hivescum-class

[marble seal]

old

I miss gloriana :(

front loading mission difficulty is good design for havoc

[muted pivot]

Some rangeds are good against Carapace and some melees or melee attacks are bad though too, you should always check the attack tables for your weapons on the inspect screen.

[mighty belfry]

Remember that you also get that attack speed bonus with the damage

Adds up nicely.

I'd say Chem dep is better if you wanna invest in some uses for toxin and have a better stimm to use

But obviously if you don't wanna do that, adrenaline works quite nicely given you'll have a bunch more points to invest in other things

[limber cradle]

Yeah I suppose

Hm

I also do not have to do the whole

Early game

Chem Dep counting

[mighty belfry]

sigh

I suppose it does also allow more justification for dipping into pickpocket

Since you won't be as pressed for talents

[limber cradle]

Yeah, that's my logic as well

Could take like the wind too

[mighty belfry]

Bro I don't even know if that's gonna do anything with how this game's been

[limber cradle]

Lmfao

Losing 15 percent crit chance seems bad tho ngl

[mighty belfry]

I'm legit putting in a post on the forums and I'm taking a break for a lil

Yesterday was kind of my breaking point

[mighty belfry]

Run riposte

Trust.

[limber cradle]

I do

So like

[mighty belfry]

15% crit isn't a terrible loss

[limber cradle]

If I drop bottom right side tree

[mighty belfry]

If you run that

[limber cradle]

I'd pick up

AF, stoked rage and unbound

Forges bellow probably

Like the wind? And pickpocket?

[mighty belfry]

I'd highly recommend channeled aggression if not running uncanny

[limber cradle]

But I use the .45s anyway

I'm not exactly shooting a lot

[mighty belfry]

If you are

Then skip it. But riposte + precog just feels better with the setup I was running

[limber cradle]

Yeah that makes sense tbh, you mainly heavy things that want to be rended anyway

You don't run smiter right?

[mighty belfry]

I actually was for that time

[limber cradle]

Smiter seems weird

[mighty belfry]

But I don't think it's needed if you run the 20s duration

[limber cradle]

Ig in havoc it's never just

You+boss

[mighty belfry]

I was trying both to see how it'd fare and while the uptime was better-ish

There's still those awkward cases where you get a boss with not enough fluff for smiter to pull weight

[limber cradle]

Hm

Assassin seems

Kinda bad

[mighty belfry]

Never run assassin

[limber cradle]

Yeah

[mighty belfry]

Terrible subnode

[limber cradle]

I probably just run stoked+unbound

[mighty belfry]

Yeah that's just fine.

[limber cradle]

Use the extra point on in your face just for more rocket damage lol

[mighty belfry]

Holy shit right

I hadn't even considered that buffing rockets lmao

[limber cradle]

Yeah, quick swap lets you pull it out faster too iirc

[cunning hawk]

Hows the bone saw? The damage over time from Needler is pretty fun/strong, curious if that carries over to the melee

[ancient hedge]

What're the perks of hivescum compared to arbites

[cunning hawk]

so far for me, feels like more damage but not nearly as sturdy so far, also you lose the dog for CC

[mighty belfry]

They're literal opposites in design

Arbitrator is safer but decently strong, with a very hard cap to how strong they can be. And not as mobile.

Hive scum on paper is not as sturdy. But their ceiling is astronomical compared to arbitrator

Only class that can consistently give psyker a run for their money in pure output

Also arguably the most mobile class in the game so scum not being as sturdy isn't as big of a deal in practice.

[ancient hedge]

The weapons look interesting but the aesthetics of being shirtless and wearing nothing but leather scraps is pretty rough

[limber cradle]

Alright I need some thoughts here, spend 2 points

I just do not like forges tbh

[limber cradle]

I like it tbh

[muted pivot]

Play scum if you wanna be a speed freak

It is such a rush

You feel like the king of the rats

[ancient hedge]

It'd be cool if the aesthetic went further and maybe gave us something substantial than f04 raider armor

[limber cradle]

I feel like a cyber gladiator tbh

[muted pivot]

There's also borderlands aesthetic

[mighty belfry]

Cleave talent is a decent choice here.

[limber cradle]

Both of em?

Ig

Tbh idk what else I'd take

Pickpocket

But I don't need it

The fuck is shivs base cleave anyway

[mighty belfry]

Not both

Just top one

[limber cradle]

Well

That leaves us with one point

Yk what that means

Sticky Hands

[cunning hawk]

100%, when I first played hive scum I was playing too much like arbites/ogryn and got downed a lot. getting much better at staying healthy when I play much more mobile

[river skiff]

Get that juicy cleave

[river skiff]

It doesn't have it

It's a strike weapon

It's cleave is pretty bad

These talents make it OP at horde clear due to its attack pattern tho

[bronze glade]

it's not that bad

it's like 4 or 4.5 on horde clear lights

that's higher than knife horde clear lights

[ancient basin]

the light attacks on the stabby shivs have a sweeping attack on every odd swing, so it would be sweep > poke > sweep > poke > repeat

but with even a smidgen of cleave and damage up you blender through hordes no problem

cleave shivs can spam heavies for slightly more cleave but its not really worth it to lose your anti armor flexability on the stabby shivs

[exotic temple]

Try the push attack on the mark 3 shivs for single target

[river skiff]

What does it do?

[bronze glade]

more single target damage

mk3 single target dps sucks tho

mk1 single target is much better

[river skiff]

Oh btw

I don't think you wanna be using block attack for hive scum

[river skiff]

It benefits from having a lot of attack speed from full stamina

[mighty belfry]

Scum recovers stamina so quickly that this barely matters

It's when you're constantly spamming it that you have to worry a smidge

[river skiff]

It's not that it matters to recover it my point is that you will gain more from tapping lights than doing this

[exotic temple]

It’s decent damage into crushers other hard targets. It’s not as good as mk 1 but its reasonable if you like the 3’s

[mighty belfry]

If you're not doing push attacks with some weapons

You're straight up just using them wrong

Like for example. Mk6 combat knife

You want to use them. And often too.

[river skiff]

I am not talking about utility I am talking about dps

[mighty belfry]

Yes.

Some push attacks are huge contributors to your dps

Or are better for different situations

Like mk7 tac axe's horde clear combo being push attack + heavy because of the arc of the swings

[river skiff]

Sometimes utility is what you need at that time but spamming it won't help you dish out more dps when you have 100% extra atk speed from full stamina

[mighty belfry]

It's not even remotely that significant though

The attack scales with how much base stamina you actually have

Example.

Baseline, shivs have 4 stamina. You get 2% attack speed for each blip of stamina which results to, 8% attack speed at the best of times

It's meaningful

But not meaningful enough to completely neglect an entire part of a weapon's moveset even if it does cost stamina to use it

Because with some weapons, you're actually losing out on a a lot by not using the push attack

Like mk6 combat knife again as an example

Because that push attack is one of the highest single target dps moves in the entire game

The slight (and barely consistent) loss of attack speed won't mean much there

[river skiff]

Good to know

[marble seal]

I like to special heavy

[mighty belfry]

Now if you wanna really bring that attack speed up

You can be a psycho (me) and run stamina curios

And with that. It's even less of a loss to do push attacks too

[river skiff]

That's what I plan to do

Still need the curios

[mighty belfry]

Ye that's good too. I mix em up

Also. To clarify

It's not even much of a loss even if you're at low Stam if you use Hive City Brawler

Since that talent linearly scales on how much stamina you have

And you should be using that talent

Because it's one of Scum's best talents for raw survivability.

