hivescum-class

[rough peak]

It is, moreso when you aren't always expecting to have to carry everything yourself and kill everything yourself

while doing the objectives yourself

and crying in a corner by yourself

https://tenor.com/view/404soob-pepe-pp-gif-21552696

I just do heresy to chill since I know the enemies will only get me if I stop treating every hit like it will kill me

I'm not a huge fan of enemy spam in aurics

[main trellis]

Sloppyass

[rough peak]

It's not difficult cause of enemy difficulty, it's difficult cause 100 bajillion shit is thrown on you at once

while your head deep in the shit already

And almost every auric tag includes special spam... which is mostly just annoying and it also fucks with my paranoia

I want a version of high end difficulty that isn't just enemy spam >.<'

[exotic temple]

I was about to say auric is fine it’s when you get a shit modifier that it gets annoying

[main trellis]

You need friends to play with who are witty & not dogshit at the game
Aka; hard deal to achieve

[rough peak]

Constant special spawning sounds really can mess with me

I'm already paranoid about silent trappers, hearing 50 trappers and 20 hounds spawn doesn't help

[exotic temple]

It does me too.

[rough peak]

I get why people like it, I just don't like my head getting screwed with while I'm trying to have fun

with 3 randos

[exotic temple]

I also hate how the specialists work

[main trellis]

It is fun tho… for me tho

[exotic temple]

Disablers can all burn in the fiery pits of hell

[rough peak]

I get that, and I respect that. I just... if I am playing with full rando squad... it annoys me

15 muties spawn

Oh boy... wonder what sound they're gonna make...

[spice cloud]

Idk i had amazing teammates but also very shit ones.

It is just a gamble.

[main trellis]

@exotic temple @rough peak You both should play together & get better againts stuff that bothers both of ya & have fun in the process

[rough peak]

I've gambled enough on my fun and I just like to do stuff I know I can have more fun with rather than put myself through less fun for a chance of maybe more fun

[spice cloud]

Yeah but i wanna play and my friends dont

[main trellis]

I would say ~20% good players & rest is dogshit; can filter majority of them by looking at builds they use before playing

[rough peak]

gimme at least 1 competent player and I'll happily do as much as auric maelstroms... gimme 3 randos? Fuck that

[main trellis]

No havoc? 😢

[rough peak]

It's more I don't like putting immense levels of stress on myself for 3 randos

[spice cloud]

I havent played havoc in a whiiiile.

Thats where i draw the rando line

[rough peak]

It's just better balanced weaves to my eyes, and I hated vt2 weaves... I don't really feel like climbing havoc

At least not yet

[spice cloud]

Atleast i can sometimes carry aurics.

I cannot solo havocs tho

[exotic temple]

I’d be down but I generally hate the mechanics of how they wok. With hs it’s not so bad but I’m on an Ogryn kick atm….. trappers especially can all eat shit and die

[main trellis]

I sometimes go party finder to see what ppl run & how ppl operate - usually pepegas

[spice cloud]

Yeah idk i just feel too dependent on my teammates in havocs.

A lot of times everyone around me just dies

[main trellis]

Ye cause pepegas

[spice cloud]

Yeah but i cant solo this shot either thats my issue

I can maybe clutch it for the revive

But thatsbit

[main trellis]

Maybe one day we’ll play together a 40

[main trellis]

Thats usually enough

[rough peak]

All I know is you can depend on nothing from randos. If you depend any little bit on them they will drop kick your ass severely let you down... Honestly I'll probably play havoc some time, I just have 0 desire to do havoc rn

[spice cloud]

Im pretty sure we allready played together a whiiile ago.

[main trellis]

My memory is oof

Been some time if yes

[spice cloud]

I just remember ur name

Pretty sure it was u

When havoc just came out.

[main trellis]

Well; can always repeat the experience

[rough peak]

At least there isn't an invisible enemies modifier in havoc(yet)

[main trellis]

Aaa… that was soo long time ago then

[spice cloud]

Im omw home i could be convinced

[main trellis]

Today i won’t be home; i stay at work overnight

[spice cloud]

No worrys

[main trellis]

Sleeping at work is a vibe

[spice cloud]

Lucky u

[rough peak]

I've never felt safe on any class when I hear a trapper. All it takes is 1 mess up to get disabled

I also equally prioritize them on every class >.>

[spice cloud]

Trappers are a teams biggest skillcheck imo

Shows if u have good or bad teammates

If they get u up before u burn to a crisp they are good

[rough peak]

Any trapper left unchecked is 3 potentially netted randos. I don't really like having 3 netted randos, it is annoying

I've seen all 3 randos get netted by the same trapper way too many times

[spice cloud]

I get that honestly a lot of times i spend allmost the entire game freeing or saving my teammates and they just keep speedrunning. And when i get trapped once just ONCE. Nobody cares and i die.

And taht just feels very tilting.

[rough peak]

Rule of the rando game: If you get disabled, it's probably a full wipe

[spice cloud]

Yeah and its just so sad to me

Like one just ONE mistake.

https://tenor.com/view/anger-yelling-you-know-how-much-i-sacrificed-willen-dafoe-green-goblin-gif-15742158 thats how i feel

[rough peak]

What's funny is the 1st time I died on hive scum was me slipping into the abyss off of a slope at the start of gloriana that a chaos spawn bullied me into(as it died from my chem toxin)

The randos didn't wipe, which made it all the more funny to me when we won that run

[spice cloud]

Those dodges killed me a lot aswell

Especially on the trench map

[rough peak]

I think I've only gotten ledged 1 time from nimble, so far

I also don't use the knife/shiv much, tho

[spice cloud]

Oh man so many times

[rough peak]

I did take fall damage at the start of gloriana like I thought I could, from a nimble dodge with the needle gun

before you even got to where enemies were

I was 99% sure I could from the right dodge, It was hilarious to me when it turned out I was right

[rough peak]

Me after fighting tooth and claw to save them when disabled, after they do nothing when I get disabled like 10 feet from them:

[spice cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/ali187xr-gif-23052876

[rough peak]

Nimble actually has saved me from surprise trappers, I think. I'm almost 100% certain I dodged nets that normally I couldn't have dodged

[spice cloud]

I really like it too

Same with slippery customer

[rough peak]

I actually haven't used that one in a while, so I could save a point for somewhere else

[spice cloud]

Yeah i mean i suppose it does build bad habits kinda.

And u dont really NEED it.

[rough peak]

Bad habits? Ironbreaker couldn't teach me bad habits, hive scum so far has had 0 luck doing it to me in darktide

Ironbreaker is bad habits the career, in vt2 >.>

[spice cloud]

For example dodge smiding away from a crusher overhead.

[rough peak]

imo

[spice cloud]

Or really any other enemy witz any other clss

[rough peak]

You can get way too comfortable taking hits on ironbreaker

[spice cloud]

I have not play vt as extensively as dt.

But i suppose its the same issue.

[rough peak]

Arby actually made me even more vigilant about dodging every hit I can, due to not having a guaranteed hitstun immunity active 100% of the time

That has made hive scum quite easy for me, so far <.<'

Anyway, time to go fail every skill check due to saying that in this run I'm gonna do lol

What's annoying is in the damnation run I did earlier my nose started bleeding, and as if on queue it started bleeding right before I opened darktide to play some more damnation <.<'

[exotic temple]

Trapper for hs tends to be a minor annoyance trapper on ogryn is an existential crisis

[rough peak]

It's a minor annoyance until u mess up

[main trellis]

Mandatory talent; not using = pepega 💯

[grand jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-war-cat-army-cat-guy-katsi-gif-3524625816350209981

[upbeat gyro]

I agree according to my leveling experience. Malice players who outstretched their skill level there

[upbeat gyro]

Last time i got trapped was because trapper was shooting towards our ogryn who dodged and i was running there behind him

[exotic temple]

Also seems to be full of sociopaths who are under leveled and want to be carried. Most are probably ults and they think they have the skill to compensate, they rarely do.

