so you just needed a mod to allow you to make up to the server limit
#hivescum-class
verbal dew
and after arbites they upped the reg menu cap to max
but with scum they were already at their previous server cap, so they increased it by one then
granted if you don't have duplicate classes it's not a problem
I just like to do one male and one female for certain classes
wraith robin
but with scum they were already at their previous server cap, so they increased ...
Hmm.. Was it by one though? Did anybody check? May be it's again server can store more than client allows case?
verbal dew
like I currently have 2 psykers, 2 zealots, 2 scum
I mean they said they increased it by one
so idt they would not give us the server cap when they did for arbites
wraith robin
okay, thanks for all the details. cheers
obtuse ruin
say, what's the dumpstat for the stub pistols?
woeful hill
collat
obtuse ruin
awesome, thanks ainz
woeful hill
I think the only weapon that doesnt dump full 60 collat is ripper
which is ammo dump if running blaze/inspiring
66% ammo rest into collat
limber cradle
Yeah, something about the ammo in a mag equating to one shell per stack of blaze or something?
obtuse ruin
also, the ranged dual autos build, would that also work if I swapped dual stub pistols? Or would I have to change stuff?
limber cradle
.45s aren't a primary for desp like the autos are
They serve best as a back up to a melee build ime
limber cradle
Yk I appreciate you posting these
woeful hill
i get some funny death poses from my solos
marble seal
Need transparent bulwark mod
limber cradle
Nah like, it's nice knowing you still die, yk?
woeful hill
woeful hill
obtuse ruin
.45s aren't a primary for desp like the autos are
oh I'm fully aware that they're not the most awesome primaries. But is this a case of
this won't work at all
or more like a, suboptimal choice?
lost ravine
.45s aren't a primary for desp like the autos are
maybe but it still feels good (maybe just to me because i like them)
limber cradle
But I've ran .45s desp a lot and it's definitely nowhere near as good as it's competition
zenith fern
Maybe rot armour is not as bad everyone keep saying, just put yourself in a corner and fight everything
limber cradle
maybe but it still feels good (maybe just to me because i like them)
Trust me, I know
limber cradle
How do you purposefully manipulate slots like that?
lost ravine
plus infinite style points
woeful hill
Maybe rot armour is not as bad everyone keep saying, just put yourself in a corn...
yeah just take them 1 at a time by abusing slots
woeful hill
How do you purposefully manipulate slots like that?
using walls
if I am back agaisnt walls thats half of my slots removed
woeful hill
I hug walls alot
limber cradle
Gotcha
obtuse ruin
But I've ran .45s desp a lot and it's definitely nowhere near as good as it's co...
how so?
limber cradle
I mean
Have you used DAPs or Vraks?
They just remove whatever you point them at for no effort at all.
limber cradle
I hug walls alot
I'll try doing this more tbh
I don't normally like being against walls cause that limits an avenue of movement
zenith fern
Only if you position yourself very bad
woeful hill
it becomes a habit for some situations with melee heavy
limber cradle
Only if you position yourself very bad
I mean fundamentally if you're near a wall that's just one less direction you can move in
I like my freedom
lost ravine
I mean fundamentally if you're near a wall that's just one less direction you ca...
it is also one less direction you can get shot or shanked from
limber cradle
Trappers don't give a fuck about solid terrain anyway
limber cradle
it is also one less direction you can get shot or shanked from
Tbh shot and stabbed aren't my concern
My concern are bombers, flamers, and generally getting stuck there
obtuse ruin
Have you used DAPs or Vraks?
I have not yet, I might try the vraks. Has anyting changed on how you normally run when using hivescum?
woeful hill
I mean as if you are parallel, its a lot harder to dodge compared to perpendicular
limber cradle
I have not yet, I might try the vraks. Has anyting changed on how you normally r...
Like, normally run the vraks or normally run movement?
I don't like vraks so I don't use it
Wonderbread gun, no feeling, no flavor
limber cradle
I mean as if you are parallel, its a lot harder to dodge compared to perpendicul...
Agreed
obtuse ruin
Like, normally run the vraks or normally run movement?
normally run the vraks
limber cradle
Afaik nothing changes
obtuse ruin
good
and finally, I saw in that pinned ranged build it only had the cooldown path on the stim lab, was that done as like. so you have more cooldown, or just cause the other path is flexible?
woeful hill
I'll try doing this more tbh
obtuse ruin
I think that build is somewhat old tho
ah, what has changed since then then?
limber cradle
Yeah man tbh I would never be willing to stick myself in that area to begin with
woeful hill
yeah
livid raven
ah, what has changed since then then?
I think most people found out that it's not really desperado that makes the ranged build
livid raven
At lesst on vraks, i prefer getting both the agility and strength path on stimm instead
obtuse ruin
so not the cooldown then?
livid raven
Try both and see which you prefer
livid raven
Strength and agility are better against crushers, elite spam and bosses
livid raven
Desperado spam is more general utility
I don't think i would take finesse on dual uzi
verbal dew
I'm always always strength+cc and attack speed+stun/reload speed
obtuse ruin
yea, but I'm using the vraks right now not the uzis. As I do not honestly like the uzis much
verbal dew
I don't feel like rending is worth it a lot, because when you need rending it's usually that bad
obtuse ruin
and talents, any must-haves that I might've missed?
verbal dew
well idk your build so
zenith fern
and talents, any must-haves that I might've missed?
