hivescum-class

[main wagon]

Watching an entire stairwell turn green when they chain detonate

[spice cloud]

Also new gunlugger absolutely melts the new boss

He had no chance

[near mauve]

i cant even see his moveset everytime he showed up he got bodied

bosses in this game are such a meme

[flat mist]

If you do X overkill you are going to do X+X/4 overkill after that. Its literally infinite.

[river skiff]

That is not how the cleave works

Every subsequent target gets less damage

If you happen to kill them through hyperviolence they will not get much overkill dmg nor they will live to proc the next round of it

[mighty belfry]

Hyperviolence flatly adds the damage to the next target

It's why it's so good with Brutal Momentum

It doesn't go through diminishing returns through cleave distribution.

[flat mist]

Why are we talking about cleaved targets?

[mighty belfry]

It even allows you to completely ignore cleave caps.

[lavish bronze]

3x health of all bosses but captains

[flat mist]

Maybe youre making the same incorrect assumption i made when scum released. If you get 400 overkill for a 100 damage buff and then get a 200 overkill, you still have 100 damage buff for the remainder of the 1s

[mighty belfry]

It's why BM Tac axe and rashad axe are so incredibly good at horde clear beyond what classes usually can do with it.

[river skiff]

Because that is how we play the game? Who is trying to one shot every single enemy in a horde with a heavy attack if you can cleave them instead?

[flat mist]

But this isnt a conversation about practical application

Thats been repeated multiple times

[river skiff]

I was talking about it since the very beginning jeez

[flat mist]

"It scales quite hard but it has a cap to it"

That was the beginning

Theres no cap.

[river skiff]

Cough cough

[mighty belfry]

But that isn't true though

Hyperviolence doesn't work that way.

Enemy HP isn't a cap for the damage because it ignores cleave distribution.

[river skiff]

It does unless cleave works differently

[flat mist]

The cleave is irrelevant. You always have a first target.

[mighty belfry]

It changes the way cleave works.

The damage that you attain from hyperviolence, again, is not affected by cleave distribution.

Therefore, enemy HP can't be a cap once you hit a certain threshold.

[river skiff]

Wdym?

[mighty belfry]

[flat mist]

Attack does 1000 damage + 500 hv damage to first target = 1500 damage

[mighty belfry]

Cleave distribution is the value that dictates how much damage you will do to a cleaved target after the first target.

Which is the thing that makes it do less damage.

[river skiff]

I got that much

[flat mist]

Attack does 50% damage to second target so 1000×0.5+500 hv damage = 1000

[mighty belfry]

Hyperviolence is completely unaffected by this value.

Therefore, whatever overkill you get on that target, is what you're getting.

It does not go through any sort of distribution loss.

[river skiff]

No wait

[mighty belfry]

It's why it can ramp up to the point where it can outright one shot bosses.

[flat mist]

It can do that without cleave though

[mighty belfry]

The point I'm making though is that if enemy HP was a cap because of cleave distribution, that would be completely impossible.

But, it actually is possible.

Because the damage can ramp infinitely.

[flat mist]

But you can just ramp infinitely off of single target hits

[mighty belfry]

brother, I'm saying this negates the claim that enemy HP is a cap at all

Because if it was, it wouldn't be able to ramp the way it can.

[flat mist]

I dont quite understand you, but im sure youre right

Oh you mean practicably

[mighty belfry]

Yeah. In practicality, you're always going to be cleaving. That's just how the game works. And based on the claim of enemy HP being a cap by the metric of cleave loss, that would mean the damage would not be able to ramp infinitely.

But, as it stands, the damage can ramp infinitely.

[river skiff]

I understand that it is flat increase to dmg in later targets all I am saying is that if the base gets lower due to cleave distribution resulting excess dmg will be lower at some point as you reach equilibrium between total hp and the stuff you are dealing for example lets say 5 target base cleave distribution is 100 and hyperviolence dealt 500 to all other characters before (for the sake of simplicity) if this target has 600 total hp and you hit it you will instantly kill it without overkill

[mighty belfry]

The base getting lower will not matter if your damage snowballs enough.

[river skiff]

I get it

That is the point of using the talent

[mighty belfry]

That's what I mean by "threshold"

[flat mist]

Yes but you still have a first target on your next strike even if somehow hv didnt scale

[mighty belfry]

It will be capped by enemy HP until a certain point where you're just doing so much overkill that most of the damage you're actually doing is the overkill from hyperviolence.

[flat mist]

Only overkilling the last target by 20 damage doesnt reset HV to 5 damage

[river skiff]

It does not

[flat mist]

It still has the 500 damage you used in your example

[river skiff]

It caps it to some extent above baseline - higher than what you would otherwise do but unable to scale to absurd amounts through cleave - if you had no cleave distribution the scaling on that thing could one shot bosses even if it only has 1 second now it can only go up to a crusher

[mighty belfry]

I have literally one shot Rodin in a havoc 40 before

[river skiff]

That is crazy what? LOL

[flat mist]

It depends on the ratio of your base damage to hv damage

[mighty belfry]

Don't get me wrong, I was fighting for my god damned life during the matter. It was in the tunnels at the beginning of uh

I forgot the name

I think it's Chasm Station?

But he was covered in a massive horde that I had to chew through, was well over 100 groaners and walkers. So I was trying to hit him while chewing at the horde at the same time

Pop his shield

Dead

I wish I recorded this

Shivs are op by the way

[patent bone]

Howdy yall, how be the reworked tree?

[mighty belfry]

And this was on a light, not a heavy lmao

[flat mist]

So bad, scum dead

[patent bone]

I haven't played the update yet so I just wanna see how much has changed

[river skiff]

BROKEN

It is so good

[patent bone]

Oh?

Now I'm gonna hop on

[upbeat pendant]

other than the fact you have to take at least one of the two stim talents, its good

[patent bone]

Not a problem I like Kalma

[mighty belfry]

i feel like, there was just one dude who has never played this class who decided to make the change there

[river skiff]

You get one free in place of extra toughness that is now built in

[mighty belfry]

i cannot fathom how they managed to put blessed stimms next to stimm crate

[flat mist]

Its literally free though

[mighty belfry]

and made it obligatory.

[upbeat pendant]

and if you want to take the crit coherency and desp, you need to take both stim talents

[flat mist]

They didnt think

Annoying that i have to skip crit aura for long lasting stimms

[river skiff]

Yeah it is dumb on the other hand I prefer it for melee more than 5 more seconds of stim

[flat mist]

But, still, its free

[slender gate]

chain weapons still dont work on hive scum properly, and with the new talent (kill elite spread toxin) it is not working too

meh

[flat mist]

Yup thats been an issue with a lot of talents for years now

[upbeat pendant]

yeah its fine for rampage and crate cause you can just get blessed to get either ability and its like whatever, its just you needing to take both for crit and desp that i dont like

[flat mist]

Thats pretty funny actually i hadnt thought of that

(Fuck despacito)

[mighty belfry]

Btw I got so shocked by this that I got distracted and trapped through a horde behind me and died immediately.

[flat mist]

Nerf hv

[mighty belfry]

Rollercoaster of emotions.

