oh does it parry completely?
#hivescum-class
mighty belfry
If you time it right
verbal dew
might try in psyk
mighty belfry
Yeah it's worth practicing
verbal dew
I died in a later run and was watching the zealot with a knife trying to make its way through the horde
I felt bad for them seeing how little they did
meanwhile I cut through them like butter when I get going
I sometimes miss jittery
verbal dew
I've not been missing pickpocket at least as long as you got a vet in your party
mighty belfry
I'd say it might be worth trading hv for jittery if you wanna go that route?
Idk
I wasn't intending to have it but, it actually felt like it was putting in work
Because of the strike down in the light chain
verbal dew
I am debating removing forge's bellow for it
mighty belfry
I personally like Forge's a lot
But I can see that being a good choice
Since you have rockets and a very stagger heavy melee weapon
verbal dew
yeah I think I often don't trigger rampage for the stagger either, so I prob waste it at times
mighty belfry
It's the second stagger I really like it for if I'll be real
Very nice QoL utility
verbal dew
yeah def
mighty belfry
And I run 3 health curios now so with Rampage if I wasn't corrupted, I'm not going to take nearly enough corruption to hit my next wound if a BoN eats me
Since I'll just get spit out at the end.
Tanked like four poxbursters that game I posted too lmao
verbal dew
I've done 2 health 1 toughness, I mostly just went with that for my auric games before havoc but then never swapped it out
mighty belfry
I've been feeling
Really comfy with all health
You really feel having more than 200 health honestly
Esp since you get more out of health curios than toughness with scum since they don't have the biggest toughness pool to begin with
And Havoc hurts that even further.
verbal dew
yeah I'm gonna do full health curios now, didn't get a 21 for last so it's a 20 instead
ok lets give this a try in h40
mighty belfry
Just gotta be real mindful of guns and not overextend yourself
verbal dew
ok that team was not good, arby downed themselves after like 20 secs and psyker was RMB electro staff
I wonder if I already miss forge's bellow lol
mighty belfry
Lmao
verbal dew
yeah this one felt real good
verbal dew
Tanked like four poxbursters that game I posted too lmao
I tanked 2 or 3, teammate died next to me and I kept going
mighty belfry
Well. Fatscum is real
A new meta may be in the horizon.
Cuz honestly it actually feels tanky
But kinda in the ogryn way where guns are your biggest problem but
You also have a class that can evade gunfire the best so
verbal dew
yeah and the toughness regen on ranged hit + emergency 50% toughness on broken
verbal dew
yeah the amount of straight DR you get is a lot
mighty belfry
It suffices
mighty belfry
Yeah that was the first thing someone mentioned in that game I was in
They didn't even know Scum's health pool could be over 200 in havoc lol
Also something really nice I noticed about hammerblow on dclaw
It can straight up cancel salvos from reapers
distant oracle
any of yall have any goon chemical dependency builds that can use the combat knife, im having trouble using anything that isnt this low stim cd one that spams the medipack off cd
if this isnt the place to ask then mb
mighty belfry
This is in fact the place.
Are you using sample collector and something that inflicts a lot of toxin?
distant oracle
its hard to learn what the build crafting theory is lol
distant oracle
Are you using sample collector and something that inflicts a lot of toxin?
im getting most of my toxin damage from the medipck explosion and that needle gun
brittle sierra
any of yall have any goon chemical dependency builds that can use the combat kni...
Goon chemistry? 
brittle sierra
I have a crate build one sec
mighty belfry
im getting most of my toxin damage from the medipck explosion and that needle gu...
Are you also using the blue mode on your needler?
distant oracle
for hordes yes
distant oracle
on the pistol?
mighty belfry
There's your problem lol
distant oracle
are you supposed to have a minimum stim setup?
mighty belfry
That's the one you don't want to use.
mighty belfry
Because mk6 blue mode is the explosive toxin
distant oracle
well the one with blue aoe
mighty belfry
Mk2 is the spreadable aoe toxin
distant oracle
is there a difference for the yellow mode?
mighty belfry
-1 extra toxin dot on crit or weakspot
In pins, you'll see the differences.
Basically, mk6 is better for single target but the blue mode isn't very good.
Mk2 is worse for single target but blue mode can actually snowball into a lot of toxin dots
Marginally worse, mind you. It's still perfectly usable.
distant oracle
ok
distant oracle
are you supposed to have a minimum stim setup?
but also this?
distant oracle
hold on lemme just ss the talent tree
distant oracle
ah no images allowed
distant oracle
i see
i mean ig what are the must have nodes in the mean time in case im missing something
mighty belfry
If anything, feel free to dm me if you want
distant oracle
your dms are closed lol
mighty belfry
Huh
distant oracle
ngl
verbal dew
I've been dead in this h40 over 5 mins now because of unlucky spawns and like 5 bosses
mighty belfry
Oh jeez
verbal dew
we won at least so it's good
sturdy linden
I think people really like it
for some reason
I have no idea why because I feel it's absolute dogshit
keen sapphire
man hive so crazy strong fr fr
genuinely dont know why they buffed
auric aint even remotely difficult
not enough enemies
bronze glade
psyker moment
remote tree
does mobility matter on hive scum weapons? or can it be kept at 60
exotic temple
Mob is usually the dump stat on most weapons
remote tree
ok ty ty
remote tree
Is Hyper-Violence good? Im a bit confused about the wording
bronze glade
yes
bronze glade
Is Hyper-Violence good? Im a bit confused about the wording
it enables stuff like this
remote tree
so if you oneshot someone you can get a damage buff?
remote tree
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1455175937988759654/W...
ty for video btw
keen sapphire
Is Hyper-Violence good? Im a bit confused about the wording
its just a chance to oneshot humans* basically
it is pretty good but you probably wont directly notice it proccing
remote tree
ok ty gamers
bronze glade
its just a chance to oneshot humans* basically
that's hypercrit
bronze glade
so if you oneshot someone you can get a damage buff?
yeah a quarter of the overkill damage is transferred to your next melee attack within 1s
from kuli's guide
keen sapphire
that's hypercrit
o i misread
remote tree
tysm
tardy cedar
Is there a good dual stub pistol build for Hiver that is viable into mid-range Havocs up to 30?
unique spire
Is there a good dual stub pistol build for Hiver that is viable into mid-range H...
