hivescum-class

[unreal stirrup]

yeah except the part where sample collector still give you stim cd on non toxin kill

[tender forge]

they also made my have to choose between the right keystones

[unreal stirrup]

it's free

wdym

[zenith pagoda]

I've decided I'm just gonna run adrenaline now, the only node you need is smiter

[unreal stirrup]

I don't like smiter tbh

[tender forge]

If I want to go for scavenger+stimm supply you have to take both stimm nodes which is rough when both of them do nothing

[unreal stirrup]

mostly because the fact that it isn't up when you're bossing or fighting carapace pack

scavenger is meh tbh when you have pickpocket

[zenith pagoda]

20s might help with that

[unreal stirrup]

you're helping team ammo economy by not picking up any

[tender forge]

I like my support keystones

[main wagon]

The safety net is the single digit number of frames between the crusher overhead hitting the ground and me trimping off a small fucking rock

I feel my skeleton rushing to escape, or maybe that's just the carpal tunnel in my hand

[flat mist]

I did not know this

[onyx goblet]

been playing combat axe with thrust and limbsplitter with ranged build so i can just dunk one guy to get my ammo back

just BONK, CYA

[stray mulch]

FR

[zenith pagoda]

Fr?

[stray mulch]

I NOTICED THIS BUT DIDNT WANT TO BE WRONG SO NEVER MENTIONED IT

you feel so much faster doing heavies

[flat mist]

Extra

[flat mist]

I havent tested but i think yes

[zenith pagoda]

I mean it's not really noticeable on most weapons

But I'm using adrenaline now anyway because chem dependency is too expensive

[flat mist]

Yeah eg shivs it does basically nothing

[stray mulch]

IT DOESNT FEEL LIKE IT DOES ANYTHIGN FOR THE BONESAW EITHER

i have to stop leaving caps on....

[flat mist]

It should be pretty sweet for any slow weapon

[flat mist]

For a rampage build presumably?

[zenith pagoda]

Yeah

[stray mulch]

looks like it did nothing here

not sure which weapon i was feeling faster on

maybe heavy sword?

[flat mist]

The claim is about adrenaline frenzy not rampage

[stray mulch]

i think the animation just makesit seem like you move faster

brain rot not good]\

my bad

[flat mist]

Relateable

[stray mulch]

kinda hard to tell, but it might just be becaue im not paying attention

actually looks noticible but id have to come up with an actual test environment to even check properly

not sure how to do that for movement to be honest

[abstract wasp]

so they killed pick pocket huh

[stray mulch]

for ranged

[zenith pagoda]

You just can't mag dump the entire game

[stray mulch]

tbf not sure how you were pickpocketing with bullets to begin with

you can still mag dump tho

[abstract wasp]

so whats the strongest build right now

[stray mulch]

just gotta get them melee elite/ special kills

[zenith pagoda]

There's never a single strongest build

[stray mulch]

having a strongest build is a psyker thing imo

🙂

[abstract wasp]

i am afraid the real fun was shooting all game

[stray mulch]

tbf now you still shoot like 80% of the game

[zenith pagoda]

Rampage is just as fun

[stray mulch]

unless you cant catch a special or elite in melee

[zenith pagoda]

Alley rat is the most fun talent

[stray mulch]

^

playing tony hawk pro skater in the wastes

[zenith pagoda]

Dodging sideways is now faster than sprinting lol

[torpid cloud]

this evening's progress

[zenith pagoda]

Not taking boiling blood is diabolical

[torpid cloud]

thats up next

i just wanted a capstone

[stray mulch]

Yeah if you were running around with just guns out it might actually be a lot less fun for you

[stray mulch]

Do other players not value Hive City Brawler?

[torpid cloud]

not that high on my prio list but ill prolly take it

i have 8 more points to work with after all

3 of em will go into the toxin part of the tree for coated and splash with the travel node

[lost ravine]

20% DR and up to 20% melee damage not high prio?

mad

[stray mulch]

i personally think nimble + slippery customer is over kill, but i think defense talents are more importat than the others

but fr i think Hive City Brawler has higher prio than Street Tough for me

[torpid cloud]

sliding away from enemies has become a habit i cannot let go of

[timid idol]

20% DR and melee damage when you have stamina. The Melee damage indeed kicks ass, and while 20% DR is handy, it means if you have to resort to shoving to stay alive in a melee group you lose it

[stray mulch]

the DR means more in higher difficulties

[timid idol]

I still take it, but it's not the most goated perk

[torpid cloud]

with this last mission i unlocked damnation which ill jump into

[stray mulch]

it pairs well with float like a butterfly

perfect block for crit, and the stamina that gets eaten gives you a bit of damage

[twilit tide]

it used to not count as ranged and felt awful running ranged perks on a ranged weapon, that's why it's like this now

[stray mulch]

helps you stay at 50% in fights

which is 10% dr and melee damage

[torpid cloud]

i tend to mainly just dodge

[stray mulch]

do both

if it's not too much

[torpid cloud]

i mean i try sometimes

[stray mulch]

i like technical stuff so i always try to

its saved me bacon a few times

[timid idol]

dodge until you can't anymore, then block til you can dodge again is a very simple rotation that works perfectly most of the time

[stray mulch]

^

[torpid cloud]

f i take jittery i can probably just chain dodges but

that point i dont wanna spend

[timid idol]

I so wish my build had the spare point for jittery

[stray mulch]

dodge slides > P.block and run slide--- alternate to keep up survivability

[timid idol]

it is very nice

But damage is damage, and dead things can't hurt me

[torpid cloud]

its funny how my taxe can just melt bosses

would prolly work even better if i didnt use brutal momentum

it feels really good tho

[stray mulch]

brumentum is good imo, dont need a blessing to deal with bosses and it helps stack violence

monsters i thin are on the lower priority list in fights

[torpid cloud]

violence?