[bronze glade]

hive city brawler is pretty dumb

[cunning hawk]

whats the dump stat for dual autopistols?

[bronze glade]

collat

[maiden pine]

is there a ranged build with IAG with crowbar melee? like when desperado goes to cooldown, I will use melee then

any ideas about this? https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0bdbc04-a1d4-4256-96a2-459f39a71d24/havoc-40-ranged-melee-build

[mighty belfry]

uh

that is

a build

Dare I say

One of the builds of All Time ™

[maiden pine]

looks so weird

[mighty belfry]

yeah uh

it's not good

[maiden pine]

think so lmao

want to try a hybrid build with hive scum

[mighty belfry]

Stimm Crate is your best bet

[maiden pine]

iw ant full build

stimm crate ya

should i go chem then

[zenith fern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053823148048527440/1475679954602819664/reddit_says_uncanny_poop.gif

The hell am i looking at

[verbal dew]

good builds aren't top heavy in terms of talents, you want to be able to go deep and wide in the lower branches

[unique spire]

Don't forget that one that gives you more crits if you kick a crusher in the balls

[zenith fern]

Fuck was this

Double sneak attack

[neat delta]

WHAT THE FUCK

STOP

CEASE

HALT.

https://tenor.com/view/cease-stop-no-halt-sign-gif-15645304

[manic wolf]

Some argument for being mid-heavy in Scum tree

[verbal dew]

well there's only 7 talents total there, with a minimum of 3

tho I'm not taking more than the minimum 3 or just one more for jittery

zealot or vet are prob the ones I spend the most in the middle

[maiden pine]

wanna try a crowbar build that doesn't suck. so far I only see stacking multiple stamina for attack speed boost

[verbal dew]

I mean you can bruteforce anything with rampage

but you could just use a better weapon instead

[muted pivot]

Shivs shrink the choice space a bit by being so versatile and strong into carapace

[austere coyote]

crowbar is a "wait for patches" weapon

it's too doggerel to brute force

[main trellis]

Depends; despy takes alot from the top

[main trellis]

Which is pepega thinking; rampage gives enough att spd + its normal spd is alright - its not like bonesaw

[sturdy linden]

Lately I've been falling off the Bonesaw hype train

I used to love it for box + tox support scum but then I tried mk6 knife

And now I'm like "why am I doing this to myself" every time I play Saw

Because mk6 needs literally nothing to kill shit

I can just light spam trash if I want, Uncanny or the tox kills them off, and I can PA spam anything even slightly dangerous and it dies real quick

[main trellis]

Try the explosive bolt pistol; its stupid on crate builds

I did a build on it; meme such as this should not be THAT good… in H40 too

[sturdy linden]

Why bolt pistol?

To blow up the box?

[vapid jungle]

Yah what makes bistol especially good on crate?

[manic wolf]

Stupid on Rampage builds too, on-demand stagger stick with not-awful damage

It amounts to 80 budget-Blackouts

[main trellis]

The main thing about it on crate is the fact that the AoE kills chaf very quickly & creates space - pair it with sample collector & you get your crate up faster than if you would go into melee
Not to mention; due to its effectiveness you can use actual buffs on your stimm instead of making it subpar just to get the crate back faster
I don’t even use chem demp on that build

[manic wolf]

Makes sense, i still don't particularly vibe with crate builds, but sounds useful

I just use it on Rampage because it gives you so much control with little investment, not like you're gonna be using your ranged weapon much anyway on a melee build and it deletes snipers easily enough

Don't use Chem Dep at all tbh

Its a hard sell vs Adrenaline

[main trellis]

Every crate build takes chem demp - i use vultures

[manic wolf]

Weirdo

[main trellis]

The best part is; it works

Very well too

Why would i ever wanna go into melee when i can just shoot

[manic wolf]

Im not gonna doubt it, i made a Desperado build with Adrenaline, thats pretty weird but also works well

[main trellis]

That is weird
Mine ain’t so much if you consider the fact that when you use crate you can be any archetype
With despy you’re suppose to shoot; if you use despy with adrenaline might aswell pick crate/rampage - it will be better

Dedicate yourself to melee

[manic wolf]

Makes sense, Crate is pretty flexible

Though thats why i did the hybrid build with Desp/Adren', can push ranged blobs with impunity and not be a slouch in melee when needed, is fune

[main trellis]

Very valid

[manic wolf]

Plus you know, Stim is basically a second ult if you stack it with damage nodes

[main trellis]

Att spd with stun immunity & str is best combo ever - so ridiculous

[manic wolf]

Hmm, will try, not sure i've used the stun immunity one yet

[main trellis]

And apply for the whole team if using crate

[main trellis]

Can send a build (need to make a guide but can send gameslantern screen) + vid cause its up

[bronze crown]

What would be the best way to get Fat Shark's attention for suggestions for HS cosmetics? I know they need to get GW approval but I have some ideas for Havoc rewards. Since they already have long coats, a modified Moebian 53rd Commissar long coat would be cool imo and for the head just the black Moebian rebreather or mask with no helmet so we can still use the hair, legs maybe the black combat fatigues with added patches and studs.

[main trellis]

https://youtu.be/WKktjTYLTd4

[main trellis]

And weapons & stimm (ignore the chainaxe if you want; its for bosses & ogryns up close - can use chainsword (if you wanna go into melee more)/whatever melee that will kill crushers/bulwarks/bosses effectively)

[unreal stirrup]

no

[brittle sierra]

We still waiting for Arbi cosmetics

[brittle sierra]

Based department hello?????

[main trellis]

Will they EVER happen…

[jaunty spire]

Why use melee when dakka

[bronze crown]

Necromunda has more ganger models than arbiters. 🤷‍♂️

[bronze crown]

Varkas Mk V Infantry Autogun > Autopistols, correct?

[sturdy linden]

Depends

[bronze crown]

Depends upon what?

[sturdy linden]

Upon how you play. Vraks IAG is better damage into basically everything but its mobility and reload speed are lower and you can't shoot while sprinting

Uzis are super mobile, good damage for anything not carapace

If you're not a pansy about melee like some desperado scums I've seen, uzis are absolutely fine, you just swap to melee for crushers

Or you rockit

When I play Desperado, i prefer Uzis for the mobility so I can run around shooting every special / gunner / trash shooter in the area and leave the crushers for my team, if I don't have rockets. Or I just engage them with shivs after I've cleared out the trash

[bronze crown]

Shivs are objectively the melee meta on Desperado? I have been running the IAG and rocketing Crushers. Just for the fun of it would a tactical axe be viable for that build?

[calm aurora]

rampage?

