hivescum-class

[mighty belfry]

No not at all

I really do wish they didn't open Pandora's Box buffing Rampage the way they did.

[marble seal]

its funny how much its Better Zealot after the buff

almost everything about zealot but better

[mighty belfry]

Seeing Rampage get buffed the way they did

Just brought me back to playing Zealot more if I'll be real

[marble seal]

how can you go back

[mighty belfry]

Because Fatmangus is fun.

[marble seal]

impossible

https://tenor.com/view/bilbo-baggins-bilbo-ring-lord-of-the-rings-the-hobbit-gif-27539499

[lost ravine]

how can it be better zealot if scum can't play Bigsword Knives Reconlas

checkmate

[marble seal]

heavysword is bigsword at home

[lost ravine]

hsword is like a diet dclaw with different blessings

[marble seal]

aw hell nawwww

[lost ravine]

[mighty belfry]

Also call me crazy but having a stealth zealot in havoc is a pretty big utility to have ime

If they actually know what they're doing.

And usually the people insane enough to run zealot in high havoc (me), tend to do so lmao

[lost ravine]

a build that offers no utility is big utility?

[manic wolf]

Same, it was not an ideal change, but more reason to play other classes i guess. Pretty wild that Scum went from relatively high effort class to significantly less so. Crazy about-turn from FS's part

[lost ravine]

scum stonks rising

[astral canyon]

Sconks

[mighty belfry]

Captain one shots. Extremely fast revives even without Shroudfield. Can handle specialists that are in hard to reach spots without punishment.

You can straight up cancel bugged rituals.

[manic wolf]

Stealth Zealot can hunt down tox bombers with almost total impunity, res people in dogwater situations an generally be a menace with positioning, but unfortunately most of the playerbase just uses it as an aggro-dump, which is sadge

[mighty belfry]

The utility comes with the player and if they understand how stealth can be gigabusted.

And the zealot players that usually play havoc ime, tend to do so.

[lost ravine]

i understand that stealth allows you to get away with some nonsense

i get that it's a free revive

i get that you can outdance just about anything

[astral canyon]

Also makes it harder for the IRS to find you

[manic wolf]

The biggest possible W

[lost ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-skywalker-palpatine-is-it-possible-learn-this-power-gif-17185041

[zenith pagoda]

I think scum might be more powerful than psyker

[rare grotto]

https://youtube.com/shorts/AxPQ1JL3n8Y?si=Ima7M6hD2czMYadS

[sonic pumice]

the "SPECIALLY the the bread one" kills me for some reason

[rare grotto]

If it's between starvation and paying the tithe, you better believe the Arbites is going to tell you to pay the tithe.

[sonic pumice]

at least starving you pay by becoming corpse starch
AND you skip all the dread of wars agains unspeakable horrors of the Astra Militarum

[high mirage]

Does the MKII needle pistol still apply toxin when you shoot the ground near enemies?

[flat mist]

You in-game atm?

[high mirage]

I'm updating the game but I will be

[astral canyon]

Just 1 stack on the special mode with a really small aoe

Not really worth it

[high mirage]

you think the mkVI is better?

[astral canyon]

Mk6 has a useless special but crits and weakspot hits are +2 tox stacks each instead of +1

It really doesnt matter what mk you go for tbh

[high mirage]

gotcha

[hollow gate]

there a guide telling you what is the dumpstat for hive scum weapons?

[bronze glade]

Nope just ask here

[hollow gate]

just started my hive scum character, mobility the stat dump for the starter weapons? Got plenty of dockets to burn to get the said dumpstat to 60%, dual autopistols mobility and the shivs first target as dumpstat?

[bronze glade]

Shiv dump is mob

First target is never a dump on any weapon

DAP dump is collateral

[solemn thorn]

how is the update 6 GB???

[bronze glade]

prob preloading more cosmetics for the slop shop (but none for arbi or hiv)

[solemn thorn]

not surpised with arbi not getting new skins

[sturdy linden]

god it's so obnoxious being in a game with a gun scum

[bronze glade]

cheese builds is a large reason why i just don't play the game anymore

[zealous ravine]

6 gb of arby cosmetics

except they're all for the dog

[sturdy linden]

[mighty belfry]

You play auric, you have to deal with the cheesiest builds sucking all the fun out of the game

You play havoc. I mean. You play havoc. Your dopamine receptors are completely fucked to have fun with havoc.

It's becoming genuinely hard to find this game fun in anything but havoc because auric is a complete mess of balance right now.

For me at least.

But then I'm annoyed of Havoc because you can tell the game engine just is not equipped to handle what it throws at you.

I just wish they went the route of making each individual enemy stronger and cutting down the spawns so the power creep doesn't basically break the game entirely.

[woeful trellis]

they did both, it still wasn't enough

[low harbor]

one day the entire guide might just turn into pictures of powerpoint copy paste

[sturdy linden]

man

I do not like using heavy sword

is there a better weapon for the heavy attack penance

[warm axle]

got mine with dclaw

[sturdy linden]

nani

how

I have actually never ever used dclaw

[glad latch]

I used the crowbar for it.

[sturdy linden]

ew

[solemn thorn]

could do duo or true solos with non meta builds. i find most enjoyable doing duos with builds i enjoy and arent about dmg

[nova valley]

Man, you are having the worst time possible in Darktide. Not enjoying Auric, getting annoyed in Havoc...

[spice cloud]

I agree

Powercreep rn is disgusting and very unfun.

Sadly i dont enjoy havoc either for the same reason.

[bronze glade]

the spot im at rn

or have been for aw hile

[spice cloud]

We can still play menace

[bronze glade]

true

until i get bored of the current content

the game has a lot of content for EA tho, it's pretty nice

[zenith fern]

https://youtu.be/7uPn67k_xzM?si=Mw3oHOnz1lQ1jRPq

Hold up another fire video?

I actually did not know that the grenade pin was part of the audio cue

[spice cloud]

Space scum is gonna release this year too. Sci-fi battle brothers .

[bronze glade]

wow that really looks like scifi BB lol

i'll check ito ut

[spice cloud]

Yeah sadlz i missed the beta playtest.

[calm aurora]

Taxe

[verbal dew]

mk1 shivs are pretty nice to heavy spam as well

[zinc mirage]

Play auric maelstrom, in my experience in 90% of games the other 3 ppl in your party have no idea how to deal with continous massive waves of specialists and die after 5 min so you have to carry the whole game on your own which should be an adequate challenge for you

[solemn thorn]

average auric players have increased, more players using meta and more games i solo clutch, might aswell just solo the whole thing

[solemn thorn]

a challenge or to have fun in auric mael is to do duos

that is enjoyable

[mighty belfry]

that's just not how it plays out as of recent tbh

The cheesy stuff's become more well known.

[main wagon]

Auric QP for me is literally either one or multiple people with 2 undivorced braincells using the most fun-sucking setups imaginable, incapable of toning back their sweatfest for even a second to let other people play the game...

Or absolute babies that should still be playing in Damnation because they're incapable of handling even the pace of HISTG

There's such a wide gap that generally I can still have fun playing it after work when I don't give a shit lol

[nova valley]

Holy f*ck you guys are having a miserable experience at this game. I have bad games with bad teammates too, but if I enjoyed it as little as you claim to do, I would have stopped playing by now

[spice cloud]

I pretty much did stop playing dt until a new patch comes that actually does something meaningfull. This game desperatly needs a balancing patch. Not reworks just straight up class and weapon balancing.

Arguably before they add the next class wich will prolly just make shit even worse.

Until then im gonna play other games.

And a big blessings rework

Also

[austere coyote]

what you don't like the feather gun style of design

[nova valley]

Then why torturing yourself, forcing you in the loop of complaining about it online? I am ok with constructive criticism, but it seems to me it is just venting about a few bad games at this point...

