hivescum-class

[supple torrent]

No more gang tough right? So I that means an extra point for splash damage

[unreal stirrup]

what gang tough even do again

[supple torrent]

it make you tough gang

[livid raven]

10% ranged damage and 10% toughness resistance

[icy scaffold]

It was just free damage reduction I think

[bronze glade]

if the base toughness buff is enough

actually

either way it should still be possible to tank crusher overheads

on a rampage build

[verbal dew]

yeah

it's more so the overall bulk when not eating those

[zenith pagoda]

Anyone know what the new scum tree looks like

[drowsy relic]

https://youtu.be/BQT0Sjg0u2g?si=FLVzJ20wdUNsjaoe&t=27

[zenith pagoda]

WHAT

100 base toughness and an extra dodge

😭

Scum was already the most cracked class

[livid raven]

bro did you see the melee toxin talent

that extra dodge and 100 toughness seem nothing compared to it

[unreal stirrup]

this class have jitter btw

[zenith pagoda]

Ikr

[livid raven]

also yeah that extra dodge is kinda unnecessary

[zenith pagoda]

These buffs were completely unnecessary😭

[livid raven]

i suppose it makes iag have 4 dodges

[unreal stirrup]

the fact that you have 2 less tax node make jitter free

so yeah it is unnecessary

[zenith pagoda]

And they've added +50% dodge distance talent

[livid raven]

i suppose that's good for combat axe or something

did they remove untouchable

[unreal stirrup]

yeah only the best melee on scum or smt

[livid raven]

i'd rather use the crowbar than play with combat axe

[zenith pagoda]

Idk if this is better than nimble though

[livid raven]

i hate the crowbar

[unreal stirrup]

but with splash damage shiv might be better

[unreal stirrup]

nimble is free

[unreal stirrup]

aw hell nah

#zealot-class message

[livid raven]

lol

welcome back, vulture push 2

[unborn glade]

its a good change then

[zenith pagoda]

It was already the most cracked class in the game

Lmao

[livid raven]

i mean no, it's a stupid change, that talent is stupid

i dunno how you nerf pickpocket only for ranged builds and then turn around and make that obscenity

[unborn glade]

coated weaponry is far right talent

it applies poison on a crit

[livid raven]

that's crazy

[unborn glade]

good with shivs

but now since they want hs to engage more into melee with pickpocket - its good

[livid raven]

i don't think i get you but keep cooking

[zenith pagoda]

I don't think this is that Op

[unborn glade]

for instance before when you needed ammo and there's a crusher before you - you'd have to make a thousand cuts on him while there's a shitton of enemies around you

[low harbor]

they removed one +25 toughness node, so the total toughness is same as before
they also removed the +10% ranged dmg & x90% TDR node, so u actually lose a little bit in defense there

[unborn glade]

and now they'll die of poison making the fight easier

[unreal stirrup]

its basically perilous combustion but melee only

[livid raven]

was perilous only on elites

[unreal stirrup]

2 stack of toxin is enough to kill chaff too iirc

perilous is elites and specialist

don't have target cap + isn't limited to melee

[livid raven]

kinda strange this is only for elites tbh

[unreal stirrup]

but toxin is a stronger dot

[zenith pagoda]

Well they did nerf pickpocket ig

[unreal stirrup]

yeah in return they make melee scum even more op

[supple torrent]

Why didnt anyone tell me sample collector got moved

[unreal stirrup]

basically permanent

[livid raven]

yeah i mean

you can stack a lot of crit without even trying

[supple torrent]

Yeah and with sample collector moved and no more tax nodes I can grab every damage boosting skill

[unreal stirrup]

how is sample collector tax

[livid raven]

it's moved so you don't have to pay tax to get it

[unreal stirrup]

oh nvm im illiterate

[livid raven]

you misread

with splash damage, sample collector is even better for melee builds

[unreal stirrup]

pocket toxin + splash damsge

[astral canyon]

is 2 tox stacks enough to kill fodder?

[unreal stirrup]

"75s" stim

[livid raven]

i think so

[unreal stirrup]

yes iirc

[astral canyon]

damn

[livid raven]

that's a special mode of the sneedler no?

[spice hamlet]

anyone got tips for finishing the stimmed and alchemist penances?

[astral canyon]

which ones are that?

[spice hamlet]

full stacks of chemical dependency for 1000 and 2000 seconds

[limber cradle]

Just play chem dep

Use your stimm

[astral canyon]

just play the game with the keystone equipped

dont run the 60s duration node

[supple torrent]

Even its trivial to keep 60s uptime on a toxin build

[spice hamlet]

how much worth is in building a crit melee build for hive scum? cuz its got a couple of crit nodes

[limber cradle]

It's wonderful

[livid raven]

unless you are using a weapon with shit crit, there is no reason not to

[limber cradle]

Favorite way to play the class

Yeah

[livid raven]

as we have seen, there is also an upcoming talent that wants you to have 30% crit

[supple torrent]

Float like a butterfly is in a better location too

[spice hamlet]

Im assuming you stick with adrenaline frenzy over chemical dependency even tho it has a crit node

[muted pivot]

chem dep is great

[supple torrent]

either works

[muted pivot]

you can use either

[spice hamlet]

Ah ok

[muted pivot]

depends on weapon choice and preference

most people take chem dep without the 4 stacks node

I prefer to take it personally, but you need to have a half stimm for it

or go stimm crate

[spice hamlet]

Tac axe or knife? Or is the shivs better than the knife?

[livid raven]

shivs is generally better for melee builds

compared to the knife

[unreal stirrup]

shiv is much less stamina intensive

[livid raven]

also much more ignorant

[unreal stirrup]

although imo mk6 knife is better than the cleave heavy shiv

[livid raven]

spam m1 for hordes, spam heavy for single target

that's the life

[spice hamlet]

So like the mk1 shivs are more preferable than the mk3? I feel the mk3 are a little lackluster compared to the mk1

[livid raven]

mk3 are better at hordes with their lights

[limber cradle]

I like whichever has the twist in it

[livid raven]

but have to use push attacks for single targets

mk1 are simpler and more versatile

while not really lacking horde clear

[torpid cloud]

honestly

not a fan of the pickpocket change thats coming

but hey it is what it is

[astral canyon]

its a good change

and honestly barely a nerf really

[torpid cloud]

not the playstyle i liked on scum sadly

[astral canyon]

you just have to melee an elite or specialist occasionally

[livid raven]

it's obviously going to kill ranged builds but it's fine

[torpid cloud]

should make it worth on melee scum tho tbh
i think

[livid raven]

it doesn't impact melee builds at all, no

maybe it's even easier to get, since they condensed the tree a bit

didn't check

[torpid cloud]

the single reason i liked the guy xD

[livid raven]

i mean

yeah, same

[astral canyon]

and honestly barely does anything for ranged builds

[livid raven]

i'll just return when they return it to how it was

[astral canyon]

all it actually does is kill the perma-shooting gun scum playstyle which good riddance

[livid raven]

yeah all it does is kill the ranged build

i agree

[astral canyon]

the actual builds are fine

[limber cradle]

"kill ranged builds" just auto crit some elite with your shivs and they die

[supple torrent]

^

[plush cove]

honestly I played Hive Scum with ranged dual macs build in H40s a few times...it was so mind-numbing that I basically havent touched Hive Scum for MONTHS. The Pickpocket nerf will probably let rqeuire some actual brainpower to play

[supple torrent]

Watich me 3 tap this crusher with a ranged build real quick

[limber cradle]

If you needed pp to run a ranged build you didn't deserve the ranged build.

