hivescum-class

[mighty belfry]

mk6 knife with blackouts is so fun

[verbal dew]

20-30 is the not fun area of havoc to be in

[upbeat gyro]

It feels like old heresy pre-havoc where all the baddies were at

Except its actually also lot harder and requires lot more ingame knowledge, which i dont really have enough yet either

Got no idea where bosses spawn and which areas are good to fight at or when to fall back etc.

[verbal dew]

I honestly don't even remember how anything below havoc 35-ish is anymore

[upbeat gyro]

Combine with just terrible teammates that are even worse, and its a struggle

[verbal dew]

once you hit 40 you can coast your way in to any 40 again

which is why the ppl taxi-ing and carrying others to 40 for the rewards just make the whole pool so much worse

[verbal dew]

one-way crossings/drops are usually spots like that

falling back is usually just not wanting to be in a cramped space if possible

or near a daemonhost or something

but as long as someone marks where to go and everyone follows, it usually turns out well

I do like that you can get by with just simple commands tho, I don't really do premade havocs and I don't use voice

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah id just have to grind and learn while at it, not sure i got that time for DT though

Gonna see If casually havoc or two a week Will progress or just keep me where i am at

All i ever wanted was H25 armor anyway, now lack motivaation after it

Apparently i need carrot

[lost ravine]

is there a fun area

[verbal dew]

10-ish might be fun for some, a light maelstrom

like havoc modifiers are usually p interesting

but ppl play 40 for a reason, so I assume they find it fun in the challenge/despair

[mighty belfry]

[verbal dew]

well I include myself ofc

[mighty belfry]

i have been experimenting with more builds that don't go into the bottom right at all

and i realize, i actually like them a lot more

at least rn

[verbal dew]

for me it's hard to give up the on command 50% toughness stims

I remember better to use my stims

when there's a direct synergy with upkeep

I think I could get in to the rending build more if I didn't need to think to use heavies

[manic wolf]

Lule, had to share

[upbeat pendant]

other than dual auto and iag, any good weps to try on a ranged build? how much worse is the dual stubs compared to the dual auto and ive seen some videos talking about the shredder too

[livid raven]

Shredder

dual stubs are much, much worse compared to the dual auto for ranged builds

[manic wolf]

Idk if they're outright worse, they're different and less easy to use, but they can still put out the deeps

[livid raven]

yeah no, no way they put out the same dps

[manic wolf]

Not the same DPS, no but still good DPS

[lavish bronze]

Dual stubs are good sidesrm

[manic wolf]

They also have a modicum of decent cleave, so they're pretty efficient for picking priority targets out of trash

[verbal dew]

bistol and double barrel shotty are fun

[livid raven]

they are still a bad gun for ranged builds

they can't vomit the entire magazine on everything in front of you

[manic wolf]

Im not sure I agree with that, i can quite happily play them on a ranged build with Pinning/Speedloader

Mind you, I do use the full-auto mod to save me fingies

[main holly]

sigh i just love soem ppl... go off writing hwo we shoudl stick together ... 3 ppl stick together one wanders off alone, guess who it is?

and ofc then the other two decide to go rescue him one after the other and die too xD

[manic wolf]

The lemming problem

[upbeat gyro]

As hivescum its extra sucky when noobs die since you dont have really sustain to sit there 4s taking hits

So easy way to go down too over someone elses mistake

[main holly]

i am currently a big fella though, doign penances. but i agree as scum it is extra painfull

[hot edge]

just dont res people

[upbeat gyro]

Im not good enough to solo havocs either so 🤷‍♂️

[dark moon]

but zoomies are so awesome

[dark moon]

hive scum is the only class i take 3 revive perks on curios . that extra revive speed is nice

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah after that game where i died while reviving, i added 2nd one

Maybe should go for the 3rd too...

[exotic temple]

Shredder is an interesting ranged weapon. With desp and vm it allows you to be more beneficial to your team than just mowing down enemies and making everything boring for the rest of the team. It staggers elites and if you focus on killing specials you can be a toughness battery for the team. It also works well with the in your face playstyle of ranged scum.

[upbeat gyro]

21% hp, 2x 17% toughness, 2x combat ability, 2x revive, 2x toughness, 3x gunneris what i run atm

[dark moon]

2x 17 tgh and 1x 3 stam what i usually run on all classes beside ogryn

i like the mobility of the class

i used to play zealot a lot but hive scum is better xd

for my playstyle atleast

[upbeat gyro]

Kinda makes it feel like you can dodge near infinitely though

And i feel too squishy to go for stamina

[dark moon]

desperado build makes you immune to all ranged attacks

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah i find desp easier than melee, but i wanna learn to play melee still more

[dark moon]

yeah true i do also need to play melee more but

[upbeat gyro]

Nonstop ranged spam feels bit cheap in same way as inferno staff

[dark moon]

desperado is too fun

also the rpg is chef kiss

this event with scum + desperado + rpg = easy mode on auric

or atleast this is how it feels for me xd

[unique dagger]

i'll give you one goated trick for rituals

one chem nade is enough if you chuck it directly under the demonhost to fully clear the rit

it works with rockets with good aimn and %100 works on rockets with toxin stacks

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah same experience

[unique dagger]

one needle pistol shot is enough to kill one ritualist

[upbeat gyro]

Lastnight Rituals went fine when i was on hivescum as we had enough dmg, but after 2 fails, i switched to arbi to make it safer for rest of the team, and then we were too slow to get em done in time

I guess only real solution would have been leaving the team and trying another better one

But failing and sticking around is learning experience too as you get to identify what you were missing and so on

And ragequitting and generally giving up too easy is heretic behaviour

[zealous basin]

Hey guys does stim supply still not buff people if your stim is on cd

[manic wolf]

Honestly i've adopted the habit of not even trying to save people whilst playing Scum unless its a 100% safe bet. Scum has a good amount of solo clutch potential so if it comes to it, thats often the better option than risking a wipe trying to save someone

[zealous basin]

I haven’t played in a while and that was my biggest criticism with support scum is that if stim is on cd your ability is useless

Wondering if it’s still the case

[main holly]

i have two cats and adhd, i live by zoomies

[dark moon]

same but with only a cat and no adhd

[upbeat pendant]

i use 3x revive speed and shoot a rpg at them, should give enough time to rez before the stagger wares off on bosses

[dark moon]

i do the same hehe 😂

[upbeat pendant]

after that, its praying the guy you rez actually helps

[dark moon]

doesn`t really matters when you can zoom all around the map and revive him/they again

[main holly]

love my hivescum ^^ just doing penances atm ^^

wanna do 100% of them :3

[upbeat pendant]

its also why i love book zealots, they give me so much free space compared to the others

[kind crystal]

Which is more important for taxe, in your opinion, if I can take only HC or HV?

Or should I drop something to take both?

[verbal dew]

I'd try for both

but idk your build

[kind crystal]

Rampage and chem dep because I'm not sure what I like for melee 😅.

I have HC, because I went Swift Endurance, Sweet Spot (25% weakspot) to get Pickpocket.

