hivescum-class

[woeful hill]

https://tenor.com/view/case-oh-caseoh-flash-bang-gif-14288249271888208717

[spice cloud]

Actual physical damage.

[austere coyote]

hey what the fuck

reshade?

[woeful hill]

No visual mods

Low settings default brightness

I guess when using exstance with fire in a gas bomb it just lights up

[austere coyote]

it genuinely looks like your GPU is dying

[frigid wyvern]

fucking hell pick pocket is stupid good

heck what is ammo

[spice cloud]

It seems you found the forbidden treasure

Yeah its pretty busted

[timid seal]

https://tenor.com/view/mgs2-solid-snake-metal-gear-solid2-metal-gear-solid-mgs-gif-27578347

[frigid wyvern]

i've known about it for some time just didn't wanna use it

[timid seal]

makes me so sad scum cant get Boltguns. that shit would be just pure comedy on gunslinger

[spice cloud]

It is very broken indeed

[timid seal]

(and would give you a reason to focus reload speed)

[frigid wyvern]

and its fine the way it is for all you nay sayers out there

[spice cloud]

That would be broken af

Imagine aoe spearhead

I allready did it woth bistol qnd it was stupid allready

[timid seal]

....people naysay it? bruh it's like 10 or 20% ammo cap. that's like two dual auto reloads. and it only goes off when YOU kill a special. if you have a high speed death machine you aint refillin shite.

it DOES have downsides which kinda balance it. with some bad luck you can still be staring at that nice pretty red ZERO on your screen

[spice cloud]

It literally has bo downsides.

Theres an endless supply of elites and specials to kill

If you cant kill a special with 3 mags thats a skill issue

[frigid wyvern]

i use the dual auto pistols and i will admit i have run out more than once

[spice cloud]

Besides even IF u manage to run out of ammo desperado will still refill it on activation.

[timid seal]

get your eyes checked, go back to second grade, and re-read what I said about the irony of having really good teammates rare though it is.

[spice cloud]

Why u so spicy?

[timid seal]

and desperado refills it sure, but I've had a few hilarious moments where the ogryn just goes "WOO! FRAG BOMB!" and uh, yeah it just runs out and you dont keep the bullets.

[spice cloud]

What diff u on?

[timid seal]

it's a good problem to have if your enemies are all dead.

4 or 5. depends on the mood.

[spice cloud]

I see

Well atleast in aurics and havocs i never have that issue

Cause there is an endless stream of elites and specials.

[drifting heron]

If someone else is killing everything then you don't need the refill

[timid seal]

like I said, good problem to have. either you get ammo back or the problem's solved and you just go looking for some on the floor. still comes in serious clutch on those maelstrom maps where there's no ammo to be found for sure.

it's too bad ammo refilled with pickpocket Doesn't refill ammo through the Aura. your teammates would Love you and it'd be good synergy to bring a few shotguns or boltguns along on the squaddies.

[limber cradle]

I feel like saying pickpocket is balanced is some form of self report.

[drifting heron]

That would just be ridiculously broken

Survivalist on crack

Or more accurately

[compact oyster]

Change pickpocket to melee kills

[drifting heron]

Old survivalist

[drifting heron]

Change pickpocket to a live grenade in your hand

[timid seal]

I dunno about saying it's "Broken" considering survivalist doesn't even give you all that much per kill. wooo, couple bullets. not really life changing. but having a extra shot or two for a bolter or shotgun? that would be pretty nice for popping an extra Special or two.

[drifting heron]

Just have it kill you

[spice cloud]

I feel like it will be necessary cause right now NOTHING is stopping me from just holding down m1 for literally the entire match.

[drifting heron]

2% ammo per elite kill or so

[timid seal]

so deadass when scum first released I actually thought you had to melee kill things same as your throwing knives. it made sense.

[drifting heron]

One shotgunner pack

[timid seal]

I was foiled by "Nah, you're thinking too logically."

[drifting heron]

20% max ammo for full team

[timid seal]

eh good point

[compact oyster]

It would line up with bounty hunter saltz

[timid seal]

it really would. I'd be ok with that change.

[drifting heron]

Bh saltz was proto weapon spec

True infinite ammo

Confirm crits for 1 kill

[spice cloud]

I dont think it would be too impactfull either to make it melee only.