[plush cove]

I like this sentiment

[livid raven]

i have decided that i will just go play europa universalis 4 instead

[supple torrent]

Its gonna suck running out of ammo when gunning down a trapper. I know its gonna happen

[torpid cloud]

which raises the question if shoving those expoding bastards counts as a melee kill

[livid raven]

don't think so

[plush cove]

maybe hive scums will learn how to actually dodge trappers lol. Mostly speaking to ppl who started out first with scum

[torpid cloud]

god forbid someone has fun xD

[supple torrent]

Doesnt change much. I was gunning down bursters too

[limber cradle]

Your fun was unhealthy for the game.

[torpid cloud]

hopefully while theyre not near teammates

[supple torrent]

Only when the zealot was charging them

[livid raven]

your fun was unhealthy for the game, says the supposedly melee hivescum running around with the sneedler

[supple torrent]

obviously

[limber cradle]

I use .45s

[bronze glade]

i still don't thnk rampage should've lost the exhaust mechanic

[limber cradle]

I have almost since release

[plush cove]

sometimes I kinda wish Hive Scum's mobility was more IN LINED with other classes (obviously with proper substitutions), cuz whenever I play other classes after scum, my mobility muscle memory gets all WHACK.

[limber cradle]

They're one of the most fun ranged options in this game

[supple torrent]

As a casul rampage exhaust mechanic could snowball a bit too hard

You just lost way too many stats

[limber cradle]

I didn't notice the rampage debuff until I did

If that makes sense

[livid raven]

oh wait i read they nerfed the heavy sword

[supple torrent]

Whenever it ran out I just started calculating all the damage I would take from one poxwalker

[limber cradle]

I ran out of rampage and popped a stimm tbh

[supple torrent]

coward talk. I pop rampage and attack speed/damage stimm at the same time

[verbal dew]

does it heal carapace enemies now

[limber cradle]

I'd normally get the stimm back during rampage on first use

[torpid cloud]

i mean at least now i have a reason to learn melee scum

[spice hamlet]

Oh thats nice I start using heavy sword more often now its getting nerfed

[supple torrent]

Fair

[livid raven]

https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/fatshark/optimized/3X/d/a/da3a5663126dc44bc170a7bcb1691e8b539fd336_2_354x500.jpeg

[torpid cloud]

so should i just pivot to crowbar then

[spice hamlet]

Simple fix, give scum dueling sword

[supple torrent]

Apparently cbar should feel a little smoother now

[livid raven]

i'm not sure duelling sword would even be that good

[torpid cloud]

its already good on psyker and zealot

[unreal stirrup]

ignore armor abort?

[livid raven]

i think its hordeclear is just ass

[unreal stirrup]

carapace cleave real?

[unreal stirrup]

ds is pretty much just a stat stick in havoc

[livid raven]

yeah for the uhh

i forgot its name

the armor penetration

[verbal dew]

uncanny strike

[livid raven]

rending, that is

couldn't remember the term fatshark uses

[limber cradle]

I wouldn't use it as long as I can Shiv tbh

[livid raven]

oh they made like a wind baseline

[limber cradle]

Shiv special too much dopamine to give up

[spice hamlet]

I like to twirl my crowbur

[lost ravine]

i like to spin my pistols

[supple torrent]

I like one tapping crushers

[limber cradle]

Big same

[spice hamlet]

Oh damn I forgot they can do that

[supple torrent]

I forgot they existed

[spice hamlet]

Im curious what's the least used weapon for scum so far

[livid raven]

probably bonesaw

surprised there is no bonesaw change

[supple torrent]

I dont think i've seen a revolver scum

[livid raven]

oh if you include ranged weapons, it might be revolver yeah

[supple torrent]

Like its not bad. You just have more interetsting options

In lower difficulties I pretty much only see shivs

[verbal dew]

desp revolver sound kinda fun tho

[lost ravine]

it is

magdump crushers because funni

[spice hamlet]

Well that sucks for bonesaw but what melee do you run if your going toxin? That's like the only option other than shiv

[supple torrent]

gonna be reloading for half the desp

[livid raven]

there isn't really a thing like "going toxin"

[livid raven]

it's kinda ok with the hipshot one

[final temple]

bonesaw gets a 10% damage buff by just existing.

[verbal dew]

ye that's what I was thinking if any

[livid raven]

also very clearly outclassed by like every other gun

[final temple]

there's a new talent node that gives 10% melee damage for having somebody inTOXicated in 15m around you

[supple torrent]

Oh man my brain is so wired for old zealot I forgot there are 2 revolver marks

[livid raven]

while that's cool and all, there is also a talent that inflicts 2 stacks of toxin to 10 enemies in a 4m range on elite kill

[final temple]

yeah but these supposedly dont stack further. no idea how that works with a tox weapon

guess similar to the equivalent node for psyker. stacks from other sources, just not with itself

[verbal dew]

well psyker has wildfire

[unreal stirrup]

man im excited for hsword change

[marble seal]

What did they do to my boy

[final temple]

massive buffs overall.

[final temple]

I actually misremebered. an inTOXicated target takes 10% more damage from ALL sources. this turns bonesaw into a support weapon

looking at the tree in the preview, if it releases like that, melee scum is gonna be brutal

[blissful gull]

so is hive scum now going to be the strongest class in the game bar none?

[final temple]

from what I have seen I would say at least melee scum is the strongest class, with ranged and tox support scum being extremely strong

[blissful gull]

i think flame staff psyker is still probably better in havoc tho just b/c off infinte cleave on demand

[final temple]

melee scum gets to basically ignore chaff and is safer in melee than melee psyker. its wild

and that is even without reworked keystones. VM and frenzy are still shite

[blissful gull]

the 50% dodge distance one seems really funny; i think you can dodge faster than sprinting

[final temple]

crabmode engaged

[marble seal]

Easy kiting with infinite needle pistol is what put scum over psyker for me

No purg changes, so purg back on top

Scum will have to occasionally interact with the game now

[final temple]

oh noes. having to occasional touch a specialist for ammo refill. or having to pick up one of the increased ammo spawns. its really gonna break the class

[marble seal]

Putting yourself at risk occasionally is a big change from never having to put yourself at risk yeah

[supple torrent]

Hey I had to go melee to kill the crusher

oh wait this is about needler

[lost ravine]

needle piss

(very silly weapon)

[final temple]

that is the usual reaction before somebody's insides liquify and evaquate through their orifices.

[mighty belfry]

I've been busy as hell at work

What am I hearing about hive scum getting buffed

[bronze glade]

they're getting a tree rework

[mighty belfry]

Oh my gos

Is all of that leaked info from a few weeks ago actually being implemented

Is hive scum getting perilous combustion but toxic

Oh by the emperor it looks like they are

Oh dear.

