hivescum-class

[unreal stirrup]

2 is enough to almost insta delete chaff

[compact oyster]

It inflicts 2 in an aoe

But can stack to 4

With 42 damage and 84 damage respectivrly

[unreal stirrup]

splash damage finna get nerfed next hotfix fr

or not

[astral canyon]

Surely

[unreal stirrup]

2 billions buff to scrier gaze

[river skiff]

Did any of you test this already?

[upbeat pendant]

wdym stack to 4? i tried killing 2 bezerkers in a group of 10 and its still 2 stacks

im in meat grinder if that matters

[compact oyster]

Havent noticed it due to alley rat

[hybrid veldt]

where can i drop my build?

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/don’t-smile-don't-laugh-trying-not-to-laugh-funny-giggle-gif-6467512265182122147

[hybrid veldt]

i think its good

[upbeat pendant]

are you sure it aint just coated weaponary procing

[compact oyster]

Hmm

[spice cloud]

That sound very broken im ngl

[river skiff]

IKR

[spice cloud]

Im gonna make the most absurdly broken melee scum later

[astral canyon]

Depends on how strong the stagger is

[glass parrot]

dodging is way faster than sprinting now, thanks fatshark 🤣

[river skiff]

Already made one LOL

[spice cloud]

8s is very low cd for that imo

[hybrid veldt]

huge?

[upbeat pendant]

cant get enemies to attack me in meat grinder sadge

[river skiff]

It is

[river skiff]

I know

Tried it too

It is bugged

[upbeat pendant]

ill bring it in my next exp run

yeah, cant get off invis

[spice cloud]

New blessing?

Oh lord

[hybrid veldt]

?

wdym?

[river skiff]

Old one

[hybrid veldt]

nah

[spice cloud]

Refined lethality

[upbeat pendant]

refined lethality? was already there no?

[spice cloud]

Was it?

[river skiff]

Yeah

[spice cloud]

Daym

[astral canyon]

Already had it

[hybrid veldt]

ye'

[spice cloud]

Wtf did i put on it then?

[astral canyon]

Prob wrath

[spice cloud]

Ah yes

Thia one looks good tho

How did i miss that

[upbeat pendant]

mr e uses it

[spice cloud]

[zenith pagoda]

Is virlent strain multiplicative?

[hybrid veldt]

whats the differents in needle pistol marks?

the II and the IV

[zenith pagoda]

Pins

[spice cloud]

One has bigger headshot multiplier or smth

[unique spire]

Crits

[hybrid veldt]

which one?

[spice cloud]

Its honestly barely noticable for me

[hybrid veldt]

has better base crit?

[spice cloud]

I think the first one u get

[spice cloud]

The other one is better for the aoe needle.

[hybrid veldt]

almost maxed but you know

[spice cloud]

U can dump dmg

[unique spire]

This

[spice cloud]

On the needler

[unique spire]

Might as well be more helpful than just saying pin

[hybrid veldt]

kinda redundant haha

[obtuse elm]

Time for us to be toxic in all the best ways

[unique spire]

If you like doing crits and stacking acid as fast as possible then kinda is

[hybrid veldt]

3 stam curios are rare right?

[obtuse elm]

You're pretty reliant on some good rng for em

[spice cloud]

I have yet to get 3 maxxed curios on any class

Very rare

[obtuse elm]

Bulk buying from melk is your best method to try and force one

[hybrid veldt]

yeah but i mean 3 stamnia roll

[upbeat pendant]

not as rare as the max hp and max toughness ones from my experience, maybe they have the same rates idk

[hybrid veldt]

i see alot of 2's and i seen someone with a 3

[upbeat pendant]

and also it has to be a 410 3 stam roll

[spice cloud]

Very rare

[hybrid veldt]

and yeah a 3 looks so insane for hive scum

[upbeat pendant]

a 400 3 stam roll, is a 2 stam roll iirc

[spice cloud]

Check melk often

Then chances are he wil have something evetually

[hybrid veldt]

not a huge increase?

[upbeat pendant]

best chance for you is to just check the normal vendor every hour, that with checking melk every day

[spice cloud]

Or you just dont worry about it too much

Cause in the end it doesnt matter too much anyway

[lost ravine]

alternatively spend all melkbucks on random curios

[spice cloud]

I did

He still did not give me my 3rd tghnss curio for ogryn

I hate that mf

[lost ravine]

[spice cloud]

I prilly spend like 1000000 mucks by now

[zenith pagoda]

Anyone else got huge frame drops this update wtf?

[upbeat pendant]

got about 5 3 stams, 3 toughness and 2 hp on my hs from the vendor, didnt get any from melk from checking for i think 3 weeks? and about maybe 6 vendor checks a day ish

[spice cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/death-gif-20834117

[brittle sierra]

The removed sampler

GG crate scum is gone 😔

[upbeat pendant]

sampler?

[river skiff]

It works for ragers

[river skiff]

Not for bosses

[spice cloud]

Perfectly balanced gameplay decisions

I cant wait to get home

And abuse that class

[river skiff]

Your toughness will get a hit and then you hit them two times while they are in anim cancel and have it back

LOL

[upbeat pendant]

what about crushers?

[river skiff]

Probably but too late to matter

[spice cloud]

HiVEscuM iS SO wEAK iT neEDs BuffS

[river skiff]

You first need to get hit to get proc

[spice cloud]

Waaaaaaahhahahahaha

[upbeat pendant]

nah like not get hit by a crusher but by something else then the stagger hits crusher

[zenith pagoda]

Trust Fatshark to fuck up the performance every update

[lost ravine]

what about street tough vs dogs

[river skiff]

I am not sure it could get a small stagger as it is not unyielding

[tulip ivy]

what the fuck did they do to hive scum

on paper what im reading is absolutely disgusting

[spice cloud]

BALANCE

IT WAS SOOOO WEAK

now its ok tho dont worry

[lusty leaf]

I'm having trouble making a new builds since this shit is so good

[upbeat pendant]

too many good nodes to take

[lusty leaf]

Like, what do i pick, its all disgusting

[spice cloud]

Man this shit is golden allready

Peak community comedy

What the actual fuck where they smoking?

[upbeat pendant]

like idk what to take out for points, literally my first consideration is pickpocket

[lusty leaf]

The only issue i have so far is getting to desperado node, since im a selfish prick relying on pickpocket and never taking improved gunslinger xd

[spice cloud]

Dont need that anyway

U run melee right?

Dont need po

[upbeat pendant]

right? ill only use it in exp since free ammo there is worth more

[lucid jewel]

is the hive scum class fun to play thinking of buying it

[spice cloud]

I ran all my melee scum builds without pp

[hybrid veldt]

true

dont really need it

[spice cloud]

And honestly never had trouble with ammo at all

Especially with needler

[hybrid veldt]

this is juicy tho

[lusty leaf]

it was before, and its about to be a hell of a lot more

[spice cloud]

Needler is very ammo efficient

[upbeat pendant]

yeah my previous builds didnt use pp too

[lusty leaf]

PP still sounds like a necessity for desperado pistol build, hm

[spice cloud]

Its good qol for desperado

[hybrid veldt]

pp is still good for hybrid

[spice cloud]

And still should do the same thing hinestly

[upbeat pendant]

im considering it for exp, since you need salvage to get ammo and you cant get it mid run, but then again i didnt run out of ammo in my last run

[spice cloud]

Its still the same ability basically

[upbeat pendant]

nah nevermind, i want more melee damage

[spice cloud]

Its just one melee kill

[hybrid veldt]

desperado in my opinion can be spammed with cool downs

and ranged kills

[spice cloud]

Absolutely

With cdr stimm

[lusty leaf]

They moved sample collector right in the friggin middle of the tree

Christ almighty

[spice cloud]

This is insane

Forreal

How is this real?

