hivescum-class

[bronze glade]

Or check pins in each of the class channels

[mighty belfry]

I honestly used to run pickpocket on support scum just cuz sample collector really helps to get crates back fast but honestly, it's just such a boring playstyle that I can't be assed anymore.

[timid coral]

i joined here today to get real info. my first messages. havent used discord in forever

[mighty belfry]

The AI lies.

[timid coral]

just leave as I was very sick. ok now. Just been a bit since social

[mighty belfry]

You do want at the very least one toughness curio.

Preferably two.

[timid coral]

I am here to see the light

[mighty belfry]

I don't even run stamina on this class anymore. No need to.

[bronze glade]

I think for most builds it’s 2 toughness 1 stam

Or 1 toughness 1 hp and 1 stam

I sometimes run 3 stam though

[timid coral]

tough is life. The Ai was argueing me out of that and I came here. If too toughness ok, then I want that health my third. my first one of 21%

I can switch. I just know chill me is heresy. though again, havent gone to nightmare. too scared of random team

oh, no offer here, my hive scum is not there. I am upgrading curios to get there. actin skill cool down, tougness regen, and gunner resistence

I am sorry. my fingers were typing words on how sounded so used wrong ones several times

[tacit linden]

[timid coral]

would one toughness curios, one 21% health, and one +3 stamina be viable?

oh, weapons I use are bonesaw and dual stubs. I have not set anything on those yet

[bronze glade]

Yes

[bronze glade]

I run 3 stam on saw

Mostly because saw is ass

[timid coral]

I gues my build is ass? a bit is dependent on the chem toxin

[bronze glade]

Idk it’s mostly a weapon issue

I run stam to max out attack speed

[timid coral]

i know, that weapon can umm not pg-13 something

[compact oyster]

its the best anti armor weapon but horendous cleave

[timid coral]

but its that or needler to use soem talents. once i get penances done then way more open

[bronze glade]

Its anti armor is quite bad actually

Very reliant on dots

[low harbor]

Idk what AI ur using but u prob shouldn’t rely on AI chat bots for game meta in general

Health / toughness / stamina is generally a good split for all of the 150 base health classes (veteran, psyker, hive scum)

[compact oyster]

ai is gonna reccomend something awful like desperado adrenaline

[woeful hill]

what a time we live in

[low harbor]

Psyker can skip stamina curio with warp ghost and run double toughness for their melee builds

[compact oyster]

i run triple HP psyker

https://tenor.com/view/wmster-white-monster-energy-drink-monster-energy-gif-16051569233120380956

[timid coral]

i have had a realy bad steak of asking help in other games. was using ai to search redit and whatnot

[compact oyster]

were very helpful with buildcrafting

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

this is a very good site to create and share builds to show others

also helpful since you have the skilltree standby if someone has advice

[lilac ermine]

Melee hivescum is easier then gun hivescum

[timid coral]

oh, I dont have courage to share. been a bit since I have been least bit social. this took moonshine to break barrier

[compact oyster]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1386740878697169039/1447573926845612244/dirt-1.gif

ignores all ranged damage and all damage with marks

[lilac ermine]

I usually play melee they have more answers to everything

[compact oyster]

melee scum is def more effective against anti armor

[timid coral]

I like melee because played tabletop around 02

[lilac ermine]

Gun hivescum cant do anything against armor waves + rotten armor + bosses

Melee just destroys them and can deal with specials and gunners

[timid coral]

I was wondering if blinding is what i want. the comes back after melee kills i think and can get perk that blitzes give corruption

[bronze glade]

Needle

[lilac ermine]

Personal pref

[bronze glade]

And anything kills bosses

[compact oyster]

its really good

but blackouts can be inconsistent with their stagger

throw it in a horde and an enemy might ignore the knockdown

[lilac ermine]

I mean like dealing with multiple bosses with havoc hp

Melee can kill them so fast they arent a problem

[mighty belfry]

I run 1 health 2 toughness

Health curio actually makes a big difference for this class.

[lilac ermine]

I use 1 health curio, 1 stamina, 1 toughnes

I dont think I need the stamina maybe only for revives

Playing in havoc and auric randoms most hivescum are melee not ranged, so melee is either easier or stronger or both

[timid coral]

see, I dont really know what I need. Most of my fails are from person behind me abandoning there horde of minor stuff. poxwalkers to ther back in hold own. I had one game two ogryn mates ran from two maulers

[low harbor]

health curio (& perk) good in general
only wouldn't run them for og

[timid coral]

og?

[lilac ermine]

Maybe wounds if newer player

[low harbor]

ogryn

[vocal saffron]

goongryn

[lilac ermine]

I made this build if you want to try

[timid coral]

oh, I know how wounds go. I was lamenting on people changing position without notification. I would have enemies on me hinnie clearing my side and turning to help

[lilac ermine]

I skipped chem enhanced on keystone because already lots of crits

[bronze glade]

Vraks kills even faster

[bronze glade]

Having the stam is really nice

[lilac ermine]

In auric or havoc cause gun hivescum is strong at auric

[timid coral]

I saved, wil try

I am way more in bottom right then you for mine

[low harbor]

both

[lilac ermine]

Alot of those tox ones are too far from everything

[timid coral]

i need a momment. been a while since did screen shots

[lilac ermine]

The pocket toxin on blitz is good though with blackouts

[bronze glade]

Anywhere

[lilac ermine]

Gun needs a team that can kill armor

[timid coral]

ok, i dunno how to get skills taken onto one screen

[lilac ermine]

ctrl+scroll out to make smaller, then press print screen

[low harbor]

wouldn't call it a need

[timid coral]

was that with your site and not in game?

[lilac ermine]

In the site

In game needs a mod to scroll out

[timid coral]

crtl key is not helping. game keeps going up n down

oh ok. durr.

[lilac ermine]

Oh I mean on website

[timid coral]

site

i didnt read all. durr is directed at me

or more sound i made after read

[lilac ermine]

I just make that build rlly fast so

But its good

[timid coral]

can you link site again? my brain power down ate the chat

[lilac ermine]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

You really dont need pickpocket until havoc on a melee build

So pickpocket and hyper critical can be put into the right side or anything else

[timid coral]

I need controler viable playstyles. My fingers hit wrong keys.

[lilac ermine]

The build I showed is probably best bc its tanky and just spamming lights on horde and maybe heavies on armor enemies

Also almost unlimited ammo from pickpocket

[timid coral]

very ogryn. I am still doing the logins. looks lie io need to make 2nd account. one was papa and now son i guess.

build editor?? I just got to screen that showed menu

well, prolly 10 minutes ago but i just saw

went to show after clicking on link. website is not giving me the hive scum talent loadout in game

[compact oyster]

you dont need an account for gameslantern

[mighty belfry]

You don't need pickpcket on a melee build for Havoc at all

I will die on this hill.

[lilac ermine]

🙂‍↔️

[flat mist]

what weapons is this for

[lilac ermine]

Shiv + bolt pistol or shiv + needle

[flat mist]

i was afraid so

please take the crit sub node on chem dependancy

crit is your most valuable damage stat

[vast ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/coffin-dance-coffin-dead-coffin-dance-dead-man-dead-gif-1795768380065876519

[flat mist]

you're leaving 15-25% permanent crit on the table on a weapon wirh 400% finesse

[calm aurora]

crit is overrated

[flat mist]

k33t loves doing 1/5 damage he should be

[bronze glade]

It can be, but not on shivs

[lilac ermine]

Theres already crit from float like butterfly + node + base crit

[bronze glade]

Crowbar crit? Yeah it’s whatever

[flat mist]

your crits do 5× damage lol

[lilac ermine]

Hive scum has already like 60% crits without it

[lime wedge]

which mark is best for tactical axe?