[bronze glade]

yup

pickpocket is getting a mild nerf

[mighty belfry]

I saw that.

Honestly barely even a nerf but yeah

[lost ravine]

fatshark been using stimms

[loud herald]

it's a nerf if you're the hive scum I get in my lobbies who don't know wtf melee is

but objectively yeah mild nerf

[bronze glade]

uninstalling the game, hive scum unplayable 😭

[loud herald]

literally unplayable

[lost ravine]

sometimes need to shank people

need to be in melee range to pick a pocket

[near relic]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/the-new-free-update-beyond-the-hive-is-coming-march-17/119275/36

[loud herald]

how could they.....

[icy scaffold]

Mild nerf but so inconvenient

[ionic solstice]

opportunist on crowbar y/n?

[mighty belfry]

Y

[mighty belfry]

Inconvenient?

[loud herald]

crowbar them up

[icy scaffold]

Yeah, I like shooting. Now I have to sometimes stab when I don’t want to stab.

[ionic solstice]

thinking opportunist and bash

[icy scaffold]

Psyker I can just press my ability if I don’t want to stop shooting my infinite ammo flamethrower

[loud herald]

lmk how that works

i'm curious to try crowbar again sometime

i've been shivs for a long while now lol

[bronze glade]

hope you have a fetish for shit weapons

[icy scaffold]

Reconlas Veteran only needs to pick up like a single ammo drop like halfway through the mission

[loud herald]

oh

most of the weapons being bad is why I hestiate to branch out of the good ones

even if I want 20 mastery on all weapons eventually

[ionic solstice]

any weapon is good if you're good enough at the game

[loud herald]

shorely

[lost ravine]

how you gonna pick the pocket from all the way over there

[mighty belfry]

So inconvenient.

[icy scaffold]

I believe hard enough. Duh.

[loud herald]

also kass, would you like to play if you're gaming now? I could use more dorktide buds

[mighty belfry]

[icy scaffold]

My faith in the emperor ensures that he slides a few bullets into my pocket for being a good boy

[zenith pagoda]

Does lethal prox affect the chem nade explosion radius?

So pocket toxin is buffed

[bronze glade]

it's not the emperor

the emperor would want you to engage in glorious melee combat

[loud herald]

yall like precognition or uncanny strike better?

on shivs

[bronze glade]

i prefer uncanny

[loud herald]

and are unyielding/carapace okay perks?

[icy scaffold]

Pretty sure yeah

[lost ravine]

Ye

[icy scaffold]

Also remember you get 2 chem throwing knives back when you kill a crusher

[loud herald]

I always forget about the damn throwing knives lmao

[zenith pagoda]

Default shivs cleave has been nerfed

[mighty belfry]

It does

Pocket toxin nades with Lethal prox are really good actually

[mighty belfry]

I like precog better

Its personal preference really

[loud herald]

[lost ravine]

orly

[mighty belfry]

Wait

Scum has Like the Wind by default now???

[astral canyon]

Ye

[mighty belfry]

yeah this all looks uh

I'm going to keep my final opinion withheld until I see how this tree plays out

But uh

They're really trying to make this class give psyker a run for their money

Wait

I'm so curious to see how reddit is gonna respond to the PP change lol

[lost ravine]

"RUINED THE GAME GG I QUIT"

[mighty belfry]

Good riddance

[lost ravine]

"i just want to shoot things and hate melee, this is not what i bought scum for"

when the melee game has melee

[near mauve]

who cares about reddit i want unhinged reviews from chinese players

they're very good at writing insane insults

[lost ravine]

melee scum is sure to inherit the mandate of heaven

[near mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/xi-wazzup-beijng-china-xi-jinping-gif-14279522050910085087

[mighty belfry]

I can't believe i have to kill one enemy in melee to get my infinite ammo

This is so sad.

That being said

There still is a bit of an issue

This doesn't really do anything about it for melee builds

But then again running pickpocket on melee builds is LAME

[near mauve]

tbh u dont need it in melee builds

ideally u should be a little gremlin rampaging wink wink

maybe its good to havoc in high havoc or whatever cause who can say no to free ammo

[lost ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/pokimane-stab-gif-21258926

[near mauve]

but in normal game nah

[mighty belfry]

I do.

[lost ravine]

yeah but you also spout dclaw propaganda

i will have none of it

[mighty belfry]

But Dclaw is actually good on this class dammit!

[lost ravine]

counterpoint: nuh uh

[mighty belfry]

Counterpoint: uh huh!

[lost ravine]

[mighty belfry]

I'll just be over here

Parrying a daemonhost

While you sit over there in your unbelief

Fruitless!

[lost ravine]

but why did you pull a daemonhost

[mighty belfry]

Because I know I'll kill it.

[lost ravine]

what about the corruption damage

[mighty belfry]

Flesh wound.

I'll be fine.

[lost ravine]

crouching trapper, hidden burster

[mighty belfry]

I cast health maximus to counter the one shot.

[lost ravine]

[brittle sierra]

Ew Twitch streamer

[lost ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/beefboys-peach-peachjars-disgust-reaction-gif-25539344

[brittle sierra]

Sorry I don't worship nurgle

Not my kind of guy

[lost ravine]

nor mine

[bronze crown]

Will Hive Scum ever get reward cosmetics for Havoc and Expeditions? 😩

[austere coyote]

nah

source

my butt

[warm axle]

they confirmed two colors of a cosmetic set tied to penances for only the four base classes.

[gilded torrent]

chud arbitrator who nobody gaf about: "urhm... you are SCUM! scummy scum scum scum!! i hate you!!! i can smell your FEAR im gonna mercy sanction cus im so cool and evil... "

the chemslinger scum going into cardiac arrest on havoc 30+ after intaking several synthetic combat stimms comprised of the same leftover chemical compounds that turn planets to GENUINE uninhabitable wastelands:

[lilac crystal]

me when im stimming and scumming

also when im in mexico

[lethal kraken]

Watched Mister E's video about the talent tree changes, and it seems the developers are telling me that I'm insane for not making a bone saw HS build.

[gilded torrent]

uhghh....,,, im so yellow

[clever wren]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=powBr8Hobbk

[spice cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/alhamdulillah-muslim-syukur-islamic-gif-5398119507154894066

I cant believe it

The obese shrimp actually listened

[bronze glade]

that was like the mildest slap on the wrist ever

[clever wren]

Walter white forced to melee a little bit.gif

[mighty belfry]

put a cooldown on that shi while ur at it

[gilded torrent]

this is really fucking annoying

[upbeat gyro]

Just a regular guy, passing buy this chat, but you guys should meetup IRL if you can and hangout

Okay not regular guy, finnish military, in artillery, i think drone warfare is here, and i am drunk. But what the fuck was that trailer?