[stray mulch]

because when you die while dealing with them its usually specials,elites, and ranged enemies that cause death

[stray mulch]

hyper violence*

[torpid cloud]

o ya

[timid idol]

Either you can melt a boss fast enough for it to not matter, or you can just kite it effortlessly while murdering everything else

[torpid cloud]

really i just spam light attacks so my usage of hyper violence is iffy at best but

[stray mulch]

its why i like toxin so much atm

fully stack the monster

kill everythign else

back to stacking toxin on the monster

[torpid cloud]

how many stacks is max btw

[timid idol]

30

[stray mulch]

they last like 3 seconds at max or something like that

[torpid cloud]

i dunno if i wanna dump 5 mags into a boss, kinda wanna hit it after one or two

[stray mulch]

i wouldnt worry about keeping max stack uptime

[dense hollow]

30 toxin is like 5 shots

[torpid cloud]

oooooh

[stray mulch]

yeah its like 5 shots if you dont crit or hit a weakpoint

[timid idol]

Depends on your needler mark and if you can hit headshots

[stray mulch]

and i think like 3-4 if you do land weakpoints

something random like that

[timid idol]

I usually just magdump a boss and call it a day

[torpid cloud]

i just use the mk4

[stray mulch]

i liek the m2

because you can do both at the same time

kill mobs and stack the monster

[torpid cloud]

whats the diff

[stray mulch]

the alt

[timid idol]

Mk4 alt fire explodes, mk2 alt fire is a poison AoE

[stray mulch]

1 does moderate stagger on the explosion the other adds like 2 or 3 stacks when the enemy dies to it

in an aoe

[tranquil fjord]

they added these recolors of the hood and goggles for scum but no recolors of other parts

[livid raven]

mk4 also applies more stacks on crit and weakspot hits

[mighty belfry]

Slippery customer isn't even that good

[stray mulch]

^

[stray mulch]

i dont like it, but i think it was over kill paired with nimble

feels like you never really get value form it because of nimble

[timid idol]

It's a good perk in a sea of awesome perks

[stray mulch]

fair

[timid idol]

If I had to pick it for progression I would do so happily, but I have too many good perks to pick from

[dense hollow]

slippery customer is kind of unnecessary

[torpid cloud]

i got really used to it okay

cant let it go no mo

[stray mulch]

nothing wrong with that

i like my crutches too

alley cat stays locked in

[torpid cloud]

i just prefer nimble because easier dodge

also makes sure i cant dodge on other classes

[stray mulch]

i make all of my trees to comensate for bad plays i KNOW that i will be making, so they are defense heavy i think

[torpid cloud]

the more i play scum the worse i get at ogryn i swear

[stray mulch]

i tried vet yeserday and realize i didnt have alley cat

XD

[torpid cloud]

alley rat will make me yeet myself off of ledges

[stray mulch]

to saftey or doom!

[dense hollow]

from playing hive scum to using power sword

you got your kneecaps stolen

[stray mulch]

fr

then they beat up in a corner for my 1st run

a proper tertium mugging

[torpid cloud]

I swear playing up to heresy felt so bad cause scum really feels best at higher difficulties

[stray mulch]

it's a class that scales super heavily with difficulty imo

like vet, and psyker

[torpid cloud]

Lots of stuff that incentivizes me to kill a lot of stuff

I get to kill more stuff on higher diff

[stray mulch]

more kills more benefit

try using blackout on heresy

you will never see another greneade

[mighty belfry]

I don't really recomend it at all unless you know you're carrying batteries for objectives cuz in practice, it really isn't that good otherwise

Since the main thing you'd want it to work for

[torpid cloud]

This is gonna be my first time messing around with adrenaline btw

I think taking the adrenaline on kill would be best but then that wouldn't allow me to stack it when hitting a single target for a longer time

[mighty belfry]

It doesn't actually work.

[torpid cloud]

I mean it does
I hear an attack from behind and I slide

No damage taken

[stray mulch]

by the time you hear the attack and hit dodge

you've already avoided it

[mighty belfry]

Okay.

[stray mulch]

with or without the slide

[mighty belfry]

You can just dodge.

[torpid cloud]

Yeah but that would require me to like
Turn

[dense hollow]

you don't need to turn to dodge

[torpid cloud]

You're asking too much man

[mighty belfry]

Why do you need another talent point to do what one action is already doing

[stray mulch]

you can dodge back into them and still avoid the hit

[torpid cloud]

Huh.

[stray mulch]

said what i said

[dense hollow]

just take jittery instead

and you shouldn't run out of dodges

[mighty belfry]

As long as you have the space and effective dodges, you're fine.

Hell even if you don't have the space, you're probably fine if you have effective dodges

[stray mulch]

^

[mighty belfry]

The one case basis I'd see for slippery

[stray mulch]

i think practicing the fundamentals will be better than using the point there. i personally wont say not to take it, but i advise against it

[torpid cloud]

I've grown to appreciate that rampage kind of makes everything way more quiet
Nice reprieve for my ears

[mighty belfry]

Is it letting you dodge crushers with your slide

Except.

It doesn't let you do that.

At all.

[torpid cloud]

I know how that hitbox works

I'm not stupid enough to attempt that

[stray mulch]

that crusher hitbox will still clap yo ass

[mighty belfry]

Then there you go. The one actual thing where it would be impactful enough to be worth the point

it doesn't even work

So, it's just a weird pick.