gotta share your build first oomf
obtuse ruin
I mean, I said before I'm using the one in pinned. Only difference is I'm using a vraks
zenith fern
Yeah
verbal dew
I have also never invested in both ranged and melee at the top tree
zenith fern
Only been updated with the tree talent swap changes
Sticky hands and Calliing for time out is something i dont pick for ranged builds
Little mixed about Unload
Guess this works little better with one spare talent of your choice
verbal dew
my ranged builds are usually one of these
zenith fern
What weapons are for that right build
livid raven
i do this
verbal dew
I've run that with db or stub pistol
blitz is whatever is helpful for your build
blackout requires pocket toxin and doesn't need +1 blitz
but it's not easy to skip +1 blitz
livid raven
i think rocket is just way too stupid to avoid in a ranged build
verbal dew
stub can get some p good adm on weakspot crits
but ye rocket if you're just expecting blocks of armor
verbal dew
biggest glow up ever for any blitz
shit at launch, peak now
even at h40 it's so damn good
stim up and let loose
zenith fern
The "panic" button
obtuse ruin
I personally see it as the
"Don't wanna deal with that" button
zenith fern
Id say that but literally half of scums use rpg for a single crusher pack or few ogryns lmao
verbal dew
if you got a vet then you just expect them to krak the simpler packs
livid raven
I personally see it as the
"Don't wanna deal with that" button
they are
i won't use a rocket against 10 ragers or maulers
verbal dew
and save up for when it starts to mass up a lot
livid raven
but that lone bulwark is getting exploded as soon as i see him
verbal dew
there's nothing more satisfying than facing 4 garden bulwarks running towards you
aim at the middle's feet
killfeed 4 bulwarks
livid raven
maybe not the best of use of a rocket
zenith fern
4 bulwarks is a waste
livid raven
but i didn't pay 40 bucks to shoot at an invisible hitbox several times larger than the shield
verbal dew
idk, I never expect to be able to run around an h40 forever with rockets to spare
either you die or the team is just not using that many grenade slot stuff
livid raven
i'd imagine the hivescum with the rockets would have priority over the grenade stock anyway
verbal dew
ye but im not gonna be too greedy when there's a frag ogryn for example
I usually just skip most ammo
mighty belfry
i'd imagine the hivescum with the rockets would have priority over the grenade s...
I think this way of thinking is kinda lame if I'll be real
livid raven
i too hate when the class with absurd grenades and no other way to recharge them unlike the other classes has priority over grenades
mighty belfry
Taking away the agency of other players because you have the better nade doesn't sit well with me, esp in havoc
It's a team game. And everyone should have their share of resources.
livid raven
which is why they should buff rocket and give it a 60 seconds recharge, i fully agree
actually, that's stupid
i think pickpocket should also recharge a blitz charge
mighty belfry
i think pickpocket should also recharge a blitz charge
livid raven
man i hope that's going to be a thing in the chaos wastes mode they are surely going to add
tho i suppose they would just recycle the mortis trial perk
tranquil fjord
obtuse ruin
@livid raven @verbal dew thanks for the build recommendations btw! Those felt much more functional.
.. also I can see why people like gunscum now, shit felt fucking hilarious.
verbal dew
oh I forgot sticky hands on my images, but ye
muted pivot
It's a team game. And everyone should have their share of resources.
It's a team game, and your team should know how to properly allocate its resources
At least in high havoc
Not just all playing lone wolf and taking resources without a thought for what the team needs
mighty belfry
Can't get around that way of thinking cuz basically nerfing my teammates is a sure way for trouble
muted pivot
Not saying the Ogryn shouldn't take any
mighty belfry
And that's just not a good idea in Havoc lol
muted pivot
But they should let the scum refill first
livid raven
is not giving the grenade to the classes with absurd grenades nerfing the team
muted pivot
It's an error
mighty belfry
is not giving the grenade to the classes with absurd grenades nerfing the team
You want your team to be as self sufficient as they can be.
muted pivot
Along the same lines as having the Inferno Psyker focusing on the boss while the thunder hammer Zealot is working on the hordes
mighty belfry
If I see the ogryn at red and I'm at like
Two rockets
I don't need those rockets.
muted pivot
Yeah, better that the Ogryn has a panic button
mighty belfry
Nade pickups are frequent enough
And the ogryn could do with that panic button on their time instead of depending on me to do it
muted pivot
Anybody at 0 remaining has priority over anybody with at least 2
mighty belfry
Some people think the scum should just use all the nades at that moment and take them
Nah that's lame
muted pivot
But also scum should be using theirs more proactively than the others to deal with the fact that the others' are lower impact
You want as many of those grenade pickups as possible to turn into RPGs
mighty belfry
Actually had a zealot that was confused I wouldn't take the pickup when I was at 2 and he was at 0 yesterday lol
I guess it's also
I'd rather others actually have fun.
main trellis
Yeah, better that the Ogryn has a panic button
Its funny we live in times where we want ogryn of all classes to have a panic button
Really shows how much boi fell out
muted pivot
having a blitz in your back pocket can be the missing ingredient to a clutch
always good to have that option open
main trellis
having a blitz in your back pocket can be the missing ingredient to a clutch
I’m half serious
muted pivot
btw how do we build our rashads?
livid raven
with prejudice
muted pivot
headtaker bromentum and what? carapace unyielding?
verbal dew
take some nyquil and go to sleep
it's the best snooze in the game
shame that it has so many nice skins
low harbor
headtaker bromentum and what? carapace unyielding?
Unarmored carapace
muted pivot
what does unarmoured help with?
mighty belfry
what does unarmoured help with?