[slender gate]

with desperado u should play with shitty aura or with clearing stimm

some new talents are really good, but placing..

its strange

[flat mist]

The melee damage based on crit chance sure is in a weird spot

I suppose thats kind of the finesse/crit side

[hybrid veldt]

The next build i plan to make is a good run an gun build

The only good weapons imo

Are the duel uzi's

[upbeat pendant]

shredder and iag works too

[flat mist]

Other than the like 6 others yeah

[hybrid veldt]

The duel snubs felt too slow for me personally

[upbeat pendant]

yeah stubs are more of a melee offhand than a ranged primary

[hybrid veldt]

Dont get me wrong

The snub cosmetics will be insane

Surely they make 2 unique snubs

They'd look cool i think

[spice cloud]

Stubs are nice on desperado too

Unless u have weak fingers

[hybrid veldt]

No chance

Former 6* osu mania player

[hallow socket]

Actually ditching the hyper nodes for flat damage perks instead.

[hybrid veldt]

[hallow socket]

I have too many options now.

[hybrid veldt]

If this game was more like a arpg

We'd have some insane builds

[hallow socket]

Don't need a kill or crit at the most it's a Dodge for stupid damage.

In any game I like passive buffs.

Don't have to think.

[cunning hawk]

so was hivescum buffed? felt pretty strong but squishy before, but i never got super hard content

[woeful hill]

Buffed in nearly every regard that I could see

[cunning hawk]

oh dang nice

[woeful hill]

Extra damage talents

Easier pathing

[cunning hawk]

are they any more tough? i felt a BIT squishy if i made mistakes, which i often do because i'm a moron

[woeful hill]

I don't think the damage resistance was changed in any way

But earlier they changed the toughness stim

And made it damage res.

[cunning hawk]

nice, thank you

[mighty belfry]

Street Tough

Is absolutely bonkers actually.

[main wagon]

Accidentally gave us one of Ogryn’s talents

Oops

[hybrid veldt]

No

Scum talent as well

[dim moth]

right side tree is REAL

I have so much POWER

And instead I'm playing gunlugger because they have ammo now

[willow violet]

man i'd trade this entire new gamemode for a new psyker staff

thats how "good" it is

[spice cloud]

I would trade the entire psyker class for a new class. Thats how much i like playing with them.

[willow violet]

its allright u are allowed to be wrong

[mighty belfry]

they lost a bit of toughness damage reduction i think

but, that's fine really

[river skiff]

Ngl it's more annoying than challenging

Especially gunners in open areas

[upbeat pendant]

holy shit i love the tac axe why did i not use this earlier

[willow violet]

because hs has knives

[upbeat pendant]

i need to try knives now with the new perks

[lilac schooner]

revert pickpocket nerf

[willow violet]

nerf it more

[hybrid veldt]

whats this mod?

[lavish bronze]

Nerf it more

[light phoenix]

I wished pickpocket was more like Ranger Bardin, specials/elites dropping ammo when killed by Scum

[willow violet]

scoreboard

[hybrid veldt]

do i need emote events

with it?

or only mod loader?

thought of an idea

[upbeat gyro]

What kind of talent setup?

[hybrid veldt]

so i tested decapitator with a few nodes and the fact my crit is high since finesse procs on 1 shot with the talents

these 2 would proc the finesse rasing the overall crit dmg

however its just not reliable, since you have 1 second it dominates in hordes

but single target was not easy to get a proc even at full 4 dependancy stacks

[mighty belfry]

O

Inferno is in rotation now

[upbeat pendant]

this is shivs with the same build, its alright, i actually prefer taxe now

[spice cloud]

No

Were also gonna call it pickpocket fix from now on not pickpocket nerf

[lilac schooner]

it was only good for like autogun builds, i dont even need it for melee hs

[spice cloud]

Its still the exact same ability

If u cant do one melee kill go uninstall

[lilac schooner]

its way different buddy, it forces you to swap weapons and limits options to replenish ammo

esp if you put zero points into melee it makes it harder

[spice cloud]

No its not lmao

[upbeat pendant]

this was my build

[spice cloud]

Besides if u didnt waste all ur ammo on poxwalkers u wouldnt need pickpocket so often.

How do you get thru a mission with any other class?

[lilac schooner]

play psyker

[main wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/chris-farley-losing-my-mind-stress-gif-13962878

FINALLY

17% TOUGHNESS ON MY SCUM

[lilac schooner]

all I'm saying it changes gun hs playstyle completely its a big nerf, obv it wont affect melee hs as much

[mighty belfry]

you mean to tell me

you have to think?

[upbeat pendant]

trust its still okay, ive used it for a few runs and the pp nerf adds more flavour to the game then just holding m1, it obviously wont hit the same damage it used to but its definitely still good

[spice cloud]

No its not

I just disagree

One kill bro

Its ONE MELEE KILL

HOW HARD CAN U COPE?

[lilac schooner]

bro doesnt understand the game

[spice cloud]

Pfffff

Get outta here

[lilac schooner]

sometimes there are only ranged elites or no elites at all

[lilac schooner]

prenerf you could replenish ammo, post nerf you cannot

[upbeat pendant]

i mean it depends on what youre doing? h40 and auric exp have enough elites of both types

[spice cloud]

Huh?!?

[mighty belfry]

and specialists

[lilac schooner]

Yes, it's just marginally harder on a pure gun build compared to before is all I'm saying

[tulip ivy]

yeah hive scum needs a buff now that theyve nerfed pickpocket, worst performing class in the game

[upbeat pendant]

it is definitely but it wont kill pure gun builds, still really good especially in exp

[lilac schooner]

A. you don't have melee talents to kill them fast B. you have to switch weapons unlike before

[mighty belfry]

hypercritical

[spice cloud]

U cant tell me one melee kill is hard

How is that a big change?

[tulip ivy]

u rip ass with hive scum's melee regardless

[mighty belfry]

that's why it's usually a strong recommendation to have that on range builds

ranged scum isn't completely useless in melee like people seem to think

[lilac schooner]

Yes, but it struggles a bit more unless it's just a specialist

I'm talking about h40 only

[spice cloud]

U gotta learn to manage ur ammo

Maybe play some veteran first

[mighty belfry]

You're getting absolutely swarmed by specialists in h40 tho lmao

[spice cloud]

To learn the game

[lilac schooner]

True, but you gotta swap your weapons now at least and run up to them possibly out of cover

I don't think it's worth it to play gun hs might as well run psyker

[tulip ivy]

why do hive scum whine so much about this change

[spice cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-okay-umm-awkward-situation-huh-gif-5850917

[lilac schooner]

Like I don't see the pros of it over just playing psyker

[mighty belfry]

i see your game, funny man

[spice cloud]

This is

[tulip ivy]

why dont we cry about gunlugger ogryn's ammo management

[willow violet]

cuz its only slightly better

its still a mostly auric build

[lilac schooner]

I'm not a gun hs main or anything, it's just I see the pickpocket change is a huge nerf to that type of build

[spice cloud]

Great

[willow violet]

it was completely overpowered bro

[spice cloud]

Its not tho

[willow violet]

free ammo makes no sense

its still giga strong

[lilac schooner]

I think the arguement is that psyker also has infinite ammo in the same way

[tulip ivy]

wow a slight nerf to free ammo to the most overpowered class

[willow violet]

syker is a class which was made for that

HS was just op with the tlaent

thats like comparing water to wind

[tulip ivy]

are hive scum just too stupid to weapon swap to use 1 or 2 heavies to kill an elite/specialist

[spice cloud]

Not even a nerf more like a fix

[upbeat gyro]

Im glad i got to play the full-on-dakka-dakka HS before it got nerffed, kinda got tired of it already so im fine with it personally

[lilac schooner]

I mean psyker still tops the damage charts, gun hs has no way to deal with armor unlike psyker

[spice cloud]

Wrong

Thats just not true man

[mighty belfry]

oh my

[lilac schooner]

yes a limited blitz is the best way when armor is on every encounter in h40

[spice cloud]

Shivs?