[livid raven]

Vraks is the most dps, but it suffers in almost everything else

[livid raven]

anything that works against carapace is fine

[calm aurora]

even dclaw

[livid raven]

you shouldn't be using your melee much

[sturdy linden]

Taxe / shivs / combat knife are all good options

Basically any weapon that doesn't need talent point investment to be good

And can deal with carapace

[bronze crown]

I only do if I run out of ammo for the IAG

[calm aurora]

when I read melee meta I assume rampage

[sturdy linden]

Sir. You're scum. You don't run out of ammo.

[livid raven]

he said melee meta for desperado

[calm aurora]

otherwise you want a side weapon

[livid raven]

it happens sometimes actually

against bosses for example

[sturdy linden]

Ok fair, that's one scenario

But other than that nah

[livid raven]

or when the funny vet is not using a peashooter and steals your kills

[bronze crown]

Ty eta al

[sturdy linden]

Wdym steals, people are supposed to kill shit

[livid raven]

yeah but when i do it with desperado, i'm the annoying one

[sturdy linden]

There's enough elites in the game for you to have Pickpocket keep your ammo up

[sturdy linden]

I think you should mute anyone complaining about "kill stealing"

I mean I get playing with a good desperado scum is annoying, but tbh I've been seeing fewer of those lately, most desperado scum I've seen last week or two have been god awful

[livid raven]

same tbh, i don't understand how

it's literally the easiest playstyle

[pulsar aspen]

Overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer

[sturdy linden]

I had a desperado scum yesterday trying to shotgun crushers

Not agri shell, one of the other ones

It was comical

[livid raven]

btw you should try the shredder

imo it's the most fun of the three

[bronze crown]

What would you think if FS gave us an update with dual shredders vs the autopistols?

[livid raven]

Autopistols are basically dual shredder

[sturdy linden]

Ya the damage is similar

I think uzis are a little higher

But shredder has quicker reload and much better stagger

And I think better crit strings?

[livid raven]

And is very accurate

Better finesse in general

[sturdy linden]

Hmm

[livid raven]

Much better firing sound

[sturdy linden]

TRUE

[livid raven]

My head hurts after 2 matches with dual autogun

[sturdy linden]

I should play some Desperado today

Been a hot minute

[mystic rain]

i have 4 points to spen but idk what to spend them on

[verbal dew]

3 to spend at least

[astral canyon]

right node of rampage and pathing towards sample collector

[astral canyon]

ye that

[mystic rain]

ooh very nice

more fent

how should i set up my stimm?

[verbal dew]

strength and a bit of attack speed prob

idk what weapon you're using tho

[mystic rain]

rashad

[verbal dew]

finesse node of strength then ig

[mystic rain]

is a 65 second cooldown ok with sample collecter?

[verbal dew]

ye

[mystic rain]

my meth setup

[calm aurora]

metha

https://tenor.com/view/travis-travis-band-neil-primrose-neil-primrose-gif-8730980049527973567

[mystic rain]

die

[unreal stirrup]

you can get away with 75s stim + blinder + sample collector

a single blinder can get you like over 20s cd

and its infinite

[mystic rain]

so do i replace rpg with blinders?

cause i use it for large clusters of crushers

[unreal stirrup]

I mean depend

rpg is fucking op

[mystic rain]

eh also needs pocket toxin

and idk if its worth it cause i dont particularly want anything else in my meth

[unreal stirrup]

I personally wouldn't run anything other than 30s cd on stim but 75s need it

[mystic rain]

i can work with 64 secs

god damn i held off an entire horde by myself

i mean, with rashad and needle pistol would i need rpg

[main trellis]

Get stun immunity in the att spd tree/reload (if you use despy)

[mystic rain]

nah im using rampage

[brittle sierra]

Dodge distance is extremely powerful

Actually turn into a freak of nature

[main trellis]

There will be moments where you won’t have rampage active - stimm will give ya that edge

[mystic rain]

well reload isnt useful for me being melee rampager

[main trellis]

So stun immunity one

As i said before

Its mini rampage especially when you gonna have it on cd

[mystic rain]

so use blinders instead of rpg to spam the shit outta chems?

eh yeah ima do that

[cunning hawk]

been trying out the bonesaw. is it the chem toxin for crowds, brittleness coating for big guys?

[lavish bronze]

toxin for both

brittelness coating is not worth it

[astral canyon]

only instance i use brittleness is when i have a needle pistol and fighting a captain with their shield out

[zenith fern]

brittleness is unfortunate not good

Only use for it might just be monsters but everything else no

[livid raven]

Toxin does genuinely fuck all against captains so might awell use brittleness

[zenith fern]

Why people mad about burster waves in the event when is simple as this

[zenith pagoda]

Because they come from both sides

[zenith fern]

Get into a corner shrimple

[mighty belfry]

I have a new dclaw setup 2 share

[leaden fable]

This seems to be oddly missing your teammates shooting those bursters the moment they're in push range

[stark vine]

Because burster's fall into a weird catagory of 'not a problem at all' or 'HOLY SHIT! HOLY SHIT! HOLY SHI-" depending on what is going on.

[zenith fern]

In matter of fact I AI gen that clip, there's never a legit clip that teammate's don't shoot bursters in front of you

[stark vine]

Even to experiened players, with that many it only takes them getting lucky (or you getting unlucky) for things to get real bad real fast.

[zenith fern]

Though many players don't know that any prop and wall can actually block the radius of the explosion

Even a small box

[stark vine]

You can still counter it though, when playing with good groups we always spread out. Close enough to help each other but far enough to not all get whacked by the same dude.

[muted pivot]

I like brittleness on the BoN

It does more damage per swing too

If you needle the boss up as it approaches you might as well use the purple for the team?

Does the brittleness only apply once per swing?

Or does H1 apply multiple times for instance

[limber cradle]

H40 experience is not getting hit at all then you explode out of nowhere ime

[mighty belfry]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a138d457-7538-455d-9d52-0a36de96c3a1/rending-claw

[muted pivot]

Since it's a latching attack

[mighty belfry]

This may be the Build I've had the most fun with on this class yet

Devil claw lowkey meta on scum

[limber cradle]

Nimble+Jittery supremacy

[mighty belfry]

I mean at this point why not

Since I'm not investing at all into bottom right

I actually have breathing room

[limber cradle]

Look it's the one thing I've consistently sworn by on scum since day 1

[mighty belfry]

Oh no don't get me wrong

It's an amazing talent

I just don't think it's necessary

[limber cradle]

It's true grit

It's not necessary

But God it's good

[mighty belfry]

True grit but in a completely opposite way lmao

[limber cradle]

More fun too

Yeah

[mighty belfry]

But yes

Beefed rending on d claw

[zenith fern]

nimble always been amazing

[mighty belfry]

When you can really invest heavy into it

[limber cradle]

It's amazing what having a stupid amount of inbuilt rending and cleave can do for you

[mighty belfry]

Holy cow it's good

This thing was already going through hordes like butter but it's actually so much better like this

Also I may be wrong

I think(?) the parry also takes CA's rending buff too

Or maybe because of all the damage stacking, I was just doing crazy damage on the parries

[zenith fern]

My stupid head still needs to try Dclaw scum

I used to forget how fun was using it back my time playing on vet and just parrying

[tranquil fjord]

im p sure every attack on a melee weapon but the lights are given the rending buff

i was using a heavy sword and it applied the buff to the special and push attack

[mighty belfry]

Favorite rampage weapon honestly

It's just so fun

And reliable

And especially for Havoc rn with rituals, it's really useful

If I know I'm running into a bugged ritual, I'll tell my team I'm falling back a bit and not to follow too close so I can take the aggro of the DH

Because I know I'll win

[soft hare]

Does anyone have an hive scum build for me to try? I just bought the class.