I can see if for uh

Expeditions though

[stray mulch]

ngl FS trolled by not letting to work for those

if they did i would be taking it no lie

[mighty belfry]

I wouldn't

But I would say it's a justifiable pick

[stray mulch]

a third crutch is a thrid crutch

i like em

[torpid cloud]

I should abandon my Grug profile BTW
I made that when I was really into larping as an ogryn with the gang

[mighty belfry]

I just don't think it's a crutch that really comes up enough in practice to be worth the point

[stray mulch]

oh you don't know me

#1 crusher hater

anything to avoid,them or kill them

even if i got better the stigma those bastards have caused me still stings

[torpid cloud]

That's trappers
I do that only with trappers

[mighty belfry]

Considering I usually use more stagger heavy weapons on scum recently

[torpid cloud]

I will bust out the boom bringer for a single trapper

[mighty belfry]

I really don't get too intimidated by crushers anymore

[stray mulch]

its nto about intimidation

[mighty belfry]

Hammerblow devil claw is amazing

[stray mulch]

its sheer and utter hatred

[mighty belfry]

Yeah. Which is why I kill them

[lost ravine]

i like crushers

i do not like trappers

[torpid cloud]

I like
M1 spam

Into a trappers face

[stray mulch]

thats with sunder on p.sword and not brumentum

i see one, it dies

no questions asked

too many runs ended because me or a teammate get caught in the past

[lost ravine]

onslaught gamer

[torpid cloud]

My runs usually never end with me just getting killed
It's me getting caught by a trapper which leads to me getting killed

[stray mulch]

Aye man, a trapper can bag me and i can get saved, but if i hear that big ass dumb ass with a rock attached to a stick -- i see red

[torpid cloud]

I'm usually the last one standing
And the way I go in this cases is usually to a trapper

Too much usually. Vary your vocabulary

[torpid cloud]

Peak

[loud herald]

hi scummers

how's the talent tree shift around

[brittle sierra]

Dogwater

[stray mulch]

FUN AND GREAT. If you enjoy war crimes

[dense hollow]

blessed stims/long lasting stim got turned into a tax node

forced into one of either

[stray mulch]

that part does suck tho

[loud herald]

so not poggers is what i'm hearing

[dense hollow]

other than that the tree shift is actually pretty alright

[loud herald]

oh cool

[stray mulch]

i didnt play too much of the class after release, due to all the complaints but playing it after the update it feels really strong no matter what you do or take

[loud herald]

do we have any builds floating around for rampage dclaw?

and/or shivs

[mighty belfry]

I need to post my new one later

[loud herald]

oh hey dclaw expert is already here

[mighty belfry]

Am i really like

Known for that now

Lmao

[loud herald]

no I just call you that because you know more than me on it

[bronze glade]

i mean it was always strong and was barely nerfed sooooo

[dense hollow]

hive scum got buffed more than it got nerfed

[mighty belfry]

It's not that bad

[dense hollow]

rampage doesnt nuke your stamina bar anymore

[stray mulch]

I believe you, i do, but I had the pleasure of mostly running into ppl who cried about it being squishy and yada yada. It had put me off a bit

[mighty belfry]

Ya the stimm node are taxes now

[loud herald]

ye I know that much

[mighty belfry]

But the class overall is just stronger and more accessible aside from that

Also Street Tough

Should not be in the game

Like at all

[dense hollow]

never punished

[loud herald]

what's street tough again

I forgor

[dense hollow]

knock all enemies around you when taking melee dmg every 8 seconds

[loud herald]

oh

yeah that is pretty dumb lol

[bronze glade]

the funny thing is that a level 30 scum was never squishy, but a lot of people suffered during the leveling process so the assumption that scum is squishy just stuck around

[mighty belfry]

Bottom right got a major glow up

[stray mulch]

bro when i was leveling it i never had the issue

but i stopped playing it as soon as i hit 30

[bronze glade]

a LOT of people did

[stray mulch]

didnt want to try it in havoc or auric because i thought it would be dookie

[mighty belfry]

I did because desp scum kept shooting poxbursters near me

[bronze glade]

scum pubbies dropped like flies

when i was leveling

that's the first time i felt the need to take rev speed

[stray mulch]

XD

[mighty belfry]

And that was during the hurt box bug

Which probably didn't help at all

[loud herald]

reminds me of when I was playing vet on an auric maelstrom mission when the cooldown reduction for your ability upon killing specialists/elites wasn't over time and I spammed vet shout up to +500 toughness for the whole team cause I was genociding the dogs

was also back when it was +100 temp toughness on vet shout

[mighty belfry]

I almost miss it.

Almost.

[bronze glade]

tac awareness now is so pathetic

[loud herald]

but yeah if you got anything remotely 30/30 points for a dclaw rampage build lmk whenever @mighty belfry

[reef spoke]

to be fair, the Hive Scum leveling was dogshit at release

as you had no toughness regen until at minimum lvl 14

it's a lot better now though

got shot? sorry you have to melee or coherency regen that

[stray mulch]

i dont remember it being that bad to be honest

[bronze glade]

that was prob why a lot of people sucked at scum

[stray mulch]

to be fair, i had the intended leveling experience though

when i lelved i didnt jump straight into damnation

or more like i couldnt because of the new thing they implemented

[reef spoke]

the fact was those were your options and you have to remember that the average player loses to poxwalkers

[reef spoke]

indeed, now you can purposely get shot for 30% toughness regen lol

[stray mulch]

fair

[manic wolf]

Great! So by dying to bruisers I'm above the average player

[stray mulch]

well at least now its doable

and even beneficial

did not mean to respond there, but I have legit ran into gun fire for the 1 little tickle to give me more toughness

[reef spoke]

in release, that talent was located here

[stray mulch]

i remember

[reef spoke]

average Stim Shady run UwU

[stray mulch]

just never got to it before i got put off though

[reef spoke]

fun times while leveling lol

[stray mulch]

when i got back 2 days ago i still had like 5 levels to get

XD

[reef spoke]

oof

at least you don't have to deal with the extremely squishy part of leveling

[stray mulch]

oh the last part is that i basically had maxxed rolled weapons the whole leveling experience

[loud herald]

what's the max power level on curious again

[stray mulch]

burned all the resources to max out the masteries

[loud herald]

is it 420?

[stray mulch]

yeah, though you can have max rolls at 410

[loud herald]

oh kk

[stray mulch]

the number is weird

[loud herald]

I thought I heard something about +3 stam curios being fake

if under 410

[stray mulch]

i can vid 3 of them right now

at 410

[loud herald]

only if u want

i'm just wondering how much to gamba with melkbux™

[amber sundial]

430 iirc

[loud herald]

I have a 410 +3 stam curio and two 390 16% toughness curios

[loud herald]

[stray mulch]

oh wait

i think i misread before responding

but yea

410 is just what they start at

[reef spoke]

max is 430

no special effect though

[stray mulch]

same for 17% toughness it can be 420 which i want for the memes

[loud herald]

oh so no extra power above 410 for curios?