It takes 3 heavy attacks

For a crusher

[lilac schooner]

on a gun build man

[spice cloud]

With no buffa

YES IN A GUN BUILD

U SILLY MAN

[lilac schooner]

it takes like 7-9 heavies

in h40

[spice cloud]

No

[tulip ivy]

its almost as if its intended to be a struggle

[lilac schooner]

yes it was, gun hs cannot deal with armor efficiently

[spice cloud]

I cant help u man i think u just wanna whine anout something thats really not an issue at all

[lilac schooner]

I think you just can't accept it was an actual nerf

[tulip ivy]

for that hive scum is still overpowered 🤷

[lilac schooner]

yeah they buffed melee hs a ton so yes they are op still

[tulip ivy]

1-2 heavies and a special is dead, really not an issue on a very mobile and fast class

[spice cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-rage-bait-lol-lmao-gif-3554026694133497645

[upbeat gyro]

You both have point, you just approach it differently, maybe chill. I say this as someone who just got stranger's finger in my ass 1h ago, im the one who should be grumpy

[tulip ivy]

oh man my free ammo talent node needs a bit more effort to have free ammo! aw shucks! buff it so i can again play without thinking!

[lilac schooner]

I don't get why that's bad compared to psyker

[tulip ivy]

lets make all classes the same

[lilac schooner]

don't tell me "thats how the class was designed"

because they designed hs with this talent too

[upbeat gyro]

Maybe both were/are issue, as much as ranged HS deserved a nerf, so does inferno spam

And dots in general

[lilac schooner]

I think yes, it was oppressive on lower difficulties, but in h40 it really was just a gimmick cause it has no way to deal with armor efficiently

maybe that's why people hate it so much because they play the lower difficulties

[upbeat gyro]

Gonna go test that new talent that pushes enemies away in melee for HS

[mighty belfry]

Extremely good talent.

Class defining even.

[lilac schooner]

zealot has that too, I can't tell how often I use it

[mighty belfry]

It's not the same at all.

Zealot only pushes back attacker.

[mighty belfry]

Street Tough pushes everything away.

In a radius

[upbeat gyro]

Hmmm, mod issues, just updated em all

[lilac schooner]

apparently framework wasnt working?

[willow violet]

turn off ratios it careshes the game in sanctuary

thhe one which shows how much ammo packs have left

[lilac schooner]

I can see like a knockback build with the hs discount shout

[upbeat gyro]

This was just getting into lobby in main ship, instant

[tulip ivy]

no talents, with shivs on hive scum you 2-3 shot scab ragers

[mighty belfry]

Makes melee scum way safer

[lilac schooner]

I think add 1-2 more hits in the head that's h40 breakpoint

which is tough to do when there's a pack of them

[tulip ivy]

i dont see how that is such a huge issue for free ammo infinitely

[lilac schooner]

You'll have to do that every other magazine with the shredders/autogun it's just not very efficient

on the needle gun though you get a lot of ammo back

[upbeat gyro]

I guess solution is to go more hybrid maybe then?

So you can hold your own in melee too and not spam every trash horde but melee em

[lilac schooner]

I run melee hs without pickpocket even before the nerf so yes it's not really worth grabbing

unless you were pure gunscum which is dead in the water now

[tulip ivy]

oh no 3-4 heavies and i get free ammo again how terrible

[lilac schooner]

You're understating it, but yes its terrible now, just play psyker for ranged only* gameplay

[patent bone]

Is pickpocket bugged? I kill specials but my ammo doesn't replenish

[tulip ivy]

almost as if psyker is designed to be ranged

[lilac schooner]

almost as if hivescum was too

[willow violet]

no he wasnt

he was designed as a hybrid

[willow violet]

even with his range build

[upbeat gyro]

Melee part is added this patch

[lilac schooner]

They nerfed pickpcket

[patent bone]

Ah. I misread

[willow violet]

HS was never designed as a full range class

[tulip ivy]

you have to melee instead of shoot into enemies braindead

[patent bone]

UP CLOSE IT IS

[tulip ivy]

thats the spirit

[tulip ivy]

idk man hive scum has loads of melee talents

[lilac schooner]

I mean the game specifically lets you build however uou want you could have taken zero melee talents before

[tulip ivy]

• melee based ability

[lilac schooner]

And it specifically added a talent that gave you infinite ammo so yes it was designed like that

[willow violet]

no read the tlaents again

hs has only close range dmg bonuses

[patent bone]

Can't go wrong with dual guns!!

[lilac schooner]

It's ranged build was a close range gun build yes

[tulip ivy]

psyker has a melee damage node somewhere im sure

does that mean psyker is designed as a melee

[upbeat gyro]

There are psyker knight melee builds that are fairly common

[lilac schooner]

It means it has a melee build designed yes

lol

[river skiff]

It does not

[upbeat gyro]

Popular in gameslantern and also in pinned guides

[tulip ivy]

psyker does have a melee build, yeah, but its not really designed to have one imo 🤷

[river skiff]

One node does not justify the whole archetype unless it is giga busted

[lilac schooner]

It's way more than one

theres a lot of melee psyker talents

[upbeat gyro]

Ngl, will sometimes miss going full auto on my Vraks and 99%+ just dakkadakka through mission, but atleast i got to have fun with it before nerf hit

And nerf was deserved

[tulip ivy]

now to nerf melee hive scum too

[lilac schooner]

go back to #ogryn-class

[tulip ivy]

why?

can i not chat wherever I want?

[lilac schooner]

worst takes imaginable

[river skiff]

It is so fun

I do not want em to nerf it

[tulip ivy]

oh yeah its fun for the hive scum playing it

not for the others playing with them

[lilac schooner]

It's high risk high reward

[tulip ivy]

infinite dodging is so risky omg

[lilac schooner]

dude you can play hivescum too you'd probably die a lot

[river skiff]

Not high risk

High ceiling high reward

[tulip ivy]

way ahead of ya

[river skiff]

I feel much safer on scum than with other classes since I have more dodges and faster refreshes

[tulip ivy]

pressing a or d then spacebar is so hard

[upbeat gyro]

Gave up Sample Collector for Street Tough

Gonna try "tanky melee" hivescum

[lilac schooner]

I've tried both the middle and right keystone, right is more consistent

[willow violet]

unbound is useless af pretty much

[river skiff]

If you spam it and end up without any you are screwed - it takes some experience to get the full value out of that class since it is not conventionally tanky - which is why they are buffing it - new players are dying cuz they dunno the mechanics of the game

[tulip ivy]

so that is a beginner skill issue and the more veteran, sweaty players are rewarded with an even more OP class

[willow violet]

to be fair its also a valid option that u cannot balance for us madlads with thousands of hours in the game

[lilac schooner]

after the dodge linger nerf its no longer that op to spam dodges towards gunfire

[willow violet]

cannot balance solely for the 1%*

[river skiff]

I feel like toxic renewal is better than unbound now that you have splash dmg

[lilac schooner]

it caps at two toxin stacks only

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah it scales higher, but why not both?