[bronze glade]

VII

Generally

[flat mist]

i run riposte, float like a butterfly, crit aura and maxed out chem crits which is 92.5% at max

[bronze glade]

IV can be a funny meme

II just sucks

[flat mist]

i average abour 70% crit in a game

[lime wedge]

okok

[lilac ermine]

That would be like 80%

[flat mist]

because on dodge talents and blessings have shit uptime

[flat mist]

shivs have innate 12.5%

[low harbor]

hvs can reach >100% crit chance

[lilac ermine]

That means 72.5% crit chance without the chem keystone

[flat mist]

anyway, not taking the crit node when youre taking chem dependancy is just pure stupidity

theres nothing more to it

[lilac ermine]

How tho

[low harbor]

class 10
node 5
aura 5
shiv 12.5
riposte 20
FLaB 20
dependency 3 stack 15
crit stim 15

[lilac ermine]

Oh stims

[lilac ermine]

Doesnt class have 10

[low harbor]

hvs is not vet

[flat mist]

uh

its 10% path

[low harbor]

oh wait yea

hvs 10 base

mixed up with psyker/arb

[tacit linden]

[lilac ermine]

Dependency can go 4 stacked too for higher crot

Crit

[low harbor]

irrelevant

[lilac ermine]

For meme

[low harbor]

4 stack dependency is about as pointless as 6 stack focus target

[tranquil berry]

so really good then?

[flat mist]

yeah i hate taking 1.4s off my cooldown

horrible

[low harbor]

not good, in both cases

[lilac ermine]

Isnt have 90% crit vs 70% crit over kill

Or 70% over 85%

Since 3 stacked

[tranquil berry]

it's... hold on... add-em up, carry the two... minus friday... it's 20% more...

[flat mist]

as i said you dont have that high of an uptime on dodge talents, even with my 92.5% max i average 70%. regardless, no its not overkill.

crits do 5x damage lol

(on shivs, which we are discussing)

[low harbor]

yea it's not rly worth 1 point

[flat mist]

fair. i only think its worth it if you're taking the TDR node aswell

but there isnt enough points for that

[lilac ermine]

20% with 4 stacked

So what would be removed for the crit dependecy mode

[tranquil berry]

dunno, I never run 4 stacks of chems. it'd be good, but there's so many other good nodes that I can stand to lose a stack

[low harbor]

only 15% crit and 15% TDR worth
4 stack is just paying more for less

same reason 6 stack focus target is not good

ur paying more for less

[lilac ermine]

Is focus target even gud

[low harbor]

yes

[lilac ermine]

Whats tha build

[reef spoke]

The 6 stack upgrade isn't

But Focus Target is

[low harbor]

default vet build template

and take focus target

lol

[lilac ermine]

Idk what default build is

[calm aurora]

rampage cooldown is mostly forced by being out of targets to kill

[lilac ermine]

This looks a little close

But for the focus target what subnodes are good

[low harbor]

TD & RF, both are good

just not the 6 stack upgrade

[flat mist]

i have no idea how thats relevant to what i posted tbh keety

but i do agree

its why hypex is bad

[calm aurora]

I mean I like getting rampage back, but I don't need it when I am not meleeing

so 11-13s is like whatever

[lilac ermine]

So if I needed 2 more extra talents what do you think should be removed

[flat mist]

uh, no... if youre taking the TDR youve spent 3 points, so the fourth point is spending like for like

if youre not getting the TDR then maxed chems is soending more for less

[lilac ermine]

For the focus target subnode

[calm aurora]

But I think we're on the same wavelenght Irosk

[flat mist]

right, sure. i dont think anyone should take CDR stimm with ChD

[low harbor]

yea, putting 3 points into keystone + crit + TDR is ok
but getting 4 stack dependency is not worth in basically any case cuz it's just paying more for less

[tranquil berry]

dunno about that weapon whip-out speed at the top... going left there seems better unless you're bolter/hellbore maybe

[flat mist]

one or the other

[flat mist]

i just pointed out that its not more for less

[low harbor]

it's generally the better pick

[tranquil berry]

than raw damage?

[lilac ermine]

Cause if you go left then you cant take the elite toughness gain

[low harbor]

it is more for less, u pay 1 point for 15% crit chance and 1 more point for 5% crit chance

[low harbor]

yea, longshot usually doesn't have a big impact on breakpoints

[tranquil berry]

no, i mean just in the top part. take the damage from longshot instead

[flat mist]

no, man... you cant get the crit bonus with one point invested

@low harbor you have to view the keystone as a whole

[tranquil berry]

maybe not, but 10% damage, up to 25%... is still raw damage, whereas fast equip does fuck-all on 2/3 weapons

[lilac ermine]

Maybe if not hitting one shot break points but I do still

[tranquil berry]

for those weapons, yeah, I agree, bolter kinda sucks without it

[lilac ermine]

and one motion your switching alot if using vet

[tranquil berry]

but what does it do for the revolver or las-pis?

[low harbor]

OM is actually noticeable for a lot of weapons

there're a few that don't need it yes

but most are actually noticeable

also it makes u throw nade faster

[lilac ermine]

I think maybe with shout it could help with break points

But using exe stance

It like over kills

[low harbor]

keystone itself 1 point
1 point into crit for 15% which u shud have if u go dependency otherwise no point playing this keystone
if u put another 1 point into 4 stack, ur getting 5%, how is it not paying more for less

[flat mist]

why not just read what i wrote earlier?

[tranquil berry]

this is the internet, we don't read

[calm aurora]

I don't think anyone should take cdr stimm with chd or adrenaline

[low harbor]

this?

[flat mist]

these comments

[low harbor]

what is this supposed to mean

that if u get TDR the 4 stack upgrade isn't paying more for less?

[flat mist]

yes

its maths

[low harbor]

5% TDR and 5% crit is worth 1 point?

really?

[calm aurora]

no

[flat mist]

and cdr

[lilac ermine]

And cd

😇

[low harbor]

damn we rly be selling talent points for cheap in this economy

is this the recession indicator yall been waiting for

[calm aurora]

yes

[flat mist]

you're already paying for exactly that with the three previous point investments

[bronze glade]

Gonna be real. 60s on dep also feels like shit

They could remove that from the subnode and I still won’t take it

[low harbor]

no?
1 point 15% crit
1 point 15% TDR
1 point 5% crit, 5% TDR, 10% more CD rate (every 1s counts as 0.1s more)

that last line sounds horrible no matter how u spin it

[timid coral]

ok, so i have talents laid out onto website. how do I share?

[bronze glade]

Just take a screenshot

That’s the easiest way

[flat mist]

you cant get the crit with one point

[astral canyon]

What if i spin in it diagonally

[lilac ermine]

Print screen button and paste on paint

Or print screen and use windows screenshot if you have

[timid coral]

will it work?

[calm aurora]

it's the biggest talent in the entire point economy of the United States of Atoma

[lilac ermine]

Omiga

[calm aurora]

big beautiful buff

[timid coral]

whoo. vets stingy. not here long enough for them

[bronze glade]

Tariffs have done their work! Atoma is great again!

[lilac ermine]

All that tox and not tox grenade..

[timid coral]

so that is me not looking stuff up and guessing how things interact

[lilac ermine]

I think needs a little more on middle and left bottom trees

[timid coral]

Mr Torgue is my guardian angel

[low harbor]

even if u count 15% crit chance as taking 2 points (even tho 1 is keystone itself as a tax), each is still adding 7.5%

[calm aurora]

what weapon are you using?

[low harbor]

that 4 stack upgrade is just horrible

[tranquil berry]

please don't do the math on the "value add" of a keystone modifier.

[timid coral]

as I said. I got class yesterday. I was leveled and this what I ended up with. no tweakinng or testing

[lilac ermine]

Extra attack speed on left bottom+ cleave in middle bottom/damage reduction in middle bottom/15% elite damage in middle bottom

[flat mist]

This isnt that hard.

