellis
you'll probably need it
By the stuff i experienced… yeah its getting more grim over time ngl
Not surprised but very grim
lost ravine
just need to find someone with the same level of autism
main trellis
just need to find someone with the same level of autism
Same; and definitelly not a nagging one
pulsar aspen
@main trellis And i am just being there, not playing the game..
pulsar aspen
main trellis
<@341264830273028099> And i am just being there, not playing the game.. <:KEKW_o...
Exacly; you use book; a worse arbi blitz
main trellis
perhaps try your luck with evelyn
you both seem to enjoy clicking heretics
I like stern ppl
manic wolf
I prefer females tho <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
A nice girl can brighten a...
Very subtle of you, Willy
main trellis
Very subtle of you, Willy <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
I’m as blunt as a rock can be
And everyone dumps me like one
near mauve
spice cloud
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1478272295238766773/c...
Bruuuh
Im still laughing at this stupid gif
brittle sierra
bronze crown
surreal valley
hi. stim supply affect last standing or not?
astral canyon
last standing?
surreal valley
sry long standing
astral canyon
oh
no neither stimm nodes do anything for crate
long lasting stimm doesnt affect duration and crate already cures corruption so blessed does nothing
surreal valley
thx
astral canyon
which really sucks since youre forced to pick one
unreal stirrup
what was the node that lead to. 3 ult before again
last light
does the gunslinger improved aura work off total ammo or percentage do does it not really matter?
unrelated: it works off expedtion ammo refill so feel free to buy for the team if you're feeling generous, scrappers
manic wolf
unrelated: it works off expedtion ammo refill so feel free to buy for the team i...
It's absurdly pointless in Expeditions
Like actually a dead node
astral canyon
what was the node that lead to. 3 ult before again
It was a +25 toughness node
They shouldve just moved sample collector there imo
last light
Thanks sah, happy to be smart sah
woeful hill
Whenever in need just check out Kuli's guide on steam
Most accurate and fast to find
astral canyon
Instead of moving it above the auras
unreal stirrup
1 more point and scum is even more broken
tbh the stim is effectively tax but meh
astral canyon
It sucks a lot for crate
mighty belfry
Gloriana with the new spawns is actually really fun
Actually won a Gloriana run yesterday. We got two BoNs spawned before the drop lol
Thankfully it was nothing knife scum couldn't handle
I really can't tell if I prefer mk3 or mk6 knife honestly
Both are good for different reasons
mighty belfry
The single target dps snowballs immensely with hyperviolence
Have you ever done thousands of damage on that flimsy little punch?
manic wolf
It's funny as fuck dropping a Bulwark with that
mighty belfry
I took it to rot and special + light chain tears rot apart
Its crazy how much dps it does
Also means I don't have to push attack for optimal dps
manic wolf
Knife Scum also goes crazy hard on Expies
Take Alley Rat with it and super dodge your way through all the bullshit
stray mulch
skating through tertium with alley rat
manic wolf
Just uhh, be careful around ledges
reef spoke
yeah I actually keep a rashad build because I keep getting ledged or dodge into a barrel boom lol
zenith pagoda
It's funny as fuck dropping a Bulwark with that <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163...
Yeah I don't think I should be able to 1 tap bullwarks with my light attack lol
zenith pagoda
Fatshark STILL hasn't released a hotfix
zenith pagoda
Nothing is playable for me while framegen is broken
vapid jungle
I haven't touched it since day 1
Total shitshow couldn't complete a single mission without 2014ing
stray mulch
Crashes & mission aborts are crazy
base game is laggy af too
the mission director is putting things in places theyve never been too
like right in front of you in the start of almost all the missions
zenith fern
Nothing is playable for me while framegen is broken
not sure about framegen because for me has been very smooth to me
zenith fern
like right in front of you in the start of almost all the missions
it is funny though, makes up for unexpecting stuff
verbal dew
I've only played expeditions and a few havoc games since the update, I haven't noticed many 2014s
stray mulch
i like it, but not with all the lag
zenith fern
I've only played expeditions and a few havoc games since the update, I haven't n...
me neither
We are the uncorrupabtle ones
stray mulch
it is funny though, makes up for unexpecting stuff
if they fix the lag im okay with keeping the new enemy spawns XD
verbal dew
most of my crashes has been from mods but that's mostly fixed now
stray mulch
also idk if the director is just spawning more elites and specials but my lobbies have been filled with just me soloing a room of these enemy types
ppl really cant keep up with the amount that's getting pumped out
zenith fern
in missions or expeditions?