[lusty leaf]

now i dont have any reason to dip into toxins for desperado at all

[silver mural]

Free talent points then

[spice cloud]

God 2 more hours and i can go home and see for myself

[silver mural]

Think of the possibilities

[river skiff]

Settled on this

[tulip ivy]

oh 100%

ill still leave every game i see a hive scum

[lusty leaf]

Ditch hyper-critical

[spice cloud]

Understandable after this patch tbh

[river skiff]

Why would I?

[spice cloud]

I really cannot blame you

[lusty leaf]

it works against hyper-violence

[river skiff]

It is pretty good to one shot maulers for one attack setback

[lusty leaf]

Maulers should be easy anyway with how spasticly you could dodge before (not to mention now with those purple talents in the middle)

usually like 2-3 jabs with daggerinos

[pale trench]

I didn't think they'd move SC up either but my god they did

[tulip ivy]

yeah, its funny tho how a class that was fine pre-update got this much attention rather then ogryn

[spice cloud]

What can i say?

I think HS was allready pretty broken

[silver mural]

Tox chem was clearly struggling

[tulip ivy]

obese shark is what you can say i guess lol

[tulip ivy]

i second this

[spice cloud]

And them listening to the whiners was a massive L

In my humble opinion

[river skiff]

Not saying they are not it is just less slog with hc in the build

[compact oyster]

dont skip alley rat

genuinely

[tulip ivy]

now hive scum doesnt get hit at all, all toughness regen nodes are useless lol

[tulip ivy]

100% a mistake, now we got whatever this abomination is running about

[spice cloud]

Dont worry tgey changed the stimm regen nodes with instant tghnss

[silver mural]

They go off of usage dont they? So sometimes an op build might be missed since something else is more popular with the playerbase?

Thats what they tried to nerf pick pocket and moved the stim cd since it was mostly auto include

[spice cloud]

[river skiff]

It is too long to feel comfy at melee I do not wanna miss enemies because of 1 km dodges LOL

[tulip ivy]

oh, well even those are useless if you just cant get hit haha

[spice cloud]

True

Gotta loose it to gain it

[tulip ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/feel-me-think-about-it-meme-gif-7715402

[silver mural]

Have you tried it on slower weapons? I wanna know if on saw or combat axe it makes you feel like you got combat blade dodges

[compact oyster]

on crowbar its hilarious

backdodge slide heavy

[silver mural]

"Slower" weapons i mean, since even our slow ones arent really all that slow XD

Good to know

[spice cloud]

Its so good the long dodges just let u dodge bursters without pushing

[pale trench]

Not every build needs to dodge that far, though. For melee scum, it actually makes it harder to stay on target

[compact oyster]

it is very funny tho

[silver mural]

I did this once with combat blade pre patch, so i believe you

I think geometry was helping me in some manner tho, or i lucked out on the timing

[spice cloud]

Its pretty consistent imo

2 dodges backwards that thing will never reach u

I do kill myself a lot on ledges tho

[silver mural]

The dodge distance helps with trapper nets too since iirc the net doesnt care if you are in dodge frames it cares about physical hitboxes

[river skiff]

Okay I can try it cuz those shitters are bugged af LOL

[spice cloud]

I love dodging in general

[silver mural]

Stupid bursters are like 70 percent of the reason I run true grit on arbites

[spice cloud]

Anything that lets me do it better i usually take

[silver mural]

Dodging is very fun

[compact oyster]

i always double push bursters

never had an issue

[silver mural]

Dodging my responsibilities

[silver mural]

Well i have skill issues

[spice cloud]

When i startet playing the game i did not know i could shove away stuff ao i dodged everything

[silver mural]

Im a damnation level player i can only handle so much XD

[river skiff]

I believe it is sub optimal but then again getting killed by bugged toxshitters has to be the worst feeling in the game

[silver mural]

Its funny tho since im far ahead of my friends, so im like the guy who is casually good at smash bros but not actually good at smash bros if you get my meaning

[spice cloud]

Pushing bursters is still safer then dodging

But in a pinch it can be good

[pale trench]

Or, push AND dodge them

[spice cloud]

For example to escape a teammates bad push

[silver mural]

This is the way

[river skiff]

Push and then they blow up in your face anyway LOL

[spice cloud]

Well yeah u have to dodge once either way

Push is not enough

[pale trench]

Or...push, doesn't blow up, run closer, push again, teammate shoots it and makes it blow up in your face

[lusty leaf]

my fav strat

[silver mural]

People who shoot bursters should only do so when they are tracking all 3 other players smh XD

Its like running across the street without looking but a passerby is the one who gets hit

[pale trench]

I call it the "What the f...why didn't that thing-OH FUCK YOU, BUDDY THANKS A LOT" strat

[lusty leaf]

https://klipy.com/gifs/bob-ross-painter-5

[hybrid veldt]

crit toxin build

[river skiff]

https://giphy.com/gifs/team-fortress-2-dno0yUmnYsFR6

[hybrid veldt]

enjoy if you like

[spice cloud]

Im ngl i get ragebaited if my teammates explode burster in my face

[river skiff]

Not taking nimble is a crime ngl

[silver mural]

Ive been enjoying rampage on saw more and more

[hybrid veldt]

its there

[pale trench]

"What does your stimm do?"

"Yes."

[hybrid veldt]

well i thought the pay off for long call downs is taxing on 1 tree

[river skiff]

Sorry meant jittery

It is so good

[hybrid veldt]

and found overall buff at 39s to be quite good

[lusty leaf]

Tried cooking something up for dual shiv/needle gun build, any insights? Open for suggestions

[hybrid veldt]

the build cant scrifice chem toxin 🙁

[pale trench]

I rarely push it higher than 57 seconds.

But that's me. I'm trying to lower it

[hybrid veldt]

so sure its cool down is 57secs but the cool down on the stim only starts after your proc

[silver mural]

Max the tox! Your enemies deserve it :)

I love tox so much

[hybrid veldt]

so 57 - 15/20 - 57

[pale trench]

With stimm supply this ain't a problem. You can get the buff and start the cooldown at the same time.

[hybrid veldt]

i found you cant run 4 stacks reliably on 50+ seconds

[hybrid veldt]

oh im running rampage

[silver mural]

I do with fatshark would change the stim cooldown somehow. Maybe put a small icon of a stim next to the reticle when its up

Green on green is lame

[hybrid veldt]

i only recommand 4 stacks because you hit +20% crit hit chance

which is kinda huge

[verbal dew]

that's why you use mods for the stimm cooldown

[silver mural]

I know, but can you allow me one eccentricity

Mods make me feel icky

:( im sorry

I dont want to be like this

[hybrid veldt]

curios are low tier cause im still new to level 30, so normally stam, toughness/toughness,

combat ability regen on all of them

[zenith fern]

interesting choice of bone saw and needler

[hybrid veldt]

it works

[zenith fern]

though the carapace on needler is not really any need as it it only counts the projectile hit i think

So I go with reload speed

[silver mural]

I am a bone saw stan

It is rhe best choice

But im.lying technically shivs are

[zenith fern]

more talking about the perk and bless schoices

[silver mural]

I see

[zenith fern]

Also cant believe they added you as a blessing smh

[silver mural]

Yes i see that now

Personally i would double up on cleave and minus enemy mass or lean into crit even more but idk what the meta is for it

[river skiff]

No need for stam

Take 1 stamina regen curio perk and you are set

You will never need more than that ngl

[hybrid veldt]

fair

yeah the build does need some wokr

[spice cloud]

I usually have 3 tghnss curios

Except on zealot

I have never felt the need for more stam

But one health is good for vet and scum to not get oneshot

[dire badge]

are hsivs still ther best?