[drifting heron]

Yeah

[spice cloud]

Just means i have to stop shooting for a few seconds until i melee a special

[compact oyster]

Just bring down pickpocket to 10-5% with melee kills

[spice cloud]

But atleast i have to stop at all

[drifting heron]

It would be a slight speedbump

[frigid wyvern]

pick pocket is fine the way it is

[spice cloud]

Sadly no

[drifting heron]

But desperado makes you really fast so you could just rush stuff down

[drifting heron]

no

[spice cloud]

Its just too good rn

[drifting heron]

Infinite ammo for playing the game

[spice cloud]

It needs some form of cd or change

[frigid wyvern]

opinions invaild

[drifting heron]

Yippee

Yahoo

[fast surge]

Man is on more crack than hivescum

[spice cloud]

I know shooting is fun but it stops being funny after a while

Especially if you wanna melee for a change

[drifting heron]

Desperado is fun for like 4 matches when you get it then maybe 1 match a session for novelty

Or when you're helping someone level

[limber cradle]

Agreed tbh

[drifting heron]

Its really funny in like malice

[limber cradle]

It was really cool when scum first dropped

[frigid wyvern]

opinions are invalid and if you dont like what i have to say well CRY ME A RIVER

[drifting heron]

When you've got a friend to carry and want to obliterate the game

Did that myself recently and got the vaunted 0 melee damage game

[limber cradle]

Desp Scum when I want to invalidate an entire auric maelstrom

[compact oyster]

Desperado already gives you infinite ammo and you can use sample collector CDR stimm lab

[spice cloud]

Its just not fun to play woth a flame psyker and despo scum in your team is all im saying

[limber cradle]

Nah I completely agree

[spice cloud]

Cause i might aswell be nonexistent

[drifting heron]

Luckily you can Just Leave

[frigid wyvern]

here come the nay sayers

[spice cloud]

I can but i also kinda wanna play the game

[limber cradle]

If you think desp scum is balanced idk man

Maybe when you suck eggs

But like

[fast surge]

2/10 ragebait you got a reply atleast

[limber cradle]

I feel like anyone with a conceptual basis of "look in direction and hold w+m1" can use it

[limber cradle]

Nah they're unironically like this

I've seen them in genchat

[spice cloud]

Its really braindead easy

[limber cradle]

Idk why I'm bothering tho

[spice cloud]

Even easyer then psyker

[drifting heron]

Ehhh

Psyker has more regen

[spice cloud]

In my personal opinion

[drifting heron]

And you don't have to aim

[limber cradle]

Probably because I can't find a mordhau match and im bored

[drifting heron]

My aim sucks ass and its kinda hard for me to hit trash at point blank

[spice cloud]

Psyker still needs a lil positionong and stuff atleast.

But thats just my cup of tea

Gun scum you just vultures push dodge and despi

Its so braindead

[timid seal]

says you. that's my main build right now. murder ALL the things is half the fun of the @#$@#% game

like bruh do yall just hate fun? who cares, it aint PVP.

you bemoan the emperor's blessings. Heresy.

[drifting heron]

It takes too little effort for me

W + m1 isn't my idea of fun in darktide

[spice cloud]

Its just not fun to me if its too easy.

[drifting heron]

I like to have to try in melee

[zenith fern]

remove all ranged weapons in darktide next update

[drifting heron]

True and real

[woeful hill]

Would be funny

[zenith fern]

let the enemies only be the ones handling it

[drifting heron]

Please fatshark

[spice cloud]

Still no melee only class

Slayer when?

[drifting heron]

Just give me a like

[timid seal]

I mean there's literally maelstrom modifiers that basically do that. once you run out you're pretty screwed. pre-scum you REALLY wanted a Veteran along (or two)

[drifting heron]

300 damage pebble on vet for WS procs and we're good

[zenith fern]

Would be funny if they dropped an event that players only wield melee

[woeful hill]

Saying this in the hive scum channel is funny

[drifting heron]

The point of CIVI is just carapace shitshow the entire game

[woeful hill]

On the class with infinite ammo

[zenith fern]

[woeful hill]

Not to mention psyker

Lol

[zenith fern]

and rumbler BLO

[timid seal]

Ergo, screwed PRE-SCUM release, ya perception habitual nat-1'r

[drifting heron]

As long as you only shoot specials you're pretty alright in civi

[spice cloud]

Dont get me started please

[timid seal]

stg some of yall need to remember how to read makin me repeat my damn self.