Bruiser
muted pivot
groovy
mighty belfry
Also, helps build up HV quicker.
muted pivot
that's to help get the kill without needing AF/rampage active I guess
low harbor
that's to help get the kill without needing AF/rampage active I guess
And to feed overkill for HV
muted pivot
I feel like needle pistol is unnecessary with how fantastic the carapace adm is on heavies
for rashad rampage scum
thinking of taking dual stubbies maybe, haven't used them before
muted pivot
I wanna do that in a desperado build
more than a rampage one
I love my zealot's mark 6, great complement to a chain axe
sturdy linden
I wanna do that in a desperado build
I tried it, didn't find it fun
because Desperado is gated by reload time
and bistol just doesn't have good reload time
maybe you might like it though
I've seen an agri shotty desperado scum do really well
muted pivot
how many ways to pump reload speed
maybe worth it to even take the perk?
if that's such an issue
marble seal
It works but it’s pretty much just slower less fun uzis
bronze glade
and bistol just doesn't have good reload time
It’s not that bad even with just the single reload speed talent tbh
Explodey bistol desperado is just hood traumaker
It’s very safe
Because everything is on the ground eating shit
sturdy linden
Explodey bistol desperado is just hood traumaker
I tried but it really didn't feel great
bronze glade
well whether you like it is subjective
vraks desperado is very strong, feels like ass to me tho
speaking of which, explodey bistol does have similar horde clear times to vraks
mighty belfry
i hadnt even realized you casually ate a sniper shot through this lmao
sturdy linden
vraks desperado is very strong, feels like ass to me tho
Honestly I only enjoy DAPs and to a lesser extent Shredder
keen sapphire
maybe worth it to even take the perk?
like 4 on scum
stimm, talent, blessing, and gun perk
keen sapphire
im damaging all over the place
tiny aurora
Someone told me in chat today that hive scum is a pay to win class 🤣
tiny aurora
brother, arbites is right there lol
mighty belfry
brother, arbites is right there lol
arbites is uh
novel oracle
yeah i know
doesnt compare to how buttfuck busted scum and psyker are
mighty belfry
idk if i can really say they're a pay to win class
novel oracle
arbites is easy mode but if you use 2 more brain cells hive scum clears it in every possible way
novel oracle
no you dont
mighty belfry
arbites is good for ease of use but their power has a really hard plateau
novel oracle
2 more brain cells is not that much of a difference
for like 3x the offensive power
tiny aurora
no you dont
when i play when sleepy i do dumb things
novel oracle
my point is that hive scum can pretty easily pull of some absolutely stupid shit with barely a thought
arbites cant, not because they require thinking, but because they dont have the same strength
keen sapphire
Someone told me in chat today that hive scum is a pay to win class 🤣
yea hive is a bit silly
"glass cannon" except you can be literally invincible
tiny aurora
yee only class though where ive felt the level 30 needed is for proper enjoyment
like hive scum with max level is awesome
but it was the most miserable grind to max level of all the classes for me
now its my most played class that's not ogryn
keen sapphire
but it was the most miserable grind to max level of all the classes for me
yeah it feels way weaker than psyker before 30
i was kinda regretting buying hiver but once i got to 30 and got actual builds its crazy
tiny aurora
Yee. Also it took awhile for me to find what worked weapons wise.
tiny aurora
i know
keen sapphire
which i suck with any weapons like that
tiny aurora
the feeling of hitting a mutie with a fully charged limbsplitter crowbar though
👌
also the squelch sound when you drive the pointy end into someone's head
untold sonnet
does needle damage perks affect dot? like 25% dmg against unyielding?
untold sonnet
I see. So I guess the perks would be-
low harbor
In-hand weapon’s perks always do
low harbor
Unyielding + reload
exotic temple
so slow and clunky
I found if you can get some hv stacks by swinging some heavies into a horde you can just rampage + m1 spam to win
That’s in the standard mode
keen sapphire
im damaging all over the place
also rest of the team for example
i think the 2nd guy is the one who left after getting hounded
mighty belfry
alright
final toll + garden
now topping my list for worst mix of havoc modifiers
lavish bronze
so slow and clunky
Have you ever had a crowbar in your hands
mighty belfry
can scum oneshot crushers with hsword
It can ™
But it requires hyperviolence setup to do it
neat delta
i got it in my build
mighty belfry
also highly recommend channeled aggression and rending stimms
or crit chance stimms
neat delta
oh its that much
neat delta
briandeadscumtime
mighty belfry
ritual and 21st
i'm p sure 21st is broken
mighty belfry
crashed earlier and one of the players mentioned happening to them like two times
vast ferry
oh really
mighty belfry
yeah...
Could be just coincidence but then the game I just did with Final Toll and Rits
Just fine
keen sapphire
i fucking love
dual pistol gun hiver
its so fucking fun to just be in an action movie
1 or 2 on gun build
i think 1 since its ranged and movement and not really melee
autumn thorn
dual pistol gun hiver
I went all chem with mine
but recently went back to shivs
and I don't think it's working so I should just go back to saw
zenith fern
1 or 2 on gun build
What a fine princess
My stupid ass forgetting to make my stimm lab for the crate build
lost ravine
1 or 2 on gun build
fellow cheetah print enjoyer
verbal dew
i hadnt even realized you casually ate a sniper shot through this lmao
yeah not the best time to dodge those so I was glad for the bulk there
keen sapphire
fellow cheetah print enjoyer
i like the goldness of it
gives a regal/queenly aesthetic
rotund agate
I myself like the Tread Lightlies colour scheme. it matches with the white Reaper Mask's scarf better. (and the Branx Minor Livery weapon skins match the theme better too, so the blood on my melees is actually visible unlike with Fire Wastes Camo, which I would use if I still were an Iron Rider)
nova valley
Iron Rider for the lore. Tread L for the colours.
high mirage
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1386740878697169039/1447573926845612244...