[spice cloud]

By burster

[unreal stirrup]

dot does work with damage boosting perk

[pale trench]

Also good

[dire badge]

did they nerf the fent gun and shivs?

[tranquil turret]

Wait what happened to the Sample collector?

[verbal dew]

they moved it up in the middle

[blissful gull]

hyper-crit or hyper-violence on shivs?

[verbal dew]

it's free now

crit

[manic wolf]

Not that its of massive consequence considering Tox's lowest ADM is 0.9

[spice cloud]

They didnt “nerf” a single thing besides pp afaik

[spice cloud]

Both

[dire badge]

oh good but dual stub pistols got a buff righT?

[spice cloud]

Yup

A sophiaticated choice

[blissful gull]

hyper-crit prevents hyper-vioelnce for working when it instant kills

[manic wolf]

I can't log in rn, anyone tested Splash Damage yet?

[dire badge]

worth bringing over fent gun on a pure meelee build?

[manic wolf]

Yes, but also no

[spice cloud]

When it instant kills

But it wont allways do that

[manic wolf]

It doesnt remove the HV proc provided you hit something else in the allotted timeframe, but it doesnt add to it either

[astral canyon]

also hypercrit doesnt proc if the target would already die to the crit

[manic wolf]

^

Just use a fast weapon, 5head

[spice cloud]

I usually only have hyperviolence tho

[manic wolf]

I can see Bonesaw having its HV proc eaten, but not stuff like Shiv, Knife or TacAxe

[spice cloud]

So i can get to the right side more

But i dont know if the tree is even similar to the old one

[dire badge]

dual stub pistols worth bringing on a pure melee build? Or should I jsut stick with ye ol fent gun

[hybrid veldt]

yeah i was kinda thinking this but you have to sacrifice good buffs via curio overall

[spice cloud]

Its a good sidearm

Good range

Decent dmg

But u better have melee for cara

[tranquil turret]

Just thinking about TacAxe gives me carpal tunnel

[unreal stirrup]

it increase dot damage not rending

[near relic]

Improvised Mk I

Lowered base Cleave for Light attacks to {1.0, 3.0}, from {3.0, 5.0} for Light 1 / Light 3 and {2.0, 4.0} for Light 2 / Light 4

Oh, that's significant. Neat.

[dire badge]

anyone else having major connection issues

[hybrid veldt]

@zenith fern the 25% increase in damage also effects the chem toxin proc

so the 25% is a easy 200-400 dmg not including crit procs

[zenith fern]

Still not gonna be dumping a mag on carapace except bosses and reapers

[dire badge]

thats what ye ol shivs are for

[hybrid veldt]

i use it incase i need to thin the herd

then i swap to melee and ingage

[zenith fern]

[zenith fern]

Tell that to desperado pickpocket users

[dire badge]

ah yes, my cooler cousin 😭

ill always play melee hivescum, makes me feel like im playing shangrila frontier

[north meteor]

how was the needle pistol nerfed when it got hit? I can't remember. I know its still good

[lost ravine]

didn't they say this was getting removed

[upbeat pendant]

hush, go dodge 6 times with your gun

[near relic]

"New Class Iconics:

Hive Scum now has +1 Effective Dodges by default, and the ‘Moving Target’ talent has been removed."

[north meteor]

am I making up that it got nerfed? My buddy told me it got hit a little but I can't find the patch note lol

[near relic]

It got nerfed in the sense that you have to melee enemies to make Pickpocket pick pockets

The weapon itself is untouched

[north meteor]

he said it was from a different patch

oh wait was it the "shooting the ground" thing

[near relic]

What thing is this?

[north meteor]

you could shoot the ground with one of the marks and it would still spread

and he said they fixed that?

I'll just test when I get home; I haven't played since Dec

[near relic]

The needle pistol is not mentioned as nerfed in any patch notes since the class came out

[north meteor]

yea I couldn't find it

[near relic]

If it was nerfed, it was indirect or not noted

[north meteor]

either way, its barely important so I was just curious lmao

new talent tree looks cracked though

[near relic]

It does look pretty solid

[river skiff]

Scum is absolutely broken wtf 😭

[near relic]

Yes.

It has been since launch

[river skiff]

I mean way more than before

This is crazy

[near relic]

Maybe people will finally stop complaining that it's too weak.

[river skiff]

Basically no downtime between stims and ability is kinda disgusting ngl

[near relic]

People on reddit and the DT forums*

[astral canyon]

theyre prob still malding about pickpocket

[river skiff]

Fawk pickpocket long live sample collector LOL

[near relic]

This is the melee build I was futzing with while I should be working

[lost ravine]

twinsies..

[river skiff]

Forges below instead of 25% rending is questionable choice ngl

[lost ravine]

why

1. it's aoe stagger a la VoC
2. it can undog you if you had your ult running

[silver mural]

I thought it was bellow

Also it staggers bosses

An arbites doesn't

Funny

Im not saying break the line is bad, i love it. But i do find it silly it can stagger a plague ogryn a lil bit

[molten shale]

Would take Forge's Bellow over Channelled Aggression 90% of the time, yeah

[river skiff]

He is so mobile there is no need to stagger anything if you can get out of your way but crusher DPS is important and rending helps with that

[lost ravine]

uncanny shivs already have almost 100% adm vs cara

[silver mural]

Thats fair more dps is always great, i enjoy the safety myself

[river skiff]

Especially now with 1 more dash

[silver mural]

Thats also true, weapon choice can circumvent the need for rend

What high adm weapons do we have? Shivs, i assume crowbar beak, purple lean saw

[river skiff]

Finesse dmg is better for him

[astral canyon]

BtL is way more spammable

makes sense that it cant stagger bosses

[silver mural]

This is true

EO arby has it on like a 8 or 9 second cool down or smth

But its still weird

[near relic]

25% rending on heavies only and when above 50% duration

[vapid jungle]

No duration anymore

[near relic]

Oh, is that so?

[vapid jungle]

I thought

[near relic]

Neat

[astral canyon]

not tied to duration

got buffed (why)

[low harbor]

wait uh
where did sample collector go

[near relic]

Still not picking it

[silver mural]

Middle part of tree

[near relic]

Forced pick

[astral canyon]

way above

[river skiff]

No duration limit and I am pretty sure you wanna be doing heavies against armor anyway

[silver mural]

Its near the dodge talents

[low harbor]

oh cool

[silver mural]

Right below iirc

They decided it was already an auto include, might as well make it official

[upbeat pendant]

street tough works against dogs btw if no one said it

[astral canyon]

whats the strength and size of the stagger

[near relic]

I will already have 100% from uncanny

So more rending isn't helping me

Or close enough to 100%

[vapid jungle]

Other than taxe is there any weapon with comparable carapace adms between light and heavy?

[lost ravine]

apparently there is now a new crash

i stimmed myself too hard

[astral canyon]

channelled is mainly for if youre running precog over uncanny

[silver mural]

Gromnil armour! Welcome back bardin

[vapid jungle]

Thats prolly the only wep you might not take the rending node

[river skiff]

I think you are wasting dmg potential there since you can get very high crit chance with him for finnese to kick in

[lost ravine]

because of course it does

why wouldn't we just have a dog immunity talent

[silver mural]

So now both dlcs have anti dog techniques

The third dlc must also be dog immune or im writing fatshark a strongly worded email

[lost ravine]

mechadendrite just shanks the dog off

[river skiff]

Precognition for scum is basically deal 90% dmg more

[lusty leaf]

If street tough works against dog, im wondering if forge's bellow is worth it anymore

[silver mural]

It has its use cases. Like vs crushers idk if risking a hit to stagger is worth it.