[manic wolf]

Based ADHD haver

[manic wolf]

Shame they can't do Zealot DPS whilst using the book

Mind you, a good Zealot has killed half the shit by the time they ult anyway

[upbeat pendant]

i suggest trying out 2x hp 1x stam, 3x revive, 3x combat ability, 2x stamina, 1x 5% hp, its what im currently running, i used to run 3x hp but it was overkill, the 1x stam is more beneficial throughout the run

[main holly]

i run gunenr resistance on most tbh ... i have an absolute luck with gunnersy where they kidna spawn in me back and one salvo kills be if i do nto run gunner resistance

[upbeat pendant]

one of my successful (and less stressful) h40 run was with double book and an arbi, while i was desp hive scum, so much space from the two of them rotating books

[main holly]

if i run it: never get shot in the back xD

[manic wolf]

You only need x2 gunner resist, severe diminishing returns after 2

[manic wolf]

Yeah, makes sense, though book is a weird one. Like its got good CC, but unless the dude knows how to use it properly, it can be actively detrimental

[upbeat pendant]

this is for desp scum though, so no gunner resist

[upbeat pendant]

yeah they were good players, arbi also had the shock dog so thats even more cc, most of the time where my runs fail, its mainly cause there was too many enemies and our dps cant keep up, id take a book over a subpar vet any day, especially ones that do lesser than a taunt ogryn that spent half the game shielding against bosses

[manic wolf]

Vets are weird, they're either absurdly cracked or dog-worthless, no inbetween

[upbeat pendant]

agreed, no in between

[compact oyster]

2 gunner resis is the best on curios

or 3 if theyre really pissing you off

[main holly]

word

[lost ravine]

untrue and false
every additional gunner resist perk is -20% damage taken compared to before

just because it doesn't have increasing returns doesn't mean it has the inverse

[manic wolf]

Diminishing returns doesnt mean the inverse, Kat

It just means you're getting less value out of the third one than you are the prior two

[verbal dew]

p sure someone did the math

[manic wolf]

If you wanted to be really specific you could say that diminishing returns kick in on the second one, but in practical terms its not so much to make it not worth running, whereas the third one is because other stuff will hold greater value at that point

[manic wolf]

Yeah, its been done numerous times over the game's lifespan at this point

[compact oyster]

There's a diminushing returns on the reduced damage. Instead of being added (20+20+20) its a multiplicative buff (0.80.80.8).

[upbeat gyro]

Redid my curios lastnight (why i remember those stats without checking) then did mission or two and checked shop and found my first +3stam

So thats why its been out of consideration completely

[solar knot]

Technically it isnt. Its 20% of the remaining one each time. Its how calculations work in 99% of games i know.

Diminishing would mean that you actually lose out on stats.

Similarly to soft caps in the souls games

[solar knot]

Yup.

This goes the other way arround to be 51.2%

[manic wolf]

It just means you're getting less than you did for the previous buff, there are still returns, just less of them

Souls games use the same idea, you don't lose health when going over a vigor softcap for example, you just get lesser gains than you did below that threshold

Going over 60 Vigor in Elden Ring for example, doesnt mean you suddenly lower your max HP, you just get a smaller amount added

[silver mural]

Imagine if it wasnt diminishing and you could reach 100 percent DR

[manic wolf]

Bethesda game moment

[silver mural]

Literally. They are so bad for not capping things.

Skyrim being probably the worst offender since it made all 3 of its crafting skills ridiculously strong even without the bug that could give you infinite stats.

Though armour is capped for some reason at like 85 percent dr

[manic wolf]

Oblivion has much the same issues, 100% spell absorb and 100% magic resist? No problem G, easy to do

[silver mural]

For sure, but i can forgive it more easily since oblivion has the better magic. Its infuriating how they capped the damage magic can do to the point where the best pure mage build is either summoning or making spells cost nothing and stun locking the game into submission

Tbf tho thats only an issue when playing on harder difficulties but still

[solar knot]

Well no its always 20%

In ds 2 one level you get 60 more hp the very next only 12 more.

Its as if you were to get 20% twice but only 5% on the 3rd.

I can show you what i mean exactly with a different example.

[manic wolf]

Its a multiplicative value, so its not 20% of the damage, its 20% of the remaining damage after the previous DR, hence "diminishing"

[solar knot]

Well.. thats not what diminishing means ^^"

[manic wolf]

It literally is

[solar knot]

Purely arithmetically speaking.. no. But yea i guess people can see it that way.

[upbeat gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-ackchyually-actually-gif-11156171

This was bound to be posted at some point if this was to continue

[solar knot]

:p

[upbeat gyro]

But yeah 3rd gunner resistance is noticeably lower value than first and 2nd, but it still helps when gunner goes for you (which can be issue with rampage scum). On Desperado i wouldnt run 3 definitely

[solar knot]

I dont ever notice gunners being an issue personally.

On most classes it takes atleast 4 of them to lower my toughness more than i gain.

But they dont stay alive long enough to make that happen. I make sure of that

[brittle sierra]

What difficulty do you play on? 🤔

[solar knot]

Minimum auric

Or well, lower if i play with my wife or friends

[brittle sierra]

But then again scum be like

[solar knot]

Barrels and teammates are truly my biggest enemy.

[vapid jungle]

I think its more for those moments you don't realize a gunner is up high behind you and shreds your health instantly

[solar knot]

Again.. takes atleast 4 for me to notice im taking damage

My hivescum regens roughly 54 toughness a second. Even more with the cartel special.

Yesterday my wife told me i got hit by a crusher. And i genuinely didnt notice.

That was on damnation though tbf.

[solar knot]

May i see the build you're using, if you dont mind?

[vapid jungle]

No

[solar knot]

Oki ^^

[manic wolf]

Lule

[upbeat pendant]

can i check, for blessing that say they can stack/refreshed during active duration, how long is the duration originally?

[vapid jungle]

That sounds like a mod.

[upbeat pendant]

for example, pinning fire where it says
"+5% Strength for every Enemy you Stagger. Stacks 5 times."
how long is the buff

[vapid jungle]

Ohhh. Yea need a mod. This game communicates stuff like that poorly. I don't use mods but I think there's a guide somewhere around here for that.

[upbeat pendant]

Yeah im using enhanced descriptions but some dont have the durations listed, shame

[upbeat pendant]

ok wow first game with shredder and its a win. i actually think its better than the dual autos in almost every aspect, except for maybe pure horde clear but even then it can still clear hordes decently fine. man i wish i could send images

[manic wolf]

Shredder gud, very good infact

[upbeat pendant]

yeah im gonna stick with it from now on, good bye dual autos

[manic wolf]

Its effectively DAP adjacent, you're trading raw DPS for a greater degree of hit probability

More effective over range, still giga-DPS and doesnt require sacrificing a blessing slot

[upbeat pendant]

yeah, the lack of recoil on the shredder really made me like it more, i was so much easier to go for weakspots with it

[manic wolf]

Yerr, plus it's access to Pinning Fire is crazy good

Gets two of the overall best DPS blessings for an auto weapon in Pinning/Blaze

[upbeat pendant]

indeed, the exact two blessings that im using

[vapid jungle]

It also has pretty strong stagger when braced

[upbeat pendant]

gonna test out the bistol and dualstubs next hopefully that arent that much lacking compared to the dualautos and shredder

[vapid jungle]

For desperado they are not as great. I like them for special sniping on chem dep or rampage tho

Bistol is great with blinders

[manic wolf]

BPistol is more of a stagger stick than owt else, very good on Chem-Dep an Rampage builds for free CC

[bronze glade]

explodey bistol desp is pretty good too

[vapid jungle]

I've been meaning to experiment with that and the buffed stagger talent

Wonder if there's a niche in there somewhere

[bronze glade]

i kinda doubt it still tbh

[upbeat pendant]

ok finally got a game, bistol dont make me look bad

[maiden pine]

what is the best crowd control build with hive scum

support chem buildsm

[manic wolf]

Any build which uses Blackouts

[clear isle]

guys I have a question, so I was playing the new event, and I noticed I kept getting my grenades back every so often? I was using chem cans which I don't remember having a regen property?