zenith fern
he just loves you a lot
stray mulch
the last few aurics it was me soloing a room of like 30 gunners
and then some bullwarks to back them up
when there are snipers i gotta beg ppl to help with them too, but they are dying left and right to elites andd specials
the lag also doesn't help for shite
zenith fern
Might be high intensity and shock troop modifiers spicing it up
stray mulch
i have never seen 30 gunners on one screen before
i dont even think i have in havoc
it was a wall of red lasers
reef spoke
people ask for solo matches -> Fatshark adds "solo" matches -> people complain
truly Fatshark cannot win UwU
stray mulch
people ask for solo matches -> Fatshark adds "solo" matches -> people complain
i have not asked for that a single day in my life
i need my meat shields
hushed oracle
Is the purple poison any good
stray mulch
Is the purple poison any good
only for actual toxin use imo
zenith fern
people ask for solo matches -> Fatshark adds "solo" matches -> people complain
true
no matter what, darktide players will be whinging
hushed oracle
only for actual toxin use imo
Like what?
zenith fern
No matter if the content is free and good
zenith fern
Is the purple poison any good
from bone saw?
stray mulch
easier to test if i had mods
stray mulch
it's bad for anything but toxin and i will stand by that XD
max toxin on a boss, reapply brittle and loop, but aside form that i would not tell anyone to use it
hushed oracle
from bone saw?
Yes!
stray mulch
Like what?
needle pistol
unreal stirrup
@mighty belfry man hsword doesnt have enough cleave to hit more than 1 cara
vapid jungle
Even with cleave from rampage and the +50% node
low harbor
I've only played expeditions and a few havoc games since the update, I haven't n...
Expeditions crash / abort so much it’s actually crazy
mighty belfry
Havocs aborting and dcing a bunch too
zenith pagoda
<@109528432425062400> man hsword doesnt have enough cleave to hit more than 1 ca...
Perfect strike
If only it was on bonesaw, then it would be an A tier weapon
sleek grove
Anybody got a decent Havoc stimm supply build?
stray mulch
Anybody got a decent Havoc stimm supply build?
breaths heavily
mighty belfry
<@109528432425062400> man hsword doesnt have enough cleave to hit more than 1 ca...
Are you running perfect strike? Because with all the cleave beefing, it should be cleaving through at least more than one
I know it was for me
Plus again, it's not the fact that it can cleave through multiple carapace that's the real benefit. It's that carapace no longer is a full interruption of your mixed horde clear.
stray mulch
Plus again, it's not the fact that it can cleave through multiple carapace that'...
doesnt it still completely nuke your damage through cleave though?
each hit still eats a percentage of damage
so even in mixxed hordes you'd be doing less and hitting less
mighty belfry
Thats why you run coated.
Anything you cleave also takes a stack of toxin
That adds up really fast with how many things you can hit in one swing
stray mulch
hmm i guess it depends on how fast your are swinging
1 stack of toxin is some low ass damage
mighty belfry
But even then, rampage beefing with stimms and all of the damage boosts with this class, still lets you do decent damage even through cleave distribution losses
stray mulch
im just asking, gives me ideas to check on
mighty belfry
Main thing I noticed is that while carapace won't die that fast ofc
The fact that I can actually, not have them stop my cleave every single time
While there's stuff around them
Is pretty useful
keen bridge
Does anyone know if the Bonesaw applies extra tox on weakspot hits like the needle pistol does?
leaden pendant
yea it does
stray mulch
Does anyone know if the Bonesaw applies extra tox on weakspot hits like the need...
+1
mighty belfry
I don't think it's on weakspots
leaden pendant
coated weapon went hard on devils claw when i tried it
keen bridge
No bonus from crits?
mighty belfry
It is on crit
keen bridge
It *is* on crit
Well, the needle pistol gets bonus from crit and from weak point so I figured it would be the same on the saw
leaden pendant
man the double barelled shotgun still feels like dogwater
keen bridge
Hmmm would y'all say coated weaponry is worth it if you're already running Bonesaw? I'm not sure if the occasional +1 tox stack is really worth it for a talent point
random shuttle
Seems someone on Reddit is watching videos of a different game
stray mulch
what, the boom bringer hits hard AF and in a bigger area no?
random shuttle
yes XD easily
stray mulch
Hmmm would y'all say coated weaponry is worth it if you're already running Bones...
no, i dont generally think it's worth
the other path down is +1 blitz though
depending on what you are using it has more or less value (for both)
manic wolf
The boombringer is like 30 Kraks stapled to a shredder
keen bridge
no, i dont generally think it's worth
Yea same, especially since I'm using needle pistol so if I really need the stacks I can just fire like 3 shots off
stray mulch
Yea same, especially since I'm using needle pistol so if I really need the stack...