1 point gets you 30% CDR.

2 points gets you 7.5% crit per point and the CDR.

3 points gets you 5% crit and 5% toughness per point and the CDR or 6.66% crit per point and slightly extra CDR

4 points gets you 5% crit and 5% toughness per point and the extra CDR

[timid coral]

I use bonesaw and dual stubs

mhm

[calm aurora]

my honest advice

[tranquil berry]

I use thunderhammer

[flat mist]

which is exactly why i said if youre taking the TDR the crit math isnt more for less

[low harbor]

yea and that 4th point is just not worth the spend vs other stuff in the tree
u could be getting more

[calm aurora]

darktide good builds do not invest a ton in one path

[tranquil berry]

this reeks of the "sunk cost fallacy"

[flat mist]

sure, but its not more for less if if you're taking the TDR

[calm aurora]

you're missing out on pickpockets, hyperviolence or hypercritical

[flat mist]

its not remotely the sunk cost fallacy

[tranquil berry]

"I'm already 3 points in, what's another point?"

[lilac ermine]

Oh shoot I forgot hyper violence

[bronze glade]

It’s just opportunity cost

[tranquil berry]

kinda is

[bronze glade]

Like massive opportunity costs

[flat mist]

whether its worth the opportunity cost is not what im arguing

[calm aurora]

and the bonesaw has a shitty cleave too

[lilac ermine]

Bone saw needs the extra attack speed stamina talent and cleave talents

[calm aurora]

I was talking to Platypus

[flat mist]

thats not what im saying, nor is it the sunk cost fallacy

[flat mist]

my b

[timid coral]

as I said. What I picked as leveling. I do not look things up online before so have to go by what looks good. here now to refine. I dont care about numbers. fun is goal even if have to handicap character on difficulty

bonesaw slow. that is my complaint about it

[calm aurora]

ok, but it's not just about numbers, it's also about making your experience feels good

[lilac ermine]

There might be some bonesaw builds in that website if you sort by hive scum bone saw

[timid coral]

relic blade fater and thats 2 hand

[lilac ermine]

So you could make a build using those as example

[tranquil berry]

just use the thunderhammer

next time a zealot brings one, shiv the bastard and take his toy

[timid coral]

as I said, I do not look up builds. well I do but not when class is fresh for me. asking here is modifications

[low harbor]

longshot does hit specific breakpoints
emphasis on specific

because it gets so specific that even I'm not bothered to calculate it

[timid coral]

thunderhammer. gah. i keep watching those users get kidneys eaten

[tranquil berry]

nothing wrong with that, with the right hot sauce

[bronze glade]

lol that’s why I run it with 9 stam

Feels bad otherwise

[low harbor]

between ranged ADM falloff (for most weapons) and the myriad of other dmg buffs vet gets, longshot just doesn't make as huge of a difference for most weapons

[calm aurora]

I would use that as a base

[timid coral]

unless you astartes, you only have 2. normally that is second away

[low harbor]

why skip the 25 toughness in the middle

[calm aurora]

i forgot

[low harbor]

and take corruption cleanse stim while using stim crate

[calm aurora]

I MADE A MISTAKE

[timid coral]

i know mine is tougness regen heavy. just get teams of people running off in every direction so have to max that out

[bronze glade]

Burn the witch!

[low harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/misclick-misinput-oops-whoopsie-gif-6912570317298118585

[timid coral]

still get chipped to death

[calm aurora]

you started yesterday?

[flat mist]

Ok so imagine if you spent 1/3 more points in your keystone and got exactly 1/3 more return

[low harbor]

or get hyperviolence for exactly 1 point

hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby

[exotic temple]

https://tenor.com/view/tts-exterminatus-inquisitor-headsmash-gif-20422853

[flat mist]

por que no los dos

[low harbor]

idk he got 3 points left in there

it's def got way better picks than 4 stack dependency lol

[flat mist]

eh im just memeimg at this point, i agree with the opp cost

but id also not take 15% tdr for the same reason

[low harbor]

it's nice for crate build as an instant toughness gain method, the TDR itself is kinda meh

[reef spoke]

as a Desperado main, Hyperviolence is a noob trap and I have unbound my melee key

[timid coral]

on hive scum yes. I have about 2 weeks into game, think this is 3rd or 4th. steam says 370 hrs but I afk often in game

I bought in october, played about week and started playing again couple weeks ago

[tropic crag]

you'll take less chip as you get better at melee and just the flow of everything in general

[timid coral]

wait. maybe 48 hours. it took me 24 hours real life to be level 30 after sleeping

i usually am good at dodge dance. i just cant seem to get right with bonesaw

[tropic crag]

i generally push a fair amount on it, pushing can also lead into some combo rotations if i remember right

but yeah its got an odd flow to it

i've been playing more chaxe and chainsword the past little bit compared to bonesaw

[timid coral]

i keep getting teams that 3 people focus on maybe 45 degree cone. I gotta look out for rest

[tropic crag]

what difficulty?

[timid coral]

malice though ben getting a bunch on other characters on hersy last week

first week was golden, seemed like everyone knew what to do

[tropic crag]

yeah they'll be pretty new players kind of like you are so there are gonna be some "focus" problems lol... if you're finding you are doing fine but failing to clutch (like win when you're the last one alive) then you can probably jump up in difficulty as you feel like it

lol sorry for typos

[timid coral]

my vet, ogryn, and zealot do heresy. scum is no tthere because curios not right, got to 30 today.

[tropic crag]

as long as you're not going into havoc don't worry too much about the curios getting like perfect (and even in havoc its not needed imo)

like getting them close enough is all you need

[timid coral]

i have been clutching on heresy on vet and ogryn. I just am random so dont trust going up to damnation

[tropic crag]

but yeah the closer you get to auric the better players you'll see... there was a surge of new and returning players recently so auric is a bit scuffed sometimes but way better than lower difficulties

i only solo quickplay in these games, even my havocs are just randomly applying to every group

the community is really good tbh, even more so the higher up you go

damnation is kind of rough because its still newer players but its not terrible

[timid coral]

i probaly could do a bit higher. anxiety is a killer for me

[tropic crag]

you get used to it lol

i play aurics and havoc 30s to relax now adays

because bonking heretics is comfy

[brittle sierra]

Bonesaw is probably one of the worst melee weapons in the game

So it might just be a crux on your part 😞

[tropic crag]

naw its pretty good because its on scum lol

if it was on anyone else it would suck, but scum can make anything shine

but it is a weird weapon that requires the user learn how it works and get used to it

[timid coral]

i have not done that many high intense games since I left hospital in '19. getting things back up is the trouble. so many more things going on then pre botulsim me

[tropic crag]

oh man that sucks

as you get more used to the game it starts to feel slower and calmer

[timid coral]

it has. malice was crazy first time now I get lost because no enemies to hit

[brittle sierra]

One of the things that helps makes make you feel more in control is to increase the FOV

The game has it way too low

[tropic crag]

honestly, like mute chat if you don't want to deal with stress, mute voice as well... and don't sweat losses, just play and try your best wherever you're having fun difficulty wise

i play on default FoV and rely on my headphones tbh

wide fov makes me miss because it confuses my spacing

[timid coral]

oh, I only play for fun. I do try to win but I wont rage quit. I find it funny people that leave after being downed

[mighty belfry]

They called for my assassination because I was right. 😤

[timid coral]

I do want to do harder stuff but I dont want to live there if not fu

[tropic crag]

lol sometimes they are crashing, so they go down because they crash and then they dc finally...buuuuut yeah some people outright do rage quit

[mighty belfry]

Honesty though like, pickpocket on a melee build just doesn't have value to me.