That pic always makes me sad
limber cradle
Iron Riders remind me of how I dressed in high-school ngl
Idk if that's a good thing
high mirage
Why is the doggy so dirty?
calm aurora
Idk if that's a good thing
❌
high mirage
Iron Riders remind me of how I dressed in high-school ngl
You wore an inquisition crotch ornament in highschool?
limber cradle
I wore a lot of red and black and dyed my hair red and black.
high mirage
No metal spiky bits? Then yeah it might not be the best thing
Jk red and black are always a safe colour combo
limber cradle
Yeah, metal spikes
Idk if you count studded belts as metal spikes
I do
I'm entirely sure you can envision the stereotype
compact oyster
I'm entirely sure you can envision the stereotype
high mirage
Idk if you count studded belts as metal spikes
They're the closest thing that's socially acceptable, so I do too
limber cradle
https://tenor.com/view/or-yehuda-edgy-or-yehuda-edgelord-gif-25925736
Yeah buddy
calm aurora
a good smyker is just a on demand shockmine
verbal dew
we won but it wasn't a fun game
calm aurora
we won but it wasn't a fun game
tox on crits?
verbal dew
ye and needler
calm aurora
you went chem dep or adrenaline?
and hammerblow... for cheapshots?
i would take hammerblow with skullcrusher but without it, not sure
mighty belfry
Chem dep
mighty belfry
Skullcrusher is OK but just
I didn't find it consistent
And you want to crit as much as possible to let hypercrit explode your horde clear to stupid levels
Hammerblow itself is just good cuz it gives scum a level of CC no other weapon really does. Not even axes are as good at staggering.
calm aurora
taxe
main trellis
we won but it wasn't a fun game
Thats pathetic dmg for a smiker; i revoke this fool
mighty belfry
Like don't get me wrong
Taxe is amazing regardless
But it does not give me the consistency of constantly stopping a crusher in its overhead
main trellis
we won but it wasn't a fun game
Wrath on Dclaw? If it was with rampage its pointless to take it - take SC
mighty belfry
Or stopping a rager before they can do their stupid combos
I didn't even know wrath was there. I run shred with hammerblow
Since crits contribute to stagger
And stagger cuts down hit mass which makes wrath honestly kinda redundant
...At least until you're dealing with ourple
astral canyon
zenith pagoda
I can see mobian and rituals in havoc, what was swapped out?
mighty belfry
Also has anyone experienced crashing in moebian
Cuz i did last night in my 40
And someone told me there's been crashes in moebian
So I'm worried I have a bricked Havoc mission
mighty belfry
Weird
verbal dew
I didn't even know wrath was there. I run shred with hammerblow
also I followed your guide 😢
mighty belfry
Mine is specifically final toll + moebian 21st
Maybe I'll try it again and see what happens
Oh no did I put wrath in the guide
verbal dew
I'll swap to shred then
mighty belfry
It was supposed to be shred
Ya
Shred is better
Barely less horde clear for better single target and stagger thresholds
Way more worth
mighty belfry
Hammerblow in a vast majority of cases
And I've used it on more classes after this
Is better
verbal dew
avg 40% crit throughout missions
mighty belfry
Because it also increases your cleave anyway
verbal dew
Mine is specifically final toll + moebian 21st
also I've done this one exactly
mighty belfry
Might have been just a gnarly coincidence on the other dudes part then
It was also weird because it was only two of us that crashed
But we also crashed at the same exact time
verbal dew
an ogryn crashed at the worst time in my last one that was garden 21st
so we lost because the only player not down was replaced with a bot
mighty belfry
Thanks 
verbal dew
also at the final stretch before elevator so even more unfort
unreal stirrup
darktide p2p when
mighty belfry
I guess I'll try my mission again and see what happens
Just glad I can't demote from it
main trellis
I didn't even know wrath was there. I run shred with hammerblow
I tested shred vs SC
The dmg vs key enemies like crushers & surprisingly bosses did not change much while obviously other enemies get killed faster cause HV but its still gamba
However SC provides more for the team especially vs bosses & it helps with other enemies too cause hammerblow & power stacking with rampage & stimm
I would advocate for SC > shred
main trellis
thorny ginkgo
should i make a tac axe rampage build, whats the consensus on that
mighty belfry
should i make a tac axe rampage build, whats the consensus on that
Extremely good.
thorny ginkgo
bet i’m tired of shivs
limber cradle
Its good alt flavor to shivs
I miss the throwing dagger when I use it tho
Love that thing
thorny ginkgo
ty for the information
zenith pagoda
Maybe stronger than shivs overall
Lol not even close
limber cradle
TAxe is a good melee on every class that gets it tbh
limber cradle
Tac axe is stupidly strong on this class
Is it me or are DT servers worse than normal rn
mighty belfry
Is it me or are DT servers worse than normal rn
I'm fairly certain the net code itself is just chalked rn
I was legit getting shot in my slides yesterday
limber cradle
The game feels fucking awful today, I played a little bit last night too and it felt bad
marble seal
New research has emerged from The Center for Hive Scum Builds after a 50million dollar 10 year study:
Shivs: explodes mauler in 0.1sec
Tac axe: explodes mauler in 0.1sec
Heavy sword: explodes mauler in 0.1 sec
limber cradle
Yes
mighty belfry
Ghost hits too.
And the sliding thing
That I have never seen happen as frequently as it has
bronze glade
Games felt worse since that 6GB update
How can the game feel even worse
When it’s already at rock bottom
limber cradle
Games felt worse since that 6GB update
It feels awful
Like
I got on DT to play the game and some havoc cause the ass modifiers rotated off
And now the game just feels terrible
Ty DT this is my last free day for awhile
thorny ginkgo
nvm
calm aurora
When it’s already at rock bottom
calm aurora
i guess we're turning dclaw into a blunt instrument
Dclaw has more impact blessings than thammer. Or crusher. Or maul.
mighty belfry
I tested shred vs SC
The dmg vs key enemies like crushers & surprisingly bosses ...
It just occurred to me
Oh my God pocket blackouts would be perfect with SC Dclaw
limber cradle
I really like pocket black outs for melee scum in general tbh
main trellis
Oh my God pocket blackouts would be perfect with SC Dclaw
Ye; i used those
limber cradle
Rocket feels like a gun scum pick to deal with cara to me.
bronze glade
Dclaw has more impact blessings than thammer. Or crusher. Or maul.
lol yeah just a maul in disguise
vapid jungle
Games felt worse since that 6GB update
Lots of weird ledging going on too. Like im being squeezed through the rails in the edge sometimes.
sturdy linden
Rocket feels like a gun scum pick to deal with cara to me.