Is that a thing in the new event? or has there been some update in the past months I wasn't aware of?

[maiden pine]

there is a chance to get grenades back in coherency

if you kill bunch of crushers around your teammates you will get grenades back

[clear isle]

that's due to the event?

[tender grail]

Yeah, it’s not pointed out in game anywhere I don’t think. but it’s part of the event modifier

[clear isle]

Thanks a lot

[tender grail]

It’s very nice for chasing Blitz penances

Got the Ogryn “Hit 4 elite/specials with Da Box in a row, without missing, five times” done from scratch in all of two matches

Same with Chem Bombs and Boom Bringer

[main holly]

that was a normal hit though, right?

[solar knot]

Uh, he hit me with his normal delayed overhead swing. Define normal hit.

Its not too uncommon for me to walk straight into a crushers face and shank him with tiny knife as hivescum. Even on auric on face tank most of his stuff. Just the overhead swing would damage me. But not on damnation it seems.

I still dont know how a small knife kills crushers in a matter of seconds.

[supple kraken]

tetanus, acids n toxins, you being geeked out on many drugs imaginable even outside of stims, poor grade armor (which is still armor, but imperium's proper carapace armor beats it unless we are dealing with plagued armor) and we get a pretty solid multitude of factors why this is possible

oh and also our knives are most likely plasteel

[solar knot]

Its a mix of bleeding and chem toxin that does it. The knife itself does like 5 damage on the initial hit.

[supple kraken]

oh then even more sense

blood infection too

[solar knot]

Or when i plan my estrogen bomb on the ground that kills em even faster

[main holly]

not the overhead as that deal a lot of dmg even on damnation

[solar knot]

I was hit again the same mission by an overhead and it only touched my toughness.

I was also stimmed during that though.

[bronze glade]

they're just a bit uncanny

[main holly]

iirc its 130dmg with a 2x multiplier vs toughness and a 50% increase if backstab

so that would have hit you for 390dmg

on toughness and the overhead bleeds over

[solar knot]

It wasnt a backstab.

[main holly]

so usually that is about 100hp dmg if you run 3 toguhness curios

oh i though you said froim behind

[solar knot]

Doesnt the cartel special give you like 50% damage reduction?

No, i said i didnt notice it.

[main holly]

not by default, no

[manic wolf]

Lule

[solar knot]

Well yes, i use the tank one.

[clear isle]

just went back to my crowbar build after not using it for a couple months

how tf did I ever use this weapon? its so ass

[zenith fern]

thats the point

it is bad and feels bad to use

[clear isle]

real, im gonna delete this build

[bronze glade]

crowbar moment

[unreal stirrup]

crowbar become mid when

[mighty belfry]

I think if this is rampage, hyperviolence is the must have if you're running the typical BM + Headtaker setup

It is nice to have both.

[limber cradle]

@unique dagger build feels stupidly good btw, I swapped PP for stimm regen with chem pool+chem nades talent

[main holly]

sorry had to finish a match
so base dmg is 130 x2 fro toughness no backstab = 260 dmg
tank stim gives 16% dmg reduction (4x4%) which lowers the dmg down to 218,4
assuming you run full toughness curios you have around 210 toughness so this overhead hit would have at least fully depleted your toughness.
however if you had the stim and rampage on at the same time you would have only taken 153,4 dmg. which does not bleed over but still is 3/4 of the toughness bar with 3 toughness curios (including the 5% toughness perk on each)

however if the crusher was backstabbing or flanking you the dmg would have increased by another 50%
given that you didn't notice flanking is highly likely as there is only 5 slots for ogryns to stand around a player as opposed to 7 slots for human sized enemies

[unique dagger]

the fuck is pp

[upbeat gyro]

I should do other classes than Hivescum that im still missing

But feels just wrong to bring anything else than RPG into it

[verbal dew]

in to the event?

[trim wind]

URINE

[verbal dew]

I've ran all but zealot and arby

hell, even shredder vet does a lot of work

and psyker likes armor blobs with either FGS or rending trauma action

[dark moon]

Yeah the rpg and kraks are the best . They simply delete everything in an instant

I love when i'm the only scum in the team and most of the time they rely on me to delete the 20 crushers pack 😂 😂 . Also believe it or not but i kinda like to have a smyker in my team

[mighty belfry]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a13edae3-066b-4a01-a4ce-e151a58df34c/ethical-knife-scum-for-h40 this was fun to use yesterday

[upbeat gyro]

wut? First time i see someone using that

Is it good?

Blackouts without pocket toxin is a sad face though

[mighty belfry]

You can dodge block ragers and it makes it way easier to not take chip from them. I block a lot to proc Butterfly.

[main holly]

is this a parry build?

ohhh knoife not sword mah bad

[dire badge]

blidner grenedes or chem?

[zenith fern]

all scum blitzes good

depend what build

[dire badge]

shivs, fent gun, melee

[mighty belfry]

Blinders

Chem nades don't really compliment melee builds that well

At least imho

[limber cradle]

Pickpocket

[main trellis]

Was good cause it was countering dogshit stamina deletion on rampage end
Now its nothing burger… unless you spam push attacks

[manic wolf]

Imo they dont even support ranged builds all that well

They kinda fall into the "superflous" catagory as they dont really do anything that Scum doesnt already do

Like wave clear, cool, both ranged and melee Scum are exceedingly good at that already, why would you pick it over Blackouts or RPG when both of them do something Scum isnt natively good at

[zenith pagoda]

Nah

Useless now

Here is my ranking of best blitzes in the game:

1. rocket
2. chem nade
3. shock mine
4. krak
5. smoke

[limber cradle]

I've been running them and they work nice tbh

It's genuinely a flavor pick for me atp

Take whatever you want/take rocket if you want a one point wonder

[verbal dew]

I'd prob put knives in my top 5

[limber cradle]

Knives were cooler before Shiv got them as a better weapon special

[verbal dew]

I never use them on shiv

[limber cradle]

I use them genuinely all the time on Shiv

[verbal dew]

forget I have them or just miss or dislike having them be dot

[limber cradle]

They still effectively one tap a lot of things

Snipers are a big one

I dump em into bosses too

[verbal dew]

ye im not saying they're bad

[limber cradle]

Or if there's 2 specials I'll throw at one and melee the other

[verbal dew]

just not my cup of tea

[mighty belfry]

Which, mk6 knife

So it fits perfectly

Plus I'll admit. Getting the extra Stam on dodge is really nice for ragers

Makes it way easier to push them while also staying defensive.

Also nice that it procs on fodder gun dodges

[mighty belfry]

There's some value in having something that can get a lot of toxin kills in a short time for sample collector admittedly

So it's nice for Chem builds if a situation is really dense since you can overlap your crate with enough kills

[limber cradle]

Chem nades pair real nice with uhhh

Stimm regen talent

[mighty belfry]

That being said.

