hivescum-class

[low harbor]

yea this normal

[sturdy linden]

really?

[clever wren]

Unless you got a really locked-in team and power through the map at a fast pace, yeah

One special or elite every 2 seconds on average (30 per minute over a 23 minute map) sounds about right, considering the specials spawn constantly and the elites can spawn in big packs

[bronze glade]

HITSG is the shit

[clever wren]

Auric HISTG is comfy

[zenith fern]

auric has built-in HISTG

So an auric with HISTG modifier just doubles or triples the number of specials and elites lmao

[vast vapor]

Sad that scum isn’t getting cosmetics. They could have made dope cool stuff.

[verbal dew]

yet

[strange acorn]

I mean the base ones are pretty good imo

boatload more than arbites at least

[lost ravine]

scum is already drippy

[low harbor]

yea auric is damnation but higher intensity
then HiSTG adds on top of that

[strange acorn]

man. I'm trying to make the needle pistol happen, but that ttk tho

once shit hits the fan and the elites start pouring in I'm just not killing fast enough

[unreal stirrup]

needle pistol and not killing fast enough

[lost ravine]

just tag things once unless ogryn or mauler

[strange acorn]

that kills them even slower

granted, for some reason today all missions contain an absolute metric fuckton of ogryn units and waves of bursters, even heresy feels like auric

didn't have this problem yesterday

ah yes there's the "brutes and blasts" event, that tracks

[tawdry cipher]

I tried chainsword hivescum on rampage adredaline and honestly not bad lmao

chainaxe is also pretty darn great

wait the heavy swords on hivescum are able to kill crushers?

[lost ravine]

during rampage possibly

not efficiently but it is possible with the rending talent

[strange acorn]

i clapped when I saw the space muhreen

[verbal dew]

ok this event is just, bring rockets and bistol and make it boom

killing groups of 7-8 reapers in one shot

[north saddle]

With one Rocket?

[verbal dew]

yes

[strange acorn]

you get absolutely gigantic waves of them

[verbal dew]

the other scum that had rockets dc'd so they weren't on the end screen

but they prob got even more rocket kills

I also joined mid mission, right before the mid event

so expect to compete with rocket scum all event lol

[north saddle]

EVERYTHING IS BETTER WITH ROCKETS

[reef portal]

how do i build spray and pray with auto pistols? which blessings specifically

[rotund agate]

pinning fire and blaze away are a decent combo from my experience.

[maiden pine]

what weapon is this

something autogun

[rotund agate]

vraks mk5 infantry autogun

[olive yoke]

Hey folks whats this new update?

[worn yoke]

no aquilas smh

[low harbor]

Just the new event

[olive yoke]

ooo i never seen an event on this game

just new

[upbeat gyro]

Last event was nobrainer to run on Rebreather Arbi, this time RPG Hivescum with +1 extra blitz and toxin on RPG

And could do Bistol with +AOE and Rampage

[astral canyon]

idk about toxin

[upbeat gyro]

Not needed really but maxing out the blitz for fun

[astral canyon]

also i feel like chembombs would also work pretty well

[upbeat gyro]

Others might steal your kills with quicker working blitz

[zenith fern]

These two new events favouring the paid classes, what does FS mean by this

Game becoming P2W?

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-deglove-degloving-speed-grolemcorp-gif-2628858460915389297

[astral canyon]

ngl stimm event didnt really favor scum that much

[upbeat gyro]

It was tailored for arbi if you wanted to mostly just ignore the negatives of it

[zenith fern]

For arbites

But rumbling giants now favours scum with RPG

How much bet that theres gonna be an increase of scum players bringing RPG just for spam

[bronze glade]

And that’s why I’m not playing this event

[near mauve]

play ogryn and bring nukes

own the libs

[bronze glade]

The libs have three better nukes though

[livid raven]

I think we had a wave of around 20 bulwarks or so

arbites with mines actually owns this event

[muted pivot]

Time to go psyker-only for the event lmao

[fair hill]

The hivescum i just matched with was shooting missles like every 5 seconds wiping ogryn after ogryn group, got over 1 mil dmg, how do you get the CD so low?

[zenith fern]

Ogryn kills have a chance to replenish grenades lol

[fair hill]

just always? lmao

[fair hill]

well no wonder Im doing much as Arbitrator

I drop my shock mine, evrth dead by the time it deploys...

[zenith fern]

Arbites had their fun last event, now is time for the criminal

Also i had a smyker doing nothing just spam making the whole game boring

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1272804331497979935/1450700850132418651/Kill_All_Smykers.gif

[bronze glade]

Event

and this is why I’m not playing the event

Having a HIV on the team already makes the game a fucking snooze fest even without free nades

[zenith fern]

I am taking RPG spam over smite

[vapid jungle]

At least I get to hit something with smite

[zenith fern]

One thing is that RPG scums are gonna be greedy asf and will likely be killed

From grenade death drops

Just two break the whole toughness

[fair hill]

Yeah as Arby I have either nothing at all to do cause evrth is instakilled or stunlocked, or there are 60 crushers and I can kill like, 6 of them during a shockmine xD no in between

[strange acorn]

rocket launcher is the blitz, not the special.

there's a node that lets you carry an extra though so you get 4 RPGs from one nade pickup

[brittle sierra]

What exactly does the event do?

[strange acorn]

extra ogryns and waves of bursters

on top of your normal elite chances, so sometimes it gets absolutely bonkers

[zenith fern]

Ogryn deaths drop grenades

And Reapers (i THINK) HAVE A CHANCE TO REPLENISH GRENADES

Oops

did not mean to caps

[strange acorn]

you get wave after wave of like 8 reapers, plus like 6 bursters one after the other, while fighting a horde and then you get grenadiers and flamers come around say hi while all that is going on

[strange acorn]

oh okay that makes sense

[brittle sierra]

Yeah but what about spawn rates

[strange acorn]

I honestly wish we could filter out events from quickplay because my entire morning has been 3 straight hours of wipes

[zenith fern]

massive increase

just like brute conscripts

[brittle sierra]

Massive increase of what?

[zenith pagoda]

Shock mine is like inferno

It's built for havoc

[zenith fern]

ogryns

[brittle sierra]

Ok time for me to play Ogryn too and crash the game for everyone

[bronze glade]

Deez nuts

[unique dagger]

peak cinema

[strange acorn]

dummy

[brittle sierra]

Is this what God saw when he created mankind?

[brittle sierra]

ONLY THE BEST GIVE THAT GUNNER TAKING YOU TO BOOM TOWN

[vapid jungle]

Yea this event quickly lost its novelty. Thanks Hive Scum.

[neat geyser]

What is the best melee attack combinations for crowd clear? And what about for single target damage?

[verbal dew]

what weapon?

[neat geyser]

shiv, sorry

Forgot the important part lol

[verbal dew]

for mk1 I think it's just lights for hordes and heavy for single

[mighty belfry]

Trash horde clear: light spam with push attacks
Mixed horde clear: Heavy, light, light, light, repeat. Push when needed.
Single target: Heavy spam or heavy, light

[neat geyser]

How many lights before throwing out a push?