[gilded torrent]

can you hear them

the drones

theyre coming for you

[upbeat gyro]

Yes

[gilded torrent]

you gotta hide

[upbeat gyro]

No

[gilded torrent]

you have to otherwise the russians will win

[upbeat gyro]

The whole western world is out of the current loop of FPV drones

We better catch fast, or otherwise be victims

Warfare has changed, are we still in 1907 formations when the 1917 tanks roll over

Makes blitzkrieg look like bitch kiss me

please

I am artillery, but that has also forever been changed by direct drone footage, no longer blind

https://puolustusvoimat.fi/documents/1948673/55137040/Kenttäkanuuna+155+K+98+00003_optimized.jpg/f513d145-17dc-dacc-3972-a57af806e11a?version=1.0&t=1610365857116

Drones are more relevant though, Ukraine says about 70%+ of casualties

Ive shot direct fire 1km away on moving cardboard target

How is that relevant when FPV drone flies and takes me out

[lavish bronze]

warfare evolves

[upbeat gyro]

That, finnish artillery myself, we need quick drone arm

And lets be real, only one threat, russia

Always has been, for Finland, except 1200s when Sweden came with crusade

[lavish bronze]

i know something about very aggresive neighbours

[upbeat gyro]

Im one of the last uncrusaded, my family has shamanism in familyline, born in norway myself

[lavish bronze]

im from Poland

[upbeat gyro]

Poland is good, kurwa

Jebany polski

[lavish bronze]

ta nie zesraj sie

[upbeat gyro]

Njet ponimai, to me you are the lesser slavs

Russkis are the enemy, the greater slavs

[lavish bronze]

what?

[upbeat gyro]

Klick klack motherfucker

[lavish bronze]

like wtf are you on about right now

[upbeat gyro]

The lands currently occupied by russians were finnish tribes before millenia ago

That mostly

[lavish bronze]

yeah and Poland held moscow for a time

[upbeat gyro]

Yes good history, i like winged hussars

And biggest winged hussar rush at Wien

[lavish bronze]

histories of heroes past

[upbeat gyro]

I am a history nerd

My way of understanding my past and geneology

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamnaya_culture

I am sami reindeer herder with blonde hair and blue eyes

Yamnaya happened

Rolled over europe in similar way as europeans over america

Germs, contact with animals before other humans

Reindeers though, should have had some fuck em all black plague and reindeer folks riding over whole europe

Alas, it was not so

[lavish bronze]

yeah and russian empire from lizbon to kamchatka

like you should read up on finno korean hyper war if you havent

[upbeat gyro]

Finland is actually myth, there is ocean

I am just training for imaginary war over area that doesnt actually exist

But give me any 155mm, 122mm, 76.2mm, 12.7mm, 7.62mm or 5.56mm, ill gently nodge that way

Hand grenades also, both warsaw pact and nato

76mm im not sure actually, its the same Hivescum fires as RPG mostly

Ive shot it once

Old version about to go obsolete

NAMMO nowdays has more powerful higher penetration versions

https://www.nammo.com/product/our-products/shoulder-fired-systems/m72-series/

Its what hivescum fires, fired once IRL

[arctic imp]

I know y’all will argue the chem buffs are silly, but personally I think hive scum didn’t really nail the theme of mad toxin criminal. It definitely does now.

[mighty belfry]

I think the chem buffs are fine if I'll be completely honest.

[upbeat gyro]

I am drunkard, wish i had the hivescum drug toxins

Sadly just mostly sober, alcohl, celebrating getting older

[mighty belfry]

Even Splash Damage actually seems relatively balanced.

[arctic imp]

I just know some people think tox was broken already, I personally love the changes

[mighty belfry]

I almost feel like Splash Damage is a test even.

[upbeat gyro]

For sake of game balance though, i think both chem toxin and wapfire should be nerffed. DoTs way too strong atm

You go for all the effort to stab some scary crusher in face

[mighty belfry]

Yeah the talents themselves are fine. But the toxin could do for an adjustment

[spice cloud]

Dont watch mr e

[upbeat gyro]

Some guy behind you pressed button and they just melt away easy

[mighty belfry]

Esp now that toxin is gonna be a lot more applicable

Pocket toxin blackouts are about to be the top pick tbh

With the bottom right talents

[upbeat gyro]

Current mode its RPG, screw toxin

What does it matter to apply some DoT when they all died in first hit?

[zenith fern]

Is gameslanterns updated with the new talent tree changes?

[low harbor]

not yet

[zenith fern]

Sad

I thought of something funny for arbites with the new cast stance and TW rework

[lavish bronze]

terminus warrant rework?

[zenith fern]

Works like cheap weapon specialist

[lavish bronze]

upgrade nodes?

if you have screenshots of those

[zenith fern]

Writ of judgement gonna be fun for potential shredder crit build

[river skiff]

I hope they changed how the counting works

The problem with that talent is ammo

[zenith fern]

There's the ammo stash talent which gonna help a little bit more

[river skiff]

Arbi doesn't have pickpocket so hitting multiple enemies at once and all of them counting as separate stacks were what was making the node unviable

[zenith fern]

I am thinking of using the new TW and castigator for a double barrel build

As hybrid

Stack crits

[lavish bronze]

i used term warrant with double shield build

[river skiff]

You will clear 2 rooms and then run out of ammo most likely

[zenith fern]

Unlike desperado users, I have trigger discipline

[river skiff]

If they still apply bonuses to every single enemy hit and not the separate attack actions

[lavish bronze]

heh

even with desperado i have trigger discipline

force of habit from ogryn

[river skiff]

Why take that node then?

[zenith fern]

Build stacks

As to work like a vet weapon specialist hybrid build with double barrel and scattershot

[river skiff]

Melee mode is too costly to use imo

[zenith fern]

Is scattershot the one with crit increase on cleave? Me forgot

[river skiff]

If it's just for the power up

Most of the match you will be running unpowered or run out of ammo very quickly

[zenith fern]

One double barrel shot again lesser horde is enough to have stacks for melee justice

And last for 12 seconds instead of losing stacks per hit

[river skiff]

Oh?

[zenith fern]

My man

Add that 12seconds with castigator use that now gives you 20% strength buff too

[river skiff]

12 seconds is better than losing stacks ig

[zenith fern]

Not sure why they gave strength buff to the castigator

As if the ability is already strong to keep you be aggressive

[river skiff]

Alsoo

They buffed scum my beloved

[zenith fern]

Reworked scum for the second time

[river skiff]

I cannot wait for Tuesday ngl

[zenith fern]

This update is sure gonna bring opportunities to more ability uses

Both Ogryn lugger and wrbites castigator

[river skiff]

@zenith fern Did they fix ogryn

[zenith fern]

He always has been fixed, but just gave him plenty of goodies

[river skiff]

Huh?

[zenith fern]

Watch the ogryn chat

[spice cloud]

Where can i find those balancing notes?