[river skiff]

You can take both if you wanna

I prefer more dmg but up to you

[upbeat gyro]

I feel i get lots toughness chip dmg in the Expeditions as melee scum going from ranged packs to another

So those regens per second help deal with it

Maybe in h40 or something they arent that good

I feel my dmg is already over the top for auric level

[lilac schooner]

I like the steady toughness gain type talents, though it is pretty slow regen

[upbeat gyro]

With Tac Axe

[tulip ivy]

sounds like normal hive scum to me

think we should nerf it

[lilac schooner]

On h40 I prefer just that straight dr from chem dependency than the adrenalime 5% toughness regen

[river skiff]

They are a company and this is paid class - they have somewhat of an incentive to make DLC classes pleasant experience for everyone as it impacts decisions about buying the next DLC class for that player

[upbeat gyro]

And hivescum got bad reviews as its not noob friendly

[lilac schooner]

I think he just wants to nerf everything thats not ogryn

ogryn got massively buffed be happy

[upbeat gyro]

Ogryn could have used still bit more tbh

[tulip ivy]

oh man i want one of the most op classes to be nerfed?

im such an asshole man... how can i live with myself

[lilac schooner]

Psyker is probably the most OP go there

[tulip ivy]

3-4 heavies for free ammo is such a build killer

[lilac schooner]

ya still on that?

[upbeat gyro]

Well if previously you never had to melee, now having to melee every 10s is quite the change, yet i agree nerf was deserved

[river skiff]

Jokes on you I do not even use PP

[willow violet]

part of the problem while the game feels stale are because hte classes got overbuffed so the only way to challenge ppl is to lineup armored 1shots from wall to wall

[upbeat gyro]

And you might not have suitable target nearby every 10s for the melee hits

[lilac schooner]

It's easy in the psykanium but its not as free in h40s unless its a lone specialist

[tulip ivy]

your dodges are a kilomete long, i think youll be fine

[upbeat gyro]

Actually, i tried the even longer dodges, and cliffed myself

Back to just having faster dodges instead

[tulip ivy]

then thats on you, really

[river skiff]

Yeah I dislike em personally

Too much for melee

[lilac schooner]

This patch was a lot of nerfs so it's getting better

[mighty belfry]

what have u guys used with longer dodge distance

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah point being the longer dodges were actually too long

[mighty belfry]

just curious

[lilac schooner]

psyker shield only got hit though, while vet got plasma and shout nerfed (again)

[river skiff]

I will probably use chain axe with it at some point

LOL

[tulip ivy]

ogryn received a slight nerf too on loyal protector

[upbeat gyro]

Arbi toughness regain talent went from 10% to 7.5% too

[tulip ivy]

but the worst nerf of all was pickpocket

[upbeat gyro]

But mostly this patch was buffs, besides obvious pickpocket infinite ammo spam

[mighty belfry]

cuz extra dodge distance

[lilac schooner]

I don't see anything on LP?

[mighty belfry]

with heavy sword

it's peak

[river skiff]

I like it

[tulip ivy]

went from 2.5% cooldown regen to 2% on stagger

[river skiff]

Makes more sense than telephatic pickpocketing from before

[lilac schooner]

Oh the subnode for it

[tulip ivy]

yeah shouldve said subnode thats my bad

[tulip ivy]

got them long ass arms reaching for the ammo

[upbeat gyro]

Should make the player teabag the corpse to gain the ammo too

[river skiff]

LMAO

That would be hilarious

[lilac schooner]

I think it should be like CoD ammo pickups from enemies

[tulip ivy]

make it a 3 second animation

[verbal dew]

having to pick stuff up in the middle of a horde is not fun

[river skiff]

Okay to be fair they could add animation to it but 3 seconds is too long

[upbeat gyro]

All in all id say really nice patch and game content addition, i was losing bit of steam as i reached my goal of H25 black armor set and was playing anymore like once a week

Still think they need to add H40 cosmetic set too, so id get reason to grind there too

[lilac schooner]

I haven't played in a while and dropped to H37 from decay

😭

[upbeat gyro]

I just did my first havocs in january or so i think, returned to game after 2 year break

[verbal dew]

don't worry, they reset havoc anyway

so you're 30 now

[lilac schooner]

2 years dam

[verbal dew]

do it for the fun

[upbeat gyro]

2023 itemization lottery was wild

[upbeat gyro]

I might, since i suddenly got more time

[lilac schooner]

Back in the good days when making weapons took effort

[verbal dew]

like the skill goes up once you're just running h40s

[tulip ivy]

just say you became unemployed

[river skiff]

Actually glad I have not played at that time

[spice cloud]

How much ammo do u have to waste to need pp every ten seconds lmao

[upbeat gyro]

No i dropped my gf last weekend

[tulip ivy]

nothing wrong with saying that, most of us playing darktide are

[upbeat gyro]

Too much drama to handle

[tulip ivy]

congratulations on your newfound freedom bro 💪

[river skiff]

Same here

Lol

[lilac schooner]

It gives you like one mag for autoguns and shredder APs, needle gun gets at least like 2-3 mags

[spice cloud]

It gives u 3 mags

for iag

Atleast

20% is not just one mag

LOL

[upbeat gyro]

And i got first touch of a female already today. (Doctor's appointment, pants down, finger in)

[tulip ivy]

living the life huuh

i wouldnt complain about that, youre getting your money's worth

[river skiff]

https://giphy.com/gifs/benjammins-overshare-quite-the-nNKSL8y8pTRnJlWqy3

[upbeat gyro]

Gotta share losing butt virginity somewhere instead of bottling it all up

[spice cloud]

It sounds like u where violated

[lilac schooner]

Oh yeah it's 2 for dual shredder aps, 742/5 is 148ish and it holds 64 bullets per mag

[upbeat gyro]

Wonders of western medicine i guess "oh you have this? well maybe we should just stick finger up your bum to make sure it aint that"

[tulip ivy]

would you rather smoke some random herb that has a chance of killing you or some other weird ritual

[upbeat gyro]

Those 80s pseudo-satanist-pagan rituals usually involved naked women in a circle at night, wouldnt mind one of those

[lilac schooner]

then potential dismemberment

[tulip ivy]

id rather take the finger up the ass to be fair

less drama with the mrs

[spice cloud]

Infact yes

Ill take smoking the random herb

Over buttfinger

Tbh

[tulip ivy]

50% chance of dying, 50% chance of having the worst night of your life and survive it

no clue if thats accurate, but some of these tribes ive seen on discovery channel smoke some random shit or ingest as a ritual or healing

[spice cloud]

My body is attuned to narcotics ill survive

[upbeat gyro]

This is hivescum channel

[tulip ivy]

well too bad, they post farming simulator in the ogryn channel too

[upbeat gyro]

Im more of a stardew valley farmer myself

[tulip ivy]

dont play either of those games

minecraft, on the other hand

[upbeat gyro]

Stardew Valley is comfy as 2-player splitscreen co-op

[tulip ivy]

oh so you play on console?