^
i think max stacks is 5
i can just go check...
keen bridge
Huh? From what I heard it's 30
keen bridge
Like, max shots needed to cap out tox?
keen bridge
Could do it in 4 with weak spot hits
Since it's uhh +1 or +2 stacks depending on which MK
leaden pendant
wait the needle pistol has multiple marks?
stray mulch
one has basically a concussive explosion on kill with the secondary fire
the other spreads toxin
i like the toxin spread
leaden pendant
ooo yea the 2nd one
im trying to make the double barreled work because ammo jack kind of makes it novel
stray mulch
second one allows easy horde clear, i like it
leaden pendant
yea i wasnt a fan of the explosive secondary so thats awesome
keen bridge
one has basically a concussive explosion on kill with the secondary fire
The MK4 also gets more bonus stacks from crits and weakspots too
leaden pendant
sick
keen bridge
I actually swapped to it since I don't really use the alt fire much anyways
leaden pendant
the idea of a poison that makes you explode is hilarious and very 40k
stray mulch
so the average you;d want to shoot stays the same unless you have a mod that helps you teack when you crit
keen bridge
I like the toxin one but once you hit damnation it takes so long for it kill even poxwalkers that usually the target you infected will be away from the crowd before they detonate
stray mulch
that and in higher levels of havoc i dont think the amount of shots change much
stray mulch
I like the toxin one but once you hit damnation it takes so long for it kill eve...
?!
unreal stirrup
yeah except you get 70% consistent crit chance on hsword
keen bridge
And then the infection after death is 1 stack
unreal stirrup
what were we talking about again
keen bridge
Right now it's the needle pistol alt fire
I just don't find the toxin spread one very useful because it takes so long to kill a full health enemy, and it cuts your bonus stacks from crits and weak points in half compared to the other mark
stray mulch
And then the infection after death is 1 stack
yeah in hordes that nukes
stray mulch
if you have the strength bonus for the cleave on the shot each shot is 2 walkers
unreal stirrup
soften enemy up for hypercrit proc or hv overkill damage
stray mulch
alt on the needle pistol is only for hordes
each shot is also 2 guarenteed kills for non elites and specials
a full clip can kill a horde and any elite and specials in them, aside form ogryns
keen bridge
Yeah and instead of shooting an enemy, and then having to go over to help kill that enemy to actually have it explode I can just fire a few shots spread across the horde and get all of them infected
stray mulch
might be because im running strength tho
stray mulch
Yeah and instead of shooting an enemy, and then having to go over to help kill t...
you shouldnt have to go to an enemy for the explosion to go off
that means you aren't scaling your toxin damage
if you aren't then yeah i can see why its not to your fancy
the other mark is better for you maybe
keen bridge
Last time I used the pistol with the infection one it took the entire duration to kill a poxwalker and by then it was nowhere near the other enemies
So it didn't really end up infecting anything else
stray mulch
sec i have a clip i can get at just +12% strength
keen bridge
Also wdym by scaling toxin damage? Isn't the only thing it gets boosted from strength
stray mulch
Also wdym by scaling toxin damage? Isn't the only thing it gets boosted from str...
close damage and some ranged damageb talents increase it as well
so does base damage
keen bridge
Oh yeah I forgot about those
Hmm I'll have to try it again
I always forget to use my pistol for hordes and always just end up Bonesawing them
keen bridge
Just got a match of 3 hivescum and one arbitrator lmfao
Poor arbitrator...
Probably popping a blood vessel
stray mulch
Oh yeah I forgot about those
yeah it shouldnt be trouble to kill a poxwalker
not even in havoc
strength gives you cleave and damage. Then [In Your Face], [Quick and Deadly], [Punching above One's Weight], [Virulent Strain], and [Toxin Mania] all scale the DoT
i haven't checked Vulture's Mark but then again i feel like you'd be trolling to use the Needle Gun with that keystone
maybe
Oh also Run n' Gun affects the DoT as well
stray mulch
AGAIN !!! Brunt's Armory > Melk
low harbor
AGAIN !!! Brunt's Armory > Melk
This is fake tho
Needs 410+ rating to be actual +3 stamina
low harbor
Too bad, both are fakes
stray mulch
awww, shucks
only thing i think is fake are 420s and 430s, never got one
so they don't exist
low harbor
only thing i think is fake are 420s and 430s, never got one
I only use those lol
muted pivot
yeah in hordes that nukes
Our new Perilous Combustion knock-off is pretty crazy there too tbh
stray mulch
yeah it very much reminds me of Soul Flame and how you spread it with staves others than the purgation iteration. All bottled up into one weapon.
