hivescum-class

[main trellis]

Thats wild indeed

[upbeat gyro]

I was also proudly wearing my freshly earned black havoc armor set

For first time

Now ive sadly lost motivation though, if only there were H40 cosmetics too

H25 was my main goal upon returning late december besides trying new DLC classes out

But ill play few havoc games here and there atleast for the resources, lots of weapons still not at lvl 20 i wanna try on various classes

[spice cloud]

It was the drip for me too

[upbeat gyro]

Fatshark should realise gamers like carrots

Not just grinding for sake of grinding

Ill do that grinding for sake of grinding if there is that subconscious feeling im still in big picture going for some bigger goal while at it

Its just 101 psychology and why so many games work where you keep repeating same content over and over like roguelikes

Just throw us a Black Havoc armor with few extra pouches and additions as H40 over again and it would already feel worthy climb

Or even different number on the armorset

https://preview.redd.it/first-eyes-on-the-havoc-cosmetics-glorious-53rd-helmet-with-v0-r1by7syu834e1.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=011082eba6edec2ce86719e833c936e7ee9342b7

Red 40 instead of blue 53 or whatever

[silver mural]

Anyone try bolt pistol on scum?

[pulsar aspen]

Yes. someone did @main trellis

[shrewd chasm]

What is rippy fish... the outlaw says it when activating desparato sometimes

Anyone here know what a rippy fish is

[pulsar aspen]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Rippy-fish

Perhaps this is the same

[manic wolf]

AoE BPistol goes you 80 rounds of pocket crowd control an synergises well with Sample Collector and box apparently too

[pulsar aspen]

@shrewd chasm It says in the article that it is a Piranha-like fish

[shrewd chasm]

I seee

[pulsar aspen]

It certainly isn't something you want to swim with.

[silver mural]

So not a typical desperado companion, which is fair it dumps its mag a bit slow to get full benefits (although with the rending it might be able to 5 shot a crusher with the right talent tree but mine is only 43/100 damage atm so i cant properly test that)

[manic wolf]

I've heard the odd person say it does work pretty well with Desp', but mostly its for Rampage/Crate builds

[silver mural]

I think i like it enough to try it even if its inferior to DAP and IAG in that regard

[manic wolf]

It'll probably still be decent for sure

Not sure what breakpoints VM or Desp allow it to have, but there is certainly some potential there

[silver mural]

Yeah with speedloader it still gets like 4 to 5 reloads, its just not as crazy as the DAP

[manic wolf]

Well, DAP/IAG/SAP are kinda far an away the BiS options for a ranged build so it'd be weird if it was touching those for DPS

However if the AoE's damage gets a good enough bump, could still be killing a lot of things whilst being highly disruptive to enemies

[astral canyon]

explodey bistol does have good horde clear time iirc

[silver mural]

And the stagger is very helpful. Though im lost on blessings, the bleed stacks dont seem to help much for my break points but j dont have full damage to truly know that

[manic wolf]

Yeah, thats what i was reckoning

[silver mural]

Im also not entirely sure if point blanks 25 percent boost to the booms is worth it or not in practice

[manic wolf]

Lethal Prox/Point Blank is probably what i'd run with for the first time

See if anything needs changing beyond that

[astral canyon]

prob execution for the extra damage vs staggered

[manic wolf]

Puncture only effects the target hit with the projectile, not the AoE, if it did effect the AoE it'd be BiS with no debate

[silver mural]

I might test run and gun as well to synergize a bit better with desperado despite it not being BiS for that build.

I just love the feel

[astral canyon]

thank fuck it doesnt apply to the AOE

[manic wolf]

Yeah, it would be very busted lmao

Literally end up playing bleed Psyker

[astral canyon]

bistol desperado is already pretty much voidblast psyker tbh

[silver mural]

Yeah it only seems to give me 1 less shot into crushers, since chaff die in one hit most of the time and its not signifigant enough on specials to lower the shots to kill

[manic wolf]

Idk, I run it on my Rampage Scum just to slightly expedite kills on annoying specials, but yeah i wouldnt run it on Despy

[silver mural]

My tests are only in psykanium, and with the direct damage MK so not universally applicable. Plus its only auric and if you mean in havocs the Bleed might matter more

[verbal dew]

I've run it on despy with the stagger blessing and talent

[vapid jungle]

Someone try desperado lethal prox execution with the middle tree stagger node.

[main trellis]

I like that my idea is spreading

[main trellis]

Can work ofc (thats what i did; i saw a meme & made a banger… literally)

[manic wolf]

Happy Ork brain noises

[main trellis]

Nah; execution - explosion does not crit
Execution + LP

[main trellis]

I did; it works for it obv

[main trellis]

Do you use rending stimm?

[main trellis]

I ran bruhpistol with execution + lethal proximity on a crate build with att spd stun immunity path & str rending one
Its very silly in terms of dmg

[main trellis]

https://youtu.be/WKktjTYLTd4

[unique dagger]

good video watch and learn some stuff fellas

you should also do way more qq cancels if you ask me

you can shoot 2x fast

[main trellis]

Can do but i value my own health for that matter
I rather focus on other more important things (like priority targets) than qq canceling - its all about doing a certain amount of actions at the same time
Qq can mess up the flow more imo especially when you get numerous ‚distractions’ happening at the same time

• i just ADS for faster fire cause for some reason bruhpistol shoots faster while ADS’ing and shoots slower while hipfiring…

[unique dagger]

%100 fair, gameplay looked solid too
I do think it’s way better to do while you have the stim effect going because of all the swap speed making it easy to double your DPS, so it might be something to practice. It def kills fingers tho

[silver mural]

I was running a cooldown stim but im gonna try a damage one so thats my next stimm ill run

[main trellis]

I also don’t have a dedicated swap button from range to melee & vice versa; i press 1,2 buttons

I’m quite mental

[unique dagger]

Tell me you also don’t have guaranteed weapon swap and I off myself

That mod is essential man xd

[main trellis]

Ye i do not use that either

[unique dagger]

Omw to jump brb

[silver mural]

I liked the cooldown stimm since i had to think less about it, just pop it immediately after using up my ability.

But i know its not the most valuable one and now i feel comfier with the base mechanics that i can dedicate brain cells to other tasks like remembering i have a damage stimm lol

[main trellis]

I just got used to it

[silver mural]

Is your name matching a youtuber a coincidence?

[main trellis]

Ngl do i do miss it from v2 but… once i practiced alot i feel its ok not to run it; can understand tho

[silver mural]

If i rebind my jump key will that let me dodge forwards?

[main trellis]

Many ppl run cd & its valid but i think att spd with stun immunity + str rending for the entire team is better in terms of impact; str with rending can increase dmg alot & att spd also increases your dmg cause more attacks = more dmg
And the stun immunity is very crucial especially for frontliners so they do not get stunlocked (same goes for ranged units stunlocking you when you’re out of toughness)

[main trellis]

Nah

[main trellis]

I always use att spd & str paths for my stimms; even on despy

[silver mural]

Does attack speed effect guns at all?