[zenith fern]

When you are surrounded

[mighty belfry]

Anytime you feel you need space.

[zenith fern]

Always push when enemies get too close on you

[mighty belfry]

Because shivs are great at horde clear. Not horde control.

[zenith fern]

Your pushes are 360 degree too

I honestly like that scum is a mobile character with fast attack speed buffs but lacks in cleave

[neat geyser]

Alrighty, fair enough!

Thanks all!

[zenith fern]

Scum has quite fast stamina regenation speed so you can spam a lot

[brittle sierra]

I'm going to finally do it

I'm going to put revive speed on my curios today 😈

[zenith fern]

Took you long enough mucker

[river skiff]

Somewhat a waste of the slots

[river skiff]

It has built in cleave that's pretty decent

[verbal dew]

revive speed maxing is the way

[mighty belfry]

Wat

Revive speed is one of the best curio perks

Unless I'm playing zealot, I'm running at least two.

[bronze glade]

I used it a lot when HIV first came out

And pubbies dropped like flies

[rotund agate]

HIV? is that another acronym for scum or something?

[strange acorn]

HIV(es)CUM

[brittle sierra]

AIDS 😔

[limber cradle]

is the event fuckin ogryn and burster spam

[strange acorn]

and the ogryns explode too!

can't forget that

[limber cradle]

who designs this shit

[strange acorn]

I think the more pertinent question is, what reason have these events to exist

which is to pander to the sweats

but yeah this event imo makes malice feel harder than damnation

[limber cradle]

im too tired for this rn

[limber cradle]

i mean

thats cause the players suck

[woeful hill]

its the ogryn + grenade event

plus waves of burster

[strange acorn]

still, when you have pulls consisting of 8 fucking reapers and as soon as you clear it you get two more pulls being aggroed by the explosion

[limber cradle]

so ive learned

[woeful hill]

I have this clip

[strange acorn]

with like 6 bursters in a row as well for good measure coming from the sides

[woeful hill]

friend found the wave of bursters

the body flop

[limber cradle]

get home from an 11 hour shift

want to play some dt

quickplay

[strange acorn]

I was rewatching my last matches and the killfeed is hilarious

[limber cradle]

oh an event is happening

wall of crushers followed by poxbursters

[strange acorn]

frequent "[whatever] killed burster x7"

[limber cradle]

ill play ts this weekend ig

[strange acorn]

be nice if there was a quickplay for these events, or we could filter them out of normal quickplay

[tranquil berry]

Deep rock galactic anniversary event next week

[river skiff]

It's better to focus on not being downed in the first place but if you are then stagger from skills or nades will buy you enough time to pick up someone in the meantime

[mighty belfry]

Ah, someone doesn't know they buffed revive speed.

It's not just being downed anymore that it affects.

Discord wtf

Why is this mobile app so ass

But any instance of needing to take an animation to assist a player is affected.

[river skiff]

Oh I know it also affects nets but that's even less of a reason why to pick it up tbh

[mighty belfry]

And ledging

And rescuing a captured player

You can say you should be focusing on the down never happening but let's be real

That's assuming a game will go perfectly.

That doesn't happen quite often.

[river skiff]

It doesn't need to

Just make a conscious decision to store nades for these situations

[desert hearth]

For anyone who bought the hive scum class, do you think it’s worth the price tag?

[mighty belfry]

The humble mutant forcing you out of the animation at the millisecond before someone's picked up

That doesn't care about your nades.

[river skiff]

If everyone focuses on survival there will be less instances of needing to use it in the first place

[mighty belfry]

"Everyone"

[river skiff]

Oh yeah that can happen ig

[mighty belfry]

Ya

Un

We're talking about Darktide.

[river skiff]

100% it's fun af

[mighty belfry]

That's assuming every person in that party is actually doing that

Revive speed is good for pubs because it's a safety net for those cases.

And it's arguably invaluable in Havoc tbh

Because things will go wrong there.

[river burrow]

Things always go wrong, period.

It’s always a mutant, hound or trapper that gets you (with 1.5 seconds of audio cue to warn you), while a bomber throws right on top of you BEFORE you’re incapacitated.

So literally as you get caught, the bomb hits the ground and you’re fucked. Lol

[mighty belfry]

So many things can happen even in the short period of time to get someone untrapped

Chat. I might like combat knife on rampage better than shivs

[unique spire]

Goblin discovers the concept of preference:

[mighty belfry]

It also can just

Do more

[limber cradle]

i genuinely want whoever came up with this event to eat flavorless paste for the rest of their life

yeah uh

lets spam one of the least consistent enemies in our game

[limber cradle]

cant throw tho

[mighty belfry]

If I can just zoom, why need throw 🤔

[limber cradle]

dopamine

crossmapping snipers with shiv special just feels good

[mighty belfry]

Tru

[sturdy linden]

In what sense

And how do you build your knife

[river burrow]

Is this another event that’s essentially rotten armour all over again?

[mighty belfry]

Finesse maxx

[brittle sierra]

Scum

[mighty belfry]

Riposte precog

Finesse stimm

With a Lil attack speed

[brittle sierra]

Me with 500 finesse poking the crusher with my toothpick 😈

[mighty belfry]

Crits explode into some crazy overkill

And that overkill on mk6 swipe ramps up to crazy levels

Killed like

4 crushers one shotting them in a chain because i accumulated so much overkill from a horde

[mighty belfry]

H40 crushers mind u

[sturdy linden]

Knife combo is heavy-light?

[mighty belfry]

Heavy light or push attack light light

Moveset just seems to really ramp up the overkill

For single target like crushers you just wanna push attack spam or push attack, special, light

[lost ravine]

hive scum is a perfectly normal class

[mighty belfry]

Hood psyker

[lost ravine]

wizzas in tertium

[mighty belfry]

Thats not yo-

Wait, force greatsword enjoyer

[lost ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/wizard-dance-ena-gif-27696814

[mighty belfry]

Shit that actually is your word.

[lost ravine]

[mighty belfry]

I feel the undertone, of being told to get a life.

[lost ravine]

on the contrary, it is simply 5 AM and i should sleep

[mighty belfry]

Sleep is for the weak.

[marble seal]

pa special light pa is like playing twister on your mouse

[supple torrent]

For cbar its ideal to just heavy->light->heavy spam for armor right?

[river burrow]

Been meaning to ask….

Most stim builds all seem to favor bottom right tree. I’ve been maxing that out then using the rest into attack speed in lower left.

Is this optimal? Or more personal preference?

[mighty belfry]

wot, you mean CDR branch?