stray mulch
oh look HE made a video on it...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vk3Nvm5m48
bronze glade
main wagon
Mr Turn the Lights On
stray mulch
he just isnt using in your face or pocket toxin with blackouts
main wagon
Wonder if he uses his reshade for night time expeditions
stray mulch
Coated Weaponry and Chem Enhanced are a waste imo when i was making my build. But the random crits do do damage
main wagon
Fun Fact: Night expeditions count as “Lights Out” btw
Had one of the penances pop and went “oh hey that’s cool”
low harbor
the only playable lights out
main wagon
Lights out on the surface is so much better than lights out in the hive
I guess it makes sense but like
mighty belfry
1 stack of toxin is some low ass damage
Oh I forgot to mention
main wagon
Pls let us put flashlight on everything without weapon customization mod
mighty belfry
Ye it's not great
mighty belfry
But when an elite dies in your cleave, splash damage activates, and spreads toxins to everything around
main wagon
Hegh
stray mulch
Ye it's not great
i only said it from a min maxxing standpoint. I don't want to dissuade those that like it
mighty belfry
Which adds to all stacks they already got
main wagon
Desperado gives outlines as well
low harbor
desperado isn't gonna give u outline on the tox bomber hidden in the dark 30+m away
lol
main wagon
Desperado also doesn’t show you when the floor runs out
mighty belfry
So having both together on something that ignores hit mass is actually quite nice
stray mulch
all melee and ranged specials and elites die to a blackout (ranged) or 1-2 needle pistol shots (melee) [assuming you are using strength stim]
mighty belfry
all melee and ranged specials and elites die to a blackout (ranged) or 1-2 needl...
I play havoc. Waiting for everything to die from a single blackout
main wagon
I like the 1 barrel + throwing shiv combo to quickly kill certain elites
stray mulch
I play havoc. Waiting for everything to die from a single blackout
i edited
i play havoc too lmao (the only thing blackout's will kill are ranged enemies, and i think it's only up to like h30)
not a single thing i have been talking about matters outside of it, because you can use anything to great effect out of the game mode
mighty belfry
Other than a shock maul in a monstrosity maelstrom
main wagon
Peacocking for havoc teams is the only thing that keeps me mostly playing QP
It’s so silly
stray mulch
There is no saving that thing against bosses
i save black outs for when its time to run
then i die to lag like 2 seconds after
i do think chem grenades are worth more the higher up you go though, lucky thing is that its easy to swap them in
for whatever it's worth decimator = good for toxin as long as you are applying the most stacks with the gun maybe
mighty belfry
Chem nades to me got a lowkey buff with splash damage
I should try it on the heavy sword build since
Chem nades also decrease hit mass further in the radius
...
stray mulch
mighty belfry
Wait, that might actually be a really good setup for rotten armor actually
stray mulch
Chem nades to me got a lowkey buff with splash damage
just for a bit more wave clear?
i mean i would run both regardless
splash damage is just good
should be nice killing elites and having the rest of the horde just drop
it's funny that [it looked like] decimator and run n' gun stack
mighty belfry
just for a bit more wave clear?
It lets the stacks go beyond the base 6 that nades inflict
stray mulch
i meant that in a good way
lmao
i use the chem nades every now and then
and i thought it was 16 stacks per chem nade
unless you aren;t using pocket toxin?
oh no its just 10 on explosion and then they sit at 6 i guess
never noticed that
maybe my math is weird but chem nads take a hot minute to deal with crushers
zenith pagoda
~~for whatever it's worth decimator = good for toxin as long as you are applying...
I don't think decimator affects DoT
stray mulch
I don't think decimator affects DoT
i checked it
this is the bonesaw i used
you can see the damage go up
dips goes from 365 1 stack falling off [from swapping], then goes up to 380
actually, you might be right
could just be toxin mania -- so back to the lab
bronze glade
pretty sure deci doesn't affect dot yeah
stray mulch
yeah i just need to see for myself how wrong i am [i think i realized the moment i looked at the numbers]
big sadge
i think i might just settle on shred + shock and awe for the bonesaw then
at least i would be able to keep max stacks on a monster while applying brittle
stray mulch
pretty sure deci doesn't affect dot yeah
possible that you know the base crit of the bonesaw?
or is it just whatever the crit bonus gives?
bronze glade
not sure but i run shred and shock and awe too
low harbor
I don't think decimator affects DoT
it doesn't
stray mulch
it doesn't
i think i was being hopeful when i saw the numbers jump
sonic pumice
question: when does stacking crit chance becomes too much? if its even a thing for the class
mighty belfry
question: when does stacking crit chance becomes too much? if its even a thing f...
There's never really a point where there's too much stacking
But, there is a point where it's a matter of if you want more crit chance, or just more raw damage for your crits to multiply to be much punchier
Also depends on how important critting actually is for your build
Like for the new heavy sword build I'm trying. Makes sense to stack it cuz the more you crit, the better your horde clear is since perfect strike procs on crits to ignore hit mass
But for shivs, and if you wanna run uncanny. You have a choice
stray mulch
question: when does stacking crit chance becomes too much? if its even a thing f...
there isnt a point in where there is too much. But if you are focused on dps and the numbers behind it, that follows the same format as every other game
past 50% damage becomes more important
mighty belfry
You want more crits for better use of coated weaponry and/or hypercrit? Go riposte.
You wanna make your crits as punchy as possible? Go precog.
stray mulch
if you can get flat damage get more crit. Crit specifically has the benefit of giving you toxin stacks
generally speaking you want to get as much value out of finesse, but some people forget that finesse is affected by your damage itself
astral canyon
You want more crits for better use of coated weaponry and/or hypercrit? Go ripos...