[tropic crag]

auric, to me, is the really nice balance between there usually always being a fight and it not being over the top usually

[brittle sierra]

POV:

[mighty belfry]

Because if I'm really in a situation where I'm using my ranged weapon that much on a melee build that I'd even need it, something is just off in general.

[timid coral]

I was mainly talking about people who didnt clutch. last one up then knocked. Bot up right after

[timid coral]

i may get there. I just need to get used to set up. Havent done damnation because havent picked main. I felt heresy was good stop point to level characters

[tropic crag]

yeah ammo gen on melee builds isn't needed even in havoc, like you can run dry in havoc if things really spiral but its not like you'll lose because you ran out usually

[muted pivot]

pickpocket's nice if you like to spam blue syringes ahead of engagement

[tranquil fjord]

does anyone have the voicelines for an arbites and a ganger speaking along the lines of

an arbites saying "you would have made a good arbites" and the hive scum replying "you would have made a good ganger"

[mighty belfry]

I'd rather invest in having something like pocket blackouts if i wanna go that route.

[muted pivot]

if you're only really using needles on elites, specials, bosses you can probably do without it

[muted pivot]

I like both at once lmao

trying to max sample collector value

[tropic crag]

yeah taking it in smaller steps like that isn't bad, lol when i finally got good at vt2 it took me like 250 hours of actually trying to get good because i suck . But now i'm good at tide games so its nice

[muted pivot]

I like rampage because it's a bit like krieg from bl2 with the bloodlust tree

you've got like 3-4 resources to build all by doing other resources

[mighty belfry]

Way my usual melee build is setup, I can't really have both tbh

[tropic crag]

krieg in BL2 was the best class ever made in that series

[muted pivot]

hive scum has so much flexibility in build path anyway

[muted pivot]

it's addictive as hell

[mighty belfry]

And if not pocket toxin, I'd rather invest in something else tbh

[muted pivot]

I called my hive scum "ShinyMeatBicycle"

[tropic crag]

i basically stopped playing borderlands because i couldn't find another thing to compare to krieg lol

[mighty belfry]

I could take off Sweet Spot

But the hit to my finesse damage is actually very noticeable.

[muted pivot]

shivs?

[mighty belfry]

Yeah

[muted pivot]

25% on a weapon with good finesse like that actually counts

[tropic crag]

lol shivs float you across the fight so fast you don't need ranged weapons that often at all tbh

[muted pivot]

especially when hypercrit gives so much extra reach

love adrenaline shivs tbh

everyone raves about chem dependency for melee builds

but shivs can have full uptime on adrenaline and attack speed just feels right tbh

[tropic crag]

i prefer adrenaline but i like chem dep

[muted pivot]

chem dep's great

adrenaline is the fun stuff though

[tropic crag]

adren is just like... it happens and i'm just doing my thing which is nice

[mighty belfry]

I've been liking Chem dep because I run riposte and precog on my shivs

And Chem dep synergizes with those two greatly.

I was trying riposte and executor but its not as punchy to me. Doesn't make the brain chemicals do the happy thing as much.

[sturdy linden]

Why no Uncanny?

[timid coral]

i try to have my gear over recommended. I like to limit my ability to fail. This is not my normal type of game so adjusting

[mighty belfry]

I don't think uncanny is as big of a deal on shivs.

[tropic crag]

is uncanny the crit stacking one or a different one?

[mighty belfry]

The one that stacks rending

[tropic crag]

ohhh... i mean yeah you can get by without it as long as you know your access to certain attacks

or you have a needle gun lol

[timid coral]

Legato Bluesummers was my anime charachter in high school

[mighty belfry]

Uncanny is boring on shivs

I get using it on combat knife because 120% rending means even your lights will do full damage on carapace

[tropic crag]

yeah, honestly i think alot of us forget the game is also just hard, every good player you see 100% did their time losing lol

[mighty belfry]

But 40% rending only guarantees full damage to carapace on heavies.

And while it helps with lights on flak armor

If you do a fuck ton of finesse damage, that's basically negligible

[tropic crag]

yeah its not really needed, its like a brain off and on thing

[timid coral]

I know. I eat my loses but doesnt mean I have to liek the taste

[tropic crag]

fair

[mighty belfry]

Especially because the second you proc precog, hyperviolence kicks in to transfer damage to those armored targets anyway.

[tropic crag]

yeah scum have like... alot of paths to making something explode lol

[mighty belfry]

The day people see the light and stop relying on the ol' combat knife meta for shivs is the day I'll be happy.

[timid coral]

if something is in my control to prevent it then yeah, I will do that. there usually isnt communication being random so I gotta guess what people want me to do

[bronze glade]

Hey I don’t run riposte on knife

[timid coral]

thats why I make sure my weapons are leveled to top for difficulty. i mean, cleaning mobs in one slice until heresy

[mighty belfry]

I mean uncanny specifically

That's like the only really obligatory choice

And that's only because 120% rending is just objectively too much to look past.

[tropic crag]

in general you don't need communication outside of pings, because anyone saying anything is going to come after the game already alerted everyone via the sound system. So like, speaking too often can drown out important sound queues keeping people alive (not saying you can't say things, sometimes coms can be handy)

[timid coral]

the dodge in game feels off. I know idged more than 12 in row but dont have that. the air in front of me has caused damage

[tropic crag]

you'll get the dodge thing in higher difficulties lol, you're probably failing a dodge on accident in lower difficulties by dodging when not being attacked at that moment

[timid coral]

wasnt a complaint. I just remember in lsome game we said stretch before radio silence

though sometimes, and no reaction. sniper ruins run because i got chipped and no one else wants to try to poke

[tropic crag]

the dodge gives you mini iframes against some attacks but mostly what it does is drop tracking for you

lol use that time to learn how to dodge a sniper because eventually you'll suddenly find times where like 6 redlines are drawn on you

if you dodge as it makes the wind up sound or a bit before it will shoot where you were

[timid coral]

my timing is not perfect. i say 50% user error.

[tropic crag]

if you can't get a shot on it then just block line of sight and kill whats bothering you there then get the sniper

[timid coral]

tekken was my shit so i see what is going on

[tropic crag]

yeah the timing takes practice tbh

eventually the timing will be baked into your brain lol

[timid coral]

it will. thats why not worried. I only asked if slight modifcation may befit

and I may not be on final build of hive scum. i know I am not. more skills and what not to get penaces for

[tropic crag]

were you running gun or melee focused?

at the moment i mean

[exotic temple]

This may sound counterintuitive but damnation runs can be easier than heresy because the team members tend to be better

[timid coral]

melee, why using bonesaw and perks for melee dmg against chem toxin eneies. the kill of one for 15% toughness is why i went that route

[timid coral]

it makes sense. peeps know what to do. I usually have better time in heresy then malice

[tropic crag]

that is a super comfy skill, the toughness regen one, you can face tank things in auric with it

[timid coral]

I am not there yet. gave up on being random so eating my hating being social. went to discord to find group of similar level peeps

[tropic crag]

lol that def works for some people, i like the randoms because it makes every match different lol

[bronze glade]

i exclusively play with pubs for this reason

it's very funny

sometimes infuriating

but mostly very funny

[azure scroll]

Has anyone done the math on the rending vs finesse vs crit on the strength stim with daggers?

[brittle sierra]

it's always crit unless you are playing ogryn

[slim shell]

okay so the game looks awesome and i just bought it
is it worth for me to get hive scum right away or should i play something else first?