If I stopped playing at a game. I'd definitely not force myself to read on forums how much it sucks

[spice cloud]

Im not torturing myself. Just talking about my opinion because i love the game and want it to be good.

[austere coyote]

no you should do it as a treat it's really funny watching people crash out

[spice cloud]

Nothings gonna change if nobody says anything

[nova valley]

True. As I said, I am ok with constructive criticism. But what I see mostly is just ppl thinking they are never the problem, ranting about other players being the problem. You made some valid points a few posts ago, but looking at other comments, the problem seems to be the community

[weary steeple]

Just power Leveled my Hive scum class character
wasn’t sure what the hype was ,and stayed out of the way ,I honestly thought this was a cyberpunk, blade runner attempt
but I was very mistaken ,playing Necromunda table top learning about the lore really changed my metanoia
few days ago created and played to level 30
Hive scum has to be my favourite class unlocked all the penances cosmetics
I wish Fatshark would have more available in sale in The commodore’s vestures Respect and peace to everyone:).
“The trick isn't building the barricade; it's pretending it'll hold."

[nova valley]

Love the quote

[verbal dew]

blade runner is its own style of grimdark

[dim moth]

ironically in situations like these it's usually the "smugging tuesday" that gets nerfd because it has a 90% pickrate in competitive, and casuals never understand

at least in my experience

[muted pivot]

I love how the three branches feel very different too

but at the same time there's that hunger for more kills, because everything feeds something else

desperado and rampage feed themselves, chem feeds your stimm cd, stimm can feed your ability cd, stimm box feeds your team and your chem dependency

killing keeps you alive

and then you've got the trump card of the rocket launcher

[fallen void]

is dependency viable without stimm box

[muted pivot]

it's arguably better for a lot of builds than the other two keystones

crit rate, cdr and damage reduction all go insanely hard for scum

look at how crazy the crit values are vs normal hits for the shivs for example

20% is a huge boost. Basically blazing piety +.

50% viscous stimms can maintain and build the stack without any sample collector assistance

[zenith pagoda]

Havoc is so fucked right now

Bursters sound like they are miles away and yet they are just around the corner

Don't explode when you push them

[flat mist]

dropped into a random mael, 3 teammates dead. clutched. then the arbi failed a clutch later in the mission.

very funny

[upbeat gyro]

I forgot about it, then one day it suddenly came when i was swinging my Tac Axe around

[flat mist]

Weird how many people ask what weapon to use for that penance

Its a very straightforward "just play the game" penance

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah aslong as you are running build that utilises melee, it kinda just comes

[upbeat gyro]

I gotta say the infi dodge part really was noticeable after grinding Hivescum recently at expanse of Arbites, then i returned to it and noticed i ran out of stam as i couldnt anymore dodge left-and-right like ADHD teenager who took too many energy drinks non-stop

Its kinda addictive and fun gameplay to me though that sets hivescum apart

Maybe the havoc40 pros who have done it all see it as powercreep, in sameway as desperado + pickpocket in terms of overall gameplay balance, but from bit more casual point of view, its really fun playstyle and i am enjoying this class for it

[flat mist]

Yeah man i absolutely love it

Ive been playing with blackouts + bistol alot recently and between scums insane dodging and all that stagger i can throw myself into almost any situation and barely take a scratch

[upbeat gyro]

Feels like 90%+ of hivescum players got those golden-leopard pants on

Why i made mine now cosplay norweigian black metal axe swinger instead for change

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1022932651138625627/1470488115457163427/image.png?ex=69955d87&is=69940c07&hm=91ba58838ef609916a1b48017fb514b975f39e2059d9ae9eba6b4a29615bb65e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=451&height=960

[flat mist]

I was running like no defense nodes that game aswell

[upbeat gyro]

Straight outta early 90s Immortal music video

https://tenor.com/view/immortal-call-of-the-wintermoon-immortal-dance-forest-headbang-immortal-black-metal-norway-gif-18710052

[flat mist]

No tis but a scratch, hive city brawler or whatever the one that gives you 50% toughness on toughness break is callrd

Just pure duck and weave

[upbeat gyro]

I guess one step further is that max att spd with 3x stam curios

Im not at that level, prefer my safety nets

[flat mist]

I run that a lot too

Not in havoc 30+ but definitely elsewhere

[upbeat gyro]

Actually went to play arbi some after felt i was prone to going down with just like 1-2 mistakes on hivescum on havoc20s+ with bad teams i was unable to carry if last one alive

And instantly had to and could clutch a game with it easily

[flat mist]

As soon as a boss is thrown in i find scum harder to clutch

Because the instant you screw up you're down, and bosses make it way harder to manage your spacing

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah the clutch part was me dueling captain for a while

Would have been rough with desperado ranged build

[flat mist]

I was last up on chasm terminus the other day with EK + combat blade psyker

Couldnt get through the shield

[upbeat gyro]

I guess it shows my noobness that i cant name more than the trench and train maps as they are so obvious

[flat mist]

Was taking like a full minute to down it

[upbeat gyro]

Or well, i cant recall their name if asked, but ill recognise em from name if i see

[warm axle]

• claw intensifies *

[flat mist]

Captain fight at end of mission

[flat mist]

Its not getting hit by enemies that cooks me, its managing fire and disablers + the boss

But yiis dclaw noice

[upbeat gyro]

My arbi runs Vraks IAG for non-humanoid bosses, deletes em in like 2 magazines

[flat mist]

Good old vraks

[upbeat gyro]

As it feels one of arbi weaknesses without it

[flat mist]

Was so broken when it had a higher crit string

[upbeat gyro]

2024 when i quit the game, Vraks, called Columnus V back then, was staple on all 3 humanoid classes for me

Along with Rashad

[flat mist]

Gunker with iag was basically all i played back then too

Then i quit for like 9 months around when havoc released

[upbeat gyro]

Anyways, time to go grind few more havocs for the black armour penance, then i can return to the 4 classic classes with brand new armor to show off with

DLC classes been fun and good for doing it

And wont reap the benefits

[flat mist]

What server do you play on

[warm axle]

yeah you could say that the “balance of the game” has shifted a lot

[upbeat gyro]

EU

[flat mist]

Is it even that common to run jittery on HVS though

Most builds i see dont have it

[winged bay]

I've it on every build

[warm axle]

it’s like playing arbitrator without dog, sure you could but it breaks the identity of the class without it (for me)

[winged bay]

it's definitely better than anything else you can pick

[flat mist]

I wasnt running it on my rampage builds but now that exhaustion is gone i wouldnt skip it

[warm axle]

esp now that rampage doesnt disable the talent when it lost 100% stamina

yeah

even with claw shenanigans costing me stamina it regens fast enough to proc again once i run out of dodges.

[flat mist]

I liked regained posture a lot to counteract exhaustion

But mainly bc im a slut for stam curios

[warm axle]

i used rampage enough for the penance and then never again til the update, but yeah that seemed like the intended interaction

[flat mist]

Regenning literally half a dozen stam bars in one dodge slide was goated

[warm axle]

rampage and jittery is very goaty
i dont even run blackouts anymore for gunner walls, just mashing m1 through a hoard and cha cha slide straight to em
what the fuck is a dodge decay raaaa

love this giga clown shoes class

oh no its on cooldown after being active for a minute, i need to apply my 50% cdr clown makeup
honk honk

[main trellis]

not required; never was - pointless

[flat mist]

Feels pointful whenever i find myself at -5/5 dodges without it

Why dont you rate it

[spice cloud]

Holy shit the arby saying that is just the cherry ontop

[main trellis]

cause there are more important talents to take & i don't go into negative dodges like that

only nimble is mandatory; rest is extra at best

[flat mist]

Is it even true zealot has more toughness regen

I dont play zeal but seems iffy from what i know of arbi

[spice cloud]

Huh?!?