[leaden pendant]

i was thinking about caving and buying ARK again

[upbeat gyro]

PC

[tulip ivy]

fair enough

[tulip ivy]

dont do it, not worth thousands of hours of your time

[leaden pendant]

lol i know i know

[upbeat gyro]

Got my big TV hooked as 3rd monitor, got usb hub for controllers near it

[tulip ivy]

do you not fear your electricity bill

[flat mist]

This is so dumb holy

[upbeat gyro]

I actually should change provider as my electricity bills are way oversized compared to consumption

[tulip ivy]

even more reason to not have 3 monitors in this day and age

[upbeat gyro]

Well the TV one isnt on unless i need it as its another side of the room

Doubt GPU spends much keeping it on without nothing going on there

[tulip ivy]

doesnt take much if any yeah

2 monitors even though god damn haha

[upbeat gyro]

2 has practical use if you for example following youtube tutorial on other and doing it on the main

[tulip ivy]

yeah i used to have 2

but then i saw the electricity bill

[upbeat gyro]

Occasionally do music as hobby so its comfy to have some synth preset tutorial going on youtube and being able to instantly replicate it without having to alt+tab between em constantly

[tulip ivy]

alt tabbing is part of the fun, burns calories

[upbeat gyro]

Anyways gotta get going, first they want my butt, next up my pee, im not so sure this western medicine thing differs that much from witchcraft after all. Next they want maybe lock of hair for voodoo doll

[tulip ivy]

unacceptable we have to pay for pee online but these doctors get paid for collecting it

good luck son

[austere coyote]

crowbar changes any good?

[unreal stirrup]

on god street tough need to be removed

I got away with so many dumb shit

[vapid jungle]

Does it knock crushers back

[foggy lantern]

Hyper-Critical being excluded is utter dogshit, because that punishes you for taking a talent that has the most benefit for melee builds anyway.

[unreal stirrup]

eh even with it blinder still regen fast anyway

also blinder require close range kill

so dot doesn't count make sense

they also don't proc other close range talent

iir

[rotund agate]

I like taking Channelled Destruction (crit chance gives melee damage) on my chaxe chemdep build, but idk how many stacks I tend to have because it always shows 10 regardless of my actual current crit chance...

[granite verge]

Splash Damage is currently insane value for a single talent point, even if Hyper Critical doesn't proc it

[unreal stirrup]

hypercrit doesn't proc on kill talent

what make them think it gonna proc splash damage lol

[rotund agate]

if only revs could count as melee attacks...

[granite verge]

No idea, that's been the way it's been since Hive Scum release

[unreal stirrup]

still good to run both of them on knife because splash damage proc help with hypercrit

[rotund agate]

I use Splash Damage only on my Hsword build, because my other melee build (the chaxe chemdep one) gets slightly less consistency from it...

[granite verge]

Check the psykanium again and make sure you aren't stuck on the buffs when you might have swapped different builds. The stacks were showing for me earlier. You can easily get the max 30 if you focus into crit on the build.

If the stacks aren't adjusting dynamically, reset your psykanium session.

[rotund agate]

I got stuck on 10 visually-shown stacks in a recent Expeditions match...

[astral canyon]

I'd say to run chem dep instead of adrenaline for shivs

The extra crit chance is really effective with how high its finesse damage is

[wheat brook]

How are desperado builds holding up after the changes? My friend has been really struggling

[spice cloud]

Still the exact same

Overall the class got massive buffs

[kind ice]

Desperado builds have felt better even, got points left to put into more defense or melee abilities compared to last patch

non-desperado felt the pickpocket nerf the hardest, but its still a great talent

[astral canyon]

Eh not really

Its more the other way around

Full gun desperado builds were the most affected while melee builds didnt get affected at all

[wheat brook]

I was doing havoc 30 and just asked my teammates to let me kill close elites/specials to restore needle pistol ammo but unfortunately for bonesaw enjoyers if the chem toxic kills them you get no ammo

Usually there is at least something to swing on for pickpocket

[spice cloud]

The first mistake is using Pp on a melee build anyway

[kind ice]

I don't feel the pickpocket change at all with desperado since you get plenty of ammo from that. It depends how much you were shooting before on your other builds too

[kind ice]

Getting a few tox needles back still worth it to me on my rampage shiv build

[spice cloud]

No

Not really imo

The needler is very ammo efficient anyway

[kind ice]

To each their own, i mean infinite ammo still means you aren't hogging from your teammates

[spice cloud]

Ure not hogging lol

U meed like one ammo bag per mission

At maximum

[kind ice]

Compared to needing zero and still being able to use my ranged weapon to take out specialist at times. PP still worth it for my playstyle, huge value out of infinite ammo despite the changes

[spice cloud]

If u use ur needler on anything but crushers and bosses ur doing something wrong imo

[wheat brook]

It reminds me of the recon lasgun where you can get by with like 1 or 2 big packs and leave all the ammo for your buddies

The Ogryns need to be fed

[spice cloud]

Beside if i have a vet in the team i dont need a single ammo drop

[wheat brook]

Yeah that too

[spice cloud]

With any class

Theres also HS ammo aura nobody wants to use

[kind ice]

Of course but assuming pub play can't be making your builds around a vet

[kind ice]

Fatshark really were cooking when they made that one

[spice cloud]

Ammo aura for HS?

Well u complain about ammo why dont u use it lmao

Smh

[wheat brook]

I used it prior to the talent tree rework but dropped it because of the forced +5s Chem talent that came with the tree rework

[kind ice]

Cause pickpocket exists

[spice cloud]

Bit its so bad no?

Its nerfed to the ground basically no?

[kind ice]

It's fine, felt like a deserved change and with what buffs the rest of the hive scum tree got with the melee and defense talents i find it still very valuable

especially when they added this badboy in

[wheat brook]

Not really noticing its absence, pickpocket is enough with my build

[unreal stirrup]

genuinely pp nerf doesn't exist

street tough and splash damage is our 9/11

this class is just cannon

[kind ice]

running around with desperado full ranged immunity + street tough for the melee safety net i do feel like a god

and the 50% dodge distance

[foggy lantern]

Hypercrit should proc on-kill effects. I realize that it doesn't, but it logically fucking should.

Most people who read the talent are not going to know how many things are excluded from proc when Hypercrit happens, and are going to take it on a crit-chance build only to unknowingly nullify other talents and blessings they may have taken.

Talents should do what their fucking descriptions say they will do. If there are exclusions, those exclusions need to be listed in the talent itself. You should not need to datamine to figure out your fucking build synergy.

[unreal stirrup]

logically yeah gameplay wise it shouldnt

especially now with splash damage existing

[astral canyon]

Hypercrit does work for sample collector

[unreal stirrup]

sample collector is depend on enemy with toxin dying

they just need to have toxin on them

[astral canyon]

No?

Sample collector gives 1% for all kills

Kills with the tox DoT just get an extra 1%

[unreal stirrup]

I'm illiterate

I thought sample only work on toxined enemy

[astral canyon]

If the enemy has tox but gets killed by something else its still just the 1%

[foggy lantern]

Gameplay wise, Hypercritical absolutely should. The perk kills things instantly, if specific circumstances are met (current HP under 2x total crit damage). Splash damage adds 2 stacks to each enemy in 10m when it procs. Big fucking whoop, that's largely going to be anti-horde. Splash damage specifies you have to kill an elite with a melee attack. If you Hypercrit with melee attacks and kill an Elite, then Splash Damage should proc.

[unreal stirrup]

1 shotting 20 mauler in a row because hypercrit + splash damage proc is totally balanced

[foggy lantern]

So is a whole wave of like 20 fucking maulers/crushers with rotten armor modifier.

