hivescum-class

[hallow socket]

Yeah

[manic wolf]

You do want the attack speed based on Stam node for them tho

(You will get Carpel Tunnel)

[livid raven]

bind a button to spam light attack with skitarii

[hallow socket]

It's 50% on next melee attack if your hit 3 or more enemies

[livid raven]

or was it skitarius

[hallow socket]

With a single attack on shivs. The light spam?

[shrewd thorn]

thanks!

[hallow socket]

Carapace and unyielding. Someone mentioned here earlier flak is for hyper violence.

[shrewd thorn]

Ahhh ok cheers!

[heavy patio]

mobility or defences as a dump stat on chainaxe?

[main trellis]

Mobility for mk4 (cause your core horde dealing combo is push att - heavy when in high density)
Defence for mk12

[heavy patio]

ty!!

[thorny ginkgo]

whats the ideal blessings and perks for devil claws sword

[bronze glade]

flakiac shred/rampage

[pallid sapphire]

I actually really like the rending + reload speed for desperado builds but cooldown could be good too

[misty hearth]

How good is Haymaker on the Shivs?

[main trellis]

Until they do smth to pickpocket; att spd with reload + str rending (DAP)/crit (INFauto) is better

Unless you use crate/despy yes
With rampage its not needed

[muted pivot]

Poxhoundshit

[pallid sapphire]

Damage doesnt matter for needle right?

[lavish bronze]

Yup

[unique spire]

Crit does

For extra stacking

[solemn merlin]

Yo am I crazy

Does hive scum suck in its own class event?

[pallid sapphire]

yea

Honestly it's probably because most players are too stupid to spam stims

Like getting a backstab zealot who doesnt kill bosses

or a flame psyker who can't deal with chaff

[solemn merlin]

The fact we can’t pick up our own stims

I have to beg someone in chat to stim me

[young canyon]

I'm also using a Chem Build... Idk what the other Stim Pistol Mode does but by god the damage over time... It almost nista kills nearly every Elite enemy and such, Idk who says the Hive Scum is Underpowered

[solemn merlin]

It’s just aoe mode

I think less potent

But it shoots small aoe for better horde clearing

[lilac schooner]

buff hivescump

[young canyon]

Wait, The Sitm Postila has a n AOE MODE!?!

[final temple]

the mk iii

the other one technically has one too but it’s just a stagger instead of spreading

[young canyon]

Well Thank god I switched the mark then

[mighty belfry]

Mk2 is basically temu purge staff with Chem build and pickpocket

[pallid sapphire]

Alternate fire makes it to where the target that dies explodes

And spreads more chem toxin

for the mk6

or, maybe it just explodes does flat damage and staggers

[wanton dock]

sadly this decription is pretty accurate.
I hope we eventually get the Chemthrower as our equivalent Walmart Purge Staff

https://www.reddit.com/r/necromunda/comments/zdh8gc/escher_specialist_with_chemthrower_and_a/

[supple torrent]

So with the event I guess we just spec out of cartel special?

[pallid sapphire]

in solo queue yeah

if you play with a team don't do that

your team can just pump drugs into you once they're finished pumping themselves full

[supple torrent]

I feel like there's infinite stimms on the ground. Like idk if my team can use so much drug.

[pallid sapphire]

they can

Your team just isn't using them

I'll watch a rack of 5 stims just not go touched with randoms

[supple torrent]

Yeah thats been my experience as well. Its really painful.

I think im gonna run cartel special supply crate

force them to interact

[pallid sapphire]

idk I've lowkey been hating running supply crate

I'd rather just have rampage for a chem build lol

[supple torrent]

I love crate spam for explosion and its nice team support

hate the bonesaw though

[brittle sierra]

Event meta is no stimm lab 😈

[pallid quail]

best thing about the poopsaw is u dont have to run it

like u can just throw it out n be free

[supple torrent]

The more I play stimm lab the more I wish scum could use regular stimms even if its at a lower effectiveness

[brittle sierra]

Don't use it

Simple as

[pallid quail]

yea u can also just not use the crowbar

u can literally just run shivs n desperado n be happy

[supple torrent]

I mean yah I can just not use it. But I can state that i dont like it

[pallid quail]

its that easy

[tender marten]

id love a second bonesaw mark that just has a more involved moveset

i love what it does in terms of utility but actually playing it is a snooze

[exotic temple]

I mean you can just take all points out of the stim lab

[supple torrent]

I want both. I like using the mechanic baked into the class. But I also enjoy interacting with regular stimms

I feel like making both exclusive to each other was unnecessary and limiting

I love what bonesaw does with toxin and brittle but yeah it feels awful to use.

[pallid quail]

a combination of sticky atks n 0 cleave ... what could go wrong

[exotic temple]

If you got stim crate back everytime you found a stim and had your cartel stim that would be pretty op

[supple torrent]

Would it? Right now with sample collector, chem dependency and cooldown stimms the cooldown is ridiculously low on its own. Stimms aren't that common in regular games either.

IMO a better option for balancing it would be giving regular stimms a weaker effect when used from the crate

And a weaker effect on scum players in general.

[wanton dock]

considering all the setup time you need , making the regular stimms weaker from the crate seems unecessary.
Its the signature ability for Hivescum, other get a bulletproof bubble or 80% damage reduction for 10s

[supple torrent]

This would be if scumm is allowed to use regular stimms and their cartel special.

Some kinda cost seems fair

[wanton dock]

having both cartel special and regular stims would not warrant any nerfs, as the hivescum is a bit underpowerd at the moment (imo)
the team needs to spend time and attention to come to your position.

[echo python]

I think scum should be allowed to pick up regular stimms, but they have to use them immediately

https://tenor.com/view/james-candy-family-guy-trap-gif-7655570

[unique spire]

Hive Ganger eating though all the stimm stocks and leaving nothing

You made the choice to have custom stimms, don't take what we have left

Though, the only exception I can think of why Hive Gangers would want to use normal stimms while with the custom stimms is to heal with the green ones

[supple torrent]

I'd be fine with immediate use stimms too

[wanton dock]

Y'know what would be asweomse, stacking stimms.
Whenever I see these crates with like 4 speed-stimms which noone takes, I really wish I could just take all 4 and become SPEEEEED

[supple torrent]

yeah green stimms is my main issue. But stuff like cooldown stimm works different compared to scums cartel cooldown stimm

At least I think so I should confirm it

Also alot of players in auric ignored stims

[unique spire]

It's the same players who end the mission with the same stimm they got from the start

They just don't know when to use it and forget about it

[wanton dock]

Its less that,
In my own experience when I'm playign Auric I don't have the time to "care" about stims.
surely buffs allways help, but when its just constant action having to break my "flow" to tap 2 buttons just is not appealing

[pallid quail]

i just dont take dmg

[wanton dock]

ofc the healing stim is allways a nice grab, (unless I'm hivescum and I can just point at it and shed a tear)

[supple torrent]

I always grab red and yellow stimms. The effects are too strong to ignore.

VT kinda ingrained drug abuse into me

[woeful trellis]

usually i just hold non-green stimms for when twins show up

cuz generally speaking that's the most danger the team will ever be in

[iron patrol]

im having a nosebleed

brunt why

why oh fucking why brunt

[bronze glade]

oof

and i see

that they still have yet to fix the stimm crate bug

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-rub-hands-patrick-star-evil-plan-gif-15072939

[exotic temple]

So if they ever fix the crate bug what keystone is gonna be worth running? Still chem dep or go adrenaline?

[wanton dock]

same way I got my 3 stamina buff.
altough I otherwise only got +16% toughness

[bronze glade]

i don't think it really changes the calculus on keystones

since the only difference is how fast you get 3 stacks on dep

and it's going to be fast either way

[iron patrol]

this is a false 3 stamina, it needs to be 410 in order to actually give you 3.