[river skiff]

Cleave both nodes

[river skiff]

What are you looking for?

[soft hare]

Idk something for havoc missions though

[river skiff]

I have a melee build if you wanna

[soft hare]

Weapons?

[river skiff]

Shivs MK1 - Carapace / weakspot dmg - Lacerate / Mercy killer

Shredder - Infested / flak - Pinning fire/ Blaze away

[river skiff]

.

[soft hare]

My bad thanks

[mystic rain]

counterpoint: brutal momentum

[river skiff]

All is good

[mighty belfry]

Hmm

Do you mind some input here?

[river skiff]

Go ahead

[limber cradle]

Yeah but with jittery? Immaculate movement.

[mighty belfry]

1. You want adrenaline unbound. Passive toughness regen is good on this class.
2. Slippery customer isn't that good. The most you'll notice out of it is that you can safely carry batteries for objectives and medicae stations.
3. The most you're getting out of Cheap shots is some extra damage for your Autopistol but it's barely enough to be worth using because shivs just won't stagger much and you don't have Forge's Bellow to force stagger.
4. You don't need both cleave nodes in bottom. Just one is fine, especially since the one on the bottom isn't as consistently procced.

[mighty belfry]

Oops, meant to reply but

Ya

[limber cradle]

Does slippery description still straight up lie

[mighty belfry]

Pretty much

It'll help against sparse poxwalkers getting cheap shots on you but that's rarely ever a problem with how high your mobility is

And it does legit nothing for overheads

The thing you'd most likely want it for

[limber cradle]

I don't slide personally

Unless I'm doing it on the run up for movement

Or I'm carrying obj

[mighty belfry]

Also lacerate on shivs is uh

Yeah that's just not a great choice.

Because rampage does literally nothing for bleed damage

[limber cradle]

Btw I think rending from rampage and in adrenaline takes about a swing off shivs to kill crushers for me in practice

[astral canyon]

doesnt lacerate also require non-weakspot hits

[mighty belfry]

It'll help with mercy killer but mercy killer isn't even enough damage to be worth chalking shivs with a bleed blessing like that

[astral canyon]

or is that the other bleed blessing

[mighty belfry]

Especially with that exact point

You won't get bleed on weakspot hits

So you have to deliberately hit them anywhere but the head and then hit their head

[astral canyon]

yeah not going for weakspot hits on shivs is kneecapping your dps like crazy

[mighty belfry]

Which is really, really awkward.

[river skiff]

1. I had adrenaline unbound at some point but then I ditched it for some damage ig I can switch the node from consistent dmg output to toughness if surivability becomes a problem

2. I have a mod for slippery customer so it is very good - I can dash / slide to the side and with sliding I am covering more of the distance safely

3. Yeah I picked it cuz of my shredder as it is 15% dmg to it while shivs get 10% for the chaff mhm maybe I will ditch it for adrenaline unbound in high havoc at some point

4. I have not tested if I need both nodes but is not extra cleave worth it? Shivs have very good attack patterns that basically slide across the whole screen cleave sounds good for it

[astral canyon]

those things have insane finesse modifiers you want to hit the head

[mighty belfry]

Flesh tearer is better but it's not even good enough to be worth using honestly

[astral canyon]

or the glowing ball in the back for burgles

[mighty belfry]

Shiv base cleave is already decent for what they are

And you have 50% more from rampage and your stimm also has strength which also increases cleave.

[astral canyon]

and rampage also has strength which also gives cleave

[river skiff]

Interesting

Okay I will get more toughness regen then

[mighty belfry]

Personally

I'd go riposte + precog on that setup

[river skiff]

Riposte cannot stack beyond 20%

Is not it somewhat a waste?

[astral canyon]

20% crit is really good

[river skiff]

If I am not mistaken his crit talent can scale all the way to 100% if you keep dodging

[astral canyon]

specially for a gigafinesse weapon like shivs

[astral canyon]

float like a butterfly doenst stack

[limber cradle]

I wish .45s crit scaling wasn't gimped

[river skiff]

Wait what? I thought it did

[astral canyon]

and also is only 3 seconds duration

[astral canyon]

thought wrong

[river skiff]

Okay

[limber cradle]

Who told you that

[river skiff]

Think I heard it from mr. e

[limber cradle]

Well

That explains it lol

That guys an idiot

[river skiff]

LOL

[astral canyon]

yeah dont trust mr E

or most darktide youtubers

[river skiff]

Who is better then?

[astral canyon]

AND SPECIALLY DONT TRUST TANNER

[limber cradle]

No one puts out like

[mighty belfry]

Jesus christ

[limber cradle]

Good darktide content on the big scale

[mighty belfry]

Me

[limber cradle]

Some people around here do neat challenge runs

But otherwise a lot of info is best gained here tbh

[river skiff]

Gotcha

I will swap the weapon perks then

Ty for letting me know

[limber cradle]

One less ill educated person in my havoc lobbies later

[river skiff]

Ngl I really wanted finese dmg but I had no way to proc weakspot dmg from bleed stacks and thought crit was already a wasted node LOL

[limber cradle]

God I saw a scum in havoc 30 last night with 2 extra wounds asking "why don't my wounds work like they normally do"

[river skiff]

LMAOO

Because everything in havoc tries to fuck you up

AHAHAHA

[limber cradle]

Well cause things in havoc do corruption

As apart of their damage

[river skiff]

Yeah

I know

So annoying

[limber cradle]

Good

[river skiff]

90% dmg scaling for headshots

Nice

[lost ravine]

i just go uncanny riposte

helps with the random armored heads in hordes

turn brain off

lightspam

win

[river skiff]

@mighty belfry What about zealot

I am currently running uncanny with duelling but I am a crit build

Should I switch it to precognition if it is less likely to trigger than for scum?

My ranged is boltgun

So it has some benefit from rending from switching

But not great since it already is pretty decent to armor

A lot of times I am sitting at 10% crit rate

[mystic rain]

whats the best blessings for needle pistol?

[mighty belfry]

On a blazing piety build?

[fallen arrow]

The one that allows you to avoid fire while sprinting with above 50% Stamina is pretty good, and the other could be something like ghost or gloryhunter

[river skiff]

Yeah

[mighty belfry]

You should be having more than 10% generally

[river skiff]

Well everything is dying before I have a chance to stack up crit rate on bleeds lol

😭

My avg crit rate is like 35% per match but as I say sometimes I am stuck at 10%

Using boltgun so shooting something and not deleting it in 2 shots is somewhat difficult

LMAO

[mighty belfry]

Dueling sword moment

I mean

I vehemently refuse to use dueling sword on zealot

Really I think that's just up to preference

Wait, what ability?