[upbeat gyro]

Ults? You mean alts?

[exotic temple]

Yeah alts

[upbeat gyro]

But yeah its annoying to see some lvl 10 come to damnation with skill level of struggling malice thinking they good since they already got one lvl 30

[exotic temple]

We had a lvl 25 in an auric histg once… there should be a hard level cap for some of these missions unless it’s a custom game

[fast surge]

You mean a minimum level? And I disagree

[exotic temple]

Yeah minimum level is probably a better way to put it.

[rough peak]

One of the last times I got trapped was because of a silent trapper that not even spidey sense marked as spawned(which can happen lol)

Fatshark's coding is so messed up even the mods that help with silent specials fails sometimes

It wasn't even on damnation, iirc. It was just heresy

No sound for the net revving, no sound for it spawning

I was like "Fuck, I'm netted"

About all I could think at that moment

Spidey sense does not work very well in the mortis trials. Massive special influx causes a lot of issues with the marker for them appearing

Plus it sometimes just doesn't work

Good thing I don't rely on getting markers for them, since I also listen and do the paranoid spanner of doing a quick 180/360 to look around myself >.>

vt2 taught me to do the paranoid spanner thing

[dapper coral]

My last game someone died and all I could think about was: are they watching my screen? Will they get seasick from me looking left and right every 0.2 sec?

[rough peak]

I've never once thought about that. It probably looks really weird to see someone doing their thing, while clutching

Especially for a newer player

One thing I don't mind is taking a bit of time to school the rando newbies that are willing to listen about target priority. I usually only do that for randos that are friendly and chatty. When they were like that they at least seemed to listen to what I was saying. Granted to them, from their pov, I'm just a rando as well <.<

I really like to tell them about prioritizing disablers >.>'

Especially trappers

[upbeat gyro]

I thought you were supposed to prioritise green circles at end of mission 🤷‍♂️

[spice cloud]

I only prioritize poxwalkers with my ranged weapon preferably.

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah its good to shoot em right before they touch teammates, they will appreciate you saved em

[spice cloud]

Sotrue

[rough peak]

Sure, if that's your thing. But to win you don't need the crown(circles)... you just need to not get downed/disabled/ledged. Circles? Added bonus, imo. Moreso for disabler kills and least damage taken, for me

I've never really chased after circles, tho. I just focused on killing disablers and avoiding damage

Then again... the best way to avoid getting downed/disabled is to kill the enemy

[lilac crystal]

Heavy sword blessings? 🤨

[astral canyon]

for all 3 marks

[low harbor]

I think I wrote smth to add to this immediately after

[rough peak]

tier O... for optimal

[astral canyon]

its a 0

[rough peak]

I know

[astral canyon]

do you know these hands tho

👊

[rough peak]

Probably, I joke around enough to probably have received them in the past one or more times

Luckily I dodged this time

Unluckily it was with the nimble talent right next to a pit

[astral canyon]

poggers

[rough peak]

I almost died at the end of power matrix because of nimble. Luckily I grabbed the railing and didn't ledge myself

[astral canyon]

unfortunate

[rough peak]

It's also nice that when you vault over a railing you can decide to vault back over it to where you were to avoid ledging yourself

I've saved myself way more than I would like to admit because of that

[queen flame]

ok guys i finally have maxed level hive class so whats a good build i no there squishy as heck as well lol

[thorny ginkgo]

thoughts on the hot shot blessing on needle pistol?

[wanton dock]

completly diffrent thought; do the damage modifiers increase the chem damage?

[thorny ginkgo]

if u want to play the game on easy mode make a vraks IAG desperado build

[livid raven]

only global and toxin damage/strenght modifiers and perks

[astral canyon]

Doesnt really do much for something thats pretty much a elite/special sniping sidearm

[rotund agate]

bad. use Stripped Down + Point Blank for the blessings imo (Point Blank activates from melee weapon kills)

[thorny ginkgo]

thanks

[astral canyon]

If you mean the ones on the weapon stats no

[queen flame]

@thorny ginkgomind messaging me with a link plz bro

[thorny ginkgo]

yea i'll add you

[astral canyon]

Run n gun is better for the accuracy increase

Over point blank

[thorny ginkgo]

eh depends on playstyle

[astral canyon]

And you can shoot while sprinting with stripped down

And mk2 needler really doesnt give a shit about crits

[thorny ginkgo]

yea ik i have to swap it

[astral canyon]

Its like 1 additional stack of tox

[livid raven]

or 2

[rotund agate]

didn't realize it was THAT impactful and important for needler... then again, I don't use mk2 needler anymore (the other one is better for monster damage afaik, so I can just spam needles into a boss for damage on my chaxe melee build)

[astral canyon]

Thats mk6

[livid raven]

any of the sneedler blessing isn't really that impactful

[faint fossil]

anyone got a chainaxe build for scum?

kinda want to try it

[rotund agate]

I have one, but it doesn't use adrenaline frenzy (saw kills don't give stacks from the smiter subnode), and instead uses Chem Dep...

[livid raven]

i imagine it's just rampage but you use chainaxe

[faint fossil]

could i get a screenshot of it

[rotund agate]

gimme a moment then...

[rotund agate]

here it is. (I didn't bother to crop it, sorry about that...)

[faint fossil]

its cool

[exotic temple]

I just run a basic bitch rampage ar for chain axe build I don’t think there is any special interaction with any of the talents. Didn’t realize it messed with smiter

[astral canyon]

Its still good with it for the sweeps

[brittle sierra]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a07a0cea-46de-4afb-ba97-8ed478d8603e/professional-crack-dealer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[astral canyon]

Its just the ripsaw strikedowns that have this problem if you dont kill with the first tick

[rotund agate]

"killing blow" (doesn't trigger from saw kills) =/= "melee/ranged kill" (does trigger from saw kills) afaik, but could be wrong about the inner workings terminology specifics...

[thorny ginkgo]

?

shivs dont got nun on big rashad

[bronze glade]

Can you chuck a Rashad?

Checkmate liberal

[thorny ginkgo]

that'd be crazy

[zenith fern]

get rid of hot shot is never worth as you gonna be using for special kills and boss magdump

[dire badge]

is 10% stamina on dodge worth it?

[woeful hill]

Not really with skum's stamina economy. But try it out see if you notice it

[wise flint]

only way to get reliable vaue from it is weapons that rely on push attacks a lot like mk3 combat knife and heavy sword (single target stab)

[woeful hill]

Which mark of heavy sword is that?

9?

[wise flint]

I forget which one exactly, I'll check in a bit

but I don't even know if it is worth it for those weapons bc you can also just get stamina regen on curios

[bronze glade]

It’s good for rampage

I take it on builds where I have 9 stam and rampage

It’s a lifesaver

If you’re not taking 9 stam

It’s prob not worth it

[brittle sierra]

?

[rough peak]

https://tenor.com/view/globe-gilbert-dhmis-earth-world-gif-11921897

[dire badge]

im tkaing pluus 3 stam and rampage

[sacred pilot]

whoa. Sainted gear?

lol how is there a whole tier of gear i didn't know existed

[woeful hill]

It doesn't exist

It's a visual mod

[sacred pilot]

but 25% dam to stuff?

[woeful hill]

That's a tier 4 perk

[sacred pilot]

i though tier 4 was 20

I guess I been playing Hive Scum too much the last coujple days

low lvl char + chems

Brain Rot

[autumn thorn]

how high are we today?

[exotic temple]

https://tenor.com/view/thegoon-bigoldgoon-ted-lasso-yes-yes-yes-yes-gif-701975896996955852

[autumn thorn]

very? good I guess

[rotund agate]

dunno if forwarding this to here makes the moderators mad, but here goes!

[sacred pilot]

Nice ink

[leaden fable]

Yeah can't wait for someone to get that tattoo for real

[rotund agate]

the ingame one, or my rendition of it?