[wanton dock]

ahhhh

[iron patrol]

this gives you 2 pips.

[wanton dock]

wait a second

gotta check mine

[iron patrol]

aka, worst of both worlds, you see 3 stam and its still a 2 pip

[wanton dock]

bruh, thats so mean, especially when you think you got lucky

Ahhhh, Lucky me, my 3stamina is 430 power

[iron patrol]

god

40 minute auric game for the event

actual hell

i got all the crate and addiction related penances done in one mission

actually insane

[sturdy linden]

dogshit event

fuck whichever clown at FS thought this was a good idea

[wanton dock]

:"For some reason People don't take Stims"
:"I Know! Lets make an Event where they need to take Stims else they take massive corruption damage from all the noxious gas in the level!"

I mean the idea is not entirely bad,
but all the green gas is annoying

[hallow socket]

Desperado doesn't show highlighted enemies in the green gas either.

But yeah the event is bollocks.

[bronze glade]

lol gotta love tox gas just hard countering all enemy highlighting

unless you use mods

because fatshart cba'd to fix their fucking game

[hallow socket]

There's gonna be a clean straight edge Hive Scum buld just to take stims for this event.

[nova valley]

I am starting to believe that is EXACTLY how it went

[hallow socket]

"Sober Steve can't make his own drugs because he's a pox c###" Hive Scum Build Games Lantern.

[nova valley]

What I feel when I see pox gas

[hallow socket]

As Hive Scum I do, I wanna ask people to stab me with all the stimms laying around.

[tranquil fjord]

youd think the specific keystone called vulture's mark, a creature which is known to scavenge (from) the dead, would have the specific interaction with generating ammo

instead of a loose talent like pickpocket

[hallow socket]

It's a 'prick' tease.

[tranquil fjord]

which any build could path for

[hallow socket]

True

That would make it more interesting

[tranquil fjord]

also, make it ammo back on melee kills

its kinda op to have a gun scum constantly shooting

which, would create a loop with desperado where you have less restrictions with ranged weapons in a limited time frame

[manic wolf]

Few of us been suggesting that since class was released, also needs an ICD

[hallow socket]

It would make it more unique having something like that in a keystone so you had to choose between that and the chem keystone.

[pallid quail]

ew gross. internals cds are a blight upon gaming

[tranquil fjord]

it already is limited to an already low amount of ammo

[wanton dock]

shut your trap!!!
GunScum made me come back to the game.
Shooting without pause is pure bliss to me.

switching to meele just makes me sad

[manic wolf]

Which can be re-procced immediately, which is what results in infinite ammo

[bronze glade]

Unfortunately desperado hiv is broken as fuck

[hallow socket]

Shhh

[bronze glade]

And should be nerfed

Whether it will be is another question

[tranquil fjord]

so it can come back from melee kills so a gun scum cant shoot forever without desperado

[manic wolf]

20s CD on it, and only on melee kills, would make it "infinite" ammo, IE; being resource neutral, not actually infinite ammo

[pallid quail]

that would defeat the entire identity of the build

[manic wolf]

No... it would balance the build. At least provided VD also took a hit

[pallid quail]

balance is just code for making things suck n not fun or unique or interesting

just leveling and flattening everything down to the same grey nothingness

[tranquil fjord]

isnt being overpowred kinda unfun and uninteresting

like you just stomp on everything without thinking

and, in a team game, you begin to make it less fun for other players

[hallow socket]

Crushers overhead has entered the chat

[manic wolf]

You know whats not fun or interesting? One class being able to kill everything from range all the time, whilst being immune to 80% of the game whilst they do so. Which is exactly what its like being in a team with a Desp' Scum

[hallow socket]

When you got nowhere to dodge it run just a big wall of meat

[wanton dock]

weird way to write purge staff Psyker

[manic wolf]

Yeah.. Unfortunately we now have two classes doing that, however at least Psyker does it via DoT damage, as bogus as infinite cleave is, it still has some damage ramp-up. Scum just doesnt

[hallow socket]

I'm just saying Hivver has range buffs through the roof because it ain't gonna tank a crusher.

[manic wolf]

You shoot gun, something dies, no damage ramp, just death dealing

[hallow socket]

Like an Arby or Oggy anyways

[manic wolf]

One enemy holding a class back is not healthy.

[hallow socket]

What's that Havoc mode rotten armor with bulk crushers lol auto pistol flex test.

[tranquil fjord]

hive scum can easily tank a crush by using that innate op dodge

with all of those dodge enhancing skills

[hallow socket]

It is filthy good

[zealous ravine]

dont worry inferno staff will be nerfed this decade

[manic wolf]

(It wont)

[zealous ravine]

yeah it wont

hecking fatshark

[hallow socket]

😂

[zealous ravine]

30 more scriers buffs

[manic wolf]

Think people have been asking for that to be nerfed since year one at this point

[zealous ravine]

i dont think it was a problem pre havoc

[manic wolf]

Was about to say, Fatshark heard and buffed Scriers again

Nah, its always been a problem, infinite cleave is just a terrible idea

[zealous ravine]

thats true

but it gets worse when they increase enemy mass which havoc does a lot

[manic wolf]

It was less problematic before the crafting rework (Penetrating Flames I'm looking at you), but still an issue, just a less obvious one, and yeah, since Havoc it was only amplified further

[zealous ravine]

500 more sources of infinite cleave coming up

[manic wolf]

Flamer works in a similar way ofc, but at least thats held back by a resource

Peril is just kinda not a resource, no matter which way you cut it

[pallid quail]

i assume youd apply that to every specialist as well ?

[astral canyon]

and also needs to reload

[zealous ravine]

and doesnt have scriers gaze

[manic wolf]

Not really. Whilst its ass that a Trapper can net you through a 20-deep Crusher wall, if they couldn't, they wouldn't be threatening. Fatshark is incapable of making a disabler thats both functional and threatening, its one or the other, and threatening is overall better

[hallow socket]

That Scriers node that prevents you from exploding is so braindead I effing love that node.

[pallid quail]

ok so ur point is nonsensical then and has nothing to do with balance

[manic wolf]

Look at mutants. They were nerfed several times, they no longer grab you from 10 feet away and they don't chuck you off ledges anymore, and now they're not a threat

[pallid quail]

u just want to see things ruined

[zealous ravine]

warp unbound might need a duration nerf lol

or more scriers cd

or both i dont really care

[pallid quail]

id hardly say mutants arent a threat. theyre are however the specialist that feels the least cheaty

[manic wolf]

Enemy balance and class balance are two different topics. If you wanna make strawman arguments, go right ahead, but people will laugh at you for it

[zealous ravine]

muties got a low average threat but comically high peak threat

getting thrown into 30 crusher horde

or dh

[astral canyon]

had that happen recently to me

[exotic temple]

Until they grab you and hold you down for a poxburster or flamer

[manic wolf]

Yeah, they can still fuck you over, but they're seldom run enders compared to Trappers, they can just make an already messy situation worse

[near mauve]

mutants can still be a threat
if a reaper is around you're fucked

[zealous ravine]

its funny

i dont really like trappers having infinite cleave honestly

[near mauve]

mutants will also throw u into a big fire pool

[manic wolf]

Noone does, but if they didnt and needed direct LoS they'd just die before they were impactful

[near mauve]

if u want to keep trappers "Threatining" just make them cleave trash not 10 ft ogryns

[zealous ravine]

you can usually see the trapper firing you most of the time

[manic wolf]

Just make them not shoot through one atom wide gaps and through floors and fences honestly, that would make them infinitely more tolerable

[pallid quail]

make them have no cleave

[zealous ravine]

its just annoying when its through like 20 crushers/bulwarks

[hallow socket]

Not in this gas atm

[pallid quail]

just like ur solution to cLaSs BaLaNcE

[near mauve]

tbh trappers are not fun anyway

fck em

annoying ass enemy

[zealous ravine]

they're definitely having fun

[exotic temple]

Tbh hookrats were more balanced than trappers

[hallow socket]

Trappers have a hard on for me atm, no sound cues or view of them just blammo.