Does anyone know of it triggers on health damage or toughness damage

[blissful gull]

is toxin mania even worth it? It seems like the uptime would be pretty bad since you kill so fast on scum

[silver mural]

Is that the toughness regen?

[lusty leaf]

i run it with pocket toxins and blackout nades, its very easy to upkeep with that duo

[near relic]

I am not sure how crit chance and rending relate to each other here.

[north meteor]

who complained about this lmao

[near relic]

Reddit, steam, and fatshark forum users

[north meteor]

toxic renewal is crazy

[near relic]

Extensively

[north meteor]

thats so wild to me

[near relic]

Scum got reviewed bombed on steam for being weak

[north meteor]

especially after the rocket buff

[near relic]

Had like <50% positive reviews

[north meteor]

those level 10s had to get gud

it was pretty weak until level 20ish tbf

on release

[near relic]

Pressing dodge is hard.

[north meteor]

yea but the main issue was you had no payoff early

[lusty leaf]

same reason i saw very few assassin kerillian's back in VT

[north meteor]

they fixed that at least

[near relic]

Go to Heresy difficulty and watch people play. They sit in ranged and refuse to dodge or even move as a single poxwalker chews on their ankles

[north meteor]

oh yea I see the h40 players still get ripped a new one for sitting still lmao

[lost ravine]

shade had godawful temp health

one of 2-3 classes

[lusty leaf]

True enough, i only played her as a shieldmaiden

[near relic]

At least in H40 I can blame audio issues for dying to a single shooter. :,(

[north meteor]

true

silent bursters are what was pissing me off last time I played

I'm excited for toxic renewal though

actually gonna be tanky

[pale trench]

I don't think the crit chance increase from Chem Enhanced is applying towards Channelled Devastation. I don't get more stacks of CD when I get another stack of CE.

That's unfortunate, there's serious synergy there

[blissful gull]

is dropping pickpocket a dumb idea?

[low harbor]

is it just me or
having to take blessed stims to reach stim crate ult is really weird

[obsidian oxide]

still an extremely strong talent

[blissful gull]

idk what to drop

so I can get pickpocket

[pale trench]

It got nerfed so incredibly slightly. It's still an S tier pick

[lusty leaf]

I dropped it and ran a regular mission to check it out and had a lot of issues even with a vet with survivalist (dual stub pistol desperado for context)

but i was friggin spamming those pistols

[blissful gull]

havoc?

[wheat brook]

How different is the talent tree? I’m worried it’ll take forever for me to fix when I get home

[lusty leaf]

not yet, regular auric, boosting masteries on some side-weapons

[pale trench]

If you're playing melee scum you don't need to have pickpocket

[blissful gull]

reckon maybe dropping chem dependency for two nodes worth of adrenaline frenzy and hen put the point saved from splash damage into pickpokcet

[blissful gull]

In havoc there's like never any ammo

[lusty leaf]

wait, its melee build, what do you need pp for on melee build?

[pale trench]

Different enough to be cool, not different enough to make you have to entirely reevaluate your scum's life choices

[modest patio]

How’s the update, share your builds with me

[blissful gull]

I'm worried if I run it and needle pistol it'll be a nightmare

[modest patio]

Let me live vicariously through you lol

[blissful gull]

b/c the needle pistol is super overtuned. standard move in havoc 40 for bosses is mag dump 30 stacks of toxin on the boss with needle pistol and then get to meleeing with shivs

or just let it die from DOTs without ever getting close

Like the needle pistol is just crazy OP

and it doesn't really benefit from desperado or vultures mark

[modest patio]

Pickpocket is wildly good, I feel like I have it on every H40 scum build

[pale trench]

If you're playing melee scum, why do you need that much ammo?

Regardless I don't play havoc so I'll let you be the judge there. However as I just discovered, I don't think Channelled Devastation is getting stacks from the increased crit chance you get from Chem Enhanced. So maybe drop Channelled Devastation, if you can't easily keep it close to or at 30 stacks

[blissful gull]

IDK if it's gonna be the move now though. like on gunner seeds I might run out of ammo while there still is a gunner line, and I won't be able to get into melee to refresh ammo b/c of the lead wall

[blissful gull]

wait really? that's nuts

also, don't you onlt need like 30% crit chance to get max value from channeld dev?

[wheat brook]

There’s only a few talents I really care about that make me love scum dearly, as long as Jittery and slippery customer are the same I’ll be happy

[blissful gull]

scum has base 10% crit chance, shivs have innate +crit chance, and when you dodge you get 20% crit from float like a butterfly for 3 secs and from riposte on shivs you get 20% crit chance for 6 secs

[pale trench]

I don't know if it's a visual bug, but I look at my normal stacks of channelled devastation, use a stim to give me more crit chance, and the stacks of channel to devastation don't change at all.

[blissful gull]

are you not at max stacks already?

[pale trench]

The only crit-related thing I'm not using is shivs (I don't like them, I'm aware of how much damage and crit they do, I just don't like that weapon archetype, personal preference). Otherwise I have every talent, node, weapon perk, and blessing related to crits yet for some reason channeled devastation doesn't change based on stacks of chemical dependency

I can actually see the channeled devastation stacks increase when I have stacks of increased crit chance on hit from my weapon, but not from the increased crit chance I get from chemical dependency/chem enhanced

[digital drift]

is pickpocket working for anyone else rn? 👀
I just ran an expedition and never got the 20% ammo even though i stabbed multiple elites and specialists to death ;-;

[upbeat pendant]

It works in meat grinder, ill try it in exp

[fervent steppe]

i know the update just came out but dose anyone have a good build since my old one got reset?

[wheat brook]

Excited to try the stub pistol buffs

Wish we had an auto fire option and I didn’t have to click for every shot

[lost ravine]

what flavor was it

[fervent steppe]

i think melee but ill take any as of rn

[fallen void]

use this. this is very good.

[lost ravine]

something like this

[fallen void]

oh, kat

[lost ravine]

can ofc exchange chemdep for adrenaline

[wheat brook]

Any advice for the penances related to the other keystones? I’ve only used chemical dependency since buying the class

[fervent steppe]

what stim you use?

[lost ravine]

get shivs and shank everything for adrenaline
get your favorite gun and shoot specials/elites for vulture

[fallen void]

this new node

is fucking insane

why does taxe just 2 shot maulers now

[lost ravine]

the Perfectly Balanced™

[wheat brook]

What is the proper term for the additional keystone nodes?

[fervent steppe]

fair lol

[fervent steppe]

and i take it any melee works?

[lost ravine]

any works, i just prefer shivs

crowbar i have been sleeping on

but it does good work too

[upbeat pendant]

yeah works for me in exp

[wheat brook]

I love the bonesaw dearly

I like swapping modes for different situations

[stoic dawn]

crowbar is for me

[lost ravine]

keystone modifiers perhaps

crowbar is for when you want to just bully crushers

[fervent steppe]

ill try both

[stoic dawn]

I always want to bully crushers

[lost ravine]

pick-side be upon ye

[wheat brook]

Is there any weapon that has similar attack patterns to the bonesaw?

[lost ravine]

obscurus force sword if i think about it

but that isn't here

[bronze crown]

I am running this build. Since the update I have one skill point leftover. Where should I put it? https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0b07c83-1d07-4dd8-8f49-e94a659c4fa3/scums-op-gunslinger-meta-h-40

[lost ravine]

blessed stimms since you need it for pathing

[wheat brook]

I don’t see other scum in QP use the bonesaw much is it bad?

