hivescum-class

[hallow socket]

Unga bunga

[exotic temple]

He has his Ogryn heimer build too but it’s like if there isn’t some broken mechanic he can abuse he kinda seems rubbish

[hallow socket]

Against bosses is a grind

[exotic temple]

And you can bully the shit out of crushers too.

[hallow socket]

There is this mad push node he has.

[near mauve]

he's a self proclaimed cheese builds enjoyer idk why he's trying to talk about balance

[hallow socket]

Has a cooldown though yet it's wild.

[near mauve]

nothing wrong with enjoying cheese

i love cheese

its very cheesy

[hallow socket]

Spam cheese phat good

It works

[exotic temple]

Ogryn also has a lot of skills that boost damage too. He can apply brittleness with pushes and can apply like +85% damage increase

To the whole team

[hallow socket]

Gotta keep remembering the push on builds but when you do it's a lightbulb moment

I'm cooked from stims

[exotic temple]

My favorite single target combo is h1 push attack so I’m usually getting everything brittled

[hallow socket]

Makes a difference

[final temple]

you know you had too many stimms when you dodge around on arb like a prima ballerina

[exotic temple]

Well mainly h1 spam and a push attack to break the monotony

[hallow socket]

Lol monotony is certainly the keyword. Needs more weapons or something.

Most of my classes have twice as many as builds compared to Oggy.

They all do

[exotic temple]

Another mark for all the weapons that only have one mark and fix all the weapons they broke with the hp buff

It’s because they share several weapons and oggy has all unique oggy weapons

[hallow socket]

True

[exotic temple]

They just need to fix what they have with both the weapons and blessings add another mark for shield, gg, power maul and tune up cleavers, twin Stubbs, rippers and shovels and there would be plenty of weapons to choose from

If the cleavers got uncanny boom whole weapon family fixed

[tranquil fjord]

could they add a feature such as scum being able to hold multiple stims

like outcast engineer bardin's bombs

[azure bronze]

608.9k damage on a level 26 build in damnation, hot damn

😅

[lunar lichen]

what does the threat thing mean on one of his talents?

[upbeat gyro]

We need snortable stims as alternative to the current IV ones

[astral canyon]

Basically enemies are less likely to target you instead of teammates

Not worth the points

[upbeat gyro]

It can actively make it harder for your team and for yourself, since you rely on dodging to trigger talents and get ranged immunity with desperado so its good gunners go for you

But, it can mean the inferno psyker/smyker gets more aggro, some like to bully em

[lunar lichen]

gotcha thanks

[lilac ermine]

I was playing with someone here and they were trolling in h40

[astral canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/waow-based-wow-thinking-doodle-gif-12262272166408784207

[lilac ermine]

With infantry lasgun

And devil claw

Sometimes I turn around and they are 1 mile behind shooting from high area with lasgun

[pale night]

recommend a very strong build

[lilac ermine]

Shiv bolt pistol

[brittle sierra]

Rampage

[pale night]

Thank you

[lilac ermine]

How come ppl on readit said that hive scum is weak in every build except box

[limber cradle]

You already know the answer

If reddit users had brains and the ability to think for themselves inside of those brains they wouldn't be on reddit

[astral canyon]

Its reddit

[muted pivot]

You can't shrug off crusher overheads so it's the worst class ever

Or some drivel idk

[lilac ermine]

I was watching someone play hs havoc 40 solo and it seems rlly modded like they do minigames instantly

And they almost died to normal horde by getting hit once then they started running

I wonder if ppl can do solos without mods like that

[exotic temple]

I mean it’s been the same mini games for 3 years so I can understand just skipping them

[lilac ermine]

They were doing archivum sycorax but the levers they have to pull complete instantly no animation

Sycorax isnt really have the long minigames thats why the solos play it

So idk why he needed mod to finish minigame instantly

[exotic temple]

Qol I guess.

[zenith fern]

what minigames

from auspex?

and data interrogators

[lilac ermine]

Lever pull

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_dBKzUSGRM 11:00

[exotic temple]

But I get where you are coming from when you got spidy sense and the visual effects turned off and the radius warnings on bursters it’s kinda like…..

[lilac ermine]

I think he has those to at least spidey sense

Someone taught me you can put poison on captain shields

[vapid jungle]

I enjoy the visuals of this game too much to ruin the immersion with all those extra ui indicators. That being said I could use a vfx slider for stimms.

[exotic temple]

But the fact that the sounds don’t play half the time I feel less bad about spidy sense in particular

[lilac ermine]

So that when the bubble pops then he gets poison damaged

[exotic temple]

[lilac ermine]

Oh they do use the burster circle mods too

And mod that shows all the ammo bags and health kits through walls

[bronze glade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1461399148581490863/371AC71.MP4?ex=697a3b84&is=6978ea04&hm=b55b30bf421e5ce17fad52a9b8e3ce39a6d5e9069dee6ca740983ee36bd84336&

AKSHUALLY

🤓 👆

[lilac ermine]

I thought crushers do corruption dmg also

[bronze glade]

Not outside of havoc at least

[exotic temple]

Isn’t that a final toll thing?

[muted pivot]

General havoc I thought

[woeful hill]

It's a hidden modifier scaling with havoc level

At havoc 40 melee enemies deal 40% of their damage as corruption

[unreal stirrup]

damn they fixed dodge linger

hive scum main in shambles

[manic wolf]

Scum is the least effected, ironically

Infinite, super fast refill dodges go brrr

[lilac ermine]

When

[zenith fern]

today

[lilac ermine]

Oh do they normally post patches on discord i didnt see announcement

[zenith fern]

weirdly they did not pinged this time

[unreal stirrup]

they forgor

[zenith fern]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1361210/view/523114213613243538?l=english

[tranquil fjord]

new patch but no announcement?

[mighty belfry]

I get that it's a hotfix and that's probably why

But they probably should mention this since they fixed the dodge linger thing.

A lot of scum are about to get a very rude awakening.

[limber cradle]

Thank god lmfao

[limber cradle]

Don't, it's funnier like this.

[mighty belfry]

Funnily enough, depending on how you build scum, I'd argue they're probably the class least affected by this because of jittery.

And yet I just know people are gonna start disliking this class again

[limber cradle]

I always take jittery+nimble so

[mighty belfry]

Honestly I wasn't taking jittery. But there's now genuine consideration to do so.

[limber cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-z-dbz-goku-good-bye-bye-gif-5155252

How it feels to dash around ogryn

[mighty belfry]

Because there's no denying that having it will let you be way more aggressive towards ranged units

[mighty belfry]

"Future"

It already happened.

[woeful hill]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2engineer-imposter-it-could-be-you-meme-tf2spy-gif-23428001

[mighty belfry]

Actually the person that did it is in this chat lmao

[woeful hill]

I havent done mine yet since I added an extra challenge on top of it

getting closer though

[mighty belfry]

I believe in you, winner of Darktide

[astral canyon]

I dont :3

[mighty belfry]

Also. Getting to 39 assignment solely at the whims of random of the most part.

I just have one more attempt to get to 40.

It has been

An experience.

[limber cradle]

I respect you more for it fwiw

[mighty belfry]

Bubble knight op honestly

[limber cradle]

Grinding with randoms vs people who know what the fuck is happening is an experience

Yes

Psyker does that

[mighty belfry]

Built a psyker build for goofs

Did not realize I was cooking a full course meal with it.

Because it's gotten me a pretty damn good winrate.

[nova valley]

It's just for fun that I posted this, not pointing fingers

[limber cradle]

Bubble Knight is unironically stupidly good in havoc ime

[mighty belfry]

FGS + explodey bistol with flayer is low-key really good.

[limber cradle]

I personally just try not to play psyker tbqh

[mighty belfry]

I hadn't played the class for like

Several months.