[manic wolf]

They're not, but then neither is being grabbed by a spawn and dying to bomber fire

[near mauve]

me when im having fun mowing down hordes and doing epic shit and i get trapped and die

[zealous ravine]

their turn to have fun

[hallow socket]

Lol

[near mauve]

i just love enimies shitting on u the moment u get trapped

[manic wolf]

"its not your turn" < When the heretics tried to invade in Elden Ring moment

[hallow socket]

I'm gonna have night terrors of groveling followed by "another one to the collection" but in comic book guys voice.

They sound so seedy

[manic wolf]

100% perverts

[hallow socket]

They even look like gimps

[manic wolf]

Lule

[pallid quail]

slaaneshi femcel infiltrator dragging my hot ogryn bod back to her grippy sock jail

[hallow socket]

💀

[exotic temple]

My biggest gripe is silent trappers. Like I get their design and I don’t like it but if I hear one spawn in and don’t dodge the net it’s on me

[hallow socket]

That's so funny

[astral canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396860171541807105/1232138126441582642/mfw_deadass.gif

[manic wolf]

Be escaping that with a different kind of VD

[exotic temple]

But when they don’t play any sounds until you are netted that’s bullshit

[tranquil fjord]

would spide-y sense be a bad accessibility option

[manic wolf]

All specialists do that in all fairness

[tranquil fjord]

i think, it would be good for deaf players or those hard of hearing

[manic wolf]

The audio engine struggles beyond Auric

[hallow socket]

They are Slanesh contractors for sure.

[pallid quail]

theyre either completely silent or i hear them constantly at full volume when they spawn in 2 rooms away

[manic wolf]

Silent Bursters have been a problem as long as I can remember tho, less frequently back int day, but when they first put Auric in it skyrocketed in frequency

[exotic temple]

I just started using it because of the constant specialist sound issues

[hallow socket]

I'm gonna get a trapper outfit and go out to swinger parties.

[exotic temple]

True but trappers are the worst. When you get trapped you are just dead in the water unless someone picks you up

Which for some reason pugs as of late just haven’t been doing

[hallow socket]

Raged yesterday over that baloney. It's been awhile I think cloud gaming was the last time this game triggered me lol.

No warning nothing just get karkin candy cane on stage yank by the neck into a raging fire to go down instantly. Or get helped out of a net followed by another net.

[manic wolf]

Net into mutant into net true combo has happened before.. it wasnt "fun" but it was funny

[hallow socket]

Slanesh is having a field day

[pallid quail]

i get the mutant into net followed by burster flamer wombo combo

[ember spear]

By god trappers are the thing that brings me from carrying a lobby soloing bosses to instantly dead because lobotomites cant press E...

[pallid quail]

https://tenor.com/view/stroke-cool-iloveamy-amy-scribdot-gif-3933935033514945800

[exotic temple]

Especially when I’m playing taunt Ogryn and I’m tanking the entire horde for you the least you could do is get me out of the net

[hallow socket]

Being thrown into a demonhost is always a fun gag.

[manic wolf]

Yeah, that ones amusing, but at least they don't lob you into the void anymore

[hallow socket]

That sounds savage

[pallid quail]

eh it still happens but its rare

chaos freaks tend to do it more

[hallow socket]

True

[manic wolf]

Not had it happen in years, they used to chuck you off ledges so that you instantly died, not grab the ledge, just full dead

[exotic temple]

I also think it’s really dumb that enemies don’t knock dogs off you anymore

[pallid quail]

either that or thru a wall into the zone of mystery

[exotic temple]

Except spawn or mutants

[hallow socket]

Flames I think still knock dogs off

[exotic temple]

Oh yeah flamers

[ember spear]

I str8 up be holding M1 like a absolute skilled gamer with my duel full auto glocks and then boom I look like that one Alien from AVP

[manic wolf]

Lmao, I got stuck int center spawn point at the end of one of the hourglass missions once, was amusing

[pallid quail]

happened to me once in smelter or consignment yard in a havoc n if i wasnt on ogryn im pretty sure i couldve skipped a room or two

[hallow socket]

Never so happy to see a flamer when a dog is biting my face off.

[manic wolf]

On Scum that just means you die

[hallow socket]

Lol

Gg

[ember spear]

So what builds yall do?

[manic wolf]

I miss dogs killing themselves because their wall jump was broken ngl

[hallow socket]

The weird build everyone hates

[ember spear]

Tox? Glock? Bonk? Illicit substances?

[exotic temple]

All the above

[hallow socket]

Aye

[manic wolf]

Only TacAxe and murder

[ember spear]

If I was not bad at melee I would do a melee build

[hallow socket]

I gotta cooked build thst defies logic

[exotic temple]

I liked chemist until everyone started using it so I’ve playing with some meme builds

[hallow socket]

But chem Hive Scum is another good one.

[ember spear]

Myself I went for hold M1 with autopistols, Crit, dont take damage, & do ungodly amounts of damage totally balanced build.

[manic wolf]

You should get good at melee, thats where the skill ceiling is

[ember spear]

so long as RNJesus Blesses my glocks I will dodge every attack exept netguns somehow.

[exotic temple]

I leveled with desp build so I’m kind of bored with it

[ember spear]

The hard part about melee is when my glocks run out of ammo trying to kill the elite enemy before the psyker steals that shiz so I can reload.

Also when those accursed guys sneak up behind me

[exotic temple]

Iag desp build is kinda fun

[ember spear]

And 3 dodges aint enough movement to get out of the huddle pile.

[pallid quail]

rly ? i went into melee as quickly as possible. hitting stuff to hit stuff harder tickles my ogryn brain

[exotic temple]

Yeah rampage is probably the most fun out of the builds

[ember spear]

I saw the crowbar, almost made a freeman build. Then found out I am bad at the game.

When trying to level it up

[hallow socket]

My cooked experiment that turned into the first 'main' I use. https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0e46c07-a207-4bc8-9cc0-7f64782134f1/puke-nukem-melee-hybrid-desperado-explosive-bolt-pistol

Haters are gonna hate.

[pallid quail]

crowbar sucks ass anyways

[ember spear]

I cant not use the glocks. its satisfying mag dumping into anything and never letting go of M1 till the hordes end.

[wanton dock]

yeeeeeees

[ember spear]

The only thing I hate are the accursed 0.2 second reloads ruining my fun.

[hallow socket]

I like the Pistols as a side arm for melee builds running the toxic cleaver thing.

[exotic temple]

Crowbar is hard to use you are better off using tac or combat axe for rampage or shivs

[wanton dock]

I'm also addicted to the spinny pistols

they also reliably kill snipers

[ember spear]

I do run toxic saw as my melee because its kinda goated.

[hallow socket]

The pistols feel and look super badass. But for Desperado it doesn't work for me personally.

[pallid quail]

hard to use cus it sucks

[ember spear]

Duel glocks can also reliably kill snipers give or take 58 rounds.

[hallow socket]

Crowbar is frustrating.

[pallid quail]

i will never not take an opportunity to shit on it for being a swing n a miss

[hallow socket]

I did the penance just for points that was it never again.

[ember spear]

This is so sad, but Freeman build 🙁

[hallow socket]

I know right

Haven't even used it but I feel your pain

I know of it

I need go to rehab for this game.