Yes
It's called "picking Pickpocket"
tardy cedar
Yes
This is the only really visible one on GameLantern
but I prefer a.a or Ainz builds
unique spire
Always be careful on Gameslantern
It's like trying to search on Fandom about the game
tardy cedar
Always be careful on Gameslantern
That's why I prefer Ainz or a.a lol
or Path
but there's no good pinned guide for Hiver yet
unique spire
It's full of builds made my amateurs that don't know how to make good builds
mint birch
It's full of builds made my amateurs that don't know how to make good builds
So that one is bad?
I try to look at the upvotes
but yeah most ppl are shit so prolly nto a good idea lmao
bronze glade
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a077be66-a1c9-4623-aa8c-3ce4af979bbd/cr...
this is the veteran squad leader of hiv builds
bronze glade
I try to look at the upvotes
the upvotes are a really good indication
that the build is shit
mint birch
the upvotes are a really good indication
Hey but the name and image are fun though
SOmeone needs to make the Hunter Biden's build
bronze glade
Hey but the name and image are fun though
i'm willign to bet that's exactly why it's popular
not because the build is good lol
keen sapphire
Is there a good dual stub pistol build for Hiver that is viable into mid-range H...
i have my own build thats a bit silly and seems pretty good
mint birch
Btw is you guys running only 50% viscosity Stims intendeed or you arte just leaving 15 point for people to get?
Cuz of the CD i assume
idk
unique spire
tardy cedar
this is the veteran squad leader of hiv builds
I'm already using a 2 good builds I think one from you for tox pistol, one from Ainz
but I really want a decent dual stub
tardy cedar
i have my own build thats a bit silly and seems pretty good
I will investigate ty
tardy cedar
i'm willign to bet that's exactly why it's popular
and yeh the "popular" gamelantern builds piss me off
"High Havoc" -> doesn't work on Auric lol
keen sapphire
i have made my build so any psychos can copy my insanity
i forgot to mention since its a crit build you can just be literally invincible for like a few minutes with vultures dodge
mighty belfry
"High Havoc" -> doesn't work on Auric lol
"High havoc"
"Don't worry about (this thing) because that's what you have (other thing) for"
Builds that say high havoc on gameslantern usually have some massive drawback
and then say "hey you have an inferno psyker so you don't need to worry about horde clear!"
or some dumb shit like that
If it's not generalist in some sense.
It's probably not a very good high havoc build.
tardy cedar
I just want to stop using Needle pistol for 5 minutes and enjoy something off-meta without it being shit
and shivs are giving me carpal tunnel lol
mighty belfry
and shivs are giving me carpal tunnel lol
I mean
It does have needler
but I've been running a dclaw build that's actually pretty fun and is actually getting some results
spice cloud
I just want to stop using Needle pistol for 5 minutes and enjoy something off-me...
Maybe just…you know… melee?
nova valley
and yeh the "popular" gamelantern builds piss me off
Dunno man. Seems to me that everyone is making builds and criticise others. And in the end, except for some rare cases, it's all the same. If it works for you, run it, and don't mind whoever complains about it
brittle sierra
I just want to stop using Needle pistol for 5 minutes and enjoy something off-me...
You have lots of range options
Like explosive bistol 😈
brittle sierra
mighty belfry
Maybe I should honestly 🤔
tardy cedar
Maybe just…you know… melee?
I already have 2 melee builds?
both of those builds on screen shot use Adren frenzy
brittle sierra
Range Scum should have been gungryn change my mind
spice cloud
I already have 2 melee builds?
Im not sure what u mean with off meta honestky all guns are very strong on scum
brittle sierra
Ogryns have big pockets
spice cloud
Needler is just super broken thats prolly why they feel
“Weak” to you.
mighty belfry
Needler itself isn't really the broken thing. Other than toxin maybe needing a bit of an adjustment to ADMS for carapace and unyielding
brittle sierra
Nah Needle is strong but it doesn't do anything with Desperado except the auto load
Vraks is just a monster
spice cloud
Needler is absurdly broken.
mighty belfry
Needler is absurdly broken.
It really isnt 
brittle sierra
But explosive BISTOL is the meta 😈
spice cloud
It really isnt <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
It really is
Imo
Prolly the most broken shit they created so far imo
mighty belfry
Holy shit
That is
I dunno man
Like, I get that it's gigabroken with pickpocket
There's no denying that
spice cloud
I could do a havoc 40 with nothing but a needler and never pull out my melee
spice cloud
You cannot do that without it.
Yeah but its 1 talent point
spice cloud
As long as its in the game the needler will be utterly broken
Come on now
Who doesnt abuse pickpocket?
mighty belfry
Who doesnt abuse pickpocket?
Me.
mighty belfry
I haven't ran pickpocket in weeks at this point
But my point is
The actual gun
Isn't terribly overpowered.
mighty belfry
Pickpocket, needs to go or get a fat nerf.
And I don't say that just for the needler either
spice cloud
Yeah but other guns arent as noticeable imo
mighty belfry
There's quite a few guns that are extremely abusable with pickpocket
mighty belfry
Yeah but other guns arent as noticeable imo
Go into an auric with a Vraks desperado scum
You will change your tne
Immediately.
mint birch
Is this a good roll to level up?
spice cloud
Go into an auric with a Vraks desperado scum
Yeah
mighty belfry
It is disgusting how broken that thing is
spice cloud
Its just that the guns are atleast kinda slowed down by armor
But then again rockets exist
spice cloud
But with needler that not an issue at all
exotic temple
Is this a good roll to level up?