[lost ravine]

kinda yeah

[bronze crown]

Yeah I added that but I still have a point left over.

[lost ravine]

i'd say precision violence in case melee happens

[near relic]

Bonesaw has a weird attack pattern, bad cleave, and bad ADMs.

[bronze crown]

Thank you. I am using the taxe as melee instead of the shivs. Will that make much of a diffrence?

[bronze glade]

seems like a pretty big nerf for mk1 shivs

[lost ravine]

taxe is good too

[lost ravine]

mostly irrelevant methinks, since we now have perilous toxbustion

whatever clear was lost, is also made up for

[quaint field]

searching through past history doesn't really give me much on this but i can't tell what dump stat i should use on dual autos and dual stubs - it feels like mobility should be both of their dumps but i see a lot of back and forth about collat as well

is it preference or is one Actually Better

[lost ravine]

collateral is dump stat on every weapon that has it

[bronze crown]

Thank you. Since the shivs nerf are most fast melee weapons, dclaw taxe, cb balanced the same now?

[quaint field]

i didn't expect this but i'll take it

[pale trench]

What's the hive scum's base crit chance with no talents or perks or anything? 10%?

[bronze crown]

I am running with mobility as my dump stat.

[quaint field]

tends to be the default unless there's worse

which apparently collat is

[lost ravine]

shivs are still fantastic
taxe was good before and is good now
knife same
but i will never say dclaw is good

for dclaw propaganda contact @mighty belfry

[bronze crown]

I swapped my autopistols with 80 mobility for 60 and 80 in everything else, but still run the Vraks Mk v more.

[bronze crown]

https://tenor.com/view/shadowheart-baldurs-gate3-bg3-gif-19588257

[spice cloud]

Its kinda mid but can be made pretty good with build stimm and blessings

And its nice for sample collector cause u stack more toxin

It also looks cool

[wheat brook]

The mastery one looks like ketchup and mustard

[plain tide]

Technically new Hive Scum Cosmetic

[spice cloud]

Wich will give u extra style points

[spice cloud]

Good thing im colourblind

[plain tide]

the Theta-Level Cranial Augment in the Veteran's shop page

[spice cloud]

Yeah thats a cool one

The steel skull is my favorite tho

The free one

[plain tide]

the little bowl over ya brain case?

[spice cloud]

Zeah

Yeah

I kinda want that on my zealot

And the cartel penance armors and pants look nice

[sleek grove]

Do we get more tech points if we do harder difficulties in explorations?

[bitter frigate]

i have a tox build i take it pick pocket is useless for me now

[dire badge]

The auric expedition enemies have less health than havoc 30 enemies right? Cus I feel like I'm just mowing through them as melee scum

[zealous ravine]

bonesaw still feels bad but idk whar i expected

[bitter frigate]

i like bonesaw but i dont want to play now because pickpocket doesnt work for me now

any mob with tox on it doesnt count towards the melee kill for pickpocket

[compact oyster]

Sample collector cdr stim desperado

Boom your infinite ammo is back

[bitter frigate]

yea but if you want to use tox at all it doesnt owrk now

*work

just tested it out any bit of tox dmg on a mob it doesnt count as a melee kill

[fresh brook]

Where did you test? Im testing in psykanium and even if I let green tick for a while it still gives me pickpocket

[bitter frigate]

i tested in psykanium also

the only way i got it to work was remove every tox node and used a tactical axe

[fresh brook]

As far as I can tell you can let an arbitrary amount of tox damage happen you just have to get the last hit

[silver mural]

Bonesaw is awkward but in a dedicated chem build imo feels great

[fresh brook]

Im thinking about switching to purple bonesaw for new pickpocket since it seems like the 1st heavy does pretty fat damage

[silver mural]

Its also very supportive in a way, with its brittle

[fresh brook]

I dont know if 1h still 1 shots on havoc though?

[bitter frigate]

i always used purple on bonesaw again i dont thinkt he kills count using it

[kind ice]

I'm thinking the same thing, bonesaw heavies feel so rough when 2 or 3 crushers show up to ruin your day tho or at least last patch. I've not tried it with attack speed stacking yet

[fresh brook]

Ive always solved the crusher problem by just running away and letting someone else deal with it

[kind ice]

A hivescum classic

[bitter frigate]

tox grenades on crushers

[fresh brook]

Putting the scum in hive scum

[kind ice]

Well, if it works why not. Once you're out of tox nades you'll be running to the nearest ogryn for protection, works better than any skill you can take yourself

Oops 4 hivescum party 🤭

[silver mural]

I am the only bone saw lover XD I must change my name to Bonesaw simp

[supple torrent]

just cbar rampage cbar/shiv them

[kind ice]

There's dozens of us, dozens!

Was real nice for a low skill point investment when going meme with pickpocket, should still be quite good for that

[fresh brook]

Anyway do people have a better melee option for pickpocket outside of bonesaw yet?

[kind ice]

Just good ol' shivs ig

[silver mural]

For in game feel and my ability to perform with it at my own level in comparison to other weapons id put it in A tier.

The only things i find feel better for me at least is shivs but those things we all know are s tier easily

[upbeat pendant]

as in for ranged builds?

[fresh brook]

I used to run shivs but even in auric psykanium its like a 3 shot if you dont get a crit, which is rare but also scary.

[fresh brook]

yes

[upbeat pendant]

shivs, knife usually are the go to

[silver mural]

Shivs are way better in this regard, bonesaw i feel needs a melee build to beat its shortcomings

[kind ice]

With the newly (easier accessible) melee talents i think will have to do a bit of ranged-hybrid build shenanigans now to work around pickpocket, but that AoE stun on taking melee damage every 8 seconds should be enough of a safety net i hope for the shivs. Imma test it out today

[fresh brook]

Why? Bonesaw 1h 1 shots (auric) gunners with 0 melee talents

[kind ice]

yeah max cleave blessings and only use it for spreading tox around worked quite well

[upbeat pendant]

i mean in a ranged build, your main concern for melee weapon is if it can deal with crushers/bosses, since your gun can deal with the rest

[fresh brook]

Plausibly in havoc youll need to do 1h-block-1h on dreg gunners but thats still faster ttk than shivs

[silver mural]

In the time that attack takes to complete im positive shivs can heavy twice and do the same, while being faster time to kill into other targets and more mobile.

But i cant argue with the logic if you only plan to heavy 1 then go right back to shootimg

[kind ice]

If pickpocket dont trigger on tox kill it might be a bit of a bummer, i'm seeing people here say it doesn't work with tox at all and other say it works if you get the final kill as direct damage despite the tox

In that case you dont want any tox

[silver mural]

The saw for normal melee play tho i feel needs cleave and benefits immensely from leaning into chem for obvious reasons.

But im no expert or authority

[fresh brook]

Yea purple bonesaw to avoid tox ticks, but it def works for me if I get last hit so not a huge deal

[silver mural]

Purple lean mode

[kind ice]

Ah okay, purple tox it is then. I quite like the brittle debuff

[silver mural]

Or grape flavour

[wheat brook]

The tree update has forced me to sacrifice one point so I can run what I had before the update

[kind ice]

For general purpose the cleave blessings itself were good enough, no need for skill investment. At least last patch

[silver mural]

If you arent relying on it sure, in my experience (which is anecdotal and not scientifically verified) the cleave from talents helps immensely for bridging the gap and making the saw feel smooth all the time

[wheat brook]

Is new pickpocket bugged?

[silver mural]

Do you run shock and awe or the cleave on hit talent or both Sergeilol?

[silver mural]

Wdym

[kind ice]

Not scientifically verified? Unacceptable! get out the hypothesis, research methods and spreadsheets out now.
On a serious note yeah i get ya, definitely a bit of a clunky weapon without any investment in it.