[leaden fable]

Someone getting this irl I mean lmao

[rotund agate]

so the latter.

[limber cradle]

Yk

Scum tosses the whole launcher when you use rocket

Which implies they're carrying 3-4 disposable rockets on them

[sacred pilot]

Single use. Pull a fresh one from your prison wallet.

"fresh"

being a relative term

[exotic temple]

Scum just be rolling with tesseract labyrinth in their pocket

Like yeah I won this neat doodad from some lanky git over some dice

[astral canyon]

And that somehow they find 3-4 disposable launchers in a blitz pickup

[rotund agate]

a disposable beat-dropper for splatter parties! (I like male Anarchist calling deadly fights "parties" so damn much)

[leaden fable]

They should launch the launcher, too. That'd be 30% more rocket per rocket

[bronze glade]

True

[limber cradle]

Improvised melee weapon(it will kill a crusher cause scum gets so many free stats)

[grand jewel]

especially with tavern brawler

[sturdy marsh]

Desperado bistol is so fun. But I have been accidentally barreling my teammates an awful lot since I started using it

[exotic temple]

If you barrel the psyker it doesn’t count as barreling a person

[torn rapids]

Is hyper crit worth it in a dual auto gunslinger build?

[sturdy marsh]

"accidentally" barreling the smyker

[astral canyon]

specially if its a smyker

[exotic temple]

I’m sorry you are correct, very accidentally and repeatedly barreling the smyker

[bronze glade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1272804331497979935/1450700850132418651/Kill_All_Smykers.gif

https://tenor.com/view/bob-ross-happy-accidents-gif-7215839

[nova valley]

"Get barrelled! Fuck around, find out!"

[bronze glade]

Fuck around, find out

[bronze glade]

Found the bitter smyker barreled by ainz

So bitter that he went back to edit his message

[livid raven]

the original was just "Get barreled!"

[nova valley]

Yes!

But he corrected me! I wanted to be accurate

Always open to suggestions

[sturdy marsh]

Has anyone here used powerdi? Do I need to periodically delete some of the session data? Or will it do it automatically

[bronze glade]

lol it’s not a correction

A correction implies I think it could be fixed

A smyker can’t be fixed

[livid raven]

It can

[bronze glade]

(Beside the use of barrels)

[livid raven]

I was a smyker once

Now i am a desperado

[bronze glade]

Slightly better

You have a long path to recovery

[exotic temple]

I think smyker could be better if they would use it like you would use a grenade. Not just hold down lmb and sit there the whole mission….

[bronze glade]

Yeah like arbi mines?

[astral canyon]

ye

literally just make smite have charges like how assail works

thats it

[exotic temple]

Exactly.

Make it like blackouts where they have to go melee shit to get charges back

[astral canyon]

nah just a cooldown is enough imo

[nova valley]

I am sorry to inform you that you missed the point

[astral canyon]

what even was the point

[bronze glade]

You had a point besides ragebaiting?

[nova valley]

Maybe... But still, it is annoying

[astral canyon]

what is

smykers or smyker hate

[nova valley]

Smite

[astral canyon]

true

[nova valley]

And succeed in both

[nova valley]

Although a cd increase maybe

But what is it now?

The dmg

[astral canyon]

the dmg doesnt matter

[nova valley]

The area

Or the stun

[astral canyon]

its a cc tool you dont use it for the damage

[nova valley]

That is most annoying? To me, the stun

[astral canyon]

the spammability is the most annoying part

[nova valley]

(give me a sec man, I am writing from my phone)

[bronze glade]

Oh yes, you have me absolutely fuming rn

[nova valley]

I'd reduce the area honestly

[astral canyon]

doesnt fix the actual issue with smite

[nova valley]

And make it bounce randomly maybe

[bronze glade]

The idiotic thing is that you can use it for damage too

[astral canyon]

you shouldnt

[bronze glade]

You can

That’s part of the problem

And it’s actually reasonably effective

[astral canyon]

yes

so you nuke the spammability and suddenly people cant use smite as their only damage source anymore

[bronze glade]

Or maybe unreasonably effective

[nova valley]

Maybe make it a less reliable tool, like reducing the number of affected enemies

[bronze glade]

Because the hardest part of using smite for damage

Is clicking on the right talents and ult

[bronze glade]

Now this misses the point

[astral canyon]

you make it less reliable by making it so you cant spam it as much

[nova valley]

Barrel me griefer ❤️

[astral canyon]

ok

[nova valley]

True true

[astral canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1272804331497979935/1450700850132418651/Kill_All_Smykers.gif

[nova valley]

You could also reduce the range of it

[astral canyon]

you could also reduce the spammability

which again

is the actual issue

[zealous ravine]

nah clearly holding down smite is good gameplay

[nova valley]

But you'd still have situation like above

[vague wasp]

Guys, what do needle chemboys put in their stimm for H40?

[nova valley]

Where an entire portion of a map is dancing electrocuted

[astral canyon]

no because now smykers are forced to choose when to smite

[nova valley]

Drugs

[astral canyon]

thats not an issue if its not happening 24/7 tbh

[vague wasp]

What kinda drug, steroid, advil, speed or amphetamine?

[astral canyon]

yes

[nova valley]

Ay, might be true

[nova valley]

Also, yes

[astral canyon]

again the actual problem with smykers has always been spam

[bronze glade]

Yeah the real solution is preventing someone from smiting all game

[astral canyon]

you cut the spam and smykers are pretty much no longer a problem

[limber steppe]

hey guys, just maxed out the class, any build recommendations for havoc?

[nova valley]

Or you can melt it on the bread

[astral canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396860171541807105/1232138126441582642/mfw_deadass.gif

[exotic temple]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-drugs-drug-snow-animal-gif-10335506710319479131

[mighty belfry]

I'm late but I've tried it

It's kind of a nothingburger tbh

[bronze glade]

Not when you’re taking 9 stam

[mighty belfry]

The only real use case I'd see it good for is Rampage's downtime but tbh, 10% on a successful dodge really isn't a lot to begin with and on top of that, the times where Rampage's downtime is a real issue are times where things are so bad that even dodging isn't going to be the only way you're getting out of that situation

So in practice it just doesn't really do much.

Like if you can dodge, you're gonna most likely be able to kite until you get your breath back anyway which defeats the point of that node's benefit.

[winter tusk]

Anyone have the GoG versions of Fallout 3 or NV? If so, is the vanilla version more stable than Steam?

[pallid sapphire]

Anyone got some shiv builds they'd like to share?

[mighty belfry]

I've been running this. But I need to edit cuz I've been running riposte/precog as of recent

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0d65a9a-b33b-4a6b-a7d7-28fee737ecd3/rot-killer

[pallid sapphire]

Yeah precog/Uncanny is what I run on dueling sword

But executor looks good

[mighty belfry]

Executor is also really good but crits really do make a difference for carapace damage

[pallid sapphire]

That's true

[mighty belfry]

So the more the merrier

[pallid sapphire]

I usually use duel autos to kill hordes rn

[mighty belfry]

And uncanny isn't really that necessary on shivs

I'd argue uncanny is one of the weaker options for shivs as a matter of fact

Though it does work with flesh tearer and coated weaponry to DoT maxx for rotten specifically

[mighty belfry]

Don't staregryn me cuz I'm right

[lilac crystal]

I just can't get into heavy sword

I'm a shivver.

Love me shivs

[pallid quail]

ive whipped it out a couple times. was pleasantly surprised. ofc i forgot to use it for that heavy atk penance n suffered using the piece of shit crowbar

[mighty belfry]

Ya'll really do overestimate how much that rending actually does for shivs I think

[pallid quail]

the lil pokeys remain my favs tho

[mighty belfry]

40% is nice but if you're doing a ton of finesse damage already, as long as you're hitting heavies on the things you should be, it really isn't that big of a deal.

[pallid quail]

on the subject u wildly overestimate how much it does for poison

[mighty belfry]

It's not the poison.

I was talking about flesh tearer for a reason.