[river skiff]

Shroud

[river skiff]

I like it

[mighty belfry]

Hmm

[river skiff]

[mighty belfry]

Precog might be a good idea tbh

Tbf tho, piety with shroudfield is a weird choice

It synergizes better with the other two keystones

[river skiff]

I like it more for the build I am running

[mighty belfry]

I'd try precog

[river skiff]

Eh I will probably quick level shotty and use it instead

[mighty belfry]

See how it fares

[mystic rain]

is ammo the dumpstat on needle gun cause i still have 81 shots

on a gun that a barely use

[river skiff]

Basically everything is

[mighty belfry]

Nah not mobility

[river skiff]

Maybe except for stopping power and mobility

[mighty belfry]

It's the one stat that makes a quantifiable difference

Nah even stopping power is pointless

[mystic rain]

alr cool i got my fent gun

[river skiff]

It could be dunno

[mighty belfry]

Ammo, I wouldn't say if you're running pickpocket

But if it works for you

Why not

[river skiff]

My rationale is that sometimes darts may not go through armor with lower stopping power - the way zealot throwing thingy does

[mighty belfry]

Base cleave on needle is not very good to begin with. That little inch of stopping power isn't really doing anything

That being said

It's less of a dump than damage is for that reason

Damage truly is like

The ideal dump stat

Because it does practically nothing at all

[river skiff]

I meant towards the actual target that you are firing at dunno if some shots does not count at lower stopping power I used dmg as dump stat on mine

[mystic rain]

melee so no pickpocket

[mighty belfry]

I would argue it'd be better to have damage as a dump stat

But again

If it works for you, it works.

[mighty belfry]

I have never seen this

In auric

Let alone h30

Good lord.

[river skiff]

Did some math

It in fact is a better idea

[limber cradle]

You don't understand the kind of people I attract in havoc mm

[river skiff]

@mighty belfry What is the difference between the shotguns?

I mean combat versions

Except for dmg

[mighty belfry]

Agri is a sniper like. Tight spread and the special is a slug that can open up bulwarks

Zarona is more traditional. Wider spread, special is a wide horizontal shot. And for some reason

[mystic rain]

is brutal momentums description wrong cause even when im headtaking it just stops

[mighty belfry]

It has a weird niche with unyielding enemies where hitting them at all somehow gives you more pellets on hit than on any other kind of enemy

So it's actually a good boss killer.

Kantreal is widest, slowest firing. Arguably the worst tbh. Has an incendiary shot that... isn't very good for a special

But it does have a ton of suppression as opposed to the others so there's some utility there

[mighty belfry]

Also I had a feeling since Duelist gives you 50% finesse

So your dodges net like

110% finesse damage since I'm pretty sure they're additive

[river skiff]

They are but it just means you can not count with them at all since both builds have access to it

In my calculations if my crit uptime is higher than approx 19% it does more dmg

And since I am sitting at 35% in most circumstances it fits the bill

[mighty belfry]

Yeah because finesse damage is crit + weakspot damage

Don't even need to crit when weakspot hits alone do a lot

And when you do crit and have both of those things procced, that's both 110% crit and 110% weakspot added together.

So your crits just explode

[river skiff]

I unfortunately have to go for zarona due to special shot

[river skiff]

It has very large spread

I need it for crit proc

[river skiff]

Or do you think agri can hit 5 fodder minions in a swarm?

I would rather go for agri personally as sniper slug is a very good utility

[limber cradle]

Just had a psyker player rage quit out of havoc during a clutch 🙂

I am magnetically attracted to the worst lobbies

On God

[mystic rain]

is brutal momentum bugged cause my comaxe does just stop when swinging into large crowds

[bronze glade]

You sure you hit the one shot breakpoint for the horde enemies?

[mystic rain]

yuh

[bronze glade]

Well then you either hit carapace

Or you didn’t meet the conditions for one shot breakpoint on something in the horde

[river skiff]

@mighty belfry One more question does pellets in this game not count as individual projectiles with crit chance?

[bronze glade]

Pellets don’t roll for crit individually

[river skiff]

Welp

That is a lil unfortunate for me

[mystic rain]

i mean, 266 damage lights. not including weakpoint multipliers

[bronze glade]

Scab bruisers have something like 850 hp

[mystic rain]

ah

[bronze glade]

So doublecheck your breakpoints in the psyk

And don’t rely on stat card

Because it lies

[river skiff]

What about stability

Is lower meaning higher spread before firing?

[mystic rain]

dammit it is scab brusiers

ok idk what to do about that

[bronze glade]

It results in more spread generally yeah

[river skiff]

That is literally an advantage then

[bronze glade]

Make sure you’re running a properly dumped axe with unarmored and head taker

And your build has melee investment

[bronze glade]

Eh depends on the gun.

[mystic rain]

i do

and dumped properly

moblility does nothing

[bronze glade]

Post tree and axe ig

[river skiff]

Combat shotgun I wanna run the blessing that gives you crit chance on the next hit for every enemy I hit before more spread means higher chance I hit something

[mystic rain]

ok the issue was no headtaker stats

doesnt explain why it happens on poxwalker hordes but ok

[low harbor]

usually, no

[river skiff]

Well I do not care whether that shot counts or not

I just need it to proc bleeding for my crit zealot build

[low harbor]

usually u'd want better stability to make sure all pellets are grouped tight for best 1-shot kill consistency possible on specialists

[river skiff]

I can always throw a dart if I need something dead

[mystic rain]

and gets blocked by huge amounts of horde enemies, which shouldnt happen

[bronze glade]

Weird. If you have headtaker and adren up shouldn’t be an issue

Do you now what enemy blocked you?

[mystic rain]

no cause its constant

like no matter the horde i will be stopped

[bronze glade]

Maybe it’s working correctly and the hordes are just super thick

[mystic rain]

they are quite THICK

[bronze glade]

Record a clip next time it happens ig

[mystic rain]

i am killing like 10-15 guys per swing its just personaly annoying

how many chem stacks does 1 needlegun shot apply

cause im wondering if chem blackouts are an option against crushers

OMG ITS THE DIAGONAL STRIKES

[winter tusk]

yeah crowbar is more of a combo weapon, spamming lights is mostly single target from what I can remember

[mighty belfry]

Nah that shouldn't really do much because if you hit and kill the first enemy with a headshot, that should mean anything else in the swing would be getting hit

That being said

BM is capped

[mystic rain]

ah

[mighty belfry]

The effect always ends after the fourth enemy hit.

[mystic rain]

thatll be it

[mighty belfry]

That's probably what you're experiencing.

Which

Ya

There's a reason it was nerfed that way

[mystic rain]

still super good

the sound of comaxe chewing through a horde is glorius

[foggy vapor]

What's the dumpstat for shivs?