Worse than nicotine

[exotic temple]

I chalked it up to personal skill issues, but is it a bad weapon. The damage seems to be there but is move set and sticky heavies that I have an issue with

[hallow socket]

The weapon swap ...

[ember spear]

when I used it, it seemed like the lights struggled to kill even chaff 🙁

[hallow socket]

I mean the special

[ember spear]

Unlike the chad bonesaw

[exotic temple]

I would use the heavies and it wasn’t terrible, but it wasn’t great

[hallow socket]

I seen something in the patch update about it fixing the brittleness effect on it. Gonna use test it now for funnzies

The bone saw

Always like that thing

[ember spear]

What does that purple goop special even do smh

[exotic temple]

Rampage bonesaw is one of favorites

[hallow socket]

Brittleness

[exotic temple]

It’s a brittleness that’s stacks with brittleness

[astral canyon]

brittleness and better ADMs against flak/carapace

[hallow socket]

Slap a bit on heavies then swap back to yellow

[exotic temple]

So you can stack 77% armor reduction for the whole team

[hallow socket]

I like how it's just a rag with bare hands.

[mighty belfry]

I have sinned.

I did in fact.

Put pickpocket

On a melee build

[limber cradle]

Oh perish the thought

[mighty belfry]

😭

[hallow socket]

That's not strange at all

Needle gun go brr

[ember spear]

Infinite ammo never hurt noone

Well

[mighty belfry]

It's not needler I put it on

That shit is lame.

[limber cradle]

.45s?

[hallow socket]

All my builds besides my stupid main meme build has pickpocket. All the melee builds in fact.

[exotic temple]

https://tenor.com/view/terrifier-art-the-clown-terrifier-2-art-the-clown-smile-gif-3501519322465396935

[mighty belfry]

Explodey bistol

[limber cradle]

I see i see

[hallow socket]

Yeah boi

Give a jelly fish a hard on

[mighty belfry]

It's basically like having infinite, if slightly less staggery blackouts

[hallow socket]

Facts

[mighty belfry]

It actually feels really good on a melee build

[hallow socket]

Preach

[limber cradle]

Ive heard

I'm partial to BP

Mainly cause I like the reload anims

Very stylish

[mighty belfry]

It also feels way cooler ya

[limber cradle]

Than needler? Defo

[exotic temple]

With evidently the most potent toxin on this side of the galaxy

[hallow socket]

I hate the delay for kills on needler I shoot then run off killing other things.

[limber cradle]

I hate the lack of feeling on it

[hallow socket]

That's hot yo 💀

Stim abuse make you not care after awhile.

[exotic temple]

Think about it this killing ogryns sand melting demons and shit

[hallow socket]

Would of been funny if they gave all hive scum an Aussie accent for tertium natives.

[exotic temple]

Dude wiping it on and off with a rag in his back pocket

[hallow socket]

Haha gets me everytime

Dirty hanky bone saw buff

[wanton dock]

its not a deathworld though

[exotic temple]

The other thing is how does the toxin embrittle carapace armor but not the blade??

[hallow socket]

You watch the fear in their eyes when I wipe my rotten handkerchief on my fists in a bar/street fight.

[limber cradle]

Blade was folded 10000 times in underhive forges

[exotic temple]

Like I get you could use different metals that aren’t reactive but did they really think that through

[exotic temple]

Can cut through lasgun barrels as easy as nosh

[exotic temple]

lol give yourself a stack of toxin every time you punch somebody

[pallid sapphire]

Still weird af to me

That we use toxins vs nurgle

That synthetic space fent must hit different

[hallow socket]

Yeah it's warped

[astral canyon]

nurgle is diseases and plagues

[exotic temple]

Yeah it seems strange but most medicines are toxins that kill the pathogen faster than it kills you so

[pallid sapphire]

This shit is straight yellow, its warped, geeking so hard I'm seeing Saint messilinah

I mean its probably just a molecular toxin that burns your flesh off but still

[exotic temple]

Also they threw the whole poison and nurgle thing out when they had plague marines die to hive fleet gorgon and their potent toxins or whatever

[ember spear]

Nurgle Vs Average Fent Leaner.

[wanton dock]

ah damn, I switched my poison with my stims,
gotta get a grip

would be a far more fun event if the stims gave you funny visions instead of gas resistance

[hallow socket]

Based

I'm gonna make a joke meme build for this Cartel Special event. Sober Steve Hive Scum no chems just raw melee and throw pick pocket in for good measure. Probably the needler because we ain't landing head shots through the green fart gas.

Hive Scum that takes only what it finds because he/she is on probation so they can't risk cooking stims.

Yes Steve can be female too 😜

[exotic temple]

I was gonna be like did we really need to they/them Steve

[hallow socket]

Need a skin now with an ankle strap

Probably gonna be "pox" but I'm gonna do it anyways.

My mate called his foxy terrier Steve.

[mighty belfry]

I think it's completely unnecessary on needler for melee

And honestly is the cheesiest thing to use pickpocket with so i don't like it just on a fundamental level tbh

[manic wolf]

I don't like pickpocket because it breaks the fuckin game lol

[woeful hill]

people use pickpocket for infinite ammo, I use pickpocket to find pennies to collect

you never know whats in a heretic's pocket

[mighty belfry]

The greenest penny of All Time

But yeah pickpocket in general is cheesy

But hey it's fun with some weapons so I'll forgive that

[manic wolf]

I bet warp money looks hella funky

[mighty belfry]

It just happens to work, particularly well with bistol on rampage builds

[bronze glade]

have you found any pennies?

[woeful hill]

no 😔

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/832665930244816918/1424801132667994315/togif.gif

[manic wolf]

Ngl, all I use Bpistol for on Rampage builds is for a stagger-stick

Budget Blackouts if you will

[mighty belfry]

Ye. Exactly why it works

Tried it in an h40 and there's no denying that having the ability to grant space for you and your team consistently is a pretty big utility to have

[manic wolf]

Idk, seems surplus to requirements to take Pickpocket for that, it already has 80 rounds an generally don't use that up for a while

But yeah, it is very strong utility

[mighty belfry]

Not for me since, hypercrit and all. At least on the Build I was using it with

It's just one node away and what I gave up for it isn't the end of the world so

🤷‍♀️

[manic wolf]

If it works

[mighty belfry]

It's also very funny with rockets

[manic wolf]

🙏

Have to take the RPG if you're taking BPistol

[unreal stirrup]

pickpocket main when it inevitably get nerfed next update

[unreal stirrup]

pickpocket also help your team ammo economy a lot

anyway i need a bbg to deed exploit

[hallow socket]

🧀

[bronze glade]

would be the right decision, so it's unlikely to happen

[manic wolf]

Ofc, but BPistol is not exactly ammo hungry when used as a stagger stick and tbh, I'm not gunna run something gamebreaking anyway

[mighty belfry]

It isn't. But its nice to let you shut down gunners with impunity

[hallow socket]

Couldn't help myself 😅 and you could run the explosive bistol instead.. https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0f910d6-3d9f-4db5-acda-33f12808ebe1/sober-steve-cartel-special-event

I'll test it then move some things around probably. Just for poos and giggles.

[exotic temple]

Don’t they use like eldar soul stones or something

[maiden pine]

how to show stimm countdown

it's fkn hard to tell for me what it's cool down is

[unreal stirrup]

Mod

yeah it fucking stupid that you need mod for basic fucking information

[maiden pine]

ya

https://youtu.be/1EEI6M_GN9A?si=WzK7flont2UOg1_n

in this there is a blackout bomber with bolt pistol and crowbar with rampage. is there a full build for this

[hallow socket]

Lol did a perfect Auric run with Sober Steve. Felt like a bit of a dick picking up heaps of stimms.