Im not surr any class has more tghnss regen nodes then arby

[glossy niche]

zealot does have a ton of toughness regen

Idk if it's more than arby though

[spice cloud]

Book doesnt count

[flat mist]

Arbi be printing that shit as long as hes bonking

[glossy niche]

I'm not talking about the book

[flat mist]

Oh look i hit a shotgunner in the head and regained 70% toughness or some dumb amount

[glossy niche]

You can get a fuckton of toughness regen from melee with zealot as well

[brittle sierra]

[spice cloud]

Arby is THE easy class calli g the class that actually requires skill busted is a perfect example of the general arby playerbase.

Delusional

Powertripping

[glossy niche]

It can be pretty braindead but I mainly fw doing mega crowd control with the crusher

[flat mist]

And id literally just dropped in only to see a 20+ armour pack and (an admittedly nearly dead) spawn coming for my ass

Didnt even know where i was or remember what map id loaded into

[hazy vector]

Are devensive stimm properties worth taking now?

[vapid jungle]

Better than it was for sure. Not sure if it outclasses the other trees.

[lunar field]

Has a patch accidentally bricked the needle gun, or did I just miss a change?

No longer spreads toxin by shooting the ground nearby, and can't one-shot a groaner with alt-fire anymore

[flat mist]

In a vacuum its arguably the strongest tree because 50% toughness replenishment is beyond busted

But

Its a temporary activated buff and scum is about not being hit

I like it with stimm supply though

[upbeat gyro]

In that temporary moment probably better to use it for offensive stimm that removes the problem quicker

[flat mist]

Exactly

[upbeat gyro]

But i suppose if you left alone fighting couple bosses, it could save your skin and allow misplays

[flat mist]

You can more accurately predict the need for a damage boost than a toughness/DR boost

[upbeat gyro]

And the dmg boost is always useful and noticeable, while the other only after you get hit, which you dont want in first place

[flat mist]

Yeah bosses its nice, just facetank them haha

[upbeat gyro]

I guess things change if taking in account of sharing it with team

[flat mist]

For the team i think its really nice

Warp ghost psyker with +75% replenishment

[glossy niche]

Is there any good mixed combinations?

[flat mist]

Like picking two trees? Or half trees?

Partial trees*

[flat mist]

Ill often run a full strength tree plus 1-3 attack speed nodes

[glossy niche]

Yeah

[flat mist]

The last nodes on the attack speed tree arent that useful unless you want the reload/recoil node

[spice cloud]

Anything works really

[flat mist]

So might aswell save 18-24s off your base cooldown by dropping some of those nodes

[spice cloud]

Attack speed has the stun res node wich is very good

[flat mist]

I guess, but i already have a stun resist talent

[spice cloud]

How?

Am i missing something?

[flat mist]

Burst of energy

[spice cloud]

Isnt that on tghnss break only?

Like a safety net u kinda dont wanna activate?

[muted pivot]

Stun resist only really matters on weapons that horde clear with heavies imo

Or ones where you want to use Thrust

[spice cloud]

Hmm

Im not too sure about that you can get interrupted still no?

Even with light attacks

Backstabs etc.

I feel like it helps a lot when i use crate and bonesaw.

Tbf bonesaw does use a lot of heavys

On second thought u mmight have a point there.

[flat mist]

Yeah but when my toughness breaks is usually going to be when i dont want to be stunned

But come to think of it im not sure what actually counts as a stun

[spice cloud]

Any form of stun or interruption

Like the ogryn heavy attack ability

Where u cant get interrupted on heavy attack

But for all attacks

[flat mist]

Right so uninteruptable attacks

[spice cloud]

Yeah

[flat mist]

No stagger from block break?

[spice cloud]

Pretty much

[flat mist]

Shotgunners?

[spice cloud]

No

Stagger from blockbreak

U still get blockbreked as far as i know

But why would u block if you cannot get interrupted

I have not made extensive testing

[flat mist]

Im just trying to understand what stun immunity applies to but fair

[spice cloud]

I see i dont perfectly know muself

[flat mist]

Slowdown is presumably what happens when a bomb detonates near you

And you walk over corruption, get spewed on by burgle etc

[spice cloud]

Yeah

All in all i think its good but Krags might have a point that its not as usefull with only light attacks

Cause they usually dont get interrupted anyway cause they are so fast.

[spice cloud]

[flat mist]

Might not matter rip

[spice cloud]

Fckn fatfish

[flat mist]

[spice cloud]

Made me do this entire explanation just to find out its bugged anyway

[flat mist]

That's the evil part of the orc coming into effect

[flat mist]

Please be mostly bot deaths

[sand tendon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/565672718293401653/1321147766805631129/cat_armor_wiki.gif

[marble seal]

rank 19 psyker applied to 40

ive unleashed him into the party finder

[sand tendon]

did you just farm him at mid event

[marble seal]

yes

and end

I think we picked him up at every possible spawn

[flat mist]

And now he has a h40 clear kekw

[sand tendon]

what region are you

[marble seal]

na east

[sand tendon]

perfect this is exactly what na east deserves

[marble seal]

ive been slowly adding more for months

[spice cloud]

Are you ok?

[marble seal]

the party finder must burn

with a thousand 40 clears

[spice cloud]

You are an evil man son-goku.

[marble seal]

they must all feel my pain

[spice cloud]

But i approve

I gotta give it to him tho

Hes got tenacity

He didnt quit

[marble seal]

yeah he stuck around for a couple losses

[spice cloud]

Thats someone who is willing to suffer to improve

[marble seal]

I think he was just really high

[spice cloud]

Well im usually really high

Im really high rn actually

Thats no excuse

[leaden fable]

Yeah I almost exclusively play darktide while high, feels weird to play sober

[muted pivot]

Irl stimms

[muted pivot]

Also monotype strings don't suffer mental disruption

If you're just spamming lights then who cares if at one point you fuck up and restart your light string, it's all the same

If you get discombobulated on a HL alternating weapon then you can get stuck doing wrong swings and then take another hit

[woeful jackal]

I need that Max Payne build

[muted pivot]

Full top-left stimm, double pistols, a Crowbar and a dead wife and son?

And a gritty internal monologue

https://youtu.be/eU0dgjon10U?si=mpDFE3T2iK2MyUef gameplay footage of the build

[high mirage]

I swear it did

I feel like it's not as good into hordes now

[pulsar aspen]

So you mean you actually have to do something to remove the Horde on Hive Scum now?

[marble seal]

Stealth nerfed

[high mirage]

the SMGs are still a thing, let's not act like the needle gun was the only horde clear tool

[muted pivot]

Melee builds are generically strong vs everything too

[pulsar aspen]

I do wonder tho, is this from a generalist perspective of what you are supposed to do?

Because, while i do think you should in some way be able to contribute to clearing a Horde, mag-dumping it does not sound like the best idea, when you have, say.. a Psyker with Trauma Staff.

Your effort may be better spend on removing Shooters and Gunners.

[manic wolf]

It kinda doesnt matter with ranged Scum, you can just shoot everything and kill it all faster than Psyker can outside of Crusher

[pulsar aspen]

Well, true, but there has to be a priority list in what to kill first and the Horde usually comes last. Or at least should come last because they aren't a threat.

[manic wolf]

Ofc, but its the same threat prority you have for any other class

Maybe actually simpler because you dont actually have to care about shooty enemies on that build

[pulsar aspen]

Which is in my opinion a problem. You may not have to care about ranged enemies, everyone else still does have to.

Which makes you one of the best suited in removing those threats for your team.

[rotund agate]

btw, I have found a decent Dclaw Rampage setup for myself (in terms of just the Dclaw, because the build is mostly just a normal Adrenaline melee build, with the exception that I use Hypercrit, Float Like a Butterfly, Cheap Shots and Regained Posture with Dclaw):

mk1 Dclaw with Hammerblow and Skullcrusher for blessings, and crit chance and stam for perks (I only parry bosses, btw. Crushers tend to just spam overheads in melee ime and I cannot parry those.)