Wanted to play it again but not resort to the boredom of playing meta

Beat h40 on my first game back with it lmao

Psyker still busted

Even when you're going completely offmeta

[limber cradle]

Idk if I'd call Bubble FGS off meta

[mighty belfry]

Literally not a soul uses it in havoc

It's good

But I wouldn't consider it meta at all.

Maybe one day when people actually decide to be creative because psyker can make a fucking q-tip work

It'll be.

[limber cradle]

I wish psyker had a voice i liked

[mighty belfry]

Fem savant is my fav

I like her voice but I don't like how bootlicky she is sometimes.

[limber cradle]

I like the VA work on both savants but they talk about the most asinine shit in the world

I could live with the bootlicking if it wasn't also "hey do you guys like camelid racing?"

"The capital? Magnificent"

[mighty belfry]

Savants are both a little too naive for the setting imho

[mighty belfry]

Na don't worry I get it

I just found it really funny since someone has actually done that.

Yeah the lines just get so out of pocket sometimes

[limber cradle]

Its just so

Talk about anything that matters rn you fuck

I like the actual voice tho

[astral canyon]

I like male seer

[tranquil fjord]

"What's that, beloved? I get to turn her inside-out?"

[limber cradle]

Everytime I hear "no beloved it's not a good dog" it makes me laugh tbh

[bronze glade]

Seer is the best

[sturdy marsh]

I just realized, is there really even a point of putting cdr on the stimm when I run stimm supply? Cuz I'm always using the stimm first and then the crate?

[astral canyon]

Why are you doing that

[sturdy marsh]

To get 2 stacks of chemical dependency. I always have either the stimm or crate available

[astral canyon]

Crate doesnt give the stimm's effects if the stimm is on cooldown

[sturdy marsh]

Ohh okay. That's good to know

The way it's worded made me think as long as you have it equipped at all, it disperses it

[low harbor]

Did that get fixed today I can’t remember

[astral canyon]

Its not supposed to give the stimm's effects

But even then its jank

[low harbor]

So it didn’t get fixed then

[astral canyon]

So i'd say its better to not rely on it

[low harbor]

I’m at least glad they reverted dodge linger

[astral canyon]

I dont think the patch notes mentioned it

[sturdy marsh]

Do if everything is working intended, it won't disperse if stimm is on cooldown?

[low harbor]

Yes

[sturdy marsh]

Okay thanks. I feel dumb now for wasting so many crates lately

[low harbor]

Well it’s bugged to still give effect atm

[supple compass]

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[low harbor]

Needle pistol lol

[astral canyon]

Alternatively

Boom

[supple compass]

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[limber cradle]

Tox dot op

Has what

.9 adm for cara?

[low harbor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[low harbor]

Yez

[supple compass]

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[low harbor]

It’s like

[astral canyon]

Needle pistol is insanely good

[supple compass]

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[low harbor]

Top 3 ranged weapon in the game?

[brittle sierra]

Yeah nobody is trolling u

[limber cradle]

Needle pistol is beyond good that thing is op

[supple compass]

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[sturdy marsh]

Do mods only break for like major content updates? Or will this hotfix break them?

[astral canyon]

I wouldnt use it for a ranged scum build tho

[brittle sierra]

Yes

[low harbor]

Depends on which specific mod

[astral canyon]

Mostly as a sidearm for melee scum setups

[low harbor]

Some mods basically never break

Some mods break every update

Some mods break regardless of update

[brittle sierra]

Max reload desperado build 😈

[supple compass]

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[astral canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/sleeping-cat-gif-2268097779864616291

[low harbor]

Like weapon customization doing really strange things to ur weapons in meat grinder

[sturdy marsh]

I wish the scoreboard mod worked. But it crashes my gave every time I pick up ammo

[low harbor]

And crashing all the time

[low harbor]

I just use powerDI now

It’s more accurate as well

[sturdy marsh]

Thanks I'll give that a try rn

[low harbor]

Even tho a bit on the heavier side

It’s a bit more complicated to set up

Also you cannot delete the first played mission’s record after u set it up

Attempting to do that instantly crashes the game

[sturdy marsh]

That's kinda funny. Any reason why?

[low harbor]

Great question

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[sturdy marsh]

just one of those weird computer things?

[bronze glade]

It does work

Needs like twenty patches

[low harbor]

Setting powerDI up is also a bit more complex

But

[bronze glade]

I use CombatStats and scoreboard

[low harbor]

I’d rather that than getting a bajillion patches for scoreboard

[sturdy marsh]

Was scoreboard just abandoned or what?

[low harbor]

Also powerDI is basically only good for tracking damage dealt, not for everything else

[low harbor]

Yea the mod maker went to make powerDI lol

[low harbor]

It can’t display ammo taken or machinery operated etc

And the weakspot/crit % number is a bit misleading in how it’s calculated

[dim moth]

and it's SO much nicer to look at good lord

[low harbor]

And the damage taken stat counts the damage taken while downed

[bronze glade]

It gets patches from other mod makers

[sturdy marsh]

And what do you mean by harder to set up? It seems kinda straightforward in the mod settings

[dim moth]

and it doesn't fuckin' BREAK when new classes release

[low harbor]

The specific stat you want to track has to be manually set up

[bronze glade]

It needs a bunch of patches from other modders

[dim moth]

yeah but it does also have some decent presets

[low harbor]

As in, if u want to see damage dealt, you need to manually select that preset

[bronze glade]

I hate powerdi still

[low harbor]

Then you might also want to adjust the display column

[sturdy marsh]

Oh I got you

[low harbor]

So it shows elite/specialist/monster damage as subcategories first

[mighty belfry]

I honestly don't think it in itself is too powerful.

[low harbor]

Instead of melee/ranged/condition etc

[mighty belfry]

The real issue.

Is Pickpocket.

[limber cradle]

Tox is ime absolutely bonkers as a DoT

[low harbor]

Pickpocket is bad design straight up

[limber cradle]

I genuinely don't get why they didn't just do Salvaged Munitions

[dim moth]

no the needle pistols is definitely the problem

nobody gives a shit about vet infinite ammo they blame the guns

[mighty belfry]

It is but being solely relegated to a DoT weapon has a really big downside

[dim moth]

but everybody blames the infinite ammo and not the guns on scum

[mighty belfry]

Needle pistol

[dim moth]

yes the needle pistol is overpowered and needs to be nerfed

[mighty belfry]

Is absolutely ass for a lot of specialists

[limber cradle]

Like just 1:1 this would not be anywhere near as insane

[low harbor]

Because shock trooper takes 3 points to reach and forces a stupid 25% ammo reserve tax on a class that has a 22 point standard build template

And only works for las weapons

And needs you to build consistently high crit chance

[limber cradle]

My opinion might change when rot armor isn't the only modifier they spam in havoc

But with rot armor being so prevelant Needler feels absolutely fucking bonkers

[astral canyon]

That sounds more like a rotten armor issue than a needler/chemtoxin issue tbh

[dim moth]

yeah

[mighty belfry]

Yep. In other modifiers, it's definitely strong itself but rotten armor skyrockets its usefulness.

[limber cradle]

Buddy RA is an issue

I am firmly in the camp of RA is a problem lmfao

[astral canyon]

Not saying it isnt

[dim moth]

I liked rotten armor when it was just "CIVI but havoc"

then they made it apply to melee and holy FUCK

[limber cradle]

Rot armor was fine as a melee skill check

Rot Armor now is a loadout check

You all already know this tho

And I am preaching to the choir

[low harbor]

Make rot armor reduce ranged & DOT

And give every enemy x30% warp DR in havoc

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[warm stratus]

hey is there any decent builds for hivescum up yet?

[brittle sierra]

Hivescum probably is the second best class in the game atm

So like pick anything and let em rip

[warm stratus]

oh really? Hrmm.. any suggestions on weapons?

[bronze glade]

Shivs for melee

[brittle sierra]

Melee or Range?