[stray mulch]

no

[loud herald]

noted

how does one even get 430 ones, do you just have to be insanely lucky with melkbux™ gamba?

[stray mulch]

the power on curios are just a numerical threshold for what they can have innate maybe?

[reef spoke]

luck c:

[loud herald]

ic

[reef spoke]

the ONLY use for Melk tokens is to mass buy curios

[stray mulch]

^

shitty gatcha

[reef spoke]

so go wild with Milk

[loud herald]

alr

I spent all my melkbux™ just now

[stray mulch]

brunt armory dub

better gatcha than melk fr

need 1 more now

[bronze glade]

Removed Talents:

‘Loose Formation’.

‘Untouchable’.

‘Gang Tough’.

which ones were untouchable and gang tough again?

oh yeah that's the aggro dump node

losing gang tough is unfortunate

[stray mulch]

i think dumping aggro isnt healthy in the game

but im bad and i hate invis for th same reason

[bronze glade]

it was a gimped talent anyway

so it's good that they removed it

[dense hollow]

i forgot what gang tough was

but it got replaced with another dumb node

okay i remember what gang tough was

feels bad taking an aura that forces you into taking blessed stimms

not that the other option is much better

[stray mulch]

Take melee damage then, and the long way around

it IS not too fun either way though

[dense hollow]

yeah thats probably what i'll end up doing

you get cucked if you wanna run crate though regardless

[stray mulch]

i think melee damage is better overall if you arent building for toxin stacks

the 5% crit matters more for the toxin imo, and sure it helps with hyper crit

but I think the melee damage helps with that more as well

[manic wolf]

Correct. I spent more time looking for those pills I dropped in the first room than actually killing the heretics

[flat mist]

For melee builds it was pure tax, im very happy to have an extra point instead

[flat mist]

It was replaced with tis but a scratch which everyone was taking anyway, straight up improvement to the tree

With the most common/generic pathing you were getting gang tough, nimble and tis but a scratch you now get tis but a scratch, nimble and sample collector.

If you were taking sample collector already thats +1 free talent point to spend AND you don't have to path over to sample collector if you dont want to.

Its a huge buff to rampage scum at the very least

If you're taking adrenaline frenzy and dont want anything from the right side but were previously pathing over there for sample collector its like +5 talent points lol

[dense hollow]

don't you lose that +1 point considering you're forced to path through one of the stimm nodes

[flat mist]

No. That talent point was previously spent on a +25 toughness node.

[dense hollow]

oh ur right

i forgot they nuked a toughness node and made it baseline

[flat mist]

Yeah its kinda funny people complain about having to take those when its literally free compared to last patch

Although they are shit so kinda fair

[dense hollow]

i mean its the same as last patch but it still feels bad

going through a node that does effectively nothing is worse than it not existing and having one less talent point to me

not that big of a deal though

scum still is nuts and only gets better every update

dlc class privelege

[mighty belfry]

For that one flaw, the tree is overall better

[flat mist]

But you dont have one less talent point

[mighty belfry]

The class is overall better

[near mauve]

Every class gets stronger with each update tho

We only buff in this house

[mighty belfry]

But none of the classes have Street Tough

Other than this one

[flat mist]

The point you spend on that shit choice is one you previously spent on something that is now built in

[jovial heron]

ogryn and zealot have similar if not quite as good talents

[flat mist]

Nvm i see what u mean birdman, but thats just psychology

[near mauve]

Also as a zealot main it's so funny seeing people complaining about 1 tax node xdd

[mighty belfry]

Street Tough

[near mauve]

Remember THE BUILD TM days

[dense hollow]

knives or bust

[mighty belfry]

Is so much better than those talents

It's not even remotely comparable how good Street Tough is compared to those

Street Tough straight up just

Should not be in the game in its current state.

It's disgustingly overpowered

[dense hollow]

hive scum is all about disabling mechanics

turn on a button to disable ranged damage

take a node to disable melee attackers every 8 seconds

[mighty belfry]

You think that's the real big benefit to it?

[dense hollow]

nah

[mighty belfry]

Don't get me wrong

That's still amazing

But that is not why it's a problem

Well

[dense hollow]

its kind of part of the problem

[mighty belfry]

At least it's not the major reason at least.

[dense hollow]

just not all of it

[loud herald]

goblin can I get feedback on my feelycrafted talent build for dclaw

[mighty belfry]

Ye

[loud herald]

kk lemme log in

[mighty belfry]

I was gonna go home and cook up what I had on gameslantern to post here

Cuz my setup is quite different now from what it used to be

[loud herald]

got u

[mighty belfry]

Funny thing about Street Tough.

Wouldn't even mind it if the cooldown was like

A minute

At least

[jovial heron]

yes and they have similar not quite as good. Zealot has almost the same but its an arc in front of him. Ogryn has it but its middle keystone with 30 sec cooldown

[mighty belfry]

They're similar in what they're supposed to do. But Scum's version is like

Astronomically better

[loud herald]

also the dump stat for dclaw is cleave right

for your build

[mighty belfry]

Cleave targets

[loud herald]

yeah that

ty

[mighty belfry]

Not damage

[loud herald]

o bet

[mighty belfry]

It's so much better that even if they technically have a similar function, I can't really even compare them

[jovial heron]

i did say it was better

[mighty belfry]

Because it's so much better

[loud herald]

it's probably genuine dogshit

but I tried to replicate pre patch build ish

[mighty belfry]

Keeping it real

I don't even run rockets anymore with dclaw

[loud herald]

oh really?

[mighty belfry]

Nah

[loud herald]

blackouts or chem?

[mighty belfry]

Blackouts

[loud herald]

ngl blackouts save my ass so many times against crushers and bulwarks

and other shit

[dense hollow]

there's ogryns hungry for nades again anyway and they eat all of them before you replenish your rockets

just go with blackouts

[loud herald]

should I grab pocket toxin again

if blackouts

[mighty belfry]

Pocket toxin

Virulent strain + toxin mania + skullcrusher

[loud herald]

I can prolly drop the +1 blitz with blackouts ya?