I find it to be a good oh-shit button in general
sturdy linden
"Incoming elites from 12 o clock"
"Removing 12 o clock"
calm aurora
It's also quite useful to clear space for a dangerous revive
strange acorn
It's as useful as a tactical nuke would be (very)
zenith fern
Double barrel and crate supply is really fun together
zenith fern
limber cradle
Default fem character face tbh
lost ravine
Default fem character face tbh
only good one
lost ravine
unfortunate
sturdy linden
Double barrel and crate supply is really fun together
Build? 
pale python
For a melee build what's the best weapon? Is it shivs crowbar or the bone saw
pale python
Okay and what's the best secondary to pair with it?
sturdy linden
Okay and what's the best secondary to pair with it?
Needler, dual stubs, bistol, revolver all work
zenith fern
For a melee build what's the best weapon? Is it shivs crowbar or the bone saw
shivs, knife
zenith fern
I prefer knife so much more
limber cradle
Honorable mention for TAxe
lost ravine
I prefer knife so much more
shanky mark or slashy mark
limber cradle
I prefer knife so much more
I would prefer knife if I could throw it
Regrettably you can only throw shivs
lost ravine
shivs certainly feel less mobile
limber cradle
Tbf
zenith fern
Build? <:loregryn:1036580674741731379>
2x 3+ stamina and 1 toughness
lost ravine
but i also think they have better horde clear
olive yoke
anybody got a build for the bonesaw?
zenith fern
stimm is just this
lost ravine
it is but in particular i mean more like
zenith fern
I been trying finesse for first time and is honestly much better
zenith fern
You can like PA spam with mk6 knife with this build and does nasty job
including bosses on weakspots
lost ravine
it does indeed
sturdy linden
2x 3+ stamina and 1 toughness
Interesting, no cleave talent?
limber cradle
stimm is just this
I run almost the same stimm
sturdy linden
Ykw I have NEVER used the mk6 knife
limber cradle
I just path into movement too cause it feels so good
sturdy linden
I should try it
limber cradle
Interesting, no cleave talent?
I don't run it either tbh
olive yoke
bonesaw or shivs?
zenith fern
Interesting, no cleave talent?
Nope, you gotta use a lot PA and finesse stimm
You can like one tap groaners with it
zenith fern
bonesaw or shivs?
What build you going for
bronze glade
bonesaw or shivs?
Saw is way worse
olive yoke
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0a7a4b0-cf67-4b5c-9d53-d1d82e5cb955/bone-saw-is-readyyy i was going for this
zenith fern
Even still is a niche weapons sadly
olive yoke
bad at builds
this the tree from the link
im new and not sure how to build always bad at builds in games
bronze glade
this the tree from the link
Bottom right keystone
limber cradle
Or ammojack
olive yoke
i dont know im new
bronze glade
Just go adrenaline
limber cradle
If its bonesaw build it shouldn't need coated right
bronze glade
Also don’t take decapitator
olive yoke
ahh i dont even know where these abilitys are just pasted the link tree lol
bronze glade
If its bonesaw build it shouldn't need coated right
Yeah but its really weird investing so much in crit without coated
olive yoke
anybody got a good shiv build i can use? im so cooked at building
vapid jungle
Talents or perks/blessings?
olive yoke
Talents or perks/blessings?
all if possible heh
just really new and all builds i find online seem to have tons of problems
vapid jungle
Flakiac riposte precog/uncanny
limber cradle
I run this with Uncanny Riposte Shivs/Cara/Unyielding
vapid jungle
The weapons work with any build they are amazing
river burrow
just really new and all builds i find online seem to have tons of problems
If ya check in the pinned messages, there’s some great builds there too!
limber cradle
Sometimes I swap crit chance to melee damage
olive yoke
im sorry guys and thanks i just need something to work heh
limber cradle
You're fine
olive yoke
I run this with Uncanny Riposte Shivs/Cara/Unyielding
what does this feel like? i was using desperados but not a fan i love melee
vapid jungle
You don't miss the cleave on hit talent?
bronze glade
You’re not a true blender unless you run 9 stam with rampage adren on shivs!
limber cradle
You don't miss the cleave on hit talent?
Nah
olive yoke
https://tenor.com/view/relax-chill-%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80-bl...
peak and what do u use for stim?
vapid jungle
Ill try that always felt mandatory but maybe not!
olive yoke
sorry and thank you again :)) i really wanted to use shivs your a legends
oh hell yh movement buffs will be sick with this build
limber cradle
No need to apologize, and no problem.
gun is your personal taste
i run .45s with flak/maniacs/run and gun/sustained fire for style points
olive yoke
im curious on the needle gun or something i think its called that
limber cradle
i was given two hands and im using them both for my weapons
limber cradle
im curious on the needle gun or something i think its called that
needler is stupidly good
olive yoke
needler is stupidly good
hell yeah ima try it
olive yoke
good to know that you guys are awesome and willing to help people dumb with builds i appreciate it :))
olive yoke
i run mk1 shivs fwiw
yeah i will run the m1 for now
bronze glade
3 is better for blender memes
olive yoke
this is my current shivs
bronze glade
1 is the better mark overall
limber cradle
this is my current shivs
you wanna get 60 mobility 80 everything else fwiw
olive yoke
you wanna get 60 mobility 80 everything else fwiw
ohy so this wep is bad?
i guess get lucky for those rolls?
limber cradle
Its not bad, simply not optimal
zenith fern
holy cooldown
zenith fern
this is my current shivs
maybe swap riposte to precognition
limber cradle
I can keep it at 3 stacks pretty easily
olive yoke
you wanna get 60 mobility 80 everything else fwiw
this only possible with new weapon drops? like do i gotta get lucky or can i add those
olive yoke
maybe swap riposte to precognition
is it better?