No ammo is the one thing you don’t want to dump
spice cloud
Thats my point
mint birch
No ammo is the one thing you don’t want to dump
tardy cedar
Im not sure what u mean with off meta honestky all guns are very strong on scum
I didn't say they're weak
Both Ainz and other build lean on chem stack nodes
for the dclaw/needle combo
so I want a build that hits the important nodes for the stub pistols
that I can experiment with
mint birch
No ammo is the one thing you don’t want to dump
Something like this then?
exotic temple
Something like this then?
Yeah that’s serviceable but damage power and stab are all basically meaningless on the np
The dmg all comes from the toxin stacks
mint birch
Yeah that’s serviceable but damage power and stab are all basically meaningless ...
Even like this ?
like this low *
spice cloud
that I can experiment with
I usually just do a despi build
mint birch
(haven t played with it yet)
exotic temple
like this low *
Yeah the dmg is for the actual projectile which nearly nonexistent
mint birch
Yeah the dmg is for the actual projectile which nearly nonexistent
Oh nice. Thanks!
keen sapphire
That doesn't make the gun itself completely broken
the gun is p broken still
wouldnt e as op wiuthout pickpocket but like
its still very sxtrong
like
compare it to revolver
mighty belfry
...Revolver?
keen sapphire
similar strength but revolver takes actual aiming
whereas needle is just hit anywhere and its good enough
mighty belfry
Yeah. But it takes time to kick in. Needle pistol by itself is not great at dealing with constant pressure because the damage is tied to a DoT
Issue is more the toxin just being really, really, really potent against carapace and unyielding.
Like, when I use shivs
I don't like needle pistol at all actually
Because that time it takes to kick in actually matters when you have a spawn of specialists relentlessly harassing you
I say
"By itself" specifically
calm aurora
Because that time it takes to kick in actually matters when you have a spawn of ...
Here comes the bazooka
mighty belfry
Because pickpocket then pretty much throws that out the window
Weapon is supposed to be balanced around having a limited ammo supply and being slow to kick in
And then there's a node
That undoes every single drawback
When I use needle pistol, I don't run pickpocket, and when I can't fruitfully spam needles at every target
I actually do start to notice the drawbacks
exotic temple
They just need to make vulture stacks last 12 secs standard and make pp a vulture mark node
mighty belfry
They just need to make vulture stacks last 12 secs standard and make pp a vultur...
Or give pickpocket a really big cooldown
And only proc on melee
keen sapphire
Yeah. But it takes time to kick in. Needle pistol by itself is not great at deal...
just run stamina regen and sprint efficiency on each curio and keep running away while you just wait for enemies to die
its like the safest playstyle in the game
mighty belfry
just run stamina regen and sprint efficiency on each curio and keep running away...
You will eventually run out of ammo doing this, without pickpocket
keen sapphire
yeah but thats also every gun still
mighty belfry
Don't get me wrong. I do think the carapace and unyielding ADMs could get toned down
mighty belfry
yeah but thats also every gun still
Don't you think this just makes the point that it's not actually that powerful without that specific talent then?
keen sapphire
being able to snipe with 100% accuracy from any distance is crazy
keen sapphire
Don't you think this just makes the point that it's not actually that powerful w...
ok but again comparing to revolver
which is similar strength~
exotic temple
I wish the adms would be toned down so the purple mode on bonesaw was useful
keen sapphire
its a lot riskier and takes a lot more skill
needler is an insanely safe weapon for basically free kills
calm aurora
I don't have runs ruined by needle pickpocket users. DAP desperado on the other hand...
mighty belfry
needler is an insanely safe weapon for basically free kills
You're really overestimating how much ammo the needle pistol actually has
keen sapphire
You're really overestimating how much ammo the needle pistol actually has
ive been running it
its got like 100~ total shots
lavish bronze
Or give pickpocket a really big cooldown
10 minute cooldown
keen sapphire
1 body shot kills most specialists/elites
i think 2 or 3 kills a crusher but 4 is fastest
mighty belfry
One body shot does, but this is where the issue lies
They have to succumb to the DoT
And that, takes time.
keen sapphire
ok yeah but again if u run stamina regen and sprint eff you can literally just infinitely avoid them
not to mention stamina stimm
like i had seen a hiver during havoc where everyone else died and they just spent like
2 minutes going in a circle using needler
keen sapphire
idk if they had pickpocket
mighty belfry
That does not sound like someone not running pickpocket.
keen sapphire
i couldnt see
mighty belfry
If they have their needler out constantly, firing without any thought?
Yeah 100% that's a pickpocket user
keen sapphire
they were firing it pretty sparingly
like only using 1 or 2 shot on each enemy
well
not horde enemies
elites/specials they were kiting
mint birch
Anyone that can link a nice build with the Needle gun ? Im looking at Reginald's one but now im scared
mint birch
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0ac419b-1985-4d3c-abd8-cd6821281205/pa...
THanks!
hollow hill
Hey lads anyone given E's parry build or something similar ago yet?
distant oracle
do you normally dump dammage on the needle gun?
ive got one with stopping power dumped atm
keen sapphire
i think damage and stopping power both do basically nothing on it
since its thing is chem stacks and not the actual bullet
sturdy linden
oh boy.