[reef spoke]

pocket toxin is pretty funny

[mighty belfry]

There. Anything you've staggered with your blackouts now takes 90%~105% more damage

[reef spoke]

but throwing 6 blackouts into a poxwalker though

[stray mulch]

guess it really is just 10 shots to get back blackout

I thought I was mistaken but you can get 2 off of one shot with the needle pistol. This is fun

[mighty belfry]

Which toxin, is also affected by

[loud herald]

where is skullcrusher

[mighty belfry]

It's a blessing for claw

[loud herald]

oh derp

[mighty belfry]

I run skullcrusher and hammerblow

[loud herald]

should I not do shred anymore?

[mighty belfry]

You can if it's not the build I'm using

But the build I'm using is kinda bonkers

[loud herald]

gotcha

[mighty belfry]

And it needs those two blessings to really shine

[loud herald]

is my build close to yours talent wise at all?

or do I need to shift around

besides pocket toxin

[mighty belfry]

It is. But I delve way harder into bottom right side

[stray mulch]

it's not needed for blackout

[loud herald]

figured

[mighty belfry]

It's a very toxin heavy build

[loud herald]

debating what I can drop

for the other bottom right stuff

[mighty belfry]

I'll get back and show u

[loud herald]

the sweet spot for one maybe?

the +25% weakspot dam

[loud herald]

ty

[mighty belfry]

Also

Do not run Street Tough

[loud herald]

because it's dumb OP?

[light phoenix]

I just tried Dclaw on Scum... surprisingly fun?

[stray mulch]

i run toxin

[mighty belfry]

It's completely antisynergetic with D claw

[loud herald]

o

noted

[stray mulch]

learned that toxin mania does absoluetly nothing for the DoT

[manic wolf]

Also obligatory comment about it being weird to play around

[mighty belfry]

Because if something hits you in your parry state, it procs

[loud herald]

should I grab toxin renewal/targeted toxin? or nah

[mighty belfry]

And throws off your rhythm a lot

[flat mist]

Pretty funny that cheap shots doesnt get a mention in the stagger combo

[mighty belfry]

I was gonna try and fit it in there

Just couldn't.

But what I have is already pretty damn strong

[loud herald]

I also imagine run needle pistol with this build cause of the 20 billion toxin stuff

[mighty belfry]

No

[loud herald]

o

[mighty belfry]

Lethal prox bistl

[loud herald]

lethal prox bistl?

[mighty belfry]

Because it extends blackouts range

[loud herald]

oh

the bolt pistol

[flat mist]

Goated weapon

Fav scum build by far

[loud herald]

wait that affects blackout's range???

[mighty belfry]

It does.

[loud herald]

damn

[flat mist]

You have so many stagger sources its absurd

[loud herald]

mk 4 or mk 6

[mighty belfry]

Temu arbites

[stray mulch]

it affects all explosions iirc

[mighty belfry]

But toxic

[loud herald]

and which stat is the dump you guys think

on said mark

[mighty belfry]

I run the aoe mark

[loud herald]

idr which one is the aoe mark

[flat mist]

💯

[mighty belfry]

The one with the straight mag

[loud herald]

mk 6

[flat mist]

Got an ss of your full tree @mighty belfry ?

[loud herald]

this one?

[mighty belfry]

Im gonna go home and build it up

Yep that one

[flat mist]

Chem dep or adren

[mighty belfry]

Favorite weapon on scum

[loud herald]

oh also did stimm talents change

or nah

[mighty belfry]

Chem dep

[stray mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/whet-what-ew-can-you-not-stop-gif-9908266

look at the angles on that thing

[mighty belfry]

Because you still want good crit for coated procs

[loud herald]

what'd I do

[stray mulch]

i just hate how it looks lmao

[loud herald]

oh lol

yea

[mighty belfry]

And crits also have increased stagger

Which are snowballed by hammerblow

[manic wolf]

I prefer curves too mate, but beggars cant be choosers

[mighty belfry]

Idk I like the way it looks personally

[stray mulch]

must be a pixie

they like boxes

and the colour grey

[mighty belfry]

The bulky curved mag always threw me off on original bistol

[loud herald]

should I drop anything for targeted toxin and/or toxin renewal?

or are those eh

[mighty belfry]

Toxin renewal is not very good on that build

Because the toxin

Tends to kill everything before you can really benefit from it

[loud herald]

lmao fair

[mighty belfry]

Skullcrusher beefs the hell out of your toxin damage

[stray mulch]

i dont think toxic renewal gets much valuein low diff

mosthing just die

so you usually get the max value if its an elite that wont just die

[mighty belfry]

I suppose if it's like

[flat mist]

This is mine rn, idk about some of the new talents but im still testing

[mighty belfry]

A train of crushers

[flat mist]

Shivs + bistol

[mighty belfry]

Oh and also

I don't run hypercrit lol

[flat mist]

Fair, i love it

[mighty belfry]

Because it interferes with blackout regen

[loud herald]

stimm looks okay still? or did that change too

[mighty belfry]

Oh I just max it out now

[flat mist]

Probably right but i genuinely feel so much safer with HC

[manic wolf]

Still not a fan of HC myself

[mighty belfry]

You get so much toxin damage that you can pretty reliably proc sample collector to get your stimm back very fast.

[loud herald]

where should I go further in you think

bottom left?