[spice cloud]

Rumbler pbb ogryns literally make me leave

[zenith fern]

Read too boring

[spice cloud]

That shit is too annoying

[zenith fern]

i like making assumptions straight up

[zenith fern]

rumbler users go waste 80% of the ammo before reaching the first quarter of the mission

[spice cloud]

Like my screen explodes every fckn second STOP

[spice cloud]

Its truly bleak

[woeful hill]

Yeah, it was just funny

[spice cloud]

The worst thing ever was mortis trials with a rumblergryn with the box and he got a modifier with basically inf nades

[drifting heron]

Ok honest question

[spice cloud]

So he kept spamming both rumbler and box

[drifting heron]

Why were you not expecting that

Its mortis

They're on ogryn

[spice cloud]

Idk

[drifting heron]

You just throw boxes forever

[spice cloud]

Idk man

[timid seal]

skill issue

heretic go boom = gud

[spice cloud]

My game literally crashed several times

[timid seal]

....Fatshark skill issue

[zenith fern]

Holy fuck me playing on laptop back then

[timid seal]

that IS bogus.

[zenith fern]

With the damn mortis trial box nade

[spice cloud]

It was just nonstop explosions

My brain actually started to hurt from the noise

[timid seal]

the Fatshark skill issues keep coming. I take it they dont know sound design. >_>

shit's a lost art.

[drifting heron]

They have some of the best sound design in the industry

[spice cloud]

That wasnt even the worst thing ever.

[drifting heron]

Their engine just can't keep up with the current engagement scale

[zenith fern]

what is blud yapping

[spice cloud]

I think the worst sound bugs are in havocs

[timid seal]

if you red you ded

[zenith fern]

do i look dead? Am I dead

[drifting heron]

If sound queues worked 100% of the time you would not be complaining, but they don't because power creep

[spice cloud]

I havocs once the bursters go over a certain ammount all sounds just stop for me.

Like all sfx

Just dead silence

[zenith fern]

game engine allowing 30 million nade explosions noises but just having more than 10 bursters at same time it shits the bed

[limber cradle]

I really wish they'd unfuck the engine

[drifting heron]

Explosions absolutely cut out

[woeful hill]

Unreal 5 for darktide 2

[drifting heron]

That would require either actually overhauling their old ass house engine or reducing spawns across the board or smth

[limber cradle]

I said unfuck not downgrade

[spice cloud]

Only 10 more years.

[woeful hill]

Sorry unreal 6 then

[limber cradle]

Genuinely i would take reduced spawns+nerfs to the egregious shit we have

[drifting heron]

I hope the next tide game is AoS

[woeful hill]

No way they don't stick with their baby, the engine they made

[drifting heron]

Same

[limber cradle]

The engine is clearly at it's limit

Havoc 30+ gets fucking goofy

[woeful hill]

It's funny to think that VT2 had some game modes where there was no enemy limit and had nothing commonly happen that ruined people's experience caused by limitations

[spice cloud]

Why tho

[woeful hill]

Once played cata weekly with twins and waves of bursters

[limber cradle]

Vt2 also had less general effects spam too iirc

[woeful hill]

In a clutch situation with probably 600 slaves alive at one time

Yeah way less

[limber cradle]

Let the engine clearly does not like rot armor dying into gas clouds

[woeful hill]

You wanna see something

[limber cradle]

Is it the sun?

[woeful hill]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1465094673793286306/7E81781.MP4?ex=6977db3e&is=697689be&hm=d40febe2003fbeb8db21e1f460741d0b405247d9077e48324ffa69b287aab2cd&

[limber cradle]

Its the sun

[woeful hill]

The sun.

[light phoenix]

I feel there are too many buff filters in game

[woeful hill]

Yes

Look at the clip

[limber cradle]

Like honestly

What the fuck man

Who at FS is pushing for this

Is this all really cause the community couldnt handle PS nerfs

[woeful hill]

Gw and higher ups

But I can't say much

[limber cradle]

There's no way GW is going "yeah guys you NEED to have 80 gazillion enemies and effects at once"

[woeful hill]

Not directly

[limber cradle]

Idk, I feel like there's no course correction atp

[woeful hill]

There isnt

They see the value in released dlc that people will buy

Like the numbers scum brought back was huge

That's why a 3rd dlc is coming soon

[limber cradle]

So what I'm hearing is is if I want a well made tide game i should simply play Vt2 instead

[woeful hill]

Yeah

Always has been

[limber cradle]

Instead of expecting DT to be unfucked

Whoa buddy

Idk about always lmfao

I remember early vt2

[woeful hill]

Okay, fair

Within the past 2 years

[drifting heron]

I hope they actually enact what they've learned in AoS tide

[compact oyster]

From the characters created we can guage dlc sales

[drifting heron]

But time is a flat circle

[compact oyster]

I think darktide will have a 10 year lifespan

[woeful hill]

We'll see

[limber cradle]

I've been playing tide games for 10 years, I can tell you the release of the next one will also be a mess.