I personally don't care about CDR branch for stimm crate honestly

Personally like strength + attack speed

[river burrow]

I don’t use stim crate at all

And yes, CDR branch. I use rampage, once it’s over I use Cdr stim with attack speed,
As every kill helps with CDR for rampage. By the time the stjm wears off I can rampage again

[mighty belfry]

Oh for rampage

I personally run max strength + some attack speed

because the benefits you get from maxxing strength can be huge and can either be added to rampage to cause insane amounts of damage stacking

or you can use the stimm to circumvent the loss of Rampage's damage buff

I've been running max speed for stun immunity recently as well though

[supple torrent]

ngl running max damage stimms and just w-m1ing armor is kinda fun

[river burrow]

I’m gonna try str tonight when I get home. With shivs, my current set up is good, but anytime bulwarks/crushers show up, that extra str could be insanely useful

[mighty belfry]

i personally opt for finesse stim for shivs

very powerful

[sturdy linden]

this event is actual CBT in solo queue

[supple torrent]

Everytime I think its going good someone runs ahead out of overconfidence

then a reaper pack shows up

[river skiff]

Not really just use a rocket at every big pack and you will get through it normally

[main holly]

Rockits turn this event into a walking simulator

[sturdy linden]

what if I don't want to play scum all the time

[river skiff]

I mean vet could already print out billion nades before it commenced

😂

[sturdy linden]

or if I just get Fatsharked by bursters

[main holly]

Play vet, take krak

• helbore if you wanna make it skill based

[sturdy linden]

I did, was going pretty well till a burster wave decided to completely ignore pushes

[main holly]

Or plasma for easy mode

[sturdy linden]

helbore is actually great for this event

[river skiff]

I swear to God at one point I was in a small hallway and these fuckers were coming from both sides and I was pushing them away while the rest of the team was watching me do that 😭 😂 after I was done with them I was like: wtf is this event 🤣

[main holly]

Its conga!

Fir bursters at least xD

[main holly]

Psyker should also work.
Inferno, voidstrike, voidblast

Or martyrhammer zealot

[flat mist]

Unless you're for some not running riposte AND chem dep finesse is a no-brainer imo, its so good

Even with shit crit if you're actually good at weakspotting the big targets finesse goes brrrrr

[lost ravine]

i just run cooldown stim

[fathom raptor]

dps is king

[lost ravine]

cooldown is ult and ult is dps

more uptime on murdermode

[mighty belfry]

i really just think devil's claw is just the weapon for me

i try other things

but i always come back to it

and it just works

[verbal dew]

it's simple enough for me

like having to push and heavies in to hordes just feels overkill

even if that's the tac axe way

push light light single target is easier

[subtle zenith]

I like the saw blade, mostly due to asthetics

[verbal dew]

idt I've gone back to it since leveling mastery for it

I honestly prefer crowbar, even if it's somewhat objectively worse

because it doesn't need investment really

[upbeat gyro]

So how do you get more nades through event?

I kept RPGing huge ogryn groups and didnt get any back

[verbal dew]

think it's a chance

and you can get off of your teammates too in coherency

[upbeat gyro]

Failed Heresy, when teammates kept shooting hordes of bursters in our face

[verbal dew]

yeah I wouldn't trust burster events on lower difficulties

[upbeat gyro]

I guess hivescum is popular for event

[fallen void]

do ability cooldown reduction effects also affect the unique stimm

[verbal dew]

no

it's not an ability

only sample collecter reduce cooldown ingame

[upbeat gyro]

Too bad my scoreboard doesnt separate blitz from other dmg

[sand haven]

Get Power DI and it will

[verbal dew]

you can enable that in the settings

[verbal dew]

like so

[pulsar aspen]

I mean if you build for it and try to just optimize everything so you get through it as fast as possible, of course it is boring.

Have you tried playing it without something that just deletes everything?

You know, experiment and try to just ENJOY it?

[sand haven]

Why you kink shaming

[pulsar aspen]

Apologies i guess, i may have missread what you wanted to say. Still, the point is valid.

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/boom-gif-6204213

[calm aurora]

The lack of blackout tox is concerning :+(

[calm aurora]

Ovenproof can do jt too

[upbeat gyro]

Well there is grenade regen event so honestly i was expecting like 4x RPG

[sand haven]

Ya. I moved to Power DI cause I like the layout

[calm aurora]

I have concerns about the impact on perf with PDI

[low harbor]

I never had any

[calm aurora]

Do you have settings to recommend?

[low harbor]

turn everything off/lowest in powerDI settings

[outer cobalt]

lmao of course dual pistols just makes you spin the gun for the special
love it

[zenith pagoda]

Just landed in a game with 3 arbys as scum

[tender forge]

Parole hearing

[outer cobalt]

what melee weapon goes best with the spinny deagles?

[low harbor]

Any good melee weapon

The dual 1911s are best used as secondary for melee builds

[main holly]

weeeeee

[main holly]

i love them for a special/gunner hunting build as well

[outer cobalt]

Ew hell no my guns go spinny permanently

[main holly]

compared to the auto pistols it gives you the accuracy to deal with snipers reliably

[main holly]

shivs are love

[main trellis]

Or just use sticky hands with run & gun and then tap the trigger
You get very good acc

[main holly]

sticky hand u say?
i use blaze away for the increased monstrosity dmg

[outer cobalt]

Aight good

[main trellis]

Ye; blaze and run & gun
Sticky hands is a talent

[main holly]

oh i do have stick hands

but depending on the distance recoil might be a problem

[main trellis]

Thats why you tap the trigger

[main holly]

true that xD

it's just when i go autopistols i go ham ^^

[sturdy linden]

Tried the mk6 combat knife yesterday

I feel like it's great on "support" scum i.e. box + tox

Better than boxcutter shivs I feel

Fast enough if you just wanna light spam and apply tox, powerful enough with the single target hits

[tranquil fjord]

it has nice single target because you can drain your stamina enough with push attacks to use the buff from hive city brawler

[sturdy linden]

Not to mention the PA itself hits like a truck

[bronze glade]

mk6 knife

https://tenor.com/view/puke-vomit-nausea-nauseous-jim-carrey-gif-6414990571697035561

[sturdy linden]

I have literally never used it

yestereday was my first time

and I still believe it should be banned on Zealots

[verbal dew]

why

because they zoom around?

[river burrow]

It really is a great weapon! I run a zealot knife build and honestly, it’s some of the most fun I have when playing zealot

[sturdy linden]

Because I've never seen a stealth knife zealot that's not been a toxic presence on the team

[tranquil fjord]

people should try fotf knife

[upbeat gyro]

So uh, my event mission just bugged out, last 20% of the mission, 0 enemy spawns

Could just hear their voices

[verbal dew]

I always fotf knife

and just going up in difficulty weeds out toxic players

because you usually have to bad to be toxic

[sturdy linden]

I mean, there's verbal toxicity and gameplay toxicity

If you are constantly 83 miles ahead of the rest of your team, aggroing and then aggro dumping the entire map back on to your team and letting them deal with the consequences of your Speedy Gonzalez roleplay

That's pretty toxic

[verbal dew]

yes but that's also a sign of being bad and doing it in lower difficulties where you can get away with it

[rotund agate]

auric does sometimes have similar players (or at least used to), so idk what counts as "lower difficulties" in this case...?