[pulsar aspen]

But.. you can parry Crusher overheads can you not?

[main trellis]

Ah; so you used my build i made months ago
Good that it spreads

[rotund agate]

by accident

[main trellis]

Apart from cheap shots; thats not for that setup at all

[rotund agate]

I use it to speed up horde clear and sometimes killing maulers with light-spam...

[main trellis]

10% ain’t helping you much
Use 25% carapace dmg & 25% weakspot dmg talent if you wanna increase your dmg

[livid raven]

i doubt that talent will ever feel good on scum

[main trellis]

It grants too little benefit while requiring one thing HS lacks the most

[astral canyon]

Bitches?

[main trellis]

Don’t make me sad now

[calm aurora]

stitches?

[astral canyon]

Nah they got plenty of those depending on cosmetics

[pulsar aspen]

Snitches get those. Or so i've heard.

[manic wolf]

Sure, but being able to ignore it in the first place is a problem

Thats a lot of the most threatening enemies just being a non-issue for one class

Desperado is cancerous and I hope FS kill it dead

[mental trellis]

Same thing as vet. Being the elite killer.

[pulsar aspen]

Shooters aren't Elites. And they are far more dangerous.

[muted pivot]

it kinda turns into left 4 dead or something. The horde that's about to hit you is a bigger priority than it would be on most other builds because you have your ranged weapon out and can't block or push to defend yourself. (Ok you can often weapon bash but still, might as well just kill them with the bullets while overpenetrating and killing other shit behind them anyway)

[pulsar aspen]

You can just.. use your melee weapon?

[limber cradle]

What the fuck is a melee weapon? -Desp Scum

[bronze glade]

Hood psyker moment

[limber cradle]

Psyker school of conjuring more ammo

[mental trellis]

I mean all the specials and the games many categories.

[mighty belfry]

Tbh I thought so but

It's an enabler for crowbar.

[livid raven]

oh brother

[mighty belfry]

It's like the one weapon that talent actually makes sense on and it makes crowbar decent for once.

It didn't before but the change actually did provide benefit for it.

[exotic temple]

https://tenor.com/view/balthasar-gelt-balthasar-gelt-warhammer-warhammer-fantasy-gif-3206385677144835770

[exotic temple]

lol scum has lore of metal

[limber cradle]

Regrettably crowbar even when enabled doesn't feel amazing

[lost ravine]

witches?

[nova valley]

Good. Or there would be someone crying about it being op as well

[verbal dew]

crowbar just bounces a lot

or when flipped it's incredibly sticky

could've been a one-handed crusher

but alas

[mighty belfry]

Definitely more fun to use at least.

And way more useable.

But, ofc

It's not shivs so

[limber cradle]

I don't even think its like HSword

I kinda wish it felt on par with shovel but I can't articulate why it doesn't

[brittle sierra]

https://open.spotify.com/track/5KUNwkaNf8l5A9sXZhiCgI?si=XwT2JnvyQKKeWe6sisMrZA

[mighty belfry]

Blessings

[limber cradle]

Yeah, ig having 2 blessings does that to a weapon

[mighty belfry]

Shovels are honestly carried by their good blessing choices.

[astral canyon]

also the slowness of the beak heavies

[mighty belfry]

Crowbar simply doesn't have that same luxury.

If they had just given crowbar headtaker instead of superiority, it'd be a lot better imho

[astral canyon]

and also made latch attacks scale properly with attack speed

[mighty belfry]

I didn't reply last night.

I love this game. Which is why I'm concerned about its current state. When the actual game engine is literally breaking because of how bad the power creep has gotten, there's a point where you just have to realize the direction the game's going in simply isn't a healthy one.

[limber cradle]

Seconded

[low harbor]

I changed atk info to using images instead of tables in guide (work in progress)

[mighty belfry]

I love that you included the major stagger window honestly

Makes it easier to plan around a weapons moveset.

[low harbor]

2 more

color distinction between normal & activated attacks (for the same atk input)

this also improves mobile device viewing experience
and MASSIVELY reduces characters used

[calm aurora]

lychees?

[lost ravine]

splendid yes

[astral canyon]

liches

[dusk elm]

dump stat for needler?

[calm aurora]

dmg

it does not affect the dot

[dusk elm]

ty

wasnt sure that or stopping

[verbal dew]

thanks melk

[high mirage]

Lmao

https://tenor.com/view/gohan-its-so-peak-gohan-crying-gohan-its-so-peak-peak-gif-11211568239007237362

[zenith pagoda]

Huh

Superiority is S tier blessing

[verbal dew]

[zenith pagoda]

It procs on DoT too so if you're using needle pistol it's even better

[tranquil fjord]

not everyone wants to use a needler

somehow the kill everything dot kills everything a bit faster

[flat mist]

Yeah, looking at uptime data my lowest stack average was about 1.9 (23.75% power) and that was a mael game

Unless you're fighting just a boss after killing nothing for ages so your stacks have dropped, superiority should almost always be better

[zenith pagoda]

Exactly

And even for bosses, there's always a mutie in h40 coming for you

[flat mist]

Exactly, isnt the duration like 8s? Takes ages to drop back to 1 stack

[zenith pagoda]

7s, depreciates 1 at a time

So at max stacks it takes 21s of not killing an elite or specialist to go to 0

[flat mist]

Pretty sure it also procs from dots if your melee is equipped

[zenith pagoda]

Yup

[flat mist]

Imagine if crowbar had slaughterer. You could get 182.5% power

197.5% if cheap shots actually worked as described

[zenith pagoda]

Wanna guess the highest power melee weapon from blessings?

[flat mist]

Is it crowbar

[zenith pagoda]

Grenade gauntlet

Easy +90% power

[flat mist]

Makes the 77.5% on force swords look pathetic kekw

[zenith pagoda]

Unfortunately 90 x 0 is still 0

[muted pivot]

Thought gauntlet was meant to be decent anti armour with the swings

Absolutely love tac axe scum, wanna try heavy sword next

Which mark is best for us?

[flat mist]

Wait, crowbar can get 117.5% bc of in built one stack thrust, cant it??

[muted pivot]

I presume the gimmick is to not bother with crit stuff as much as with tac axe

[flat mist]

Just gotta run limbsplitter

[manic wolf]

This has been a problem for quite a while now if we're being honest

[manic wolf]

I mean you dont really have to bother with it using that either, but no, generally HS doesnt care much

[zenith pagoda]

Nah it's just ass in every way

Power, ADMs, attack pattern, speed

I tried a GG melee build in h40 and it was just painful

Halfway through I said fuck it and switched to pickaxe

[pallid quail]

ur forgetting the pick which can get up to 100%

[keen bridge]

Never got a clear answer when hivescum first released, does the stimm supply only give your unique stim effect if it's off cooldown? Or can it still give it even if your stim isn't available

[zenith pagoda]

Eh, thrust and limbsplitter don't really count since they're not continuous

[zenith pagoda]

It only does corruption resistance and cleanse if your stim is on cooldown

I just use stim supply for anti blight

[brittle sierra]

The bug was never patched so it still gives you the stimm lab buffs

[zenith pagoda]

Lmao how has that not been fixed

[brittle sierra]

The patch was also 6gb

Obese Megalodon strikes again

[mighty belfry]

Which is exactly where my issue is with Superiority. That and, if you have a team that's killing quick enough, it's actually weirdly hard to start up Superiority. It kinda demands you to be killing elites and specialists faster than anyone else on a weapon, that just doesn't do that very quickly at a base level.

It's insanely powerful on force swords.

Because force swords don't really need help with that from the getgo.

[mighty belfry]

What I'm saying here.

Is crowbar is still kinda mid :(

[flat mist]

Yeah just memein. Although 1 stack thrust does have 100% uptime with no downside if you have literally perfect timing

[mighty belfry]

Cheap shots helps but, the beak mode honestly needs some love.

[flat mist]

Depending what you're running you can just proc it with toxin

[mighty belfry]

That's just weird though.