[unreal stirrup]

rotten armor have damage res so you can't 1 shot them anyway

but yeah rotten armor dogshit

[rugged geode]

How do I become the emperors greatest tweaker

[unreal stirrup]

havoc

[torpid cloud]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a11beeb9-46df-491c-9d95-00472d7e2cc1/crowbar-6

should i run this one

[foggy lantern]

Chem toxin doesn't crit AFAIK, and even if it did, it's not a melee attack itself, so the DOT shouldn't be hypercritting anyway. You're not going to instantly 1 shot the mixed horde. The toxin needs time to work.

You might one-tick the chaff, but they're chaff.

[unreal stirrup]

are we even talking about the same thing

[hybrid veldt]

This is right

I tested it out myself

[astral canyon]

No

[unreal stirrup]

I was talking about how splash damage toxin help proc hypercrit easier

[unreal stirrup]

another one fall for the crowbar

[rugged geode]

Any good gun builds?

[foggy lantern]

1-shotting 20 mauler in a row is not the same thing as instantly killing 20 of them at once with a light melee attack, if the latter is what you are implying.

[unreal stirrup]

no?????

[rugged geode]

I was thinking about running this but maybe not

[unreal stirrup]

basic reading comprehension is dead

[foggy lantern]

Then what the fuck are you saying, exactly?

[unreal stirrup]

?????????????

[foggy lantern]

Reading comprehension isn't dead, you are not communicating the scenario in which hypercritical is overpowered for proccing splash damage.

[torpid cloud]

i just dont want to use the shivs or tac

[unreal stirrup]

knife

[astral canyon]

Caxe

[torpid cloud]

arthritis sim

[rugged geode]

Is the range build on here any good?

[unreal stirrup]

yeah except you're on class with consistently high crit chance and weapons with very high finesse modifier

[unreal stirrup]

boiled chicken

[astral canyon]

Chickened boil

[foggy lantern]

So fucking what? If a mauler at full hp was going to die to hypercritical in the first place, then splash damage isn't going to change that.

[rugged geode]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0aaf6c0-6b02-4472-b679-1a93866ad0a2/the-chemist-v2 this build any good?

[clear isle]

what talent was replaced by "burst of energy?"

[astral canyon]

None

We already had it

[clear isle]

damn

I guess I forgot it then, I had this on every build and never remembered it

is it worth a point? cuz now I can skip it from float like a butterfly

[astral canyon]

Yes

[clear isle]

aight thank you

[torpid cloud]

so why exactly should i not use the crowbar

[clear isle]

where is my sample collector

[torpid cloud]

right above ruffian aura

[clear isle]

perfect, thank you

[astral canyon]

Underwhelming and beak mode is too unsafe

[torpid cloud]

so its just shivs, the zealot knife, and taxe?

[astral canyon]

Latch attacks dont get to scale with attack speed buffs properly

[astral canyon]

Its any melee that isnt crowbar or bonesaw

[torpid cloud]

preferably one that can deal well with carprace huh

[astral canyon]

Thats the thing

[torpid cloud]

i wanna go quickdraw for gun

[astral canyon]

Melee scum has enough damage gigabuffs to make pretty much anything work into carapace

Plus you have boom

[torpid cloud]

did the stims get any changes? Also i was a ranged scum player before so i dont really know what they want on their stim when going melee

[clear isle]

could always use the chain axe

its mid at dealing with hordes but nice for carapace

[astral canyon]

Top left is no longer abysmal dogshit

[astral canyon]

Nah chaxe does hordes pretty well on scum

[clear isle]

which mark?

[astral canyon]

Either

Headtaker+slaughterer+rampage is just a fuckton of damage

I like the one with heavy sweeps tho

[clear isle]

that's the mark 4, same one I use

I put thunderous on mine though

the PA for it is also nice for hordes but since its a PA it runs out quick

[clear isle]

it's still outshined by the other trees though no?

[astral canyon]

Probably yeah

But its no longer a throw pick anymore

[clear isle]

I guess

Is this one new? it looks pretty damn good

like a free 15% for any melee crit build, wild

[astral canyon]

Yes

[astral canyon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a15474d5-b196-4e23-9c13-13dd6c0fe206/london-simulator-2026
Are there any talents i could swap for chem fortified or jittery?

[upbeat pendant]

prob nimble for jittery and virulent strain for chem forti, id go blessed instead of long lasting

[upbeat gyro]

Rashad is pretty good on carapace + hordes too, but on speedy class like this just feels tad wrong

[vapid jungle]

They messed up the nodes around auras man. Maybe you could drop the crit=damage talent? Or forget bellow maybe.

[upbeat gyro]

I would switch this

To this

Because Tertium Welcome is far more universal

[astral canyon]

I like punching above more for mixed hordes

[upbeat gyro]

Virulent Strain also seems kinda mid, sure its for whole team, but why not just some +15% to yourself or stronger talent?

[astral canyon]

As well as boosting toxin and ranged damage

[upbeat pendant]

yeah virulent strain is prob your first option to remove

[upbeat gyro]

Fair enough, i guess im biased also as im running Taxe or Caxe atm so you want that first hit dmg for brutal momentum

[astral canyon]

Im running shivs

[haughty trout]

Both? Both.

[main trellis]

Nah bro; dmg vs the most important enemies is better

[astral canyon]

I dont have the points for both lol

[upbeat gyro]

Well, are you gonna hit that monstrosity as 2nd or 3rd target on your swing or 1st?

[astral canyon]

I was thinking more of mixed hordes with rager groups

[upbeat gyro]

They both good and kinda overlap

[main trellis]

Overlaping ain’t bad bruv
Dropping that is a pepega choice

[upbeat gyro]

But like i said, easy choice as taxe & caxe user to go with the first hit as cleave doesnt matter with brutal momentum

Arguing with you is a pepega choice

[vapid jungle]

So many good talents

[astral canyon]

And like i said im not running axes im running shivs

[vapid jungle]

I just don't like the middle tree pathing.

[upbeat pendant]

you really have to choose and pick, alot of good things, and since youre using blackout you getting pocket toxin too

[vapid jungle]

Thats a good call maybe do rockets or nades with no toxin

Hrm but then you would want capacity

[lost ravine]

call me crazy but i would drop nimble and pocket tox

[vapid jungle]

Ahhhhh

[lost ravine]

just run with raw blinders

blinder tox less useful with perilous toxbustion anyway

[astral canyon]

Im actually considering dropping either pocket tox or splash

[upbeat pendant]

do not drop splash

[lost ravine]

splash is insane

[upbeat pendant]

pocket sure, but not splash

nimble too, trust you dont need it, get more damage

[lost ravine]

only ran nimble before for pathing tbh

[astral canyon]

Are the two stacks actually enough to kill poxwalkers?

I tested it in psykhanium and it wasnt enough

[lost ravine]

even if not, they will help fuel hyperviolence

[upbeat pendant]

yeah its just free damage

[astral canyon]

Ig

[lost ravine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1455745521435283679/1483479853075398788/image.png?ex=69bb6686&is=69ba1506&hm=d99c40cd44662dd71837482386bb2869c6a5b11cee4f1996a31a654f182193f8&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

all the tox here was splash

and coated

[upbeat pendant]

which module is the dmg type again?

i should enable to check mine

[lost ravine]

idk it has been forever since i have messed with the settings

i just like seeing a breakdown of what's what

[jaunty lava]

Which build?

