hivescum-class

[mighty belfry]

Pp nerf legit did nothing about melee builds that abuse it

[manic wolf]

Yeah theres not gonna be a lot of difference outside of needing to smash something in the chops every once in a while

[zenith pagoda]

My problem with needle pistol is the time it takes to kill specialists like trapper or sniper, that's why I'm using boltpistol + lethal prox for nades

[manic wolf]

It needed a 40+s ICD

An I will die on this hill

[mighty belfry]

Pp either should have been built into VM

Or it should be on close kill instead with a cooldown if they really want to make it a more versatile node

[main trellis]

You will see only melee scum bruv

[manic wolf]

Nah, on melee, 60s ICD, get fucked nerds

lrn2play

Jokes aside, I fuckin hate that talent

[main trellis]

Pure ranged builds will die

[manic wolf]

Good.

[main trellis]

At the very best you gonna have hybrids

[main trellis]

Ye
Now go nerf psyker

[manic wolf]

R E A L

[warm axle]

should have launched with this caveat, not sure how 20% is still there either.

funny how it encourages mag dumping down to 20% so every mission with a hive scum is auto scrolling til then

[mighty belfry]

That's more people believing ranged scum is gonna be dead. The nerf isn't the end of the world. It just requires you getting your hands dirty a smidge

It's not like desperado doesn't already give you infinite ammo during usage

[warm axle]

dont worry, vets wont let you forget that.

[brittle sierra]

They doing anything for Ogryn?

Or is Fatshark pulling a Fatshark again?

[mighty belfry]

Quite a bit actually

Weapon changes are eh

Talent changes however

Actually genuinely impactful

[warm axle]

dakka is dakka-er, crunchin is crunchier, boolet is more boolety

[brittle sierra]

Unlimited ammo?

[astral canyon]

nope

[warm axle]

50% ammo refund on barrage duration.

[brittle sierra]

Then no buff

Cya all in 2030 🚶🏻‍♂️‍➡️

[river skiff]

Not even that .. How difficult is to kill one shotgunner with shivs and then swap back to ranged

LOL

[eager reef]

The funny thing for me, it functionally changes none of my builds for scum

[manic wolf]

For some, very

[river skiff]

[sand tendon]

people are just mad they can't play pd2 in darktide anymore

[river skiff]

pd2?

[sand tendon]

payday 2

[eager reef]

I hope it gets shitters off scum so we actually have teammates with brain cells to rub together

[river skiff]

Ah

[eager reef]

Though it is amusing watching a random lose a fight to pox walkers

[river skiff]

[brittle sierra]

Pay deez

[river skiff]

LMAO

[clear isle]

payday 2 mentioned, dallas summoned

[sand tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/threat-secured-cat-kitten-funny-fall-over-gif-23790248

[brittle sierra]

Game isn't fun until I can play lugger Ogryn again tbh

[eager reef]

Mfw

[river skiff]

Reminded me of my friend

[mighty belfry]

I mean

[river skiff]

He literally got owned by poxwalkers in malice

LMAOO

[mighty belfry]

They did adjust lugger

[brittle sierra]

Who?

[river skiff]

Not in this server

A guy I know

[brittle sierra]

Who

I must KNOW

[main trellis]

That smidge might just be enough
It most likely will proc from attack & not dots

Which is another sad moment

[mighty belfry]

If that smidge dictates someone's decision to not use an ability, they probably should be opting to use something else anyway imho

That just means they got went too reliant on a resource this game shouldn't be giving as freely as it was with pickpocket

[ashen osprey]

hi yes I want more autopistol marks
That will be all

[river skiff]

Honestly what else?

If they are so scared of melee they should probably stay shooting

LOL

[mighty belfry]

Another ability so they can actually learn how to melee a lil

[river skiff]

You dare to say git gud

LOL

[river skiff]

Ngl I feel way safer using melee than ranged

Toughness regen is simply more consistent as on hit effect than it being limited to elites and specials

[zenith pagoda]

Anyone tried decapitator with hypercritical?

Hypercritical 1 shots, bromentum carries that over, this stacks more decapitator which is more finesse and hyper violent stacks

[lilac crystal]

they shoot it and then it blows up on top of them

[main trellis]

not the ability silly
The entire archetype of a build

[mighty belfry]

I don't see how this changes my point

Don't get me wrong. It is a noticeable change to range scum. But its not enough of a change to nuke it entirely. If pickpocket being changed like this was enough for some people to say it's completely dead as a playstyle, then they were relying far too heavily on having infinite ammo to the point where the idea of ever meleeing anything is foreign to them

In a game

That's mostly melee focused

Again. My main concern is

It did nothing about melee builds being able to abuse it

But ranged scum did need a check and balance and this is at least a step in that direction

[upbeat pendant]

imo the change just moved ranged builds from psyker level to probably balanced level, im just curious how much stronger melee will get since they were already pretty good, just not psyker level good

[mighty belfry]

They can be psyker level good tbf

Melee scum is bonkers for damage output

[upbeat pendant]

i only played a few games with it so i cant really compare well to my range games which had way more damage

like with range, you can deal with anything that isnt a crusher/boss at any range

[silver mural]

Melee scum might only be worse at horde clear but that is only because i cant imagine any melee clearing walkers as quick as a dap with desperado on.

But idk im not a huge desperado user so thats just the feel i get from the few times ive tried it

But the new aoe tox procs will put that to the test

At least i think it will idk

[lost ravine]

so you be saying
having to melee something once per minute will kill ranged scum

[upbeat pendant]

eh more like once per 10 seconds if you try to play it the same as before

[main trellis]

pure range build yes; for majority of the ppl
hybrids are gonna be ok

[lost ravine]

pure range build has desp

which lasts a good long while

[main trellis]

meanwhile needler spam unaffected

[silver mural]

Needler dodging the nerf was crazy since its the main offender

[lost ravine]

inbetween desp you can run cd stim and chemdep

[main trellis]

main reason why pickpocket was op tbh; not adressed

[lost ravine]

i'm honestly not sure what to do about needler

[low harbor]

pickpocket could honestly use another nerf, give it 40s+ CD

[upbeat pendant]

just delete pickpocket at this rate

[silver mural]

Yeah for sure, ive always said i dont think every weapons was op just cuz pick pocket exists

[upbeat pendant]

it just cant be balanced enough with needler existing

[low harbor]

yea that'd be preferred

[main trellis]

what if i don't run chem demp or cd on stimm? what if att spd & str rending is better? what if i don't have talents for chem demp?
the charge for pickpocket is worse than ICD & exclusion of triggeting on DoTs

[main trellis]

make DoT not proc pickpocket
simple as
but don't pay their own game so ye

[lost ravine]

i'm honestly not sure why one wouldn't run chemdep

[low harbor]

rashad

[main trellis]

cause maybe i wanna keep the stimm for an ocasion where i need it most?
cause Vultures gives me more talent points to spare & other benefits?
cause i don't use crit based weapons?
options... options

[silver mural]

Also, your guides are probably the best ive ever read. Im sure you get some help from the community but its a ton of useful info and easy to digest

[lost ravine]

perhaps, i may also be running into the issue of being very set in my ways

[low harbor]

it'll get better

[lost ravine]

huge if true

[silver mural]

I like chemical dependency alot but its the crit bonus for me. Im too chem pilled and toxic

I must stack

[lost ravine]

chemdep gives defense, offense and cd

hard to beat that

[modest patio]

Has pickpocket / gun scum been nerfed yet?