[verbal dew]

I mean heresy is the typical cesspool

damnation prob got worse after the auric missionboard rework but prob not as bad

[livid raven]

Damnation is fine

Heresy really is the borderlands

[verbal dew]

I haven't willingly gone below auric since rework so

[livid raven]

me neither, but it was tragic during the arbites and hivescum levelling

[low harbor]

Having to play lower diff on new classes because u haven’t proved yourself with that class on higher diff is pretty lol

[livid raven]

makes everyone angry

[low harbor]

With that said, hvs’ levelling was aids

[livid raven]

the poor sods who are new to the game have to play with speedrunners who just want to level up, the people who want to level have to play with people that barely know the game and with a boring ass difficulty

[low harbor]

Taking 4 attacks to kill a single bruiser with shiv was

Something

[verbal dew]

it was only bad because everyone was scum in the beginning

and ppl weren't leveled or experienced enough with the class like they are now

I leveled a second scum later and it was much smoother

[low harbor]

It’s just that hvs early game was bad, period

[marble seal]

There just wasn’t enough toughness regen on top lol

[low harbor]

No DR
No curios
No toughness
No toughness replenishment
No mixed horde dmg

Get shredded by gunners 24/7

No melee dmg

[marble seal]

You can deal with everything else sucking but no toughness regen can’t be overcome

[livid raven]

weren't bursters/player hitboxes also bugged

[low harbor]

It used to take like 17 points to reach the toughness replenishment talent from getting shot by ranged

So before that point u just had to cope

[livid raven]

yeah and you had to take that dogshit threat talent as a tax node at the start

or another ranged tax node

good times

[low harbor]

Remember when rocket was dogshit

[livid raven]

eh it was ok

[verbal dew]

yeah but I didn't start with them

[marble seal]

Even in premades with other no lifer darktide friends it was harder than h40 😭

[livid raven]

just the fact chem nade existed kinda overshadowed it greatly

[low harbor]

Loading into no man’s land as quad lv1 hive scum

https://tenor.com/view/thomas-the-train-thomas-thomas-the-tank-engine-thomas-and-friends-ishowspeed-gif-7297322352901128995

[clever wren]

Also the population spike at scoomer launch turned the servers to shit

everyone starts running in place
get hit 10 times in ¼ second and go down
Error 2014

[low harbor]

I didn’t rly have that issue tbh

[livid raven]

right right

[low harbor]

It wasn’t as bad then as rn

[livid raven]

it was much worse then

[low harbor]

The current netcode is written by microslop AI

Copilot tier netcode

[livid raven]

also the patch broke the essential mods

[low harbor]

Numeric UI being broken every update

[livid raven]

i kept trying to switch to melee and block and kept getting AIDS (and ADS)

[low harbor]

lol

[verbal dew]

numeric ui hasn't broke every update tho

[low harbor]

I don’t even use the guaranteed action mods

[livid raven]

i do

[zenith fern]

Mods being broken every update*

[livid raven]

game is basically unplayable without

[low harbor]

The ones I use are largely fine

[zenith fern]

[low harbor]

I don’t rly have issues with it

[zenith fern]

I guess guaranteed mods are good for those who experience some weird lag compensation

[verbal dew]

numeric ui is still wonky for me on scum

[zenith fern]

And game not register the key actions

I often had that issues when used to play vanilla

[verbal dew]

numbers floating off in to space at the start of missions

[zenith fern]

same

[low harbor]

I simplified my mods to be mostly ultralight to avoid update breaking them

[verbal dew]

I've never used the guaranteed mods

[zenith fern]

are those mostly very little mods

[sturdy linden]

I personally find it extremely stupid when players, even extremely skilled players, just rush off on their own leaving their team to fend for themselves. Like at that point just load the mod and go play solo bro, why are you playing a team game at all

[verbal dew]

I currently have 67 mod folders (no joke)

[zenith fern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1170470415555117066/1467323909274603594/tenor.gif

[low harbor]

Creature spawner, constant fov, FX limiter, etc

[livid raven]

no, i think that's fair for leveling up new classes, it's a problem caused by Fatshark being stupid as they are

[low harbor]

It’s light tier stuff

[livid raven]

also i don't think the solo mod let you gain xp or resources, but not sure

[low harbor]

That don’t change how the game looks that much

[verbal dew]

I should delete auto rations atp tho

[livid raven]

having said that

glad they removed loner

[zenith fern]

no

[astral canyon]

so true bestie

[verbal dew]

what did they do with the loner penance btw

did they just make it a do x kills with stamina cost one or

[low harbor]

Idk I did that penance before they removed loner

[sturdy linden]

Dunno man, even when I was levelling scum I tried to help the obviously new players. Yesterday I was in an event mission where the Psyker died, I shit you not, 6 times and we rescued his ass every time (not even counting the dozen+ downs)

[verbal dew]

same

[sturdy linden]

Like, it's a team game

It's part of the schtick

[livid raven]

it stops being a team game when i have to level up a a new class on difficulty 2

[sturdy linden]

[low harbor]

With starting weapons that took 4 hits to kill a single bruiser
On difficulty 2, mind u

[clever wren]

For me at least, weapon switch has been fucked that way since vermintide 1

[zenith fern]

same when i started DT

[verbal dew]

I need to remember to disable the scroll wheel weapon change

im gonna boot the game and do it now lol

[low harbor]

I put my swap weapon key on the same key as equipping primary

[livid raven]

i unbound weapon swap because i put special on q

[verbal dew]

I have special on mouse side button

next to auto swing

[livid raven]

i tried that but it's just too finnicky for me

[low harbor]

I don’t use any of the auto mods

I paid for the full game I’m gonna play the full game

[verbal dew]

I only do auto swing and the toggle auto on ranged

I didn't pay for carpal tunnel

[zenith fern]

We know the only worth mod is super impact

https://tenor.com/view/chad-ape-gif-21229017

[livid raven]

i played two matches with zealot and tacaxe and it genuinely hurt my hand

[low harbor]

I have ragdoll set to 1 for performance lol so it would achieve basically nothing

[zenith fern]

but it funny

including from monsters

[verbal dew]

can you not clear a keybind btw

[livid raven]

dogs in vanilla already fly to the moon

[verbal dew]

do I have to set it to some dumb key I don't use?

[livid raven]

i think so

[low harbor]

If I had a 9800X3D I’d prob do it

[sturdy linden]

me playing using controller

[zenith fern]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/G5J4BvRWEAAG_Ni.gif

[sturdy linden]

[verbal dew]

ok they're on 6 and 7 now

[astral canyon]

kimty

[livid raven]

what if they add 4 weapons in your loadout

[sturdy linden]

Controller is fun and i stand by this

[verbal dew]

I will complain to the one FS employee I know

[sturdy linden]

Way easier on your hands, no flirting with carpal tunnel

[verbal dew]

I need more buttons than a controller has tho

[low harbor]

I think u can

[sturdy linden]

I have an 8bitDO controller

[verbal dew]

since I have a bunch of stuff with mods

[sturdy linden]

Has enough buttons for me

[livid raven]

i think if you play a shooter on a controller you might need to be crucified tho??