I dont see an update anywhere

[zenith fern]

YouTube videos

https://youtu.be/BQT0Sjg0u2g?is=fWmEiY1__e-ZBw8l

This is the better one

Actually shows the talents changes and descriptions

[spice cloud]

[silver mural]

Cant believe we are getting gromril armour

Like the wind as a passive ability is also pretty great

Im also not quite sure why they buffed tox chem builds but ill take it

[verbal dew]

ye it's gonna be interesting to get used to

most of the talents in the tox tree were p mid and out of the way from the pathing to CD

[livid raven]

i think most people barely know of the mechanic and absolutely nothing changes

[verbal dew]

ye they'll just pop desp and run straight in

[silver mural]

The stubs adm change is also interesting, since scum already has great access to rending you could 2 mag crushers in the right conditions. Now they are 0.1 instead of 0.01 which is enormous and idk how much that will speed it up but surely a good deal right?

[livid raven]

eh

[mighty belfry]

Not great, not terrible.

But rending will help.

[livid raven]

you go from what 0.31 rending to 0.40

at best

[mighty belfry]

Yeah. Which is a decent bit for carapace ADMs mostly

[silver mural]

Okay so might be like 1 and a 2 3rds of a mag instead of 2

[mighty belfry]

But, it's not gonna ever be like

Amazing at all

[livid raven]

it's going to make you question why you are still shooting a crusher with it

[mighty belfry]

Basically. They're not completely useless against crushers.

But they're also not good.

[livid raven]

would have upped that to 0.2

[silver mural]

Because depending on melee a desperado builds gun sometimes has faster time to kill ;-;

Oh and crushers are scary and make me hurt bad so i stay far away :(

[livid raven]

i can see the point with vraks or dap but stubs are too slow at that

[silver mural]

You think? I havent timed it but it empties pretty quick (tho not as fast as the dap, prolly comparable to shredder tho sue to less bullets)

Its definitely still the mid tier of desperado guns, with its impact and accuracy being its main draw i think

Its just super hard to beat the dap, those things dump damage faster then basically anything

But damn it being laura croft is COOL AS HECK

And the spin... is so spinny

S tier

(The s stands for spin)

[manic wolf]

Pickpocket nerf

Its only on melee kills and has no internal cooldown

Why Fatshark must you half arse things so often

[verbal dew]

I mean you are picking pockets now at least

it was the nerf I wanted to see if any

[manic wolf]

Its half of the nerf it deserved

It needed like a 20-30s ICD too, but alas

[verbal dew]

nah

[manic wolf]

Crutch node is gonna crutch node i guess

[verbal dew]

to me it's mostly gonna be sad on crate ranged builds which I liked running

like I didn't think it was bonkers broken on things outside of needler

and since needler is mostly a melee sidearm it's not even that big of a deal

[winged dawn]

I really prefer the nerf they did in the end, it's still gonna be mega strong but at least now you kinda have to play around it and it makes sense mechanically to recover ammo in melee

[low harbor]

40s+, maybe even 60s

[upbeat pendant]

so the pickpocket change really only affects desp builds, welp no more dakka

[manic wolf]

Yeah, maybe even that

[low harbor]

Just melee kill a single specialist/elite lol it’s super generous

[manic wolf]

Infinite ammo, regardless of how you get it, is just hilariously strong

[flat mist]

These skill tree changes are so insane

Before you even consider new nodes my rampage scum has just been handed like 2 extra talent points and a choice between two stim buff nodes

[upbeat pendant]

Dont get me wrong, i do think it shouldve been nerfed but i dont like that the change only affects desp build, i rather they just added an internal cooldown. just making desp needing to melee is like a huge damage loss

[lost ravine]

funny how scum already had arguably one of the strongest melee builds

and got buffed

[lost ravine]

"internal cooldown" would have changed nothing

not like you need to refill ammo to 20% every 5s

[upbeat pendant]

it woudlve affected melee in some capacity, this change only affects ranged builds

[lost ravine]

how would it have affected melee

[flat mist]

Internal cooldown should be like 30s+

[upbeat pendant]

and i want a long cooldown

not like a 5s, that doesnt affect anything

[lost ravine]

so you want to suffer more so melee gets less refills, which it didn't need anyway?

[silver mural]

I feel like it depends on the gun, psyker staffs are not all universally op for example

[lost ravine]

all because you do not want to click an elite or special in melee?

[upbeat pendant]

point is, that change did nothing to melee, which is already stronger than ranged

[lost ravine]

yeah but it does force ranged to sometimes melee

and i don't think you were magdumping crushers

[flat mist]

Its really hard to run up to a squishy elite/special while immune from damage, sprinting and firing and then weapon swap and bonk it, ok

[lost ravine]

so, same thing

and desp still has infinite reloads during its uptime

it serves as a change to make shooty scum also require the shooty ult

[upbeat pendant]

im talking about desp vs rampage builds not that i dont want to melee while playing desp

im just saying that the change affects desp builds in a larger capacity than it does to rampage builds

[silver mural]

Yeah the melee users of the needler still have infinite ammo with basically no change

[upbeat pendant]

ill still try it out when the change goes live and see how much of a loss it is

[low harbor]

Ranged has been stronger than melee tho

[upbeat pendant]

ok yeah i was kinda capping there

[low harbor]

Ranged (same tier as psyker) is 1 whole tier above melee

[upbeat pendant]

actually you know what, fair point, ranged is on the same tier

ok yeah scratch what i said, good change

[main minnow]

The big issue I think will be in lower difficulties

[silver mural]

Tho dps wise i think chem builds are still the highest at least according to reginald who i trust.

Tho the needler is a part of why that is so strong

[main minnow]

there's gonna be a lot of frustration when people killsteal a half-built and not melee routing properly scum hacking up the only rager in the entire block

[flat mist]

You just need shivs, hyper-crit and a crit

Its a very simple puzzle to solve

[main minnow]

Yes, if you're actually reading advice, probably

Lower difficulties have less enemies, and they're squishier, which makes it easier, but also makes it easier for someone else to kill them too.

Hence the issue.

On higher difficulties the elite density is so high it'll never be an issue, but on lower ones, another pubstar might just monopolize the kills

[silver mural]

Tho tbf less enemies and more ammo drops also means better ammo economy in lower diffs to compensate

[main minnow]

true

[flat mist]

Thats a good thing. If you're in lower difficulties you need the melee practice.

[silver mural]

Thats also true

[main minnow]

Agreed

[silver mural]

I was playing low diff with my friend while he levelled arbites and i forgot how bad i used to be. But i saw reminders

[main minnow]

Sadly, people are just gonna get toxic over "Killstealing" instead

[silver mural]

Rolling steel shouldnt be a mission on low diff for people learning the game

[upbeat pendant]

is there a blog post with all the skill tree changes written or are there only videos?

[silver mural]

Ryken has a great vid on it

Prolly mispelling that

13 minutes and literally explains every change in detail

[upbeat pendant]

yeah i saw that vid

[silver mural]

Oh

[main minnow]

Don't think so yet unfortunately

[upbeat pendant]

i just got tiktok brain so i wanna read a page instead of watching a video

[silver mural]

Then idk if there is only vids or not

[main holly]

patch notes will probably come on 17th

[digital mango]

dodge distance node made me wet, as a handmaiden main

[zenith pagoda]

This is the new tree

[lavish bronze]

i will make new builds on the fly

no sweating

[digital mango]

that dodge distance is currently makin me sweat alot

[zenith pagoda]

I don't like the fact you're forced to take a stim talent now

[manic wolf]

Oh the changes are actually in now?