[lost ravine]

vulture's can give situational movespeed which is unique as far as keystones go

[silver mural]

True, and even on builds where the cooldown is largely pointless like with the box and stim refunds its still a great keystone

[lost ravine]

but i do think scum is zippy enough as is

[livid raven]

tomorrow

[lost ravine]

so the movespeed on vulture seems slightly overkill

[silver mural]

Pick pocket is slightly nerfed for pure gun builds but largely unchanged in use for melee builds and still too strong on needlee

[modest patio]

Oh, nice. With the new update? Pretty excited to see a new mode

[livid raven]

yes

[silver mural]

I also feel like pick pocket should be a smaller refund but more applicable throughout a game. But that might make it too close to vets aura tbf.

Its just too hard to balance on the class maybe

[modest patio]

Did they add a cooldown or change the proc condition then?

[silver mural]

Its now melee only

[livid raven]

only procced by melee kill only

[silver mural]

Maybe moving pick pocket into a keystone could work?

[modest patio]

Hmm, still seems great? Gotta throw in a shiv 1 shot but it’ll put a stop to infinite desperado

[livid raven]

yeah it kills the build more or less

[modest patio]

I think it’s actually a bad change overall. Largely doesn’t change the strongest builds but kills the niche fun build that only scum had

[silver mural]

Kill is prolly an overstatement, but it is a dps drop to some extent since pure gun builds are less likely to have melee damage nodes

[livid raven]

can't have shit in tertium

[silver mural]

But yeah needler still abuses it hard

It would have been better if they removed tox chems ability to proc it entirely and made it ranged only so needler loses it entirely lmao

[pale trench]

Is there somewhere I can see the tree updates where the talents are labeled? I don't have all the symbols memorized

[silver mural]

Its a melee scums hive city and we all are just living in it

[livid raven]

just wait for tomorrow

[pale trench]

You just gotta lean into it

[silver mural]

Youtubers have gone over every change, rykens video is very good and short

Or wait

Its less then 24hrs i think

[main trellis]

oh its very good
also on 3 stacks if you keep killing you keep everyone topped off on toughness
also crit & dmg increase

[river skiff]

Like 5% DPS max

[main trellis]

all for 1 talent

[livid raven]

me when i lie

[main trellis]

thats all you need

meanwhile chem demp wants 3 talents

[pale trench]

You guys can just say "there isn't a visual image with all of them labeled" that's more helpful than "just wait."

[silver mural]

Yeah im not confident enough to know how much it will. I guess desperado mains gotta compare their performances before and after haha

[livid raven]

that was unnecessarily rude

[river skiff]

It's not that difficult to leave one shotgunner on the side alive and just kill them when running around with shivs to the head

[eager reef]

https://tenor.com/view/yamcha-yamcha-death-pose-yamcha-dead-yamcha-on-the-ground-yamcha-sleeping-gif-15816799

[silver mural]

Me? I didnt mean to come off as dismissive sorry

[livid raven]

no not you

[river skiff]

There is small off chance you won't find easily killable stuff around but for the most part it should be okay

[silver mural]

Its not that bad haha! Just pull out the shivs and heavy a shotgunner or smth :)

Poor Yamcha

[lost ravine]

patch notes tomorrow
how's that for helpful

[pale trench]

Not trying to be rude but "just wait" isn't helpful either. I am aware I can wait till tomorrow, I even have tomorrow off, but I'd like to see it now and I can't open the game right now to refer to them, so I was asking for a guide.

If there isn't one, just say so.

[eager reef]

I like the change tbh, my triple barrel DB build is unaffected

[modest patio]

Pulling shivs out ends desperado, right?

[lost ravine]

no

[silver mural]

Ryken is my best suggestion at this time

[eager reef]

We love math guy

[river skiff]

Even if it did you don't need ammo in desperado

😭

[lost ravine]

aye but you can trigger pp for after

[modest patio]

I just couldn’t remember if pulling melee out dropped desp

[silver mural]

Im not on train hate mister e but his videos cover it in like an hour and a half due to him speculating on what it will do on top of the info.

Rykens is short and sweet and i like his content alot

[pale trench]

0/10 I clearly knew that already since the date for the update is pretty widely known and that doesn't help me right now thanks for playing

[silver mural]

Jo is my fave darktide tuber but she isnt as big on mechanics based content

Frip frop is also great

And epic cole is who i watch when i want to see how superb players play

[lost ravine]

[silver mural]

Sorry, its hard to know when someone asks a question how informed they already are. Its easy to share superfluous data

[upbeat pendant]

Nah way more, you’ll normally trigger pickpocket every 10s max during a fight, granted most of them you aren’t low on ammo so it’s not a full refill, but if you’re using the DAP you will feel the dps drop more and will need to swap more often

But it will probably still be good, just not as dominant as before

[silver mural]

Yeah you gotta compare pulling out the weapon and engaging at a different distance entirely to simply moving mouse to the targets head while already firing a barrage.

Pure gun builds will proc it accidentally firing into mixed hordes their is no transition step

It refills on DAPs i think up to 2 mags? So outside of desperado you could be filling up alot if wanting to shoot alot

[upbeat pendant]

Like yeah sure you’re fast as a hive scum and can melee kill pretty fast but it’s no where as fast as moving your mouse to another target

[silver mural]

And for players who arent looking to shoot everything all the time the talent is largely unnecessary. Trigger discipline alone is enough to stay topped off on hybrid and melee builds

[river skiff]

I agree

[silver mural]

So instead it becomes a crutch for leaning into op guns rather then a way to try and gun only

Which imo makes it not very interesting

There is a very cool vibe to mac 10s only a mission

[pale trench]

It's just telling that I ask a simple question and instead of any semblance of a helpful answer I get every answer meant to dismiss the question entirely. Even if the answer was "There isn't a written guide, check YouTuber vids" that's totally fine, but you'd think if I'm aware of the update at all that I know when it comes out.

[river skiff]

I think it will need more planning around than shooting everything that moves but it can be optimized quite a bit

[silver mural]

Yeah its still good

Still a great talent

Just not the fantasy i wanted on that side of the tree

[upbeat pendant]

Yeah it won’t be dead for sure, just don’t expect to ever do as good as before

[lilac crystal]

triggering pp. lore accurate
darktide jargon

[river skiff]

It was pretty odd if you think about it - the gameplay loop of the game is mainly melee based

[silver mural]

Maybe give hivescum a way to make autos effectively infinite outside desperado like how vet can make lasguns effectively infinite with enough crit

[river skiff]

If you aren't psyker

😭

[river skiff]

Wouldn't make sense to nerf pickpocket then

[silver mural]

Its odd but the class itself is pretty odd, the chem side has lots of strange talents being the class unique mechanic side and the left side lets you be a close range shooter in a way ogryn wishes he could.

The middle is alot more normal and in line, i want the left and right to get real WEIRD

But thats definitely a preference thing, i like unique and strange stuff

[upbeat pendant]

They could always keep pickpocket as it is and nerf all gun dmg and tox dmg down lmao to be balanced around it but that’s dumb to balance around a single perk, would rather they just remove pickpocket and go from there

[river skiff]

Not possible

[silver mural]

Its why saw is my fave weapon, it could be the worst ever but its so weird i gotta use it

[river skiff]

Most of the guns aren't unique to scum

Other classes don't have pickpocket

[upbeat pendant]

Oh yeah you’re right, I forgot about that part oops

Remove pickpocket it is

It’s the only option

[silver mural]

Tox is strong but the needler is an outlier even there. Make it proc less stacks maybe per shot?

Tho tox is gonna get even stronger now

[upbeat pendant]

Or cap the needler stacks?