AND a stealth zealot
this is either gonna go wonderfully or be the most toxic game I've ever played
zenith fern
Valid crashout tbh
sturdy linden
I should know better than to play on weekend nights
low harbor
I should know better than to play on weekend nights
This looks ok?
sturdy linden
no we still lost lmao
sturdy linden
idk he was a stealth zealot just doing his own thing
mighty belfry
That is like, the thing they're supposed to be good at not doing
sturdy linden
and getting floored for it
out of all of them I think the Psyker was probably the most sensible
low harbor
Today I found out that relic with block cost curio can actually block plague ogryn charge and just be fine
sturdy linden
I really loathe stealth zealots ngl
low harbor
Also I don’t rly get all the extra info needed for scoreboard tbh
Mine is super minimalist
sturdy linden
Also I don’t rly get all the extra info needed for scoreboard tbh
need some way to feel good about my losses
mighty belfry
I really loathe stealth zealots ngl
wow
sturdy linden
otherwise I'd only keep the defense stats and the last 4 lines
mighty belfry
😢
low harbor
need some way to feel good about my losses
I only have 5 lines lol https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1185515538475134998/1473558007886647296/20CB1F1.JPG?ex=699a99d6&is=69994856&hm=92cf07151a37e0adab85d324fb872e09c5a99d32ce8ea2368260be447da05194&
sturdy linden
wow
it is what it is, they're either so good they make the game annoying, or so dogshit they make the game annoying
unfortunately no middle ground
low harbor
Stealth zealot is pretty divisive
mighty belfry
Honestly it's the good ones I actually like playing with
zenith fern
I only have 5 lines lol https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/11855155384751349...
why is your game so dark?
Literal dark tide
sturdy linden
Darkest Tide
low harbor
why is your game so dark?
Its screenshot taken from steam recording vod
mighty belfry
When the Tide is Dark
low harbor
Honestly it's the good ones I actually like playing with
I think shroud is zealot’s highest value ult for havoc tbh
mighty belfry
I think shroud is zealot’s highest value ult for havoc tbh
i agree
low harbor
It’s the one thing they do definitively better than everybody else
mighty belfry
Captain skip & boss chunking
That, and also being able to hunt specialists with inpunity
sturdy linden
Unfortunately the ones I come across are aggro dumping suicide bombers
mighty belfry
When I hear a tox bomber
The first fucking thing I'm doing is popping ult to find that fucker
low harbor
That, and also being able to hunt specialists with inpunity
It’s kinda hard to beat vet at anti-specialist/gunner
mighty belfry
It’s kinda hard to beat vet at anti-specialist/gunner
maybe gunner
but i've beat out vets at specialist counts
low harbor
I’m not talking about scoreboard
mighty belfry
because there's always the specialists they cant exactly aim for in a high pressure situation
ofc you're not
but my thing is, stealth zealot's ability to hunt specialists in places other classes normally can't under pressure
is huge
low harbor
Unfortunately the ones I come across are aggro dumping suicide bombers
Most players aren’t good at the game
Across all the games we’ve played I think I’ve only ever seen 1 competent player and it’s the zealot guy we were playing with while both of us were lagging
sturdy linden
I counted 8 times in 2 games today where the game didn't let me dodge despite command given due to Ogryn's dodge delay and zero dodge linger
Got me netted twice, dogged once, overhead twice, boss stomped once, mutie grabbed twice
Real fun design
low harbor
I think game netcode just died tonight
mighty belfry
So I'm not the only one
low harbor
I also think it’s very funny that somehow someway the mk6 boltpistol is legit a top tier gun for zealot, arb and hive scum
mighty belfry
The game's felt fuckin horrible today
low harbor
So I'm not the only one
I can show u my lagging clip tonight it was so funny
I lagged for a solid 30 seconds
With no error 2014 or other
mighty belfry
I also think it’s very funny that somehow someway the mk6 boltpistol is legit a ...
not because of its merit as a ranged weapon funny enough
low harbor
not because of its merit as a ranged weapon funny enough
Well
Lethal prox
And
Explosive stagger helps shut down shotgunner waves and gunners
Also staggers flamer and trapper
mighty belfry
It's a utility stick
low harbor
With lethal prox it has 6.25m explosion stagger radius
Which hits way more things than what cleave would get u
low harbor
Nah I think psyker is just 3 guns
Vraks 5
Laspistol 2
Recon
And really only Vraks 5 for the most part
The other 2 don’t compete
mighty belfry
Well you just use those over there while I get a headpop on a trapper that I didn't even shoot 
low harbor
Laspistol is only 0.29m/s faster than Vraks 5 sprint bonus but is much worse dps and doesn’t synergize with psyker kit as good
mighty belfry
Because the explosive radius procced flayer
verbal dew
shredder is prob my fav psyker gun for bosses
sturdy linden
I love its sound
low harbor
Well you just use those over there while I get a headpop on a trapper that I did...
It’s pretty funny but not that great in the grand scheme of things
Assail op
SG + DD op
Psyker op
low harbor
Ofc not, assail just happens to double FGS’s horde clear and doesn’t need subnode to function
nova valley
does vultures dodge count as like
I stopped using it as it seemed like it was not working. At least, not when I needed it
tardy cedar
in relative terms, it's garbage
what about in quantum terms?
livid raven
Shredder, iag vraks and dual uzis do it better
livid raven
what about in quantum terms?
it's so so
but really, the vraks does everything braced does but better
also you are talking about desperado/pickpocket builds i hope
tardy cedar
also you are talking about desperado/pickpocket builds i hope
Yes, I wanted something similar to this
livid raven
the shredder is one of the best for a desperado builds
tardy cedar
I'm not sure I've built it right though
livid raven
if you want a slower, more clunkier but stronger option, use the vraks
livid raven
i think pinning fire instead of cavalcade
tardy cedar
I used Ainz desperado build as basis but Ainz uses double barrel shottie
and I used a.a.'s shredder build
for gun
I'll swap to pinning fire
livid raven
i suggest going with unload and hypercritical instead of the ammo jack line
zenith fern
Ah yes, more 5 bullets in the mag
tardy cedar
Ah yes, more 5 bullets in the mag
I think Ainz has it on build for double barrel because it works there
but I'm trying to repurpose for shredder
tardy cedar
Ok made those changes
livid raven
i'd remove focused resolve
tardy cedar
I feel like Tertium welcome also unecessary here
livid raven
yeah
livid raven
imo, either tertium or precision violence
tardy cedar
I'll keep precision for combat blade
livid raven
depends if you want some toughness regen when you can't shoot or if you want to be slightly better against crushers
tardy cedar
I could switch to dclaw or something else but I want to test with combat blade first
tardy cedar
depends if you want some toughness regen when you can't shoot or if you want to ...