[warm stratus]

ranged

right now I'm still early so just using dual auto pistols

[brittle sierra]

Depends on what you are building

[warm stratus]

tbh I have no idea what I'm building since I don't know what i do yet haha

I've just grabbed up some of the early ranged damage and stuff

[sturdy marsh]

What blessings were best for needle pistol again?

[brittle sierra]

If using Desperado

Best range is:

Vraks 5 IAG, DAP, and Mk 6 Bolt Pistol

For anything else:

Needle Pistol

[brittle sierra]

The important one is Run and Gun

Everything else kinda doesn't matter

I take point blank

[calm aurora]

After Hivescum.

[brittle sierra]

Are you asking the most broken class?

Because it's obvious

Ogryn

[calm aurora]

[brittle sierra]

Dam I wish 😔

I can't lie to y'all about that

[low harbor]

Give ogryn Swift slaying and make them great again

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[brittle sierra]

Ogryns when a specialist spawns:

[calm aurora]

Everytime I have a good ogryn with me he is a fucking hero.

[low harbor]

Rock + GG meta

They should make 2 other versions of GG

[calm aurora]

Rumbler is not meta?

[low harbor]

1 big AOE variant that can’t 1 tap anything below trapper

[brittle sierra]

Gun gryn deez

[low harbor]

Not for special sniping

I don’t think rumbler is that op for melee build

[brittle sierra]

Is grenade really the meta?

[low harbor]

It’s only op on ranged build and ranged build is effectively dogshit at melee

[brittle sierra]

What happened to my Stubbers 😔

[low harbor]

No mixed horde stagger / cleave
No good atk speed
Not enough carapace damage

Everything good about og melee, ranged og doesn’t have

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[brittle sierra]

Ok but what if I just am better?

[exotic temple]

Valuable distraction plus gg falcon punch go brrrrr

[calm aurora]

[warm stratus]

Rock Beat Daemon

[uneven plinth]

everyone knows dual stub pistol crowbar desperado build is the peak of hive scum gameplay

[brittle sierra]

Wrong it's Cleaver

[warm stratus]

soo with the stim stuff whats recommended?

[brittle sierra]

You mean the lab?

[compact oyster]

path

[warm stratus]

yeah

[uneven plinth]

according to some guy who linked another guys build to me the needle gun is good on chem build with shivs

[compact oyster]

ogryn has a rending node for gunlugger

[brittle sierra]

Depends on the build

[compact oyster]

also you can force ranged on ogryn pretty hard using gorgonum and heavy stubber

rippergun is decent too for mixed hordes

[warm stratus]

assume for now desparado or the melee one

[azure bronze]

I ran into some random like level 20 ogryn who carried the day effortlessly lol

[uneven plinth]

@warm stratus this is the build that was told to me https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a077d553-91e8-46ba-98db-89673f567985/porfessional-fent-dealer

[brittle sierra]

CDR and Stamina branch

[uneven plinth]

@warm stratus although people did tell me to swap the booby trap talent for chem fortified

[warm stratus]

so why the grenade and not the rocket launcher?

[brittle sierra]

Unlimited

But you can take whatever you want

[compact oyster]

blackouts are extremely good for toxin and stagger

rockets for massive damage but you need to rely on field improv or grenade packs

[brittle sierra]

Scum struggles into ragers, so CC is useful

Opening Bullwalks is also useful for everyone

[mighty belfry]

I recommend blackouts on melee builds personally

[low harbor]

Do u rly think that’s enough

[sturdy marsh]

I think I've ran into 2 demonhosts that didn't make sound

[uneven plinth]

i have learned to love the stun grenade you generate them by close kills and can save your team or open up bulwarks/crushers

[calm aurora]

Hear me out. Desperadogryn with 2 rippers.

[mighty belfry]

And to clarify

[calm aurora]

We need that

[compact oyster]

heavy stubber can do massive damage with deadly accurate

[mighty belfry]

You honestly don't need pocket toxin for blackouts

The utility they provide is enough if you're doing a ton of damage anyway.

[low harbor]

Do they really

[calm aurora]

Well i did some absurd tox dmg with blackout toxin and lethal prox

[warm stratus]

So is melee or ranged better with hive scum? Cause on one hand running around with dual pistols like it's a john woo movie does sound fun but unsure if practicle

[manic wolf]

Shh, millions must perpetuate the "Ogryn weak" tagline

[mighty belfry]

If you're building for that, go for it.

[calm aurora]

Very good. Very boring. Especially for your teamates

[muted pivot]

what's more fun for you

[compact oyster]

i should slap you.

[muted pivot]

we can make as many builds as we like

[mighty belfry]

But some melee builds can be pressed for talents

[calm aurora]

Tru

[muted pivot]

they're all crazy fun in different ways

[low harbor]

U do realize they got nerfed with scab enemy hp buff right

[muted pivot]

scum is the absolute best imo lol

just maximum fun

[mighty belfry]

It's okay ™

[compact oyster]

bleh

[mighty belfry]

It really isn't crazy

[calm aurora]

I don't think rampage vulture is a thing tho

[manic wolf]

Desperado/Adrenaline, fine, Rampage/Vulture, not so fine

[mighty belfry]

For what ranged ogryn is capable of, melee ogryn can put out while not being a resource hog to an actual detriment.

That's ogryn's big problem rn

[brittle sierra]

It doesn't matter until havocs

[uneven plinth]

in havocs you just run the chem build from my understanding

[manic wolf]

It might be a hot take, but imo Fatshark should move away from this Support/Ranged/Melee tree construction. Its never going to work for every character and is not hugely creative

[low harbor]

Ranged hvs is ridiculously op, melee hvs is basically better zealot, and chemist is top tier support while still having good damage

[brittle sierra]

No I think rampage is the best

Too much damage that eliminates Scum's weaknesses

[mighty belfry]

Unfortunately.

Blight is a thing.

[brittle sierra]

Ok I'll take corruption

[uneven plinth]

oh really rampage build, most people iv seen talking about it were saying chem is standard

[mighty belfry]

That's what's really making Chem build a desired option in havoc rn

And I fucking hate it so much.

[compact oyster]

the box as standard?

[mighty belfry]

I hate Blight

[brittle sierra]

Chem is useful for the team and against blight

[uneven plinth]

yeah mostly for the corruption cleanisng aoe buffs ect

[compact oyster]

hmm

[mighty belfry]

I would rather deal with Rotten than Blight at this point

[manic wolf]

You're playing Havoc Goblin, no fun allowed, only trying to game the shiddy modifiers

[brittle sierra]

It's just that rampage literally lets your one shot everything with no drawbacks

[compact oyster]

id say a good scum can be more effective with desperado and rampage

[low harbor]

Chemist hvs is top 2 support in the game

[compact oyster]

infinite ammo forcing rending and being able to ignore ranged

[brittle sierra]

"support" that kills everything for the team

[compact oyster]

vs an enormous atack speed boost damage boost and other things

[low harbor]

Yea it’s the best support ult after taunt tbh

[manic wolf]

Desperado do be incredibly busted for sure, but with Blight in play, its not dealing with the mission-long problem

One of the few, very few infact, situations where ranged Scum isnt hilariously overpowered

[brittle sierra]

Chem build probably going to be nerfed to the ground tho 😔

[low harbor]

Doubt it

[mighty belfry]

Not Chem build

Pickpocket

[brittle sierra]

When they fix the bug with crate

[mighty belfry]

And maybe an adjustment to toxin adms

[low harbor]

Yea that’s not gonna change it much

[mighty belfry]

You legit don't even need the bug

[calm aurora]

What bug?

[low harbor]

U just stop abusing a glitch that never changed its core function anyway

[brittle sierra]

No but you won't be able to spam the crate for blight

[mighty belfry]

...run a low cooldown crate?