Rending does like

Nothing for toxin.

[pallid quail]

although i do find it funny that while the balancebrains yelp about uncanny soulblaze fs was just like fuck it were gonna make poison dot great against carapace

[vapid jungle]

I think you're underestimating your overestimation

[mighty belfry]

Nope.

I used to run uncanny

Switched

Really ain't that big of a deal

[pallid quail]

fair enough. i wasnt sure u made the distinction

[mighty belfry]

Because shiv ADMs are already really good.

[mighty belfry]

Rending helps but if you're doing a lot of damage already, it really ain't as big of a deal as it is on something like combat knife

[vapid jungle]

Omg I love mads

[pallid quail]

its consistent free dmg tho

[mighty belfry]

On armored targets for the most part.

I like muh damage being consistent cuz hyperviolence is gonna make me do a ton of damage to armor anyway.

So riposte and precog just ends up feeling better to me cuz of that

[pallid quail]

not a bad idea tbh

[mighty belfry]

This class, breaks rules.

Abuse that.

Cuz horde clear feels way better with the more direct damage based blessings and it gives more overkill to transfer off of mobs that uncanny doesn't do much about from my experience

[pallid quail]

indeed

[azure bronze]

I have been having a lot of fun running vraks desperado in aurics lately. Vraks slept on.

[wise flint]

I agree because aurics don't have a lot of armor packs, shiv's uncanny is neutered, and needle gun makes up for it
past auric I much prefer other melees personally

if it had og uncanny then I would disagree

[azure bronze]

wish crowbar wasn't so mediocre

[mighty belfry]

40% rending means uncanny isn't the completely necessary option it is on some weps

and it's nice

[bronze glade]

i mean it's pretty important still for fighting crushers and maulers

[unique spire]

It isn't

[mighty belfry]

nah not really

I really don't feel the loss of uncanny because I'm usually using heavies consistently on those targets anyway.

And heavy ADMs are great by default.

So if you're just really leaning in on doing as much crit damage as possible, it really isn't that important.

Esp with coated weaponry and throwing knives doing a bunch of carapace damage anyway

[wise flint]

yeah I think without throwing knives you could more tangibly feel the limits of shivs on armor

but as long as you use your resources, shivs are more than enough 90% of the time

and when they're not enough, a blitz or needle fun will close the gap

[wise flint]

it is
compared to other class unique weapons like relic blade, arbites shock maul, psyker force swords, vet shovel, it is pretty mid against everything
usable, but it is a mediocre weapon overall

especially with the alt mode being powerful but screwing mobility + anti-synergy with things like hyperviolence

makes it overall mediocre

[mighty belfry]

it's pretty mid

[unique spire]

From my point of view it isn't

I am blind

[proper tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/bosnov-67-bosnov-67-67-meme-gif-16727368109953357722

[hallow socket]

My new main is so silly it makes me laugh but I think I'm finally content with it. Made an updated video with random Auric play on it. Wanna do havoc but I don't know anyone really.

Had some havoc players but they've been mia.

After spending the last few weeks I think optimizing this Hivver build, tried a run with Vet and Psyker with tragic results.

[main trellis]

Can help ya
Teach ya & refine builds

[orchid timber]

oh boy stimm event for my stimm addict hive scum

[spiral horizon]

NEED

[hallow socket]

See what you think of this it's pretty cooked but I'm frothing it atm. Never had a main I usually play everything. https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0e46c07-a207-4bc8-9cc0-7f64782134f1/puke-nukem-melee-hybrid-desperado-explosive-bolt-pistol

[mighty belfry]

More concept art

With stuff we don't have

[hallow socket]

Need more content

[stable nimbus]

At least it's in the concept

[mighty belfry]

[stable nimbus]

That's a lot more than nothing lol

[hallow socket]

Maps, enemies and that vermin tide rouge like sound lit.

[main trellis]

Mini flamer?

[hallow socket]

just new maps would be great.

[stable nimbus]

Yeah i don't see that making its way into the game

[main trellis]

Thats quite meme’y; just go rampage at this point

[hallow socket]

I don't like the debuff and Desperado is unlimited ammo plus ranged immunity. It feels unfair at this point and yeah it's basically a meme now 😂

Got any builds to share?

Made this cooked meme double barrel Psyker build inspired by Ash and The evil dead but a Psyker. It's actually fun, viable and weird.

[orchid timber]

i got one for big guy none for hive scum

[main trellis]

Tonight we can talk in vc & stream builds

[hallow socket]

Sounds groovy I might still be online.

[exotic temple]

The adm on heavy attack for shivs is nuts as it is. It’s 600 +dmg on weakspot crits

[exotic temple]

Is it? I thought it was fairly well understood to be competitive with dap

[misty hearth]

So, what's the Cartel's Favour event about?

[azure bronze]

Waaaay better for me. Tanner has a whole video about it:
https://youtu.be/jIuywTrCaIQ?si=BLghCJmJcpXm2jje

Way more damage. It is still weak against crushers, but my time to kill into other specials is so better

[exotic temple]

It’s better into crushers than daps.

[azure bronze]

It is

But still, takes a mag

[exotic temple]

If you hit the rending stim and have the desp rending node should only take half a mag

[azure bronze]

Prolly yeah

[dusk wagon]

Refresh only the Ragtag Enemies: Plague Gas spawns on the map, lasting 16-20 seconds.
It deals 8 Corrosion damage to players every 0.75 seconds.
The gas grants enemies a 6-second green pupil effect with 20% damage resistance, +30% movement speed (Leaders, Specials don't gain speed, Mutants do), and ×250% quality boost.
Ragtag Needles and Map Needles have their durations extended by 5 seconds. All types of Needles spawn on the map with extended durations. Self-made Needle points on the map now last 20 seconds when unmarked and 25 seconds when marked.

Player Needle Effects:

• Stackable Needle buffs activate while in Plague Gas (max 10 stacks).
• 95% Corrosion resistance, +25% melee/ranged damage, +20% attack speed, +30% movement speed, +30% reload speed.
  Enemy Needle Effects: - Effects persist until death. Resistant to stagger and penetration.
  Needle Types: - Blue Needle: Armorless, infection, bulletproof, 60% immunity to Insanity/Unbreakable, 55% damage reduction against Hardshells (DOT treated as Hardshell).
• Green Needle: 100% health regeneration from single damage taken within 100 seconds; 50% reduction to DOT damage.
• Red Needle: +40% melee attack speed.
• Yellow Needle: +30% melee/ranged attack speed, +400% magazine size, 35% damage reduction, 300% damage from weak points

[fast surge]

No one sleeps on vraks, it's been praised as one of HS best ranged options since release and it was plenty strong before that too

[dusk wagon]

The content of machine translation includes some nouns whose English original spellings I am not sure about

[azure bronze]

I mean I think I only seen 2 scum run it in pugs and seen dozens of daps and stubbera

[fast surge]

Probably because it's been in the game since ever and people want to use new weapons

[livid raven]

because the iag doesn't really fit what the desperado scum is going for

[azure bronze]

True dat. I never used it in my 300 hours so lol novel for me

[livid raven]

despite being the best weapon for it

[azure bronze]

It works so well with pickpocket I been running random melee weapons just for fun too

Giving the chainaxe a time to level

[main trellis]

Once again Tanny misses some crucial things however;

1. Vraks relies on weakspots & crits to do maximum dps so naturally needs to max on those to be competitive
2. Bullet trajectory when full auto ads is still broken aka ironsights do not represent the location where bullets land
3. DAP has better accuracy if you consider run & gun AND sticky hands talent, making it quite potent even beyond midrange (just tap the trigger to control the recoil)
4. DAP relies on high firerate & pure dmg to be competitive thus if you don’t want to go into crits (or don’t have points to invest into Chem Demp) then can only put 1 point into vultures & you’re set (cause it increases dmg while chem demp only crit)
5. Mobility on DAP is superior in both firing and stamina regain (srsly stamina regen on DAP is the most broken shit ever; no weapon has that much regain) which in turn makes you sprint almost always & makes you a good scavenger/skirmisher cause you’ll be always with topped off stamina which you also want cause HCB talent DR
   Both good, not outclassed in any way

[wanton dock]

pardon the question,
what is "DAP" ?