[bronze glade]

suggest learning the game with zealot or vet first

hive scum isn't the easiest to pick up if you're new

[slim shell]

thats what i heard

but it looks really cool

[woeful hill]

I personally would recommend starting with no dlc, you get everything but 2 classes. Which is fine, the dlc classes are also not beginner friendly. Best to start with zealot/vet and learn the game and when you want to try out more weapons/classes try out the dlcs

[slim shell]

so i figured i ask the professionals

love how you both gave the same answer

tells me its good advice lmao

thx

[low harbor]

hive scum def not for complete beginners
arb is much more approachable if ur completely new but if u don't wanna fork out the money for dlc right away prob start on zealot

[tender light]

Idek what finesse does ngl

[woeful hill]

crit damage and weakspot damage

[tulip magnet]

Game keeps crashing this update

[tropic crag]

try verifying if you haven't already, steam likes to break darktide every update

[mighty belfry]

Hive scum is not beginner friendly because it actually requires some understanding of the game to get the rhythm of the class down.

Arbitrator is not beginner friendly because it gets away with so many things just by being so ridiculously tanky and safe to play that it instills bad habits for newer players.

They're both bad for beginners for polar opposite reasons and I find that amusing.

[limber cradle]

Best starter class Zealot

Next best is Vet

[brittle sierra]

Nah we ball

Get scum and be a drug addict

[zealous ravine]

starting off as hive scum would be funny

you'd probably learn pretty fast unless you bounce off the game at least

[brittle sierra]

Psyker would make you never learn the game

[zealous ravine]

psyker moment

[brittle sierra]

"what's blocking?"

"what's dodging?"

Where is my "wipe screen" button?

[zealous ravine]

i'd like to see a massive scriers cd increase

like 25s to 45s mayhaps

25s is crazy

[low harbor]

all psyker abilities

[zealous ravine]

i'd b entirely ok with that yeah

scriers just feels extra crazy cause you usually didnt have the cdr talent before

[low harbor]

shriek 50s
bubble 60s (wall 45s)
SG 50s

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396860171541807105/1232138126441582642/mfw_deadass.gif

[zealous ravine]

idk about wall 45s

always wished that one had some real low cd

the others im fine with

[mighty belfry]

Honestly it's not even Scrier's innate cd thats the issue but the ability counting down while active.

Because why the hell can it do that but rampage can't?

[low harbor]

wall honestly can be 20s like BTL

however

[mighty belfry]

Or no

[low harbor]

given it's psyker

[zealous ravine]

i really just wanna see wall actually be used tbh

[mighty belfry]

It could do with a cd nerf too but thats the real fundamental issue with scriers for me

[low harbor]

because hvs' tree's CD rate (and the cartel stims') use a separate & specific CD rate instance that doesn't get called while ability is active

[zealous ravine]

i dont think the cd decreases naturally

[mighty belfry]

It does.

[zealous ravine]

it do?

[mighty belfry]

It wasn't like that before.

[zealous ravine]

i rember it being just ohh

[mighty belfry]

The tree rework changed that.

[low harbor]

this is the current state:

• combat_ability_cooldown_regen_modifier does not work when the combat ability in question has respective pause cooldown settings. all Hive Scum abilities do currently, and so do Scrier's Gaze and Chorus
• reduce_ability_cooldown_time and reduce_ability_cooldown_percentage can be called at any time (by a talent or by concentration stimm) and work

[mighty belfry]

Because apparently Scrier's needed to be buffed to the moon.

[zealous ravine]

so thats another scriers buff id idnt know about?

thats awesome awesome

thanks fs

[low harbor]

hive scum does not have reduce_ability_cooldown_time or reduce_ability_cooldown_percentage

and only has the version of CD rate that doesn't get called

[mighty belfry]

I mean. I do know why. What I mean is, why would they buff Scrier's to do that?

[low harbor]

they didn't buff scrier's to do that

[mighty belfry]

It didn't function like that before.

[low harbor]

it was a thing before

[zealous ravine]

guh? i rember only the talent decreasing the cd

[mighty belfry]

I'm pretty sure it wouldn't count down before the rework.

[zealous ravine]

not naturally

[low harbor]

combat_ability_cooldown_regen_modifier (the CD rate that doesn't get called) is introduced recently specifically for hvs

[mighty belfry]

That was the first thing I noticed playing Scrier's after the rework.

Yeah but really, Scrier's worked how Rampage does now except that I believe Psykinetic's Aura could cut down the CD with each elite and specialist you kill.

It counting down was not innately a thing before the rework.

[zealous ravine]

5000 more scriers gaze buffs

[mighty belfry]

I don't know why they did that.

[zealous ravine]

its not over just yet

cooldown decreased to 5 seconds

[mighty belfry]

Or if that was even an intentional thing.

[zealous ravine]

could be? they did change the cdr talent too

[low harbor]

psyker shud have longest CD of all classes

[mighty belfry]

Because it basically gives Scrier's permanent uptime.

And it has absolutely no business being that sustainable.

[low harbor]

50~60s for most psyker abilities seem abt ok given psyker's broken kit

[zealous ravine]

scriers cd reduced by 50 seconds

[mighty belfry]

You also heal corruption during the duration.

[low harbor]

are u sure that's not gonna result in like a 7-digit long CD

[zealous ravine]

thats the fun part

[low harbor]

yk wat would be actually cool

make scrier's just, not pause peril after u hit 100%

u just blow up after u reach 100%

[zealous ravine]

awesome

[low harbor]

but make crystaline will baked in

and make that peril explosion better and scale with the buffs u get from SG

[zealous ravine]

they'd somehow spin that into another scriers buff

no corruption or smth

[low harbor]

one day they will nerf psyker proper

[zealous ravine]

Tomorrow

[low harbor]

I have slightly more faith in falchion buff than psyker nerf

[zealous ravine]

falchion fully replaced with power fist

millions must cheer

[low harbor]

falchion cud be a rly cool and good weapon with 8~10 buffs

[zealous ravine]

idk about cool but if it was good that'd be nice

[low harbor]

given FS's most recent track record their power fist will prob be power maul replica

[low harbor]

change push atk to using heavy profiles and it's cool in moveset

[zealous ravine]

yea am just not particularly interested in another 1h psword

[low harbor]

their power fist implementation will prob be og power maul like with a lengthy power atk CD

and weak normal atks

given their recent track record

we actually went from arb shield & maul

to falchion

to bonesaw

so much aura loss

[zealous ravine]

yeahh cant say i've liked the recent melee weapons that much

bonesaw is like actually cursed

[low harbor]

also if u don't buy the dlcs then 2025 weapon-wise u only got 2 variants and falchion (vet exclusive and it's not even good)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396860171541807105/1232138126441582642/mfw_deadass.gif

[zealous ravine]

that is true

vet shoulda had a melee + pistol style wep instead

that'd go crazy

do a push and the follow up is a close range shot with the pistol LOL

that does extra dmg to staggered targets

[austere coyote]

and it's still better than crowbar lmao

[dull valve]

whats cartel special?

[drifting heron]

The last tab in your inventory

[dull valve]

the stim lab?

[drifting heron]

It lets you customize a special stimm that replenishes automatically on cooldown

[sturdy linden]

Bonesaw is good though

[light phoenix]

Bonesaw I feel requires building into, if on its own it takes a lot like a child even a mother would struggle to love

[sturdy linden]

I mean, you just build for crit and tox

[light phoenix]

That's my point, feels like there's only one way to play it

Doesn't help that it's the only mark

Hope Crowbar and Bonesaw get variants

[dim moth]

and cleave

[final temple]

not like scum can build into much else. 2/3rds of its auras/abilities/keystones emphasize your weapon choice

[austere ibex]

"I just LOVE Krak" -One of the guys I met in a match (I forgot his name ☹️)

[low harbor]

I think it trades away too much to be a dot weapon

[mighty belfry]

i'll give a whole, entire penny to who answers what class the person with the most damage was running correctly

[austere coyote]

admech

[mighty belfry]

unfortunately no

[pulsar aspen]

Psyker...probably.