Based

[manic wolf]

Shame we cant have both tho

[zenith pagoda]

You can have both

But they aren't that good

[manic wolf]

You can't

It's literally chains one off depending on what you pick, its even shown int picture

[zenith pagoda]

No that's purple

I'm talking about stim talents

The duration one is bad since you can't regen your stim while it's active

And the corruption one is pointless if you're taking stim supply anyway

[manic wolf]

I replied to the pic with the dodge nodes on it, not the stim topic lul

But yeah i've not looked at where the other changes sit yet

Looks like im saving a couple points tho, that kinda fucks

[lost ravine]

new movetech

[manic wolf]

[warm axle]

im glad theyre still having fun shifting stuff around and playing with what works to the newbie. if they reset the talent tree for the base classes another time i think people will actually die!

[warm axle]

duration up is a net benefit what are you on about

the regen is more important than having the effect up?

[zenith pagoda]

In the time of that extra stim you can make 20% cooldown with sample collector

[zenith pagoda]

I'm wondering if corruption cleanse talent bypasses wounds

[lost ravine]

no

[zenith pagoda]

Pretty ass then

[lost ravine]

yes

[vapid jungle]

I am so excited for heavy sword changes

[lost ravine]

is heavy sword getting changes

are they making it slightly less ass

[arctic imp]

It never has in the full game, though I think it did when they were originally testing it before release iirc

[arctic imp]

I really didn’t expect another rework of the hive scum tree WITH additional talents. And they’re all amazing additions

[zenith pagoda]

So now you're forced to have this ass talent if you want stim supply

Great move fatshark

[arctic imp]

honestly that’s probably the only bad part. If they wanted to fix it they’d have to make it so you do regen during stim use.

[lost ravine]

wait what mandatory stimm talent

wha

[arctic imp]

Because as it stands I’d much rather work towards another 15 seconds of stim rather than have an additional 5 seconds where i can’t regen

[lost ravine]

is that "replacing" a toughness node

or am i hallucinating

[arctic imp]

the toughness node is gone

[lost ravine]

+33% stimm duration vs having an extra 5 seconds of not generating cdr

[arctic imp]

I think Mr.e(rest in hell) said it was simply given to hive scum base? But that could be wrong because it’s Mr.E

[lost ravine]

are you generating more than 5s cdr in 5s

[arctic imp]

I mostly run tox so yeah. I have a max stim cooldown i get in about 30-40 seconds in most havoc 40’s i run

I would rather work on another one so i can drop more crates rather than stim myself

Because remember the 5 seconds is only self stim iirc

[lost ravine]

[arctic imp]

i think it is better for non-tox, non-crate builds though. Which makes sense why it’s on the left side

But the toughness node is gone

[zenith pagoda]

Below the aura

[lost ravine]

yes i noticed

[manic wolf]

I mean, if its throwing Sample Collector at you for free, whats the problem?

(Idk if thats where it is, but it doesnt seem unreasonable to tie it to the same row as the other two stim-centric talents)

[astral canyon]

its not lmao

[manic wolf]

So which is it? I would imagine the two on the sides are what they were before

Whats the middle one?

[astral canyon]

what middle one

theres only 2

[manic wolf]

Oh I misread

Never mind, below the aura, i was lookin under the purple ones

[upbeat pendant]

blessed stims it is, just gonna view it as a toughness node with a bonus effect

[river skiff]

Not gone

Included by default

[upbeat pendant]

yeah 100 base toughness now

[river skiff]

Hive scum will be crazy after this update

[astral canyon]

implying they arent already

[river skiff]

Additional dodge to 4 will feel like cheating

[river skiff]

Oh they are

My fave class atm

But yeah

Crazy they wanna buff it even more

[vapid jungle]

Alternate applies brittleness and the light Follow up cleaves carapace and reduces its hit mass

[river skiff]

Oh plus the talent that will stagger everything every 8 seconds lol

[upbeat pendant]

its not gonna be a full knock down right?

[astral canyon]

we dont know

[river skiff]

Still sounds like ass

[astral canyon]

it could just be another vulture push

[river skiff]

Alt does not deal any dmg

[lost ravine]

we don't know but this talent sounds like dog immunity to me

[river skiff]

I think it will?

[vapid jungle]

It doesnt. Also bladed momentum is better now as well.

[river skiff]

Oh wow yeah I have not even thought of it

Nuts

[astral canyon]

second class with dog immunity and its also a dlc class 🗣️

[lost ravine]

and also mutie immunity

and cspawn grab

[river skiff]

[astral canyon]

i doubt itll stagger bosses lol

[river skiff]

Hell yeah

[lost ravine]

coincidence? i think not

[river skiff]

I doubt

The grab itself does not deal dmg does it?

Plus it is a boss

[lost ravine]

it does say "knocks all enemies"

[astral canyon]

but yeah we will have to wait and see the stagger area and strength

[upbeat pendant]

yeah the wording leads to thinking it works on them too

[lost ravine]

deal corruption damage like dog

[river skiff]

I am not sure if that will count

[lost ravine]

dog counts

[river skiff]

Dog keeps chewing

[lost ravine]

so does cspawn

[river skiff]

Into your actual hp

[astral canyon]

its also almost the same wording as vulture's push

and we all know how useful this talent is

[lost ravine]

i have never used it

[upbeat pendant]

does vulture push affect a dog thats on someone?

[astral canyon]

its ass

[river skiff]

I doubt it will push him out of animation since it is unyielding

[bronze glade]

it gives your farts aoe stagger

[astral canyon]

even kuli's guide says its useless

[lost ravine]

we'll just have to find out, wont we

[astral canyon]

yes thats what ive been saying

[river skiff]

I think by default you do not wanna get into a situation where that actually works

[upbeat pendant]

inb4 it has the range and stagger of a vet shout

[astral canyon]

it could be either

or something in between

we literally have no way of knowing lmao

[lost ravine]

maybe worthless
maybe insane

[astral canyon]

maybe aight

[lost ravine]

maybe aight 👌🏻

[river skiff]

Even if it was staggering just trash enemies around you that is still good because some of these small fuckers can get behind you and deal chip damage if your toughness drops for a second

Not something I would take for desperado build but yeah

[upbeat pendant]

i just wanna play with splash damage, it looks fun

[zenith pagoda]

It's hard to get it effective though

Only works on elites

And only applies to 10 enemies within 4m

And only applies 2 max stacks, if they already have stacks then it does nothing

[upbeat pendant]

im probably gonna make a toughness tank build with that and the perk that regens toughness for every enemy with tox nearby and take every perk that gives tox more effects like the dmg reduct and dmg boost

i just wanted a way to apply tox that didnt need me to use the bone saw and the crit one isnt as effective as having 10 enemies immediately get tox when an elite dies

[winged bay]

2 stacks is like 340 damage to poxwalkers with some toxin buffs you'll have anyway. With Virulent Strain maybe it will one-shot poxwalkers

and way more flak/unarmoured elites

2 stacks also kills all unarmoured non-elites

[upbeat pendant]

tox dmg already does so much, i just go in kill an elite, back up, the 10 enemies near it are just dead, its so much free damage for killing one elite

[winged bay]

it procs virulent strain buff for all your allies too

[upbeat pendant]

ill also get targeted toxin and toxin mania, which is 15% lesser damage from enemies, 30% from monstrosities and a 15% base damage buff. just kill one elite and 10 enemies near it, take more damage, do lesser damage, and i get another damage buff

[zenith pagoda]

Shame saw is ass

Would work great with all this

I just hope the nerf to shivs isn't that bad

[astral canyon]

its just a cleave reduction on the mk1 lights

[zenith pagoda]

Does coated weaponry add to sample collector even if you 1 shot?