[main trellis]

Dual Auto Pistols

[trim wind]

Obligatory you shouldn't trust tanner videos disclaimer

[main trellis]

I just watch for info on what to expect from masses that might copy the info in them - listen to all & stuff

Same for other mainstream darktide toobers

(That their builds are most of the time unoptimized/poorly chosen)

[trim wind]

Sure but he's the worst, and for more than just info

[azure bronze]

I have noticed 2, but even with a 1 point vulture build I feel it works better for me

[azure bronze]

I would happily take advice on an optimised desperado build!

[main trellis]

Depends on range options (there are 4; all viable in their own way)
Can talk about them in vc tonight if you wanna (i really don’t wanna write an essay)

[vapid jungle]

Hell yea in game event, stim supply eating good

[lavish bronze]

just know you made a grievous sin

[west yacht]

What are the next best melee options for Scum following Shivs?

the ones I tried sucked tbh

[rough peak]

I know the rashad combat axe is way up there on how good it is

[astral canyon]

Rashad is the best option for melee scum yeah

[spice cloud]

I really dislike combat axe with rampage.

Idk why.

[main trellis]

It has an issue of when you get pressured by everything it might not clear nor stagger all at once & leave you vurnerable
Played alot with it on HS and i always felt like i could not go full on cause of this weakness

I had more survivability on fking Dclaw mk1 spam than on rashad and that says alot

[wanton dock]

I just like the Bonesaw,
hitting bosses with brittle makes me feel like I'm playing a JRPG and I'm setting up for the party to combo.

[main trellis]

BASED

[faint fossil]

recently i've been using the bonesaw with stimpack

its great

of course its not perfect against flak and caparece groups

but for that i pull a rocket out of my ass

[livid raven]

what is it perfect against then

[wanton dock]

my biggest issue is not murdering hordes fast enough.
I use attackspeed in my stim to compensate, but maybe I should use TacticalAxe or Shivs

[exotic temple]

I mean needle bonesaw combo tends to take care of armor packs well enough

[faint fossil]

nothing cause the other melee weapons are better

but it has the drip factor

and you can't beat that

[livid raven]

i can actually

with an iron bat

[faint fossil]

for me it still looks cool to use the bonesaw but yea i prefer using the crowbar still

[livid raven]

is the crowbar good then

[spice cloud]

I do love bonesaw too

Its an aquired taste

For a more civilized era

[faint fossil]

works well enough

im just gonna use what looks the coolest to me

hive scum can make any of the melee weapons work anyways

[exotic temple]

For crate the only other weapon than bone saw I found that seemed to work was shivs but I think shivs are overtuned.

[livid raven]

i don't think DAP ever takes run and gun tho

[azure bronze]

I did on mine

[livid raven]

why

[main trellis]

I use it; makes you more accurate at longer ranges & makes you better at special killing

I see ppl run their DAPs and their crosshairs and i’m like
YIKES

[livid raven]

i'd much rather run pinning fire instead

[main trellis]

Try it; you’ll see

[azure bronze]

Better to hit than miss

[main trellis]

Pinning is nice when you have scab ragers cause you will stagger them nicely for the bonus but blaze is just better overall
And acc is king - being able to hit all shots at midrange and be usable at long range feels good (not to mention terrain obscurity of the enemy like on snipers or bombers; R&G with Sticky makes those shots easier)

[spice cloud]

I havent tried anything else with it tbh

I also never tried bonesaw with rampage.

I think my personal favorite for rampage is the chainsword.

[exotic temple]

I’m leveling chain axe at the moment and it’s really nice. Rampage bonesaw is fun but idk if it’s really more effective than other weapons

I need to try chainsword.

[spice cloud]

Try it its very funny.

The one with cleave on lights

[exotic temple]

Also rampage fixes basically all the issues with bonesaw but it’s sorta the same story with all weapons. The only advantage I’d say there is that your toxin damage indirectly helps feed hyper violence.

[main trellis]

Mk13g; if only its revs were not worse than mk4s
It would have been peak

[spice cloud]

The one with the heavy strikedowns

I like that one

[main trellis]

Ye 13g

[spice cloud]

I prefer the strikedown revs idk

They feel better

[main trellis]

Tbh heavy strikedown don’t matter when you have rev mechanic + mk13g heavies are slower than mk4s… and longer

You light rev everytime

[spice cloud]

Kinda yeah

[main trellis]

Only exeption if you can stagger a crusher

[spice cloud]

But i still use the normal heavy attack on gunners etc.

[main trellis]

Rev them with light

[spice cloud]

Its a oneshot tho

[main trellis]

Altho on mk4; mk13 has worse revs and thats making it worse than mk4

[spice cloud]

I see

I do like those lightspammy weapons with rampage tho

[main trellis]

If it had the same revs like mk12 chainaxe where only the heavy rev is longer it would be better

[main trellis]

Try mk12 chainaxe; can stagger a crusher 100% on heavy revs with enough str (need to test how it will be with rampage cause with thrust it autostaggers them on 3 stacks; on 2 it depends but can too)

[spice cloud]

I allready tried the chainaxe yeah

Its the same issue i have with caxe

It feels a bit slow for rampage imo

Its like its bugged or smth

Prolly just me

[exotic temple]

I hadn’t noticed.

But I probably don’t know any better

[spice cloud]

I think its my mouse or something i have the same issue with the eviscerator.

Its like it doesnt get the input or something.

And i cant click fast enough

[exotic temple]

That’s weird idk I’ll have to check when I get back home

[main trellis]

Try different mouse; see if there is any difference

[spice cloud]

Dont have any

[upbeat gyro]

You convinced me to give DAP another try (with run&gun). Now if only someone would manage to convince me Ogryn isnt as bad as Mr E says 😄

[north crow]

Ogryn is sadly terrible for havoc

feels terrible I meant to say

[upbeat gyro]

2024 i mained ogryn before i quit Wish it was still good

[exotic temple]

I still think ogryn is good they just need to go through the weapons and buff them to where they are useful

But half of the weapons are viable

[upbeat gyro]

Ill be sure to try few games atleast once i unlock some of the Havoc cosmetics

Maybe just staying at aurics though

[exotic temple]

The big guy beckons

[azure bronze]

I am playing around with the chainaxe as my melee option just because it looks the coolest, what blessings would you recommend?

[rough peak]

iirc with the mk12 it's headtaker + slaughterer/thrust

for the mk4 it's headtaker + slaughterer

[azure bronze]

Hrm, what about bloodletter into monstrosities/bosses?

[light phoenix]

Hi there, any suggestions for a non-desperado build?

[main trellis]

Bloodletter & Thrust for mk12
Bloodletter & Thunderous for mk4 (not really for rampage build; use mk12)

[main trellis]

Never
Mk4 is more of a defensive/quick single target weapon; bloodletter & thunderous will make it deal againts every enemy while moveset covers for chaf control

[main trellis]

Its an option but idealy bloodletter & thrust lets you cover singles better since rampage provides enough power & cleave - don’t need slaughterer & headtaker

[main trellis]

Yes; play arby/zealot

JK

[upbeat gyro]

You get two builds at price of one if you focus 29 talents on melee, then 1 on pickpocket and use needler as ranged

You can play either melee or as needler then or switch depending on situation, melting crushers and bosses from distance

[main trellis]

Why use melee then at all
Just spam needler its better

[upbeat gyro]

Because rampage shiv is fun? And deals with hordes better than spamming needler

[azure bronze]

I am looking at my vraks, I been using fire frenzy and dumdum. But is deathspitter a better version of dumdum?