[flat mist]

Ok but if youre running needle pistol its just a free proc if you shoot something and swap to crowbar

[mighty belfry]

A weapon blessing shouldn't have to depend on the merit of something other than that weapon to actually function. It limits what's actually good with that weapon.

[flat mist]

Counteracts any downside

Fair

[mighty belfry]

I don't wanna use a needle pistol all the time

[limber cradle]

This feels like a lot of effort to make crowbar semi viable when you could just use shivs or something lol

[flat mist]

Its not an effort to make crowbar semi viable at all

Discussing superiority vs headtaker

[mighty belfry]

Headtaker would just let it be ya know, get more damage just by hitting things.

I'd rather just take that.

[astral canyon]

i wish it had headtaker+slaughterer

[limber cradle]

I wish everything had slaughterer tbf

[mighty belfry]

Tru

[dim moth]

the heavy sword headtaker that randomly has a bigger number

[low harbor]

I wish everything had headtaker
except psyker weapons ofc

[mighty belfry]

Headtaker Deadshot HS 😩

Slicing through mixed hordes like butter.

[astral canyon]

headgiver

[mighty belfry]

It has.

But there's no denying it's probably the worst it's ever been

[limber cradle]

Its the fact that it seemingly keeps getting worse

[limber cradle]

The demon in the back of my head is telling me to play psyker again

The Optimization Demon

[mighty belfry]

And that's pretty much where my concern lies. If the power creep continues, the game is trivilialized. If the game is trivialized, everything needs to be buffed again.

And how Fatshark does that is what worries me.

They buffed things individually and slightly toned down crusher spawns

[sturdy linden]

it'd be peak comedy if we are two buff patches away from Havoc runs simultaneously crashing all 4 players just due to the barrage of sound cues from an army of specials

[mighty belfry]

But in practice, it doesn't matter because in auric for one, you have timed spawns, and when you have that and a static spawn together along with specialist strikes

The density overall is just higher in general.

And that higher density, comes with the game falling apart on itself.

And ofc it's worse in Havoc because why wouldn't it be

[mighty belfry]

See this is the shit I'm scared of.

Like unironically.

[limber cradle]

I mean didn't that already happen

[mighty belfry]

The paraplegic hamster on the wheel is wavering.

[limber cradle]

Not through that process

But they already released a havoc combo that crashed the game

[sturdy linden]

tbh I still have to restart my game after every match or two

because bad memory leak + old laptop

[mighty belfry]

Even with the mem fix I still religiously restart after three games because my frames chug.

This was not a thing a year ago.

For me at least.

[manic wolf]

Yeup, it is indeed, however for it to change, we would need sweeping nerfs to every class, which the community just wont tolerate

An not just like some minor downtuning. Like a lot of stuff would need its knees, its ankles and its feet breaking

However if Fatshark do that, there will be mass review bombing and redditors popping blood vessels desperate to stain the game's reputation, even if the end result is a better game

[woeful hill]

satisfying, I like the sound of rampage

[mental trellis]

playing on steam? @sturdy linden

have you guys tried this launch option "--lua-heap-mb-size 2048"
It stopped the mem crashing for me at least

[mighty belfry]

I play on steam

It's not just the crashing.

Even with the fix you can tell when the game is struggling with its memory usage.

[low harbor]

like when it stutters during horde?

[mighty belfry]

Yuh

[low harbor]

that's prob just

[mental trellis]

have you tried turning off upscaler

[low harbor]

fatshark's ork code

and cpu usage

[mighty belfry]

Lmao dude I'm playing at like as minimal of settings as possible

[mighty belfry]

But it gets noticeably worse with passing games.

[sturdy linden]

Yeah path told me about this and I tried it, it made it a little better. The frames survive the 2nd, sometimes even the 3rd game in a row

[mental trellis]

have you tried turning off portrait rendering?

[sturdy linden]

But it's not a total solution

[mighty belfry]

Yes.

[mental trellis]

damn well fatshark being fatshark for you

[mighty belfry]

This game is a bowl of spaghetti

[low harbor]

this game runs on ork logic

[mental trellis]

swedish games are this way

[mighty belfry]

There's not much you can do about its inherent issues lmao

[mental trellis]

look at helldivers lmao

[low harbor]

drg doesn't run like this

[mighty belfry]

At least it's not Helldivers

That game is a technical catastrophe

[low harbor]

most of it is CPU related

[mental trellis]

their danish

[low harbor]

only fatshark can make an atk with 0.001 cleave and give it 4 target profiles

[low harbor]

oh mb forgor

some other studio then

[mighty belfry]

Yeah I know. It's just that it gets noticeably worse over time. And then as soon as I restart, back to a semblance of reasonable performance.

Rinse, repeat.

[mental trellis]

this is true. we have some attacks that are single target but its a horizontal some reason. Or diagonals

[low harbor]

those aren't that weird in comparison

[mental trellis]

the horizontal single target attacks are.

see combat axe lol

[low harbor]

yea they're not that weird

it's just animation

the weird thing I'm talking abt is game code

[neat delta]

add crusher to hive scum thnx

[true hollow]

How are the hive scum personalities

I won’t lie, the voice lines really make or break my enjoyment of a class

[limber cradle]

I like them all

[true hollow]

That’s fair

[limber cradle]

What are you looking for specifically?

[marble seal]

anarchist is best voice actor in the gamne

[astral canyon]

Male or fem

[marble seal]

fem

[astral canyon]

She also voices fem seer btw

Fun fact

[limber cradle]

My favorite personality in game is fatalist tbh

[dim moth]

fem savant psyker solos them

[low harbor]

I like bounty hunter

chill guy

[nova valley]

This is a perfectly valid point, regarding the engine not being fit for purpose.
It is not what it was being discussed last night though.
There were a few chatting about "other players being bad". When someone is having a miserable time not because of game issues but because of other players.

[mighty belfry]

I suppose I got confused because you replied to that one message I sent

Which, honestly, admittedly I was hella frustrated last night

That being said

Honestly, it's come to the point where I just cannot give a shit about a player being bad. I'd rather that, than the typical sweaty bulldozer players that have been sprouting up lately

Because at the very least, unless they're like, maybe full on 100% of the time smiting or something, it's not like they're taking away your agency of playing the game.

That's the shit that's been really bothering me and it's been more frequent in Auric than ever.

[limber cradle]

I would prefer to play with a bad player than "I will now sweat with desp and trivialize the game"

[mighty belfry]

Like you don't realize how annoying it actually is until you start seeing it over and over and over again.

Hell, last time I tried to play auric just soloing

Get into a game

Infinite smiter with scrier's and two desperado scum in the same party

Absolutely fucking miserable experience

[pallid quail]

i dont find desperado very sweaty

[mighty belfry]

It's not even desperado itself

Desperado in itself is just fine.

[pallid quail]

i played it last night for the first time in weeks n it felt pretty easy

i didnt sweat at all

[limber cradle]

That's

Not at all what I meant

[mighty belfry]

I think what Tongs is getting at is that it is like

[limber cradle]

If you choose to sweat with desp it will trivialize a game

[mighty belfry]

An extremely strong option that if a player with even a remote semblance of understanding of the game wants to exploit, they will, and it is annoying when they do.

[limber cradle]

Aye

[pallid quail]

if ur sweating tho was the game ever trivial ?

[limber cradle]

Oh my god you pedantic fuck

Its a playstyle choice

[pallid quail]

[mighty belfry]

I see your game here dammit.