[mighty belfry]

❌

[pulsar aspen]

Okay, since i've used my answer and could now go through all the classes that are left.. just what was the difficulty?

[mighty belfry]

Havoc 40.

It was pretty smooth, all things considered.

And there was no golden toughness too so that was a treat.

I guess to break the ice.

That was a zealot that did that.

[fallen void]

prithee, what blessings and perks on needler?

[mighty belfry]

unyielding, reload speed

blessings are up to pref tbh

I run stripped down and run n' gun personally.

[spice cloud]

Veteran?

[mighty belfry]

Already answered up top.

[spice cloud]

Ah damn

[mighty belfry]

But that woulda been an ❌

[spice cloud]

I was going by special kills

[mighty belfry]

It feels like having both melee scum and stealth zealot just synergize really well for some reason.

They were also just extremely good at doing what they were doing so.

[fallen void]

best class gaming

[mighty belfry]

Bosses were just a straight non-issue this game. Was really nice.

[flat mist]

this fucking event is so garbage

its not the goddamn pox gas

theres no fuCKING GRENADES

UGGHH

every goddamn crate i open is just full of stimms

[pulsar aspen]

Hive Scum when they don't get their busted rockets

[flat mist]

fkn withdrawals man

i was raging out

[dire badge]

I only find rockets are better than chem grenades if there's rotten armor

[flat mist]

i prefer chem grenades too tbh

my rageout was just lack of nade pickups in general

[main trellis]

Not really; both are insane & work in different circumstances better than the other
However; due to how HS works, rockets are generally better due to 2 things;

• stagger
• immediate threat deletion
  With chems you have to still kite & wait and if you end up surrounded rockets will bail you out; chems might not be fast enough (despite incredible potency); not to mention boss stagger

[timid coral]

I was starting to get toasty last night, wondering if I remember correctly. I should be using two toughness curios with favoring right side of talent tree

[unique dagger]

Chem grenade and rocket debate is easy to answer:

Rockets are immediate solutions to density problems and they are easier to use. BUT they can't anchor spawn points during a horde/ambush.
Use them when density becomes high (crusher mauler bulwark packs, monster plus elites, rinda rodin plus extras etc)
Choose rockets in modifiers where elites are way more oppressive (rotten armor, rampaging etc)

Chem grenades are also solutions to density problems BUT they can't deal with elites immediately. You should use them to lock down enemy pathing so the entire ambush dies to one singular chem grenade.
They require knowledge on spawn locations and grenade spread so you can chuck them at the most effective location during fights.
They are aslo incredibly potent at isolating bossfights for easier takedowns in low boss damage setups.
Choose chem grenades in modifiers where enemy amount is causing the main pressure! (low cleave melee wep builds, moebian modifier etc.)

ESPECIALY FOR HAVOC 40 DUO/SOLOS you need to kite enemies around a main point for both rocket and chem grenade to get maximum value. Know how to position yourself and one grenade will solve an entire havoc 40 wave.

nuts how baller strong hive scum grenades are lol

[near mauve]

best nades in the game hands down

[main trellis]

Yeah but thats duo/solo - its smth majority of ppl won’t even try nor want to do

[main trellis]

I would add that its map dependant - tight maps make chems better to use
Building for low cleave weps is no issue tbh; chaf is never a problem - its more modifiers like blight - chems in that are good cause everything dies steadily in 1 place & do not spread

• with chems you cannot play scared aka throw them & fight in them so enemy won’t try to kite around the area
  Same for inferno but those are dogshit

[bleak jetty]

This is your reminder to bring the double barrel for scum

[upbeat gyro]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JNQAZ0qmRs

Guess he could next start whole series about all the things he was wrong and make another 20 videos about those

[near mauve]

anyone with a brain knows that scum is busted if u know how to play

i actually cant believe all these guys making money off the game were saying otherwise

[fast wind]

next week hivescum weak

then week after hivescum strong as is the cycle

[lunar lichen]

The eternal circle of the hive scum

[spice cloud]

Scum is a funky glass cannon

[limber cradle]

Prince Rupert's Drop cannon

[main trellis]

Don’t forget; we talk about the same dude who believed the next class is gonna be a ratling cause some random troll send him a poorly rendered vid of a crouched vet with weapon customization mod active to add vigil auto a scope

[near mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-cat-uncanny-cat-gif-17717270398074174657

[normal steeple]

He made that himself

He emailed me asking for help making it

[main trellis]

If thats true
Then its even worse than it already is

[brittle sierra]

Make content saying X take

Make content saying X take was wrong and now have Y take

The cycle continues

Reaction slop 101

[compact oyster]

Thats even sadder

[jaunty spire]

Next class should be a felinid. ThiccTuna would make so much money from the furry community they can actually afford good servers

[lilac ermine]

Kiting is for cowards

[astral canyon]

so true bestie

either that or new personality for veteran

im still wondering if or when we'll get official artwork depicting felinids

[limber cradle]

You should probably stop wondering

If GW wanted to it'd have been in Liber Xenos

[astral canyon]

im wondering when tongs' public execution will take place

[main trellis]

Pathetic

[compact oyster]

https://klipy.com/gifs/ishowspeed-meme

[bronze glade]

I feel like trying to modify something stored server side is a violation of TOS lol

[compact oyster]

model changes and the hitbox alongside it yes

[normal steeple]

it was a thing for ogryn like 3 years ago

you could have mini tiny ogryns

but they patched

[compact oyster]

since its server side not client side visually

[bronze glade]

Yeah what he’s looking for would change the model

[dire badge]

double barrel blessings nad perks?

[echo python]

People did manage to do that around release. I think it worked by modifying the minimum possible values for the height slider in character creation, which was apparently not sanitized back then.

I do remember one knee-height ogryn

I don't know if the hitbox changes though, but the perspective apparently did

[bronze glade]

I went with fire frenzy manstopper

Really depends on how you build your tree tho

[dire badge]

not atall for ranged

pure mele build

[bronze glade]

Then I would pick some other gun

[hot edge]

h40 trio with randoms (this class is beyond op)

[fallen void]

someone slide a good chem box build

i cant be assed to make one myself

[brittle sierra]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a077d553-91e8-46ba-98db-89673f567985/porfessional-fent-dealer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[fallen void]

can bonesaw work with this

[brittle sierra]

Bonesaw is one of the worst weapons in the game

But no, you would need to take some toxin nodes on the bottom right to make it work

[zealous ravine]

bonesaw moment

i doubt its one of the worst despite how fricked up it is

[sacred pilot]

the chem gun is just chad though

popping a mute with two shots and walking away like a cool guy

same with dogs

the way this gun rewards accuracy is "chef's kiss"

What's the best AoE clear melee wpn for Scum?

opinions only, keep your facts for the Tribunal...

[dim moth]

I cannot honestly say it's one of hte worst simply because of chem toxin

2 chem toxin stacks kills trash and about 4 kills most elites and when your melee is applying those stacks on every swing

It's kinda hard for it to not kill shit even if it feels bad

[sturdy linden]

crazy take

[dim moth]

especially if you use coated weaponry+shred on it and just run both cleave talents

it will actually just mince everything in melee

crushers included

by just spamming melee

[sturdy linden]

even a single cleave talent + coated weaponry works

don't even need Shred, though it's nice. Deci's strength bonus helps with direct damage + tox stack damage

[sacred pilot]

so then the question is, what has the best range / hits most enemies per swing / swings fastest

[dim moth]

is decimator not melee strength?

it's global?