[silver mural]

Maybe it is too good

[river skiff]

It's already capped

[upbeat pendant]

Like even more

[river skiff]

It just gets there somewhat quickly

[river skiff]

You would need to lower the ammo or ticks per shot

[silver mural]

Or maybe, make it when it hits an enemy give them a debuff that gives them a stack every second. So like shooting them multiple times just resets it and the time to kill can be carefully tuned

Change the stack speed if its too high, or too low

[upbeat pendant]

lowering the stacks per shot would be a good start since you’ll need more ammo to hit max, or do both

[river skiff]

I actually want them to go the other way around

[modest patio]

Other than the pickpocket change were there any other notable updates?

I need to read the patch notes but have trouble getting the pad to load at work

[river skiff]

I want them to up the ticks but lower overall stacks

[river skiff]

The gun feels somewhat bad to play against disablers and melts bosses

If disablers died quicker and boss damage wouldn't be all about shooting 6 shots and running around as headless chicken it would make the gun more balanced

[lost ravine]

even then

plenty of melee variants

[upbeat pendant]

Ah I get what you mean, that’s also an option, maybe two shots to get to max stacks and have it at like 14 stacks max instead of the current 30 then reduce the ammo count to around 50 so you get 10 shots back from a pp proc

[river skiff]

Everything else is capped at 16

Bringing it down to 16 would be okay I think

[lost ravine]

not soulblaze 😤

[upbeat pendant]

Yeah that works, that’s way better than what we have now and 50 ammo isn’t too little to the point you have to bring pp, and you won’t be shooting more than twice on the same target anymore

[unreal stirrup]

2 billions build change

😔

[zenith pagoda]

Do y'all reckon they will make any changes to the tree before tomorrow

[clear isle]

I don't think so

[zenith pagoda]

I'm annoyed they are forcing us to take the shitty stim talents

[bronze glade]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1rvjwx5/about_the_talent_reset_in_the_upcoming_update/

[clear isle]

lol I gave up and just noted down each of my builds

[livid raven]

imagine not making a build up by vibes

[clear isle]

and Im gonna have to redo all my notes after the update too

[zenith pagoda]

Putting the corruption cleanse stim on the side of stim supply is just stupid

[clear isle]

I did that and got absolutely broasted in this server

[livid raven]

lol i can see that happen

[clear isle]

btw, I don't see too many ppl running adrenaline frenzy?

its rarer to see than chem and vulture's

[zenith pagoda]

It's just mid

You can get permeant +10% attack speed as a talent on any class

And the damage boost to melee isn't as good as higher crit chance

[clear isle]

just the fact you gotta build stacks and only get the reward after already makes it mid

[silver mural]

Heal all the corruption one could ever dream of lol

[clear isle]

they should've made it scale with each stack, reduce the total number of stacks

[zenith pagoda]

It has like 10 nodes and all of them just give higher uptime

Rather than actually buffing it

So it's just pointless to invest in

[clear isle]

real, last time I saw that many subnodes was on psyker

[silver mural]

That is true, its like 2 unique ways to stack it and longer lasting buff and longer lasting stacks and then one actual buff which is tough regen which is pretty good tbf

[clear isle]

I guess it's only decent on builds that dont scale well with crits

[zenith pagoda]

Not needed though

It's basically vulture for only ranged and chem dependency for everything else

[silver mural]

And now chem beats its tough regen by throwing one pocket toxin flash or just attacking 5 times lmao

And scales higher

And has potentially 100 percent in combat uptime

I guess you have to build into chem for it tbf

[zenith pagoda]

Yeah, unfortunately chem dependency is also expensive

Ideally you want all 4 talents

And now it's even harder to get to if you want to avoid toxin builds

I honestly don't like the new tree shuffle

[low harbor]

Just 3 tbh

4 stack is not rly worth 1 point

[zenith pagoda]

+10% cooldown, +5% crit chance, +5% TDR not worth it?

[unreal stirrup]

crit chance is like the only thing matter here

[low harbor]

Yea, not worth it

[livid raven]

makes it a pain to mantain the stacks tbh

[wispy belfry]

so vultures mark is going to be dead after the pickpocket update, right? With how all the stacks drop off at once, having to swap to melee to regen ammo, then back again to ranged to get another kill all in under 8 (or 12) seconds is going to be nearly impossible

[clear isle]

idk, we'll find out tomorrow after playing it

[silver mural]

Yeah you cant have a super stimm and stack it easily or you take the stim supply ult which makes stacks super easy

I wanna try a dumb 1 viscosity stim and exploding supply build for the lolz

[livid raven]

even then, with that 4th stack node

i found myself being at 3 stacks most of the time

[clear isle]

that sounds incredibly goofy

[silver mural]

I found myself at 4 but im popping it off cooldown so im trading waiting to use it at apropriate times

Chem dependancy in general is just the most obtuse of the 3

[unreal stirrup]

you can consistently stay at 4 stack during combat with double crate but uh the point is better spend elsewhere

especially with how stacked bottom row scum is

[silver mural]

Double crate?

I gotta max crit myself so i like the nice neat 20 percent over the ICKY and DISGUSTING 15

But i agree its not optimal

[zenith pagoda]

I would have 2 spare points if the tree wasn't so shit

[silver mural]

I do think its a little silly to have the 10 percent tox chem damage be a prerequisite for the dependancy keystone. But idk where else they could put it

Could replace it with another generic stat buff i spose

[mighty belfry]

Tbf, with rework the tree shouldn't be as sparse with talent setups

Since it's getting a little compressed.

[zenith pagoda]

Am I trippin or is hypercritical useless once you reach a certain damage level?

Like when I rampage shivs, I can 1 shot all human sized enemies without it

[unreal stirrup]

hypercrit proc per swing

[mighty belfry]

It helps for cleave distribution and rampage downtime

Basically, you may one shot the first target but the ones you hit after cleaving through that target may not die. Hypercrit creates a breakpoint to turn what wasn't going to be a one shot into one.

It also makes some enemies way more consistent to one shot even with Rampage active

Like mutants

But technically yeah when you do ramp damage enough with hyperviolence, hypercrit won't really proc anymore

[zenith pagoda]

Hmm, how much is the cleave nerf on the shivs do we know?

[lost ravine]

50% reduction

[bronze crown]

If my autogun Desperado is no longer viable and I want to Rampage meta are Shivs still the best or are Tactical Axe or Devil Claw now better choices?

[fathom schooner]

How's the fashion for the open world update? Looking good?

[bronze crown]

Rebreather, long coat and purple water cartel fatigues looking very diesel punk. 😎

[zenith pagoda]

How are the MK3 better? Do they just have more cleave?

[fathom schooner]

Hell yeah, I wanted to rep the seedy underbelly of Atoma without getting VERY radioactive sand all over my cool tats yk

[mighty belfry]

Given there was no cleave nerf to them, ya

[unreal stirrup]

so combat knife upscale

[bronze crown]

I have been lobbying for Havoc rewards for HS, Mobeian 53rd rebreather with out the helmet for our hair, a modified open for tattoos black Commissar long coat with some gang insignia and black fatigues with patches and studs.

[fathom schooner]

I've been begging for the Water Cartel flak armor that we see on corpses in missions

[zenith pagoda]

Yeah but like, the base damage of both lights and heavy are lower, the attack pattern is different, that's all

[fathom schooner]

It's not like we'd blend in too much with vet, given we're the only ones with hot purple armor

[unreal stirrup]

50% reduction to cleave might be too much tbh

[bronze crown]

I am going out in the Thieve's Harness but I have my Pitfighter Rebreather. 🤪

[unreal stirrup]

maybe reverse back to prebuff value

and buff mk3 cleave

[zenith pagoda]

Are the MK3 light attacks faster?