Ya sample collector

[limber cradle]

And chem nades+tox talent kill shit real well tbh

[mighty belfry]

But I wouldn't use it for anything but Chem builds personally

And personally

I also just don't think they're that good specifically for this class.

[limber cradle]

Ham runs em and that guys smart tbf

[manic wolf]

Yeah, its not worthless, but it is overlapping with Scum's strengths, the other two are less uhh.. confliciting with how Scum plays

[mighty belfry]

I think I just play too aggressively for them to work for me

[limber cradle]

.

His logic

I see it tbh

Anything that doesn't instantly die dies shortly after ime

They're a bit more consistent for rituals too

[woeful hill]

@stable pecan

[stable pecan]

Awesome ty

[high path]

Fellas I gave up on psyker but whats the better axe for hive guy

[low harbor]

rashad mk3 combat axe

[high path]

Dump stat?

[low harbor]

mobility

unarmored carapace
brutal momentum
headtaker

[high path]

Really mobility?

[near mauve]

mob is always dump

[high path]

I tho

Why*

[low harbor]

not always

depends

[low harbor]

other 4 stats matter more here

[near mauve]

in most cases is more accurate

[high path]

Even if ur not running rampage

[low harbor]

if ur not using rampage, don't bother with axe

[low harbor]

hive scum's melee is almost entirely dependent on rampage to work

[mighty belfry]

Tbf tac axe is alright for chem builds

Low investment melee

It just happens to also be very good with Rampage too.

[woeful hill]

<@&735928989146939404> automod didnt catch this one

[spiral horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/john-marston-rdr-rdr2-rdr1-gun-gif-7116805855926794029

[woeful hill]

seems like a forgotten account that got stolen

scam and bots from this server have increased lately

https://tenor.com/view/snail-carrot-eating-muscles-gif-23130740

[spiral horizon]

it's been across public servers from what I've seen

[woeful hill]

I don't use other public ones

[spiral horizon]

because discord seemingly is incapable of doing anything about it

[woeful hill]

concerning

[spiral horizon]

hell even small servers I'm in that can be accessed from like twitch streams and w/e have it prop up every now and then

[woeful hill]

I try to ask them to do my taxes

but they ignore me

[spiral horizon]

christ

I remember that one

surely when discord gets around to doing real ID there will be no adverse consequences

[woeful hill]

surely

https://tenor.com/view/ohno-gif-13555747940236673731

[mighty belfry]

What scares me is how frequently peoples' accounts are getting jacked

It happened to me in January but Discord flagged pretty shortly after

[astral canyon]

kibty

[mighty belfry]

Scariest thing about it is that a bunch of my logins also got compromised too

So I don't know if it's even just Discord.

[zenith pagoda]

I have a scammer or spammer join my server every week or so

[austere coyote]

haveibeenpwned.com tracks data breaches

[low harbor]

Someone tried to scam me me on steam chat by saying in Chinese that I scammed them on CS cases and I responded that scammers like them don’t deserve to speak my language

[river skiff]

Would not 3 stamina regen curio perks be enough?

[mighty belfry]

checked

nada

[river skiff]

Fent gun LMAO

[river skiff]

Second is krak imo as you can regen 1 billion of em and they kill crushers

[mighty belfry]

ye but it also means i dont need them

[river skiff]

What do you run instead then?

[woeful hill]

The scams from TF2 and cs2 are funny

It's always about the items

[unreal stirrup]

i have like 2 fucking ref they can take it for free

oh nvm

[proven rain]

Need to double check, does the Purple Poison stack with other Brittle debuffs?

[low harbor]

saw_brittleness does stack on top of other brittleness debuffs

[proven rain]

thanks

🫡

[gilded torrent]

anything i should know about before purchasing hive scum?

[livid raven]

You should know that

It costs money, around 9 bucks

[gilded torrent]

go figure, huh

[livid raven]

Crazy, i know

[mighty belfry]

nyoom

[zenith fern]

Do you like drugs? Donhou like being a literal crackhead and go zoomies?

This is your fast paced, wall jumping gen z playable class

[gilded torrent]

ive burned bush b4 so i guess i could say yeah

[lost ravine]

yeah it's immensely powerful

ridiculously so

[limber cradle]

Psyker tier class

[lost ravine]

possibly above that even

[manic wolf]

Its more fun than Psyker tho

[lost ravine]

depends on the flavor

[limber cradle]

I think purge and desp scum are equally boring

I think SG meleeker and ramp scum are equally fun

Actually

[livid raven]

at least you move around with desp scum

[limber cradle]

I think I prefer Desp scum to purge psyker

Yeah lol

[livid raven]

and like, you are still fast and slide around

[lost ravine]

ranged builds 🥱
melee builds

[manic wolf]

It do be like that

[lost ravine]

except of course ilas vet

[manic wolf]

Vet has shovel though, so still winning on melee builds there too

[kind crystal]

Thanks!

[gilded torrent]

this class is fun as FUCK

holy SHIT

[zenith fern]

one thing to note, you will soon realize that desperado gets boring

[gilded torrent]

yeah its kinda lame

it does help me get out of pinches tho especially with packed trash shooters

tho if i level up i guess i could just get an anti-gunner curio for that

[zenith fern]

we rampaging this hive

[gilded torrent]

who up KILLING people

with shivs n crowbars n whatnot

[manic wolf]

Only TacAxe, sorry

[lost ravine]

de-spera-do

desperadon't wanna do this anymore

[merry plume]

Ight I just bought the DLC, time to be toxic and play like dogshit in game

[muted pivot]

Remember, drugs.

[merry plume]

Way ahead of ya

[muted pivot]

Since you are starting with the shivs either way, just so's you know the special attack to throw a shiv is really strong

Vs everything besides void shield, carapace included

[merry plume]

thanks for the tip!

[upbeat gyro]

If going melee, at lvl 14-16 (forgot exact number) you can grab pickpocket for infinite ammo, then equip needler and you have that shiv trowable toxin as a sidearm with infinite ammo that melts everything

Well, if you going ranged, youll want it then too, OP/broken talent

[shrewd chasm]

i think hive scum is cool i like playing the class a lot

[zenith fern]

You don't think, scum is really that cool

[merry plume]

I still don't fully get how I get more shivs to throw

Ammo doesn't seem to be it, but I still seem to get more at some point

[zenith fern]

Elite and special kills replenish shivs throws

[merry plume]

Ah, just like the zealot knives

Ta!