It's so dumb but it was allot of fun.

[unreal stirrup]

black out without pocket tozin

💀

no sample collector

4s adrenaline duration

💀

forge bellow

wtf is this build

other than that it not that bad

[bronze glade]

i won't stand for any slander against forge bellow

[unreal stirrup]

fatshark on their way to create the 338394849394944th shout ult

[sturdy linden]

[sturdy linden]

that's just straight up trolling

[unreal stirrup]

I know the fucking build is named sober steve but this is why you shouldn't get build from gameslantern

[sturdy linden]

went and looked at it

I don't think Channelled Aggression is worth it at all, nor Battering Momentum, but other than that is fine ig. He just doesn't want to use stimms at all it seems, in which case Adrenaline is fine if you've got good density. I'd still make the effort to take sample collector but that's not the end of the world

[maiden pine]

where did you get the build

[sturdy linden]

taking a reload speed perk on Needle Pistol bothers me more

[winged bay]

Been gone for a few weeks, is this an upcoming Adrenline frenzy change? " "48737d17": "Gain up to {crit_chance:%s} Critical Hit Chance and {movement_speed:%s} Movement Speed depending on your current stacks of {adrenaline:%s}.\n\nThe full effect is then carried for the duration of {adrenaline_frenzy:%s}.","

I see a few other things as well

[unreal stirrup]

saw have shock and awe but like toxin cuck it from proccing

[sturdy linden]

that's ok, opening heavy of Saw does enough direct damage for many enemies

[winged bay]

Maybe new Cheap Shots

?

[sturdy linden]

[winged bay]

" "8757c0f2": "Blitz explosions infect Enemies with stacks of {toxin:%s}, depending on your chosen Blitz.\n\n{blinder:%s}: {blinder_stacks:%s} stacks.\n{missile_launcher:%s}: {missile_launcher_stacks:%s} stacks.\n{chem_grenade:%s}: {chem_grenade_stacks:%s} stacks.","

[sturdy linden]

is this a modification of pocket toxin

[winged bay]

Surely

[unreal stirrup]

close enough, welcome back perilous combustion

[sturdy linden]

hmm I have a really dumb build idea specifically for this garbonzo event, time to test it out

[winged bay]

I guess new Toxin Mania? A bit different since it should affect other player damage too

and because it's probably properly multiplicative with other things

[mighty belfry]

oh this sounds spicy

[winged bay]

Weird

I wonder if the elite explosion thing is reworked Sawblade thing though

[hallow socket]

Was meant to be a joke but it was peak lol

Yeah it's a troll build 💯

I even made him look like a goober which I will share on driptide.

[winged bay]

Missed this

I think Channeled Aggression is also changed to give rending as long as rampage is active rather than when there's enough duration

[mighty belfry]

This is honestly sounding like a rework

Which, I'm not actually that surprised if they are reworking it this quickly

The tree setup is still kinda jank in a lot of places.

[hallow socket]

Dooo iittt!!!

[sturdy linden]

I went down but it's going decent ig

oh well that's a loss

these event missions have utterly insane spawns

[maiden pine]

what do you think about this buiod

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a07b26d7-82cc-4c3e-ac88-6c812f9a0205/rampage-chemd-crowbar-needle

[hallow socket]

I would swap hyper violence for cheap shot.

Extra extra stagger damage

[limber cradle]

Personally i would never do that

[hallow socket]

Rampage be good with hyper violence?

[limber cradle]

Hyper violence is, without exaggeration, one of the best talents in scums tree

[hallow socket]

Coolbeans

[limber cradle]

Personally I would not run cbar tho

[hallow socket]

Would you not combine it with hyper critical?

[limber cradle]

That thing mediocre

[limber cradle]

Ime they're very good together

[hallow socket]

I thought so too

[limber cradle]

Id drop battering for float, id swap rampage rending to forges bellows, and I'd swap cbar to a tac axe or shivs but this is because I'm an uninspired person, but that's my honest take.

[hallow socket]

It would make it do weird things though

The combination of the hyper I've noticed

Sometimes things drop unexpected then other times it's like having all swing and no ding idk. It seemed really random if things died or not.

That's just my experience recently idk it's still cool.

[pallid quail]

its an absolute fff tier weapon

[low harbor]

can u send link to this

[winged bay]

What kind of link

like the whole file?

[compact oyster]

So hive scum getting some reworks for melee?

[maiden pine]

actually axe might be great. crowbar feels cool

[compact oyster]

Also @winged bay did you see any other things that might be for the next update

Maybe weapon code

[flat mist]

crit and movement instead of current adrenaline frenzy would go hard

[dreamy rover]

Gonna be honest, I hate the vet smoke grenades. Had a troll vet who would just toss them in the direction I'm aiming the rocket launcher at.

AI director karma got him in the end though when he threw one in front of me, but got surrounded by the crusher gang since he was standing next to a spawn point.

[echo python]

That smells like a hypercritical rework, maybe?

[azure bronze]

How does it work with the stimm supply, if my cartel special is on cooldown and I deploy stimm supply - does it not add the cartel special effects to it?

[echo python]

It doesn't. Well actually it does if you move out of and into the stimm field again, which smells like a bug.

[azure bronze]

huh

[zenith fern]

huh is this from scum files?

[winged bay]

I can't specifically attach it to any class/talent unless the text gives it away

[compact oyster]

maybe just maybe for the upcoming class?

[winged bay]

Not likely since most of the changes are clearly for scum

[compact oyster]

i sea

maybe to encourage people to go middle path melee

anyways any other things you found for an upcoming update

[winged bay]

No

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-eating-and-crying-cat-crying-and-eating-cat-cry-eat-gif-10879304557396446185

[winged bay]

Not sure if I posted this

[compact oyster]

https://klipy.com/gifs/cat-what-70

seems like a rampage subnode if i had to guess

or in that middle tree

[zenith fern]

actually i think that is the middle keystone

wait

[compact oyster]

maybe its bellow?

[compact oyster]

i know that knocks down enemies on rampage activation and end

[compact oyster]

doesnt mention melee damage tho

[zenith fern]

Oh wait it is melee

Maybe it was a previous version of it

[winged bay]

There are 3 new adrenaline frenzy subnodes, based on there being snippets for Adrenaline Frenzy Sub-node 6,7 and 8

but they are going to axe some old ones

[compact oyster]

https://klipy.com/gifs/bee-movie-layton-t-montgomery

[compact oyster]

also no updates to weapon code i imagine

[tranquil fjord]

i hope the 4 second timer for stacks and the 20 seconds duration on frenzy simply become base parts of the keystone

instead of tax points

also, 5 toughness for each second on frenzy

[unreal stirrup]

5% toughness per second on frenzy is like nothing

[dire badge]

LETS GO GAMBLING

[compact oyster]

Its like ewew

[unreal stirrup]

yeah i don't run it on marty either

[dire badge]

like the wind increases sprint dodge angle by 15. whats that?

and would ylal think its worth giving up the backstab tlaent for adreneline assassin or adrenleine smiter?

[astral canyon]

Adrenaline smiter is good

[dire badge]

hmm gotcha gotcha

and slippery customer, yall getm uch use out of it?

[limber cradle]

It feels cool till you use something like shivs that just murder things instead of smacking them around ime

[compact oyster]

https://youtu.be/1VrSRNYMFSI?si=2qalTHHdPI8K6Xm-

Infinite ammo is very balanced

[near mauve]

we killing floor in dis hoe

[bronze glade]

fatshart: what if we made psyker... BUT DLC!!?

[zenith fern]

paid to win

[random shuttle]

6700 kilo of a cat!?