Go both
sonic pumice
Also depends on how important critting actually is for your build
what if you want to make franenstims (a frontline tank made of injecting all the drugs in atoma) still not sure what melee i want but with chem tox being applied with crits i thing its important but i want to have decent impact
mighty belfry
Go both<:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
Yes. This is the optimal choice for shivs and no one will convince me otherwise
astral canyon
So true bestie
stray mulch
Yes. This is the optimal choice for shivs and no one will convince me otherwise ...
if they manage to, we will shoot them into the warp
flat mist
past 50% damage becomes more important
Its really not that simple.
stray mulch
Its really not that simple.
i said more important. Not a simple answer in itself
flat mist
Fair
flat mist
We need an Elitist Jerks for Darktide haha
stray mulch
trust me when i say 50% crit > DAMAGE > OVER 50% crit
flat mist
They had incredible resources for damage optimization
stray mulch
obviously how easy that is to achieve matters
mighty belfry
Its really not that simple.
Yeah I was mentioning that earlier
Sometimes you wanna crit more for a specific reason
sonic pumice
Yes. This is the optimal choice for shivs and no one will convince me otherwise ...
considering that the rending from the shivs is nerfed and your heavies already do work on crushers i feel that makes a fair bit of sense
stray mulch
iirc someone explained crit chains too and the optimal amount of crit you wanted was 65% for 1 crit every 2 swings
mighty belfry
considering that the rending from the shivs is nerfed and your heavies already d...
Given hyperviolence exists to snowball the fuck out of your dps the second you proc both blessings, uncanny really isn't that important.
stray mulch
something like that
i have 0 clue how crit chains work in this game though, not after they made the change
realistically if I can hit 75% crit I'm not investing more.
mighty belfry
i have 0 clue how crit chains work in this game though, not after they made the ...
Crit chains AFAIK don't exist on melee weapons
It's fully auto weapons like recon or inf auto that do have them
stray mulch
so if melee weapons only work off of regular chance i would aim for 50% baseline, some arbitrary amount of damage and/or attack speed, then more crit
that's just me
sonic pumice
i was under the impression that 50% is ideal to sustain regular attacks to make them usually crit a lot while focusing on other things to beef the base hits so the crits go sky high
flat mist
Given hyperviolence exists to snowball the fuck out of your dps the second you p...
I was playing with a tauntgryn, bubble trauma and based frontliner arbi the other day and i couldn't get dodge procs to save my life lmao
Alt f4'd at the end of mid event to change my blessings out
stray mulch
biggest reason to take nimble
if you cant get it with that idk what to say
not sure if you can sit infront of an attack meant for someone else to try procing
flat mist
The point is everything was staggered/taunted
stray mulch
XD
rip
actually that's a variable to remember
if you cant dodge because there is nothing to dodge you might not have the dps for the run
extra damage and attack speed don't care about that
flat mist
Its not a huge issue because if you're in danger of failing due to low dps then there will be enemies to dodge
Thats why precog is viable, because despite the appalling uptime it's active when it matters
flat mist
I was just irritated that run bc i had four on dodge buffs lol
stray mulch
feels like i always see it activated
ran into my first hive scum with the Mister E build
lmao
sonic pumice
is maxed out chems worth using?
stray mulch
translates to +5% crit and damage reduction
flat mist
ran into my first hive scum with the Mister E build
I put on his videos in the background when im doomscrolling so i can send him emails telling him what he gets wrong
stray mulch
for 1 talent point i don't think its bad
flat mist
That would be bad, actually
stray mulch
I put on his videos in the background when im doomscrolling so i can send him e...
lmao
flat mist
But it gives you CDR too
stray mulch
his build is pretty similar to mine
flat mist
The issue is that more cooldown regenerarion nets diminishing returns
stray mulch
at all
astral canyon
is maxed out chems worth using?
Not really imo
Theres better stuff you could be getting with that point
stray mulch
i would say if you are going that key stone it kinda is worth
if you are willing to take an aura for 5% crit
there is no reason why you should think it's bad
astral canyon
I take the aura because im forced to pick one
mighty belfry
Because the subnode makes using stimms really awkward
stray mulch
not that one at least
mighty belfry
For a bonus that's not really that significant
There's a very clear downside to it
stray mulch
Because the subnode makes using stimms really awkward
how so?
i dont think even when im not on booby trap that ive ever had an issue staying at 4 stacks
flat mist
if you are willing to take an aura for 5% crit
Not the same thing. Thats team wide and its a forced decision
astral canyon
If it was 5 stacks instead of 4 it would maybe be worth
stray mulch
Not the same thing. Thats team wide and its a forced decision
nah, you can take 10% melee
it aint forced
they connect to the same talent
flat mist
is maxed out chems worth using?