[upbeat gyro]

Dumdum is best blessing

[main trellis]

Needle is soo busted its safer to just shoot since all you need is 1 kill on special/elite to get a refill

#balanced

[azure bronze]

maybe needler should be excluded from pickpocket

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah, but you are left then with 29 talents without proper use, might aswell make something with em too

[bronze glade]

due to the activation conditions, dumdum is stronger

[upbeat gyro]

I mean, sure, there is that one +10% toxin talent there too

And nimble and those on the way down to get mobility

[azure bronze]

alright, guess I'll keep my blessings

[upbeat gyro]

But talentwise needler only really needs pickpocket

[main trellis]

Always have DD
Ppl say str from deathspittervis better cause multiplicative
Fire frenzy offers better dmg at base (despite being close dmg)

[main trellis]

Make pickpocket a subnode gor despy & it will be perfect

[exotic temple]

Here are some basic crate and rampage builds

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a08658cd-0fbe-4a99-92b3-2d46c5e26a5b/krongor-the-filthy

crate

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0866f00-dc3f-4fde-b0d6-3271fada8e75/singed

[azure bronze]

One thing I can't figure out is it says it has a torch, but special activation doesn't turn it on >_>

[main trellis]

I see someone played league

My condolences

[exotic temple]

Yes singed was my main

[upbeat gyro]

Here is my Rashad + Needler combo build https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0d16285-0fb3-41cf-aaf3-1bbf28bc5e3d/rashad-axe-scum

[muted pivot]

Almost. Imo, subnode for vulture

[main trellis]

Vraks? It does

[exotic temple]

I used to play dota back when it was a wc3 custom mode

[main trellis]

Nah; won’t fix the needler pickpocket spam for every build

[upbeat gyro]

If using something else than Rashad, just get one cleave talent too, Battering Strikes

[muted pivot]

You're using the IAG? Not the BAG?

IAG is the good one, BAG is shite

[main trellis]

Making it a despy node will keep range builds intact while melee & support builds won’t be basically needle spam in disguise

[main trellis]

Not needed with rampage; even shivs don’t need it - rampage gives enough cleave for every weapon

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah but rampage isnt on 100% time?

[azure bronze]

Yep not the braced one

[muted pivot]

But only ranged builds take vulture

And even then they take dep

How about making it not work on chem kills lol

[main trellis]

I bet ya if they move pickpocket to vulture ppl will be grabing that on melee builds just for it

[main trellis]

Not all of them

[muted pivot]

I mean I take Vulture myself too, I don't like Dependency's spam stimms instead of situational application

[main trellis]

But you stay in it for a very long time - enough even in havoc to sustain you (unless you don’t extend it then pepega you)

[brittle sierra]

I think I'm burnt out from Darktide 😔

Need a new game

Risk of Rain???

[tranquil berry]

New season of deep rock galactic dropped today. Rock'n'Stone!

[upbeat gyro]

Get kid, will have just few hours time to play on week so won't have time to get bored 👶

[pallid quail]

anything new in the slopshop for our lex offenders ?

[zenith fern]

snowhounds

[upbeat gyro]

DRG lacks meaningful challenging endgame, and mostly just cosmetics get added for grind

[zenith fern]

the called Deep Dives and Lethal plus diff

[woeful hill]

I find it fun to mess around with teams and blow up bugs

If I wanted difficulty I can solo queue hard deep dive

[upbeat gyro]

Having to mod difficulty didn't seem appealing

[zenith fern]

You can solo it?

Without mods

[woeful hill]

I haven't yet, I'm not that good

But there is a solo queue option vanilla

[upbeat gyro]

I liked the game until i had all OCs and too OP builds to trivialize deep dives

[tranquil berry]

There is challenge in deep rock if you want it, but it's just a much better game to simply bro down in. Just let your inner dwarf out

[zenith fern]

Either way diff 5 plus is close enough to deep dives

[upbeat gyro]

And friends quit

[woeful hill]

With max lethal plus it's probably harder then deep dive

[upbeat gyro]

I still miss nuking bugs though

[tranquil berry]

The randomness of the maps adds a lot of moments, and 5+ diff can get whacky

[upbeat gyro]

Is 5+ somewhat new?

[zenith fern]

that just a remodelled exisiting helmet lol

[tranquil berry]

That satisfying thunk when the fat boy lands perfectly

[zenith fern]

added with Season 5

[upbeat gyro]

I played Back on 2023

Okay, havent seen then

[zenith fern]

So you have not played season 5 yet?

[tranquil berry]

Lets you up the bug spawns, their aggression and nerf yourself a bit

[pallid quail]

we should rock n stone some time (im new af tho)

[zenith fern]

no need to think

just rock and stone your way

[astral canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-and-stone-deep-rock-galactic-gif-25114877

[upbeat gyro]

Dont have enough time for darktide as is so won't reinstall DRG

[livid raven]

simply uninstall darktide

[astral canyon]

simply download more time

[zenith fern]

DRG is literally less of 4GB lol

[tranquil berry]

Be the dwarf you were meant to be!

[pallid quail]

this somehow sounds heretical

[tranquil berry]

DRG is a considerably better use of your time than darktide. It's like saying you wont enjoy a luxury vacation cause you're too busy at the labor camp

[limber cradle]

idk about that

[upbeat gyro]

Nah, plenty to conquer for me skillwise on darktide, DRG i ran out of challenge

Both are good games though

[limber cradle]

agreed

[tranquil berry]

I guess you guys haven't played enough darktide to start hating it yet. Enjoy it while it lasts.

the hate will come.

[lavish bronze]

i ahted on dt maybe twice both time was on havoc

youre good

[thorny ginkgo]

do i have to use bonesaw on a chem build, id rather use shivs

[tranquil berry]

that's how it starts.

a lil bit here, a lil bit there

[limber cradle]

i have been playing tide games for literally a decade man

do you want to see my purple heart or something

[lavish bronze]

i have over 700h in this game

[tranquil berry]

purple tip

[thorny ginkgo]

i reached 620 hours since i got the game last summer i don’t hate it yet lol

[tranquil berry]

700? 620? still new then

[thorny ginkgo]

only thing i “hate” is the people who rush ahead and leave their mates behind lol

[lavish bronze]

new? i know more than some of the so called youtubers

[tranquil berry]

you'll learn to hate those that fall behind and don't help you push soon enough

and ultimately there's just the hate for the stuck-in-the-middle bunch left

[thorny ginkgo]

i mean like one person who just rushes ahead just to die

[tranquil berry]

did he rush ahead or were the other 3 painfully slow for no reason?

call it darktide relativity

[thorny ginkgo]

rushed ahead while there was a lot of elites etc

[tranquil berry]

what's a lot? 3?

[thorny ginkgo]

no a whole horde lol

[tranquil berry]

so 4 then?

[thorny ginkgo]

[upbeat gyro]

It did, back in 2024, hunted Power sword blessing 6 months and left

[tranquil berry]

the hunt for power cycler was real!

[limber cradle]

Yeah like

I only stopped playing DT during gacha weapons era

The game is better than it was

[upbeat gyro]

And i like both of the new classes added

[bronze glade]

Reworked curio system when

Reeeee

[grand jewel]

I don't want to talk about it

[astral canyon]

recuriod work system

[exotic temple]

You can use shivs just grab coated weaponry

[dim moth]

rainworld

[dim moth]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a08d5fc2-56f8-401b-99a0-ee054340b580/100-crit-chance-poop-knife

[dim moth]

absolutely not

if someone is falling behind that is your fault

and you should hold back to support them

[mighty belfry]

Depends tbh

Some people really do just linger behind way more than they should

[pallid quail]

as an ogryn if u cant keep up w me thats a skill issue

[tranquil berry]

thus making sure that the team always advances at the pace of the weakest link

[mighty belfry]

That being said, the inverse can also be true.

[pallid quail]

they think theyve found a new meta. if they die it teleports them a few rooms ahead #speedrun

[mighty belfry]

And also that person could be dealing with a specialist bonanza from the back.