[bronze glade]

mob

[foggy vapor]

Thx

[cunning hawk]

Do yall save the stim for anything in particular or just let it rip on cooldown? I have the bottom right stuff that stacks buffs and feel like I don't use it enough saving it for dangerous situations

[mighty belfry]

You're kinda forced to use it with Chem dep tbh

But otherwise if I'm not using that, I use the stimm as a make up for my ability downtime

[river skiff]

Same here

Or if I see too much BS ahead of me then I activate it alongside ability and hope for the best

[cunning hawk]

when you say forced to use it, you mean just pop it on cooldown?

[bronze glade]

you need it to maintain dependency stacks

[river skiff]

Yeah

People usually run the most perks they can to fit inside 1 min and then instantly pop it when they can

[flat mist]

If you're happy to be at -1 max stack you can hold it for a fair while. Im always gonna pop it if ult drops and im not at max tho so its a moot point like 2/3 of the time with rampage

But might aswell just pop it like you said, assuming you're in combat

[low harbor]

Did u send that report on FS forums yet

[mighty belfry]

just did

[verbal dew]

oh no, are you forcing me to think with heavies now?

[mighty belfry]

yes

also parries are affected by CA

[verbal dew]

what's the heavy combo/use case

[sturdy linden]

Idk why but I'm enjoying mk6 knife a lot more than shivs nowadays

At least for non rampage

[mighty belfry]

swipe to get a bunch of horde clear for overkill

strikedown to do big damage to big target

[verbal dew]

gotcha, I'll try it out

[grizzled nymph]

is it true that damage is the dump stat for needle pistol cuz that only counts the dmg from the needle hitting the target and not the chem damage over time?

[verbal dew]

yes

same with flamer

[zenith fern]

Yes

Only the direct hit from projectile

[near marlin]

Id like the bone saw way more if it was designed for anything higher than malice difficulty

[patent bone]

Hey nerds, I need a good havoc build. Any suggestions? So far I got max shivs, dual stubbies, and dual autos

[upbeat pendant]

you can do a desp dual auto build, its simple to use and effective, only problem is crushers

[manic wolf]

Give up on being a Bonesaw stan then eh?

[patent bone]

Bazooka time?

[upbeat pendant]

Yeah thats the only time you'll use bazooka is when a crusher wave comes or if your teammate gets eaten

But even then you cant use it on every crusher wave

oh and use 3x health curios, they give you so much more survivability than anything else

[zenith fern]

"that's what the melee is. I think you are scum, alright"

[upbeat pendant]

i just shoot the other things during crusher waves unless they are right in front of me

[spice cloud]

What?!?

[mighty belfry]

it's not a meme

full hp curio is not bad on this class at all

[spice cloud]

How is that not a meme?

[mighty belfry]

because a lot of the things that are dangerous to scum don't give a shit about your toughness

[spice cloud]

So?

[muted pivot]

Read it again

[mighty belfry]

seriously

[spice cloud]

But then u have even less tghnss and still take health dmg?

[mighty belfry]

If you get hit.

[spice cloud]

Yeah i mean

If tge whole premise is not get hit

Id rather have tghnss

[mighty belfry]

Thing is, scum is a unique case where getting hit with gunfire isn't gonna be an immediate game over because of two nodes acting as barriers for them.

Yeah it may be a little less forgiving to have less toughness.

[spice cloud]

A little?

[muted pivot]

I'm so much more afraid of poxbursters and being pinned than anything else

[spice cloud]

Well im not

[mighty belfry]

Yes. A little.

you have the class with the craziest mobility in the game

[viral gate]

Hello I got a question, why do ppl use hyper violence with hyper critical together, aren't they anti synergistic?

[mighty belfry]

A talent that gives you toughness on getting shot

[muted pivot]

Also despy makes you literally immune to being shot

[spice cloud]

Exactly so id rather invest in more tghnss

[mighty belfry]

And a talent that when you hit 0, you go up to 50% toughness

[spice cloud]

I dont see how health works with any of those abilitys

[muted pivot]

They synergise in some respects, actually. Having both means that very few swings will be expected to not instantly kill

[mighty belfry]

Health doesn't.

[muted pivot]

Health more covers for what your talents can't help with

[spice cloud]

So whats the point here?

[mighty belfry]

Poxbursters, snipers, anything that bypasses toughness

[spice cloud]

That health gets shredded in seconds anyway

Once ur tghnss is gone

And doesnt regen

[muted pivot]

Considerably more seconds with health curios

It does regen based on finding medic charges

[spice cloud]

Thats not consistent at all

[muted pivot]

Neither is going from full to down in a single net

[mighty belfry]

So we're really just gonna ignore the fact that poxbursters are like

[muted pivot]

Health curios make that less likely

[spice cloud]

Yes it is

[mighty belfry]

a big issue right now

[spice cloud]

I honestly doubt it

[manic wolf]

I mean, surely having more of the resource you don't get back is more valuable than the resource you get back constantly..

[mighty belfry]

And having extra health

[spice cloud]

Of course

Makes perfect sense

[viral gate]

yeah but lets say u got a wave of armored specials with trash isnt it better to have just violence?

[mighty belfry]

To offset that inevitable health loss

[muted pivot]

On most classes you would rather have the toughness

[mighty belfry]

is actually a pretty gosh good idea

[manic wolf]

Eh, yesnt

Psyker is either way, Ogryn can happily do a full HP stack and so can Zealot

[muted pivot]

Hive Scum and Psyker are both vulnerable to being killed in a snap

[mighty belfry]

Alright, I'm crazy for this but I run 2 health 1 stam on vet lol

[spice cloud]

I get fatmangus because it actually works with zealot talents but this makes no sense to me sorry

[muted pivot]

Vet should always take toughness

You stretch it out so far

[spice cloud]

U could literally di the same arguments for every class

[mighty belfry]

Yeah. And it's not invalid to have at least one health on those classes either.

[spice cloud]

One

[muted pivot]

I should say that I tend to go toughness/stamina myself, I'm just saying I see the argument for health making a bigger difference for scum though

[spice cloud]

But not 3

[manic wolf]

As i said before, better to stack the resource you don't get back when you have good talents keeping your toughness up, because you get that back all the time, you dont get HP back all the time

[muted pivot]

1 is probably better though, yeah

[spice cloud]

Thats what im saying too

[muted pivot]

Since curios are additive anyway and the first curio to add in each category is the largest relative impact

Rainbow curios makes sense too

Stamina + tough + health

[mighty belfry]

But how do you not see the value in having more of the resource that isn't as helped?

Also.

Something to note.

I usually play havoc

[spice cloud]

I dont see the value of 3 health curioa

[mighty belfry]

Toughness returns on curios is complete ass.

[manic wolf]

This is a worse case of mixed signals than my ex used to give

[spice cloud]

It offers nothing to you

[mighty belfry]

Tanking a mauler overhead?

[spice cloud]

One is enough

[manic wolf]

3 of any curio is weird unless stam, hot take i know

[spice cloud]

More then one is overkill and useless

[mighty belfry]

Able to take about five poxbursters before I go?

[manic wolf]

Except Zealot

[spice cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/piccolo-dbz-atfuraxx-gif-14120574

[spice cloud]

Dont do that?