Hefty lad.

[grand jewel]

CHONK

Is that the next class?

[low harbor]

is it not on github?

[grand jewel]

Has there been any important update since Hive scum came out?

[woeful hill]

no

[grand jewel]

fantastic

[zenith fern]

soon

[astral canyon]

Damn i only have 2 penances left for scum that arent the "complete x amount of missions as scum" or "complete these other scum penances" ones

300 vulture stacks and...

The toughness stimm one

Fuck

[grand jewel]

do we know what

[zenith fern]

nothing

[woeful hill]

space marine class

[zenith fern]

You spoiled the next class ainz

[woeful hill]

gg

[zenith fern]

I am gonna talk to FS to remove you from playtest program

[astral canyon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0fa5fe5-394a-4fc8-9fb2-172fabc1a95f/fuck-this-penance

[astral canyon]

This look good enough for the fuckass penance?

[zenith fern]

Mayhaps

I heard that if you wanna try speedrun is go play on region with the lowest players

and play low diff and keep getting yourself hit

[astral canyon]

Ig

[spice cloud]

Yeah that shit just takes forever.

Some missions i didnt even made 1% progress

I wonder why they not just turn tghnss regen into instant tghnss.

Not golden or anything

[astral canyon]

Or even an additional toughness per second while active

[spice cloud]

Yeah

[astral canyon]

Like the adrenaline subnode

[spice cloud]

Regen literall dis nothing in some missions

Like didnt proc a single time

Might aswell just leave em for the faster stimm cd

[grand jewel]

so a normal update

[astral canyon]

Done and done

Now its just completing 50/75/100 missions as scum

[iron pier]

awww i cant post pics anyways im about to get an aneurysm, double 410 stamina curios with still 0 hp and toughness ones

[bronze glade]

chat more and you can post

[iron pier]

hmmm ive been in this discord for over a year lol

[bronze glade]

it's based on message count

so that's prob why

[iron pier]

i assume so, but its not like ive been lurking that hard

oh well

[astral canyon]

Dump stat for shredder on scum?

[woeful hill]

collat/mobility

[astral canyon]

Thx

[ripe harness]

what does strength do?

[woeful hill]

Damage/Stagger/Cleave

[ripe harness]

pog

ty

[winged bay]

No

[low harbor]

where did u find this then

[nova valley]

Why dump collateral? Isn't the shredder strong because of its ability to stagger like hell?

[woeful hill]

it doesnt change how many bullets it takes to stagger

[nova valley]

Alright... But then, what does it do?

[woeful hill]

collateral?

nothing else but stagger

60-80 doesnt add enough stagger to change anything

[bronze glade]

really now 🤔

[nova valley]

Ah... Well that's odd

[verbal dew]

there's a mod that shows you what the 60 or 80 values mean in terms of stats

darktide is very opaque when it comes to all its terms/stats/etc

[nova valley]

Yeah, you can say that twice...

[astral canyon]

darktide is very opaque when it comes to all its terms/stats/etc

[nova valley]

I knew it

But it's the same in all weapons? Like surely on a Vraks Collateral changes something from 60 to 80 right? Or is it even more dumpable than mobility?

[dim moth]

vraks doesn't have collateral

collateral imo is the worst weapon stat in the entire game

every single weapon that has it either has fuck all stagger, or so much stagger that it doesn't matter

so either way it's worthless

actually scum dual pistols might need it for stagger

[nova valley]

The braced autogun!

It does have it!

[dim moth]

oh yeah brauto does

usually when people say "Vraks" they mean the good one

(infantry autogun)

and yeah collateral is worthless on brauto too UNLESS you want to use the Agripinaa

[nova valley]

Jokes aside, you are telling me that it does fuck all, and all that stagger is base?

[dim moth]

because it replaces Collateral with Stopping Power

yeah p much

collateral is really bad

[nova valley]

Mtfkr... Did not know that, my bad

[hallow socket]

Swapped untouchable for slippery customer. Feel like it will actually help more in combat.

Or I just go screw mobility nodes and get another one that boosts combat

We going combat.. eff it

[winged bay]

It's in the game localization files like most things I post

[low harbor]

Can u send the file path thx

[dire badge]

it would be cool if they added a new boss where crouching a certian attacks dodges a hit. Or better yet a new elite that does that. It'll be morei nteractive combat

[manic wolf]

You can duck Snipers on occasion, wouldnt trust it all the time tho

[upbeat gyro]

Few elites have breakpoints at 80% so dumping it and you wont get stagger blessing bonuses on em

Plasma gunner and that yellow gunner if i recall right

[low harbor]

lol no

[sturdy linden]

Bit unfortunate that no ranged weapons or talents truly incentivize building for stagger. Like technically Pinning Fire does but the weapons it's on again either have bonkers stagger or barely any

[manic wolf]

I'm a little bit miffed that AoE BPistol doesnt have Pinning tbh as its a perfect fit

[sturdy linden]

ranged stagger should be a real thing for Ogryn

maybe that's a way to fix our ranged issues

[manic wolf]

To be fair it would make sense, big bullets, big impact and what not

Question is, would extreme ranged CC make ranged Ogryn better or worse int eyes of the players

[pallid quail]

most of the stuff i can kill at range i would prefer not to stagger tbh

[sturdy linden]

point is to make ranged stagger give actual damage bonuses and potentially solve the ammo issue Ogryn weapons have

[sturdy linden]

does it matter? People either love him or hate him already.

also we technically already have "extreme ranged CC", it's called Rumbler

I should play demogryn again

if I'm gonna be miserable in an event mission, I may as well spread it around

[low harbor]

stagger just makes guns kill things slower usually

[sturdy linden]

yeah I mean, imagine if Ogryn had talents that worked with ranged stagger

it would thematically make sense

and mechanically they could use it to offset the ammo load

[jaunty spire]

Yo path is this gonna be a hivescum guide ?

[low harbor]

after I finish arb sections, next is hvs

[jaunty spire]

Yeee

[low harbor]

cuz hvs talents prob will get big changes

not gonna rush them

[sturdy linden]

you sound awfully certain

[low harbor]

I was considering a weapon section overhaul

[sturdy linden]

[low harbor]

no

I'm assuming they'll be changed because some stuff are just wack

[sturdy linden]

I mean, Perilous Combustion still exists

[low harbor]

I don't mean op I mean some parts the build logic just doesn't flow well

almost entire bottom right section is pretty abysmal (outside of +1 blitz and sample collector)

[sturdy linden]

ah that way, yeah

bottom right wildly oscillates between amazing and piss

[low harbor]

well

it has 2 good talents

and everything else is below avg ~ ass

[sturdy linden]

Chem Dep is a great keystone

[low harbor]

chem dependency also needs a rework

[astral canyon]

chem dep should also give stimm cdr

thats about it i think

[manic wolf]

True, though thats a bit too far

[manic wolf]

Kill it and give Brainburst Wrack'n'Ruin back

[astral canyon]

wack n run

[low harbor]

I was considering doing a weapon section overhaul with way more details

[astral canyon]

is this current version

[low harbor]

no

[nova valley]

That would break it entirely I think. It is a good cycle of killing, giving you stim, giving you ability, letting you kill easier. If doing stimm gives you stimms faster... Well it would become a brainless node I think

[astral canyon]

you already have sample collector with it

[nova valley]

Yes exactly

A cycle, that is what I mean.

[low harbor]

yes that's kind of the point?

the CD rate u get from chem dependency doesn't matter much

u take it for crit & TDR

[nova valley]

Exactly my point. So, why add stimm cd to stimm dependency?

*chem

[low harbor]

because it's centered around using stims?