I run 27s on crate

Does just fine.

[manic wolf]

Doesnt the bug hinge on that already?

[brittle sierra]

No

[compact oyster]

just build around the team comp

[manic wolf]

And trust the random Zealot we picked up in the lobby to run corruption aura?

[compact oyster]

yes

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[brittle sierra]

Chem dependency will be basically removed from the game once they fix the bug 😔

[manic wolf]

Lule

[manic wolf]

An then in 6 months to a year, it'll get a powercreep style buff that makes it better than everything else on the class ¬.¬

[low harbor]

why

it's pretty consistent 15% crit chance

[brittle sierra]

Adrenaline exists

[low harbor]

I don't think adrenaline is so significantly better

it's only rly better for hvs's best melee weapon

[compact oyster]

Just run a low duration stim

[brittle sierra]

No but the CDR will be useless 😔

[low harbor]

I mean

that CD rate part is alrdy effectively pointless

unless u play like desperado + dependency

[astral canyon]

I just wish chem dep also gave stimm cdr

[bronze glade]

Would be kinda busted prob

[warm stratus]

So for shiv's what are the best perks?

err blessings

[brittle sierra]

Riposte Uncanny

[dim moth]

flesh tearer uncanny

:)

[uneven plinth]

bonesaw is pretty underwhelming isnt it

[calm aurora]

Yes

[astral canyon]

Whats the desperado bistol build

[mighty belfry]

Weapons with high finesse like Chem dep better tbh

Like shivs or combat knife

[lilac ermine]

I guess they should nerf chem dependency, rampage, shivs, stim gun, dodges

[mighty belfry]

Why Chem dependency

[dim moth]

I disagree personally

scum has fucktons of crit chance already

and crit chance above like 60% isn't a significant upgrade unless you can hit 100

[livid raven]

i mean he is right, weapons with high finesse are better with chem dep

turns out that more crit with better crits is good

[mighty belfry]

It's a pretty significant upgrade if you're finesse maxing tbh

Precog and sweet spot makes Chem dep's damage explode.

[astral canyon]

Oh right because "weakspot damage" is actually just finesse damage right?

[mighty belfry]

Yes and no. Weak spot damage is a part of finesse damage.

Finesse damage as a whole is weakspot + crit damage.

[astral canyon]

Wait so how does sweet spot factor in

[mighty belfry]

So when you stack this, the 45% finesse from precog and higher crit chance, Chem dep starts to sing.

[low harbor]

see my guide

[mighty belfry]

Because it's added to the formula for your final total for finesse damage. And when applied along with extra crit chance, it actually makes a considerable difference.

Especially when you have really big buffs to your melee damage to ramp it up even more.

Like rampage and it's subnode that increases damage over time or strength stimms (particularly with finesse bonus.)

Finesse bonuses when stacked on top of one another like that get absolutely stupid.

I've run rampage with finesse stimm with precog and executor in a havoc 40 recently

Me and a trauma psyker were squaring up on damage numbers but I got more elite kills. In a rotten orange run mind you

Was really fun actually.

[neat delta]

how good is hyper violence

[livid raven]

pretty good

[gaunt onyx]

indeed

[jaunty coral]

what should i run on stub pistols?

[mighty belfry]

You're doing yourself a disservice if you don't run melee build with it

[neat delta]

You sure?

[mighty belfry]

One of the best designed talents in the game imho

[mighty belfry]

Yes.

[neat delta]

even when I have hyper critical cuz I read it doesnt proc on hyper crit kills

[mighty belfry]

While that's true.

Hypercrit will never proc if you do enough crit damage to outright kill something.

[exotic temple]

You can make it work either work. If you want to use the dual stubs you are better off leaning into the shivs in a rampage build and using the dual stubs as your ranged weapon.

[exotic temple]

It if you want to run ranged you can go desp and auto pistols

[neat delta]

Yeah but isn't that what procs it in the first place like if their health is less than two times of critical damage

[mighty belfry]

Yes.

If you do enough crit damage that it will just deplete their health as normal, hypercrit won't proc.

That isn't hard on the class with insanely beefed melee damage.

So you're still consistently gathering overkill even if technically, the two have antisynergy because the antisynergy doesn't really happen in practice unless you aren't doing that much damage to benefit from hyperviolence anyway.

[exotic temple]

I don’t know if it is as much an anti synergy as it is a one way street. Hv helps feed hc but it doesn’t reciprocate.

[manic wolf]

Ngl, I find it very hard to justify running either the other two keystones over Adrenaline, its just value town

[mighty belfry]

By technicality, it is an antisynergy

[manic wolf]

When you're not doing enough damage so HC is proccing, its kinda an anti-synergy, but then if you're getting enough damage to mean it never procs, its just a wasted point. Tbh its kinda a wasted point anywhere outside of a full ranged build where you just need a little bit of melee capability, but i'd even then probably not take it

[mighty belfry]

But the antisynergy is a nothing burger.

It just doesn't really happen in practice enough to downplay the value of having both.

And I recommend it on high crit rampage builds or high damage stimm crate builds because hypercrit is a safety net when you don't have a lot of melee damage.

[manic wolf]

I dont think there is a lot of value in having both because the opportunity cost to take HC on a melee centric build is just god-fucking-awful

[mighty belfry]

I disagree.

It seriously makes a difference with rampage's downtime.

[bronze glade]

Wdym you’re going to be pathing there for swift endurance anyway

[mighty belfry]

Makes it way safer and you're usually taking swift endurance so it's right there.

[manic wolf]

Sure, but thats the only pickup really worth it over there, an you can get better value elsewhere past that

[manic wolf]

So does Adrenaline tho, an thats way more value in downtime

[mighty belfry]

"High crit"

This is assuming you're taking something to max out crit chance

Which would be a Chem dep build.

[manic wolf]

Chem dep poopy, just gonna say it

[mighty belfry]

But the point is that there's actual value in having both.

[manic wolf]

There isnt because the opportunity cost is ass

[mighty belfry]

It's. Not though.

It's one talent away from a talent you'd usually take anyway.

[manic wolf]

Taking Chem Dep, pathing all the way over to the other side to take HC and skipping Adrenaline to do so, is just not worth it

[mighty belfry]

I take Chem dep because it helps high finesse weapons better than Adrenaline for damage output from my personal experience. It's not chosen solely to get hypercrit.

It just happens to synergize well with hypercrit because of the extra crit chance.

[manic wolf]

You're making sacrifices to do it somewhere, you're either skipping toughness perks at the top of the tree, mobility in middle part of the tree (a direct impact to survivability) to do so, or skipping on perks in Adrenaline tree, an none of these sacrifices add up for the payoff

[mighty belfry]

...what build are you running to assume hypercrit is this bad of an opportunity cost?

Like I'm genuinely curious.

I have literally everything I need in my build including hypercrit

[manic wolf]

No build involving Chem Dep

[astral canyon]

hyper crit is usually just a single point investment in melee builds

because youre already taking the talent that gives attack speed per stamina

[bronze glade]

Yup

[mighty belfry]

It's sounding like you may be taking stuff that isn't all that needed if hypercrit is that big of an opportunity cost to you.

[manic wolf]

I could take HC easily with very minimal cost, but thats because im not pathing over to that keystone. If I was, it just doesnt hold value when I would have to give up something in upper or middle tree to do so. Chem Dep just kinda sucks nards because there are so many good skills elsewhere

[mighty belfry]

Chem dep is good though

[keen timber]

depending on if sin uses hypercrit in his build or not

idk if it's needed

scum does so much damage anyway

[mighty belfry]

It's the times you're not doing as much damage where it helps a lot.

Don't get me wrong. It's not necessarily needed either.

[keen timber]

what times are these? when ur dead?

[mighty belfry]

But there's a reason I run this in havoc with shiv rampage. It does help fill in the gap for the loss of damage during rampage downtime.