[wheat brook]

I heard about it not working so I was coming to see if it was working

[silver mural]

Its melee only now and DOTs and other sources of damage can steal the kill sometimes, ive not heard of any bugs as of the time of writing this

[upbeat pendant]

i dont know if its just inconsistent but it did trigger for me in the meat grinder and in an expedition game

[dim moth]

50% dodge distance is actually crazy wtf

[silver mural]

So crazy

When you are out of dodges it feels like you have a normal dodge

[kind ice]

Flying off stairs

Though its so much i'm finding it awkward on melee builds, in my first game now

ranged builds tho 🤌

[silver mural]

I cannot wait to drop of ledges accidentally till i get used to it

[kind ice]

The hive scum tax, flying off edges. a small price to pay for salvation

[hallow socket]

Using different weapons but geez the hive scum is stupidly overpowered now. I'm yet to try the other classes updates.

[silver mural]

You mispelled that

Its spelled F E N T not S A L V A T I O N

[kind ice]

First hit is free

[hallow socket]

In a way I've combined builds into one with nodes left over

[kind ice]

I feel ya. All my ranged builds suddenly got 5 points to spare, made them into melee-ranged hybrids for the pickpocket change. I think it'll be alright

[hallow socket]

It's gross

[silver mural]

I wanna play expeditions but i have to work what is this BS

[dim moth]

I can't afford these "ranged" builds not when they add all this new chem toxin goop :(

[hallow socket]

I froth melee Hivver anyways so lapping it up

My puke nukem build just got better and the Meta ranged plus chemist did a fusion dance.

[low harbor]

did u try expeditions yet

[dim moth]

no

just logged on

[lost ravine]

was before too

[dim moth]

was on helldivers a bit ago to buy the new warbond

[silver mural]

Now you can play dark divers

[hallow socket]

Had some issues with expeditions but had the freaking best game before on auric with a good team.

[low harbor]

expeditions meta might be 3 vet + 1 og

[hallow socket]

Was gonna try helldiver's obviously not now. Got 30 or something hours into Space Marine 2 recently.

[silver mural]

Expeditions meta is 4 knife zealots with shroudfield to maximize objectives and i shall hear NO OTHER OPINIONS

[low harbor]

or that, yea

[hallow socket]

Sign me up

[lost ravine]

why's that

[low harbor]

it's just gunner, rager & ogryn spam

[azure mist]

And Maulers

you forget that

[low harbor]

I saw like 0 maulers

but the big takeaway is that u have no ammo refill outside sanctuary where u buy it with scraps

[silver mural]

How to you rank the utility of running in 2 groups (either a solo and a 3 man or 2 duos) like in HD2

[hallow socket]

I got this theory if someone bails out of a game the whole lot crashes? Idk.

[low harbor]

2/2 prob the way to go unless someone has stealth ult

og is nice for the mode cuz there's this package thing u need to carry to sanctuary/exfil to get TR

[silver mural]

For sure stealth ult makes the objectives that require time to activate alot easier

[low harbor]

and ogryn doesn't get slowed down by it as much

[hallow socket]

Anyone noticed a difference with Oggy?

[low harbor]

yea they got nerfed

[hallow socket]

Wrong chat but whatevs

[silver mural]

I always wondered, how is it that people solo high diff missions if they don't have a stealth ult? Do you just avoid the ones with puzzles

[low harbor]

some missions are near impossible to solo without stealth and/or stun immune

[silver mural]

I solod a damnation but i was lucky it was a daemon of the sands missions

[hallow socket]

Yeah last late darktide sesh was just some random and myself in Auric maelstrom. We couldn't catch a break to do the puzzle in the end we had to give up.

[silver mural]

Fair, i noticed that i think some puzzles keep your progress if you back out but not the original wait for the icon and click one

[low harbor]

the hardest map for solo is prob commsplex

[hallow socket]

At some stupid hour nearly getting the older fent lean over the monitor.

[low harbor]

mid event has infinite gunner waves

12 gunner per spawn

forever

[silver mural]

Im horrible with mission names, is that the factory one where it ends with a daemon in the sands thing and has a mid point auspex puzzle room with like 3 consoles?

[hallow socket]

Desperado = 🧀

[low harbor]

throneside mission, where u call down an elevator, then later send a message with a big radar dish thing

[lost ravine]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/F4dZ8PRMPvI

[wheat brook]

Should I sack gunslinger improved for the crit chance aura to save a point for pickpocket? Or have no pickpocket

[hallow socket]

Yeah the mission names are cooked it's easier to remember the areas linked to the levels.

[silver mural]

With auspex scan puzzles or without

[hallow socket]

Depends

[low harbor]

not scan, it's the hacking minigame

[silver mural]

Okay i think i know what one you mean

[hallow socket]

I haven't used it at all honestly. Anarchist I mean with this update

[silver mural]

The elevator is like near a bridge i think?

[hallow socket]

Usually it's always anarchist

[silver mural]

And gunners spam out the other side

[low harbor]

u can try solo on that one, it's genuinely near impossible to finish the first event without stealth or stun immune

[silver mural]

Zealot must be the ideal solo class then

[low harbor]

well they are lol

[wheat brook]

My preferred playstyle has lost a point due to the layout change forcing blessed stims to reach the Chem ult

[hallow socket]

Yes

The humble Zelly

[silver mural]

Shroudfield is on such a low cdr with the right talents so lots of chances to complete puzzles

[wheat brook]

Pickpocket was my choice to sacrifice, I need to be more careful with my needle pistol ammo anyways

Hopefully gunslinger keeps me going well enough

[silver mural]

Needler is definitely efficient enough to not miss pick pocket

[hallow socket]

Cops crap for being the worst class yet somehow with Shroudfield or Fury and the right builds I make it further solo auric mally then anything else.

[wheat brook]

All my other talents I use are the same so I’m pretty happy

[silver mural]

Its also dreadfully easy to clutch with

[hallow socket]

Delete builds on each class if I just die with it all the time.

[wheat brook]

My melee build actually had an extra point

[low harbor]

zealot is the best solo
then it's vet, hvs and arb

[hallow socket]

Yeah the hive scum has some built into it now also it's bonkers.

[silver mural]

I was playing arbites and my team died to a pack of 26 ogryns (hi intensity brutes and blasts is fun) and i had to actually kill them all before running to rescue. If i was zealot id just outrun the pack and stealth revive smh

If i was scum id have just boom bringered maybe twice

[hallow socket]

So much testing so little time nah it's nearly 3 in the morning here. Emperor protects

[silver mural]

I love zealot but im not in love with any of the personalities i dont think

But i love that i can be a little cawdor looking gremlin

Cawdor is my fave gang in necromunda

[hallow socket]

Saving a fury just for a toughness replenishmint sllapss too. I love Shroudfield but slowly went for fury also with the relic blade.

[wheat brook]

I like female fanatic the most the others I don’t like much

[hallow socket]

These expedition tiles have the best Necromunda vibe going on.

[lost ravine]

i like all the zealots honestly

[hallow socket]

Zelly go brr

I think it got the worst buff??

[unreal stirrup]

how is the hsword change

[silver mural]

Im way too death cultist pilled for that

I dont hate any of the zealots voices, i just dont think they are maul or anarchist tier ya know?