[main trellis]

Yes ofc; its universal att spd
It even affects rockets cause the fire animation and the discard animation after is coded entirely as an attack
Test it in psykanium

[silver mural]

Oh so that means more reloads and better value from desperado if you stimm before it

Thats good to know

[main trellis]

Ye for despy i use the reload final node from the att spd tree

[main trellis]

Try DAP with att spd stimm & str rending on a crusher; stimm alone & then with despy active and the stimm & you’ll see you can chew through them on a weapon that does no dmg to carapace

[silver mural]

I believe you, talents alone let you do it in 2 mags, so with the stimm its gotta be crazy

Which is just so silly

[unreal stirrup]

is it just me or bm on caxe is bugged in psykarium

work fine for taxe

might be soloplay issue but idk

[lost ravine]

i do that too

easier that way

[buoyant orbit]

trying out the combat axe. is it me or is brutal momentum really fuckin inconsistent?

sometimes I'll headshot kill and cleave. other times i'll headshot kill and eat shit

[merry plume]

okay, I have a reason why I don't enjoy playing hive scum

the stim makes the music go away

kind of a deal breaker ngl

[buoyant orbit]

just use a fat stim with a long cooldown

[merry plume]

hmm

maybe

still very uncool

[buoyant orbit]

or dont use one at all

[merry plume]

better option ig

but I need my beats

that's like the whole point of the game

[buoyant orbit]

mood

[bronze glade]

Make sure you have scab bruiser one shot breakpoint

[buoyant orbit]

... what?

I get what you mean but I'm not talking about one shots

[bronze glade]

If you don’t have one shots against basic horde enemies Caxe feels really bad

You need one shots

[buoyant orbit]

oh that's what you mean, ok

it does feel really good with rampage up and gets kinda iffy without it

but it still feels like I'll one-head-shot something and my axe just stops dead on the first guy

[bronze glade]

Yeah that makes brumentum do literally nothing for you

Which is why one shots are important

If you have headtaker and melee investment you should be able to get one shots on scab bruisers

Without rampage up

Which will make the weapon feel a lot better

[buoyant orbit]

but I like my crits 🙁

I'll give it a try ig

thx

[mighty belfry]

It's a safety net that's solely dependent on if your teammates can actually pick you up

[limber cradle]

Doesn't even matter in havoc

[mighty belfry]

So it's not even a consistent one. And for a class with awful base stats

[limber cradle]

Enemies are gonna corrupt you through your wounds anyway

[mighty belfry]

Ya...

I mean this might not even be havoc but even for auric I still wouldn't recommend it.

[chilly patio]

okay, real talk; what niche does the Hive Scum class actually fill?

[shadow hamlet]

Bro it's been like 12 hours

[limber cradle]

Metric fuckton of damage

Comparable to psyker

[chilly patio]

true but dont a lot of classes already do that?

[limber cradle]

Not like scum and psyker

[chilly patio]

i mean, in their own respective ways at least

and with the right talent trees

[limber cradle]

They do damage, they might even do a fuckton, but not like scum and psyker do it

[chilly patio]

Veteran is the ranged expert, Zealot is melee specialist, Psyker is an unusual in-between class, Ogyrn makes you a wandering tank effectively, and Arbitrator makes for a fun "hold my beer" solo clutch class

i see, i see

[drifting heron]

Not really

[limber cradle]

Vet is less of a ranged class than Scum tbh

[drifting heron]

Vet is a hybrid anti special

[limber cradle]

Yeah

[drifting heron]

Psyker is just "fuck everything on the map I pressed F"

And arby is just a cc frontliner no matter what you do

[limber cradle]

Zealot is the best solo clutcher tbh

[drifting heron]

Yeah

Fatmangus existing proves that

[chilly patio]

don't mean to talk down to Hive Scum class, could just be the way I play but I just don't really see what makes Hive Scum stand out and what niche they're designed to fulfill

[drifting heron]

They hurt things

Very well and very quickly

[chilly patio]

but i guess like in the way of Arbites, its just a new fun way to play

I guess high-octane gameplay is the way to describe it?

maybe i ought to experiment more, the gimmick of the uzis wore off for me pretty quickly after a few games with them

[limber cradle]

They're not really bad at much and they're pretty goddamn fast

Specialized depending on build

[limber cradle]

I prefer rampage

[drifting heron]

Cause desperado is boring as hell

[chilly patio]

i'm too much of a loyalist to the uzis cus ngl it was fun playing with them

[limber cradle]

They're fun sometimes

They're boring if you use them all the time

[drifting heron]

Desperado is fun for like

[limber cradle]

Rampage is more multi purpose too

[drifting heron]

A match or two where you want to not think and just win

[chilly patio]

plus playing with Hotline Miami beats blasting in the background was super fun

[limber cradle]

Purpose built for me after a 12 hour shift

[drifting heron]

I just don't really play dt anymore so idk

[limber cradle]

I do pretty frequently

[drifting heron]

I'll be 2 months clean soon

[limber cradle]

I like to play at least an Auric Mael a day

I don't always have the mental capacity for havoc rn

[drifting heron]

I bought this 2 weeks ago

[limber cradle]

I play Re9 a lot rn

[delicate basalt]

so.....this is an obligatory node to progress down the talent tree

is it hinting on how scum is supposed to played?

[limber cradle]

Ig?

It's free TDR

That's never bad

[delicate basalt]

well...

i mean

ranged ramage is for ranged (duh)

maybe the TDR is for melee situations?

cuz with desperado you dodge ranged

[limber cradle]

TDR is better when you get shot at tbh

[delicate basalt]

thats what i was thinking tho

shit take but they should make it 5%/5% ranged and melee

[limber cradle]

Nah, I like my free TDR

[delicate basalt]

with the bonus TDR

forgot to mention it

[limber cradle]

Idk

[delicate basalt]

idk im not a game dev

[limber cradle]

I don't think melee needs the help tbh

[delicate basalt]

i dont understand balance

on hive scum?

def not lmao

[limber cradle]

Idk if it's even noticeable on the most common ranged options

DAPs get like 5 more damage iirc

[delicate basalt]

fair point

[limber cradle]

Needler doesn't care about the funny ranged damage bit

[delicate basalt]

and stubs?

[limber cradle]

.45s struggle with a lot of breakpoints as is

I love them but I wish the crit bonuses weren't gimped

Iirc they're half as much as most other weapons

[delicate basalt]

faaaa

i love the stubs

also

is this side of the stimm lab any good?