[astral canyon]

rampage downtime mostly

[low harbor]

it's not required it's just an S++ tier talent that's basically in the same category as skirmisher and exploit weakness for veteran

[mighty belfry]

Do you know what Rampag does when it runs out?

[manic wolf]

Literally on a good melee build the only time HC is going to be proccing is on Maulers, an its still gamba-damage at the end of the day, which makes it inherently less valuable than something thats always on

[mighty belfry]

Ragers.

[keen timber]

0 stam + more damage taken

you lose some attack speed in effect

[manic wolf]

"0 stam" except you just dodged something an now have all your stam back again

[mighty belfry]

And you don't think that a crit basically knocking off a hit to your ttk consistently helps to offset that issue?

[keen timber]

how long do u actually spend like that

not that long

[manic wolf]

I mean, they kinda just die aswell most of the time tbh

[mighty belfry]

Long enough that it can be a problem when you've used up rampage fully and there's still more horde to deal with.

[manic wolf]

An thats why Adrenaline is so goated.

Hope for gamba-damage to do the job or just keep cracking skulls.... Kinda hard to justify the former

[final temple]

what? chem dep does more than just ramp up crit. the TDR node is goated too

[mighty belfry]

Them dying quicker means they don't have a chance to chip through your toughness and hit your health.

This barely matters in Auric

But in Havoc. That one less hit makes a big difference.

[manic wolf]

I am aware, but thats, again, if it procs

Gamba-damage

[mighty belfry]

On the class. That crits a lot.

[manic wolf]

Not "damage"

[mighty belfry]

It's barely a gamble at max Chem dep.

[manic wolf]

Thats not the point, you're still choosing "maybe" over "guaranteed"

[mighty belfry]

Yep. And that "maybe"in practice has worked out better for me than the "guaranteed" you're trying to sell me here.

I've tried adrenaline. There are weapons where it works better but those tend to be the ones that high crit chance doesn't really do much about

Where you wouldn't really take Chem dep anyway.

Like Rashad caxe

Adrenaline all the way

Shivs. I just think that works better.

[manic wolf]

You can still run high-crit weapons at get upwards of 60% crit chance with Adrenaline tho, you're just shoring up more of your resources more consistently

[mighty belfry]

But you now have to run something like Riposte or Shred on your weapon to amass that kind of crit chance consistently.

That's an actual opportunity cost to consider.

[manic wolf]

You can, but you also dont need to run them and can roll about with about 47% on Tac Axe, you're still gonna one shot most things

You just don't have your damage tied to gambling, nor to you commiting to stim use instantly as soon as its off cooldown

[mighty belfry]

Alright. I get that. I still think there's value in Chem Dependency.

Crit chance, TDR and Ability cooldown are pretty good.

And for certain weapons, it does honestly help a lot.

I hope you understand. You can go with whatever you feel like it but, in my experience, I've had better results with Chem Dependency on high finesse weapons. And that also just happens to synergize with hypercrit well.

[low harbor]

just the first two

[mighty belfry]

I do wish it was stimm cooldown.

Missed opportunity on that one.

[low harbor]

it's effectively
3 points to get +15% global crit chance, x85% TDR and replenish 50% of max toughness whenever u stim/crate

it's not a horrible deal

[mighty belfry]

It honestly depends on the weapon

Like if I run heavy sword

I'd rather go adrenaline

Same with rashad

But I will never run Rashad because it bores the fuck out of me

[low harbor]

just do sprint cancel

[mighty belfry]

Still boring.

I just can't vibe with it personally.

It's amazing. I can't deny but

I just don't like it 🤷‍♀️

Moveset just feels really one note even with the tech

[low harbor]

brutally simplistic & simply brutal

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[astral canyon]

what rashad tech

[low harbor]

tap sprint after u finish light atk (usually L3)

it resets combo into L1 and makes u do L1 faster (as opposed to L3 -> L1)

about a 10% dps increase

[trim wind]

Too much work

[tulip magnet]

The way discounts to bundles work is so dumb. If the bundle is 2400 and I spend 900 on 1 item. The bundle drops by 700

That's basically guaranteeing I commit to not ever going back to buy the rest

If it took 900 off, maybe I eventually want the other 2 pieces. But now I'm just gonna double down so I don't feel scammed

[jaunty coral]

how do you build the stub pistols

as a sidearm for melee

[bronze glade]

best not to 👍

[low harbor]

collat dump
maniac, flak, run&gun, sustained fire

it's a pretty mediocre gun

style over substance

[bronze glade]

i want to like it

[low harbor]

breakpoints unfortunately horrible and accuracy at range is RNG outside of spin shots

[bronze glade]

but it's honestly just bad

[main trellis]

Mobility dump
Maniac & Flak
Run & Gun always, sustained/desperado depending on build

[low harbor]

I don't think it's bad

[main trellis]

R&G + Sticky is quite potent tho

[low harbor]

but it could be better

[low harbor]

usually I'd grab IYF over sticky hands

[bronze glade]

typically a 2 shot gun

with rng accuracy

and 14 round mag?

and shit reload?

yeah i hate it

[low harbor]

sticky hands is not bad but for the ranges where u use a melee backup for, that accuracy bonus doesn't matter that much

also collat does like nothing for this gun again lol

[main trellis]

Without sticky your acc is oof at medium especially when you move - R&G is not enough

[low harbor]

the only shots that actually do stagger for this gun

are the spin shots

and collat doesn't change any of them afaik

[bronze glade]

i hate how run and gun and sticky both are needed for the gun to not feel like dogshit

[low harbor]

it's actually not that bad

unless ur midrange is 30m+

[main trellis]

Until you wanna kill some enemies far away or are on a move cause you have some big bois on you but that sniper really pesters you

Or Emperor forbid… a flamer/bomber

[low harbor]

it's not that bad accuracy

[main trellis]

Does the stubs have any crit chance?

Apart from 5%

from the modifiers?

[low harbor]

+5% for reg
+20% for spin

spin also has really high dCW

[astral canyon]

dayum

[low harbor]

can reach crit 1 taps on gunner/flamer even for havoc scaling if u take IYF

[main trellis]

Up to 80% crit on regular & 100% on spin

[astral canyon]

iyf?

[low harbor]

in your face

[astral canyon]

oh right

[low harbor]

u just gotta believe in the crit RNG

[astral canyon]

fuckass video doesnt want to play

[low harbor]

this is the most gambling gun in the game

[main trellis]

Attach a dice trinket to it

[low harbor]

gamble well and u do this (I had no idea where the sniper actually was)

[astral canyon]

alright you managed to sell these to me with one word

https://tenor.com/view/gamba-xqc-gambling-addict-777-gif-25803752

[low harbor]

also dual stubs are suppression immune

pretty nice

[astral canyon]

neat

[low harbor]

and yea IYF is quite a big boost to its dmg potential

enough that I think it's better than sticky hands for the most common use cases of the thing

which is shooting at trapper/flamer up to ~20m away

[astral canyon]

isnt the special pinpoint accurate anyways

[low harbor]

yes

so sticky doesn't do much for that atk

the swap speed is nice

[astral canyon]

also iirc dual stubs doesnt have built in run n gun like dautos right?