[zenith fern]

I honestly just forget that they even exist to me

[merry plume]

lol

kinda same so far

[zenith fern]

Shivs can do so much already that I do not find any use for the throwables

[lost ravine]

scum is only mildly insane as a class

(wrong)

(it is beyond insane)

"oh this class is squishy" riddle me this: if scum REALLY is squishy then how come it can facetank an overhead

[manic wolf]

Drugs, thats how

[lost ravine]

but then it isn't squishy now is it

[manic wolf]

you're squishy

[limber cradle]

I don't think any class in DT is squishy in the way a VT class feels squishy

[lost ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-squish-cheeks-cute-gif-7390964964960852724

[limber cradle]

Psyker and Scum are both stupidly tanky for how squishy they're considered

[manic wolf]

Toughness being a thing in Darktide is what gives that impression

[limber cradle]

I mean

You can also stack DR

[lost ravine]

toughness is just reverse thp

[limber cradle]

Which isn't very common in VT

[lost ravine]

and yeah DR is a real rarity in vt2

only thing that really comes to mind is barkskin and niche class passives

[manic wolf]

Ye, but its an ever-regenerating barrier that requires almost no input from the player, its kinda hard to ever feel that squishy with summat like that in play

[lost ravine]

like zealot can pick up some DR

and IB/FK just have some baked in

and WP

[limber cradle]

Idk, I simply don't think any class in DT is squishy squishy

[zenith fern]

The times any class is squishy is how terrible and dog shit you play

[lost ravine]

guilty as charged

[zenith fern]

And do not think when approaching danger

[limber cradle]

Agreed

[zenith fern]

No matter, you still gonna blame your teammates

[manic wolf]

🤷‍♂️ I see a heretic, i immediately want to shove an axehead into his face, the propaganda is strong

[zenith fern]

True

Sometimes is hard to not hold the urge

[lost ravine]

the voices

CAN'T STOP THE VOICES

[manic wolf]

The voices are the faint sound of the Nuncio Arb 3 rooms back getting buttfucked by Ragers

[lost ravine]

[vivid loom]

I've discovered the pleasures of the fent saw

[dark moon]

Does anybody else find the attack animation of shivs satisfying or it is just me ? 😂

[lost ravine]

shivs with rampage and frenzy are an excellent way to speedrun carpal tunnel

[manic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-25491298

[main trellis]

Shooters

[muted pivot]

remind me, perks for rashad for us?

rampage/adren build

[manic wolf]

Sure, the TacAxe

[main trellis]

Inb4 1 shooter deletes your entire toughness & chips your hp cause balanced enemy design with no way to reduce its dmg other than general drs

[muted pivot]

love my tac axe but crushers are pissing me off today so I want to punish them lol

[manic wolf]

Well I think you found your first perk then

[muted pivot]

just flak/unarmoured for hv shenanigans?

rashad fucks them up anyway

since it has like 90% adm

[manic wolf]

It does?

[muted pivot]

on heavies

[manic wolf]

I know sweet fuck all about Rashad at this point other than its a fuckin snoozefest

[muted pivot]

beyond 100% on a crit

[manic wolf]

Makes sense

[limber cradle]

Rashad is the vraks of melee weapons

[maiden pine]

can you realistically play and win with hive scum desperado builds? most of the havoc 40 i saw are shiv rampage meta builds

[limber cradle]

You can but you might suffer if you don't run rocket/get funneled nades

Desp scum very iffy with carapace if you run the normal guns

[trim wind]

it's not just realistic, is very good

[limber cradle]

Yeah

You'll mow down most things that aren't like

Crushers and ime bosses

[livid raven]

but the boss dps is pretty absurd

[limber cradle]

Yeah but it doesn't feel as good as shivs rampage

[sand tendon]

yes

infinite ranged ammo + ranged immunity for howeverlong is kind of op as shit

[idle ocean]

Hey fellas, do any of y’all know what % mobility on the shivs gives you 5 dodges? Should I just try to get 75 in everything?

Same with the crowbar, 75?

76*

[trim wind]

51 is the last dodge on any weapon

[idle ocean]

Breh. So even though it says 5 dodges are possible it actually isn’t?

Typical. Thanks for LMK

[livid raven]

that's at 100%

you can't reach 100% so

[woeful jackal]

I need myself a Max Payne build

[muted pivot]

full top left stimm path with the dual pistols and a crowbar then?

[shrewd chasm]

ive scum is really good fun

[woeful hill]

https://tenor.com/view/hollyweencandy-cat-cat-drink-milk-cat-eating-cat-drinking-gif-16978701194275077898

yes

[lost ravine]

it's even more fun without roket

[brittle sierra]

Your mom

[lost ravine]

[main trellis]

Yes ofc
If you are not pepega & know your priorities its fking ez alot of the time

[main trellis]

Not really; if you dodge contantly there is a difference between 60 & 80 mobility (you can dodge 1 more time before jumping)

[idle ocean]

Hey fellas, will hyper Crit work on the crowbar?? I’m just scrapped for points

Strapped^

(I don’t mean like will it function, of course it will, but will it be like…decent??)

[vapid jungle]

Generally better for finesse weapons

[exotic temple]

I’ve never actually run hc on crowbar. I tend to go hv with it but if you went with a crit build it might work.

The way I use crowbar is farm hv stacks with heavy attacks and then pop rampage or stim then spam light attacks while my attack speed is up to abuse hv stacks

Idk how that would work with hc or if you’d have to play it a different way

[gilded torrent]

lord magleviathan is such a fire fucking name

[lost ravine]

very mad max

[manic wolf]

Desperado is braindead easy, shoot gun, man die

Its that simple

No braincells required

[idle ocean]

Dwarf gang on top

Fuck the knife ears

[manic wolf]

Oof, thems fightin words

[main trellis]

there is still some requirement lets be honest; even the most braindead builds are dogshit if you don't have the fundamentals learned (and many ppl still don't; positioning, understanding the slot system, animations of enemies & utilizing them to your advantage)

[lost ravine]

lumberfoots

[main trellis]

otherwise every brainlet who copied a meta build would tackle everything with ease

and thats not the case

[manic wolf]

Nah, they're entirely optional, you can have good fundamentals, and it helps, but your average player has a lot more chance of finishing a mission on Desp Scum than they do with melee Scum, just M1 your way to victory

[main trellis]

oh if we draw that comparison then ofc; undeniably

[lost ravine]

m1 your way to victory is also melee scum

[manic wolf]

Yes, it is, but not quite as stupidly as you can get away with vs Desp

Like ranged Scummer can pull shit on the level of Zealot stupidity and rarely get punished for it

[silver mural]

I heard they fixed the interaction needlers had with desperado in that the tick would often not refresh the cooldown, is this true?

[livid raven]

Please don't use sneedler with desperado

[silver mural]

Im gonna do it, you CANT STOP ME

[zenith fern]

Good worth 2 damage on projectile hit!!!

[silver mural]

Does base desperado give you damage buffs? I thought you need to take further passive nodes

I havent played in a bit tho

So im working with hazy memories

[zenith fern]

just infinite ammo and sprint bost i think

[silver mural]

I just remember finding it really annoying that poison ticks didnt count for a few of the on kill effects

Like blinders

The tick on a melee or the needler wouldnt count as a kill towards getting back blinders

[shrewd chasm]

hive scum is so fun... this tactical axe doubble barrel build i got is so fun

atacking attack speed so much i dont even think an animation plays

i just hit enemies

[heavy compass]

I realize which place im posting but if i have low skill in darktide especially wirh dodging would hive scum improve my performance or just make me sad

[trim wind]

no you just need to learn how to dodge

[zenith fern]

scum is not the most reccomended for those who do not know how to dodge and movement

Scum is the best for the one who have plenty of experience

[brittle sierra]

I think this is mostly a combination of a poor tutorial and bad base settings

Like I don't think I can play this game without the removal of screen shaking

[zenith fern]

(Until you dodge from some odd geometry and sends you flying)

[brittle sierra]

Or the FOV at Max

[zenith fern]

people who play with screen shake and weapon blur and stuff are interesting specimen

[brittle sierra]

Or the dodge and jump button being on the same key

Seeing a new player jumping up like a rabbit when they see a crusher about to bonk them

[heavy compass]

Do you use kbm or contrrol

[brittle sierra]

The screen shakes when you take damage or are shot at

[heavy compass]

I see . I will look into that setting. I didnt really notice before but i do notice that there are many colorful visual onstructions at all times . Hard to see through for me but that may be a skill issue on my part

[zenith fern]

disable any shake, blur and intensitity

legit the most helpful for any fast intense game

If anyone who says is for immersion i will break their legs

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1020422214320930898/1021198961706536980/caption.gif

[heavy compass]

Ok thank you for this setting information

And thanks to all that replied

[unreal stirrup]

h40 default setting run when

[zenith fern]

also this

[brittle sierra]

Immersion to having an epilepsy attack 😈

The other problem is why when I have this game at the lowest settings I still need to use images generation to prevent the fps dipping into the 80s

[zenith fern]

fatshark magic

[trim wind]

for immersion

[brittle sierra]

I have never seen a game fluctuate this much in my life

165 fps then the moment a spawn comes up, immediately 65

[heavy compass]

My setting dont have half of tbe settings listed?