[sturdy linden]

it just says Power

[dim moth]

because I'm like 90% confident decimator does not affect tox stack damage

[sturdy linden]

so I am assuming it is global

I don't have the giga detail mod

but even if it were, I like having Deci anyway because it enables Shock & Awe much better

[dim moth]

it does give you assloads of extra cleave tho

[sturdy linden]

yeah, inherent cleave from strength + easier maintenance of S&A

iirc even without Shred I had a melee crit rate of I think 60+ on my scoreboard

or 50+

[dim moth]

yeah but crits are the biggest DPS increase on bonesaw

chem tox doesn't care about cleave damage loss

(or armor)

[sturdy linden]

I guess Deci is better for all-rounder horde management + damage, Shred edges out for carapace and bosses

but either way

calling Bonesaw the worst weapon is crazy lol

[bronze glade]

True

Crowbar exists

[mighty belfry]

It's not.

[sturdy linden]

FartShart pls

[mighty belfry]

Decimator is coded as melee strength specifically

Also I wouldn't say Bone Saw is one of the worst weapons in terms of its raw performance.

But its definitely one of the worst feeling weapons

And its arguably not very good for mixed hordes.

[zealous ravine]

bonesaw and crowbar fighting vegeta vs goku style on who wins the most goofed wep competition

[teal spoke]

hey what is your opinion on flak armor vs carapace refinement which one is the best?

[zealous ravine]

i usually just go flak

[mighty belfry]

Do you mean for perks?

[teal spoke]

yea perks

[sturdy linden]

people keep saying Saw feels bad and I never get it lol

[mighty belfry]

It depends honestly

[teal spoke]

let me guess bucause of body shots

right

[zealous ravine]

it feels so fricked

[mighty belfry]

Personally, Flak is a safe pick because a lot of enemies are Flak armored

[dim moth]

it definitely can be just because of how little you actually need to hit enemies for them to be certainly dead

[teal spoke]

right

[dim moth]

even without cleave you only need to hit maulers/ragers like 2 or 3 times and then they're going to die to chem tox

[mighty belfry]

But if you do enough damage to not need to care about that, carapace is a good bet unless the weapon in particular just has absolutely awful adms against it

[teal spoke]

it goes well with double barrel shotgunss right

[dim moth]

It's the sound design and not having a very straightforward moveset

Also dclaw tier flak ADMs in tox mode

[mighty belfry]

The issue is actually cleaving them to spread the toxin among a mixed horde

[pallid quail]

also how it gets stuck like a chainsword

[sturdy linden]

idk, +50% cleave talent + Shock & Awe goes a very long way

[mighty belfry]

Even with the appropriate blessings, it simply isn't that good at it.

[dim moth]

yeah the strikedown heavies on it are bad

[sturdy linden]

take the 2nd cleave talent too if you REALLY want

[pallid quail]

still not enough

[dim moth]

they actually do pretty fantastic damage to maniacs/unyielding tho

and nothing else

[zealous ravine]

i hate that latches are slow even with a lot of attack speed

[mighty belfry]

Yeah it is definitely crazy strong against anything that's flesh.

Thats true.

[pallid quail]

yea srsly. it shouldnt require 9 stam to get the atk speed to something reasonable

[mighty belfry]

It's armor that bone saw really has an issue with

[sturdy linden]

honestly I just light spam once Shock & Awe is going, throwing in a PA-heavy every few seconds

[mighty belfry]

And it's not a damage issue either.

[sturdy linden]

and it absolutely mulches

[zealous ravine]

i think the latches just arent affected by AS actually

and they specificallay put those latch attacks on the class that gets the MOST attack speed in the game

so thats hilarious

[mighty belfry]

Tbf

I'll admit, maybe I'm thinking too much for Havoc sake

It's fine in Auric

Because hit mass isn't buffed to high hell there.

[dim moth]

Yeah I haven't actually played much havoc at all since HS released since I cba to get past the party finder final boss

Or use the LFG here

[mighty belfry]

I haven't played Auric in a while

[zealous ravine]

what if we all just hallucinated havoc

[dire badge]

I run bongocat forp roof of havoc runs. I dont get as many key presses in auric

[pallid quail]

wat

[zealous ravine]

i dont know what that means but awesome

[dim moth]

https://tenor.com/view/boykisser-gif-7099278856497118059

[zealous ravine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1099414400990970006/1202747637003190362/bird_squish.gif

[low harbor]

if those could activate from DOT kills it'd be better

[sturdy linden]

It would yeah

It would be truly amazing then

But even without that it's good

Frankly, dot kills not activating on-kill effects is stupid anyway

[astral canyon]

shock and awe at least should be able to proc from them

at the very least

doesnt it already work like this with ranged kill talents and needler?

[mighty belfry]

Yes and no. It's very weird.

Like for desperado. Toxin kills can proc the cooldown effect but it has to be the enemy you hit with the toxin

So you can't spam mk2 aoe toxin and proc it off anything that got hit by the aoe.

[astral canyon]

"yes and no" is already better than bonesaw's "no"

[astral canyon]

yes thats what i mean

[mighty belfry]

Yeah.

[astral canyon]

you hit the enemy with the needler shot and when they die from the toxin that counts as a ranged kill

[mighty belfry]

Yeah.

[astral canyon]

what about the other ranged kill talents?

like the one that replenishes toughness

[mighty belfry]

I'm honestly not sure on that one.

I know it works for the ranged damage talent up top.

[low harbor]

idk abt that lol

[low harbor]

nah the stagger breakpoints, cleave and atk speed are pretty bad

esp stagger & cleave

[zealous ravine]

if one bonesaw is bad clearly we need dual bonesaws

[manic wolf]

It needs a 15% attack speed bump otherwise it just feels clumsy

Even with SE

Slow weapon = less able to react on the fly to new threats, even if its by a small amount, its something that can outright make or break a weapon

Like Thunderhammer is a good example of this, does it deal giga-damage? Absolutely, but its painful to use in high stress situations so it sees very little play, particularly when the Relic Sword exists, which is just TH without feeling like you're swimming through molasses

[zealous ravine]

slow low cleave dot wep

so over

[muted pivot]

Tbh Thunderhammer damage isn't even that giga most of the time, doesn't it need an ability to kill a Crusher in one tap?

It's just the boss bonus

[mighty belfry]

I get your point but this is a little off. That giga damage is pretty much exclusively for bosses and the like. It's mid otherwise in every regard.

[low harbor]

Below mid

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396860171541807105/1232138126441582642/mfw_deadass.gif

[mighty belfry]

Relic blade is more used because it's just a far more generalist weapon but it does not amass nearly as much boss killing potential at all except for like

Captains and BoNs

[dire badge]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/m3McqOsu312oNiBFS?invite=cr-MSxuZ24sMjE1MjQ4NzUz&v=146 any tips on movement here? i feel like im just dodge spamming most of the time

[mighty belfry]

Tbf I can see you have jittery so you're within your right to do that.

I tend to chain dodges and slides a lot to get around.

Dodge, sprint slide, dodge, sprint slide, so on and so forth.

For jittery, it don't matter much since you recover your dodges so fast but without, it helps you move pretty fast without depleting your dodges too quickly if you really can't stop moving.

[reef spoke]

to be fair. trappers have been probably the most unfair specialist for a long time now

honorable mention to unblockable dogs (thankfully gone)

[mighty belfry]

Trappers are in severe need of a hit mass limit.

[reef spoke]

indeed

ogryn patrol? na it was actually 2 trappers behind a bulwark

[mighty belfry]

This game's density just does not allow for justification for them being able to shoot through any number of enemies.

It wasn't that big of a deal before but it definitely is now.

[reef spoke]

I don't think you're doing anything wrong in the twitch clip from a Rampage Hive Scum perspective

[mighty belfry]

Also honestly

I think dogs are even worse right now lol

[reef spoke]

it seems to be information and spatial awareness

which is something Darktide has been notoriously bad at...

[limber cradle]

Dogs never got fixed from the scum update breaking them more than they already were ime

Poxbursters are mildly better but they aren't like

"Fixed"

[reef spoke]

There used to be a time where lag meant you couldn't block dogs lol

[mighty belfry]

That happens.