olive yoke
Normally get em pretty fast
nice ty :))
limber cradle
olive yoke
i have plenty time anyway only on herasy atm
zenith fern
Shivs have high finesse value if i am right
olive yoke
imo riposte or precog
i will try both for sure :))
limber cradle
what blessings would be good for needle gun?
i think run and gun and stripped down are standard
zenith fern
Yes
olive yoke
first time using needle gun will have to unlock them easy 🙂
limber cradle
I don't see as many desp scum in the wild anymore
olive yoke
wait so get rid of it?
limber cradle
Maybe nature is healing
olive yoke
iw as but in mission with your build and already prefer its amazing
zenith fern
I don't see as many desp scum in the wild anymore
good
limber cradle
iw as but in mission with your build and already prefer its amazing
Glad you're enjoying yourself
olive yoke
yh for sure am! rampage is aweome
calm aurora
I don't see as many desp scum in the wild anymore
strange acorn
I started playing desperado but stimm build is legitimately some of the most fun I've had with this game
limber cradle
https://tenor.com/view/the-green-mile-gif-17328904180409510666
Of Desp? Me too
limber cradle
yeah its amazing im delighted i switched desperado was kind of boring
Agreed
Its very brain off which is good sometimes but not all the time
God I love Scum
Great class
mighty belfry
alright, I am up from my extended slumber
SC Dclaw with pocket blackouts and bistol
Let's see how this goes
limber cradle
Sleep or do you nap like i nap
limber cradle
3 hours at a time
mighty belfry
Sleep or do you nap like i nap
I couldn't sleep at least
limber cradle
yh i felt like i wasnt learning much now i got to as im in the thick of it heh
You weren't
zenith fern
Desperado is a dead trap
mighty belfry
shortly after I sent my last message here
olive yoke
or like me get 8 hours then have a nap hehehe
mighty belfry
And then I took a two hour nap
olive yoke
And then I took a two hour nap
hell yh
mighty belfry
The kinda nap that's left skidmarks on my face
zenith fern
Brother I like went to bed at midnight until 7am, then later I took a nap from 2pm until 6pm
mighty belfry
And I'm just letting coffee do its thing because I am one drowsy bitch rn
olive yoke
Brother I like went to bed at midnight until 7am, then later I took a nap from 2...
literaly my sleep every day xD
zenith fern
What night shifts does to a mf
mighty belfry
This week I had a a
olive yoke
What night shifts does to a mf
I USED TO ALSO WORK NIGHTS I HATED IT LEFT LAST MONTH
mighty belfry
Five hour nap
olive yoke
oof caps
zenith fern
But honestly it also how little or almost nothing is happening with me
mighty belfry
Because of a fever
zenith fern
There's so little activity irl and on discord and I just go like, why should I bother and decide to nap constantly
And then I remember I have work later
olive yoke
There's so little activity irl and on discord and I just go like, why should I b...
yup sleep worjk i hated it no life needed out
mighty belfry
Because of a fever
me noticing after the small nap that the sun is already setting
olive yoke
me noticing after the small nap that the sun is already setting
was it one of them naps where you wake up completely lost? xD
mighty belfry
honestly yeah
olive yoke
tbf they are the best ones haha
olive yoke
honestly yeah
face all dry with marks on your cheeks? xD
mighty belfry
this was the kinda fever actually felt like a dream
olive yoke
so used to naps now haha
limber cradle
What night shifts does to a mf
Love being awake and free at night, hate being awake and working
mighty belfry
i got delirious from how bad it was
and somehow
i got my havoc 40 assignment through that
olive yoke
Love being awake and free at night, hate being awake and working
it was the worst i did it for 2 years its brutal free at night is best you really do miss it once its gone
mighty belfry
and i almost didn't even remember that it happened
olive yoke
i got delirious from how bad it was
ah i hate that shii hope you feel better
mighty belfry
i got my havoc 40 assignment through that
thank you dayquil
mighty belfry
Have you ever used a high crit build at like 80% and then managed to miss four times?
Probability is a bitch.
limber cradle
From memory, no
zenith fern
Love being awake and free at night, hate being awake and working
Mfw I am awake, no activity with my friends happening during day but right as I am going to work they start hanging around on VC and play
Same timezones we share
mighty belfry
Because there's always a nonzero chance that will happen
zenith fern
Same
mighty belfry
Same thing with curio rewards
limber cradle
Because there's always a nonzero chance that *will* happen
I get that but like, christ
Give me a curio you greedy bastard game
mighty belfry
I
am on a task to get 21% health curios for all of my classes
currently my task is fruitless only having like
limber cradle
I'm trying to get a 2nd and 3rd 21 percent HP for Scum.rn
mighty belfry
4 across all of them
honestly
i run 20s
at least rn
i'm trying a different setup path recommended because when we were talking about the netcode
mighty belfry
he mentioned maxxing health might be a weird play solely because netcode is real fucky and ranged threats are more of an issue than they should be rn
which, i've seen this happening
mighty belfry
mfs are just straight up ignoring my slides sometimes
mighty belfry
Path reccomended me 3x hp curios yesterday lol
I do too, but I see why he's changed his tune, for right now specifically.