Tghness regen better
Should I add Cheap Shots to boost stagger damage from Pinning Fire?
livid raven
this is the skeleton done imo, you can either take more defensive stuff (slipper customer is great imo and the sweet spot is decent on shredder irrc)
tardy cedar
Should I add pickpocket back in from ammo jack line just to keep up continuous fire?
livid raven
yeah of course, you go with unload and hypercritical because it costs one less talent point but you still take pickpocket
i'd also take vulture's dodge
tardy cedar
I don't have the spare point for dodge if I take slippery customer there
livid raven
it depends on what you want to sacrifice, on a similar build i sacrificed patient hunter for it
and sacrificed precision violence, float like a butterfly and something else to get sample collector
and calling for a time out
i did this in my shredder build
tardy cedar
ty
livid raven
arguably you can remove patient hunter and quick and deadly for something else too if you wanted
livid raven
for the stimm i'd suggest either strength and agility or cd only
livid raven
owned
livid raven
also dclaw is fun, but this build has no way to actually hurt crushers other than melee and rockets
tardy cedar
@livid raven Yeh those changes were much better
run with the original build the Shredder was doing damage but not enough kills
second time with those changes I was getting more kills and much more quickly
livid raven
it is goated with the sauce
tardy cedar
the stagger can actually be annoying though because I knock down maulers and gunners rather than killing sometimes lol
livid raven
you should see it in mortis trials with deathdealer/emperor's chosen
nova valley
i did this in my shredder build
Mine is similar. I got attack speed and strength on the stimm, and dependency instead of vulture
It works, as long as the drug flows
(actually, the *drugs *flow)
livid raven
i hate dep pretty hard but that's valid
nova valley
i hate dep pretty hard but that's valid
So you are a straight edge hive scum? Admirable...
obtuse ruin
say, how does the chem toxin work on teh needle pistol? I know it's not affected by the damage stacks, but is it affected by perks?
astral canyon
Its affected by the perks on the weapon youre currently holding
And also affected by general damage talents (ones that dont specify "ranged" or "melee")
obtuse ruin
good to know, and I'm guessing the damage is a flat number?
livid raven
toxin damage is otherwise a flat number that progresses linearly for each stack
obtuse ruin
good to know, I figured something like that.
So it'll get less powerful on higher difficulties, seeing as enemies have more health. But I'm guessing it keeps being good?
obtuse ruin
how many stacks is full stacks?
upbeat gyro
livid raven
and
it's good when applied with the sneedler as 6 stacks are a lot of damage against elites and specialists
upbeat gyro
Is it worth spamming em on captains without shield?
Will it stop ticking during shield?
livid raven
i don't think so no
astral canyon
Is it worth spamming em on captains without shield?
Will it stop ticking during ...
It wont
upbeat gyro
I like the idea of chain weapon on desperado build to eat voidshields while being ranged otherwise 99%+ time
I just dont have any of em lvl 20 mastery yet, gotta work on that
So Dclaw is Mr.E Onlyfans only subscriber tier weapon?
olive yoke
what weapons should i use with hivescum? im only level 8 atm
tardy cedar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usxyAX8iAqM
olive yoke
whatever you like
may build towards that desperado build
upbeat gyro
what weapons should i use with hivescum? im only level 8 atm
Shivs and Dual Uzis cover both melee and ranged while being scum specific and both share the top spots for both
You can just wear those two and switch between full melee and full ranged
livid raven
they are the best scum-unique weapons yeah
upbeat gyro
And feel hivescummy
olive yoke
Shivs and Dual Uzis cover both melee and ranged while being scum specific and bo...
yh i checked out that vid you sent
the uzis are why i bought the class and the shiv too
livid raven
i don't think he shared it as an unironic advice
upbeat gyro
Mr. E is kinda casual tier Darktide info, you get the really sweatty minmax stuff here at discord, so he is generally disliked
Also has some bad takes on things
livid raven
he spent like the first month of release saying how weak the hivescum is
livid raven
yeah but it doesn't come online until you get pickpocket
and it's on the bottom of the left branch
muted pivot
Some people do better with Arby and others do better with Scum is a thing too
olive yoke
yeah i plan to level them both
upbeat gyro
You can get pickpocket at lvl 15 i think
olive yoke
but only level 8 now with hive scum heh
upbeat gyro
Thats when you can do non-stop shootyshooty with dualuzis
Just focus elites/specialists to trigger more ammo
olive yoke
with pickpocket?
livid raven
yes
olive yoke
ok i must look at this tree (new to game) xD
livid raven
the trick is that you only use your gun because you get 20% of your ammo back when you are below 20% when you kill an elite/specialist
20% of your ammo is like two full magazines
upbeat gyro
Its mostly melee based game with ranged being sort of sidearm for removing specialists/priority targets
So you learn bad habits starting out as fully ranged hivescum
livid raven
and in damnation and above, the specialist/elite flow is abundant enough to never stop shooting
olive yoke
oh dam it sounds really cool
livid raven
hivescum' prefered guns also happen to be all ammo hungry
while excelling in both anticrowd and antielite/specialist
olive yoke
i think i should be fien to build the desperado from that video?