[unreal stirrup]

so mk3 can actually does good horde clear and mk1 still have better st while having adequate clear

yes it does

also more cleave than mk1 light

but you should be heavy spam on mk3 anyway

caxe remain the best scum melee

[manic wolf]

Lule, RPG is so stupid in this event

[zenith pagoda]

So the MK3 has more cleave and faster attack speed?

[livid raven]

faster and covers better angles irrc

[unreal stirrup]

yes

[livid raven]

just don't use the heavies

[unreal stirrup]

I mean the heavies actually have cleave

mk3 light cleave is like tac axe

[livid raven]

don't think it has better horde clearing with heavies

tho they are buffing them tomorrow

[zenith pagoda]

Am I correct in saying sample collector 2% only works when an enemy dies to toxin, not just has it when it dies

[livid raven]

no

actually

you are right i think

maybe they changed it tho

[mighty belfry]

You are. It shouldn't work that way according to the description but

This is Fatshark we're talking about.

[mighty belfry]

Mk3 lights are faster with better angles

[manic wolf]

Man im gonna be really honest... TacAxe does not need BM lmao

[mighty belfry]

BM is overkill if it isn't havoc I've noticed

And even in havoc you can get away with it but you'll notice the lack of cleave a little more

[unreal stirrup]

scum have enough strength boosting + cleave talent for you to not notice the lack of bm

but it does have hard cleave cap iirc

[mighty belfry]

It has a cleave damage cap I'm p sure

But hyperviolence lets you ignore it

[unreal stirrup]

riposte on taxe when

I don't like shred

[mighty belfry]

I only await

To see how the new heavy sword will play out

[unreal stirrup]

I think it gonna be decent

if only they also buff flak adm

[bronze crown]

caxe is better than taxe?

[unreal stirrup]

yes

boss damage + armor is way better

[bronze crown]

What Mk, perks, blessings?

[unreal stirrup]

horde clear wise they're kinda similar

but caxe have scab bruiser bp while taxe doesn't iirc

[mighty belfry]

Given they reworked rending blessing and gave it a way for carapace to not completely block it, I think the lower flak adms might not even matter anymore

[bronze crown]

https://tenor.com/view/cavemanspongebob-caveman-spongebob-react-whatreact-gif-20206670

[unreal stirrup]

no dclaw buff still

😍

[manic wolf]

Even there, I kinda feel like HT/Deci' is the all round best pick

[unreal stirrup]

genuinely just give it good flak adm and boom

[manic wolf]

Just shovel all the damage into HV all the time

An given Splash Damage is coming in soon... well

[unreal stirrup]

splash damage is uh

[manic wolf]

Procs are aboutta get dummy-thicc

[unreal stirrup]

fucking op

[mighty belfry]

I think headtaker while good

[zenith pagoda]

Does taxe have more damage output than shivs?

[mighty belfry]

Is also not really necessary

[unreal stirrup]

against horde yeah

single target shiv better still

[manic wolf]

More damage more gudder ❤️

[mighty belfry]

Oh wait

I'm sorry

I mean deci

[unreal stirrup]

deci is just inconsistent

stun exist and will fuck your stack

[manic wolf]

Largely inconsequential if you have HT already up, you can just build it back up from an already solid basline

[unreal stirrup]

also you need to build it over again when reengaging

[mighty belfry]

I mean, deci is still gonna lack in uptime

[low harbor]

tac axe can hit it

[mighty belfry]

And the other option, actually isn't going to have as big of an issue with uptime now while actually making the sword genuinely decent at armored targets

[low harbor]

the real peak is slaughter spree but we're not rdy for that conversation

[mighty belfry]

Which also means you don't have to run channeled aggression anymore

[manic wolf]

Also very good tbf

[manic wolf]

Right, but its free damage ontop of your already very free damage

[mighty belfry]

As opposed to rending on a weapon that actually doesn't have good ADMs with an actually consistent proc requirement

[unreal stirrup]

is free damage worth the trade off of inconsistent and worse horde clear on caxe

like it is a lot of strength boost

[manic wolf]

On Caxe, not so much, TacAxe the difference is minimal at best

[mighty belfry]

And cuz of that, you can take a talent point from CA to put it to something that can help your damage output

[manic wolf]

It'll, on average three hit a Crusher with Rampage active, I dont think there is much reason to not take it tbh, its a lot more consistent in practice than it might seem

Bump that up to two/one shot with decent HV procs rolling

Like Decimator downtime on a weapon that has ultra-fast attacks is really not something you need to be worried about most of the time

[mighty belfry]

I am the first one to say shivs and even combat knife don't need rending but heavy sword having that kind of rending available now is kinda big

[manic wolf]

Oh for HS, yeah, that'll be pretty big, and with the light override swing too

[mighty belfry]

Thing is, heavy sword is a little slower on the draw

Oh

We talking axe

[manic wolf]

Taxe, yeh, at least that was what i was on about

Not sure whats gonna be feeling best on HS yet, but aint long before we find out

[mighty belfry]

But, yeah HT and Deci are honestly just fine on axes

[unreal stirrup]

I mean knife does need the rending

[mighty belfry]

It doesn't

Not on this class at least

Cuz this class's finesse output is insane

[lost ravine]

i think shivs are greatly improved by uncanny regardless

[unreal stirrup]

uncanny make shiv heavy reach near 100 cara adm

also make light doesn't suck against flak

[mighty belfry]

It's funny because I legit never notice shiv lights sucking on flak without uncanny

Esp since hypercrit very often just overrides that issue entirely

or you've gotten enough overkill ramped up from hyperviolence that they just die anyway

Though this is more for rampage

Uncanny helps way more on desp or crate builds

[manic wolf]

Give Splash Damage + 50% bigger dodges already Fatshark

[unreal stirrup]

I still think nimble gonna be better

because it also add dodge linger

50% dodge is way overkill

[shrewd chasm]

So if gang tough is being removed but they added a system to build up to that does that mean all 8 of my hive scum builds are basically only going to be built up to the grenades

If I read the patch notes right

[verbal dew]

no they'll try to follow your current paths

[shrewd chasm]

Ok

I hope to saint messelina I don't have tebuild all 8 of them

I still can't belive hive scum went from me being somewhat disappointed in hive scum to my fav class with the most loadput presets I've experiemnted with

[verbal dew]

I mean I'm gonna rebuild it all anyway

so it's not like when all the other trees got reset and didn't have any changes

[mighty belfry]

On some weapons

Some weapons are probably gonna like the distance better

Like rashad

Or heavy sword

[lost ravine]

for me hive scum went from "not interested whatsoever" to "i played cyberpunk and now i want this" to "this class is epic" to "this class is TOO epic"

the class do be extremely juiced

[mighty belfry]

I do think if they're gonna lean into toxin synergies as heavy as they are with the rework

I feel toxin needs some adjusting

[unreal stirrup]

toxin is the strongest dot in the game by a large margin

[mighty belfry]

It is basically the anime protagonist of DoTs right now

[unreal stirrup]

doesn't help that they tick the fastest roo

[mighty belfry]

And it's only going to be even stronger

[lost ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/elon-musk-smoking-gif-12477079

fatshark balancing team

[supple torrent]

love me devs, but true

[unreal stirrup]

ai balanced game

[supple torrent]

Are there any guns tht are good into carapce? Other than uuuh plasma and needle?

[lost ravine]

hand cannon revolvo

and boltgun somewhat

[supple torrent]

yeah that makes sense

[verbal dew]

isn't mk8 exec shotty p good if you headshot?