[astral canyon]

ye

[nova valley]

Yeah but, to be funny and not broken, don't you think it is best for different nodes to combo together rather than a single one doing everything on its own?

[astral canyon]

honestly even if it did give stimm cdr i doubt itd outpace sample collector so it would be more thematic if anything

[low harbor]

why would it be broken

[mighty belfry]

at most, it makes stimm crate more reliable to put down

and most likely, they wouldn't make the cooldown reduction crazy

[astral canyon]

i imagine itd be 10% per stack just like the ability cdr

[nova valley]

Cause the more you use a stimm, the more you would be able to use it. Without drawbacks or the need to do something else, it would be just "push to push even more"

[astral canyon]

and why is that a problem

[mighty belfry]

yeah. why would that be an issue

[nova valley]

Maybe

[astral canyon]

i legit dont see the issue

adrenaline is also just like this

you attack -> you gain stacks -> you trigger adrenaline and gain more damage and attack speed -> you gain stacks faster -> perma uptime on adrenaline pretty much

[nova valley]

Well, for a node which is self fulfilling it would not need for a build or a setup to be playable, making it more boring, no?

[nova valley]

Exactly

Why do you want another adrenaline, you already have thar

[mighty belfry]

It would make it more cohesive for the ability it's meant for.

I don't see how this would make it boring.

[astral canyon]

it would also give it a pretty set identity for something to help reduce the downtime of your two "abilities" (the actual ability and your stimm)

[mighty belfry]

They're both on the same side of each other and yet still have this awkward lack of synergy.

Chem Dep has more value on both the other abilities than on Stimm Crate

Which is really weird.

[nova valley]

Cause it would be just another ability like, as Buff Ilas mentioned, adrenaline. HS would become: left part shoot to shoot more, center melee to melee more and right abuse drugs to abuse drugs more

[astral canyon]

i mean there is some synergy because crate enables you to spam stimms a lot more compared to the other two abilities

and?

inherently why is that a bad thing

again youre already taking sample collector anyways which will do most of the heavy lifting for reducing your stimm downtime

[dim moth]

yeah we can also fix the ammo issues ogryn has by removing back off and replacing with something else ammo related

that benefits firing rapidly

[nova valley]

Well, isn't that just boring? Everybody hates smiter just spamming the same ability over and over, same for endless desperado build. Wouldn't a change like this push for another spam build?

[astral canyon]

the reason people hate those is that they dont let the other players play the game

[mighty belfry]

Because both of those other abilities adversely change the way the game plays for everyone.

[astral canyon]

spamming stimms doesnt inherently make other players not play the game

[mighty belfry]

Stimms being somewhat faster to get back wouldn't result in something as abusable as those two.

And especially for Stimm Crate, it helps the team too.

[nova valley]

I don't know. I already feel that with chem dependency you don't choose when to use your stimm tactically, but just jab it as soon as it is ready. I fell like lowering the cd even more would make it just a timer to press on even shorter intervals

[astral canyon]

my brother in throne

thats the whole point of chem dep

[low harbor]

Um
Isn’t that what ur supposed to be doing

[nova valley]

That is the ability cd. Chem dep let's you recharge that faster already. Recharging the stimm too wouldn't it make it too much stronger?

[astral canyon]

thats what youre supposed to be doing with chem dep already

[sturdy linden]

sure, there's a lot of ways. I just would like to see ranged stagger meaningfully integrated into Ogryn gameplay, because it makes sense to me

[astral canyon]

no because crate without stimm does barely anything

and again

[mighty belfry]

It quite literally does not work that way.

That's why it's weird that it's Ability CDR

[astral canyon]

youre already going to take sample collector anyways

[nova valley]

That is for sure

[nova valley]

Wdym?

[astral canyon]

if anything adding stimm cdr would be a more thematic thing than a game changer

[mighty belfry]

Any good stimm crate build would never rely on ability cdr.

Ever.

[dim moth]

orugh infinite strength stim tox scum

[mighty belfry]

Because Sample Collector makes it that the ability cooldown rarely ever matters.

[nova valley]

Sure, I know that but, you could make that change instead

[vivid nest]

most times i play med crate it is to just make blight spreads not exist. 15 seks cd on crate and 15 seks immunity to corruption - just feels good.

[dim moth]

crate buffs are 20 seconds

[vivid nest]

even better.

[queen merlin]

What curios are yall running for shiv crit build?

[dim moth]

crate itself lasts 5 seconds, buff is 15

[dim moth]

triple stamina obviously

what else do you use

[astral canyon]

that assumes youre standing in the small circle for the full 5 seconds

[queen merlin]

i have 2 toughness ones atm from leveling

[vivid nest]

yeah i mean the buff after you leave the area because the team is just not staying around in the crate.

[astral canyon]

speaking of crate fatshark still needs to make fast acting stimms part of the base ability

[dim moth]

or just like

touch it

before it ends

[astral canyon]

that would be less than 20s

[dim moth]

okay fucking fine

15 seconds (up to 20)

[nova valley]

Now that is something I can totally back up. The regular is almost completely useless. That is a must change

[dim moth]

corruption immunity is a pretty damn good effect

In Havoc

Kinda shit elsewheres

[vivid nest]

in my mind it is 15 seks for the team because nobody is really chilling in the crate. and 15 seks cd covers that.

[sturdy linden]

event

[dim moth]

Actually also pretty good for hunting grounds

[vivid nest]

killing daemonhosts? 😉

[dim moth]

Oh is the "do not play darktide this is a threat" event over?

[sturdy linden]

unfortunately no

[low harbor]

No it’s good event

Pretty fun

[dim moth]

You are not gaslighting me into playing pox gas forever event

[sturdy linden]

[low harbor]

U can do penance for pox gas at the same time as the event

[sturdy linden]

https://tenor.com/view/wwe-fan-fans-boo-this-gif-9217321

[low harbor]

This event is like what if havoc was good

[dim moth]

I already have all penance rewards, and I do not want to play the least fun modifier in the game but with fancy event tag on it

[nova valley]

"Hey kids, wanna play with a green blindfold on?"

[sturdy linden]

this event is like some dunderhead at Fatshark going "hey what if I make the casual quickplay mode as tedious and fucking annoying as the masochist mode that most sane people don't want to play on the regular"

[nova valley]

That is exactly how it went down in fatshark offices

[vivid nest]

btw - on med crate build, which perks are you running on the curious because ability cdr does not really come into play?

[low harbor]

I mean
u can just drop it down to heresy and speedrun if u rly hate it

[wooden musk]

So does anyone know if you use the execution talent on a bolt pistol for more damage to staggered enemies, and then you shoot something causing it to stagger, does that extra damage apply to the shot that caused the stagger?

[sturdy linden]

I am 3 missions away from finishing it then I will stop using qp at all while the event is active

[reef spoke]

honestly if I could just use med stims the event wouldn't be so bad on hive scum lol

[reef spoke]

I run toughness + gunner resist + stam regen (mostly because why not)

[sturdy linden]

can anyone explain to me the moveset for mk7 hsword

oh wait nvm

Path's guide

[manic wolf]

It would make it a much more compelling choice if there was some stim cooldown element involved too tbh

[bronze glade]

lmao desperado players really are just playing a different game from the rest of us

[drifting heron]

Vet's already had the second rework

Ask for the third

[pulsar aspen]

@bronze glade The same goes for Psyker, does it not?

[low harbor]

https://klipy.com/gifs/devious-evil-cat

[low harbor]

No but srsly it basically is havoc without the stuff that downgrades the experience

• no need for party finder
• no unnecessary rank system
• no wack mutators

It’s just pox gas

But the stim buff u get gives massive gas resist

[spice cloud]

If it wasnt for the gas floors it would be fun.