[astral canyon]

sample collector needs the enemy to die from tox specifically for the 2%

if you kill an enemy that has tox through other means it'll be the 1%

[zenith pagoda]

So the description is wrong?

[astral canyon]

more so misleading

[winged bay]

splash toxin should be very good for sample collector too

[astral canyon]

true

kill an elite with 10 poxwalkers nearby and thats 20% cooldown off your stimm

[winged bay]

if you can hit the breakpoint yeah, but probably can

[astral canyon]

if youre investing into splash damage you probably are already hitting that breakpoint

[zenith pagoda]

Wait was the chem nade radius nerfed? I thought it was just the time

[zenith fern]

lmaoo

"Darktide is an amazing horde shooter but i dont care about the melee combat"

[calm aurora]

To be competitive you had to ignore resources and dump everything

Yeah right

[icy scaffold]

I mean, people do have preferences. I didn’t buy Darktide until there were at least 3 classes where I could shoot all game

[zenith fern]

Me when i steal all the ammo so i can see desperado users try go for melee on armour hordes

https://tenor.com/view/bald-haircut-meme-smack-gif-17673522996508069582

[icy scaffold]

Me stacking cooldown so I can just desperado all game

[arctic imp]

So Mr. E was right, who would have thought

[upbeat pendant]

i was actually thinking like that guy before i realized how much pickpocket was making me bad at the game by relying on it. dont need to learn dodges as much when i can just stay behind the team and press m1 the whole game, i actually feel bad for telling some people to play it simply because it was that good, it doesnt let you learn or get good at the game at all

[zenith fern]

Just applying a single needler projectile to a special and be killed by the dot

easy ammo

No effort needed

[river skiff]

I mean that's fair enough ig

[upbeat pendant]

i only played desp for the past 2/3 weeks with DAP and shredder, every game was pretty much the same, holding down m1 with the occasional dodge while letting the rest of the team frontline

[river skiff]

I was the same in the past lol 😭

I love melee combat now

[bronze glade]

Turns out unlimited gun is bad for you, the team and the game. Who would’ve thunk.

[upbeat pendant]

yeah, i understand my mistake now

[zenith fern]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-deglove-degloving-speed-grolemcorp-gif-2628858460915389297

[upbeat pendant]

oh well, not gonna touch desp anymore, shit actually devolves me

[river skiff]

In a way they made it more reliable than it used to be

[compact oyster]

i might do needle pickpocket now

seems more ethical and perfect for my melee build

crowbar got smoother too

[river skiff]

Before you had to watch ammo so you didn't use everything for endless horde

[bronze glade]

fatshart devs when they find out unlimited ammo is bad (they haven't played their own game in years)

[river skiff]

Now you'll be able to always refill it even if less conveniently

[zenith fern]

there any showcase videos of the new crowbar?

[compact oyster]

Nah

But the flip should be quicker and pointy end heavies should deal more damage

[river skiff]

Ngl corruption node instead could be pretty impactful in expeditions since purple HP will set in after some time

[upbeat pendant]

i dont even use pickpocket in my melee build, i have not found the need to pull it out and use it outside of bosses, when i can just heavy shiv crushers unless they are far. do you guys just shoot it once on like every elite on screen or something? for needler

[river skiff]

I shot only specials

And bosses

[arctic imp]

I also thought so. I still think it could be changed to be more helpful in the rest of the game

[river skiff]

Needless to say I replaced it for shredder lmao

[river skiff]

Could be fine for havoc too

But yeah probably not something you need in auric and below

[compact oyster]

Fatmangus should be peak for expeditions

[river skiff]

I think vet and then scum

[compact oyster]

Ogryn vet and scum for long range skirmishes

[upbeat pendant]

cant wait to fly with the +dodge distance and spread aids to packs with splash damage

[river skiff]

Ogryn could be suffering in these more open areas if they spawn gunners

[compact oyster]

50% DR on dodge for its base kit

shouldnt be an issue

[river skiff]

It's just more reliable since it has stagger

[zenith fern]

Me dodging directly into a crusher overhead as Ogryn to protect the lil un that was targetted and tank the overhead

https://tenor.com/view/invincible-i-am-invincible-thragg-viltrumite-viltrum-empire-gif-4698577271704049137

[river skiff]

Lmao

[compact oyster]

0.25s linger after dodge

[zenith fern]

(50% DR was active but boss still got down)

[compact oyster]

this is going to be an extreme survivability boost

i wonder if you even need dr nodes now

[river skiff]

Delete it please

[compact oyster]

i can just dodge as a gunlugger

[zenith fern]

Might not do much agaisnt havoc crushers but will help a lot agaisnt many sources

[zenith fern]

huh

[compact oyster]

when you got like 4 DR sources active and then you dodge crippling it to like 62% DR

[river skiff]

Too many flashing lights .. I am in the dark

[upbeat pendant]

is the damage debuff from targeted toxin before the dr calculations?

[zenith fern]

steady grip buff was unexpected lmao

easy toughness regain by using ripper

[compact oyster]

oh yeah it works whilst firing too now right?

[zenith fern]

yes

same for mobile emplacement

[zenith fern]

[compact oyster]

lol lmao

[zenith fern]

Pretty sure that is gonna be about near 20% toughness regain lmao

with steady grip and mobile emplacement together

[fallen void]

are the cleave nodes needed with taxe

[mighty belfry]

If you run BM, not really no

[brittle sierra]

No

[bronze crown]

With the new tree are there changes in the Desperado meta? How about Dual Autopistols vs Vraks Mk 4 Autogun vs Shredder Pistol?

[trim wind]

the patch has been out -3 days so time will tell

[bronze crown]

Ok was just curious if anyone got early and was already looking at it. 🥴

[zenith fern]

Only test and preview builds for content creators

And playtesters

[upbeat pendant]

Well desp builds are gonna lose at least like ~30% dps cause you need to melee to proc pickpockets, didn’t really see any new talents for ranged builds. Don’t think those weapons got changed?

[bronze crown]

Thanks. For the fun of it is anyone looking at a new melee build for the tactical axe? I just want to try something different.

[lost ravine]

tac axe is already good on scum

critty weapon + critty class

= big number

[bronze crown]

Looks like Shivs, Crowbar and Dual Stubpistols got buffs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfzxcJDhEL0

[livid raven]

shivs are nerfed if anything

[bronze crown]

Ty

[bronze crown]

Ah yes the best mark got nerfed.