[limber cradle]

No

Better than it used to be tho

[delicate basalt]

i know it was very shitty on release

[limber cradle]

Fwiw I use them in havoc

[delicate basalt]

it does look better yeh

[marble seal]

You get free toughness for being shot so the ranged damage reduction helps make the gain bigger

[limber cradle]

That's not ranged damage reduction I believe

That's more ranged damage and TDR

Not reduced ranged damage and TDR

FS can't word things for shit

[delicate basalt]

matter of testing i guess

[marble seal]

It’s good if you can play aggro enough to make it worth

[delicate basalt]

i think...unless its such low damage it doesnt show

its both ranged and melee TDR?

i tried with the basic ass auto pistols

[limber cradle]

What are you shooting with

The DAPs?

[delicate basalt]

they deal 8 a shot

for the sake of testing

[limber cradle]

Use something with like

Way more damage

[delicate basalt]

lemme grab a revolver

[limber cradle]

You need 10 percent of a real number to make it noticable

[delicate basalt]

yeh fair

aight so

same weapon

[limber cradle]

Shoot something with it

[delicate basalt]

mauler test

with skill

without

it is bonus damage

[mighty belfry]

King of sustained dps

[delicate basalt]

@chilly patio cute pfp btw (sorry for double ping

[gilded torrent]

attempting DESPERATELY to impress professional shyt but then the CRACKKKA ASS crusher sneaks up behind me and lowcreedkenuinely dispatches me

https://tenor.com/view/stone-cold-femcel-stonecold-stone-cold-gif-3938016457044894729

in other news i have defected from the show to join the tread lightlies to show that i am a real proletariat class fighter

[manic wolf]

Sales of size 80 silk slippers have skyrocketed recently on Tertium

[limber cradle]

Audio issues feel even worse lately which is impressive

[manic wolf]

Game gud, no bugs

[gilded torrent]

this is a feature btw

[limber cradle]

Welcome to the feature, featuring the creature.

[bronze glade]

it's baked into the difficulty level you pick-- the higher the difficulty, the higher chance you'll have three silent bursters jump your ass

[manic wolf]

At this point FS should just make a permanently active modifier out of it and leave it in the havoc pool

[gilded torrent]

the existance of bugged audio crushers implies that there truly is no god

[manic wolf]

The only god is Nurgle, apparently

[stiff sleet]

Crowbar Recommendations?

[bronze glade]

press X to discard

[stiff sleet]

Anyone with actually useful recommendations?

[mighty belfry]

Veteran is the everyman tbh

They're just good at everything

[bronze glade]

that was the most useful recommendation you're going to get

[delicate basalt]

as in talents?

[bronze glade]

nobody will in good conscience provide advice on crowbar

besides selling the piece of shit

[delicate basalt]

or blessings

[bronze glade]

imagine a shovel

[delicate basalt]

whatever they are called

[bronze glade]

except without any of the op blessings

that's crowbar

[stiff sleet]

Man. It’s called having fun with unoptimal shit.

Try it some time.

[delicate basalt]

i like opportunist

and all or nothing

but thats me

can opener seems fun too

speaking of which

good curios for the scum?

[bronze glade]

you're talking to a guy who exclusively runs meme builds

[delicate basalt]

i normally run max wounds for the memes

[bronze glade]

i just don't like weapons that were designed with fatshark's head up their ass

[delicate basalt]

but i wanna try getting better so im doing the "good" type of stuff

[bronze glade]

9 stam memes

https://tenor.com/view/draco-malfoy-harry-potter-mewing-mew-slytherin-gif-8263298459687914233

[chilly patio]

thanks :3

[delicate basalt]

ye are welcome

[chilly patio]

made it myself

[bronze glade]

for more serious builds prob 1 hp/1 tough/1 stam

or 2 hp 1 tough

[delicate basalt]

i see

[bronze glade]

hiv's curio situation is more fluid because of swift endurance

[delicate basalt]

1 hp will do for now

since im leveling up another scum

getting through uprising

was easy....like it always is

let's see how malice treats me

[mighty belfry]

Become fatscum

Health max

All will know the true power of a 200+ health pool in havoc 40

[mighty belfry]

It's very cute

[stiff sleet]

Is this sarcasm or has the meta evolved again?

[bronze glade]

i'm not sold on aiming for 200 hp outside of havoc still

[heavy compass]

Has fat shark spoken about the release date for new hive scum costumes

[near mauve]

nope

[heavy compass]

I think a tuxedo would be neat

[mighty belfry]

Nah I'm actually completely serious.

[stiff sleet]

Damn. What changed?

[mighty belfry]

Nothing changed.

This class has particularly good toughness retention under pressure.

[stiff sleet]

Oh it’s a scum specific thing? I thought you meant HP was good on all the classes now.

[mighty belfry]

I mean

There's also fatmangus.

Which is a zealot build that also uses max health.

[mighty belfry]

I mean you wouldn't need to aim for it in auric since your stats aren't neutered to all hell.

[bronze glade]

yeah makes sense

[mighty belfry]

And it's not a meta persay. I just think max health is comfy in its own right for scum since a lot of what endangers them specifically doesn't care about your toughness

Barrels, bursters, corruption damage, snipers

[mighty belfry]

Don't get me wrong.

You do need to be extra slippery against ranged units

But

Erm

This is Hive Scum we're talking about.

I don't think that's asking for much.

Some will disagree. That's okay.

||Even if they're wrong because I'm always right. ||

Jokes aside. You can be really flexible with curios on this class. Pick and choose. See what works for you.

Personally my dumbass has been running a 1 hp 2 Stam because I like to live dangerously and turn into a blender for my enemies

[delicate basalt]

i am so sadge

the damage reduction stimm sucks

maybe an idea for it

probably a bad one

make this for every node

not the full 5%

damage reduction + instant thoughtness + 1 % for every point instead of the current effect on image

itll still be shit

but even less shit maybe

@mighty belfry you seem to understand a bit

what do you say?

[mighty belfry]

I like it on crate builds

It used to be a lot worse

[delicate basalt]

oh you like the thoughness stim?

[mighty belfry]

But they changed toughness regeneration to toughness replenishment

[delicate basalt]

wait what

[mighty belfry]

If you wanna play a more support heavy scum, I think it's a genuinely decent option now.

[delicate basalt]

back up

[mighty belfry]

Yeah with the same patch that buffed rampage, they changed the toughness stimm

[delicate basalt]

you used to regen thogutness without regain?

why didnt they keep that in...

[mighty belfry]

Because regen is the shitty toughness retention

Replenishment is the actually good one.

[delicate basalt]

i see

but is that stimm tree any good for non crate builds?

[mighty belfry]

Eh.

I mean

I'll say.

It's fun to DR max with rampage.

But I do personally think strength or speed branches are better for both rampage and desperado, if not running CDR

[delicate basalt]

also

whats rending really?

[mighty belfry]

Rending is a modifier to your attacks' ADMs to make them more effective against certain armor types.