There's a lot of factors to consider with pacing honestly.

[limber cradle]

Its easier to deal with someone who stays behind a little more than they should as opposed to someone who insists on running ahead ime

Like yeah, it's annoying

[tranquil berry]

corpse runs are meta in pub aurics

[mighty belfry]

Box cutters are fun

I've really grown to appreciate AoE bistol on this class.

[spice cloud]

„Why are you so slow?“ me fucking fighting for my life back there

[civic hare]

Sucks that none of the hive scum have more coldly criminal personalities - like the loose cannon comes off as a more cold blooded killer (with the whole "come to think of it, there were guards... and a lot of blood) than the hive scum which just seem like well junkies or mentally/ emotionally unstable aka constantly angry, or just somewhat nice (if going by the outlaw)

[limber cradle]

Bounty hunter

[civic hare]

All he does is yell

he comes off as a guy with anger issues and no authority

[spice cloud]

[drifting heron]

Then play f bounty hunter

[civic hare]

that is not it

i've heard is lines

they come off as pathetic

[spice cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-eeee-gif-24636179

[drifting heron]

Idk i think they're fun

Not as fun as anarchist

But f loose cannon needs her wife

[civic hare]

oh shut up

[spice cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/mini-me-pointing-yep-pointing-attitude-mini-me-attitude-gif-17763787

[limber cradle]

I'm gonna be real

You come off as someone with anger issues and no authority

[civic hare]

when did i ever demand someone to obey me?

[limber cradle]

Idk but you seem to be fond enough of yourself to put captain in your name

[civic hare]

thats because i plan on becoming a bloody sailor

manifest destiny

[limber cradle]

Aye, you'll be a great seamen I'm sure

[civic hare]

I'll make sure i will

[wanton dock]

I mean,
the whole aethetic FatShark is pushing for Hivescum is the Mohawk wearing 80s punks

[civic hare]

yeah but that's more so tacky than criminal sadly

but it explains the voices

[wanton dock]

realistically... in a hive with countless fkn bilions we would have Literal Criminal Empires, with hierarchies and complex social structures...

But apparently all the Hivescum is straight up cloned from Necromunda.

[limber cradle]

They'd be cooler if they were munda clones I'm ngl

[wanton dock]

oh yeah, with House Goliath and House Escher.
'we are one of those nameless houses

[limber cradle]

Best gang

[wanton dock]

what the hell, that helmet on the lower right looks so badass

[limber cradle]

House Van Saar

[ember spear]

duel stubs or duel auto pistols?

[woeful hill]

they do different things

[ember spear]

Like whats the ups and downs of each for the pew pew desperado build

[livid raven]

dual stubs aren't good desperado weapons

[woeful hill]

autos are faster and closer ranged

pistols are slower and more weakspot oriented

[exotic temple]

Stubs are more of a side arm dual auto pistol you can run in a desperado build and rarely ever have to pull out a melee weapon.

[restive frost]

dam fukd up... they havent added hive scum to the commissary

[hallow socket]

More Necromunda skins please.

Annoying every rotation the Arby and Hivver don't get any new skins. I'm not that knowledgeable of tabletop but I know we could at least get more for the Hive Scum. Darktide sort of only has House Escher/ Goliath vibes. The Blue clothing you can buy looks a bit like an Orlock outfit.

[tranquil fjord]

all other classes have wealths of content available to be put into shop

they use a customization system which allows it to be modular

except hive scum and arbites have set and strict regulations for their presentation

so they cant use the same presets as before

[tranquil berry]

No, they'll have to actually put in work. Imagine that!

[tranquil fjord]

the lack of commissary items hurts them more

i guess, they could have anticipated the release and thus made more cosmetics to sell during that period

and to also put into the commissary

[rough peak]

I knew it... the event mission is a gas one as well. The thing about stimms giving you resistance to it wouldn't have made sense if it wasn't >.>

[rough peak]

lol a monster spawned as the elevator was descending for the final area in power matrix... I had rockets to spare and the vet had krak nades, the plague ogryn didn't know what hit it lol

[tropic crag]

i think its a cost risk thing at that point, like yeah they could go all out on the cosmetics but that means the new class has to sell more. Their in house artists are probably working on the base stuff we see and the levels and stuff so the work would have to come at the cost of more money

so i think they're just splitting the difference and giving us the one page of stuff alongside the new class

[nocturne anvil]

Stim crate without cartel special on this patch... 💉

[pallid sapphire]

Wdym

[mighty belfry]

Yeah like as long as you hit heavies on crushers. Throw a knife or two. They just die either way.

Shivs are just crazy honestly.

I'm shocked they made them as good as they are.

[elder light]

stimm supply not giving tox resist on the new event

or the new buff

[mighty belfry]

Oh dear.

[exotic temple]

Im kinda salty the shivs are 600+ on strike down to carapace but the ogryn cleavers don’t go over 500 dmg

It’s like who would do more damage stabbing someone in the face the guy that can drag a tank or the methhead???

[mighty belfry]

What if the meth is so good that it makes you able to drag a tank

Them strength stimms put in work.

[exotic temple]

I guess it does because that’s how we are rolling

[mighty belfry]

I haven't even run cdr on my stimms anymore because I go full finesse tree now

For rampage I mean

[exotic temple]

I’ve been running full chem dependency on rampage with the extra cdr on melee kill

Getting rampage back super fast is funny but probably not optimal

[mighty belfry]

Honestly been feeling like using the stimm as a way to keep the damage numbers up on rampage downtime just feels better to me

Especially since finesse stimm does make you do crazy numbers with shivs

It's also nice because you can either use it on downtime

Or.

Stack rampage and stimm

[exotic temple]

Right and 9/10 you kill everything you need to before rampage runs out

[mighty belfry]

If you just need to say "fuck absolutely everything that's coming towards me"

[mighty belfry]

It is dumb on rotten armor

Finesse stimms

Actually made me enjoy rotten armor more

Because I know I can actually take fights against walls of crushers and actually square up.

[exotic temple]

I’ll have to try that

Chain axe is fun but I’m kinda burnt out on it

[astral canyon]

Do you take attack speed as well or just strength

[mighty belfry]

I run full strength with two speed nodes

Speed nodes to circumvent the downtime debuff hitting my attack speed.

It's a long stimm cooldown but you have so much damage so consistently that I think it's worth it.

[exotic temple]

I did tell myself I was gonna self nerf rampage shivs by using box cutters but I don’t know if there is really a difference

[mighty belfry]

You'll notice them lacking on crushers tbh

[astral canyon]

So like this?

[exotic temple]

Like having to push attack to get to single target dmg is a little annoying but it’s not a huge deal

[mighty belfry]

Because the single target combo isn't as high dps

Box cutters IMHO are good for tox builds

[astral canyon]

Toilds

[mighty belfry]

Yep. Highly recommend it.

[astral canyon]

Aight

[mighty belfry]

Now that I'm actually thinking. I'm wondering if it's worth taking long lasting stimms to fill the downtime gap better.

[hallow socket]

Depends on the timing I guess I like having something there straight away on ability cooldown.

I've messed up at times where the stimm is available every second cooldown.

[hallow socket]

Looks juicy

[nocturne anvil]

A shit ton of enhanced stims to spam everywhere

[tropic crag]

am i gaslighting myself or did they nerf the needle gun? (i'm not upset just very dumb and took like a week off

like it still feels fine from what i've used but they like halved the mag right?

[obtuse forge]

It depends, how many needles does it have now? I haven’t played in a week either.

From what I remember it has 6.

[tropic crag]

ok then it still has 6 and i'm gaslighting myself

its been a long week

[obtuse forge]

Mm. So it has

I miss Darktide. I’m going back in.

[tropic crag]

i also mostly used the bistol before taking my break, and yeah thats where i was at so i turned it on this evening lol

[obtuse forge]

Fair enough lol. I also found the ammo count for the needle gun concerning at first.