[livid raven]

i didn't and won't watch Mister E, but the mk1 mark should be now worse in hordes and the mk3 got its heavies, which will probably still never be used, buffed, right?

[bronze crown]

Yeah.

[livid raven]

so yeah, i would consider it a nerf overall

unless mk3's heavies are suddendly very good

[worn canopy]

Wait, pickpocket nerfed?

[warm axle]

those heavies and special are worth keepin mk1 around for….
the m1 spam being so good on shivs needed to be toned down, imo. especially now that you are a walkin tox grenade with that new talent!

[worn canopy]

I saw reddit post

[bronze glade]

yeh

[upbeat pendant]

Yeah, only melee kill now

[worn canopy]

And my friend call fatshark a slop

He favor saber studio

[obtuse elm]

on melee is gonna squeeze out total ranged optimised builds, my bolter babe heart wishes we'd gotten "on close ranged elite kill" instead

[bronze glade]

thats the point yeah

[worn canopy]

Fatslop

[obtuse elm]

Eh, I can live with it. The new tox stuff at least looks worth a try

[limber cradle]

Thank you all for the sustenance of seeing people cry about pick

[compact oyster]

the toxin on killing an elite is gawdamn

[upbeat pendant]

Desp with pickpocket was already too good, I could out dps psykers with it, this change should bump it down to be closer to the melee builds

[limber cradle]

I agree it was too good, it's why I find it funny

[reef spoke]

I hope they buff pickpocket ;3

[upbeat pendant]

But the new perks seem fun to play with, I want to spread aids everywhere

And the dodge distance keystone too, flying aids

[reef spoke]

to compensate, they will triple the tox bomber spawns

[livid raven]

you'd have to sacrifice nimble for it tho

[mighty belfry]

Good

[upbeat pendant]

Yeah it’s a shame but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to take to fly even further

[mighty belfry]

Nimble as it stands is already incredibly strong

[limber cradle]

Why can't you run both?

[livid raven]

pretty sure they are mutually exclusive

[mighty belfry]

They're technically keystones now.

[reef spoke]

they're becoming keystones now

[upbeat pendant]

Yeah you can only choose either one of them

[mighty belfry]

Which I do like honestly

[reef spoke]

in the next update that is

[livid raven]

also i mean

[reef spoke]

not currently

[limber cradle]

I see I see

[livid raven]

the dodge distance one is a new talent

[limber cradle]

Have we seen full new tree?

Like in a picture?

[livid raven]

in parts

[reef spoke]

I think just leaks from playtesters for the most part

[livid raven]

from videos mostly

[mighty belfry]

I've seen it in Ryken's video.

[limber cradle]

Alright, ty

I'll hunt that down after I shower and eat

[reef spoke]

it comes out on the 17th iirc

so hopefully some more detailed info soon

[mighty belfry]

Pocket blackouts stocks are gonna be way on the rise with the update cuz of bottom right tree

[limber cradle]

Isn't bottom right tree already the best segment of it

[mighty belfry]

Since I also assume it's gonna be a lot easier to get Pocket toxin too now

[mighty belfry]

It's going to be way better

[upbeat pendant]

Why blackouts? Isn’t splash damage enough?

[limber cradle]

Insane

[compact oyster]

you have regenerating toxins

pocket toxin and blackouts is an extremely good combo

[mighty belfry]

Because the stacks from splash damage are additive not with themselves but with other sources of toxin

Pocket blackouts are gonna synergize incredibly well with splash damage for that reason

[reef spoke]

also blackouts are just good nades in general

[upbeat pendant]

Oooo so if an enemy has stacks from other sources, they can still get the 2 stacks from splash damage? That’s neat

[compact oyster]

nah

[limber cradle]

Blackouts are my favorite scum nade tbh

Entirely cause they regen

[compact oyster]

blackouts dont regen from toxin damage

[limber cradle]

They regen from these hands tho

[mighty belfry]

They synergize in terms of propagating more toxin. The antisynergy with pocket toxin and blackout regen exists regardless.

So it's not really like being able to get more stacks of toxin is gonna really be a dealbreaker

[limber cradle]

Ik there's anti synergy but like

I'm murdering so many things with shivs anyway it doesn't matter

[reef spoke]

if a hivescum is having issues getting 20 kills without grenades, I'm pretty sure they have much bigger issues

[limber cradle]

Yeah, agreed

[upbeat pendant]

Wow I didn’t even know blackout regens, I only ever used rpgs since people in my region call you throwing if you aren’t using rpg

[limber cradle]

Who cares what they think

I run what I like

[reef spoke]

every 20 kills iirc (idk if they need to be close)

[upbeat pendant]

There’s no cooldown?

[reef spoke]

the rpg isn't even hivescums best grenade 😭

[reef spoke]

no, unless you count the 20 kills as a cooldown

[limber cradle]

It's the lowest skill floor to highest result nade which makes it the best for a lot of people

Same vein as Desp

[reef spoke]

indeed

[upbeat pendant]

They just like it cause it’s a free get out of jail card, which they apparently need a lot

[reef spoke]

the problem is chem grenade is a lot better for that

it's just not as "flashy"

[wicked dune]

i dont use it as a jail out of free card lol

[upbeat pendant]

The number of times someone died and then said in the chat “rpg” was quite a lot

Like it’s not my fault you failed to dodge a crusher overhead

[reef spoke]

you have to remember, the average Darktide player loses to poxwalkers

them saying "rpg" is actually proof the rpg isn't good

[mighty belfry]

Okay hold om

Let's back up

[reef spoke]

because the last thing I'd trust is some random on the ground lol

[mighty belfry]

RPGs are good as hell tbf

[upbeat pendant]

I like it as a stagger tool too

[reef spoke]

maybe in the current event

[limber cradle]

RPG is very good and it's very easy to use

[mighty belfry]

The thing is, all of scum's nades are good.

[wicked dune]

rpgs is amazing, i got 2 million in my havoc 40 bc of it and the event

what you on about

[mighty belfry]

Nah, they're good in general

[reef spoke]

well to each their own

[upbeat pendant]

Ehh you can get 2mil with just desp

[limber cradle]

Sheo does have a point

Chem pool nades are also insane

They're just harder to use than RPG

[drifting heron]

Rocket is like frag bomb if it was good

[wicked dune]

chem pool nades will be better after the rework again/buff to hive

[zenith fern]

Mister e as usual coming with funny statements, just saying before the new update, mk3 shivs had no reason to use at all

https://tenor.com/view/braindead-cat-brain-damage-gif-583403308765934478

[limber cradle]

Chem pool nades will hit as much damage as RPG if you use em well

[mighty belfry]

There is no way to ignore having that kind of firepower that can immediately turn a bad situation or take out a priority targets in a really bad position

But again

[reef spoke]

the big kicker for me is that RPGs are a "one and done" deal in a horde spam game

[mighty belfry]

All of scum's nades are good.

[limber cradle]

I like shooting lone poxxies in the head with it for comedic value, personally

[zenith fern]

we all know one is better

blinders

[mighty belfry]

Also

[reef spoke]

thankfully it has cleave so you can use it for collateral kills UwU