You can see here you get less return from the 4th stack of chem dep
Need to update this with numbers for long lasting stimms
sonic pumice
have anyone else tried to make a tank out of HScum?
mighty belfry
That actually matters if you wanna use a beefy stimm
stray mulch
Not the same thing. Thats team wide and its a forced decision
im almost certain that if you were to look at the dps increase of 10% melee vs 5% crit teamwide one is higher
and its not the crit
the crit helps with coating
which is nice
flat mist
im almost certain that if you were to look at the dps increase of 10% melee vs 5...
Except that finesse exists, additive damage calculations exist oh and ranged weapons exist lol
stray mulch
again im not saying it's an amazing talent point, but the way some of yall look at it I can't really agree with
stray mulch
Except that finesse exists, additive damage calculations exist oh and ranged wea...
but you aren't really considering the team when yall take the aura
most if at all you are doing it for a selfish reason
lmao
it just HAPPENS to help others
flat mist
5% crit is better for any high finesse weapon even on a personal level
stray mulch
if you cared for the team most ppl are going to be relying on melee no?
flat mist
Plus on melee scum you're going to have anywhere from 50-100% +damage anyway, so that 10% is actually 7.5-5%
manic wolf
Is it yet another crit debate?
stray mulch
finesse affects weakpoint damage and crit damage, 5% crit allows you to make use of it SLIGHTLY more, 10% Melee damage ALWAYS benefits it
not even something that can be argued
stray mulch
Plus on melee scum you're going to have anywhere from 50-100% +damage anyway, so...
okay fair point
BUT
stray mulch
sure, but i assumed we were talking in general given where the convo shifted
flat mist
Combat axe take damage
stray mulch
1 sec
what is your crit chance with shivs
base and after dodge if you know
base is 21.5% on lights i think
some weird ass number
flat mist
base and after dodge if you know
I average about 70% across a game with chem dep, riposte and float
Oh shivs give 12.5% bonus
stray mulch
the heavy attack on shivs have less crit
flat mist
No they dont
stray mulch
at least that was my assumption
because the damn skill updates
any time i heavy it updates
makes me think it does
so if base for shivs is 12.5
that plus base is 22.5
+25% from the tree
47.5%
if you get +40% from a dodge
you damn well and dont need that 5%
flat mist
any time i heavy it updates
Thats just crit mod weirdness, ignore it
flat mist
you damn well and dont need that 5%
You have 25% damage from a perk on cerain targets, 15% from that new crit based talent, 15% from quick and deadly, 15% from welcome to tertium, 15% against elites and monstrosities...
My point is that the argument of "crit already high" doesnt hold water
You've got to actually do the math
stray mulch
You've got to actually do the math
math i can do
what we calculating?
math the only thing im good at
stray mulch
okay so given the nodes you are talking about
flat mist
Well, unfeasible
stray mulch
minus hyper violence for now
flat mist
Since theres so many variables
stray mulch
each attack on an elites would be 1.6
at base
before crits
finiesse mod is what?
2.11 on crit and weakspot
flat mist
Dont forget to include an assumed weakspot rate
stray mulch
so 3.71
flat mist
Lel
stray mulch
im only going to consider 100% weakspot hits
the variable would have to be done on the side
so if at base crit you have 47.5% to do 3.17x your damage instead of 1.6x i can run the numbers
we including stim?
or rampage?
sonic pumice
Question: since we are not using Mr E builds, what is a good soruce of builds for this class?
stray mulch
Question: since we are not using Mr E builds, what is a good soruce of builds fo...
mister e new build is actually not bad
idk about any other
flat mist
Question: since we are not using Mr E builds, what is a good soruce of builds fo...
Epic cole has some in the pins but idk if they've been updated
flat mist
Question: since we are not using Mr E builds, what is a good soruce of builds fo...
My advice for anyone here asking for good builds is always to just specify what weapons and ult you want to use and then we can make recommendations
mighty belfry
Ask me because I make the best recommendations
brittle sierra
Builds are pretty straightforward with scum
Its either melee or Range
mighty belfry
I will not gaslight you at all.
mighty belfry
What, you thought calculating Fatshark's madness was gonna be easy?
stray mulch
well just doing the caluclations on the base crit chances took me 20 minutes
...
i think im only going to calc bases and the end result after a dodge
not trying to sit down for an hr doing maths
sonic pumice
Ask me because I make the best recommendations <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
The premise is simple: make the Hscum a combat servitor infused with stims to tank as much as it can while being disruptive, aka a stereotypical moba dive tank
sonic pumice
I will not gaslight you at all. <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
i will believe you every word
stray mulch
Dont forget to include an assumed weakspot rate
oy, i need another weapon now
and i hope i didnt miss anything because my head will blow up doing this again
lost ravine
and i hope i didnt miss anything because my head will blow up doing this again
perils of the warp...
sonic pumice
so far im running the forgoten cleave shivs (rapid strikes to prock precision violence) with the aoe exposion bolter, stim for regen of toughness and rampage for more damage reduction
also making chem tox enemies take increased damage
stray mulch
anyone got a 80% finesse rashad they can just share?