upbeat gyro
What i used to level from 20-30 and afterwards when desperado, you can just beeling through it to Pickpocket
livid raven
yeah this one is good
upbeat gyro
livid raven
and this one is the best path until you get pickpocket
upbeat gyro
Then fill in after that starting from upper part of tree, Desperado subnodes and Vulture
Do the lower part stretching to right later in 20s+
olive yoke
oh dam ok i see mister E went different route xD
livid raven
i tremble just imagining what mister E did
olive yoke
MISTER E DID THIS
livid raven
you really don't want blackouts with desperado
that's very dumb
otherwise yeah it's fine for dual uzis
olive yoke
im not good at building so i will follow you guys advice from here
livid raven
the thing is that for the first few levels, you want to prioritize pickpocket
as that's the cornerstone of the build
everything that isn't toward pickpocket is a bonus for later levels
livid raven
isn't that the blackout
olive yoke
im just gonna follow this but also wont know where to go after this xD
livid raven
i would go toward the vulture nodes
upbeat gyro
im just gonna follow this but also wont know where to go after this xD
Well check my link for full 30 build, and experiment yourself
olive yoke
Well check my link for full 30 build, and experiment yourself
ah awesome didnt see that link
livid raven
blackouts grenades with no toxic nades
olive yoke
Well check my link for full 30 build, and experiment yourself
oh so that build isnt for uzis?
livid raven
why is he like this
livid raven
oh so that build isnt for uzis?
yes, dual uzis have garbo finesse (weakspot and crits) damage so they are not important there
but he still takes some very dubious nodes
olive yoke
yes, dual uzis have garbo finesse (weakspot and crits) damage so they are not im...
ah ok just happy with anything that works :))
livid raven
i suggest you also try dual uzis, they are a good alternative to shredder
uzis, shredder and vraks infantry autogun all do the same job but have advanteges over the other two
olive yoke
uzis, shredder and vraks infantry autogun all do the same job but have advantege...
oh so that level 30 build link he they sent i can use either of those 3 weapons?
livid raven
with some variations
dual uzis doesn't take Float like a butterfly (which also means it doesn't take precision violence)
olive yoke
seen as im just a new player for now ill just use the main gun for it until i get comfartable
livid raven
@upbeat gyro also bro take the sweet spot with the iag, it's a good damage increase
upbeat gyro
I think i have it in my ingame build, thats the build i made in gameslantern back then
livid raven
oh it's a month old
olive yoke
when do i unlcok the infantry autogun? i only got braced so far
upbeat gyro
I think i lastly experimented dropping 3 points from bottom right, no sample collector as i forget to use my stimms when its up
livid raven
when do i unlcok the infantry autogun? i only got braced so far
you can see that in the mastery menu
upbeat gyro
4->3 bazooka hurts bit, but 3 more points to use
livid raven
that's valid
upbeat gyro
awesome and apolagies :))
Have fun, but take your time to learn melee game basics too
livid raven
especially because pickpocket's fate is a bit in doubt
olive yoke
Have fun, but take your time to learn melee game basics too
yeha i will for sure i will do all classes
i played at launch and got zealot to level 30 and vet to 15 so i do wanna do those classes also
olive yoke
especially because pickpocket's fate is a bit in doubt
yeah im only looking at this as my first build will learn lots and do other builds sometime :))
upbeat gyro
While you are new without muscle memory for controls. Change crouch to L-Alt. So you can dodgeslide with shift+alt+wasd easy
That allows you to move fast and dodge lots of ranged shooters
livid raven
you can also dodgeslide with shift ctrl easy
upbeat gyro
Either works, just dont do the default spacebar
livid raven
i do default spacebar
upbeat gyro
Its awkward to accidentally jump instead
livid raven
that's why i use a mod to avoid it
it's silly you can just jump when trying to dodge in the first place
i once forgot to patch the game after an update and only find out when a match started
i had a miserable time
how do people play this game without mods, it barely functions
olive yoke
i think control is fine as my finger rests over it anyway
would i be better to do a melee build for the hivescum or is desperado fine?
upbeat gyro
Try both, you can just Make several builds and switch around
olive yoke
cani save builds or do i have to reset each time?
obtuse ruin
say, can you go wrong with the stimm lab, or are all trees on it good?
livid raven
cani save builds or do i have to reset each time?
you can make multiple loadouts, there is an icon on the top right
olive yoke
Try both, you can just Make several builds and switch around
yh i will stick with one you gave me for now but will try in others once im comfy :))
livid raven
say, can you go wrong with the stimm lab, or are all trees on it good?
you certainly can go wrong
for example, i've seen people take two nodes of all the branches
terrible idea
imo you usually want to go all in in either one or two branches
that is, for lv 30 of course
otherwise, i think every branch is very good at the moment
or at least has a place
obtuse ruin
yea, I am currently going into the damage and attack speed branches iirc. But that is indeed what I wanted to know
olive yoke
just me or is the hivescum default cosmetics better than any in the shop ? xD
verbal dew
there's some nice heads
the full outfit and its alt helmets are boring
but yes, it has a very good default selection
my havoc scum is full out pimp
olive yoke
Yeah i like the whole junker theme
verbal dew
a zealot accused me of heresy because my backpack appeared to be floating
I told them I held it up by sheer will
it is attached so
upbeat gyro
I got tired of golden-leo pants and went norweigian black metal outfit instead
verbal dew
ye those pants are also good
olive yoke
looks good, but she is lacking something
yh just started xD
muted pivot
yea, I am currently going into the damage and attack speed branches iirc. But th...