[lost ravine]

probably

[bronze glade]

Most vet guns

Can be forced into being good against carapace

Ironically plasma isn’t really good against carapace

[marble seal]

heavysword 3m dam game this rotation I feel it

heavysword chads rise...

[glacial gyro]

I can't wait for this event to end

[reef spoke]

I'm running the agri shotgun solely to break open bulwark shields from the front on my shooter chars lol

the fact it 1-2 taps reapers helps too

[manic wolf]

Nah, like I said yesterday, if one dodge can send you past the guard railings into cover, thats huge

[mighty belfry]

our time is now

[nocturne wadi]

i cant get mods to work not since 2024 is there a new bat file or something that toggles the mods

[reef spoke]

"doubled crusher spawns"

[manic wolf]

So just the current event modifier then?

[light phoenix]

A question, is there any "weak builds" online?

Looking to play with newcomer friend on lower difficulty and still want a challenge. Not sure if to just use no talents and white weapons only

[reef spoke]

yes c:

[mighty belfry]

Don't care. I can cleave through those bastards now

And get actually meaningful rending

[reef spoke]

oh? I shall report to the balance team that crushers can be killed by heavy sword now. Expect a day 1 patch just for you UwU

[reef spoke]

desperado crowbar

[mighty belfry]

Honestly

[manic wolf]

Unironically, I feel like Splash Damage is gunna get hit before it reaches live

[glacial gyro]

Its literally the poxbursters

spawning in waves of five hundred from multiple angles is not ok

[reef spoke]

that's why you have teammates as ablative armor

[mighty belfry]

That's not even what's the most exciting about Hsword buff

It's the sprint buff that's really catching my eye

[glacial gyro]

its why I have a fucking smyker on my team every time to give me anxiety

[mighty belfry]

Because that makes it really nice for every class

[manic wolf]

HS getting buffed, whilst DClaw is left to suffer 😢

[mighty belfry]

Maybe I'm coping but

This could be a sign they're looking into a means of buffing dclaw

[reef spoke]

a smyker that has unbound their dodge key :c

[manic wolf]

Thats all of them tho

[light phoenix]

Dual DClaws

[manic wolf]

[manic wolf]

One can only hope tbh

[reef spoke]

a sad but surprisingly true statement...

I think the last time Devil Claw was actually good was Patch 13 lol

a golden period where devil claw was better than power sword

[mighty belfry]

It's crazy on this class tbf

But only this class

[manic wolf]

Its acceptable, its pretty crazy on Psyker tho imo

Parry 100 fucking Ragers type shit

[reef spoke]

yeah :c

[glacial gyro]

The fact that they make it so you cant kill the bursters by shoving actually makes it worse since the damn things are frozen close enough that if they explode you die, but shoving them won't kill them, so essentially its just 'whenever the smyker stops smiting, everyone dies'

[reef spoke]

I just shoot them now

[mighty belfry]

This right here

[reef spoke]

they're staggered in a way where you can't push them all

so just open fire

[manic wolf]

The ultimate in time-delay fuse technology

[mighty belfry]

I don't think people really understand how disruptive it is for a smyker to constantly do their thing

Just to let go

And everything starts behaving as normal immediately

Which really throws the engagement off a lot

[reef spoke]

at least smyker applies the electrified debuff so Arbites can stunlock everyone before the smite ends

[manic wolf]

It's not something the average casual player is gonna pick up on tbh, its something everyone else notices when all their buffs stop working properly

[reef spoke]

shock maul my beloved

[manic wolf]

The Psyker? No impact to them whatsoever

[glacial gyro]

The most fun part is the fuse is anywhere between two and ten seconds long and you have no fucking idea how long and you now have instant death barrels mixed in with the horde you're trying to kill that also can't move but you need to keep your toughness up because there's shooters pelting you so you're now playing fucking minesweeper with an AOE cursor

[mighty belfry]

It's something that's also enabled by how long you can hold smite

Which I think should have been changed a long time ago

[marble seal]

Any 500 wep + full 30 point build is going to be too strong

[mighty belfry]

But, here we are I guess

[reef spoke]

Danger Close mod mandatory - the event UwU

[manic wolf]

Minesweeper, but Darktide, for real

[marble seal]

Deselect all your talents and level up alongside them

[glacial gyro]

And the SMyker is sitting there int he back like "I'm helping, you all keep going down because you're bad!"

[manic wolf]

Undoubtebly. Smite should have been one of the first things to get a rework, but casual players love it coz "muh CC"

[reef spoke]

average smyker mission (hint: only 1 person is going down)

[glacial gyro]

Smite crushers, smite bulwarks, smite ragers, stop smiting poxwalkers and bursters!

[mighty belfry]

Why was this the inferno smyker I had in my havoc the other night

[manic wolf]

Only smite when a teammate needs to be rez'd in a shitfest

Do DPS instead

[mighty belfry]

I even said to them at the beginning "you're cooked psyker"

[glacial gyro]

Smite is a pause button on a fucked situation, not the answer to everything, becaue hordes bunching up is actually super important for melee classes

[manic wolf]

Not to mention it actively breaks a whole ass bunch of talents

On dodge? Nah get fucked

No buffs for you

[mighty belfry]

Smite is a devil's claw user's worst enemy

S2g

[glacial gyro]

God damn I didn't even think about that, yeah that explains why having a spammy smyker around makes me feel like I do less damage, because I do

[manic wolf]

Yup.

Its rough

Barrel all smykers

[loud herald]

hey question, how bad is the mk1 devil's claw vs the best mark

I tried using it with goblin's devil claw build since my mastery isn't 10 so I can't swap the marks and it felt bad

[lost ravine]

besides the devil's claw user themselves, you mean

[limber cradle]

Your own worst enemy, huh? https://youtu.be/sc5iTNVEOAg?si=p4O2BoJCGDTLkRz2

[lost ravine]

always

[mighty belfry]

Mk1 is arguably the worst of the bunch by far

[loud herald]

heck

[mighty belfry]

And by a pretty big margin

[loud herald]

so I should just use the other mark til I get mastery 10 lol

[mighty belfry]

Because there's no reliable overhead strikes on it

[loud herald]

dang

good to know

i'll play around with the other mark til I get mastery 10

ty

[mighty belfry]

Ya 4 and 7 are better by far unfortunately

[loud herald]

tyty

[zenith pagoda]

What time is update

[loud herald]

12 hours 40 ish mins if we follow havoc timer

oh wait sorry for ping but is it wrath or something else on dclaw for blessing @mighty belfry

I thought someone said wrath being on the build was a mistake

[manic wolf]

I fuckin hate Psykers so much ¬.¬

AoE spam setting off every poxburster in people's faces, every barrel in the map, constant irritation to be in a lobby with

[reef spoke]

rumbler ogryn and purg psykers trigger the "this fucker is more dangerous than the enemy" vibes

[manic wolf]

Purgatus/Trauma

Also Rumbler yeah

If anything, I find Trauma to be worse than Purg' because people lack the common sense to think "maybe I shouldnt constantly drop AoE's right where the frontliner is standing"

[lost ravine]

what's so bad about that

[mighty belfry]

Shred

[loud herald]

ta

[mighty belfry]

You don't need any extra cleave with Dclaw on rampage

And crits help with hammerblow's impact bonuses

Or if you wanna be a damage enabler for your team, skullcrusher is actually valid too

Also works really well with pocket blinders

[manic wolf]

It makes good positions, bad ones

Rumbler does the same

[mighty belfry]

Oh and also coated weaponry procs

Helps with d Claw's somewhat lacking armor damage

[manic wolf]