[sturdy linden]

[verbal dew]

darktide hasn't been too bad on my fingers

[sturdy linden]

If it were pvp maybe

[livid raven]

i remember playing cod on controller when black ops was the shit

[verbal dew]

compared to warframe, where I switched to controller all the way back in 2013

[livid raven]

it sucked ass aiming with that

so i used shotguns only

[sturdy linden]

The aim assist in this game is pretty decent

I can land headshots fairly reliably with most weapons (given that I'm not skilled anyway)

[livid raven]

i genuinely had less trouble playing call of duty on the wii (you had to use the remote to aim) than cod on xbox

[sturdy linden]

[verbal dew]

I didn't know there were 3 ways to interact with something

why would you press 1 or 2

[livid raven]

you are thinking too smart

that's actually for the ration event

[verbal dew]

oh

[livid raven]

1 to take them and 2 to destroy them

[verbal dew]

right

[livid raven]

it's very stupid

[verbal dew]

yeah having to get a mod for that event

very stupid

[livid raven]

adding two whole binds for an event was kinda silly in the first place but

not even changing the name of the binds was even dumber

[verbal dew]

do they still work as regular interact

or are they just unusable

[livid raven]

i don't think so, they should be unusable

[low harbor]

Wait u play on controller?

[sturdy linden]

Yeah

[upbeat gyro]

Honestly feels just wrong to spam RPGs like this

[clever wren]

I'd feel less bad about it if the event was better

[supple jasper]

Feels so right. So satisfying hearing them explode from an rpg

[clever wren]

Bulwark genocide best day of my life

[tropic crag]

its not really a stupid thing to add because its something that can be reused and add more options for things... labeling them the same is just the standard FS being bad at labels internally and externally lol

used in future events i mean

or things like new modes they may decide to add if they ever decide to add a wastes like option

[lost ravine]

boom

[vivid girder]

I don’t. I just saw a poor Ogryn soloing 20 crushers. I just had to save him 🤗

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-champion-acclaim-gif-14687945

[verbal dew]

the ogryn spam seems more than walking giants as well

but maybe it's because auric exists now

[limber cradle]

if nobody answered you in the past 18 hours its crusher and burster spam

[verbal dew]

all ogryns equally

[limber cradle]

ive noticed way more crushers than anything

might be confirmation bias

[last axle]

Is event worth logging in for or is it mostly a slog to run

[verbal dew]

do you like big booms?

[limber cradle]

imo its kinda a slog

not even cause of ogryn

cause of bursters

[verbal dew]

you need to get booming more

[last axle]

hmmm I do like explosions, could throw together a max boom bringer talent setup

is there a lot of grenade refunds then

[verbal dew]

ton

but my last games have also been with shredder vet so I have p good default regen

[last axle]

oooh that's neato 👀

[verbal dew]

it's scum, ogryn, or vet if you want to shine

[mighty belfry]

A slog if you're not running something that completely trivializes it

(Boom bringer)

New event sucks

[clever wren]

I can't decide if the new event is better or worse less bad or more bad with big booms to trivialize it

[tropic crag]

fighting crusher swarms is fun... but also so is deleting crusher swarms

i say try to do a healthy mix

[calm aurora]

I used the thammer for the first time in two years and it was more fun than throwing nades or rockets.

[sturdy linden]

I had the most fun on Branxgryn mining Ogryn heads

Well, also on helbore vet

[tropic crag]

paul on oggy is also fun, not as good TTK but enough cc that it doesn't matter

[vivid girder]

I hate the knockback in this game -.-

[bronze glade]

fair

but knockback can also be used for good causes

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1272804331497979935/1450700850132418651/Kill_All_Smykers.gif

[vast pagoda]

does stopping power have any impact for the needle pistol?

[bronze glade]

You can dump it

[near mauve]

new events are fs testing the water into turning this game fully into poe

funny haha screen wipe

[brittle sierra]

Pay to win confirmed 😔

[sturdy linden]

[near mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/woo-yeah-yeah-groovin-dance-humping-hump-gif-17375259

[limber cradle]

Hive Scum reference?? (very mild re9 spoilers)

[obtuse ruin]

what blessings and talents should be on the dual autoguns?

[sullen zodiac]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a081382f-5bb2-416e-8c97-4bf709b89207/always-be-blasting-frankus-reynoldus-build
you do mean autopistols right?
for starters i would recommend this, pickpocket vulture desperado
when you get better you will start to automatically change a thing or two

[obtuse ruin]

yes I do mean autopistols, sorry. if only I could dual wield autoguns lol

[obtuse ruin]

it's already very similar to what I do run yea, as I got a gun build from this channel sometime ago.

I will ask, why the stim with crit chance and not something like finesse or rending?

and with the cooldown rerduction on there, I'm also wondering. Would it be used while you're not in desperado then so it comes back quicker, or just spam your stimm as much as possible?

[sullen zodiac]

crit chance%= toughness replenish
this is very common in all the DPS classes, in hivescum its trough node "Precision Violence"

[obtuse ruin]

What node is that? Like, where is it physically on the tree?

[sullen zodiac]

while I realize this build i linked doesnt use Precision Violence, its one of thoes things I said that you change as you rise in skill,
Ranged critical hivescum utilizes Vulture dodge, which is the Vulture Mark ultimate node,
Every ranged crit counts as dodging +1sec, in low difficulties this is not important, but when you are at havoc40 difficulty, you really, really, really cant take ranged shots to your face

[livid raven]

I dunno, crits on dual autogun suck balls

[sullen zodiac]

as all things in life, the better you get the less defencive nodes you need. dual auto crits can be utilized to make you immune to ranged damage + dodging attacks proc your other talents

but before you are 0damage taken havoc40 hero, you might want to consider some defencive options

[upbeat gyro]

Tried DAPs, wanted to like em but they were so visually noisy i could barely see what goes on

Vraks IAG feels more comfy and i can then gain lot more from crits and finesse too

[obtuse ruin]

true, currrerntly I use the vraks. .It's nice. but I also want to try my options, and what feels more 'scum' like then dual wield mag-dumping into a group of groaners? Lol

[obtuse ruin]

and yea, on my current more melee-focused stim addict build I tend to go into the toughness stimm tree for the extra defense.

[swift orbit]

meow

[neat delta]

Uee knife

You are basically a speed demon

Scum have infinite dodges so

[calm aurora]

And then, you do fatmangus.