stray mulch
Since theres so many variables
the odds that you do more damage than the 10% melee bonus is 6.15% (gotta rerun the math on this part) with the crit over a massive series of attacks [like 50, 100 or more]. If you actually cared to out pace the 10% damage in a more meaningful way, you would commit the extra 5% crit to break into the next tenth percentile at 92.5% crit. [.925 mod in maths] ---- I'm also a bot because it should be 220 damage x 10 for each average with the melee buff
coudln't fit it [The final results are the total damages from the crits alone which can be added back to the base amount they were removed from before modified]
since each crit either bleeds over into +1 or trickles down to +0 critical hits, it's a much larger gamble past 50% [With little value unless you hit the next tenth].
only in a situation where you need a load ton more hits does it matter. Boss fights are the only specific reason I can see the reasoning behind taking it.
[I used a random number value for damage (200 instead of 195 because i couldnt remember)] [Bigger numbers will make a larger gap] (i removed and reposted)
might be messing up on something because im tired(Mentally) but realistically if you only have a miniscule chance to get another crit vs having more damage on average, higher dps favors the damage. Crit won't matter as much unless you need a lot more hits in a situation.
the math done didn't bother to consider lucky or unlucky streaks for reasons I hope are apparent
the crit chance Interpretation is a misprint
oblique basin
What the benefit of using dualpistols over vraks?
Or is it just power creep to oblivion?
Like is just another infantry gun but with less range
stray mulch
What the benefit of using dualpistols over vraks?
oblique basin
https://tenor.com/view/devil-may-cry-smokin-sexy-style-smoking-sexy-style-v-devi...
Style points, got it, so it is power creep
stray mulch
I am so glad i didn't have to explain that
ebon belfry
does stimm supply count for chemical dependancy or still nah?
stray mulch
does stimm supply count for chemical dependancy or still nah?
it does
oblique basin
I am so glad i didn't have to explain that
I love that game bro
stray mulch
you can stimm then use the supply crate to get another stack
ebon belfry
ah sweet ty ty
stray mulch
I love that game bro
bro i just recently started playing that game
combos are hard
oblique basin
combos are hard
Only combos with Haus, just look for a jump cancel tutorials then bake your own combos
stray mulch
ah sweet ty ty
if you are using all the stimm supply upgrade don't use the stimm thought. Using the stim then the ability will not put the stimmon cooldown until it's duration has run out
using the ability automatically puts the stim on CD tho
oblique basin
And bloody palace is the real endgame
stray mulch
And bloody palace is the real endgame
i saw this and only could think of UUUUUUULTRA!!!!
oblique basin
Bullet rain its so addictive to use
oblique basin
Talking about the lizards
stray mulch
yeah imma need to dust off my controller and get on these combos
but DMC aside idk what others opinions on the dual stubbers are
i think it's kinda meh
trick shotting is fun tho
oblique basin
High chances of getting carpal tunnel because of that click spam too
spice cloud
but DMC aside idk what others opinions on the dual stubbers are
I like them the most
They also offer good range
And they are not braindead like all the autoguns
stray mulch
And they are not braindead like all the autoguns
i took offense to this
but mostly because it's true
spice cloud
I like them on expeditions for the long range fighting
Amd they are still quite decent when u activate desperado
They just dont delete everythin immediatly like the automatik weapons
stray mulch
i need to try desperado again
stray mulch
They just dont delete everythin immediatly like the automatik weapons
if they are good at sniping ranged elites that's all that matters to me tbh
weapons that can do that are high value because im realizing ppl DO NOT focus elites and specials as much as they should
spice cloud
Yeah with sticky hands and run and gun the reticule gets very small
Dont even need to spin em
stray mulch
im assuming this is the right dump, because i don't want enemies moving too much?
ignore the blessings
spice cloud
I think so
I dont think collateral does anything for it
Pinning fire is not that bad
I use the volley thing and run and gun
And u can also change out run and gun for pinning fire
stray mulch
pinning actually wanted on it?
mighty belfry
I run sustained personally
stray mulch
yeah
like crucian sustained sounds nice
probably not in practice
but i'd like to try something like that
mighty belfry
I'm mainly pulling em out to deal with a pesky specialist so I'm usually not pressed for shots to kill there
spice cloud
Pinning fire is nice when magdumping into muxed hordes
When u have desperado that is
But i dont have it on rn
Basically for closer range when u dont have run and gun
zenith fern
How me feeling after picking scum since update drop 
This new tree is giving such an aneurysm
spice cloud
Thats why i never bother
lost ravine
that's a lot of loadouts
zenith fern
I am not even sure what to say about the new scum anymore
he is so odd that i dont think is as funny back on launch
Was it even needed to make a full tree rework and not just change some of the layouts like the bottom one?