But then, of course, it performed as well as it does. So I couldn’t complain too much after that.

[tropic crag]

yeah its basically like 2 shots for most things to die in a fairly timely manner

and i noticed the scum does call out when you've poisoned them enough but they are not dead that they are in fact dead lol

[obtuse forge]

Well to be fair, it does take a second for the effects of one’s organs melting to take place.

[neat geyser]

Is the “Cartel Special” the Stimm or the Ability?

[obtuse forge]

The stimm

Are you doing a penance related to it?

[neat geyser]

No, just saw the Sample Collector description and was confused

[obtuse forge]

Ah, I see. Have fun with that then, scum.

[neat geyser]

I shall 😋

[obtuse forge]

Although, I think using the ability also counts. Though I may be wrong, because I don’t actually play box scum.

[tropic crag]

it recharges the stim but you can have your box recharge at the same time as the stim with the one node

so it can count as both

thats how i run it, i run max cd stim with cartel special and a dash of cd reduction on the stim as a safety net if i can't sample collector it back

and my box is up all the time

[obtuse forge]

I was thinking about that. It seem I still retain some knowledge from the few times I tried out box scum to be a little more supportive of my team.

[tropic crag]

yeah you were close enough to be right but it just needs the node to work like that

practiced deployment its called

[obtuse forge]

Yes, I remember that’s an integral part of that specific build.

I am very appreciative of box scum. As a rampage scum it’s very nice to have even more stimms on top of my stimms to help me kill harder.

[tropic crag]

yeah i mostly play rampage but i enjoy box from time to time

[light phoenix]

I wanna play Box Scum more, it feels more like the intended power level vs all the desperado scum

Rampage Scum is also fun

Still am not sure what stimms to bring for Box, whether to max one side or more or minimise and spam exploding crates

[mighty belfry]

I played box scum a bunch when the class first came out

And then moved onto rampage

I just hate that it feels like you're forced to run crate on Blight.

Because it feels weird being the class with straight corruption immunity for the team.

Only to not take it.

[light phoenix]

Adrenaline on Rampage build?

[mighty belfry]

Good. Prefer that setup for stuff like heavy sword or rashad

It's good in general but ime high finesse weapons like Chem dependency

[exotic temple]

I saw somewhere there is a modifier that cuts dot dmg 50% with the new event. I only saw it once so idk if is true or not

[mighty belfry]

Green stimms.

The new event has already existed in Havoc basically.

Just not all the stimm caches

[pallid sapphire]

does fast acting stims also heal corruption

for the lingering effect

[mighty belfry]

You mean with blessed stimms?

Or stimm crate?

[pallid sapphire]

stimm crate

[mighty belfry]

fast acting stimms don't work with stimm crate

Like at all

[pallid sapphire]

why

[pallid sapphire]

why

[mighty belfry]

It just doesn't.

OH MY GOD

WAIT

EXCUSE ME

YES IT DOES

I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT LONG LASTING STIMMS

or i mixed them up in my head

yeah it does

[pallid sapphire]

So fast acting stims makes it to where someone can step out of the stim box AoE and still heal corruption then? That's good if so

[mighty belfry]

Yep.

[pallid sapphire]

Ok cool so with coordination it's strong

[mighty belfry]

It's a hard counter to Blight. Ya

[pallid sapphire]

Do you know if the scum stim counts as a buff stack for the new Cartel Favors?

I didn't test that

[mighty belfry]

Haven't tried the new event yet so I wouldn't know.

[pallid sapphire]

It does

ALso what is the point of the secondary attack for the cleaver

[mighty belfry]

It inflicts brittleness.

[pallid sapphire]

Yeah but like

[mighty belfry]

It also is not very good.

[pallid sapphire]

Actual usefulness

Yeah lol

[mighty belfry]

Except for bosses maybe.

But switching is so slow that it's barely practical to do.

[pallid sapphire]

Think I would rather just always use the poison

I mean it seems to do more raw damage in general with the brittle active

[bronze glade]

yeah only real use case is if you run needler

and you can stack brits

then immediately switch to needler and pump the target full of toxin

except it still isn't worth it

because tox has high adms universally

[pallid sapphire]

Crowbar feels weird

[spice cloud]

It needs rampage to be decent.

Other then that the dmg just isnt there.

[pallid sapphire]

Yeah sadly so far all of the hive scum uniqueness just boils down to uh

Use shivs and then either do a chem build or a desperado ranged focused build with shivs as the backup weapon lol

[spice cloud]

Hm not really. The crate paired with bonesaw can be very nice. Also pretty much every weapon is great with rampage.

And desperado is just desperado.

Its just that most people prefer the easyest builds wich is desperado. Or straight up broken builds like needler pickpocket.

[pallid sapphire]

Yeah I don't see a reason not to just always have pickpocket lol

[spice cloud]

Pretty much unnecessary on rampage and crate builds.

Just use ur melee.

Waste of points really

[pallid sapphire]

I mean but you're completely removing the need for an ammo economy which means your other team members can get more ammo

[spice cloud]

U can have that by default! By just managing ur ammo and not using ur ramged weapons so much.

And then have better melee cause u can focus ur points there instead

I have yet to have a match where i run out of ammo with the needler.

Il telling u its a wasted point.

[pallid sapphire]

I don't think one extra point for infinite ammo is a wasted point lol

[spice cloud]

Every other class can manage without pickpocket

It is wasted if u are not using desperado.

And just further proves my point that the problem with this class is pickpocket.

Like u complain about lacking variety but refuse to change anything about your build.

Or playstyle

[pallid sapphire]

I mean it's only one point out of the way lol

It's like not taking grenade regen on veteran

[spice cloud]

Nope entirely different.

Its not just puckpocket either its the entire left side u dont need for melee builds.

I dont run pickpocket on rampage or stim crate builds

Its simply unnecessary

[mighty belfry]

you don't need ammo with rampage

if you're relying on your ranged weapon that much as a melee scum that this is something worth considering

you're playing melee scum wrong

It may be one point but that one point could go to other things that will actually help you be even more of a monster in melee

I rarely ever touch ammo pickups even in havoc with rampage

really you don't need pickpocket in general but on an objective level, it is incredibly powerful particularly for ranged builds

I'll give it that.

[pallid sapphire]

idk maybe it's just because I use run'n'gun and if I'm not in melee range of something I'm shooting at it while I'm closing the distance

And sometimes it's better to shoot shit instead of running out to get mowed down by a bunch of reapers/gunners

[mighty belfry]

ya have the one class that can finesse the fuck out of those units

I also don't run needler on melee builds tbh

[pallid sapphire]

I'm not using needler for this melee build either I'm using dual stubs

[mighty belfry]

I mean

I hate to say it

Those are kind of an ammo hog

Because, and I really hate to say it.

They just aren't. Great.

[pallid sapphire]

Yeah of course they aren't great

But if I wanted to go back to my bolt pistol/revolver chud life I would go back to veteran or zealot

[mighty belfry]

tbf

Explodey bolt pistol on this class is lowkey really good.

And really fun.

And I'd even say it's one of melee scum's best options

[spice cloud]

Needler is my go to for melee builds just for crushers.

And its just very ammo efficient.

[light phoenix]

How do you build your dual stubs, may I ask?

[spice cloud]

Run and gun and punishing salvo i think

Is my go to

Flak maniac

[light phoenix]

Thankies

[spice cloud]

Alternatively i also liked the extra strenght on stagger one

[fathom raptor]

Arco-Flagellant class when?

[light phoenix]

I see you have a type~

[light phoenix]

I heard stagger isn't that good on Dual Stubs

[fathom raptor]

they don't feel punchy enough for me

dual autos so much better

[austere coyote]

yeah but you can do the cool spinny thing so >>>>>

[light phoenix]

Hmmm you have a point

Considering Scum can't jerk stimms like everyone else

[wanton dock]

unironically yes,
for me atleast.
I love sniping some sniper on the other end of the map after I do a cool pistolspin.