[unreal stirrup]

knife is the most fun weapon on scum for sure

but i find shiv better nowadays

caxe still the best though

[livid raven]

i wish the shivs' push attack was less

anemic

[unreal stirrup]

shiv push attack feel fucking awful to use yeah

[unique spire]

You mean for it to be more like TF2 scout push?

Doing with both hands?

[livid raven]

i mean it to do actually anything

it's like

[unique spire]

But it does

[livid raven]

slow and does barely anything

[bronze glade]

It’s not THAT bad

[zealous ravine]

first part of shivs that isnt goofy strong?? 😨

[calm aurora]

Shivs are as ethical as duelling swords. Nerf.

[clever wren]

Anything that even remotely smacks of Kerillian turns out to be obnoxious. Sad!

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twitter-leobylaw-gif-2505603330472600940

[river burrow]

I find the shiv push attack is great to throw out after dodging to the left or right of whatever is attacking me. I find the horizontal attack is essentially a guaranteed hit, and often finishes off any ragers or whatever that’s attacking

[zenith fern]

Theres nothing more hateful than seeing a scum RPG spam on ogryn packs while i am fighting and as they die, they all drop grenades eating all my toughness in one go and take health damage as well

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/G_vDGEDXwAAZGHA.gif

[livid raven]

owned and deserved for trying to play a fatshark event, i fear

[zenith fern]

I know that i am at least doing the effort of fighting instead of being a coward

[clever wren]

One that doesn't even give Aquilas (the employee who snuck that through is no longer with us)

[zenith fern]

I am yet to see a scum that is not using RPGs on the event

Might even go for it just to try with blinders and focus on finesse knive

[unique dagger]

average hive scum dmg

this class is bonkers op

[river burrow]

Blinders are fantastic if you take pocket toxin. 3 stacks applies to all it hits. Will decimate ragers/gunner patrols, and really helps soften up crushers and bulwarks!

[calm aurora]

They have given Aquilas every time there's a new class

And btw, aquilas and the shop are not really managed by FS in the end.

[clever wren]

I didn't say it was necessarily a Fatshark employee

[calm aurora]

I don't remember we even talked about a tencent employee.

[river skiff]

Combat blade with infantry autogun plus salvo mod is actually broken

[livid raven]

salvo mod?

[verbal dew]

that's certainly a build

[livid raven]

not quite sure why you take untouchable, ramping backstabs, ammo jack and switch endurance tho

it's quite bad

[mighty belfry]

There's a lot of fluff on this build ngl

[river skiff]

Made myself a mod that makes my infantry gun fire in 4 shots salvos that can automatically trigger 50% weakspot dmg without me having to consciously manage that

[livid raven]

why are you nerfing your damage like that

[mighty belfry]

Swift is fine. Other stuff... ya

[river skiff]

It is not a nerf

[livid raven]

it kinda is, there is no reason not to go full auto

[mighty belfry]

Tbh I'd just use vig auto at that point

Since, that actually is a three burster. That also can do considerably more damage in the burst.

[zenith fern]

Yeah I know, they my favourite blitz for that but also funny because of blinder spam

[river skiff]

It has terrible range dmg this can kill everything but armor at basically any range and for armor I have combat knife with 2 rending perks and 3 skill nodes to support it

[livid raven]

the vig auto has much better range damage

[mighty belfry]

Vig auto is way better at range

It ain't even close

[livid raven]

like

the vraks is a disaster at range

and that's kinda the only infantry autogun worth using

irrc, despite having surprisingly good finesse, the vigs should be better at that too

[river skiff]

My bad I switched the two

[calm aurora]

Hive scum have access to vga?

[livid raven]

yeah, it's part of the generic weapons everyone except ogryn has

as you can imagine, it's not exactly a great fit

[river burrow]

Feel that. Nothing is funnier than throwing all blinders and replenishing full stock after a pox walker horde

[limber cradle]

Tbh I could go for a vigilant on a melee build

Pull it out for special sniping

[livid raven]

apart from the obvious sneedler elephant in the room

i would use the dual stubs for that

[limber cradle]

I use the .45s

I simply don't like needler

[livid raven]

or god, the revolver

[limber cradle]

It'll kill well but it has a long ttk and no good feedback

[lost ravine]

based

i mean

[lost ravine]

double based

[mighty belfry]

Explodey bistol my favorite

[limber cradle]

They're perfectly serviceable for what I use em for

Pull em out mid rampage

Kill a special or two, mainly bombers, snipers, trappers, or flamers, back to shivs

[lost ravine]

long as you don't expect to shoot crushers it good

[limber cradle]

And you shouldn't do that anyway

[lost ravine]

Yes

[muted pivot]

Boss damage boost from magdumping a needle gun into it as it approaches is pretty good too, but yeah, i'm curious about taking the stub pistols on a rampage build

Specifically one which has phenomenal anti-crusher in its melee anyway, like shivs knife or combat axe

Maybe not tac axe, definitely not heavy sword

[brittle sierra]

I'm wondering if toxic grenades are better for this event 🤔

[limber cradle]

i run these with shivs

[muted pivot]

They're ok

[limber cradle]

idk man rocket removes patrols real good

[river skiff]

Nope go boom

[muted pivot]

Mm, the delay on the chem bombs isn't ideal tbh

[brittle sierra]

4 scum speed run event 😈

[muted pivot]

I think that's their worst point right now

[willow thicket]

better or not it’s fun asf

[muted pivot]

Toxbombs are still very very good

[sturdy linden]

Possibly, but they aren't the instant "oh shit" button that rockets are

[lost ravine]

roket :)

[river skiff]

Should I take supression fire for shredder if I am mostly using it to kill hounds, trappers and flamers in sporadic fashion?

Oh and snipers

[bronze glade]

is that a talent or something?

suppression generally isn't worth building for

[river skiff]

A weapon perk

[bronze glade]

blessing?

idr anything called suppression fire

you mean pinning fire?

if so, that's good

[bronze glade]

oh no that's shit

hounds/trappers/flamers don't get suppressed

[river skiff]

Welp I have no good blessing for it then

Pinning fire is somewhat useless cuz I am not spamming it 90% of the time

[bronze glade]

blaze/pinning is the typical combo

[bronze glade]

pinning stacks quickly anyway

esp on SAP

which has crazy stagger

[river skiff]

Wdym?

Ah

I see

[river skiff]

Oh I am sorry I mistaken it for something else

I already have that

Just thinking of second blessing

[bronze glade]

blaze away is the second preferred blessing

[river skiff]

It does not do much for my purposes

[bronze glade]

well it'll help on targets that you can't stack PF on

[river skiff]

Mostly 8% buff for a few bullets till the enemy dies

[bronze glade]

and not like there's much else to take tbh

[river skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/knife-cat-cat-knife-cat-knife-cat-angry-gif-9404759922388476738

[bronze glade]

run n gun maybe, though SAP already has innate sprint fire

so you'd just be taking it for the acc buff

[tranquil berry]

40% buff to damage and cleave after a few bullets for the remainder of the mag. It's the best damage blessing by a mile

Blaze/pinning, don't be shy!