[delicate basalt]

gotcha

[mighty belfry]

If you're talking rending stimm, there's a few weapons I'd recommend using that for

Like heavy sword or dclaw

But it's not necessary if the weapon already has good penetration and/or uncanny strike.

[delicate basalt]

so shivs not good for example

gotcha

[mighty belfry]

Yep.

[delicate basalt]

i mean

i think i finally got the basics for scum down

not going down every 30 secs now at least

and can hold decently in...heresy

[mighty belfry]

Scum is a class of really low lows.

And astronomically high highs.

My favorite class to run in Havoc rn personally.

[delicate basalt]

if i wanna do a gun build

what do yee recomend?

weapon wise sorry

[mighty belfry]

Hmm

Admittedly, if we're talking desperado

[delicate basalt]

yes

[mighty belfry]

The only things I think don't work for desperado are weapons that reload by each round

[bronze glade]

laughs in double barrel

[mighty belfry]

Like combat shotties or zarona

DB being an extreme outlier for reasons

[delicate basalt]

so even stubs are good?

[mighty belfry]

Stubs are just

[delicate basalt]

eh?

[mighty belfry]

Eh

[delicate basalt]

yup

[bronze glade]

stubs are good with desperado

[mighty belfry]

They're just not great for anything. They can work but they're okay at best.

[bronze glade]

but that's because desperado is doing 99% of the lifting there

[delicate basalt]

for me its really a copetition between

viability of the auto pistols

or the great feel of the stubs

[mighty belfry]

Yeah if you want viable

Best options are auto pistols or vraks inf autogun

If you want viable and also fun

Double barrel, explodey bistol and (yes) agri revolver are good picks

Fanned revolver is goofy but actually works really well for this class particularly.

[low harbor]

It’s quite strong if u play stim box

[unreal stirrup]

there like genuinely zero reason to use stub over needler

but well its needler

[drifting heron]

Nuh uh

They're fun

Wait revolver not dual wield

Uhhhh

Agri is probably funny or smth

[unreal stirrup]

I mean stub pistol

[mighty belfry]

more immediate specialist killing

That's the one main drawback of needler

And honestly

It's actually one worth considering.

It's why I've slowly grown out of using needler on melee builds

And only use it if the melee I've chosen is just particularly not great against stuff like crushers

[mighty belfry]

Oh also shredder autopistol. I find that more fun than dual autos to be honest

[lavish bronze]

Good for you

O use shredder on vet

On hive scum its uniques all the way

[mighty belfry]

alright

pocket toxin chem nades

these are actually really good wtf

[upbeat gyro]

Its just the talent tax to use em, if its worth over RPG

Which are free talentwise

[river skiff]

Plasma is way more impactful on vet but I like shredder for specials when I am playing scum

[lavish bronze]

I dont use plasma

Its boring

Bolter better

[river skiff]

I like it for zealot but I enjoy plasma more for vet as I don't need to invest a node into swapping speed

[lavish bronze]

Ok

[maiden pine]

are chem nades good for the event?

[zenith fern]

Not much for crushers

But the other ogryns does good chem damage

[dark moon]

Pretty decent but the rpg is better

[maiden pine]

rpg?

[astral canyon]

Boom

[verbal dew]

bringer

[dark moon]

[maiden pine]

ya that's always great

[honest needle]

Who tf here is named “stimmy neutron”

[maiden pine]

i wanna change my name to that

[delicate basalt]

funny name

also

finally getting the hang of scum

managed to not die a single time in a heresy mission

big accomplishment

[toxic crater]

I didn't like hivescum leveling it up. Once I got it to 30 and really got a build going it's one of my favorite classes.

[unique spire]

That's like

Common for every class

[dire badge]

Easiest way to improve is to throw yourself into the deep end, go do a havoc 30 mission.

[delicate basalt]

...no

[delicate basalt]

i am suffering through leveling up....tho im getting better

[toxic crater]

It takes practice. I have been playing since the game came to Xbox. Hivescum is not a new player friendly class and I started out as a psycker. If I wasn't good at blocking and dodging I would hate this class.

[tranquil fjord]

this class is much more forgiving with running out of dodges, and it gives a lot more mobility than the other classes

[vapid jungle]

Much better than it used to be. Before a lot of the strongest DR/Replenishment nodes were towards the bottom.

[delicate basalt]

this is true

[delicate basalt]

this is also true

[tranquil fjord]

scum allows one to be much more aggressive without the worry of "running out of steam" like other classes

simply because of the dodge talents and stam

[toxic crater]

I played it the day it came out and yes it's better now. Rampage no longer having that debuff when it ends is a god send. Rampage ends time for drugs lol

[astral canyon]

Im still sad they removed it

[tranquil fjord]

it was one of the only measures of "running out of steam"

although not having rampage up makes you lose enough of your capabilities

[gilded torrent]

my generous penance isnt tracking for some reason

i dont have the gunslinger enhanced ability equipped so i dont know what it could be

[astral canyon]

Which one is that again

[gilded torrent]

"Share 3500 amounts of ammo using Gunslinger. Ammo shared by allies in coherency also counts."

I have progress on it (1327) but it's stopped counting

[astral canyon]

Gunslinger is the aura

And it should work with both the base version and the enhanced

[lavish bronze]

Shoot till empty and eat a whole crate nesr your team while they are at half or lower

Thats how i progressed it on few maps

Idk if thats ammo units or %

[astral canyon]

i think its units

so run something with a ton of ammo like daps or vraks

[lavish bronze]

Its shared

Mk12 recon lasgun

Or any lasgun for that matter

[astral canyon]

hive scum doesnt get lasguns

[lavish bronze]

Mate

Read the fucking penance again

[astral canyon]

the amount of ammo you give to allies with gunslinger is based on the actual number you restore iirc

[lavish bronze]

Really?

[astral canyon]

unless i misunderstood kuuli's description of the talent

[lavish bronze]

I always took it as the ammo they get

Usual fatshark

[astral canyon]

yeah you dont restore 1.5%/5% of their ammo pool per pickup

again unless i severely misunderstood kuuli's description

yeah its based on the ammo pool of the person who got the ammo pickup

[silver mural]

If i use my stimm then drop the supply crate will the supply crate only have its base effects like at launch?

[fast surge]

• If Hive Scum has the Cartel Special Stimm equipped, Stimm Supply consumes the stimm charge, the Cartel Special stimm goes on cooldown, and the stimm field spreads the respective stimm buff effects to Hive Scum and allies who are in range; note that the stimm buff effects will not be spread if the Cartel Special Stimm is already on cooldown when Stimm Supply is activated; also note that the toughness replenishment effects of Barrage and Regain are applied only once per activation

(if you have fast acting equipped) There is currently a bug: While the Cartel Special Stimm is active or on cooldown, the stimm field can still apply the stimm buff effects to Hive Scum after leaving and reentering the stimm field (which also allows to stack the respective buff effects).

[tardy prism]

How's the hive-scum class for newbies like me?