[low harbor]

noe

[jaunty coral]

ok, i just slapped crucian roulette and sustained fire on it just trying it, was, ok at best, ill try those blessings ty

[astral canyon]

weird

tbh i think all the pistol-type weapons should have run n gun built in

[low harbor]

u do 800 more dmg on crit weakspot compared to just weakspot

for the spin shot

bonkers increase

it's like the gun has built-in deadly accurate lol

[dim moth]

spin shot also has 15% increased crit chance

[low harbor]

20%

[dim moth]

fuckin'

you and your numbers

[astral canyon]

lol

its +15% compared to default shots

but overall +20%

[jaunty coral]

anyone have an 'ideal' crit rampage shiv tree? i have tried a few things and curious if im doing anything wrong

[flat snow]

alright so the Arbies go hard. is the hive scum just as hard it worht it

[high gull]

It's great if you have spacial awareness and know how to dodge

Arbities is just turn your brain off and mash

[tulip magnet]

Arbites is paladin, scum is rogue

[zenith fern]

Both are equally as hard

But scum might be more to an extent, that is until there are nerfs coming

[high gull]

Calling arbities hard is wild

[tulip magnet]

idk how it is after the skill shuffling but the only hard part of scum was levelling

[high gull]

@low harbor Aye

[mighty belfry]

Arbites got more raw survivability. Scum requires more finesse to your play but the heights of their power are astronomical.

[high gull]

Where's the scum rpg builds

All these shits are launch scum builds

[low harbor]

take rocket
take +1 blitz capacity

done

[tulip magnet]

scum needs more attentiveness to survive than arbi, essentially

[zealous ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/rain-world-watcher-morgan-freeman-true-let's-have-a-watch-gif-12470968642107771982

[light phoenix]

Is it just me that I like the Boxcutter shiv light combos?

[zealous ravine]

i thought i wouldnt like boxcutters at all but when i gave them a shot i found out they do ahve a single target combo and started liking em more than default lol

[light phoenix]

It's the pa heavy, right?

[zealous ravine]

i think so yea

[dim moth]

yeah

or just spam lights with coated weaponry+special xd

since it has faster light attacks

[mighty belfry]

It is almost time for the moment of truth. Will this be my last run before getting to assignment 40 or will I get bounced back to 38?

[exotic temple]

It’s kinda like goblin says it depends on weapon and build. I don’t think it brings anything to like caxe or chaxe but rampage chem dep builds it seems to get better ttk on certain enemies and with horde clears.

I used both with shivs and bonesaw and I’m getting better numbers but most other builds the juice isn’t worth the squeeze

[mighty belfry]

This class honestly has nuances to consider with weapon choices and how your tree relates to those.

And I do like that.

[exotic temple]

It does but I kinda wish they would have released the class later and cooked on the tree a little more

I like their directions but there are some head scratchers in there

It just seemed like it was getting close to winter break and they rushed it.

[mighty belfry]

It's probably gonna get a rework in the near future.

Chem dependency not working on stimm CDR is just a weird one to me.

[exotic temple]

Well it’s kind of working if you exploit the bug. When/if that gets fixed then yeah it’s train wreck

[mighty belfry]

Also pickpocket not being keystone specific node or having a cooldown is also just

One of the choices of All Time ™

[exotic temple]

I don’t think they thought that through. It probably didn’t seem like a big issue during play tests but note that it’s out in the community people are abusing it

[mighty belfry]

I mean I get it. I use it on my Blight specific build

I really don't like that I do that though.

But that modifier fucking sucks and sample collector do be helping get the crates as fast as I can so.

[exotic temple]

Yeah I have my crate build I try hard with but I have trying more right side focused builds and I think they are more fun and thematic but they need something to compete with 3 s tier talents that are so easily accessible.

[sturdy marsh]

Is it worth it to put shred on the taxe with a stimm supply build? So I can get more crits to get more cdr? Or is the taxe have enough crit chance already?

[mighty belfry]

Are you talking about using coated weaponry to proc toxin kills?

[prime cape]

i he think he does, but let the homie answer cuz im not 100% sure

[spark gyro]

Likely

On taxe I actually like using headtaker and shred, but I also don't play The Stuff™ and my spiciest nights are on maelstrom

[sturdy marsh]

I can't remember the name of the skill. But the one where killing a posion enemy gives 2% skill cool down

And the one where crits poison enemies

[spark gyro]

It's worth noting that the poison doesn't apply to the enemy if you kill it, so you can accidentally deal too much damage and just get the standard 1%

On the other hand, brutal momentum could help the cleave and poison the other targets

[sturdy marsh]

That's what I normally run too

[mighty belfry]

yep

so i was right

so technically, that would help

but tac axe does already have pretty good crit as is

and

[spark gyro]

If you're running chem dependency, you can already get a fairly nice crit between the taxe's innate crit and the keystone

[indigo sedge]

Use this against a enemy that literate

[spark gyro]

If you're playing adrenaline and want the toxin, I see a case for shred

[mighty belfry]

it was hamdolsun. i was trying to remember who mentioned this

[spark gyro]

Cursed knowledge

[mighty belfry]

sample collector seems to be bugged where it has to be the toxin itself that gets the kill

[spark gyro]

Uninstalled from my build

[mighty belfry]

not that the enemy can just be inflicted with toxin when you kill them

[spark gyro]

Look ma, new free talent point

[sturdy marsh]

Okay cool. Thanks

[mighty belfry]

so coated weaponry unfortunately

doesn't really help that much for sample collector

[sturdy marsh]

That's lame

Still get the 1% tho I guess

I'm running needle pistol too, so I think it's worth keeping for me anyway.

[mighty belfry]

yeah mk2 special with sample collector goes hard

[dim moth]

bonesaw the sample collector goat

[sturdy marsh]

I was running that the other day with attack speed in the stimm. It's fun

[mighty belfry]

i find it amusing that psyker has an inverse thing going on with soulblaze and how the talents relate to it lmao

where it'll say something has to be killed by soulblaze to proc

but you simply have to kill thing, while inflicted by soulblaze for the benefits

[sturdy marsh]

I saw someone mention a desperado build with the bolt pistol? That sounds cool af

[mighty belfry]

Explodey bistol on desperado is lowkey amazing actually

[dim moth]

imagine they copied the code and an unrelated bug makes soulblaze work that way

and it just only works correctly on scum

[sturdy marsh]

What blessings? Puncture/ lethal proximity?

[mighty belfry]

Usually

BUT

There's an argument to not have puncture surprisingly

[sturdy marsh]

I always thought puncture was a bolt weapon must

What else would you use? Run and gun or something

[mighty belfry]

Run n' Gun's pretty good

[sturdy marsh]

Why no puncture?

[mighty belfry]

Run n' Gun lets you keep good momentum with Desperado.

[drifting heron]

Scum can afford to double tap

[mighty belfry]

Execution is also a good choice.

[bronze glade]

execution lethal prox is what i run

on explodey bistol

[mighty belfry]

And particularly synergizes with toxin blackous.

[sturdy marsh]

I'll try execution next

[mighty belfry]

Really it just comes down to what you're running.

If you're not running ranged build, lethal prox and puncture are the ideal bet. If ranged, puncture isn't as necessary.

[uneven plinth]

oh i see how it is, i say i hate the dual stubs and i get someone calling me a OP chasing bootlicker, you guys dont like stub pistols and i agree with you completely

[mighty belfry]

who did that

[sturdy marsh]

Do you have your bistol desperado build I could use? Like the talents?