I think if you go chem dependency then you want to be one-path
Otherwise two imo
obtuse ruin
I mean, currently I'm chem-dependant with two paths but I also have have sample collector so it's working I think
muted pivot
better piety
it's hard to pass up on tbh
I try to avoid it just to not make my builds too samey, but I should probably swap my shivs rampage build to it at least
I would have thought you'd struggle to get the refresh in time with a fully loaded cartel stimm
unless you're going box
livid raven
full stimm is 75s, chem dep lasts for 90
the 4 stack dep has kinda fallen off from what i've seen
low harbor
better piety
it's worse piety lol
muted pivot
20% crit with CDR and TDR added on is better than Piety, no?
livid raven
it's cooldown speed, not cooldown reduction right?
low harbor
the CD rate is a different instance that doesn't get called during ability
and it's a really small difference for both stance abilities
the crit is lower
the TDR is lower
livid raven
and if you want all that it's 4 points on it
low harbor
the pathing talents are worse
and let's not pretend that dependency's CD rate is anywhere close to IoD which u basically will always have for piety
muted pivot
I guess you can consider IoD to be an extension of the Piety keystone, true
I don't know if it's taken much without it these days
verbal dew
I have way higher uptime than I ever do on my piety zealot builds at least
and this was a h37
nova valley
Well, at least he pondered and changed his mind. It's more than 99% of Discord users can and would do 
cinder rampart
i think hive scum crowbar is among the most fun builds i use
verbal dew
you can have more fun with another melee
cinder rampart
which one
rancid robin
Which mk? Was thinking of trying that too
tender marten
they really gave the 1 quite the glow up and all it needed was a slight moveset adjustment
lilac marten
that's a lot a suppose..
verbal dew
rampage scum in havoc just makes big numbers
verbal dew
yeah it's the most useful for melee builds, I don't run pickpocket tho and get by just fine
lilac marten
i mean it does really good damage. specially the rampage you said about melee builds
Pickpockets are... lets say desperado build
verbal dew
I run pickpocket on crate ranged builds
lilac marten
Noice 
is it possible to do a havoc 40 with hive scum? if i get crushed by crusher is over..
verbal dew
yeah I've done uh
lilac marten
Damn!
marble seal
is it possible to do a havoc 40 with hive scum? if i get crushed by crusher is o...
Most classes just instantly die from an overhead
lilac marten
uuuuuu yeah the devils claw
verbal dew
you get ~200 health in a H40
lilac marten
you get ~200 health in a H40
intresting. thanks! 
verbal dew
I've eaten back to back burster explosions, didn't go down
1k+ kills per game
tho that's most scum tbf
lilac marten
you maybe dont know what class is gonna be in the future
i would like something about mechanicus
would be intresting
Just asking
verbal dew
yeah ppl were hoping for some admech before scum was revealed
lilac marten
is there more then mechanicus?
calm aurora
Skitarii
verbal dew
#theorycrafting usually have the most discussion on such, ik they've been looking at the rogue trader classes and such to see what we could possibly get
I don't particularly care what class, I'm prob gonna play it regardless
unique spire
Skitarii
It won't be Skitarii
Hadron complained in a mission that they won't get the help of Skitariis
lilac marten
this is gonna be tough...
calm aurora
Nooooo
upbeat gyro
So the hammerblow on Devil's Claw makes it stagger hordes?
verbal dew
no the hordes die
you stagger elites
you can throw gunners and maulers to the ground
interupt a reaper firing
upbeat gyro
Okay sounds kinda safe to use then
verbal dew
yeah you just light spam in hordes, sometimes push attack if needed
single target is push attack, light, light, repeat
olive yoke
is needlegun a fun build?
verbal dew
I wouldn't call it fun
it's very good
like if you need to snipe stuff or take care of carapace it's really useful
livid raven
there isn't really a "needlegun" build
verbal dew
I wouldn't use it on desp or spam it to the end of the days but
livid raven
it's just a melee build that uses the needlegun as the sidearm
verbal dew
yeah
livid raven
but yeah it's very good at that
olive yoke
is it profficiant? some guy is reccomending it to me
verbal dew
on melee scum it's the best sidearm
livid raven
it's very strong
verbal dew
if you're doing any ranged build then I'd just go vraks autogun, double barrel shotgun, explosive bistol, dual stubs even imo
astral canyon
or dual autos
verbal dew
yes I just don't like them
astral canyon
weak
livid raven
can you prove this
verbal dew
perchance
olive yoke
i will look up a melee build as i want that xD with needlegun
astral canyon
needlegun is strong on melee builds because it takes legit 0 talent investment to work
livid raven
and it's not like you can actually invest in it in the first place
apart from like pickpocket
and the +10% toxin damage you prob end up taking anyway as a taxnode
verbal dew
stripped down and run n gun are very nice and handy as blessings
just run in to gunfire and hit them with a few shots and retreat
astral canyon
its basically budget desperado
verbal dew
yeah very handy in h40
olive yoke
im doing a desperados now but not sure how i feel about my gun haha
muted pivot
if you're doing any ranged build then I'd just go vraks autogun, double barrel s...
DAPs are great too
you just gotta run into their face with it
verbal dew
yes I just don't like them
ye but this
muted pivot
fair
livid raven
im doing a desperados now but not sure how i feel about my gun haha
most weapons really need their two right blessings
muted pivot
wrong, but fair ;)
livid raven
which you prov don't have access to yet
olive yoke
most weapons really need their two right blessings
oh ok i only have infantry gun mk1 atm i need mk4 for my build
true
muted pivot
Mark 5, no?
verbal dew
mark v is best ye
olive yoke
yh i meant v
muted pivot
I'm sure the other IAGs kinda work too - Vraks shines when you have the talent tree and stimms giving you finesse bonuses
olive yoke
no clue how to change mark
verbal dew
yeah they work
muted pivot
not sure if you're 30
I think at lower levels before you have the talent tree support DAPs are way better than IAG anyway
livid raven
you can change it from the weapon's options
olive yoke
I'm sure the other IAGs kinda work too - Vraks shines when you have the talent t...
yeah looks like oculd be fun only level 16 atm but heresy kicked my ass
muted pivot
but once you get a keystone and all the lovely crit chance increases
verbal dew
yeah leveling up DAPs are fine
muted pivot
you really start to benefit from the IAG's finesse
(but on the other hand, DAPs are zoomy)
olive yoke
you can change it from the weapon's options
omg i had mv ty
verbal dew
most of us prob have already leveled autogun on another character since it's available to all human ones I believe
livid raven
it is
livid raven
not even that popular there either
verbal dew
vet does fun stuff with raking fire
muted pivot
flatout bad on zealot imo
olive yoke
what elvel do i unlcok the blessed bullet blessing?