[mighty belfry]

Maulers are lowkey some of the most dangerous enemies in havoc

[manic wolf]

Because the Mauler had its silk slippers on and didn't announce his presence before cleaving you intwain

[spice cloud]

Crushers ok

[muted pivot]

By the same logic, don't take curios at all because you can just dodge everything

[spice cloud]

But maulera no

[muted pivot]

Easy game

[spice cloud]

No

[mighty belfry]

Because they're very mobile and you'll get overheaded around corners before you even know the mauler was overheading

[muted pivot]

Why take any defensive stats at all am I right

Since we are all perfect players

Who never get hit by anything ever

[verbal dew]

healthmaxxing in havoc is boss

[muted pivot]

Every single one of us

[spice cloud]

Now its just getting silly

[muted pivot]

I agree.

[mighty belfry]

Actually, Ainz has been doing solo h40 runs and maulers has been the enemy they're killed by the most

[manic wolf]

Just play Desperado and VD and ignore everything that inst AoE

Duh

[verbal dew]

80 toughness in havoc is not even that much of a detriment with the insane toughness regen and replenishment you have available to you

[manic wolf]

Turn your brain off people

[mighty belfry]

And I get it. Those bastards are way more dangerous than you realize with the extra horde density.

[verbal dew]

200 health tho

that's a life saver

[mighty belfry]

No.

[manic wolf]

Based ADHD haver

[verbal dew]

look at me casually tanking a sniper shot

no sniper resists either, only gunner

[upbeat pendant]

i survive way longer just by having the 3 health curios, no more getting one shot by careless mistakes

[upbeat pendant]

and since im running desp, that with dodging and base toughness is enough against everything else. the 3x health is just a safety net against crushers and bursters

[eager topaz]

Ran event map last night with 2 bazooka scum and had 2 ammo crates layed out at the end. Scab Captain never stood a chance.

[verbal dew]

yeah no I don't like this rending build lol @mighty belfry

[sturdy linden]

The rose tinted glasses cracked

[manic wolf]

One of lifes curses in real time eh, its alright, happens to us all at times

[main trellis]

Better to be better at the game & not stack hp - the moment you stack hp is the moment you bank on taking chip dmg and as a good player you avoid that at all costs
Only meaningful thing is 1hp curio for burster 1 shot prevention in h40; anything above is meme/learning territory

[river skiff]

Why maulers?

[main trellis]

I believe cause they blend in better within a horde

Crusher you can see

Mauler… can be missed

[manic wolf]

If you could play 100% perfectly all the time, then sure, but the reality is, even the best players make mistakes and the game can pretty easily f*ck you if it decides to

[river skiff]

Oh they don't for me I have outlines on

[main trellis]

Even then; 1hp curio is enough everytime

[main trellis]

Mod?

[river skiff]

Yeah

[manic wolf]

Sure, but the point remains, its generally better to buff the limited resources than it is the functionally unlimited one

[river skiff]

And also I have circles on the ground so I know when these silent fuckers are behind me

[river skiff]

What about for zealot? I see many people talking about fatmangus as of top tier build?

[main trellis]

It was designed to be a meme build/learning build cause you can survive longer (even the creator stated it it a meme)
It got hyped by more influential ppl like Regi - thats how it got popular
Calling it ‚top tier’ is… an exageration to put it shortly - ANY zealot build can be fatmagnus build; its all due to some talents being picked that interract with eachbother & hp maxing

[manic wolf]

Zealot is just giga-tanky

Even with the bare minimum, he's still harder to drop than anyone else except maybe Exe' Vet having periods of near-total invul and Desp' Scum because Desp' Scum

Zealot is by design tho, the other two examples seem like they werent thought through properly before making it into live

[mystic rain]

how many chem stacks does it take to kill a crusher

[river skiff]

Yeah I know it started as meme build but people seem to like it probably due to 60% DMG reduction after taking a hit

[river skiff]

It's cooldown is short enough so decent players get some space in between

[manic wolf]

I think good players like it because it lets them do absurdly silly things, which is fun every once in a while

I know Goblin enjoys it for sure

[main trellis]

Its more than that 1 talent tbh
Ppl like it cause it allows them to have way too many windows for error due to insane DR stacking
However outside of that… it does nothing extra - its a ‚training dummy’ build and always will be; and thats good

[main holly]

3-4 iirc

[manic wolf]

Nice PfP

[main holly]

ty

[main trellis]

4s overall yes but… the moment someone gets hit into HP you lose that DR for 8s gor yourself; the design of the talent is dogshit & even in that build its prone to fail

[river skiff]

Isn't having many windows for error good?

[river skiff]

Oh interesting I thought everyone could proc it for themselves

[limber cradle]

Willy swears by True Grit but refuses to accept Fatmangus is good ime

So

[main trellis]

It is… if you’re learning
Unless you wanna be a todler your whole life
It should be called ‚Peter Pan’ build cause if you don’t learn you never mature & never trully get good/better than you already are

[limber cradle]

Take it with a pinch of salt

[main trellis]

If that would be the case it would be insanely good & every zel build would take it

[mystic rain]

ok thats kinda wrong i threw a pocket toxin blackout (3 stacks) no kill

[main holly]

oh i assumed needle pistol ^^'

[main trellis]

Cause TG is 1 talent while fatmagnus is a whole build
We talked about this

[limber cradle]

Yeah, we did

And FMG still does damage

Cause relic blade is dumb

[main trellis]

You mean good

[limber cradle]

Good in a dumb way, yes

[mystic rain]

i was wondering if the combo was good for groups of crushers

[limber cradle]

I think it's defo past 3 stacks to kill a crusher but I'm not paying that much attention to it in high havoc

[river skiff]

The way I understand toughness interactions they are percentage based - chip damage at slightly dropped toughness won't be much and I am running a build that lets me dodge like hive scum so I can instantly top it up if that happens oh btw I am currently running toughness curios but I am thinking of fatmangus

[main trellis]

And thats the point - toughness is king; hp interractions are cool & refreshing but in the grand scheme of things & how this game works your toughness is what regenerates to full - your HP does not
When someone else gets fked and you reach med station and there is but 1 charge what do you do as a damaged fatmagnus? You doom your teammate or allow yourself to tank more dmg which in the end should be avoided?
Thats the issue; due to ‚until death’ talent zel can choose not to take the charge & still be fine (even with a wound); every other class cannot cause they will die (even arby with TG if at 50 or below hp)

[limber cradle]

Ime depending on what you get hit by TG arby can get nuked anyway

Sometimes groaners are sneaky fuckers

[river skiff]

I have another question

[main trellis]

Yeah; poxers do more corruption than groaners but are slower
TG is fir obvious enemies that do way more than 50hp

[limber cradle]

Ik, it's why I don't like it so much tbh

[river skiff]

How do you know how many "charges" a station has??