[mighty belfry]

I'm almost home

[loud herald]

kk

I wait

[mighty belfry]

I still think it has its place

But for this build

Nah

I want as many blackouts as I can get

[stray mulch]

i have legit the same tree, just no nimble. Took Punching instead

[mighty belfry]

Plus hypercrit feels overkill anyway

Cuz I mean

Again

[stray mulch]

hypercrit is good for horde clear

[mighty belfry]

90~105% extra damage

[stray mulch]

at least in havoc imo

it does help clean up some elites and specials

ive noticed it when not taking it

[mighty belfry]

I mainly like hypercrit

For ragers

[stray mulch]

^

[mighty belfry]

And I mea

[stray mulch]

yes

they are the main reason i use it

[mighty belfry]

It's a devil's claw

[stray mulch]

like actually XD

[mighty belfry]

Legit why would I need help with ragers

[flat mist]

Yeah thats what i feel safer against

[flat mist]

Oh yeah, no hc on dc

[mighty belfry]

I mean it helps

Just not as significantly here

[flat mist]

Yeah

[mighty belfry]

Because I can just

Parry

And they will die

[flat mist]

Are you still running all health

[loud herald]

oh btw when do you parry with dclaw?

whenever you can?

[mighty belfry]

Pft

[loud herald]

dumb question ik

[mighty belfry]

Uh

I run 1 toughness 2 stam

With health perks

I am living dangerously

[flat mist]

I miss the old proxy gob

[mighty belfry]

Wow...

[loud herald]

that's mean

[flat mist]

He was a freethinker

[manic wolf]

You're not stanning 3HP anymore?

[flat mist]

She*

[mighty belfry]

I just don't feel the need forit

On this build

It is so ridiculously safe because of the amount of impact you have

So, I figured

Why not just get more attack speed so I can stagger things more

And well

There we go

[flat mist]

Run all stam

[mighty belfry]

Im genuinely considering it

[flat mist]

None of this 2/3 assing it

[mighty belfry]

Anyway

Gonna make it now

[stray mulch]

is there a reason to run hp?

[flat mist]

Survive stuff that ignores toughness

[mighty belfry]

Helps against the things toughness doesn't care about

[clever wren]

Fatscumgus

[stray mulch]

hmm

[mighty belfry]

I used to run all 3 hp curios

[stray mulch]

fair, i just decide that if things are getting through toughness im just playing bad

[mighty belfry]

For this

[stray mulch]

which is true

[mighty belfry]

I mean

[flat mist]

Mk IV devils claw?

[mighty belfry]

With how poxbursters behave

[stray mulch]

shove dodge alley cat op

[mighty belfry]

It sometimes simply is the game being shit

[mighty belfry]

I prefer mk7

[stray mulch]

but also i dont think that hp matter if you get hit by a pox burster in havoc, maybe

those nukes to hp and toughness hit that 21% hard

[mighty belfry]

I survived like

4 poxbursters back to back one time

[stray mulch]

mad lad

[mighty belfry]

It does actually matter at least with rampage

[light phoenix]

Is it just me or is the Crowbar still shit?

Just tried it again, felt like I could do better with Hsword

[flat mist]

Why? I havent messed that much with the marks but i chose IV for h1 single target

[stray mulch]

aah yeah the 25% dr would actually make it worth more

[mighty belfry]

I like the push attack combo

Also the single target chains are really nice

[light phoenix]

I kinda like the mk 1 lights for single target

Heavies for mk 1 is kinda shit tho haha

[stray mulch]

how much hp do you have and are you also going 15% total hp on curios?

[mighty belfry]

Ya

Over 200 in h40

[stray mulch]

57% total then

hmm

toughness in h40?

[mighty belfry]

Reason I thought of it

80

But toughness returns in havoc

Are not great

[stray mulch]

actually might be worth

[mighty belfry]

Cuz of how the debuff affects it

[stray mulch]

thank you for the info

[mighty belfry]

I'd say it's worth a try for sure.

[flat mist]

Go 78% or go home

[mighty belfry]

Also

I'm a fool

[stray mulch]

im going home then because im at min commiting to +3 stamina x1

i value that 12% attackspeed

[mighty belfry]

I did actually fit cheap shots after taking off street tough lol

Oh wait nvr mind

Fricked up

Didn't have virulent strain

[stray mulch]

wait what

my calc is saying the most hp id get in h40 is 172

with 78% health

[mighty belfry]

huh

I know I definitely reached over 200

[stray mulch]

because its -35% base hp

which leaves you at 97.5

that modified by +78% is 172.66

[mighty belfry]

I'm pretty sure it's because it goes through the modification from curios first

And THEN debuffs after

Or

[stray mulch]

hmm lets do the maffs the other way then

[mighty belfry]

Maybe Im wrong

But I know it does reach over 200

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a159a630-0728-46f7-91d1-1eb4d0865b2a/toxiclaw-terror @loud herald @flat mist

[stray mulch]

it would be 173.55 health if done the other way

[mighty belfry]

Huh.

That's really weird actually.

[stray mulch]

yeah

[mighty belfry]

Wait wh-

WHAT THE HECK GAMESLANTERN

okay now it should be right

[flat mist]

I get +1 nade when excited about new build, but seems like a waste

[stray mulch]

would be: Base HP = 150 x 1.78 or Base HP = 150 x .65

[mighty belfry]

Nah that's supposed to be virulent strain

[stray mulch]

i think in both the game would round it to 173

[mighty belfry]

I changed it

[flat mist]

Noice

[stray mulch]

unless the modifyers for h40 changed since i last played

it's still 35% less hp, no?

[mighty belfry]

Nah they def didnt

So I'm wondering why the math isnt mathing

Because I definitely was able to get to over 200

[stray mulch]

tbf 173 hp is servicable, but i would probably try to aim to get back to 150 base and more toughness for myself

[flat mist]

Are you implying forges bellow is better than street tough in general, or you just want forges for the on demand stagger?

It is op vs bosses tbf

[mighty belfry]

Street Tough is disruptive for Devil's Claw

Because if it's not procced already and something hits you in your parry, it will still cause the knockback

And it really throws my flow off

It's actively detrimental for what I'm trying to get out of the weapon

Because it's a stagger that's not exactly controllable by your own whim like Forge's is

I also just don't like it.

[manic wolf]

Its just disruptive anyway

[flat mist]

Makes sense, appreciated

[manic wolf]

Not just for DClaw

[mighty belfry]

Like, the lesser chance of taking chip damage and the dog protection

All nice

But

Eh

Personally I'd rather something is staggered by what I'm doing.