Because something is genuinely off about this game rn
limber cradle
Because something is genuinely off about this game rn
Water is wet type statement
mighty belfry
The water has never been more wet
Dude I'm seeing lag spikes, ghost hits, dcs and crashes galore
And again
GETTING SHOT WHILE SLIDING
YOU KNOW
THE THING THAT SHOULD LET ME DODGE THAT
verbal dew
I have two 21 and one 20 on my healthmaxxer scum
I wonder if I hit 200 health with a 21%
since I'm at 198 now
mighty belfry
You probably will
limber cradle
I love spawning into a mission with an already eaten wound
And no ammo in my mags
On fire
olive yoke
you peeps are cool :))
limber cradle
Yeah I like Goblin, they're alright.
mighty belfry
mighty belfry
i'm just a goober who likes this abusive videogame a little too much
woeful hill
you peeps are cool :))
limber cradle
Scum chat is tbh my favorite class chat
Little shitposty but not like zealot chat
Good info normally
olive yoke
this is only chat ive been in besides general heh
low harbor
Path reccomended me 3x hp curios yesterday lol
Yea I changed mine
olive yoke
lot of scum to be played before i do others
low harbor
Game is so chalked rn
mighty belfry
Yea I changed mine
tryin your idea next game i try
low harbor
I get shot while sliding (legally cannot occur according to game code)
low harbor
I’m now running
+17% toughness
+21% health x2
x80% gunner x3
+5% toughness x2
+12% stam regen x2
x88% block cost x2
Across all classes
olive yoke
im only new so i love it heh i dont understand alot of the stuff you all probably hate heh
low harbor
I’m now running
+17% toughness
+21% health x2
x80% gunner x3
+5% toughness x2
...
@limber cradle
mighty belfry
im only new so i love it heh i dont understand alot of the stuff you all probabl...
our only true advice, and this is pertaining to a completely different class
don't be a smyker
olive yoke
our only true advice, and this is pertaining to a completely different class
is it awful?
i have a 30 zealot and 15 veteran and now 25 scum
mighty belfry
is it awful?
people will be very unhappy that you're turning off the game for them
this is psyker btw
low harbor
I don’t mind it
olive yoke
people will be very unhappy that you're turning off the game for them
ohhhh ok so stay away gotcha heh
mighty belfry
and it teaches bad habits for a newer player
olive yoke
i think of all classes it interests me the least so thats good
i love the build tongs gave me with shivs its peak fun
mighty belfry
i think of all classes it interests me the least so thats good
omg a new player that didn't immediately gravitate to psyker
that's, actually surprising lmao
mighty belfry
Most new players go vet first
Do they?
olive yoke
that's, actually surprising lmao
Heh interesting! My first was zealoat looked too cool
mighty belfry
I feel like I've seen that more with psyker in recent time
Also I agree. Zealot's probably the best starter class all around.
low harbor
Arb is the best starter class
mighty belfry
Arb is the best starter class
You have to pay for that class.
olive yoke
I will do arb after hivescum i reckon
mighty belfry
Also I honestly kinda disagree.
olive yoke
I heard arb can teach really bad habits for new player so I went hive scumbag instead
Scum*
mighty belfry
Because zealot is easy to get into but punishing enough at times to make someone learn fundamentals.
Arb
You can just get away with so much in base game that you barely ever encounter that.
low harbor
Arb teaches u that u can get out of everything by staggering them
Vet teaches u that u can get out of everything with dps
Psyker teaches you can u can get out of everything by playing <50% of the game
thorny ginkgo
whoever said tac axe is the strongest melee knows balls
this was just a normal auric match
olive yoke
Psyker teaches you can u can get out of everything by playing <50% of the game
Ahh it sone.of those classes boring
mighty belfry
whoever said tac axe is the strongest melee knows balls
i said it was one of scum's strongest for sure
thorny ginkgo
psyker is the strongest class but majority of ppl can't play it right
low harbor
Ogryn teaches u brainrot
thorny ginkgo
at least the people i quickplay with
limber cradle
Ogryn teaches u brainrot
Ogryn players crying about being the weakest class
Genuinely drives me insane
thorny ginkgo
ogryn has one of the top 3 strongest builds in the game
most brain dead build at that it doesn't require much skill
low harbor
ogryn has one of the top 3 strongest builds in the game
Nah
low harbor
the pmaul rumbler isn't up there in havoc?
Compared to other classes? No
zenith fern
Ogryn players crying about being the weakest class
Human players*
thorny ginkgo
damn
low harbor
You need someone to feed you ammo and you can’t frontline as good
thorny ginkgo
guess it depends on team comp
low harbor
Well
thorny ginkgo
but the frontline on that build is caca
low harbor
If u have 2 people feeding u ammo + a psyker
U can make it work
I just wouldn’t call it top3
thorny ginkgo
whats ur top 3 for havoc
low harbor
T0: psyker, ranged hvs
T1: vet, melee hvs, chemist hvs, ranged rumbler og
T1.5: arb, melee og, zealot
T2: ranged non-rumbler og
This is overall
thorny ginkgo
yea i agree
exotic sphinx
How do you use the crowbar well, it seems to suck in both modes in my hands
low harbor
How do you use the crowbar well, it seems to suck in both modes in my hands
Wats ur build
exotic sphinx
Leveling up still, only 18
low harbor
Oh then it’ll prob just suck lol
low harbor
Crowbar is ok with a full melee spec build
zenith fern
You can do very funny stuff with rampage crowbar, outside of it is a sad weapon
obtuse ruin
I have once again come to ask for build advice!
I specifically need a more melee focused build for the penances with adrenaline frenzy and rampage. What additions to the keystone and ability should I take? If any?
secondary question, shivs work for that kinda build right?
zenith fern
Any melee can work for rampage maybe except bonesaw
bronze glade
I’d say saw wants rampage tbh
Like cbar it needs every melee buff it can get
Especially for attack speed
zenith fern
Shout rampage is also good
Maybe even busted after exhaustion removal lmao
Though the second shout does not work for some reason
mighty belfry
Though the second shout does not work for some reason
Fixed.
bronze glade
I thought they fixed it
zenith fern
Was it?
mighty belfry
Yeah.
zenith fern
I been playing crate supply lately so I did not know
low harbor
Will FatShark release a hotfix that fixes the stutters this week
Or will they just stay radio silent
zenith fern
Bet on nothing
obtuse ruin
would this work? Or did I do some major fuckup with the ability and keystone?
low harbor
would this work? Or did I do some major fuckup with the ability and keystone?