[zenith fern]

Scum launch tree jumpscare

[nova valley]

[zenith fern]

https://tenor.com/view/you-wouldnt-get-it-joker-smoking-gif-15952801

Scum tree at launch was truly something

[sturdy linden]

23 levels of zero toughness regain talents

[river skiff]

That's when you use pickpocket and desperado

[lost ravine]

sounds like agonizing early game

[zenith fern]

Lot of nothing but toughness

[manic wolf]

No need to take that on SAP, its fine without

[muted pivot]

Don't need talents to dodge :D

[lost ravine]

true but also we all suffer from skill issues

(projecting)

[livid raven]

run n gun does basically nothing on shredder

[muted pivot]

Desperado had no issues because auto dodge

I think rampage had it hardest

[lost ravine]

rampage :)

[manic wolf]

It was fine

You either played well, or you got stomped, was fun, even when getting stomped

Since they buffed Rampage, the class got a lot less fun to play ngl

All reward, no risk

[lost ravine]

still a lesser sg tbh

[limber cradle]

SG is SG is SG tho

[manic wolf]

I mean, yeah thats more egregious

Im surprised Rampage even got buffed and Scriers didnt get 10 more buffs

[lost ravine]

sg still not strong enough, shriek stays winning

more buffs for sg!

[calm aurora]

And people shitting on DS / plasma / purg for two years are now ethically using shivs and pickpocket.

[livid raven]

that's funny, i was a DS Plasma chad before arbites

now i'm a desperado shivs pickpocket chad with hivescum

[low zenith]

Literally same.

[livid raven]

yessss

[manic wolf]

I don't feel like shivs are that bad, but Shitpocket can fck right off

[calm aurora]

DS has mobility and single target dmg. But bad horde clear. Shivs have no drawbacks.

[swift orbit]

first dlc weapons pack when?

[livid raven]

tomorrow

[lost ravine]

what about ethical use of force greatsword

[limber cradle]

I don't think plasma, ds, or shivs are comparable to purg tbh

[calm aurora]

bad mobility so OK

[lost ravine]

[calm aurora]

what about needle pistol with pickpocket

[limber cradle]

Nah

Closest thing to purge that scum has would be DAPs or Vraks on Desp build

[calm aurora]

with pickpocket

[limber cradle]

That would be apart of Desp build, yes

[calm aurora]

my argument is the following: there is a double standard

ds, plasma, purg are associated with noobs

[limber cradle]

I shit on DS Plasma players cause they're normally horrifically bad tbh

Nah, I associate it with "I'm gonna Google a build I do not know how to pilot"

[calm aurora]

but now, shivs and scums are okay because edgy glass canons?

[limber cradle]

If that's a noob to you ig

[calm aurora]

yeah but look at the horde of youtubers complaining about ds plasma purgs in their lobbies and usings shivs, needler or pickpocket now

so the weapon were never the pb

[limber cradle]

Why would I ever watch a YouTuber play dark tide

[calm aurora]

it was the players

[verbal dew]

you can make scum hella bulky tho

[limber cradle]

You can make psyker stupidly tanky too tbf

[verbal dew]

ye

[calm aurora]

you can make ogryn fast

no, i am kidding

[river skiff]

They don't have much crowd control but it usually doesn't matter but I noticed in havocs it's pretty much necessary to push every once in a while to get it too

[verbal dew]

he's decently fast with knife

[calm aurora]

with mk2 h1 cancel?

[limber cradle]

Personally idc what anyone uses

I care how they use it

There's no weapon I dislike on the same level as smite tho

Maybe rumbler

[lost ravine]

if i use pickpocket and shivs and .45s am i part of the problem?

[calm aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/kant-immanuel-kant-no-you-kant-philosophy-gif-16359244

I don't care

it's just I loathe the hypocrisy

[lost ravine]

i recognize that needle pistol is insanely dumb

[calm aurora]

Next time I hear someone complaining about a weapon I'll tear him a new asshole

[lost ravine]

and if one is to condemn plasma, needler should be too

[calm aurora]

yep\

needle is worse imho

[lost ravine]

because it is actually infinite

rather than just almost infinite

it is also mobile

[calm aurora]

and so fucking mobile

no need for blessings, perks, modifiers...

[clever wren]

Or even base stats

[lost ravine]

"what blessings do i even put on this"
"what dump stat" literally matters not because it is all dot

and unlike purg the dots dont scale with stats on the weapon

grey needler is just as much of a world ender as a fully upgraded and blessed one

insanely mobile, unlimited, extremely armor-piercing, good boss damage, aoe-ish mode

weapons with 1-2 less of these boxes ticked are already powerful

purg in fact does have 2.5 less of these boxes

[compact oyster]

actualy

[lost ravine]

and is a whole lot more dependent on stats

[compact oyster]

ainz told me that damage and blessings do infact affect the DOT

[lost ravine]

do they now

the perks surely do

[calm aurora]

Run and gun + stripped down do

[lost ravine]

what effect does stripped down have on damage

[calm aurora]

Stripped down put you in a dodge stage

[lost ravine]

ah yes, damage on dodge talents

[calm aurora]

Yes the first node, quick and deadly

And run n gun gives 15% close dmg

[bronze glade]

Yeah I agree

[calm aurora]

So basically you get free dmg just for moving in an ultra mobile class with infinite ammo and no need for rending

What could go wrong

[river skiff]

I would actually take run and gun if it existed for that gun

[clever wren]

Scum players

[river skiff]

Less spread means further reliable kill range

[river skiff]

It's better than a perk focused at wasting ammo as that's what I try to avoid lmao

[bronze glade]

Hmm 🤔 I thought SAP had it? May have misremembered

[river skiff]

It doesn't

Would have taken it in a heartbeat

[calm aurora]

does it need it?

[river skiff]

It's not that it needs it but there are no other blessings that are good for hit/run gameplay I am pulling my gun to get rid of 1/2 specials that hang out together not mag dumping it into hordes

[calm aurora]

but you could take the bistol with run and gun tho

if you need to do a quick dispatch

[river skiff]

It has slow pull up time and reloads

I like shredder more

[calm aurora]

counter-argument, you could reduce that with one talent and stimms no?