That shit is just so annoying to me

[spark gyro]

I am a bit annoyed about stumbling in the gas trying to find the spot that doesn't have gas

Can't really see how big the area is from inside it, and sometimes the effects are kind of awkward and areas that look like they're gas actually aren't

[hallow socket]

Just found something in the Psykanium, A Tertium welcome on a crit build made no difference with it on or off.

[main trellis]

Ummm… this event is nothing burger? Unless you dunno shit about pox gas layout & don’t just consume stimms to get 100% resist

Of all things; this event is perfect for learning save spots on maps with pox gas

So next time you face it in havoc for example you don’t eat dung

[hallow socket]

Nevermind it slightly does something

[spice cloud]

Problem is these randos have no pacing and allways rush ahead or dont follow at all.

[spark gyro]

Once you stack the stimms, you can pretty much sit on the gas and do your normal toughness regen stuff

[flat mist]

no

[pulsar aspen]

@spark gyro "sit" in gas is a really bad idea. Your vision is heavily reduced and you have a constant toughness drain, so you'll get chipped

[spark gyro]

I do it anyway

[echo python]

But you do get a bunch of other buffs to compensate

[spark gyro]

It's not like the toughness drain is big when at 100%

[pulsar aspen]

It is very big.

Any melee attack that goes through will eat away at your HP

Because you may not be at 100% because of the Toughness drain

[spark gyro]

I know how that works

[pulsar aspen]

Alright, you do you.

[spark gyro]

Sure, been doing just fine

[main trellis]

But can be doing better

[reef spoke]

Weirdly, randoms don't use the med stims when low

Like there's no med kits or anything, pop the green stims lol

[dapper coral]

Yeah. But what if the hive scum wants to use it. It's the squishiest class after all right?

[pulsar aspen]

Hive Scum won't be able to use it when they have Cartel's Special and.. for those event missions i would remove my Cartel's Special to begin with.

Sure, your own Stim counts as well, but there are so many Stims in those missions, you get the important bit for the mission way faster that way.

[unreal stirrup]

me when someone call scum the squishiest class

[lunar lichen]

What is the selling point of the dual stub Pistols? Have been trying to find a Point beside style

[main trellis]

Quick responce range for specials (not the best but its good if you build it well)

[lunar lichen]

Does it one hit gunnners? I dont have one maxed and they berely survive with crit Headshot

[main trellis]

Can’t tell; its more like ‚shoot a couple of times’ than 1 shot

[grand jewel]

you just doof in the general direction and be happy with your choice of gun

[echo python]

Dunno about auric gunner 1-shots, but it's intended to be Scum's headshot crit weapon

[dim moth]

special does yes

special has higher finesse modifier so higher headshot/crit damage

I think even with that tho you need a crit for scab gunners

[echo python]

I still need to try the vigilant guns on scum, I've been neglecting them for a while

[winged bay]

Hot off the presses, presumed upcoming Pickpocket nerf

Vulture's mark all damage rather than only ranged

But there's also this, so maybe they haven't decided how to nerf pickpocket. Actually a third one too, which only changes it to melee attacks

[echo python]

Alternatively, they're looking to add some ammo economy tools to other classes

[winged bay]

true

[eager reef]

My ideal change to pickpocket is that you get ammo only from melee kills, rather than letting ranged feed itself.

[winged bay]

that's also on the table it looks like

[lunar lichen]

I rly hope they remove some of the negative Shit from rampage

[astral canyon]

Why?

[pulsar aspen]

Indeed, why?

[compact oyster]

Thank god

[pulsar aspen]

Scums are about to cry havoc..

[astral canyon]

😭 havoc

Ok done

[pulsar aspen]

[trim wind]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-the-undiscovered-country-general-chang-cry-havoc-and-let-slip-the-dogs-of-war-gif-13179818320828021602

[astral canyon]

The dawgs of war

[lilac crystal]

I'm scumming I'm scumming

[granite pulsar]

General question on stim supply. So it has its own CD, do I need my stim to be off CD for my supply to give the buff to my team?

[astral canyon]

Yes

[granite pulsar]

So in general I shouldn't be using my personal stim much, and instead should keep it ready for my supply

[astral canyon]

Pretty much

Also make sure to run fast acting stimms and practiced deployment

Fast acting specially is near mandatory to run if you want the ability to function in the slightest

[granite pulsar]

That makes sense, any thoughts on how long of a stim CD to run? I guess with practiced deployment I'd only get benefit if my stim beats the 60 second CD of the ability.

[astral canyon]

Sample collector talent

[granite pulsar]

For sure

[astral canyon]

Running sample collector means the cd of the stimm doesnt really matter at all as long as youre killing stuff

[granite pulsar]

Sweet, will give it a shot with a maxed stim and adjust from there

[compact oyster]

this is the best solution

turn ranged scum into bounty hunter

[bronze glade]

I count only one

[bronze glade]

Probably

[lilac ermine]

Scum cant run up to gunner anymore and keep dodging 😔

[spice cloud]

U can

[lilac ermine]

Theres no dodge linger anymore for ranged

[spice cloud]

Every class can do that actually u just dodgslide towards it in a 45 defree angle.

[lilac ermine]

Oh wont I be so slow from that

[astral canyon]

Desperado in question:

[lilac ermine]

Oops I mean melee

[spice cloud]

Scum even has a talent that lets u dodgerun without stamina

[lilac ermine]

But when you start meleeing them it wont work

I dont mean like running up but like when your hitting them

[spice cloud]

Then u just dodge normally.

[lilac ermine]

Cus I just slide when running up

Before when you dodge normally it dodges every bullet

Now u can get hit alot during dodges

[spice cloud]

U can dodge gunners with every class tho?

[lilac ermine]

It was easier for hive scum bc they had higher dodge linger

That worked for range and melee

Since ranged dodge linger isnt work anymore easier to get hit

[spice cloud]

I mean sure but wasnt it just bugged anyway?

[lilac ermine]

Yh

So melee has to play more safe

[spice cloud]

I mean getting up to gunners without getting hot was allways possible.

[lilac ermine]

Its when ur on them not getting up to them

[spice cloud]

Idk

[lilac ermine]

Cause just dodging around normally youll get hit now

Its not rlly noticable on auric

[spice cloud]

Not really imo they will lock into melee as soon as u hit them.

[lilac ermine]

But in havoc when they have final toll and they hit u for that split second it can kill you

[spice cloud]

Ah yeah

[lilac ermine]

Not reaper or other gunners

Around the person ur hitting

[spice cloud]

Just reapers really

Gunners etc will kick

[lilac ermine]

The other gunners further away

[spice cloud]

True

Bad positioning then

[lilac ermine]

Its funny how in auric the shooters tickle and do like no dmg

And in havoc one shooter destroys whole toughness

And goes into health

[spice cloud]

Gotta respecg the gunners in havoc.

[spice cloud]

U gotta play more ogryn and once u switch its like taking off training weights for the other classes

[lilac ermine]

I do better with desperado but they are trash against bosses vs. melee

I havent played ogryn yet

Or psyker

[spice cloud]

What pal?

[lilac ermine]

Or the arbter

[spice cloud]

Ahhh

[lilac ermine]

I have zealot veteran hive scum and they are almsot same

[spice cloud]

Im very biased but ogryn is the best class u gotta play it

[lilac ermine]

I just didnt like their abilities except maybe the gun one

Bc one is just charge that isnt kill everyone and the other is taunt that makes everything shoot me

But I didnt play yet

[spice cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/dew-it-galactic-republic-palpatine-gif-21847982

[lilac ermine]

I like having them in team

They can go up in front and keep exploding by poxbursters and not even care

[spice cloud]

Ogryn is so much fun

Just like the dwarf in vt