I have around ~400 hrs in missions

[astral canyon]

if you got good fundamentals you'll be good

[brittle sierra]

All classes are garbage for new players because Fatshark is allergic to teaching you how to play the game

[tardy prism]

Is that a skill issue on my end?

[brittle sierra]

Not really because it's Fatshark's fault for spreading misinformation

But then again, Gameslantern exists

[tardy prism]

Lol

[brittle sierra]

Like master like student

[fast surge]

It's a skill issue on fatshark's end

Create an accurate tooltip, difficulty level: impossible

[tranquil fjord]

i wish there were a high havocs option for the psychanium

[lavish bronze]

400 is not a newbie son

I have 800 and can play whole of content the game provides. Yet i choose not to

[limber cradle]

Can you dodge?

If so you'll be fine

[upbeat gyro]

Its fun and aslong as you are quick to spam dodges, suprisingly survivable too, just cant facetank hits like arbi/ogryn

[silver mural]

As someone who is pretty poor at the game I find them to be the second easiest for me to play, but i am drawn to dodge dancing kind of weapons so that prolly has more to do with its kit synergizing with my approach.

If you find the playstyle fun but feel too squishy zealot can copy the feel pretty closely while having more robust safety nets and the ability to straight up ignore death every once in a while so could work as a jumping off point to get that dodge dancing playstyle down.

[tardy prism]

I see, thanks for your input

[woeful jackal]

I need help

Making a meme build

[gilded torrent]

i LOVE hogging grenades but i would NEVER EVER use them

[unique spire]

Then how are you able to pick up grenades if you are full

[gilded torrent]

wasting my boom bringer/chems on random shit

[unique spire]

So you lied

[gilded torrent]

not really

they arent USEful if im firing them at random builings n out of bound areas just cus i can

[unique spire]

But you just said that you never use them

[gilded torrent]

just enjoy the joke gng 😭 🙏🏽

[silver mural]

I fire my boom bringer into lone poxwalkers to send a message

I had someone intentionally trigger a daemonhost, maybe for a penance or maybe they count towards the event idk. But anyways the boom bringer almost one shot it and that was quite swell

It feels a tad overtuned, 12 crushers? What crushers

[gilded torrent]

"it FEELS a tad overtuned"
TRANSLATING

"my steak is too juicy and my lobster is too buttery!"

[main trellis]

Whats the idea?

[gilded torrent]

"waaahwaaah feed me grenadeslop!!"

[woeful jackal]

Max Payne

Always talked about it but like

How Max Payne can I make this build

[gilded torrent]

unironically maybe boombringer does need a bit of a nerf

[woeful jackal]

No

[gilded torrent]

if its able to one shot like five hundred crushers and daemonhosts in one

[woeful jackal]

That thing

Is fun

You are not

Taking my fun

[woeful jackal]

Also curios with bullet resistances perhaps as well?

How much Max can we Payne this

I know the stimm is just the toughness branch

Because pain killers

[silver mural]

:(

[gilded torrent]

dont sadface me you know it does

[silver mural]

"Waaah waaah"

[gilded torrent]

tho i guess its kinda par for the course considering its a DLC class

[gilded torrent]

I HATE FUN

[silver mural]

Enjoying your steak and lobsted

[gilded torrent]

well i didnt say boombringer WASNT fun............................................

[woeful jackal]

So you hate gun

[gilded torrent]

i didnt say i WASNT enjoying my juicy steak and my buttery lobster

[woeful jackal]

Fun gun

In a game

Games are for

What now?

Fun

I swear to god if another try hard community ruins a game for balancing

[gilded torrent]

i dont think its that deep, dude

[woeful jackal]

It is

Because it happens

So fucken much

[silver mural]

Depends on what you mean by that games are for alot of thins

[woeful jackal]

Remember back in like 2020 to 2022 when devs were using pros to balance games?

And how that went?

Or how annoyed the dev of ultrakill is with the community

[silver mural]

Tbf when you balance the game based on average players you get psyker

[woeful jackal]

Gamers are tools at times man

[woeful jackal]

And you get valorant with pros

[silver mural]

I dont know what that is

[woeful jackal]

CS hero shooter

[gilded torrent]

i dont think fatshark should buff enemies in order to counteract OP guns and abilities imo

[woeful jackal]

Just make the weak weapons better

Duh

Make the bad food good

Instead of ruining good food

[silver mural]

I agree some of their approaches to balance is flawed, and some of that is due to balancing based on statistics

[woeful jackal]

Had devs make a suggestion board with a voting system

On their discord

[gilded torrent]

TO BE FAIR

darktide isnt a pvp game so nerfs on overpowered weapons arent really that pressing

unless they seriously break games

[woeful jackal]

@gilded torrent

[gilded torrent]

which u could probably make an argument that boombringer does this

[gilded torrent]

i agree w/ u

dont worry...

[woeful jackal]

Also

I need a in game cig taunt

I will pay money for it

People will start chain smoking near the mission terminal

[merry plume]

or if they make the game less fun for others methinks

[gilded torrent]

yeah

[woeful jackal]

I wish the revolver had more bullets

[gilded torrent]

i dont HATE boombringer, but it does kinda take the joy out of the fight with the bigger guys when you just kinda.... G+hold M2+M1 and then BAM the giant specialist-elite horde is gone!

i will admit tho that it slaps and is really fun when ur using it

[silver mural]

Idk if voting is good either, as you have to filter alot.

Really what they need is a balance team with members capable of understanding the intricacies on how stuff interacts at the highest level of skill (but not difficulty, as balancing for havoc seems silly but idk)

[woeful jackal]

For me I get joy from that

Deleting crushers

Only time I use it tbh

[gilded torrent]

i think this would work if it was limited to only small balancing ideas/random feedback instead of entire ideas/content/concepts

[silver mural]

I dislike when things feel like they are far and away the best option as it takes away from the nuance of choosing to some degree

[gilded torrent]

true

[woeful jackal]

we need to add a variable then

[silver mural]

But also fatshark needs to understand certian things are op not because they are actually too strong but because they approach difficulty in a specific way

[manic wolf]

Spot the Helldiver

[gilded torrent]

LOL

[woeful jackal]

HA never played biiiiitch

[manic wolf]

Talkin like one tho

[gilded torrent]

ive heard that the community with HD2 is at constant total war with the devs

when it comes to balancing

[manic wolf]

"Don't nerf my toys, balance is bad and my feels get hurt!"

[woeful jackal]

I come from a place of a indie dev fucking my fav game

[gilded torrent]

im in the community discord server and the shit in the general chats gets really intense

[woeful jackal]

Fun

[manic wolf]

They seem to share the singular braincell that says; "Its a PvE game, why does it need to be balanced"

[woeful jackal]

Games are meant to have fun

I am not paying to feel like shit

That's work

a job

[manic wolf]

Yes. Correct, and if something trivialises all the content then it ceases to be fun.