Funny you mention that, I was thinking about how Splash Damage was gonna impact DClaw after it was bought up earlier, so it might actually be like super S-tier for Toxin abuse

[marble seal]

Knocking everything to the floor and breaking up clumps of enemies + their predictable patterns is usually worse for a competent melee player

[mighty belfry]

Oh d claw users are also eating with scum update tbh

[manic wolf]

It has decent cleave to hit lots of things, the tox DoTs are gonna mean its lower DPS output is less of a problem an it crits a whole ass bunch with Shred

[marble seal]

Only useful if there’s a billion ragers/crushers that they would be holding s on anyway

[manic wolf]

Yup. I love having to play circus performer and juggle enemies from 8 different directions when they could have just been from one direction ¬.¬

[marble seal]

The trick to trauma is to aoe blast just beyond their melee reach and let them
Engage with the immediate horde normally

[manic wolf]

For sure, it's looking promising

Wonder if there is any merit to running Cheap Shots an parry fishing with SC with the DoT stack potential

[mighty belfry]

Especially since

Pocket blinders + skullcrusher + splash damage

[manic wolf]

Yee

An Coated ofc

[mighty belfry]

Don't let the smite players hear you say this

They will never understand

And will live in their bubble of denial

Thank the Emperor that bubble is getting nerfed 🎉 🎉 🎉

[manic wolf]

Literally the Darktide equivilent of "their and there"

[marble seal]

It’s mostly just ignorance of how to play melee effectively

It’s understandable that the immediate thought is stunlock = good

[mighty belfry]

Yeah. Never really learned so they don't know relatively how smite messes up the flow of melee combat

[marble seal]

I was smite bubble psyker for a long time when I first started playing

[manic wolf]

My condolences

[mighty belfry]

My friend has touched nothing but psyker

And play ek smite bubble

I told him about the update and told him

"It's time."

You must abandon what you know

[manic wolf]

Thats a very polite way of saying "play a real build"

[mighty belfry]

And adapt to the greener pastures my friend.

it's funny because their favorite keystone

Is Disrupt destiny

I've seen them play

I know they'd be bonkers with Scrier's

But they like being supportive.

[marble seal]

We need a cultural revolution down to the countryside movement for psykers that forces them to play 1 month of knife zealot

[mighty belfry]

Man it's funny cuz my first build

Was shroudfield knife zealot

I did not learn very good habits with that

[marble seal]

Knife is the best melee learning weapon at least

No stagger, no reach. Learn to manage dodges with stamina at the same time

[mighty belfry]

Do you think so? I dunno. The crazy dodge distance is really hard to adjust from if that's the first weapon you're using

And I mean that was at least a solid like

[marble seal]

Stagger can lead to a lot of blind spots

[mighty belfry]

Near 100 of my first hrs

[mighty belfry]

You know what, I'll give you that.

Mobility don't matter if you can just stop whatever's trying to hit you

[manic wolf]

Counterpoint; OG Shovel

[marble seal]

That’s a good one too

[manic wolf]

Teaches you how to use movesets effectively and has one reliable attack for stagger when needed, but you can't ride soley on said move

[mighty belfry]

I hate to say it too

Power sword is kinda good for that too

Ridiculously strong but it really tests your melee fundamentals because if you don't have em, you're 100% getting overwhelmed with its awful mobility and need to be activated

[manic wolf]

I still can't play Psword with over 3K hours in this fuckin game

[mighty belfry]

But if you do learn em, power sword is hella busted

[mighty belfry]

I can play it.

I just don't like it personally.

[manic wolf]

Jup, thats why I never bothered learning it

Low-mobility weapon just feels ass

[mighty belfry]

I can't agree because I fucking LOVE the crusher

[manic wolf]

Thats a bit of an exception to the rule, will give you that

[mighty belfry]

I wish scum had it

[manic wolf]

I also enjoy Crusher, is premium bonk

Wish Scum had the Crusher and the Shovel tbh

[limber cradle]

Crusher would go insane on scum ngl

[manic wolf]

So would Shovel

Wouldnt mind a big-sword either, but not like Relic sword

[mighty belfry]

I mean

That basically is the heavy sword

[limber cradle]

Bigger

Two handed

[manic wolf]

Aye true enough tbf

[limber cradle]

Give us GKs longsword

[manic wolf]

Aye, a longsword would be pretty nice actually

[mighty belfry]

I cannot wait to see new heavy sword

[manic wolf]

Something inbetween relic sword an heavy sword

[mighty belfry]

That is legit like

The thing I'm most excited for

[manic wolf]

Heavysword really is about to be as strong as pre-armour spam days

[mighty belfry]

I'm all for it

I wanted an adm adjustment

[marble seal]

I’m not sure I want to take off a blessing for bladed momentum

[mighty belfry]

But an entire rework that actually requires using the moveset to its fullest while also being way more mobile?

I'll take it

[mighty belfry]

I think of it as a way to get around CA tax for ir

So I can run another talent

[zenith pagoda]

Nah... Powersword

[marble seal]

I’m wondering on zealot if it’s worth taking bladed

[zenith pagoda]

Power sword rampage

[marble seal]

Heavysword fury zealot goes hard on dreg seeds

I don’t wanna give up head taker or death blow 😢

[mighty belfry]

I mean, could just run the seed and see what you get and change it accordingly

Once you hit 40 anyway

[marble seal]

Excited to see how hard the new havoc spawns are

[mighty belfry]

If you're talking about that whole post about Terror Events going around

Apparently

That was not true.

According to some folks in psy chat

Syllogism specifically said it I think

[upbeat pendant]

Aw man no 1.5x crusher spam? Sadge

[ashen osprey]

Oh no
I don't like the stub pistols
Help, I want to like them, so so badly

[compact folio]

I love the stub pistols so much

[upbeat pendant]

Well stubs are getting buffed, can check again after the update

[compact folio]

What puts you off?

[ashen osprey]

I just don't see what they do better than the autopistols

Maybe the psykanium makes them unflattering, that's happened before

[compact folio]

Yeaaah... Well. Range and precision damage but yeah the autopistols are kinda nuts

But I really enjoy them

Plus, bonus points for being stylish

[mighty belfry]

They're a melee sidearm

[compact folio]

flipping your guns around and getting 100% accurate increased damage shots while stylish on enemies is pretty sick

[mighty belfry]

They're not meant to be used like autopistols

Which you can make a build around using

Deal with stuff in melee

Pull out to deal with annoying specialist

Rinse repeat

[compact folio]

Hell, with their piercing, they still work amazingly with hordes

[bronze glade]

stubpis is pretty thoroughly mid rn

[upbeat pendant]

Can’t you already do it with a normal melee build, instead of needler you use stubs, you trade good boss dmg for a ranged specialist killer

[ashen osprey]

Thing is
If I wanna do precision, I also have the stub revolver and bolt pistol, both of which appear to do it better

[compact folio]

Yeah, I get that

[mighty belfry]

Which is where the real issue with them is

There's just better options for what they do

[bronze glade]

stubpis is unreliable, has a small mag, poor accuracy, and a lengthy reload

[compact folio]

But they don't feel as g... Well... Bolt pistol is uh... Yeah. It definitely feels as good.

[bronze glade]

the only thing it's good at is aura

[mighty belfry]

But they are definitely the most stylish

[ashen osprey]

They LOOK fucking AWESOME though

[bronze glade]

that's all they got going for them

[compact folio]

I mean, I wouldn't say they have poor accuracy when you can get 100% accuracy on shots with the special

[bronze glade]

if i wanted to use a charge weapon

i'd go and play helbore on vet instead

[ashen osprey]

Is it a guaranteed crit on the special too?