[mighty belfry]

I haven't made a build out of it on gameslantern

uh

hmm

[rough peak]

iirc I have one from someone else, gimme a min to find it

Here it is
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a07a1191-d386-4a2b-8511-26c27b84718e/professional-vicodin-dealer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[sturdy marsh]

No worries I've been using my regular desperado build, I just didn't know if I needed to do anything differently

[sturdy marsh]

Thanks

[ripe seal]

i did like running the mk6 bolter on a regular desperado build, just spamming big CC with still fair damage on bigger targets

[rough peak]

I haven't gotten a chance to try it out, yet, so idk how it is

[sturdy marsh]

Yeah that's the one downside I've noticed, and it might be my build. But crushers take a while to kill with the mk 6

[ripe seal]

i'm honestly not sure how the AOE really interacts with stuff like the toughness regen on ranged kill or the bonus rending but it felt fun to spam it and bully elites

you do lose out a bit on damage against crushers but crushers always feel like a pain in the ass with non dedicated anti heavy stuff

[rough peak]

the bolt pistol isn't really made for crushers, even tho it does roughly the same damage per shot as the boltgun against them

the hp pool of crushers getting buffed made ranged weapons against crushers even more wasteful x.x

[ripe seal]

but at least you make up for it with stagger and spam. if you're in a bit of a mix horde the chaff should be maintaining the duration of desperado enough to keep spamming and wearing them down with the extra rending and building ranged daamge

[sturdy marsh]

Yeah I've used the bolt gun a lot. But the bolt pistol not very much

[rough peak]

1st shot is pinpoint accuracy afaik on the bolt pistol

after that you gotta let the recoil reset

or gl hitting something else

[sturdy marsh]

I do wish that scum got the bolt gun

[ripe seal]

i absolutely hated the main bolt gun until I finally swapped it to the variant that acts like the mk6 bolt pistol, and even then i'd want it with a swap speed talent

[rough peak]

Boltgun on scum would be busted

[sturdy marsh]

Desperado bolt gun would be crazy

[rough peak]

up to 36 shots in a row? Rip elite spam

[sturdy marsh]

I understand why they didn't give it to us, but I can still dream

[ripe seal]

i'd have been happy with any las gun besides the helbores

[sturdy marsh]

Recon scum would be sick

[rough peak]

I can see it now... fatshark, having put up with enough zealot chat trolling/tomfoolery, will give the melta gun solely to the hive scum out of spite against vets and zealots

[ripe seal]

the light infantry las gun with an auto clicker would hit like crack

[rough peak]

I would both cry and laugh at it, if it happened

[sturdy marsh]

My zealot half would be bummed

[rough peak]

I would be so annoyed as a zealot main, but, also rolling on the floor laughing at how stupid it would be

[tranquil berry]

Multi-melta for oggy

[ripe seal]

the dual stubs feel so much better with run and gun on them, its baffering that dual autos get it but not the stubs. at least give it sprint and reloading to make up for it or something

[low harbor]

they both get access to run&gun

[rough peak]

Know what'd be funny to me? If the boltgun got run and gun added to it

[ripe seal]

they do but the autos can do it innately, the blessing just adds the damage and spread bonus

[rough peak]

Me picturing a zealot sprinting full throttle at heretics shooting a boltgun is hilarious to me

Tho, I'm not sure how feasible it would be to sprint and shoot a boltgun as a human sized character...

and have any sort of accuracy, that is

[ripe seal]

it would be as an adeptus with built in shock absorbers

[rough peak]

Being able to run and shoot the boltgun in the boltgun game is funny to me

Then again, that's a space marine... not a human

[ripe seal]

i know it'd probably be really bad to take it over any of the blessings that buffs strength but i'm almost tempted to see how dual stubs are like with terrifying barrage

[rough peak]

Terrifying barrage just sucks as a blessing x.x

[ripe seal]

vulture's push does what terrifying barrage wishes it could

[uneven plinth]

what u slap on the bonesword im trying to make it feel less bad to level

[ripe seal]

bonesaw you mean?

[uneven plinth]

yeah the bonersaw weapon with the slime or purple slime

i assume wrath and shred? with flak/maniac? or maybe unyielding flak

[hallow socket]

Blinder on melee even without pocket toxin?

[drifting heron]

Shock and awe is better than wrath

[ripe seal]

shock and awe with relentless or decimator depending on what you want, just remember to go light heavy spamming for hordes

[uneven plinth]

oh i see dang i was completely wrong

[ripe seal]

i'm not sure what to for perks besides something safe like flak maniac, though I always enjoy throwing in crit chance

[hallow socket]

Or big Boomer

?

[uneven plinth]

so you kinda build it like a tac axe

il toss in unyielding and crit chance for the raw thrill

chem toxin for general use brittle for big bois?

[drifting heron]

Ideally

In actuality you use green for both because the swap is slow as shit

[mighty belfry]

pocket toxin isn't all that necessary if you do a ton of damage anyway

[ripe seal]

i pretty much just stays on poison to build that up on big targets on top of my normal hits

[limber cradle]

Pocket toxin is more for fun than results ime

Its good fun tho

[drifting heron]

It cleans up around the bulwark I want dead

[hallow socket]

I find too many times of not having any grenade packs around to use anything.

[ripe seal]

pocket tox always feels like too little for how often you can get it, even on the blinders

[hallow socket]

The whole Regen thing

[limber cradle]

So do these bits of rusty pipe tbf

[drifting heron]

Without my attention

[rough peak]

It's sad that even vulture's push is better than terrifying barrage...

[drifting heron]

And you can fudge a chem grenade with 2 toxic blinders

[rough peak]

3m of range on vulture's push... and it beats terrifying barrage by leagues

[drifting heron]

Terrifying is better though right

[ripe seal]

anything that can tank a rocket isn't caring about 3 stacks of poison, the chem nade should pretty much already already apply enough poison, and while blinders regen I feel like their radius is just too small

[rough peak]

It has more range... that's about the only thing it has on vulture's push

[hallow socket]

Would you run chem nades without potent toxin?

[ripe seal]

i think terifying technically has a much bigger radius of where it effects but push is a stun which is just way better

[drifting heron]

Push staggers nothing

Its so bad even Kuli shit talks it

[rough peak]

and not all enemies can be suppressed

rip

[rough peak]

That's how it's bad that I can say it's still better than terrifying barrage...

[ripe seal]

i don't really know how much the buffs to tox helps the chem nades but free damage is free damage, and the chem nades do also have the effect of enemies exploding on death and also ignoring part of their hit mass

[rough peak]

afaik you don't want pocket toxin with chem nades

[hallow socket]

Minus pocket toxin and potent toxin I meant

[rough peak]

potent toxin is free extra damage on chem toxin

[hallow socket]

Yeah but would you use the chem grenade without it?

[rough peak]

I don't even think about that node, tho, since I only go this route for extra pouches and sample collector

[ripe seal]

as far as i'm aware the nades just max out the amount of toxin it applies right away without it, I don't know how much the 10% extra tox strength really is or all the other benefits like toughness regen or reduced damage, but I feel like the nades bring enough to be worth taking on their own

[rough peak]

You can, idk how recommended it is to use chem nades with or without it tho

[hallow socket]

Kk

[rough peak]

I don't ever really think about the more toxin node, myself. The blitz charge and stim cdr is the reason I take that path x.x

[hallow socket]

Best Blitz?

[rough peak]

It depends™

[main wagon]

All 3 are awesome for Scum

[hallow socket]

Lol thought the same

[main wagon]

Very strong

[rough peak]

I only take blinders if I have pocket toxin, myself... otherwise I'll just take the rockets

I love the rockets

Getting damage added to blinders is really nice

[main wagon]

Kinda all fill a different niche for your build.