[low harbor]

zealot got good buffs

[silver mural]

What were the zealot changes

[unreal stirrup]

stamina aura probably the biggest one

• riposte is more consistent

[silver mural]

I think I need to rebind my grenade K i hate g

[unreal stirrup]

put it on c

[low harbor]

stam aura so good

[silver mural]

C could be peak

[unreal stirrup]

I have grenade on c

Jump on v

[silver mural]

I might put it on E and change my ping to middle mouse or smth

I changed ping to E for arbites when I thought id be pinging the dog way more but tbh grenades on E felt peak to me

I went back to zealot and was missing my knife throws due to the delay of going to G smh

Does zealot have worse stamina regen then scum

[dim moth]

okay first expedition run had someone leave the first time they got downed

and a zealot that spent the whole match running off on their own never helping

cool

not all zealots but always a zealot

[supple torrent]

the god emperor willed it

Is street tough looking useful?

[low harbor]

Everybody does

Hvs has the best stamina management of all classes

[silver mural]

Tracking, i was wondering why my knife wasnt regaining stamina faster then it was losing it with slide spam but other factors might me effecting it as well

[dim moth]

street tough aka "go fuck yourself rager I dodged that attack and you know it"

[silver mural]

Street tough aka "THAT DIDN'T COUNT TIME OUT"

Street tough aka, arbites isn't the only dog counter

[devout folio]

Hey guys. I was wondering - is it worth investing in some cleave with tactical axe? Im talking about battering momentum

[dim moth]

not really a point because brutal momentum is your cleave

and tac axe has horrible base cleave

[low harbor]

The new cosmetics are cool but holy shit 250k TR extracted to get them

That’s like 100+ games?

[dim moth]

emperor willing I shall have them

[north saddle]

Very funny of fatshark to invent a gamemode whose success hinges on Players to be able to read a map and maintain squad cohesion. Man, most of these quickplay dudes suckkkkk

[uncut falcon]

Yeah I feel like this takes some coordination

Gonna hop into the disco after work for VC, at least until people get the hang of it

[devout folio]

I use headtake and decimator. Feels like more worth it with tactical axe and absurd speed you stack up with stim and rampage

[uncut falcon]

Too much risk of people just running off or exfil early

[low harbor]

Most people aren’t good at the game in the first place and now it’s on a map they have never played

[unreal stirrup]

situational awareness is dead after the release of tiktok

[limber cradle]

How's new tree? At work.

[devout folio]

Made me start a havoc match with half my talents, that's how

[limber cradle]

Lmfao average FS update

[austere topaz]

Seems more awkward if you're trying to go desperado, stronger if you're going melee

That seems to be my general consensus of it

[supple torrent]

borm to go blessed stimms forced to go long lasting

[austere topaz]

Forcing desperado to go long lasting is so odd

[limber cradle]

Is it up on GL yet?

[supple torrent]

I think they just wanted to remove the toughness node but didnt think of the consequences

yeah its on GL

[limber cradle]

It is, ty

[low harbor]

Imagine if rampage rashad could also tox enemies at the same time

[limber cradle]

Couldn't it before?

I don't use Rashad tbh

[supple torrent]

well that was always a thing tbh

[low harbor]

Well it couldn’t do it without blitz

[limber cradle]

I'm playing around with it on GL, seems really nice

[low harbor]

Now u just kill elites and tox everything up

[limber cradle]

Think I'm saving 1-3 points

[low harbor]

And sample collector being all the way at top

Prob always run 75s stim now

Unless havoc anti-corruption

The only bad thing in new tree is that for some reason you’re forced to take stim cleanse on the way to stim crate

Which is a ??? tier oversight

[limber cradle]

Hypothetical build for when I get home

[lost ravine]

but what about 15% elite/monster damage and the crit-to-melee-damage thingy right under sweet spot

[limber cradle]

Oh fuck that's new

Dunno what id drop for elite damage

[limber cradle]

Good shout under sweet spot

I'd totally have missed that

[livid raven]

lmao what is this new tree

[limber cradle]

Banger

[livid raven]

long lasting and blessed stims so shit now they force you take one of them

[limber cradle]

Blessed stimms is like

Fine ig

[upbeat pendant]

Could get rid of tertium welcome for the 15% elite/monster dmg or get rid of chem forti if you want to be more "glass cannon"

sucks that you need to get long lasting if you want to run desp

[livid raven]

lol you are forced to take blessed stim if you crate

[limber cradle]

I might drop the toughness regen if I'm killing things too fast ngl

[lost ravine]

i run this https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1444017590748975125/1483482432047939624/image.png?ex=69bac02d&is=69b96ead&hm=5eab9c4c964634fe66581734fb2f8ec61717c6eb24b3524fd44016fa48f9f4ca&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

feels solid

[supple torrent]

Melee scum really is the favourite child huh

[tranquil fjord]

the fuck is wrong with this new tree

[lost ravine]

no that would be psyker

[tranquil fjord]

also, keystones are still the same

[lost ravine]

but melee scum is the half-sibling that is the favorite child of the other parent

[upbeat pendant]

ayyy i run almost the same thing but rpg instead and virulent strain instead of chem forti

[supple torrent]

Psyker is just the guy that bought his house in the 70s and has been living off that good investment

[upbeat pendant]

and jittery instead of bellow

[lost ravine]

valid

bellow is just really good utility

[upbeat pendant]

i have not used it before, will try it tomorrow

[north saddle]

Bruh i am so done with the teammates on the new gamemode

This is worse than havoc

[split yarrow]

New hive scum layout feels like ass if you use desperado or crates

Ive been straying away from stimms and being forced to take the upgrades for them sux

I like using the stimms i find around the map

[upbeat pendant]

its ehh, only bad thing is you gotto take the +5s stim for desp

[austere topaz]

You have to take blessed if you go the crit too

[split yarrow]

Well i guess its not that bad its just pretty shit for me

[upbeat pendant]

had 3 randoms spend 8 minutes rescuing each other instead of extracting

[brittle sierra]

Crate builds got buffed what are you talking about

[upbeat pendant]

and i cant solo extract cause you need two people on the extraction point

[split yarrow]

I like using crate with stimms i find on the map, funny 4 heal med stimm, also corruption healing on stimms being right above crates is funny

[brittle sierra]

Only thing that got "nerfed" with Desperado is now you have to once in a while take out your knife

[split yarrow]

Cause you already heal corruption from crates

[upbeat pendant]

oh yeah that, 2 wasted points yeah

[brittle sierra]

Wait you don't use the stimm lab?

[split yarrow]

I used to but im really bad with keeping track of my stimms and keeping my dependancy up

[brittle sierra]

That kinda seems troll unless you are playing gas modifier

[split yarrow]

Just a personal problem i have, not really an issue with the game or anything

[brittle sierra]

But how does the new tree nerf that too?

[upbeat pendant]

yeah tried it in exp and it still feels good especially cause ranged enemies are more prevalent there

[mighty belfry]

Alright. This tree rework kinda sucks in terms of pathing

[unreal stirrup]

damn

[split yarrow]

I mainly meant being forced to take the stimm perks, i shouldnt have said the new layout sux in general LOL

My bad 🙏

[mighty belfry]

I'm not sure what they were thinking making long lasting and blessed unavoidable to miss

[split yarrow]

I dont like the stimm perks personally, i dont use them

So its just annoying having to take them for me

[astral canyon]

Both are also useless for crate

[mighty belfry]

Also. Point tax for wanting to run blinders with melee builds

Cool

[brittle sierra]

But even if you don't use the stimm lab, how does stimm crate get nerfed?

[mighty belfry]

This was certainly a choice.

[austere topaz]

Long lasting is also a detrement if you go desperado and use cooldown on the stim too

[mighty belfry]

It's not stimm crate itself more the rework makes pathing for it not ideal

[lost ravine]

i too forget to take my meds

[split yarrow]

Having to waste points on stimm perks when they dont really work woth crate, its not a nerf to the crate but the pathing

[mighty belfry]

You basically have a completely dead node one way or the other

[brittle sierra]

You mean the corruption removal?