[river skiff]

Stimms aren't a reliable way to get switching speed while it does exist and I don't need to invest any talent points into running shredder

[river skiff]

Btw I already run the first 2 nodes for switching speed in stimms but yeah I took it because it was a good deal in a way but I can't have it as a crutch since stimms take relatively long time to get up running again without chem build

[muted pivot]

You don't really waste ammo on a Scum though

It's like saying a Psyker is wasting warp

[river skiff]

I don't run ammo coherency nor pickpocket so mag dumping into hordes is wasting ammo

[muted pivot]

I see one talent point as a worthy sacrifice to be able to always shoot unless it's better to have another weapon out in that moment but you do you

[river skiff]

I am planning to use bistol in chem build but yeah it's not optimal for me in my pure melee build

[lost ravine]

pickpocket is right next to hypercrit which you always pick no matter what

so

[muted pivot]

I would only consider dropping it if I wasn't running sample collector on something tbh

But blue needles are so good at forcing your stimm back off CDR

[river skiff]

I run hypercrit and I could run pickpocket but I have no need for it the ammo I have is enough to kill what I need to kill if I was constantly running dry I would have picked it but now I prefer stagger perk which boosts damage for both melee and shredder at the same time

[river skiff]

Ig I could mag dump into hordes then but killing them with shivs is more fun for me so eh

[muted pivot]

it's just good to have the option sometimes

[river skiff]

Unless someone literally steals all of the ammo I am good so far I haven't met such kind soul in havocs yet lol 😭

[muted pivot]

I always just presume a scum has pp

To me with my decision making process when I see ammo pickups, you're a staff psyker

So I will take if I'm at like 70% and the scum is on orange

I'd just presume you're riding the pp

[lost ravine]

riding the pp

[limber cradle]

I don't run pick tbh

I also don't use a lot of ammo and am pretty fast tho

[astral canyon]

i only run pickpocket on desperado setups

if im running melee scum i dont use it

[limber cradle]

Same

My tree rn

[muted pivot]

See I always do the blitz-aura middle bit as a straight shot down the centre

The side talents seem not worth it to me idk

I usually spend most of my points sprawled around the 3 bottom legs

[limber cradle]

I like the mobility jittery affords tbh

I use tox nades if I use blinders instead

But rocket doesn't like, need help

[marble seal]

Mine is a girl

[swift orbit]

girls arent real

[sharp otter]

hello, do you have a bug with scum med-stim?

generally I cannot run, my attack animation is broken

bcs of mods, what do you think?

[livid raven]

check your mods

[nova valley]

Go Go Power Addicts!

[verbal dew]

I've only started running pickpocket on havoc runs where there isn't a vet

[mighty belfry]

[nova valley]

Oh, so the reason I saw so many builds with claw recently is something like this. Now I got it

https://youtu.be/R1r-O3VzdM4?si=kQigplZJSuz1F5Yk

[verbal dew]

goblin's build is what I've been using with devil's claw and I'd say theirs is better than the one in that video

[main trellis]

Cheese went into quantity
That should say smth

[mighty belfry]

yeah i dont really see much point in slippery customer here

it's virtually the same thing as my build except for that specific change

and they're using the clearly inferior dclaw :B

[verbal dew]

no hypercrit or forge's bellow

[mighty belfry]

oh yeah no forges either

[limber cradle]

Tbh I'm not big on slippery to begin with

[main trellis]

I prefer quality; smth unique/maverick/unorthodox/meme’y
that works

[mighty belfry]

bcuz they chose the 4th stack for chem

which is

[main trellis]

Silly

[mighty belfry]

yeah i don't agree with that choice lmao

[limber cradle]

I genuinely don't get 4th stack

I don't know why anyone chooses to run it

[verbal dew]

I've never run it ever

[main trellis]

Its basically not worth it

[limber cradle]

It's not worth it at all

Not even basically

[marble seal]

5% crit

Huge

[main trellis]

You lose 30s durration for 5% crit & tdr if you can maintain it

Yeah nah; dogshit

Even for crate builds

[limber cradle]

I like fat stimms too

[mighty belfry]

i'd consider it more had it not been for the duration decrease

but even then i still don't think it's that big of a deal to take a point for it

[limber cradle]

Maybe same, idk

I'd probably still take jittery over it

[mighty belfry]

well yeah jittery is just objectively way more applicable

[limber cradle]

Love jittery

https://tenor.com/view/vegito-dragon-ball-super-punch-dunk-instant-transmission-gif-26271748

Nimble+jittery+Shiv dodges

[woeful hill]

after 200 attempts on psyker, I tried 1 scum solo and almost did it 1st try

lol

[mighty belfry]

also

no hammerblow

😔

[limber cradle]

The power of addiction

[mighty belfry]

cheese is cooked chat

[limber cradle]

Mmm warm, melty cheese

[mighty belfry]

the mobility on this class carries so hard

[woeful hill]

not event that

its the toughness regen from ranged

nearly 100% uptime for me while fighting

plus the 50% toughness back from break

stops so much ranged death interactions

[mighty belfry]

this right here is why i like running health curios on scum

[woeful hill]

plus the insta toughness from ult

plus the toughness from stim

[mighty belfry]

you virtually have a bigger toughness pool than your base because of that talent

[limber cradle]

I wouldn't even say virtually

It's basically an extra 50 percent toughness

Which ofc goes back to interacting with toughness regen when you get shot

[mighty belfry]

yea

the

supposed glass cannon

that's not actually as glass as people think

[limber cradle]

I mean

That opinion was also solidified in old tree

Where you needed to be level like 24 to get toughness regen

[bronze glade]

psyker moment

[marble seal]

Ppl say scum is glass cannon but regen from trash shooters makes it the most survivable class

[woeful hill]

yeah

[bronze glade]

idk about most survivable class, but it's no glass cannon for sure

[marble seal]

If you know how to play it’s the easiest clutch class

[limber cradle]

That's zealot imo

Entirely cause "haha I am invisible"

[mighty belfry]

tbf that's if you bother to run shroud

[limber cradle]

I mean, it's not exactly uncommon at all to run shroud

[river skiff]

Probably pretty high up there the sh... you can do with dodges and stamina regen is pretty insane

[mighty belfry]

the other two abilities don't have that sorta safety net

[limber cradle]

It's not like vet

Where running stealth is ??? and rare

[mighty belfry]

you'd be surprised

[limber cradle]

Most zealots I see have stealth or book, no I wouldn't be surprised lol

[mighty belfry]

it's still rare to see shroudfield as opposed to chorus

[livid raven]

thank god for that

[limber cradle]

FotF is the rare one

[mighty belfry]

ime at least

and people still get scared when i run shroud in havoc lol

only to realize that they never have to worry about a BoN or a captain for the entirety of a havoc run

it's almost like

when someone actually knows how to use stealth

it's actually gigabusted as all hell

[limber cradle]

Absolutely no havoc lobbies listed rn

Dead game mode

[mighty belfry]

i'm probably gonna be playing soon

[marble seal]

Go east young man

West is dead

[limber cradle]

I am NA east

[marble seal]

It’s over…

East has fallen

[river skiff]

Preach

[mighty belfry]

i had a 3 win streak with vect yesterday

twas fun

[river skiff]

I have my zealot at 8 lol 😭 never picked him up again

[mighty belfry]

first game we had was like

the fastest TS run i think i've ever had?

[marble seal]

I had a 1000 million win streak

[river skiff]

I want some reason to try it

[mighty belfry]

zealot is fun

i've been appreciating them more recently

well

fun if you don't use chorus

[river skiff]

He doesn't like preaching