Take adrenaline smiter
obtuse ruin
instead of uncontrolled I'm guessing then?
low harbor
What’s uncontrolled
obtuse ruin
increases stack duration
low harbor
Yea that one not needed
20s duration upgrade good
Can also go smiter + toughness replenishment
obtuse ruin
I could, but I'm also partially doing this for penances as normally I'd be running dependency. So I think the extra duration might be nice for that
and the ability? Shout and increased duration seemed pretty good
limber cradle
Human players*
Idk dude I look in Og chat and I consistently see them whining
zenith fern
Like the Ogryn "players" or actual players
limber cradle
Depends on what you consider Og chat regulars ig
zenith fern
Most of us there are chill
And we like to talk about the people who claim Ogryn is the worst class lol
lost ravine
ogryn is at least top 6 classes
mighty belfry
I mean. You can say it is. But I think it's overblown how worse it actually is
thorny ginkgo
ogryn>zealot>arbites>vet>scum>psyker
mighty belfry
Ogryn's still perfectably usable. But there's some pretty big drawbacks to playing them that their current level of power isn't fully making up for rn ime
Also
Nuke
thorny ginkgo
ogryn just needs better toughness replenishment
zenith fern
I want his weapons still buffed still
Mainly the cleavers and twin link
I love cleavers but it so weak on carapace
lost ravine
zealot bad?
thorny ginkgo
scum does melee way better
lost ravine
melee scum is like zealot without seatbelts
mighty belfry
Like in a vacuum, they def are on the lower end
lost ravine
but that's not exactly accurate of me to say either
mighty belfry
But, a player who knows what they're doing with that can also make them excel
lost ravine
because while there is undeniably some overlap between the two
thorny ginkgo
if you are competent with dodging and the basics then scum is top tier
lost ravine
there is also more that they do not have in common
mighty belfry
Like, Scum is also about sustained DPS
Zealot is on the complete opposite end where they can be all about pure burst damage.
Barring chorus obv
limber cradle
I’m now running
+17% toughness
+21% health x2
x80% gunner x3
+5% toughness x2
...
Tbh I was gonna 2 do HP and 1 stam or toughness and see how it goes
thorny ginkgo
zealot is my least played class
lost ravine
scum is my least played class by virtue of being the last one to release (as of yet)
but it is certainly enjoyable
limber cradle
Ive still played more scum than zealot even with it being the newest class
I didn't like zealot at all till relic blade
thorny ginkgo
scum is more fun than snorefest "inferno" psyker
lost ravine
i liked zealot since mkxv evis
limber cradle
I had really bad memories of evis so I never used it+took a year or so break
thorny ginkgo
Ive still played more scum than zealot even with it being the newest class
same my zealot is level 62 lmao
near mauve
relic blade made me use shroudfield in the first place
mighty belfry
and shockingly one of my most consistent too
near mauve
i only ever used it for meme thunder hammer builds
now why even bother using thunder hammer when i can do the same with rb
(outside of fun factor)
limber cradle
I think you're just using this as an excuse to post your name.
thorny ginkgo
limber cradle
(outside of fun factor)
I hate thammer I'm ngl
lost ravine
cursed
mighty belfry
tbf it does lack in raw unyielding damage like the thunder hammer has
but
i'd rather relic anyway
better feeling moveset
near mauve
I hate thammer I'm ngl
its fun but just feels outdated with the pace of the game lol
mighty belfry
way better for mixed horde
lost ravine
thunder hammer made me sad when i realized that it does not distribute pain equally
limber cradle
Its just not my kind of gimmick, I've never liked thammer
lost ravine
it simply overkills the hell out of the first target hit and then launches the rest
mighty belfry
and it's not so much worse with bossing that it's a throwaway cuz of it
esp since it can skip captains
which is huge in havoc
near mauve
here's how to horde clear with thammer
u bring a falmer and vaccum ammo
thnaks for coming to my ted talk
limber cradle
which is huge in havoc
I like when someone has thammer fwiw
thorny ginkgo
flamer everlasting flame
lost ravine
thammer has always been weird
limber cradle
Thammer zealot is great in havoc cause there's a fuckton of bosses
mighty belfry
I like when someone has thammer fwiw
dont get me wrong, a good thammer zealot
lost ravine
single target? heavy
multitarget? heavy
near mauve
thammer simply needs the shock aoe from sm2 
mighty belfry
can really make a diff
near mauve
or power maul
mighty belfry
but then a good relic zealot
can also make a diff
in a more generally applicable way
olive yoke
i love my hivescum
thorny ginkgo
this class sucks should've been admech
limber cradle
Me too buddy
woeful hill
limber cradle
Oh the joys of a cat
woeful hill
limber cradle
Agreed
limber cradle
Malice
low harbor
Tbh I was gonna 2 do HP and 1 stam or toughness and see how it goes
I kinda like stam regen + block cost more than +stam
low harbor
basically
2x stam regen + 2x block cost means
every 1s you spend regenerating stamina
ur getting 1.6 equivalent stamina for blocking
which helps more for kiting enemies u actually want to block in my experience
low harbor
and u get stamina back faster for block/push
limber cradle
and u get stamina back faster for block/push
Whenever I am permitted the chance to use it I'll lyk
low harbor
Whenever I am permitted the chance to use it I'll lyk
also I sorta found a gigachad weapon
chainaxe XII (it's the better of the two chainaxes)
low harbor
chainaxe XII is like
what if eviscerator XV didn't suck vs mixed horde
and waoh it works
limber cradle
I don't use Evis either tbh
low harbor
chainaxe also has insane block profile