[manic wolf]

It's like playing with a Trauma user who doesnt know not to dump AoEs on their frontliners

[mighty belfry]

Plus.

It caused me to get slotted in a havoc last night LOL

Honestly for how ridiculously overpowered it is

I really just don't think I'd recommend using it

[stray mulch]

okay last question because im not able ot log on

whats th ebase toughness of scummy?

with the +25 off tree?

[mighty belfry]

100

[stray mulch]

yeah i think 1 toughness curio and 1 hp curio might be my goal then

diff between toughness with 2 toughness curios is so damn small

kinda simialr for health too

[mighty belfry]

one of each is perfectly serviceable in my experience

[stray mulch]

mental math says like 72 toughness and 136 hp that way

unless i give up the attack speed

[mighty belfry]

tbf it also depends on the weapon

and its base stamina

[flat mist]

The best trauma staff training is knocking bursters towards your team without popping them

[mighty belfry]

realistically, you could get away with no stam on dclaw

[stray mulch]

yeah but regardless the +3 stamina always translates to 12% attack speed

[flat mist]

Bonus points if its after they push them

[stray mulch]

it think 10% attack speed out weighs like 15 life or 10 toughness

[mighty belfry]

It's 6%

[stray mulch]

my bad i was assuming 2

[mighty belfry]

2% per stamina bar

[stray mulch]

again was assuming 2x

[mighty belfry]

Right, fair enough

[stray mulch]

if imma be squishy i might as well go glass cannon

die then complain

[mighty belfry]

"squishy"

right

[stray mulch]

okay well i gotta famr melk and the armory more now

imma try playing with 1x health and 2x toughness when i get back on

im never getting those +3 stamina curios

[mighty belfry]

oh those are the easy ones when you've played this game enough

[stray mulch]

don't

[flat mist]

I spent 60k melk bucks and got one 21% health curio

[stray mulch]

I'll crash out

+3 stamina has to be the rarest max roll

[mighty belfry]

all i'm saying is, don't worry about having your health curios being maxed out

[stray mulch]

all the others i have on each classs, thats the one ive only seen on my vet

[flat mist]

Yeah the <5% difference isnt going to change anything 99.99% of the time

[stray mulch]

i havent got one on scum yet, but the ones i have on my other classes i dont use XD

i play DT to chase numbers

then cry when i dont get it

[flat mist]

Yeah pretty much. That 60k got me two 17% toughness and more than three 3 stam

[stray mulch]

FIGHT

[mighty belfry]

a.a was right

[stray mulch]

ME

[mighty belfry]

21% health curios are just crazy rare for some reason

[stray mulch]

I SPENT ALL OF MY SAVED UP MELK POINTS

like almost 50k

and still none

[manic wolf]

Lul, but nah for real, I fuckin hate that new push skill, you block somethign an it sets it off which is super annoying

[flat mist]

Gl vs my superior stam, fivehead

[stray mulch]

wait is that why they've randomly popped near me after being shoved?

[mighty belfry]

oh another thing about forge's bellow that's quite nice, it makes it easier to deal with a daemonhost too

slowing attack patterns is lowkey really useful

[stray mulch]

especially since they attack faster in higher difficulties

[mighty belfry]

that and the shout ofc

for rits, i'd honestly just stay further back if i know there was a bugged ritual on the field

solely so that the dh is gonna target me

because i know i'll win

[near relic]

well, I can say for certain I can play scum at an H40 level.

27 deaths, counting the bots.

[jovial heron]

the bots?

[stray mulch]

I JUST GOT SCOLDED

for watching someone die because they wanted to sit and kill away from the team instead of moving to the next room with the team in expedition

[jovial heron]

https://giphy.com/gifs/Castaways-bad-spray-water-bottle-1BiOSmRVR6GiQtWNUc

[stray mulch]

just a rant but, if someone wants to do that, im obligated to watch them fail

im trying to win XD

not pad my numbers

[jovial heron]

https://giphy.com/gifs/weekend-playing-tell-us-7kMaysqdywPxS

https://giphy.com/gifs/kylo-ren-daisy-domergue-lucille-sharpe-Z5DB5iEJipjRC

MEDIOCRE

[spice cloud]

Yup. Had a guy yesterday running off alone an then go down. Didnt say anything the entire round while hes off alone. Now that hes down hes telling us :“ guys im right here! Plenty of loot on me. Next time dont split up!“

Told him to stfu thrn he left

Like hes not the one splitting off smh

[stray mulch]

I try really hard not to be toxic

but yeah, those types irk me

personally if i ever go down i would have no reason to blame anyone else

but saying its your fault or saying dont split up to the team is wild

feel like the same way people that want others to follow them dont realize that they should be staying close to their teammates

[spice cloud]

He had it coming

I am a very calm person but shit like that triggers me

He was arbitrator btw of course

Its allways the arbys i swear idk what it is

[gilded torrent]

arbitrator (mini ogryn) cant pull his own weight when he walks off alone

[stray mulch]

how did you know?!

[gilded torrent]

WELL... WELL... WELL...

usual suspects

[spice cloud]

Yeah

[stray mulch]

worst part is someone else died trying to help him when i was at the door. I watched that guy too

we are pressed for time and i can revive them inside

[spice cloud]

It makes them ocerconfident i think

[stray mulch]

but the arby actually almost made me tweak on mic

[spice cloud]

It do be like that sometimes

0 social awareness

[bronze glade]

that's so cool, thanks game

[reef spoke]

outplayed

[mighty belfry]

brutal

i mean

I guess it makes sense

[near relic]

crashes and DCs

[jovial heron]

https://giphy.com/gifs/reaction-mortal-kombat-mk-KCRlomzxILgofqokqH

[jovial heron]

ooooooooooooof

[near relic]

It was

a hard game

[mighty belfry]

also i just noticed this cultured loadout you're using

[bronze glade]

i have been converted to the cult of hammerblow dclaw

[mighty belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-gif-10341555270454130792

[bronze glade]

do you run sc + hammerblow?