[serene fox]

hyper crit reduces your blackout regen I think so there's some friction there

[upbeat pendant]

its aight ill go check mod page, should be there

[lost ravine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1444017590748975125/1483482432047939624/image.png?ex=69bb68ed&is=69ba176d&hm=b12957b647f3b48ac4010a414d9224087028540108429aff62706db0494da155&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[astral canyon]

Not dropping hypercrit

[main trellis]

Once you play alot you’ll know more… should atleast

[lost ravine]

dropping hypercrit is like
wot

when you waltz around with 35-75% crit

[astral canyon]

Dropped virulent and pocket, picked up jittery and fortified

[lost ravine]

"oh no less blinder regen" if that is even true, imagine not just instantly slaying whatever you touch

[astral canyon]

It is true

[lost ravine]

in that case it simply is what it is

[serene fox]

Right but not as much reason to build for blackout then I think so pocket tox can prob be dropped

cuz those kills also won't restore blackout

[astral canyon]

Splash damage tox also doesnt count apparently

[lost ravine]

any tox really

[astral canyon]

Except needler

[main trellis]

Good cause that talent is already op

[astral canyon]

Ye

[lost ravine]

hypercrit not counting feels a little silly but alas

[astral canyon]

I do feel like coated and bonesaw should get a pass tho

[lost ravine]

the others i can somewhat understand

[astral canyon]

And hypercrit too ye

[main trellis]

Funny; it does not mention haymaker blessing

[lost ravine]

hypercrit still works off of a ranged or melee attack

[main trellis]

[astral canyon]

I dont really see the reason why needler gets to work and they dont

[astral canyon]

Prob worth asking kuli

[jaunty lava]

using Bone Saw?

[main trellis]

Ye cause combat knife can use it & since hypercrit does not wirk i pressume haymaker does not either?

[lost ravine]

mk1 shivs

[main trellis]

@fluid ether mah man; question!
Will haymaker blessing proc work or won’t work for restoring blinders for HS? In the guide it does not specify & combat knife can use such a blessing

[hybrid veldt]

someone photo shop that basket ball image

[random shuttle]

which one?

[fluid ether]

instakills from Haymaker work, from Hyper-Critical don't

[hybrid veldt]

with the classes

[main trellis]

Yooooo!!!
Another W for the Haymaker!
Thank You my friend!
Don’t forget to put it in the guide! Keep up the good work!

[lost ravine]

only comes into play right after a splash proc and it won't last long anyhow, vs full uptime on 15% tdr and possible toughness gain outside of melee on stim use

toughness gen in melee is already covered by precision violence in conjunction with freakishly high crit and attack speed

[unreal stirrup]

jitter is one of the thing that isn't that good the more you think about it tbh

especially since scum get 1 more dodge

nimble also give more dodge linger so even less sense

[low harbor]

I take neither

[lost ravine]

same

nimble enough as it is

even without nimble

[upbeat gyro]

This is also the same channel that promotes at times 3x 3stam curio setup, so defensive tools arent held in that high regard as everyone apparently master dodger with perfect game sense and never making mistakes. Meanwhile, im not that good, so i take the defensive stuff first.

That extra 15% dmg node wont mean much if im dead

[upbeat pendant]

its all about balance for personal skill imo

[vapid jungle]

I think its just whatever youre comfortable with. They might eek out a bit more damage but as long as you are clearing who cares.

[upbeat pendant]

i used to run 3x hp, then slowly as i get more comfortable with melee scum style, i went down to 1x stam and 2x hp, now im at 2x stam and 1x toughness

[lost ravine]

the gigastamina setup does not have my seal of approval (it's extremely silly)

i run 2x toughness 1x hp

[upbeat gyro]

Got the same setup going atm

[main trellis]

What if you have no enemies around you & you get chipped? Chem forti gives you that boost when you need it + tdr

[astral canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/marge-i-just-think-theyre-neat-the-simpsons-neat-potato-gif-8549864

I just find jittery to be fun

[main trellis]

You take the dodge distance aren’t ya?

[wispy vault]

walking is for chumps, i just dodge slide all over the place

(my pinky finger is asking for the emperor's mercy)

[main trellis]

Mine 2

[low harbor]

Neither

[main trellis]

That shit is more straight than a trad family when i play

[low harbor]

[wispy vault]

me dodging into a ledge has also doubled since this update, what a strange coincidence

[main trellis]

Very good; you are not a (scum)bag

[low harbor]

I dropped both dodge talents for forge’s bellow

Because stagger is better than slightly better dodge

And max damage pretty much everywhere else I can

[modest patio]

Isn’t forge’s bellow a whole different line than jittery/numble/50% dodge distance?

To avoid those you’d have to take posture and ramping backstabs right?

Ramping feels worse than any of the dodge talents, posture feels fine but I’d rather the point somewhere else at the bottom then dropping another there

Unless you want the ammo aura I suppose

[astral canyon]

No

[bronze glade]

fellow bellow enjoyer 🤝

[warm axle]

by the time i got to try the updated hive scum last night, i was drunk as a skunk and stupidly refused to stop limit testing… that said, the new talent that pushes enemies around you is hilarious, it keeps your downed body around like 2x longer!

chem tox elite explosions with bonesaw is fun as hell, that sound effect when it procs is chef kiss 🤌

[wheat brook]

What have you guys been running in expeditions?

[rotund agate]

chaxe chemdep melee scum is my current favourite in general...

[unreal stirrup]

forgeslop

[bronze glade]

Gee I sure do hate my very powerful on demand double stagger!

[edgy finch]

I really don't understand the stim box. Why does it take my stim, but if I use my stim first, I can still use the box

Why do I have to manage this weird system

[lost ravine]

if stim is on cd it will not spread the stim effect

[edgy finch]

What the

Does it do anything at all?

[astral canyon]

it does the anti-corruption effects

[edgy finch]

Damn I been fucking it up big style

[lost ravine]

using stim via crate also immediately starts stim cd

as opposed to waiting for the effect to end for the cd to start

yooseful

[unreal stirrup]

been that since launch

[astral canyon]

doesn't the stimm cooldown start at the same time as crate's?

[lost ravine]

that's what i said yes

[mighty belfry]

Forges with Street Tough

Is one of the safest ways to play melee on this game now lol

[unreal stirrup]

street tough is enough imo

its pretty hard to get snowballed as scum after update

[mighty belfry]

On demand stagger on bosses

That also slows their attack patterns

Is really underrated

[unreal stirrup]

I mean yeah make sense

[rose flax]

Lol, imagine pickpocket was unchanged, with alley rat plus two extra effective dodges, ranged hive scum would be insane

[unreal stirrup]

I just can't find point for it

[mighty belfry]

Makes dealing with a chaos spawn in a tense situation so much much doable

[unreal stirrup]

maybe if i only drop 20s adrenaline

but i like running it with weak point stack for bossing

since the other one require kill

[lost ravine]

immune to rager
immune to dog
kill everything

[mighty belfry]

Also mutants with bellow

[lost ravine]

mutie immunity mostly less relevant than dog immunity

muties range from actively beneficial to Instant Death

[mighty belfry]

Idk. I've been saved from Mutants before

Or moreso gunners shooting at me while I'm being grabbed

[lost ravine]

Yes

or dragged into spicy floor

[rose flax]