[zenith fern]

Max out FOV

And brightness too

I would maybe disable ragdoll interaction as well

[zenith fern]

You playing console?

[heavy compass]

I play on pc. The game is on pc game pass but its normally downloaded and installed

[zenith fern]

weird

@noble latch Does your game settings look like the same here?

since you play on microsoft store

[heavy compass]

I use rtx 5080 and intel i7

I got this computer like 2 months ago

[brittle sierra]

To screenshot just press prt scrn button

[bronze glade]

but IT'S inCoVENienT

[heavy compass]

I use discord on my phone since i dont use a headset so i have one ear bud in for discourd and one for gamss (i know, i know)

[zenith pagoda]

I literally got darktide for free with my 3080, but it still runs shit unless I use frame gen

[exotic temple]

https://tenor.com/view/im-gonna-do-it-batman-lopunny-theres-no-laws-against-the-pokemon-pokemon-joker-gif-314226898576851043

[noble latch]

no mine dont look like that

i have all the normal settings and stuff

[upbeat pendant]

Have yall used the no corpses mod before?

[tranquil fjord]

im p sure you can achieve the same effect in the normal settings

[upbeat pendant]

Normal game settings iirc is last 5 corpses? The mod insta removes them so the only things on screen are live heretics

[drifting heron]

Super Impact does basically the same thing but funnier

[tranquil fjord]

i think max ragdolls goes down to a max of 0

[manic wolf]

Yeeting heretics into the fucking stratosphere

They'll get closer to the upper hive than we ever will

[jovial osprey]

GONNA CUT ME SOME SOUVENIR

[mighty belfry]

alrighty

mk3 knife

maybe i put this aside too quickly

[topaz harbor]

Does anyone know what the pref. dumpstat for the needle-pistol is?

[mighty belfry]

damage

[blissful yew]

Super Impact has funny reactions with even hive scum weapons.

Blue Needle Toxin/Chem Bomb kills make poxwalkers pop like popcorn. Dual Stub Pistols become even punchier.

[river skiff]

And you shouldn't be using it in the first place lol 😭

Online games are worse with it on

[gilded torrent]

i got crushed by like five crushers in one map

im starting to thing that lowk there are LEVELS to this class...

[lost ravine]

elaborate

[gilded torrent]

turns out u cant just spam abilities and blitzes to kill them

maybe cus im underleveled

[lost ravine]

indeed, you also need to spam m1

[zenith fern]

crushers cant always be staggered too

[gilded torrent]

which personality type would fit a show scum

[astral canyon]

Show are the ones that produce drugs right

[gilded torrent]

yeah

[astral canyon]

Prob anarchist?

But really all 3 fit for show

[zenith fern]

outlaw is the least option for that

he is the robin hood of tertium

[jovial osprey]

I think the bounty hunter sound fit for the show

I use anarchist for my iron riders scum, and the outlaw for tread lighttes

[delicate basalt]

@shadow hamlet

all of these seem important

[astral canyon]

I wouldnt use quick and deadly tbh

I prefer the other two damage nodes

What weapons this for?

[shadow hamlet]

I honestly don't know their tree well enough to know them all off the top of my head

They said pistols I think

Which I couldn't enjoy personally

[delicate basalt]

ranged build bassicly

[shadow hamlet]

My friend really likes them tho

[delicate basalt]

either stub or auto

[astral canyon]

Stub pistols really want the ranged damage node a lot more

[delicate basalt]

i do prefer the stub

[shadow hamlet]

But he runs melee not ranged

Which probably has something to do with it

[astral canyon]

They build a bit differently

[astral canyon]

Stubs are much more sidearms for melee builds

Compared to dual autos

[shadow hamlet]

Yeah that's pretty much what I gathered

Also I totally forgot I have 3 points I still haven't used

[delicate basalt]

yeh fair

i just like the feel of the stubs tho

[astral canyon]

Usually when i run stubs i have mostly a very melee centric build with one point for the ranged damage talent on the top left

As well as running chem dep for the extra crit chance

[shadow hamlet]

I screen capped my build I just gotta wait for the clip to upload to the Xbox network

[astral canyon]

Stubs really want those crit weakspot hits for the spin shot

[shadow hamlet]

Cause I'm one of the 2 people that doesn't play this game on PC

[astral canyon]

Im the other people

Lol

[shadow hamlet]

@delicate basalt

Since I didn't use those last 3 points just put them into whatever you want I guess

Here's what my stim looks like

[astral canyon]

Theres def some room for improvement

[shadow hamlet]

Probably

But it gets the job done on Auric

[shadow hamlet]

I just spent the last 3 points and put them on Burst of Energy, Blessed Stimms, and Chem Fortified btw

[astral canyon]

Blessed stimms is pretty bad

[shadow hamlet]

Damn really?

[astral canyon]

Ye

[shadow hamlet]

Thanks FS

Once again they make a perk sound awesome in its description

[astral canyon]

Burst of energy good tho

[shadow hamlet]

Did they ever fix Hyper Critical?

I remember that perk just literally not working

[astral canyon]

Hyper critical is the same

[astral canyon]

Its mostly just people overexagerating its interaction with hyperviolence

Its still a strong talent

This is what i run with dual stubs (plus shivs)

[shadow hamlet]

What should I spend this last perk on you think?

I'm looking at jittery rn

[astral canyon]

Jittery good

[shadow hamlet]

Jittery it is

[astral canyon]

What melee are you running?

[shadow hamlet]

Shivs

My relics or whatever they're called are 1 wound and then 2 buffing my stamina

[astral canyon]

I'd also recommend taking the attack speed per stamina talent

[shadow hamlet]

Yeah I saw that one when I was looking around

[astral canyon]

Wound curios are not good outside of martyrdom zealot

Youre better off taking a health or toughness curio

[shadow hamlet]

I like having 3 wounds

The little safety net is nice

On most of my classes I run a wound and then 2 health or toughness

[astral canyon]

Its better to run something that helps you not get downed in the first place

[spice cloud]

Ur better off taking health or tghnss instead

Wounds are useleas

[shadow hamlet]

So people say

[spice cloud]

They dont give u more health

[astral canyon]

Because they are

Unless martyrdom zealot

[shadow hamlet]

I find it nice to have the extra

[spice cloud]

U go down just as fast u can just do it more often

[shadow hamlet]

If I wanted 2 down deaths I'd play VT2

[spice cloud]

So it actually doesnt provide much safety

[shadow hamlet]

I can manage without the extra bit of health

[lost ravine]

deaths are usually one down

[lost ravine]

yet you intend to be picked up twice before dying?

i find that curious

[shadow hamlet]

You never know when 8 poxbursters will jump out of a door at you

[spice cloud]

I think the extra health or tghnss will help u more

[shadow hamlet]

Which literally happened to me the other day

[spice cloud]

You whoukd try it

[shadow hamlet]

My entire team died instantly

Horrible experience

Very funny tho

[lost ravine]

and if it's 8 poxbursters then 1. don't be there and 2. would tick you over into the last wound with curios too

[spice cloud]

Its cause they all have wound curios too….