[bronze glade]

lol

lmao even

[compact folio]

That or just a shit load of damage. I don't remember, been some time.

[bronze glade]

if it was a guaranteed crit

i wouldn't be calling the gun mid

[compact folio]

Big damage then

[astral canyon]

+20% crit chance

[bronze glade]

not sure it even does bonus damage

it's crit and maybe stagger?

idr

[compact folio]

Ah I see

[astral canyon]

Increased finesse damage

[bronze glade]

and obviously better accuracy

[compact folio]

👍

[ashen osprey]

Oh yeah the other issue I have with both the stubs and auto pistols
no marks :(

[compact folio]

Oh and yeah well, this is about Hive Scum, otherwise yeah.

[mighty belfry]

Kinda wish there was a slower firing, full auto stub mark

Kinda like a CZ75

[ashen osprey]

Dual grease guns :)

[compact folio]

But they really have a huge bonus for style.

[ashen osprey]

I just wish they felt as powerful as they looked

[compact folio]

And it's not like they're bad. They still work great in most situations. Of course that could be a problem in high level havoc if you're really looking for optimizing but they really manage

[compact folio]

But I'd say that's valid enough

[ashen osprey]

The autopistols are better against crowds, revolver and bolt pistol are better for precision, range, and single-shot damage
They just kinda miss the mark of sitting in between

[bronze glade]

yeah well turns out having a charge on a weapon that's supposed to be a quick reaction sidearm is kinda really ass

a lot of HIV weapons are just so laughably poorly designed

[mighty belfry]

And then there's shivs and needle pistol

[upbeat pendant]

Crowbar 🥀

[mighty belfry]

Which are arguably class defining in how good they are

[bronze glade]

yeah fortunately

[upbeat pendant]

And needler wasn’t even touched in patch

[ashen osprey]

Maybe if the reload was faster and the special actually did guarantee a crit

[mighty belfry]

Needler isn't an issue itself

It's the toxin

And the synergy with pickpocket that's the real issues with it

[ashen osprey]

I haven't had much of a chance to explore the crowbar but it, too, feels ass to use in the psykhanium

[upbeat pendant]

They could’ve just put a lower cap on the needler tox caps and lowered the max ammo

[bronze glade]

you shouldn't judge a weapon by its psyk performance

[mighty belfry]

It's not very spammable without pp though

[bronze glade]

you should take it out to a live match and see how shit it is there too

[mighty belfry]

Adjusting ammo count doesn't really do anything because it's fine without pickpocket and then pickpocket nullifies any real balancing adjusting ammo count could do

[ashen osprey]

The CC mode feels like a worse power maul and the single-target mode is SO FUCKING SLOW

[bronze glade]

well the single target mode should be buffed soon

so hopefully that'll feel better

doesn't fix the wep's normal mode tho

/ general moveset issues

[ashen osprey]

Which is super strange because I absolutely adore the power maul

It's my favorite zealot weapon

[bronze glade]

power maul? that's an ogryn weapon

are you thinking of crusher?

or shock maul?

[ashen osprey]

Yeah the crusher
My bad

[bronze glade]

well crusher actually has massive cc

and good damage output

unlike cbar lol

[ashen osprey]

Crusher flattens crowdsand easily staggers ogryns for your teammates
CC just
Sucks

Also the chem nade feels like a better immolation grenade

[bronze glade]

yeh

[upbeat pendant]

Iirc someone said other tox applications cap at 16 stacks? I’d say lower the needler tox cap to 16 and make it two shot to hit 16 then lower the ammo to 50 so you only get 10 shots per pp proc (which tbf is still enough just not too low that pp is mandatory), which should make it more effective against everything instead of being way too good against bosses

[ashen osprey]

Oh yeah what are the mk3 shivs good for

[bronze glade]

memes

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1447448646168739880/31F6591.MP4?ex=69b984d9&is=69b83359&hm=2198befba399d28295cc6356feb68fd8d8bccbb9c0be49bf80952e11636bc54c&

[upbeat pendant]

What’s the skull icon beside the shivs?

[mighty belfry]

Could be a good start honestly

[bronze glade]

uh one of the mods. maybe helbore auto charge? or skitarius? idr

prob skitarius

[ashen osprey]

O hj

[unreal stirrup]

better flak adm to start

[reef spoke]

power dclaw when?

[austere coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-crazy-crazy-cat-insane-cat-going-insane-gif-5752628082217795406

gimme da update

[silver mural]

We need to make 4 man hive scum groups all with stim supply and see how long they can last after the timer ends lol

[lavish bronze]

In 11 to 14 hours it will drop

[river skiff]

You sure?

[fast gust]

[low harbor]

usually updates are early 8~9am EST

[river skiff]

Aren't they a Finnish company

[mighty belfry]

Swedish

[river skiff]

My bad

Knew it was some of the Nordic countries

[ashen osprey]

I'm fucking sorry?
Is- Is this not infinite ammo?

[near mauve]

Yes

[ashen osprey]

Game balance has left the chat

[lavish bronze]

Dont worry it gets nerfed today

[lofty sand]

what's the new version?

[ashen osprey]

Nerf it how? They could make it 5%, make it once every 30 seconds, it'd still be broken

Holy shit Veteran giving, what was it, 2% per elite kill? THAT was class-definingly broken

[lavish bronze]

You will need to kill in Melee

[near mauve]

This class just outputs insane dps but isn't "tanky"

And gunscum is indeed stupid

[ashen osprey]

That is not enough

[novel folio]

Hard drugs to fight radiation. Sounds like a good party to me.

[upbeat pendant]

The change will bring pure ranged builds down a notch, needler will be completely unaffected though since it’ll be with a melee build anyways. But yeah it’s still infinite ammo

[lavish bronze]

We know

But darktide shitter would cry and review bomb the game

[ashen osprey]

Ah yeah, the helldivers treatment

[zenith fern]

Chinese whiners

Whinge whinge whinge

[main holly]

honestly only the dual autopistols "need" pickpocket

dual stub pistols and the rest: trigger discipline will serve you a long way

and if you still need ammo, pick the ammo aura

[mighty belfry]

see like

did people forget gunslinger is a thing when they said this was gonna kill ranged builds

if anything

it just actually gives more value to that aura now

[main holly]

jupp + you can still do melee kills ^^

it is not that hard and with desperado gunslinger and maulers i usually go in melee unless desp is active

as i tend to use the guns out of desp very sparingly, i will probably barely notice the change

also i don't understand crying about infinite ammo. if it bothers someone so much, tehy shoudl either play it themselves or give assail psyker a try xD

[spice cloud]

No u need to learn ammo management

[main holly]

points at quotes

[upbeat pendant]

It’s the most ammo hungry from my experience, without pp you’re better off with the shredder or iag or just going for a melee build

[main holly]

i do prefer teh stub pistols tbh, lookin forward to their buff today.
as for the dual autopistols there is a reason i set it in quotes. yes tehy are the most ammo hungry, btu if you don't go full 90's action movie hero you shoudl be fine. i usually only pick them when i want a less clicky gameplay (not i will not get a mod to click for me) or if i go for auric/hardmode twins

hyperlethal crit just works so much better with the stub pistols :3 as crits oneshot almost any human sized enemy

[spice cloud]

I think its still very feasable

Its just one melee kill

[upbeat pendant]

You also can get a sore arm from using the DAP, constantly pulling down for 40 mins straight can do that

[spice cloud]

Wich is very managable

U can still blast as much as u want as long as u kill 1 enemy in melee inbetween 3 magazines

Wich is very managble imo

And also makes a lot more sense since it pickpocket not telepathypocket

[upbeat pendant]

Yeah its manageable just not as broken as before

And if you try to play the new pp with DAP like before which was just spamming body shots, you’re gonna waste a lot of time proc pp back, so now you’ll actually need to aim with them which is a good change

[main holly]

agreed

[zenith pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/kingpin-spider-man-spiderverse-into-the-spiderverse-clicking-gif-8798937323542139102

Oh nice the new DLSS makes games look like AI slop

[manic wolf]

It doesn't, because that talent only procs on melee

[main holly]

i thougth that was fixed, no?