[woeful jackal]

Yeah but if too hard

No fun at all

Welcome to balancing hell

[near mauve]

a blitz that's stronger than an ogryn nuke and has 4 charges is only fun for you and not for your teamates

its a team game

[silver mural]

That is definitely game and genre dependant

[near mauve]

u can still have fun without having a screen wipe blitz with 4 charges

[silver mural]

Some people enjoy aneurysms

[manic wolf]

Goes for Psyker fire and Despy Scum too, a lot of the time, your team doesnt really get to play

[near mauve]

there's fun in actually fighting things

and not just deleting things

[silver mural]

Ive seen knife only resident evil runs

[near mauve]

[woeful jackal]

I do think that perks they rely on specialists to be killed is hard to work around

There are some perks in the game that make mobs and special type of enemies give different amount of tokens

elite and specialist 3

mobs 1

I am trying to remember what that was

[manic wolf]

Tokens? Wut

[silver mural]

Yeah because they completely change in value with difficulty. Auric and higher those abilities (especially when they include elites) feel like they are up 100 percent of the time

[near mauve]

it's to incentivize specialist hunter roles

for example a good vet is always the first one to take them out

[woeful jackal]

tokens are the number on your perk

[near mauve]

cause he needs his CDR

[woeful jackal]

a token system can do the same thing and make it so the hunter doesn't fucken die

[manic wolf]

Bruh

[woeful jackal]

or whole team

[manic wolf]

This conversation is stupid and I will not continue to have a part in it

[woeful jackal]

I am using math

[brittle sierra]

Token DEEZ

[woeful jackal]

You just can comprehend what using a larger number cap with each number only giving a small percentage

This would make it possible to make specialist worth more tokens

and mobs only a few

or 1

[near mauve]

im confusion

america explain

[merry plume]

low key more annoyed by me nearly killing some elites or knowing they'll die from toxin or other dot in a second or 2, only for someone to throw three kraks or launch a rocket at them

[woeful jackal]

Let me make a graph on MS paint to explain

[merry plume]

vs too strong guns for the most part

[woeful jackal]

or like think of it like this

wait

shit my thought is gone

https://tenor.com/view/im-tired-developer-cat-gif-gif-13959451801887217185

[silver mural]

Like kill 10 poxwalkers to get 1 of smth but kill 2 crushers to get 1 of smth?

[woeful jackal]

yes like that but more like
Poxwalker = 1
crusher(elite) = 5

of a cap of like

25 or 50

with each point giving a small percentage

Of course I can't give a number since

[silver mural]

Percentage of like damage or toughness reduction or smth

[woeful jackal]

idk the damn coder

[woeful jackal]

yes

[silver mural]

So instead of all or nothing abilities its more a gradient of value

[woeful jackal]

This system would make people want to kill high targets

Mob wave

kill that

specailists

kill that

like real soldiers

[silver mural]

Instead of kill a special for 10 percent off slushies you can get 10 percent of slushies with enough pox walker kills too

[woeful jackal]

yes

exactly

This would kill the need to do everything meta

well the strictness of it

[silver mural]

Then it just becomes more about killing in general and in theory if the numbers are right everyone can get their bonuses as long as they kill their share and people dont have to fight over specific kills like an arbites and vet who both like to murder specials and elites

[woeful jackal]

Yes

This would solve darktide's issues

This idea would need tweaking

but this is the best option

This is why knowing math is important kids

[lavish bronze]

First of all nerfs need to happen. But with how unpopular that opinion is oh well.

[woeful jackal]

Because we know how hard a nerf is

Got a bad toe?

whole foot cut off and let infection kill you

[lavish bronze]

No really player power need to get decreased same with armour spam

[woeful jackal]

that is fair

[dire badge]

I mean don't you think the damage of hive scum is balanced considering a fly swatter can make servitors out of us

[astral canyon]

someone post the clip of hive scum tanking a crusher overhead

[dire badge]

I play havocs and a crusher overhead insta kills me even on full two wounds. I go straight into spectator mode

[mighty belfry]

Another win for healthmaxxers I guess

[dire badge]

Also if I get thrown by a boss or mutant sometimes while I'm mid air because I can't dodge they just take me out back and shoot me. I can't do anything against it except avoid getting knocked into the air in the first place

[verbal dew]

I haven't done any scum havoc in a minute, it's so much easier to get games as vet so that's what I've mostly been doing lol

[woeful jackal]

need help

max payne build

must perfect it

[astral canyon]

"perfect" is a stretch

[woeful jackal]

Sssssshhhh

Will you help me or not?

[mighty belfry]

Tis why I like having my own 40

People still somehow doubt how strong this class is even now

Idgi

[limber cradle]

Tbh I rarely get denied as scum

It might be the no border/reject

[manic wolf]

Same reason folks are dubious of Ogryns and Vets, its mostly not about the class, its about the player

[mighty belfry]

Ye I run reject

Helps that I'm frequent enough of a havoc player that people know me when they see me nowadays lol

That being said

I'm gonna take a break til whatever the hells going on with this game somehow fixes itself

It's way too inconsistent for me rn to play havoc

[silver mural]

I did this today

But tbf i was running a silly build that had access to every possible source of damage reduction

[low harbor]

No because hive scum is pretty durable

[verbal dew]

lovely start, we barely left the starting area

[astral canyon]

pog

[verbal dew]

died p hard

maybe the AI director was feeling mad at the EK psyker

[manic wolf]

[verbal dew]

not surge surge either

lets see what inferno can do

[bronze glade]

Hood psyker moment

[verbal dew]

only one boss, but we got twins after instead

we're just keep having the worst starts lol

and fire everywhere

[unreal stirrup]

auric brain rot

[unreal stirrup]

I mean ogryn is kinda eh nowaday

[manic wolf]

Because Scum absolutely dont dumpster the fuck out of Aurics

[muted pivot]

but bad hive scum die

very quickly

it's a feast or famine class, and a lot of people seem to think it's just famine idk

[low harbor]

As if that doesn’t apply to every other class

[woeful jackal]

I see Hive Scum like my magic shrrom trips

You either get a good trip

or a bad trip

[brittle sierra]

No

I have a nuclear take

What if

[vapid jungle]

He has the vision

[delicate basalt]

i now now why its useless

the thoughtness tree

like

come on

[mighty belfry]

The thotness tree 🤪

[vapid jungle]

Its pretty boring but 15% tdr is 15% tdr 🤷‍♂️

[mighty belfry]

But toughness tree is good for stimm crate

But that's mainly it

[woeful jackal]

Max Payne build

[main holly]

meaning?

[woeful jackal]

Pain killers

[verbal dew]

oh I technically have one

[main holly]

so classic stim build

[verbal dew]

stim crate with dual stubs

[woeful jackal]

Wait

[main holly]

doesn'T max paine use a single gun?