Im joking btw

[shadow hamlet]

I ❤️ my singular wound curio

[spice cloud]

Please atleast give it a try to go tghnss

Or health

[shadow hamlet]

Like I said I always have those as my other 2

[spice cloud]

Il sure it will help u

[shadow hamlet]

Except for on scum

I actually need to rework my scum curios cause I never changed out the blessings on them

[lost ravine]

but why

[shadow hamlet]

Or whatever the 3 smaller buffs are

[astral canyon]

Also if youre not using the attack speed talent then stamina curios are pretty unnecessary on scum

[shadow hamlet]

I was thinking of changing one out for a toughness buff actually

Cause having 2 seemed like too much

[astral canyon]

You already have the best stamina economy of the game

[shadow hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-know-idk-idk-about-that-gif-7336250873949261946

Sometimes unexpected shit happens that drains my health instantly

[astral canyon]

3 base stamina, 0.5s regen delay and 2 stamina per second regen

[shadow hamlet]

Also it's just how I like to play the game

[lost ravine]

expect the unexpected

[spice cloud]

No

[lost ravine]

and if it is so unexpected you're not likely to be picked up

[spice cloud]

Its not too much ever

Since u complain about dying a lot

Why would u then take away safety?

[shadow hamlet]

I'm talking about stamina curuos

Also I'm cracked at this game

[spice cloud]

Need those even less on scum

[shadow hamlet]

I have like 600 hours between this and VT2

[spice cloud]

U gor perks for that

[shadow hamlet]

Yeah that's kinda the conclusion I was coming to as well

[spice cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237

[astral canyon]

Swift endurance tho

[shadow hamlet]

There's just not much for me to do atp in either of them

So I only play them occasionally

[lost ravine]

hard time believing 600h total makes you cracked

[shadow hamlet]

Also I think it's closer to like 750 now that I think about it

Cause it's like 12 days on VT2 and 21 days on DT

[shadow hamlet]

How

That's a fuck ton of time for literally any game unless you have no life or exclusively play one game

[spice cloud]

Oh boy

I guess i have no life then

[shadow hamlet]

If you have 600 hours on a game and still suck at it there's a problem

Or you exclusively play this game

[spice cloud]

Nah

[lost ravine]

just because you're out of the suck zone doesn't mean you're cracked

[shadow hamlet]

Damn bro

Cooked

[shadow hamlet]

No I'm cracked

Definitely

[spice cloud]

I have 3000 hours in mount and blade warband

[lost ravine]

ok

[shadow hamlet]

This is like the one game I'm actually good at

[spice cloud]

A friend has over 5000 hours in project zomboid

[shadow hamlet]

At least that game has been out for a long ass time

But I couldn't fathom having that much time on any game basically

[spice cloud]

I actually have a bunch of games over 1000

[astral canyon]

Projecting a zomboid at your location rn

[shadow hamlet]

I just have other shit I wanna do with my time

[shadow hamlet]

I have like 2

Maybe

I guess probably Minecraft and Roblox cause of how much I played them as a kid

Also I've been playing them both for like 15 years atp

But of games I actually still actively play Warframe is the only one that comes to mind

[spice cloud]

Also medieval 2 must be over 2000 hours but steam wasnt a thing back then

[shadow hamlet]

Unc

[lost ravine]

i also have an undisclosed amount of hours on WoW

[shadow hamlet]

BG3 is dope as fuck but I just can't seem to have fun with it on my second playthrough

[lost ravine]

but it is certainly disgusting

[spice cloud]

I tried getting into WoW recently

[shadow hamlet]

My first time ever playing it was with 2 friends

[lost ravine]

i do not recommend it

[spice cloud]

Hardcore

[shadow hamlet]

So playing it alone just feels kinda sad and lonely

Cause my boys are missing

And honestly I really just haven't found myself giving a shit about the characters

They're well written for sure I'm just not enraptured by them

[spice cloud]

It was kinda fun

[shadow hamlet]

I think WoW is one of those games you have to get into when you're young for it to stick

[spice cloud]

Yeah

I mean its not bad

[shadow hamlet]

Warframe is that game for me

[spice cloud]

Its just quite grindy

[shadow hamlet]

I think I'll be playing the frame until the day I drop

[lost ravine]

for me it was first playing with my bf, then starting a playthrough on my own, then engaging in some more buildcraft and trying my hand at soloing

[spice cloud]

And honestly the monthly payment kinda put me off

[shadow hamlet]

Yeah the gameplay is awesome

I really really like the gameplay

[lost ravine]

and then a co-op playthrough, and then honor mode came in, then did that

[shadow hamlet]

Unfortunately the build I chose for my 2nd playthrough was so goddamn shitty and boring that I haven't played it since

[spice cloud]

BG 3 is best in Coop

No other game like it

[shadow hamlet]

Necromancer being mediocre was heartbreaking

[shadow hamlet]

Yeah which sucks

[lost ravine]

idk i just like martial/thief multiclasses

[shadow hamlet]

I want games I can play with my bros that have the same energy as BG3

[spice cloud]

U could play divinity 2 but ehhh

[lost ravine]

shadow monk most of all

[shadow hamlet]

And unfortunately my only option is to play DnD

[spice cloud]

Its not as good imo

[shadow hamlet]

I have the first one

But I haven't played it

[lost ravine]

divinity 2 has a stabby elf voiced by alix wilton regan so it's peak

[spice cloud]

First one doesnt have a good char creator

Imo

[shadow hamlet]

Well don't try to do necromancer

Cause they suck ass until you're like level 9

[lost ravine]

wasn't planning on it

only wizard i like is bladesinger

[shadow hamlet]

It's so boring it sucks

I got to level 6 and I can summon 1 skeleton with 13 HP

It's fucking bullshit

There's literally no point

[lost ravine]

yeah but you are also a wizard

[shadow hamlet]

Yeah but I want my main damage output to be summons

Since I'm a necromancer

But instead I'm just Gale but shitty

[spice cloud]

I think necromancer was ok

[shadow hamlet]

Necromancer just feels like a watered down wizard with 1 boney friend

[spice cloud]

On higher diffs the extra minions can come in very clutch

[shadow hamlet]

I'll pick it back up at some point

[gilded torrent]

is hivescum's neck broken for you guys too

[shadow hamlet]

I got most of the way through act 1 before dropping it

[shadow hamlet]

Never seen that

[gilded torrent]

my hive ganger's neck is like welded permanently to her spine so she's always facing the direction her torso is facing

and it looks super weird during emotes and the running animation

[spice cloud]

The bad thing about necromancer is that it takes so much time to build

[shadow hamlet]