lost ravine
i wish street tough was not a thing
as it stands it's so absurdly powerful that not picking vit just feels silly
zenith fern
I legit just made my first build and decided to ignore that because why is that needed at all for scum
When your movement does it all already
lost ravine
it's maybe fitting for ogryn
but no, it's hive scum that gets to be dog immune now
dlc class privilege
zenith fern
Yeah I rather take arbitrator thank you
Only playing one mission just made me think enough about the new scum plays
stray mulch
Since theres so many variables
The maths to my 1st response were so damn wrong
updating
it's even worse
zenith fern
It is a shame because i did love playing scum more for anarchist voicelines
lost ravine
i enjoyed it because it had the potential for an insanely melee focused playstyle
and pistol go spin
spice cloud
i enjoyed it because it had the potential for an insanely melee focused playstyl...
It does even more now
Melee is absurd now with chem explosions
I have to nerf myself with the bonesaw
flat mist
The maths to my 1st response were so damn wrong
Damage calcs are crazy complex
zenith fern
@neat delta weak asses
flat mist
It does even more now
Imagine if you gave a fast attack speed 500% finesse weapon over +75% strength, over +100% damage, nearly +100% finesse damage, 70% crit and like +50% attack speed
spice cloud
<@415075981456572436> weak asses
Not a single teammate shooting the goddamn snipers as usual
zenith fern
Not a single teammate shooting the goddamn snipers as usual
smfh
spice cloud
Fr cant depend on em ever
All they had to do was kill the snipers
And they wouldve lived
zenith fern
They got trapped and bursted too
spice cloud
But if they killed the snipers you couldve helped them
Now ur stuck killing the snipers and they die
Like why is the vet so far ahead
neat delta
<@415075981456572436> weak asses
oh those dumbasses got done in by a trapper
all it takes is one or two trappers man every fucking time
neat delta
recipe for disaster
spice cloud
Imagine if you gave a fast attack speed 500% finesse weapon over +75% strength, ...
Sound perfectly balanced
Implement immediatly
(Fatshark prolly)
stray mulch
got to fix my calculations after work
just form the discussion earlier
couldn't leave up the hideous amount of bad math I posted up earlier
I emplore ppl to not get the 5% crit aura if you actually want to do more damage. -- at least If you actually value crit and think the Maxed out Chems talent is bad, but the 5% aura is good, there is something wrong there. Take the extra crit if you are forgoing the damage.
spice cloud
I usually take the crit on despo build
lost ravine
It does even more now
i know but now it's just absurd
spice cloud
i know but now it's just absurd
I agree
stray mulch
i did maths for a living
stray mulch
yeah that's fair
lost ravine
i figured that 5% crit is relatively less impactful if it's a jump from 35-75% to 40-80%
stray mulch
i figured that 5% crit is relatively less impactful if it's a jump from 35-75% t...
scroll up to see my argument earlier
this is generally correct
lost ravine
feelscraft dictates that melee damage is better
stray mulch
crit always has a bit less weight on dps past 50%
played enough Monster Hunter to learn this
stray mulch
if someone can correct me ill take the hit, because its been a dang long day at work and i STILL might have some mistakes in there
but earlier it was BAAAAD
almost hit myself
spice cloud
I cannot correct u because i have no clue whats going on
stray mulch
we were talking about 5% crit node being better for the shivs
well it lead up to that
I initially was stating past 50% crit preferes raw damage
always
stray mulch
unless you can get enough crit to sway damage higher
the gist is 5% crit will not outweigh double it's percentile in damage past 50% usually
spice cloud
I havent done a shivs crit build yet
I wanted to but i forgot
I have to try it to compare
stray mulch
ppl see the finesse modifiyer and think that means to max out on crit
that couldnt be farther from the truth imo
spice cloud
ppl see the finesse modifiyer and think that means to max out on crit
Thats kinda how u go about it tho
Without much further info from the game
stray mulch
Thats kinda how u go about it tho
and if people actually believed that they would stop shitting on Maxed out Chems
because then they would actually outpace 10% raw melee damage
stray mulch
i think even considering coated weapons it is NECCESARY to take the extra crit to beat out that 10%
or you know
save the point and take the dang damage
i just don't like talks on numbers without showing SOMETHING
spice cloud
U mean coated is mandatory?
stray mulch
I also felt like correcting myself before i got torn to shreds
stray mulch
U mean coated is mandatory?
no
more like even with coated, i think 10% melee damage beats 5% crit
spice cloud
more like even with coated, i think 10% melee damage beats 5% crit
I see
stray mulch
because more crit means more toxin stacks
because crit works in flat values as in you get one or you don't, you can't half crit
you want to increase the flat amount of times you do crit with in a 10 roll
stray mulch
there is no real difference between 82.5% and 87.5%
if you crit 8 times you crit 8 times
zenith fern
Actually there is
spice cloud
I see what u mean
zenith fern
It is 0.2% increase