[woeful jackal]

Two

And not a stimm pack

[verbal dew]

yeah but I'm not gonna run desp

[woeful jackal]

I like desp

Because well

I like gun

https://tenor.com/view/i-love-you-kitchen-gun-kitchen-gun-bbc-kitchen-gun-gif-2074713026121495613

[main holly]

i am one to talk my john wick build uses dual stubs xD

[woeful jackal]

Kitchen gun would be OP in darktide

[main holly]

i am currently watchign the funnie plasma vet he onyl uses krak grenades, does barely fire the plasma rifle, blocks crushers with the power sword and runs away until he gets the next crack

also use medpack onyl for themselves xD

[woeful jackal]

Revolver hive scum is very fun

[main holly]

yes it is ^^

[woeful jackal]

Because I actually have bullets for once

[main holly]

but i prefer it on the melee scum

[woeful jackal]

Instead of vet being like:

https://tenor.com/view/therussianbadger-meme-five-bullets-left-gif-21645715

[main holly]

blinks how?

[woeful jackal]

Let's just say

The other three were in the white on ammo

The zealot kept stealing it

The melee class

FUCK

[verbal dew]

I've been playing so much of this exact same build because I've mostly been doing havoc and vets are so easy to get games with

I am actively shooting up all of my ammo tho

[woeful jackal]

Why are people so greedy with ammo

My god

[nova valley]

Anyone playing braced autogun with HS? I love that weapon, just wondering if someone uses it (as I only see infantry) and if so, which blessings do you use?

[verbal dew]

I have tried it

think just deathspitter and fire frenzy

it's the best the weapon has performed prob, but it's still not even close to a good weapon on scum

[nova valley]

Why so? On scum especially it seems amazing

[verbal dew]

scum has so much better desp weapons

DAP, vraks autogun, shredder, bistol, db

[main holly]

if they woudl do that xD

btu no xD just walkign lettign us fight and waiting till krak

[verbal dew]

it's just not a good weapon to begin with and I was hoping scum would bring something that would favor the bodyshot/center of mass style of gameplay

but weakspots are always king so there's just no real point to even trying besides having fun with a very large mag

[main holly]

i lvled it and i foudn it underperforming compared to the other guns

[nova valley]

Dunno. I like the suppression on it honestly. It is fun!

[limber cradle]

Just remember

The best CC is death.

[verbal dew]

yeah

[main holly]

i prefer desperado with autpistols and stubs over braced ^^'

[verbal dew]

it's like rampage propping up crowbar

[main holly]

stubs desp is so much fun, but after a bunch o games my fingies hurt

[verbal dew]

like you could do something with it, but that's all just rampage

crowbar is still poop

[main holly]

sadly, yeah

would've been cool

[verbal dew]

auto fire mod

just lets you hold down fire

[main holly]

i prefer vanilla ^^

and by a bunch of games i mean like 3hours of playing ^^

[verbal dew]

well you can just macro that stuff anyway

[leaden fable]

I normally don't like macros but shiv + stub scum has me considering it lol

https://tenor.com/view/ouch-my-damn-hand-gif-20531901

[verbal dew]

yeah I will always go for qol mods that saves my fingers and wrists

[bronze glade]

Gotta protect your fingers

[manic wolf]

Some sort of full auto mod for semi-auto weapons is mandatory for DT tbh

Less so melee weapons unless you're just spamming lights all the time, but 1000% for ranged

[calm aurora]

Laspistol without it is painful ngl

[manic wolf]

Dual Stubs an InfLas too

Also HH's

[digital mango]

https://tenor.com/view/leek-gif-26546868

[tranquil fjord]

it took them long enough to add a dodge counter

[manic wolf]

He looks panicked, did his boat spring a leek?

I'll fuck off now

[torpid cloud]

How does that work

[woeful hill]

leek in da boat

[main minnow]

Would y'all agree with this notion

When the going is good, Hivescum seems overpowered because they can get all the kills "First". When things get messy and especially on higher difficulties, they fall back down to being more comparable/balanced.

[brittle sierra]

No, Scum and Psyker are the best classes in the game by a landslide and it isn't even close

[lost ravine]

Yes

as in yes scum and psyker just do more damage than others

[mighty belfry]

Hive scum shines in higher difficulties just like psyker does

[zenith fern]

Any class is powerful if they kill things first

If I kill a crusher pack as ogryn faster than my teammates, I am the OP class

If a teammate kills a boss before me, I am the worst class

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-as-that-clash-royale-hee-hee-hee-haw-gif-25054781

[marble seal]

Nah, they’re the easiest clutch class outside stealth cheese

I’d rather be scum than anything else in a bad situation

The dodge speed and toughness regen on being shot let you get out of almost any situation

[mighty belfry]

Toughness regen on ranged damage carries this class so hard if I'll be honest

It is legit one of the best forms of survivability in this game

[blissful gull]

ruffian or anarchist for rampage shivs builds?

[limber cradle]

I prefer the crit chance tbh

[blissful gull]

why?

its 5%

[limber cradle]

It's 5 percent on top of the metric fuckton of other crit chance you stack

More crits more better

Synergize with things I like more, like hypercrit and tox melee on crit

[blissful gull]

it seems like pumping melee by 10% is better though since it means your crits are 10% stronger too

[limber cradle]

Well

Seems like you know what you like then

[blissful gull]

I don't like or like not it; I'm trying to figure out which is optimal.

[mighty belfry]

5% crit bcuz crit sound effects are cool and that therefore makes it the most optimal

[calm aurora]

that would depend on the rest of the team, If I have a choice

[upbeat gyro]

For weapons that crit high, crit, and shivs are one of those, youre not trying to hit some breakpoints like with rashad

Brutal Momentum would change things as then you wanna oneshot to get multiple enemies in one swing

[silver mural]

Brunts servitor is so chill today, decided i wanted to try a maximum chem tox build and he gave me a 60 mobility saw first thing

[silver mural]

Im a freaking idiot and triggered a host by retreating in its direction. But i solo'd it! Which is the first time ive done that. The corruption healing from the stim box is very useful

[mighty belfry]

well

i think mk3 knife is my favorite rampage weapon right now

[zenith fern]

someone been missing out on peak scum

knife rampage is very good

[woeful jackal]

Scumming it

[mighty belfry]

i mean i know that mk6 is good

but mk3 is

uniquely beneficial for this class i've noticed

[spice cloud]

Both are very good

Imo

The shivs are BONKERS with rampage.

Honestly everything is

The chainsword is also kinda crazy

[mighty belfry]

shivs are just busted

mk3 also kinda forces me to think a little more about my engagements and i like that a lot

[spice cloud]

The demonhosts true weakness was fentanyl all along.

[manic wolf]

Just tried to play Arb after on months on Scum...

Yeah... no

No thanks

Like swimming through molasses

[slow solstice]

Came across a HiveScum named Female-Mauls-Sub. That woman knows what she’s about.