[mighty belfry]

yes

[bronze glade]

i went all in with that

ok nice

seemed to be doing quite well

[mighty belfry]

It is so good

[bronze glade]

yea very safe, and good damage

[stray mulch]

you both recommend it for rampage?

[bronze glade]

yeah

rampage is important for rending and stagger from bellow

[stray mulch]

if i go d claw i was thinking of going dependancy but with no upgrades

because i want bellows instead of 15% crit

[bronze glade]

idk what build goblin was running but i was leaning heavy into stagger

[stray mulch]

yeah i was thinking stagger

[bronze glade]

rather than the usual crit dclaw build

[stray mulch]

oh nvm

i forgot the convo about street tough earlier

removed it and i can keep the crit

no toxic mania tho

this is waht im thinking for rampage d claw tbh

i like blackout too much maybe

[flat mist]

Hypex is pretty meh, better off with just kalma V

[stray mulch]

I think i like it for the 15 sec cd

[flat mist]

You get 14.7s cd with kalma V + 3 stack ChD

[stray mulch]

oh

dang

I assumed if you had permanent uptime on hypex it would be more CDR

[flat mist]

It is more

Its 12s

[stray mulch]

becasue it would be a total of 100% faster INSTEAD OF 50% FASTER

[flat mist]

But that almost never happens

[mighty belfry]

If it was 2s, it'd be okay

[flat mist]

Bc rampage is gonna drop when you have to disengage for some reason

[mighty belfry]

1s, nah

just isn't consistent enough

[stray mulch]

i'm also not using cdr atm because i dont have extra curios atm

and i didnt need crd on my booby trap build

but i have gotten 15s cooldown in havoc and auric before

just using the knives

shivs*

technically speaking i see why it would be worse, mostly because it requires kills and you wont always be using it for culling hordes

ty for the info

[flat mist]

17.3s with no curio cdr

(Kalma V + 3 ChD)

[stray mulch]

it makes sense, thank you

that small explanation is all i needed to change it tbh

[flat mist]

No worries

[near relic]

I've been doing Kalma V + 3 of the toughness regen ones

It's pretty nice

[stray mulch]

I need plasteel....

[jovial heron]

I’d donate if I could

Not a lot of mats in the wasted huh?

[near relic]

You stole them all

Thief.

[jovial heron]

Scuuuuum

Thief is my dad

[stray mulch]

I SPEND MORE TIME BUILDING THAN PLAYING

sadly

[jovial heron]

Oooooooooof

In fact

https://tenor.com/view/ricolino-scolari-gif-12061360726599077047

[stray mulch]

well ever since i came back

still trying to figure out the best way to make booby trap work

between 21s 27s and 45s with rending

thinking rending would only be useful in havoc because of add density

and the other 2 i can just use outside of that

[near relic]

21 or 27 for sure.

21s if you're in a havoc blight modifier

[stray mulch]

yeah the 21s is permanent uptime

27s is just 4% more str

[near relic]

Yup. And 7 stacks of toxin + a stagger + 200 base damage on demand

That will wipe elite packs in Havoc

Or get damn close

[stray mulch]

it does, which is nice, its also an on demand toughness regen for me

since im all out on dependency

in havoc i think ive gotten it back as fast as 10s

[near relic]

Yeah. My stimm supply build is 2 nodes of toughness regen/DR as well, so

Little bit of insurance for me and my team

But I think +str is also good

[stray mulch]

it affects the DoT

and cleave

which i need because bonesaw not using shock and awe

[near relic]

I was playing a bunch of melee and melee/stimm hybrid scum tonight. Had some hard games, but so it goes

[stray mulch]

stimm supply is a fun and safe build imo

alley cat kiting and nades make it safe

[near relic]

It does. I just value the defensive buff more for now. My opinion might change with time

[stray mulch]

if i went for defense it would only be 8%

[near relic]

I prefer pure melee scum, but stimm supply melee is quite fun as well. Booby trap hits right

[stray mulch]

i already get 20% DR from dependency, and 20% from Hive City Brawler

[near relic]

Is also for the team. And bonus toughness regen

[stray mulch]

needly pistol basically kills everything before they get into melee aside from crushers and bulwarks

[near relic]

I do much more stabbing than needling most of the time

I don't use Pickpocket, so ammo must be spent more carefully

[stray mulch]

50/50. needle deletes hoard, melee cleans up

did the math and the DoT kills hoards no matter what difficulty or modifyers they have, which is nice

as long as you kill 3 dudes

[near relic]

Stabbing is more satisfying for me

I rarely fire the AoE version of the needle unless I have a lot of ammo to spare and it's a chokepoint, or I otherwise really need the horde gone

[stray mulch]

fair. my shivs arent maxxed out yet

pitiful

also figuring out what perks to use

[near relic]

Mk1 shivs do work at any difficulty. They struggle a little bit with something like M21st because of the nerfed cleave, but with the two hyper talents you can still hack through them decently well

I like Uncanny + Riposte.

[stray mulch]

i think i rather settly on 70% crit XD but ill change the blessings later. Just want to see how this combo feels

[near relic]

67% is the crit breakpoint for a guaranteed crit every 2 attacks

Because of how crits work in this game

[stray mulch]

well i cant really go lower than 70 if im using float like a butterfly i think

unless i dont proc it

[near relic]

Crit on dodge can honestly be unreliable sometimes. As with all dodge nodes

[stray mulch]

^

i wanna just swing

the base damage and finesse can be enough, i can just scale the toxin on top

[near relic]

This is my current melee build

Feels very good to use

[flat mist]

I like taking two nodes in a tree, but my min-maxer brain rot cant handle taking the third one at 3x the cost of the first

[near relic]

I think it only adds 6 seconds?

[flat mist]

Yeah they're 2/4/6/8/10

[near relic]

Yeah, 51s vs 57s

[flat mist]

I found adrenaline sat at ~60% uptime like you have it set up and ~90% uptime with the on kill node

[near relic]

I am still experimenting a bit. This build allowed for a semi-duo of H40