MF got whiplash

[lost ravine]

to each their own i suppose

[shadow hamlet]

Yeah exactly

[lost ravine]

not a fan of summoners personally

[spice cloud]

I love summoning stuff

[shadow hamlet]

I even installed mods to make them better and they still weren't that fun

[spice cloud]

I also loved my warlock playthru

[shadow hamlet]

Just having 2 skeletons would be cool

But no

Fuck me

I get 1

[spice cloud]

Warlock was nice for summoning stuff

[shadow hamlet]

Literally everything is better at summoning than necromancer from what I could gather online

[spice cloud]

His summons are very usefull too

Depends

A mage can become very good at summoning too

[shadow hamlet]

The highlight of my playthrough thus far is just the fact I'm doing durge

So that's cool and adds something to the playthrough

[spice cloud]

I havent played durge yet

[shadow hamlet]

You should

It's dope

[spice cloud]

Yeah

[lost ravine]

recommend

i do think the best summons are elementals

(them be cool)

[shadow hamlet]

My favorite scene so far is when the narrator says something about how adorable a squirrel is before I punt it into a rock

Followed by astarion going "do you always take on such menacing foes"

[lost ravine]

it would be so squee if it were crawling up a tree

[shadow hamlet]

Had me cackling

Yeah

Also I like my butler

Despite the fact I'm trying to resist the urge

[silver mural]

Can anyone explain to me why ranged damage buffs from "in your face" buff needler dot damage but desperados "pick your targets" ranged damage buff does not?

I was under the impression all buffs labelled "ranged damage" meant the same thing bùt apparently not

[spice cloud]

Needler dot is not ranged damage afaik

[silver mural]

Then why does in your face work?

[spice cloud]

The dmg multiplier will only be applied to the 30 base g i think

[spice cloud]

No clue

I think because people complained it didnt

[silver mural]

I wish i could test quick and deadly in the psykanium

[spice cloud]

Like it also didnt proc pickpocket at the start

Or the voice of tertium thing

[silver mural]

It also can proc blackout regen but no other poison source can

[spice cloud]

And then they changed it

Yeah

[lost ravine]

that's close damage so it works

[silver mural]

So its the perk thats lying when it says ranged damage. It should say "close damage with ranged weapons" or smth

[lost ravine]

close damage is melee too

it's any damage done by you within 12.5m

[silver mural]

Then in your face is lying even more because it only states ranged damage

Eirher way its lying straight up

[lost ravine]

ok

[spice cloud]

Fatfish is very bad at talent descriptions

Or any descriptions in general

Or tutorials

Or explaining their game mechanics

[astral canyon]

In your face is only ranged indeed

At least iirc

Needler has special privileges

[lost ravine]

stupid weapon honestly

[spice cloud]

It would be ok if it didnt have its alternative fire for hordes.

Rn its just stupidly broken

[gilded torrent]

THIS is the all-penance cosmetic reward for hive scum 😭

66 penances for a singular leather strap and a bracelet

[astral canyon]

Ye

Male scum also gets to be shirtless

[spice cloud]

Its your own fault for choosing boobies

[main trellis]

You miss a crucial feature
You’re half naked

[gilded torrent]

why would i want to be naked

when i could be decked out in painted armor with colors and trinkets and pouches and whatnot

[astral canyon]

Comedic value

[spice cloud]

Tatoos

[main trellis]

The same reason as for ‚why would i want to wear scraps of armour on me?’

[astral canyon]

Also that

Shows off the ink better

[gilded torrent]

i think the armors compliment the ink more imo

[main trellis]

Also the bellybutton if you’re into that… you freak

[silver mural]

But it is very cool! Chemist in general seems super op reginald was able to beat out psykers in dps races with a tox heavy build which is very funny (but also i think reginald is like one of the best players playing so mileage will vary)

[main trellis]

[main trellis]

‚One of the best players’
Well… perhaps… depending on what you mean by that tbh

[gilded torrent]

i need more moebian parade-esque painted armors

they are very pretty

[main trellis]

Can do! After all; its a cosmetic choice - you can make some interresting setups

[astral canyon]

I mean he is a really good player thats out of the question i think

[silver mural]

I mean he has to be in the top 5 percent or maybe even 1 percent considering a majority of players i dont think are completing havoc 40s on the regular.

Kinda like league of legends where like 90 percent of players are in silver or below i guess

[spice cloud]

Its allready super good against carapace. It doesnt need to be good against just everything.

[astral canyon]

Didnt he win a few h40 duos? Anyone who can pull that off is def cracked at the game

[main trellis]

Ye in that one very true; many ppl really do not play havoc…

[gilded torrent]

auric is way harder than havoc

probably cus im on like 25+ i dnuno

i hate auric

[main trellis]

Why

[gilded torrent]

cus auric is hard and i dont like things when im not good at them

[main trellis]

Thats… not really constructive… ‚butter is fat’ is what i heard here

Duh

No crap; what are the reasons

[gilded torrent]

i tells it hows i sees it 🤷🏽‍♀️

[gilded torrent]

i dunno dawg

i kinda just find myself surviving havoc more than auric

i find it takes less to kill the goons in auric than in havoc

[main trellis]

Well; 25+ havoc should be harder than auric by default

So what i see here is

[gilded torrent]

i tells it hows i sees it 🤷🏽‍♀️

[main trellis]

team based issue

[zenith fern]

naked

thats the best reward

[main trellis]

Cause in auric you will have many way less experienced ppl

In havoc… its less of an issue but still prevelant

[gilded torrent]

most people in auric outperform me a lot, but i have kinda noticed they tend to do their own thing most of the time

[spice cloud]

Cause a lot of havov players would do good to play some aurics before they do havoc

[gilded torrent]

but i shouldnt be mad at that cus its public matchmaking so it doesnt rlly matter

[astral canyon]

Havov

[spice cloud]

Wtop shaming me

[astral canyon]

Wtop

[gilded torrent]

i havent played hive scum on auric OR havoc yet though..

i will have to see what thats like 👀

[main trellis]

Mr Havov Wtop @spice cloud

[spice cloud]

Escape from Havov

[silver mural]

My scum isnt even level 30 yet! Although i havent played in a few months

[gilded torrent]

not too FOND of blockfodder...

[silver mural]

In my tests this morning i also found out they moved some talents around! I think the two "tanky" talents (the one where you refresh toughness when shot snd the other where you get back lots when it break) are earlier in the tree now?

[upbeat gyro]

Havocs at rank 20+ start to require you to function as a team and not rush ahead with all the extra boss spawns on triggers, so that forces teams there by default to stick together and play together and function as a unit

Meanwhile in aurics, you can just run and screw around and people testing wild builds and all, also no pressure of deranking

So if aurics feel harder than havoc 20s (despite havoc20s being actually harder, auric is havoc17) then its team issue related to how those two different mission types are different

[upbeat gyro]

I think there should be actually requirement for this. Finish 10 auric maelstrom before havoc opens or something

Because honestly some of the folks in havocs would struggle even at malice if team wasnt babysitting em

[main trellis]

Yes they moved some around & it was good

[main trellis]

Funny; i test wild builds in H40s

But thats me

I ain’t too normal

[upbeat gyro]

Well, our testing is bit different

[main trellis]

[upbeat gyro]

Me testing builds is first time playing psyker in 2 years, not remembering where Quell button is

Doubt youd want that psyker in h40