[split yarrow]

I downloaded a mod to help with it but even then i just keep forgetting lmfao

[lost ravine]

same

[unreal stirrup]

new tree is so ass

what the fuck

[mighty belfry]

Yeah this is

Kinda bleak

[split yarrow]

Crates heal corruption and you're forced to take the corruption heal on stimms node, its a waste of a point

+5s stimm on desperado butchers some builds

[upbeat pendant]

you could do what some guy did and just bind it to your space so you "auto" use it, i forgot if there was a mod to auto use it off cooldown

[mighty belfry]

The new talents are nice but there's somehow more friction to this tree.

[unreal stirrup]

on god ai balance the game better than the dev

[split yarrow]

Not a bad idea honestly

[brittle sierra]

Yeah if that's one point

[pale trench]

Has anyone else been able to confirm that chem enhanced and channel devastation are not synergizing?

I don't think the math is mathin' there

[unreal stirrup]

splash damage is fucking crazy

[lost ravine]

perilous toxbustion is indeed crazy

[wispy vault]

i just cut my losses and went vulture, at least i wont have to deal with the clunky "stimm on cooldown" mechanic and can actually use them situationally now

[plucky nymph]

damn stubs really got some nice stuff but the blessing pool poo poo big stinky still

[lost ravine]

imagine if stubs had hand-cannon

stub pistol stonks would look like this 📈

[astral canyon]

Imagine if they had point blank

[low harbor]

Run&gun + sustained fire is nice

[lost ravine]

this i like for sidearm stubs

[spice cloud]

Wtf was fatfish actually smoking with this update?

[final temple]

I like the changes.

[upbeat gyro]

They are halfcooked, still could use some work, but atleast its exciting to get new stuff

[low harbor]

Only things I think hvs need are the 2 stim talents’ pathing

And pickpocket further nerf with a lengthy ICD

[upbeat gyro]

Those are the biggest offenders, +5s even makes Chem Dep apparently harder to keep up

[supple torrent]

I feel like adding a cooldown to pickpocket will just make gun scum autopistols feel bad.

[upbeat gyro]

Adrenaline Unbound and Toxic Renewal = 15% toughness per second

[low harbor]

Good, deserved

[supple torrent]

naah. if it needs to be balanced they can figure out a way without ruining the play style. Melee requirement was a good start

[unreal stirrup]

man it been a long time

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/477231216714579968/1483534032821157990/Warhammer_40-000-_Darktide_-_2026-03-18_1-34-09_AM.mp4?ex=69baf03c&is=69b99ebc&hm=63c10f6db16412c1aa9df7448e23098d250f5a23643592b8818c927d0f3487a6&

oh havoc open

[river skiff]

You are not being forced

You get it for free

It is at the place of toughness points that are now built in

Also blessed stimm is pretty OP with blighted modifier so the fact we get access to it so easily is pretty cool

[buoyant edge]

CHAT. CHAT PLEASE TELL THAT THE TALENT THAT MADE YOU NOT SUFFER MELEE DAMAGE WHILE SLIDING WASNT REMOVED. I HAVENT OPENED DARKTIDE YET.

[river skiff]

It is still there

[buoyant edge]

Thank fuck

[river skiff]

You will not really need it

Especially if you take longer dash distance

There is no way anything in game can catch you if you will not let it

LOL

[raw pulsar]

Hello gentlemen can someone recommend a good beginner melee hivescum build?

[upbeat gyro]

What i am testing atm, patch day so it all just changed. Thats melee with needler sidearm

Tac Axing but if you wanna do shivs maybe switch one talent to cleave instead

Its good day to just improvise though and see what you like

[mild minnow]

Whats the dump stat on the stim pistol

[upbeat gyro]

You want ammo, mobility and stability 80%, dmg and stopping power doesnt matter

[mild minnow]

Also what color means what on the bone cleaver?

[unreal stirrup]

is there a lore reason why mk3 shiv heavy have shallow ass angle

anyway splash damage + hypercrit kinda have crazy synergy

toxin soften them up then it easier to proc hypercrit

shit crazy on knife

[vapid jungle]

Piss means it toxin on hit lean is brittleness on hit.

[glacial gyro]

Ruffian locked to sample collector is an interesting choice

[unreal stirrup]

its not like sample collector is best out of the 3 option anyway

[arctic imp]

You’re forgetting the fact that blessed stims is on the right side so you can go left without using more points to also take the +5 seconds. Also not everything has blight, arguably the side it’s on is weird because it’s right next to stim crate which does it for free

[river skiff]

Yeah I know it does not work with the crate

I am playing melee tho

[hybrid veldt]

71%

pog

101%

[mighty belfry]

Good luck finding a team that's willing to have you as scum that isn't running crate for blight

I fucking hate Blight so much

[charred notch]

why even make enhanced desperado if they're gonna slam the one talent that solely benefits it

was living solely off pickpocket for havocs so the ogryns could get ammo ts like a kick in the teeth

[brittle sierra]

Because pickpocket was probably the most insane talent on the tree for Desperado?

[charred notch]

no shit? it only benefits desperado?

[brittle sierra]

Idk ask Obese Megalodon

[brittle sierra]

No, I take pickpocket on all builds

[charred notch]

don't really need it if you're running rampage or the sort, i sure as hell didn't need to use it for anything but desperado

[supple torrent]

You dont need it but infinite ammo needle pistol is ridiculous

[upbeat gyro]

The irony is that the melee needlers with it wont even notice this change, while the pure ranged got screwed

But, it was too OP, something had to be done

[supple torrent]

Eh I'm sorta fine with it. I like weaving into get a melee kill anyways so its no big deal.

[charred notch]

i don't even use the needle pistol, shoulda just nerfed the thing its busted as FUCK

[supple torrent]

But I agree its doesnt fix the issue of it being available on oneof the best guns.

[charred notch]

of course its one of the best its from a paid class 💔

[wheat brook]

I know it’s op but I like it because of how unique it feels

I would play duel stubblers if they had hold to fire

I already click so much my hands hurt when I add them on top of it

[eager reef]

neat

[wheat brook]

That happened to me earlier

[leaden pendant]

so what are the good builds post patch?

coming back after a break and debating buying the class

[torpid cloud]

dunno it came out not that long ago

[leaden pendant]

ya im jw if its nerfed into the ground or what b/c of pickpocket

guess its a wait and see thing

[charred notch]

https://klipy.com/gifs/higuruma-sigh2

[wheat brook]

My preferred playstyle got nerfed but kinda in a strange way

I like chemical dependency and gunslinger aura

[charred notch]

all my builds were mainly ranged

[wheat brook]

But now in order to have both you have to take the +5 second stims

Which is counter intuitive to what I want

So I just swapped to crit aura and haven’t really noticed the pickpocket nerf

[charred notch]

just ran an expedition, got touched for my troubles

[wheat brook]

I’m not even a melee scum either there’s just usually some shotgunner or a dog that’s easy to kill

I haven’t tested it but I don’t think poison from bone saw restores ammo

[charred notch]

not as far as i know

since its technically kill through DoT

[wheat brook]

I guess I gotta swap to purple to get ammo back then

[charred notch]

meaning shivs are probably your best choice now since they do insane backstab

[charred notch]

myeah

[leaden pendant]

they buffed crowbar i think

idk how much

[wheat brook]

What portrait frames do you guys use for scum

[charred notch]

not really

[leaden pendant]

quite minor

[hybrid veldt]

Pox blasters

From the last event

[hallow socket]

Oh mad

[hybrid veldt]

Ngl I already miss the brutes and blasters

Auric brutes and blasters was chao carnated