I always found it confusing that they closed for no reason lol

[main trellis]

You look at the station?
You see 4 bulbs; they either flash light blue or red
Blue indicates charge
Red indicates no charge
Simple

[limber cradle]

Batteries always give 4 tho fwiw

If you have to throw a fresh one in

[river skiff]

Oh interesting

I'll try to notice next time

[main trellis]

Ye but are soo rare its usually 1 - 2 charges in endgame

Unless event ones

Seeing 3 is a miracle already; a battery is as rare as finding a shiny legendary pokemon

[limber cradle]

I had 4 batteries in a row in havoc on a carnival 30 last night, felt like a blessing

[main trellis]

I can count on my fingers how many times i had a battery in H40; thats how rare they are

[limber cradle]

Rng is rng

[river skiff]

Well I don't think people think of it as allowing themselves to take more damage nobody wanna take damage but if they do having more windows of error is nice since getting downed is often run ending

[main trellis]

Thats the point; it changes their mindset

HP maxing does that to ya on any class

[manic wolf]

Vaccum capsule?

[river skiff]

So as long as I keep playing the same way I am good?

[limber cradle]

Although that same mission mid event bugged and there were no doors to open lol(we could walk to elevator), but it still progressed like normal after killing I think 6 bosses

Funky mission

Game works perfectly ty FS

[main trellis]

Yes & you don’t need silly memes to make it better

[manic wolf]

I mean, for people with no fundamentals, maybe, but if you already know how to play, probably not gonna play any different with HP curios

[main trellis]

Of you mean the omens map?

[limber cradle]

Dark communion

End event where you stop the ritual

[main trellis]

Ye; if a boss spawns mid event it can auto open the door

[manic wolf]

Same deal in souls games, you can run summat people consider crutchy, but if you're a good player already, you'll probs be able to kill your opponent with a spoon so it makes no odds

[limber cradle]

Neat

[main trellis]

So you can roam free

Outside

[soft hare]

What curios do you use with that melee hive scum build you gave me only level 11

[limber cradle]

And then event boss triggers elevator

I still don't think that's intended lol

[river skiff]

Toughness all of them

[main trellis]

And when the guaranteed boss should come through opening the door it just spawn there in the middle & it looks silly

[hallow raft]

https://tenor.com/view/we-are-rich-rich-deep-rock-galactic-compressed-gold-gif-24791651

Never.

[soft hare]

Alright, u play on console or pc?

[river skiff]

Pc

[tranquil fjord]

using rampage just makes me think that every weapon that is useless against armor should just get a rending boost

[river skiff]

They should

Honestly

They made crushers even more stupid than before

And some weapons were already trash into them before

[tranquil fjord]

whats the point of being shit against 40 to 50% of the total enemies

[limber cradle]

Yeah lol, never seen that before tbh

[tranquil fjord]

for what, "horde clear"

[main trellis]

Even twins can soawn there & open the door for ya in havoc

[limber cradle]

My favorite is when twins spawn early and start climbing into the spawnzone on that one mech map.

[river skiff]

Twins are okay to deal with if you know the strat for rinda

[river skiff]

Which is run or parry if you have her agro at you

😂

[river skiff]

Depending on the weapon

[main holly]

which combo exactly? i know with needle pistol on yellow its 3-4 shots blue take 2-3 more iirc

i rarely play toxin ^^'

[mystic rain]

blackouts plus pocket toxin

adds some chem toxin to my blackouts

[spice cloud]

I feel the exact oposite honestly

[main trellis]

Which is simple
Focus her

[main holly]

ah the grenades, well i guess you'd need 2-3 of those for a crusher kill

better try it in the meat grinder

[mystic rain]

not horrible

cause it regens

[river skiff]

Yeah one needs to run or parry and the rest should beat her to the ground

[main holly]

still rpg is quicker ^^

[mystic rain]

true

[main trellis]

No
You do not run so that your team have to follow you; thats bad
You keep the boss close if you wanna beat it down

[main holly]

block, dodge, clock, dodge ^^

not running away

however if your team dumbfocuses rodin ... welllp

u are karked

big time

[river skiff]

Well you can run in circles if the arena allows you 100% chance she cannot hit you no matter what she does

[main trellis]

Thats on them

[main trellis]

Do you talk about Rinda boss or Havoc Twins?

[river skiff]

Rinda

[main trellis]

Yeah figures

[river skiff]

I thought you meant that

[main trellis]

We talk about twins here

[main trellis]

No

[river skiff]

Isn't it spawning the same 2 bosses

[manic wolf]

Or if you're playing funny parry weapons skip the blocking parts

[river skiff]

What's the difference

[main trellis]

Yes but the terrain & circumstances & mechanics are different

[main holly]

true btu i am to bad at perfect parry for that xD

and if i cna do it with a boss i am usually so excited i die in the next secodn cuz way to happy xD

[river skiff]

How are mechanics different

[main trellis]

Parrying is giga ez dude…

[river skiff]

That's what I do

[main trellis]

Shields are not linked like in a boss fight

[main holly]

maybe, i still manage to nto be good at it ^^'

[manic wolf]

Christ imagine if they were

An actually threatening bossfight mid-mission

[main holly]

horde are behaving different, special spawns too

[main trellis]

Practice; can also teach you tonight; show you in vc

[manic wolf]

Triple spawn eat your heart out

[river skiff]

Then it makes it easier doesn't it?

[main holly]

is the parry window at the beginnign of the animation or when it is in front of you?

[manic wolf]

Its the whole animation

[river skiff]

Just keep tapping parry button over and over again of you have swarm if ragers on top of you

[main holly]

you are shitting me?

[manic wolf]

On Psyker you can literally stand in amongst 100 ragers and kill them all

[main trellis]

I’ll tell & show you everything tonight if you wish

[main holly]

i was fumbling with trying to time it perfectly that i was to late with it most of the time ...

[river skiff]

Win

[manic wolf]

No, literally you just press the button 😄

[main trellis]

Nope; its that ez

[manic wolf]

Its not Darksouls 😄

[river skiff]

You don't need to

[main holly]

https://giphy.com/gifs/Ra1bmpxpsppNC

i feel dumb now

[river skiff]

These animations are long af

[main holly]

too much soulslike games xD

[manic wolf]

1v1me Elden Ring

Sorry, the toxic CoD kid from 15 odd years ago came out for a minute there

[river skiff]

If you keep retapping you will always count as parrying but you won't be able to regen stamina in that mode so you still need to dodge

[main holly]

it's alright, you'd probably win ^^

[river skiff]

Lmao

[manic wolf]

Maybe, I did get pretty sweaty for a while on there

[main holly]

gotta type more quiet xD my black cat gave me a death stare for typing to loud xD

[river skiff]

Ngl I tried to do the same thing when I first started with duelling

😂

[river skiff]

Oh a cutie

[manic wolf]

Yeah.. you dont need a spreadsheet to see how long startup frames and parry frames are

[river skiff]

Too many souls like games for me 😞

😂

[main holly]

yeh she sleepin ^^ i think i posted her in petttide, though my orange one is more ok with picts

[manic wolf]

Feed them, cats are good at manipulating people, but are easily manipulated themselves

[main holly]

she preferrs scratchies ^^

[river skiff]

I absolutely love black cats well cats in general but yeah black are my faves