I mean, just take regained posture then if you lose so much stamina
Has no cool down nor internal cool down, so it can proc unlimited amount of times in one dodge

[mighty belfry]

I also have to say

I was right

Some weapons do like alley rat more than nimble

[lost ravine]

impossible

[mighty belfry]

Heavy sword alley rat dodges feel way better than nimble ime

[lost ravine]

my weapons like neither because it was a pathing node before and it isn't anymore

[mighty belfry]

It's essentially extra movement speed

And Heavy sword isn't the fastest weapon

[tender forge]

I need to redo my chem build

Love me gas

[unreal stirrup]

I just find it extremely overkill when dodging back because in 90% of the time you're way out of range after dodge

[mighty belfry]

This why I never dodge back

I'm always dodging sideways

[unreal stirrup]

even with nimble you can still stay in rnage

but im alway out of range with alley rat

[mighty belfry]

With what weapon

[unreal stirrup]

caxe lol

it's not the slowest weapon but it do need some help

[mighty belfry]

Cuz I've been experiencing an opposite case where I've been able to close distance way better on things I actually wanna kill

[manic wolf]

So how cracked is Scum now

[astral canyon]

yes

[manic wolf]

Good good

Business as usual

[mighty belfry]

I think scum may have taken 2nd best class spot bare minimum

[manic wolf]

Wait they werent already the best class?

Coulda fooled me

[astral canyon]

psyker

[unreal stirrup]

psyker exist

[mighty belfry]

Not when psyker exists ya

[manic wolf]

Scum was competative with Psyker DPS before new tree

[unreal stirrup]

they don't even need to interact with the melee system

[manic wolf]

Second question.. did update break all the mods again?

[unreal stirrup]

literally every major update fuck every mods

I also want my shit back

[neat delta]

Update ur mods

[unreal stirrup]

I have like 20+

also holy shit after uninstalling scoreboard for powerdi my fps is way higher on average

• for some reason potrait fuck performance hard

[manic wolf]

Thats weird cos PowerDI makes my game shit the bed

[unreal stirrup]

disable auto save

its on by default

[upbeat pendant]

for me, only two broke out of 50

[manic wolf]

Yeah I had that off, but it would throw up OOM errors after every other match

[unreal stirrup]

yeah idj

[upbeat pendant]

oven scoreboard got an update too

[unreal stirrup]

I don't use scoreboard anymore also because its inflated as hell

[manic wolf]

Scoreboard, Crit chance an FullAuto are the only ones i really give a shit about tbh

[upbeat pendant]

i use it to feel good about myself 🥀

[unreal stirrup]

skitarius > full auto tbh

[upbeat pendant]

fullauto broke for me i think? it became bursts

[manic wolf]

All i use it for is firearms, i dont want macros for anything else

[unreal stirrup]

It still better for firearms

[manic wolf]

Thats pretty weird

[unreal stirrup]

also for some reason i play better without macro on melee

lmao

[manic wolf]

Granular control do be like that

[unreal stirrup]

I only use it for pa spam on knife and single target on dclaw

[marble seal]

I thought scum was better before, but now they’re about equal with psyker after pickpocket nerf

[manic wolf]

Pickpocket nerf seems like more of a slap on the wrist than an actual nerf

It should have had its shins broken

[marble seal]

They’ll neva do that

[unreal stirrup]

you won't feel it unless you use dap

[manic wolf]

Sadly

[unreal stirrup]

they have no problem nerfing crunch to the ground though

[manic wolf]

Though them nerfing Vet's ammo aura repeatedly for years an then putting Pickpocket on Scum was just about the wildest U-Turn Fatshark has pulled with this game

[unreal stirrup]

even when it not even that good

since hp buff

[marble seal]

Classes have to wow you to sell

[manic wolf]

They do?

They can't just be fun and well designed?

[mighty belfry]

I mean it's very obvious the class didn't sell as well as they wanted it to

[brittle sierra]

No this is gaming in 2026

[marble seal]

Fun for the average player is power

[mighty belfry]

We're not the majority. The average player doesn't want to get their balls stomped on constantly.

[marble seal]

Enjoying gameplay mechanics is secondary to majority of people

It is what it is

[mighty belfry]

And scum was very good at enabling the average player to do exactly that

[manic wolf]

Weak. Nothing like a stilletto to the ballsack every once in a while

[mighty belfry]

Even if once you got the hang of the class, the potential is astronomical.

It's just more accessible and can snowball a little more.

[marble seal]

The next class is going to be insane

[limber cradle]

New tree feels good except for obligatory stimms nodes lol

[mighty belfry]

If anything, the huge buff to this class imho

Is street tough

That talent on a class that doesn't have the greatest base defensive stats other than dodge

Is massive

[manic wolf]

Is it impactful? There was some debate as to how useful it were gonna be

[mighty belfry]

Very

The knockback is actually generous

And it's a poxhound defense

[manic wolf]

Damn, go out for St Patricks an feel like I have so much to catch up on after two fuckin days

[limber cradle]

It works on hounds?

[marble seal]

It’s like chem grenade being a straight upgrade to immo

[mighty belfry]

It does.

[limber cradle]

Like automatically?

[marble seal]

Straight upgrade to that zel talent

[manic wolf]

So all DLC classes are gonna have anti-dog defences

[mighty belfry]

Automatically, if it is ready to proc

[limber cradle]

Insane

[unreal stirrup]

yeah because fucking lobotomite thought skibidi gonna get added

[limber cradle]

Like actually bonkers lol

[manic wolf]

Well this should be fun to mess around with

[unreal stirrup]

also skill issue

[compact oyster]

Oh yeah it works against hounds

[compact oyster]

How

[mighty belfry]

It also basically makes melee chip way harder to come through.

[mighty belfry]

Because of the constant panning of the class, the initial impression it was bad functionally and the fact that it wasn't skitarii

Oh and the marketing being pure ass.

Ya I was already thinking it was gonna be A tier before the poxhound revelation

[restive mortar]

Was about to get that cranial implant
Then I turned my guy around and...

[mighty belfry]

With that? Full S tier defensive talent

Antihound defense in Havoc is huge because those bastards can catch you at the worst moments during a fight

[limber cradle]

Yeah, I think I'm gonna drop punching above for it

[mighty belfry]

And it knocks back the dog and everything around you so if there's a crusher squad doing an overhead at that time, they're getting knocked right on their ass and you won't get overheaded

[limber cradle]

Current build if I drop punch for street tough

[mighty belfry]

Also the pesky specialists that happen to come up as soon as you're pounced

[limber cradle]

The toughness regen on tox goes crazy ime

[unreal stirrup]

street tough is like top 10 talent in the game imo

[limber cradle]

I didn't realize it auto worked on dogs ngl

[unreal stirrup]

it work on any melee

[limber cradle]

That's a huge selling point with how many lagged into me lately

[main trellis]

You know whats the best; zealot has the knock talent too but it can’t even stop ragers

P2W

[mighty belfry]

It only knocks back the attacker and that's it

[rotund agate]

my game crashed in expeditions again because someone bought something at the sanctuary shop...

[mighty belfry]

Are you on steam?

[rotund agate]

ye

[manic wolf]

Thats a point, how is the expeditions thing?

[mighty belfry]

Do you have a parameter set up for loading

Like the Lua 2048 thingy?

Because that's causing crashes in Expeditions apparently