[manic wolf]

Huh? It always only proc'd on melee hits

The thing people debated for a while was if it broke HV on proc, but it does not

[main holly]

maybe my midn just wanted it to be liek that and i never read clearly xD

that IS possible with me

[foggy lantern]

True and besides which, pre-nerf pickpocket basically invalidated Desperado as an ability unless you were using DAPs.

[upbeat pendant]

Anyone able to test street tough? i cant get creature spawner to work without crashing

[spice cloud]

I think it procs on anything not just melee

Hypercrit

[frigid sluice]

What changes did hivescum get

[astral canyon]

Kuli guide said melee only

[spice cloud]

But a crit is a crit no?

It doesnt say melee only

I mean if he tested it ill belive it

[astral canyon]

He looked through the game files lol

[spice cloud]

Aight

Guess its melee only

[tranquil turret]

So are stub pistols good at handling crushers now?

[unreal stirrup]

🤦

[astral canyon]

No lmao

[tranquil turret]

awwwww

[astral canyon]

They should be quite a bit better as sidearms tho i think

[tranquil turret]

Back to needle pistol I go

[astral canyon]

Which is the main thing they are good for

[unique spire]

Random clip for me to up my ego

[river skiff]

I think it is here!!

[upbeat pendant]

Yeah its out

[unreal stirrup]

damnation

[unique spire]

Auric

[tranquil turret]

The best trait is probably gonna be the new kid on the block where you give 10 enemies toxin whenever killing a specialist or elites with melee

[upbeat pendant]

time to toughnessmax

[unreal stirrup]

that like nothing

[fallen coyote]

Only 208?

[tranquil turret]

Splash damage + sample collector = 20% stim CD in short period

[upbeat pendant]

idk how much the other dr buffs adds up yet and i cant test in creature spawner, waiting for an update

[upbeat pendant]

depends though, its 2 stacks, unless they were all dregs, they probably wont die to the tick

[tranquil turret]

fair, though specialists/elites tends to spawn in groups anyway in auric/havocs

nothing looked more attractive than a group of shotgunners standing next to each other 😄

as far as I can see no CD on splash damage which is surprising

[astral canyon]

Just melee kill an elite and up to 10 trash enemies are dead

Plus the tox symergy

[tranquil turret]

plus the crate refresh trait, it'll be crate for days in auric/havocs

[manic wolf]

No, but it only ever refreshes to 2 stacks (Still giga-OP tho)

[tranquil turret]

yeah

stack duration is still great, I'll take it

[hallow socket]

Wats the new stubs like?

Oh yeah they changed the shivs too

[zenith pagoda]

How do the shivs feel now?

The MK1 was nerfed by 50% cleave right? Was the MK3 buffed at all?

[hallow socket]

I'm 7.3 gb out of 19.2. through the update

[astral canyon]

The heavy sweeps got slightly better damage and impact

[hallow socket]

Yeah the other shivs were

[astral canyon]

Idk if itll make much of a difference tbh

People will still prob use it just for the faster light spam

[sleek grove]

RIP pickpocket

i'll never forget you, you beautiful prince

[hallow socket]

I'm gonna try both and see the diff. Have a go at expeditions then mess with all the other classes.

[astral canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/packwatch-ripbozo-pitalonzo-alex-lafreniere-alex-iafreniere-gif-18890780

Not like pickpocket nerf was actually that significant

[hallow socket]

Hybrid players rejoice

[zenith pagoda]

And the cleave is much better than MK1 now

[sleek grove]

Uh? Now you need to kill stuff with melee attacks

[astral canyon]

Oh right true

[astral canyon]

Yeah

[hallow socket]

I'm keen

[astral canyon]

Barely a slap on the wrist

[sleek grove]

How is that no significant 😂

[hallow socket]

Hivver got so buffed

Zelly got squat, keen to try Oggy too.

[astral canyon]

Just bring shivs/knife and melee some random specialist/elite

[hallow socket]

Zelly lowkey solo god

[river skiff]

100% of time in pseudo rampage AHAHAHAH

This is actually broken patch

[hallow socket]

Yeah boi

I know right

It's silly

[river skiff]

I will have so much fun

[muted pivot]

Do shivs 1 need cleave talents now?

[river skiff]

Kinda

[muted pivot]

Both talents?

[stark flower]

Hive scum op now for melee with bone saw

[river skiff]

Both talents will feel like one of them now

[astral canyon]

Maybe? Will need some testing to determine

[zenith pagoda]

It says the moving target talent has been removed?

[astral canyon]

Lol

Lmao

[river skiff]

At least to mixed hordes

[unreal stirrup]

bonesaw lmao

[river skiff]

Trash enemies should be still alright

[stark flower]

What?

It go massive buffs

[unreal stirrup]

patch note?

[balmy radish]

what was like the wind?

[astral canyon]

No?

Bonesaw is completely unchanged

[stark flower]

Watch mister e video on hive scum it’s 24 minutes long

[astral canyon]

Mister e💀

[stark flower]

The class was changed which will make bonesaw good

[balmy radish]

splash damage.. didn't psyker had something similar

[muted pivot]

Tox mechanics being different did that right?

[unreal stirrup]

ranged dodge angle when sprinting

[muted pivot]

I liked my bonesaw already though lol

[unreal stirrup]

perilous combustion

[muted pivot]

Only bastard out there using purple mode I think

[unreal stirrup]

except psyker work on specialist too and no target limit

but toxin is a much better scaling and dps dot

how the new heavy sword change

[river skiff]

Does anyone know how stagger works? now

I mean the talent

I am thinking of running it

[stark igloo]

moving target's meant to be removed right?

[river skiff]

I think so

[stark igloo]

huhhhhh

[zenith fern]

removed talent to replace with a effective dodge as active skill

Oh wait

[upbeat pendant]

ooo now you can get 7 dodges? before they remove it properly

[compact oyster]

alley rat is hilarious

you dodge so far

[unreal stirrup]

@astral canyon damn ilas buff actually good

[zenith fern]

theres nothing glass about this class anymore

[compact oyster]

also dont backdodge with alley rat

youll dodge so far out of melee distance

[unreal stirrup]

there nothing glass about this class from release

[upbeat pendant]

guess thats what happens when people complain

on the stores and forums that is

[upbeat gyro]

They should have just released Arbi and Hivescum in different order, as the jump from Arbi to Hivescum probably made people feel it more

[unreal stirrup]

lmao i was reading the patch note and one of the comment call for ds nerf

[silver mural]

Tbf that is the case with the other two "squishies" as well XD.

In darktide i guess if you are "squishy" it means you are tanky and if you are "tanky" it means you feel unkillable

[unreal stirrup]

actual tourist

• soulblaze

[compact oyster]

ok so

splash damage stacks at 4 stacks

[unreal stirrup]

wtf

not 2?

[compact oyster]

nope

[unreal stirrup]

lmao this shit so ass

that enough for bruiser

[compact oyster]

its more than enough

toxin has a really high trickrate

[upbeat pendant]

4? when i tested it, it was only 2?

[unreal stirrup]

I mean 4 is overkill