muted pivot
Honestly executioner stance might as well be designed for IAGs
I haven't tried it since the buff
verbal dew
yeah it's like playing cod a bit lol
livid raven
what elvel do i unlcok the blessed bullet blessing?
uhh there is no such blessing
muted pivot
I used to love my vraks veteran but idk there's too much friggin carapace now
olive yoke
uhh there is no such blessing
curio i mean
muted pivot
maybe I just need to be a krak addict
verbal dew
yeah I run it on WS with shovel I think and kraks
olive yoke
i am new so im not as well versed as you lot
muted pivot
I used to run exec mf before the buffs
astral canyon
curio i mean
curios are all the same
olive yoke
verbal dew
which corresponds to their rating
muted pivot
it was like my most tryhard build lol, definitely so much weaker than scryer's psyker, but a lot of fun
olive yoke
oh sure would be nice if game told you that
verbal dew
yeah that's just the default one
olive yoke
rather than naming them xD
muted pivot
oh sure would be nice if game told you that
that's darktide's unofficial subtitle
verbal dew
if you are modding, this is a new one that's super useful https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/730
astral canyon
eventually
surely
verbal dew
mayhaps
muted pivot
see also: cleave, strength/power, impact, rending, brittleness, rambunctiousness, stagger, heavy stagger, dorcelessness, finesse, weakspot damage bonus, weakspot strength bonus...
this game is so vague and drastically needs an in-game wiki
verbal dew
muted pivot
I'd love to have one written in-character by the different Mourningstar people
verbal dew
also has links to all other classes + ranged/melee blessings
livid raven
this implies fatshark knows what the terms mean
mighty belfry
My propaganda spreads once more
mighty belfry
Okay sounds kinda safe to use then
Ragers very often can't even get their combo off on you
Even crushers get staggered out of their overheads
This specifically might be a lowkey meta for hive scum because it's probably the safest melee they have and the one weakness it has
If you run coated weaponry, it basically counters that weakness
As long as you have a lot of crit chance
upbeat gyro
If you run coated weaponry, it basically counters that weakness
Or needler (pls dont bomb with negative smileys)
But yeah, gotta try, never gotten into Dclaws so curious about the parry too
Probably like less than 3 games or something with em ever
mighty belfry
But yeah, gotta try, never gotten into Dclaws so curious about the parry too
I usually use it only for bosses if I'll be real
And the occasional rager or crusher catching me off guard
upbeat gyro
Id add pickpocket to your build and jittery, otherwise like it
mighty belfry
Id add pickpocket to your build and jittery, otherwise like it
I legit never run into ammo troubles
Even without a surv vet
Gunslinger is enough for me. And I don't wanna give anything else up on the build for it
I though hyperviolence was a bad idea but the light spam on d claw mk7 actually builds up overkill through a horde pretty well
upbeat gyro
Okay, well gotta first go through all my human classes and see how many mastery levels ill get out of em
If i can even afford to build it
mighty belfry
Straight up my favorite melee on this class rn 🙂↕️
And it's even got me to reconsider trying it on others because I liked it so much
verbal dew
My propaganda spreads once more <:pogryn:961977701533614130>
yeah I mean it does some major work, I got up to rank 37 on my own mission today from all the wins
im gonna train overhead parries later, it's like the main way I go down
limber cradle
Im glad scum makes fun melees viable tbh
mighty belfry
A last, last ditch effort to save yourself from an overhead
limber cradle
A last, last ditch effort to save yourself from an overhead
Consider the style points tho
mighty belfry
Im glad scum makes fun melees viable tbh
More than viable with this tbh
limber cradle
Ykwim, DClaw is a throw pick on every other class
mighty belfry
Like I genuinely think this might be one of those hidden gems
verbal dew
yeah I dodge almost all, sometimes you just get stuck so it's nice to at least know the timing
I feel like a melee inferno the way it cuts through regular hordes
and single target is p easy to get in to rhythm
mighty belfry
Ykwim, DClaw is a throw pick on every other class
Tbh, the push light light combo on mk7
verbal dew
it's very satisfying to throw rodin on his ass once his shield is down
verbal dew
can't throw rinda down tho, but you can go head to head with her p easy
mighty belfry
can't throw rinda down tho, but you can go head to head with her p easy
We're not playing Darktide anymore. We're playing Sekiro.
verbal dew
I think the only time anyone beat me on boss damage was with a martyrdom shroudfield thammer teammate
livid raven
we are actually playing mewgenics
upbeat gyro
Just got my house expanded to three rooms, mutated cat breeding made easy. That plutonium stick is nice, just run alley and let who carries it die in every battle, 3-4 new mutations quick.
verbal dew
I've only watched vinesauce play it a bit, I've never been in to isaac before so
livid raven
i said that but i'm actually waiting for more mods to drop
upbeat gyro
Its not similar, RPG roguelite with turns
livid raven
no way in hell i'm sending 25 fucking cats
verbal dew
yeah ik the gameplay
upbeat gyro
Imagine Baldur's Gate 3 but with constantly changing modifiers and characters so you gotta adapt every game, kinda like chess with wildly different variables
livid raven
bro it's just a trpg
upbeat gyro
And instead of epic story, you get story how inbred your favourite cat familyline became
But that inbredness gave you Trample mutation, and now your tank runs over all the enemies being OP
Kinda like Ogryn or Arbi with 7.5m subnode or good old Footknight
livid raven
i find trample on the tank to be quite mediocre
i really like the dive and the suplex/throw
upbeat gyro
Well its not something you really beeline for, but if its free mutation from inbreeding, well then
livid raven
pretty sure every inbreeding mutation also has a negative
upbeat gyro
Trample on paws doesnt, besides making it look like its crawling around
verbal dew
they got better, current head in 2022
upbeat gyro
That beard to hide the jawline
upbeat gyro
Yeah pretty much