[neat delta]

Scum is legit what makes dclaw a way better weapon by just pumping it tf up with talents

Literally shot a barrel next to a chorus zealot cuz I was already mowing down everything

[manic wolf]

Nothing wrong with that, Chorus Zealot is just a worse shock mine or shout

[muted pivot]

How different is the mark 3 knife to mark 1 shivs?

Similar moveset without the throwing shiv I thought

[silver mural]

That is true! I always poay taxe on mine to be less slow.

[manic wolf]

Pretty different in all honesty

[muted pivot]

It's another classic lights for trash, heavies for targets that need them, weapon right? What makes it different?

[manic wolf]

I mean, if you wanna be reductive about it, I guess so, but ime they play pretty differently

[muted pivot]

Can you explain the difference? I don't get to play much ATM but I always liked the 3 more than the 6

So I'm intrigued

[zenith fern]

Mk3 knife heavies are a constant mix of wide sweepd and stab overhead

[manic wolf]

I don't find it anywhere near as capable of aggression compared to the shivs, you gotta generally be more careful, it has less range but higher single target

Also push attack is very stronk

[silver mural]

Push attack poke is very fun

That push attack might make it higher dps into single targets but idk. Shivs have great base damage

[main trellis]

Try ogryn

[manic wolf]

I will not.

Synaesthesia is poppin off today, i don't need that sort of thing at the moment

[silver mural]

Isnt ogryn technically faster (in terms of walk and sprint speed) then the little ones until weapon choice and talents are taken into account?

[main trellis]

Compare attacking with various weapons & compare att spd and effective dmg done & clear by ogryn vs HS weapons

And you’ll see

[silver mural]

I dont understand, what does damage and attack speed have to do with movement?

[main trellis]

Weren’t we talking about effectiveness in combat?

[silver mural]

Maybe i misunderstood Stim shady, i thought they meant moving slowly when they said arbites swims through molasses.

So I thought you were bringing up ogryn as an even slower character

[main trellis]

Movement depends on weapons mainly

HS does not have slow moving weapons

Arby does; ogryn too

[manic wolf]

Its about pace of play

Hive Scum has fast weapons and is hypermobile

Arb and Ogryn are like slugs that have crawled through superglue

[floral galleon]

Ain't no way I read this right, I refuse to believe I'm not hallucinating

[manic wolf]

I mean, its kinda true tho

Zealot gives up being able to do Zealot things in order to use it

You're essentially wandering around with your thumb up your ass for ten seconds every time you press F

[floral galleon]

And by doing so can ensure the survival of your team, allowing a res, controlling a monster / boss or even ledging it, stopping a captain's bullshit, allowing pushing / forced rushes to say rituals, allowing you to push shooters-

Do I need to go on?

Oh also pox gas is fun and big xd but zealot throwing up his fancy gilded capital I and oh look nobody loses toughness

[main trellis]

Its not even 10s

[clever wren]

be me, zealot
Big E's strongest boy
relic dealer on deck 67 sells me a holy symbol that is said to prevent heretics within its range from attacking
a little skeptical but decide to try it anyway
all the heretics within its range are prevented from attacking
I am also prevented from attacking
mfw

[manic wolf]

Still wandering about sniffing your ass tho

[main trellis]

I’m quite a hog what can i saw

[floral galleon]

No way did bro pull a 67 on us

[main trellis]

[main trellis]

I’m also dog

Shit

[main trellis]

TFW you realize Soldier 76 did a reverse 67 before it was cringe

[manic wolf]

There was a time that wasnt cringe?

[main trellis]

Yes; before its creation

[spice cloud]

That assumes that ur team is completely incompetent tbh

And cant stay alive without chorus

Wich is not the case

Also shout exists

[floral galleon]

I do hope you have hundreds of havoc 40's under your belt

[spice cloud]

Great response

[floral galleon]

I Know right, @main trellis the bois and I have done numerous without shouts, choruses and we never use bubble

[main trellis]

Everyone can shout… but what if you don’t have a vet

🤔 🤔 🤔

[floral galleon]

Also doesn't by your logic needing shout also mean you can't survive without someone just conjuring gold toughness on you all

Just saaaaaying~

[spice cloud]

Yes gold tghnss is lame imo

I hate it

[floral galleon]

High difficulties in this game are more and more revolving around what we can do with 100% focus

[main trellis]

I just like stagger from shout; i pick it for it

[floral galleon]

meaning lacking one component results in a shitshow much easier

[spice cloud]

But shout is more usefull imo

Because u dont get locked into animation

[floral galleon]

What 7, 8 seconds of your time to basically allow your team to do something by providing a burst of hard CC and gtoughness? A fair price I'd say

Let's keep in mind dreg shooters are unbalanced as all hell

[astral canyon]

Its not very fun tbh

[spice cloud]

I think zealot with boss dmg is way more usefull in high havoc

[manic wolf]

Then your odds of success increase by aproximately 300%

[spice cloud]

Id rather burst down a boss quickly then tank him forever

[main trellis]

Everyone wants to see big numbers after all right

[floral galleon]

A chorus build doesn't mean the zealot suddenly does no real damage

@pulsar aspen Would have ALOT to say to that

[astral canyon]

Im talking about how you cant really play the game while doing chorus

[pulsar aspen]

@floral galleon I would and could. But at times this is like fighting windmills. I have no interest in that.

[astral canyon]

Like youre effectively also ccing yourself while doing it

[manic wolf]

I don't like playing it, erefore, its bad

[floral galleon]

It's like fighting damage sponges fr fr

[spice cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/eyeroll-gif-27458809

[floral galleon]

Warmaster Baiter, I've been expecting you

[limber cradle]

Chorus may not totally gimp zealot but it's the default bad zealot ability too

[astral canyon]

Its a similar reason i dont find smite to be fun

[pulsar aspen]

@astral canyon So what i get from that is you want to continously always push push push damage damage damage attack attack attack otherwise it is NOT playing the game, do i understand that correctly?

[floral galleon]

Oh smite is a completely different animal, you DEDICATE yourself to CC

Smite =/= chorus

[manic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-lol-rofl-laughing-ketawa-gif-10164703

[astral canyon]

I mean yeah smite is that issue cranked up to 11

[main trellis]

I dunno; i really do nothing for sure… meanwhile:
-stagger
-suppression
-survivability for the entire team
-stun immunity
-dmg/tdr boost
Yeah… nothing

pepega

[astral canyon]

Just saying its a similarity that i do not particularly enjoy

[floral galleon]

I see your point but smite is infinitely different from chorus, the primary point of chorus is the gold toughness followed squarely by the hard CC

[limber cradle]

Death is, as always, the best CC.

[floral galleon]

Chorus also has much lower range compared to smite

[astral canyon]

Im not saying they are the same

Again its just one similarity