[reef spoke]

honestly just the disabling specialists are the problem

[mighty belfry]

That got introduced with the scum update again

[reef spoke]

it's just not fun to deal with them

[reef spoke]

hell yeah

[mighty belfry]

Along with instapounces.

More than half of them do it from my experience

[limber cradle]

Trappers feel worse than ever rn ime

[reef spoke]

to be honest I've just been used to them instantly pouncing lol

I thought it was normal

[reef spoke]

It's been so bad I installed Spidey Sense and tuned it so it only shows Trappers lmao

[mighty belfry]

It is beyond frustrating dealing with a horde only to get instapounced out of nowhere and take a ton of melee chip or worse, overheaded

Or ranged too.

[reef spoke]

part of why one of my most played classes is Arbites now lol

"I can just not deal with dogs? Ok sign me up"

[limber cradle]

Getting insta pounced and a flamer shows up from out of nowhere to see how strong your irl mental is

[reef spoke]

Fatshark coordinating with Tzeentch so you get the Trapper + flamer combo with a team that doesn't pick you up

I love randoms btw

[limber cradle]

Randoms when you instantly unnet them and pick them up everytime they fall but the second you go down the run is over

[reef spoke]

"Noah's Ark couldn't carry these animals"

[tulip magnet]

I keep crashing 5 minutes in this update. Unplayable

Good thing the event has no cash reward because I'm not gonna be able to get to the end of it

[near mauve]

do u use mods

i was crashing because of scoreboard

its broken

[bronze glade]

scoreboard is fine, just needs like 20 patches

[near mauve]

i downloaded some patch from modding discord and it worked

[woeful hill]

I have a zipbomb for you

https://tenor.com/view/doudou-oye-cat-funny-cat-love-cats-gif-13560839042944678924

[mighty belfry]

It's why I run Forge's Bellow on most Rampage builds

[bronze glade]

forge bellow is peak

[mighty belfry]

Only time I don't run it is with pocket blackouts tbh

[thorny ginkgo]

just played with a level 1502 hivescum

good lord

[thorny ginkgo]

how im tryna be

[woeful hill]

DotNL moment

[near mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/aitor-gif-7084060237011549479

[thorny ginkgo]

does it make any sense to use this mark on a rampage build over the pointy ones

[bronze glade]

yup if you take 9stam

[low harbor]

I got the version from modding discord and it works without extra patches

[bronze glade]

possibly, there's way too many scoreboard versions running around

[lavish parrot]

Wdym anarchist yells "To whom it may concern" as he pulls out a rocket launcher

[astral canyon]

I take both ngl

[spark gyro]

Stupid idea of the day:

Ironically not a crit weapon

[drifting heron]

Are you most certain

[spark gyro]

Sure looks like it doesn't have good crit

[drifting heron]

Headhunter

[spark gyro]

I mean yeah, but I'm saying the crit damage is kinda doo-doo

~32% compared to the ~100% from headshots

[drifting heron]

Got crit strings though

[spark gyro]

The revolver is the opposite, for example

The IAG has crit strings too, doesn't it?

That one has some leanings into crit damage for certain armour types, though it beats me why it's not uniform

Weird-ass game: >, =, >, <, <, =

[tulip magnet]

I disabled mods yesterday and I'm still crashing

[bronze glade]

the finesse multiplier is really high tho

and crit strings

[spark gyro]

High to me is, like

Not 32%

The headshots deal some sick damage, but the crits are not as impressive

Hell, knife is high

[pallid sapphire]

best crowbar blessings?

[sturdy linden]

1. Don't
2. Use

[pallid sapphire]

ok but I had a team member in havoc 35 popping off with the crowbar so I've gots to know

[sturdy linden]

Being serious it's probably a combo of Bash, Can Opener, Opportunist, Superiority

Whatever 2 of them depending on preference. Personally I'd keep Opportunist there for sure, and choose whichever one of the other 3 your playstyle likes

[bronze glade]

you should be using at the crit weakspot value anyway

[tardy cedar]

they should have given Hive Scum dual wield crowbars instead of dual-wield shivs

[bronze glade]

nah

[reef spoke]

they should make the crowbar do damage instead lol

[light phoenix]

I'd like a Crowbar variant where the alternate mode is jabbing with the pointy end

[main trellis]

Crowbar should have hammerblow blessing & it would be great
Now its mid in comparrison to common choices

Cause not much stagger nor crit nor dmg (to a degree)

[spark gyro]

Every melee weapon should have headtaker and uncanny strike

https://tenor.com/view/gato-cat-meme-funny-gif-10043909485181631741

[light phoenix]

Every ranged weapon should have Uncanny Strike

[spark gyro]

Ruthless anystab: every hit gets extra rending

[pallid quail]

so it can suck twice as hard ?

[pallid quail]

give picks bromentum

[reef spoke]

Crowbar with no cooldown Limbbreaker pls

[spark gyro]

Imagine if limbsplitter actually didn't have dogshit requirements

"oops you did a light attack when the blessing was up haha sorry lol"

[low harbor]

It needs deadly accurate

[dull dagger]

How do I regen grenades on this class?

[austere coyote]

can only regen blinders

and for those you get 1 back per every 20 close range kills

[dull dagger]

Ah, so that's why they are preferred.

I was using those chem ones since they felt really good for area denial.

And is my dump stat on crowbar mobility?

[austere coyote]

ye

[dull dagger]

Doing a crowbar / needle pistol build, is crowbar good for crushers?

[compact oyster]

yah

[dull dagger]

Not sure which of the two would be better for dealing with carapace.

[austere coyote]

needle is better

[dull dagger]

Gotcha.

What about bone saw, dump stat also mobility?

[verbal dew]

yes

it's p safe to just go mobility dump on all scum specific weapons

[flat mist]

dumpstat crit chance imo

1.2% crit chance and irrelevant crit damage vs 0.18 sprint speed and minor dodge distance

[dull dagger]

Isn't defences also a common dump stat? I noticed crowbar had both mobility and defences, wasn't sure which was more...dumpy.

[winged bay]

I think the sprint speed is better yeah

[dull dagger]

So what are like the best weapons on scum?

I figure it's been long enough for people to test all the things.

[unreal stirrup]

if the weapon name doesn't include "crowbar" then it good

[dull dagger]

Oh damn, crowbar is not good? How come?

[astral canyon]

Or bonesaw

[dull dagger]

The bonesaw is bad too?! Man those are all the coolest melees for the class.

[vapid jungle]

You can still use them and win.

[austere coyote]

toxin is strong enough to offset the bonesaw being crap, mostly

but you'll still sometimes struggle a little

[dull dagger]

I saw a YouTube video from Reginald saying something like the bonesaw competes with Vet power sword for havoc.

[astral canyon]

Lol no

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[muted pivot]

tbh I think the other options are more preferred

rockets and chembombs are so so powerful

and you get 3-4 per pickup

generally, if you have a scum not using blinders, you want to funnel the majority of the grenades your team finds into the scum

it's supplanted ogrebombs as the top priority

[near mauve]

i ran box of boom and took all the nades from the scum last game

[astral canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/dante-dante-devil-may-cry-devil-may-cry5-hello-hello-based-department-gif-26042779

[main trellis]

Regi lost his credibility card after many questionable build choices (respectable tho for testing things but his builds can be better)

[vapid jungle]

Not many weapons can be compared to the power sword. Bone Saw ain't one of them.

[near mauve]

link the vid cause that makes no sense

[dull dagger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgW5eEJaIU0

[near mauve]

oh this vid

from what i remember he said this about the chemist build

unless im misremembering

[dull dagger]

Yeah.

Said it was comparable to inferno psyker as well I think?