[pallid quail]

yea but i could play it rly sweaty but i didnt

or idk maybe just try to kill faster than them bro

sounds like a skill issue

[dim moth]

https://tenor.com/bFoir.gif

[sturdy linden]

I would have just logged off ngl

[mighty belfry]

dude I'm at this point where I don't really go into auric with the best shit. I wanna just goof off with weird builds

You legit can't contest shit like that when you wanna go off meta lmao

You wanna play a melee build? Oh you have to reach the ene- oh the desperado scum already mowed them down

Cool

[limber cradle]

Atp I think it's ragebait

[pallid quail]

well yeaj

but that doesnt make me wrong

[limber cradle]

I mean

[mighty belfry]

if only i could choose my build

in the middle of the game

[limber cradle]

You are

Have you ever tried to run melee in a game with a desp player who is actively trying to kill everything?

[mighty belfry]

just make the game like call of duty where if i go down i can change my build pls

[limber cradle]

Darktide version of OMA Noob Toob when

[mighty belfry]

I mean. We do have the rumbler

[limber cradle]

Lmfao real

[pallid quail]

all i hear is seething over some build having higher dps potential (when played by randos) than your preferred build

so again a skill issue perchance

i dont see why you anyone gives a shit about balance tho

whole game is just load into pub as last man standing n get dogged/netted through a bulwark

or get stuck in infinite dc/reconnect screen

or get 90% through a havoc n then crash

[sturdy linden]

Exhibit 1

[sturdy linden]

Exhibit 2

Behold, the duality of man

[limber cradle]

Aye

[pallid quail]

https://tenor.com/view/buddha-gif-23893013

me in the bottom right

[nova cosmos]

:3

[nova valley]

What I do not get is people complaining if in the highest difficulty, other players in a pub are choosing to play a strong/op build. Again, it is a pub match, so you get what you get, and you are surprised or disappointed if people are playing whatever they want? It's not even a PvP game!

If you want to play only with certain builds, avoiding certain players etc... find some teammates or friends to play with. That is what Discord can be used for as well

[drifting heron]

I'm fine with strong builds, but some are strong in a way that makes it harder to engage with the game cause they can do things not just faster than you can, but before you can

And some just ruin game pacing ala Smite

Like playing against a strong melee build is fun cause I'm in active competition

We get to play the game of who gets to what first and who can move through fights faster

But against a strong ranged build you lose that cause they ignore all of that and have a kill range equal to line of sight

[low harbor]

There’s a big difference between playing with martyr zealot / hybrid vet / rampage hvs and playing with ranged hvs / psyker / ranged tumbler og

[pallid quail]

i cant wait until this level of discourse reaches ogryn chat

[drifting heron]

Nothing happens there

I wouldn't hold your breath

[pallid quail]

thats not even true tho

[verbal dew]

one guy in ogryn chat is just playing farming simulator now for the past week

[near mauve]

there's a "le ogryn is le bad" convo daily there

[pallid quail]

theres like an incipient mutiny over how shitty most of the weapons are

[marble seal]

Why is it in French

[near mauve]

because saying le is funny

[verbal dew]

old internet meme

[pallid quail]

ogryn is french

[marble seal]

Psyker is French 🤔

[verbal dew]

how old?

[near mauve]

nah bro u tripping playing alongside john killing floor 2 who pews pews everything before u can get to it is very fun

u get to go make food eat and still win the game

multitasking in this economy

[verbal dew]

if only desp didn't encourage you to sprint ahead of everything with its movement bonus and no stamina drain on sprint

I've always preferred to just run it with stuff that keeps you just dodging in place instead

run n gun is just not a fun blessing imo

[marble seal]

I take it on revolver so I can hipfire it

More accurately

[verbal dew]

fair on agri, I might try that

[calm aurora]

Neuron sollicitation?

[nova valley]

I think the difference is quite personal tbh. Rampage HS, zooming around the map OBLITERATING anything he touches is to me as annoying as a smyker.
But again, if at the highest difficulty someone is playing a build strong or op while I am playing my hybrid scum build, created when I was half baked, and I end up not being able to play cause he pulverizes anything, it'd be my fault

[zinc mirage]

In my experience playing auric maelstrom most of the time there are enough enemies for everyone especially if* one or two squad mates die

[pulsar aspen]

My team mates don't die, they just leave

It probably is because they want the.. ahem.. ASS title, but the funny part about this is, from my point of view, the journey to that title is what matters more. They essentially try to skip the build up and learning process that involves not going down. Yes, there will be a lot of luck involved and sometimes bad things just happen, but if you'd go through it honestly, you become a better player.

Or maybe they just can't stomach that they've gone down, who knows.

[mighty belfry]

It's the fact that the builds in question exist at all and are as overwhelmingly powerful as they are.

Which just loops back into the whole issue about power creep.

[verbal dew]

good thing about maelstroms tho that even if your entire team leaves early on, you'll just get new people joining as long as you can survive

[muted pivot]

until it falls off the board

then you're stuck with the bots

[verbal dew]

ye, but that's a calculated risk if you start a really late maelstrom

[spice cloud]

You gotta admnit that there is no default way to play private games tho

[mental trellis]

i got mine 200 hours into the game by accident. Was playing to get better :).
At least back in 24 the ASS players and the people trying to get them felt more toxic at the time.

[spice cloud]

There is no way by default to avoid this

You are as a console player especially forced to play with other people even.

Ever other coop pve game gas sp mode

Drg hd2

They all have it

[nova valley]

What do you mean? You can create a team of 4 and play.

[spice cloud]

That assumes you have friends to play it with

Say you are a singular player

Just got the game for your console

[mental trellis]

Just pretend the other randos are your friends. Private game achieved Kek

[spice cloud]

You cant even make a private game without another player in your striketeam

[nova valley]

I do not have friends playin this game as well. But, you can find people to play with on discord for example. You just specify that you do not want to play with "op" builds (whatever you define as op at least)

There is always someone willing to have fun

[spice cloud]

Thats really no argument

[nova valley]

Or to play in a specific way

[spice cloud]

Again assumes you have discord

[nova valley]

Where are we talking on?

[spice cloud]

There is no way to play solo by default if you dont want to play with “op” builds

[nova valley]

Cause this is not a solo game. You are supposed to cooperate with people.

[nova valley]

In V2 you had the option to play with bots, which is fine for some difficulties. But the core of the game is cooperation with other people. Which is not for everyone of course

[verbal dew]

yes I made that just now

[nova valley]

Das is good

[spice cloud]

Then again if that is a given the player can expect some balancing no?

[nova valley]

Yes. But balancing a game that grew in complexity requires time and effort. Not saying that the game is perfect, it has many issues. But, balance will never be achieved as different players have different experiences hence opinions.

[spice cloud]

Balance can definetly be achieved

[nova valley]

Of course smyker is shit, it turns the entire game in a target practice mode. But again, there will always be a stronger than others build, and people complaining about teammates or something being "op"

[spice cloud]

Thats just trivializing the issue honestly

[nova valley]

Ay then. Tell me a game pve that is balanced. And please don't mention like L4D

[nova valley]

It is not trivialising, it's putting stuff in perspective, tbh

[verbal dew]

not much to balance there, everyone sees the same things there

[nova valley]

Exactly, but I wanted to be sure

[spice cloud]

Thats like saying things have allready been shit all the time so just deal with it and dont worry about it.

[spice cloud]

Helldivers 2

Deep rock galactic

Why not left 4 dead btw?

Also good example tho

Monster hunter

Idk i can prolly go on

Depends how far we stretch coop pve.

[low harbor]

are u being fr

drg balanced?

[spice cloud]

Yup

[low harbor]

lol

[spice cloud]

Whats ur issue

[low harbor]

it straight up isn't?

[spice cloud]

Why?

[low harbor]

NTP autocannon, hellfire coilgun, VB revolver, VIR shard, breach cutter as a whole, etc etc

there're so many things not balanced in drg lol

[spice cloud]

Its just some overclocks

[zenith fern]

https://tenor.com/view/sassy-gossip-girl-gossiping-gossip-fluffy-cat-gif-16574850200818093144

[low harbor]

this is a level of mental gymnastics previously thought impossible

[spice cloud]

Its super endgame

You might not ever unlock them all

[low harbor]

it's even more unbalanced than DT's endgame lol

[mighty belfry]

as it turns out

having both a stimm scum

and a rampage scum

can be very funny

[compact oyster]

overclock that wipes the entire screen

[ionic solstice]

helldivers 2 is famously really badly balanced also

like famously

[dim moth]

This idea has mostly been led by a few loud and extremely delusional youtubers more than anything.