Either CC (blinders)

area denial for obj/chokes (soup)

or just saying fuck off to clumped up groups of carapace or a single sniper who deserves it (rocket)

Hilariously it rips through snipers and keeps going

[rough peak]

Or the daemonhost the rando aggros that you say "fuck it" and pop your stim for murdicating it... cuz fuck daemonhosts(rockets, bad use for rockets but very satisfying to me)

I somehow aggroed a daemonhost on heresy for the 1st time by accident in god knows how long... rockets saved me unironically

[main wagon]

It’s so funny how I play Scum differently in one particular way versus other classes

I typically run tknives, rock, assail, and dog bomb so I basically never need grenade pickups

I hold onto my rockets like there’s going to be helicopters during the finale

[rough peak]

Technically speaking on arby you can run either other blitz with lone wolf, since it gives blitz regen

[main wagon]

Unless there’s a definitive “oh shit these pugs are about to die” sized group of carapace I just hoard my rockets

[main wagon]

Yeah but lone wolf is icky because I gotta leave my friend at home

[rough peak]

When I see a wall of shields I ask myself: "Do you really want to fuck with that?" The answer? Fuck you bulwarks rockets them

[main wagon]

Dog pouncing into a group of gunners and then detonating is some good dopamine

[rough peak]

Having arby nades for giving yourself free space to pull out the boltgun is really handy... and lone wolf's extra damage helps with breakpoints on the boltgun(or at least it did back before scab hp got buffed)

Sure dogxplosion does it as well, but, the dog has to be near you for it to work... arby nades? Throw it at your feet and boom, space

Also you ignite every barrel in 30 miles x.x

Shock mine work as well, but, it isn't as instant of free space

[uneven plinth]

using shock and awe with decimator did make bonesaw feel better to use

perhaps i should swap unyielding with something spicy like unarmored

[bronze glade]

shock and awe is mandatory yeah

[drifting heron]

Shock and awe is super good on scum

[uneven plinth]

interesting a quick google search stated that purple toxin increases your dmg modifier vs armor for the base dmg of the weapon

[rough peak]

Shock and awe on bonesaw is god tier

[drifting heron]

Shock and awe is incredible irregardless

[rough peak]

Shock and awe on combat blade when?

[main wagon]

I can def see that. I typically use the Mk8 exe so if I need something even the backline to die I just point roughly in its direction and suddenly there’s a buckshot shaped hole in the horde

[rough peak]

Did they fix the crosshair jarring off slightly every time you used rmb on the executioner shotguns, yet?

[bronze glade]

it applies brittleness specifically

[main wagon]

Stinks having inconsistent one shots but the shotgun is so meaty and I’m pretty conservative with ammo so I seldom run out

[main wagon]

Tbh I’d have to check

I mean it feels like it doesn’t really move

[rough peak]

I haven't played arby since... in a long time. Hive scum is way more fun to me than arby was

[main wagon]

It’s more me spamming dodges in between shots that causes whiffs

Yeah I really enjoyed Arby but Scum has been an absolute blast

[rough peak]

It at least used to slightly move your crosshair every time you ads'ed it

[main wagon]

Took a lil bit to craft an ethical DB setup so that I can be effective while also giving other people a chance to play the game

DAP’s are just too oppressive for the other humans to be consistently having fun playing with you

At least with DB they have a chance to shoot elites and specials while I reload, and drawing a line across the screen doesn’t just delete the entire horde in 3s

[rough peak]

You haven't seen my aim(which is good, except for when it fails... cause when it fails... I can miss the broad side of a barn at point blank with a shotgun)

I just have so much darktide experience that my ability to aim the guns I use has gotten to the point it is good, instead of weirdly inbetween bad and good

[main wagon]

I can play mercifully when I’m playing with new people who I know need a battle buddy, but with pugs I try to take the world on my shoulders

[rough peak]

What's funny is I'm better at sniping consistently with the autopistol than I am with the combat shotgun

Even without dance of death from zealot

[main wagon]

Lmao that’s awesome

I struggle to gimp myself without intentionally ignoring targets so I just have to slow myself down in ways

[rough peak]

I've used the autopistol SO many times on zealot that I know how to use it both for toughness generation and killing without running out of ammo x.x

[main wagon]

If it means taking more CC instead of damage I’m usually okay with it

[rough peak]

dance of death makes the autopistol able to snipe so well that I just like having it

[main wagon]

Showed a newbie friend of mine a psyker build I got from a crazy Latina that used to be in here

[rough peak]

It's not like you don't dodge on zealot(any class tbh)

[main wagon]

FGS/Recon with SG/DD

But it ran smite instead of assail

He was used to the average smite player so first (natural) reaction was

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-monkey-puppet-meme-awkward-gif-15268759

I used smite once the entire mission and went “so yeah basically that’s ethical smiting”

But if I had taken assail, any time a ranged enemy even breathed in my direction I’d have wiped them and their squad out instantly

If the homies didn’t catch up in time I’d just kinda feel like a kill hog

They really love sniffing every last inch for small plasteel/dia while the director sends angry mobs at us

[rough peak]

I didn't notice the psyker was a lower leveled player until I wasted 0.5 seconds looking at their name when they got downed halfway through the mission

All things considered... they outperformed the general brunt of randos I've played with

Weirdly most of the randos I've gotten while playing hivescum have been at the very least bad/mediocre. Which is odd, cause normally malice/heresy randos are terrible... and even when playing those difficulties they've been at least bad :\

Like... the getting downed rate was like 1/10th of what it normally was when I played heresy or malice

I'm so used to the whole team folding on heresy in like 2 seconds when any level of opposition is given by the enemies

That's what happened when I was leveling my arby x.x

[sturdy linden]

Heresy hell

[wanton dock]

Yeah I recently tipped my toes into Damnation and was surprised that somehow the games go smoother than heresy. The pickpocket ammo is also more consistent

[sturdy linden]

1 more experience of it will come, when FS releases the new class they mentioned in their blog post for the year

[sturdy linden]

Auric is actually the best experience

[woeful hill]

Damn/auric is the intended experience. So yeah pickpocket would perform better there

[main wagon]

My newbiest buddy is starting to experience being the last alive when he's playing solo with pubs

Im like

https://tenor.com/view/yes-nodding-gif-18955029

[winter tusk]

Halfsword early access in 2 days

[main wagon]

He goes "how am I alive I'm fuckin dogshit"

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/adventure-time-jake-excited-happy-omg-gif-5314745

[main wagon]

NOICE

I feel like I've spent like 50k melkbux and still no 17% toughness curio for my scum, never in Brunt shop either

16 real +3 Stams
4 damn 21% Healths

My autistic 1% obesefish pls

Im gonna be like Santa Scum if they ever allow us to just trade on the Mourningstar

[livid raven]

absolutely destroyed

not enough melkmaxxing

[main wagon]

Not for nothing it does get me to play my other chars

But shiiiiit dawg have MERCY

[wise flint]

I got an 18% toughness curio on my ogryn once, but I scrapped it because I don't like playing ogryn and I needed diamantine

[flat mist]

im still grinding for my 18% toughness curios

3 years and counting

[main wagon]

Had a +2 Wound curio once but I deleted the character 🚬

[obsidian ibex]

can yall explain how addreniline frenzy works

[fierce aurora]

Today is a daily reminder.

It is the day of Wednes.

And water cartel is still #1.

[obsidian ibex]

indeed

[acoustic viper]

In simple terms, if you hit enemies enough you’ll get a boost to attack speed and melee damage for ten seconds

[obsidian ibex]

okay but why can i proc it while adreniline is still active

[acoustic viper]

You can technically keep it going if you keep hitting stuff, it won’t make you reset

[obsidian ibex]

nice

thanks

[manic wolf]

Same, its like they don't exist, or something

[dire badge]

I have bongo cat open while playing darktide and it turns out while playing this class with a melee build in havoc, I'm pressing 4000 keys roughly every half hour. Including mouse clicks.

[flat mist]

i think just really rare

keep grinding

[upbeat gyro]

Got idea to balance hivescum bazooka, add self damage, so you cant just shoot at your own feet when situation gets tough

[sacred estuary]

What is a hive scum's favorite show to watch?

[austere coyote]

okay I'm finally trying the crowbar and what's it for

why should I use it

[upbeat gyro]

Purely for aesthethics and smacks, ingame value is nonexistant

[upbeat gyro]

Since i named mine SuperHans, guess

[rough peak]

Funny thing is that I only had to do that like... one time while leveling my hive scum character >.>'

[austere coyote]

what's the special do on crowbar

just ap and stagger?

[rough peak]

Damage armor better, and applies can opener if you have that blessing on it

[pallid quail]

i love it cus it means the scum dies

[upbeat gyro]

But also, it would atleast feel both risky and powerful, instead of just momentary instawin

[exotic temple]

Heresy is harder than damnation and you can’t convince me otherwise