Genuinely the "helldivers balance is bad" people used to be the loud minority

[ionic solstice]

no i play the game, i know it is balanced poorly

[dim moth]

It is like actually poorly balanced now mostly in the players favor

[ionic solstice]

it's not as bad as some people exaggerate but a lot of the weapons in the game are still useless and they still routinely introduce content that is abjectly worthless

[dim moth]

But during the days of Escalation of Freedom and the times before it there was a lot more variety

Weapons aren't useless just the top 5 guns in the game are so head and shoulders above everything else since AH is scared to nerf things now

[ionic solstice]

no, genuinely, some things are just useless

[nova valley]

MH can be played solo. Hell, I did, since MHF to the last, play solo. That is not a game comparable to DT, VT or similar.
L4D has almost a single mechanic of gameplay (shoot), and has no complexity compared to VT or DT.
Dunno deep rock honestly
And Helldivers2 balanced?! It got review bombed at every occasion! And you telling me that Eruptor or Blitzer are balanced compared to the rest of the weapons?! Cmon...

[ionic solstice]

the new suppressor AR for instance is pretty much worthless, the belt fed nade launcher is very bad, the minigun is still very weak, and that's just weapons, the new armor from siege ready is horrible dogshit

[dim moth]

Suppressor is well for one suppressed, and for two is more or less directly comparable to the Liberator Carbine

yeah belt fade nade launcher sucks

I don't have the minigun

[ionic solstice]

it just doesn't have enough ammo by far is its main problem

[dim moth]

Eruptor is comically overpowered and has been dodging nerfs entirely because it's the community darling and AH doesn't want to actually fucking nerf things oh my gooooooood

Blitzer...I'm gonna be real I have always thought that gun is one step above dogshit and that has apparently never been the community sentiment for it

It feels bad to use, has bad inconsistent damage, and oooh it stuns things but I could just use the Pummeler for that and have a gun that does damage I can predict

The new armor is also like at worst

+25 armor

which is not a bad increase to damage reduction

the stamina thing isn't great, but +25 armor on its own is at least decent

[ionic solstice]

it's just a direct downgrade to the other ones that grant 50 armor

because the stamina thing is completely worthless

[dim moth]

sure but a direct downgrade to an extremely strong perk is still decently strong

[ionic solstice]

don't get me wrong i love hd2 i just do think arrowhead are very bad at balancing new content, they release a lot of shit in a very questionable state like 'why did you think this would be worth anyone's time' like the belt fed nade launcher or the one true flag or the new tank

[dim moth]

the new tank is honest to god probably the strongest stratagem in the game are you okay

It has a skill floor and that's about it for downsides

[ionic solstice]

it is not it is tissue paper and the gun can't turn for shit

[dim moth]

8000 health AV3 100% durable is tissue paper?

How much damage do you think enemies do?

[ionic solstice]

it has weakspots that deal huge damage to it in prime shooting positions that take light pen

[dim moth]

yeah those are also all destructible with like 500 health between them

between all six of them so IF all six get shot off

oh no the tank has 7500 health

also any enemy that has light pen is dealing single digit damage when it hits them anyways

ohp wait misread the wiki the pouches are not durable so they would take full damage from light pen enemies which is gonna be like 30 a pop actually

until they break and aren't there anymore

https://fximgur.com/a/EIyvemp

but oh no light pen weakspots tank is soooooo weak :(

[manic wolf]

Last i checked this wasnt a Turddivers discord

[livid raven]

Never used the eruptor, but i coincidentally dropped the game when they nerfed it to the ground

[fiery tulip]

Random query: What is everyone's favorite hair color to use with their Hive Scum?

[livid raven]

Bald

[nova valley]

That strange teal blue gree color

[flat mist]

Purple baby

[main trellis]

So sea color

[manic wolf]

The colour of WKD vomit

[zenith pagoda]

I think I might play solo havoc now, my teammates are so unpredictable it actually makes me die more often

Like I think they will take out the trapper right behind me but then they dont

[main trellis]

What lv of havoc you play?

[zenith pagoda]

40

There was a tox bomber that I obviously prioritised, I knew there was a trapper behind me about to shoot but I also knew my recon lasgun vet teammate was behind me, but he instead runs ahead

[main trellis]

Don’t trust recon to kill/stagger trapper fast enough
Thats on you

Especially cause its a rando too

[zenith pagoda]

He didn't even shoot until I was dead lol

[high mirage]

The black and red one

[warm axle]

green liberty spikes go hard

[rotund agate]

I use the dark blue with the mohawk (I am a Tread Lightlies enjoyer, so I picked blue)

[high mirage]

I picked carnival so maybe a green colour would suit better, but that red is too cool

[subtle zenith]

I don't remember, usually wear a helmet

[split osprey]

…So what does Viscosity do for stimms?

[verbal dew]

affects the cooldown of it

you get more effects the more you put in, but the cooldown gets longer in exchange

[split osprey]

Ah, gotcha

Yeah that part I got, I just didn’t know what the difference between visc and cooldown was. I got the class yesterday lol

[verbal dew]

pressing H at the stimm lab gives you some more info as well

[astral canyon]

Green

[split osprey]

Me who uses jet-black hair across all my classes

[nova valley]

I am severely brain damaged, so just in case, the stimm you produce in your stimm lab it's called Cartel Special

[split osprey]

Yuh

[nova valley]

Took me a while to figure that out

[split osprey]

Ohh lmao

I wish we could apply smaller effects to the base stimms like celerity/combat/wtc

[nova valley]

Yeah. I was trying to complete one of the achievements, requiring to kill people under the effect of cartel special. I thought it was the general name for the abilities

[verbal dew]

this has taken me much longer than I thought, I always keep losing missions at the least minute :(

[warm axle]

my hive scum is cursed with that, too.

[unreal stirrup]

man™ i kinda want to go back to dt but then i have to grind for 40 all over again

[bronze glade]

Simply don’t

[zenith fern]

Honestly I thought the same, my scum is near level 100 but I still only completed like 80 missions

[tranquil berry]

Stay away from darktide. If you managed to stay away for a while, it means rehab is going well and you're almost free of this garbage game. Stay darktide sober!

[verbal dew]

I have two scums at like 50 and 60

[vapid jungle]

No other game scratches this itch boss.

It so perfectly holds my attention

[tranquil berry]

Like any hard drug that slowly kills ya!

[vapid jungle]

I wonder if there will be a new tide game this year/next

Darktide came out 4 years after vermintide 2 in 2022

And here we are 4 years later!

[muted pivot]

How is bolt pistol 6 on despy?

What keystone would you go with it?

[vapid jungle]

You know im not sure but you got me thinking on playing with that and the cheap shots buff

And I like chemical dependency but that's cos I use blackouts with bistol

[livid raven]

Definitely not

They can barely run two

[vapid jungle]

They could barely run 1 when vt2 came out

They specialize in releasing unfinished products

[zenith fern]

thats for every swedish studio

[novel oracle]

What we do know is they've been working on an unannounced UE5 title for a decent bit, started not long after darktides release

[verbal dew]

fares games are usually not unfinished fwiw

[novel oracle]

But the fact that its still unannounced means probably not for at least 1-2 more years minimum

[tranquil berry]

Most games are woefully unfinished. Early access is the new normal, and most 1.0s barely work. It's the gaming industry in a nutshell

[novel oracle]

Its cuz of upper management and shareholders

[tranquil berry]

And cuz of us

[novel oracle]

Game has to meet deadlines

[tranquil berry]

We keep buying unfinished garbage, and as long as we do, they'll feed it to us

Only way to get better food is to stop eating trash in the first place

[near mauve]

this is why single player games are da best

(when they work)

[near mauve]

dev cycles are taking too long too

average AAA game cycle now is 5+ years

that's a whole ass console gen

[zenith fern]

I would like to hope that their new UE5 project is a stanadlone original IP

[novel oracle]

Mismanagement of devs and too wide of a scope both spiral out of control with each other and result in the games taking that long without the results to show for it

[verbal dew]

fortnite is soon 10 years old

GTA V is 13

[novel oracle]

Too much stuff gets scrapped because devs were assigned to do it then it was scrapped because the scope changed only for the next thing they work on to also be scrapped

[near mauve]

ill never forget cyberpunk 2077

[novel oracle]

I think the most visible example was the pve campaign from overwatch 2 being completely scrapped after years of development

[near mauve]

7 fkn years for a game that clearly needed another 3 in the oven

[compact oyster]

conk

swedish game awards

[compact oyster]

https://automaton-media.com/en/news/young-gamers-in-japan-may-not-be-forming-the-same-attachment-to-final-fantasy-or-dragon-quest-because-modern-dev-cycles-are-as-long-as-their-childhood-users-theorize/

the wait between final fantasy games are far FAR too long now

[sturdy linden]

played it on PS4 on launch

[near mauve]

cyberpunk minecraft edition

[sturdy linden]

I think in 4 hrs of continuous attempts, it started perhaps twice, loaded in once, and that was a powerpoint presentation tier of fps

[near mauve]

trve nvke (i didnt read the article)

[sturdy linden]

Sony refunded the price but let me keep the game, so I got to play it when it became a masterpiece a year later

looks epic on PS5 now

[near mauve]

only AAA game to be pulled off the PS store lmao

[sturdy linden]

Concord?

xdd

[near mauve]

i love the game but it took them 3 years to make it what it was supposed to be

[near mauve]

this shit died so fast i always forget about it

until the internet reminds me

[sturdy linden]

I have to boot it up again sometime to play the DLC

I bought it but life happened and didn't play it

my friends are screaming at me to go play it

[near mauve]

ill scream at you too

dlc is peak

[sturdy linden]

so I have heard

[leaden fable]

Did they hire the people that made that first design for the sonic 3d movie?

[valid moat]

whats the best blessings and perks for the needle pistol?

[astral canyon]

Stripped down/run n gun

[verbal dew]

perks is like reload and maybe carapace/unyielding

[astral canyon]

Unyielding for boss magdumps

[vapid jungle]

Darktide 2 brothers

[novel oracle]

Ngl I highly doubt it

[vapid jungle]

Dang. Disappointmentide.

[astral canyon]

bloodbowltide

[slow solstice]

I gotta say, it’s jarring running that one Hivescum personality—“Bounty Hunter”, I think it’s called? They’re so unexpectedly chill.

“Oh the Conclave likes me. I’m going places.” (:

Meanwhile you’ve got the others shouting about anarchy and revolution and knife-fighting for scraps of rat meat and BH is just “What a pleasant outing with me new mates. I wonder if we’ll see a Chaos Spawn! That would be exciting.” (:

[thin seal]

is it still worth taking gunner damage reduction in desperado builds for the 10-20s downtime in higher havocs

or just rely on cdr to have desperado as much as possible and go for revive speed/toughness instead

[marble seal]

Yeah

I take 3x and can push into really stupid positions surrounded by 100 reapers

[light vale]

im assuming that it's likely to be vermintide 3

as they're finally finising up vt2 story

or at least i think they are

[calm aurora]

Wait what 2022???

[low harbor]

nov 2022 ya

[calm aurora]

...

https://tenor.com/view/peachvitty-gif-24343442

[leaden fable]

I feel this lmao

Probably going to need a new rig for darktide 2 at this rate

[warm axle]

https://tenor.com/view/tts-please-erase-mind-images-immediately-disgusted-gif-18454793

[mighty belfry]

its rare an excise vault 40 actually goes smoothly

[keen sapphire]

is it better to build toughness or health

i feel so insanely weak

weaker than psyker

[zealous ravine]

tgh

maybe 1 health curio is good tho

for bursters or smth

[muted pivot]

I take stamina lmao

Unless I'm desperado

[zealous ravine]

i mean attack speed is good

[muted pivot]

Which heavy sword mark is best for us? I liked the 9 on my Zealot before crusher buff

[zealous ravine]

i use 9

[muted pivot]

Flak maniac?

[zealous ravine]

idk if it needs maniac perk

maybe unyiel?

[muted pivot]

Flak unyielding makes sense

[zealous ravine]

i rember hsword having silly maniac dmg so try it without perk first maybe

or just go flak unyiel

[muted pivot]

I took maniac for tax axe and it really helps

But boss damage without unyielding is always sad

[mighty belfry]

ima keep it real

i've been liking 3 health curio a lot

[flat mist]

You're supposed to not get hit. That isn't a meme when it comes to hive scum.

[keen sapphire]

what do you do when you're surrounded and cant dodge tho

like i can survive everything as long as i can dodge but i just die instantly when i cant

also is toughness on stimm good

it doesnt really seem like it

[manic wolf]

Simply hit the heretics until they are dead

[mighty belfry]

what are you running

[keen sapphire]

im kinda just trying everything rn

crowbar, shiv, assault chainsword, rn using bonesaw

bonesaw seems decent since i dont need to worry about single targetting as much since chems

also is it better to always run purple if i have chem tox on crit?

[mighty belfry]

you should never be running purple except for the moments you might wanna debuff a boss

chem tox mode is just outright better in any other circumstance

[keen sapphire]

and i assume the chem tox on crit is still good because it just adds more

[mighty belfry]

yeah

[keen sapphire]

this again

[mighty belfry]

it's better than it was

definitely not a bad choice for stimm crate builds

[keen sapphire]

swapped it to attack speed and strength

[zenith pagoda]

Always take jittery, I've been in rooms full of crushers and shit and I managed to slip through

[keen sapphire]

really didnt seem like it did much more than what the restore toughness on melee does

[zenith pagoda]

Hypercritical is also very useful for escaping a box in

[keen sapphire]

yea i got most the dodge stuff

[tranquil fjord]

should i go flak/carapace with the heavy sword on melee scum

[muted pivot]

I'm trying flak/unyielding

you still have a needle gun for crushers

idk

[keen sapphire]

ok how the hell do you dodge maniac ragers

even if i perfect dodge they just immediately hit me before i can dodge again anyways

[woeful trellis]

i feel like backwards is the best direction cuz once they lock on and start their flurry/attack animation they don't seem to move forward very much? might be misremembering though

[zenith pagoda]

Take stun immunity too

[tranquil fjord]

their neutral combo is a lot slower than their running combo iirc

the running combo being the combo that they do if you backpedal too much

[tranquil fjord]

its easier to dodge that and attack on an opening

or make enough distance while theyre in their running combo so you dont get blendered

you can do a dodge slide

[sturdy linden]

can also just stagger them out of their combo with some weapons

[flat mist]

You can dodge on the spot. Outside of that you aim not to get surrounded, and if you do you use a stagger. Just sounds like you need to practice your positioning.

[flat mist]

Do people not take burst of energy?? Wild

[bronze glade]

It’s honestly kinda like not taking iron will on vet lol

[mighty belfry]

it feels like i cant escape excise vault

[forest kelp]

I named my hivescum jinx hehehe

[astral canyon]

Lemme guess

Fem anarchist

[keen sapphire]

fem anarchist best

[low harbor]

3x health stacking on which class?

[keen sapphire]

i assume they mean this one

[mighty belfry]

this one

it's surprisingly comfy actually

[low harbor]

why tho

[mighty belfry]

bcuz there's a lot of things that don't give a shit about your toughness

[low harbor]

I mean I can get going for +31%hp for all 3 lower hp classes