[drifting heron]

I think you're kinda insane

[drifting heron]

Yeah I know but I hope its a bit less of a mess

[limber cradle]

Fatshark does not learn anything

If anything

Id argue DT has enforced they do not need to

[drifting heron]

Just gotta go straighten these problems out myself or smth

Get hired there

[limber cradle]

I believe a lobotomy is apart of the on-boarding process, so

[spice cloud]

Neat

[limber cradle]

Idk, I do love these games cause nothing else is like then but it genuinely worries me how hard they're pushing dlcs for tide

The dlcs for DT so far have been a stupid amount of powercreep too

Arb and Scum are both insane for seperate reasons

I imagine the next dlc is also gonna be goofy

[woeful hill]

I like how 2 dlcs can't top psyker

Can the 3rd?

Willing to place bets?

[spice cloud]

Despo scum allready beat psyker in dps

[limber cradle]

Ig that's fair

[spice cloud]

And i still think arby is very much op.

[limber cradle]

Arby is op in that fact you literally will not die if you have a brain

[spice cloud]

Facts. Unless theres a conga of 30 crushers or a trapper i dont see how.

I wish they did it more like vermintide where the class itself isnt locked but maybe just the subclasses idk.

I wouldve preferred if they just made it free for everyone.

Theres a LOT of very high priced ingame cosmetics after all

[limber cradle]

Fuck you spend money on the slop shop

[spice cloud]

I do

[main trellis]

Atleast with the release of scum they gave a discount for arby class; smth V2 never did

[limber cradle]

Buy the increasingly expensive cosmetics

[spice cloud]

I cant help myself

[spice cloud]

True overall i think this is better tho

Buying every sublcass aslo kinda annoying.

And i guess u cant expect such things from games nowadays anymore.

[limber cradle]

I wouldn't even care about the slop shop if the engine wasn't broken

[spice cloud]

I just feel like the slop shop is so overpriced like really overpriced.

It would have been a cool move to make the dlc free atleast.

[limber cradle]

I think most of the cosmetics out of it look like dookie so

[main trellis]

Exacly
Constant error 2014 & 2004 are a joke for such a game

[limber cradle]

Don't even get me started man

The fact this shit is still a problem to this day

I've been playing this fuckass game since the beta

[vapid lava]

Would be nice if the aquila packs went on sale occasionally

https://tenor.com/view/jack-tanamen-gecky-incorporeal-gif-21102682

[rustic lava]

Would be nice to see those old packs that had the outfit, 2 weapon skins and a trinket for 2400 Aquila become a thing again but that won't ever happen

[polar geode]

Unload talent any good on Dual Pistols or only good on Dual SMGs?

[spice cloud]

The skins are kinda ass tho aaand the aquilas wasnt enough for a full set.

Most are 2900

Wich is kind of nuts if you think about it

[rustic lava]

Depends on if you are mag dumping

If yes then yes if no then no

[polar geode]

That settles it

[rustic lava]

I use the shop as I like drip but it's a bloody predatory shop that should not be allowed to fly

[spice cloud]

I cant help myself either

Its not my fault the best drip is so expensive!

[rustic lava]

Yeah it's hard when the free/earnable drip is dog water compared to the real money drip

[spice cloud]

[muted pivot]

Tbh I like a lot of the Ogryn freebies

[wanton dock]

I assume 80% of the budget for Darktide is upheld by Veteran Mains

[cobalt raft]

Nah

I thing it's zealots

[jaunty spire]

yeah, I'm a vet main and I admit I've got a shameful amount of stuff from the store

[dapper coral]

U guys telling me u stopped wearing prison outfits?

[wanton dock]

While I personally love running around as a rabid psycho high on stimms,
the appeal of playing a badass guardsmen is immense
and there are just no games that deliver
no cod 40k

Wait, I got sidetracked,
The Hivescum of Tertium really needs more drip;
So far every faction has just recolors of the same armor.
We need some extravagant swag.
maybe even some bling.
to show off those ill-gotten gains.
(Insert image of House Escher Bitches, here)
(I Can't, I'm not a Convict)

[grand jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/crybaby-billy-butcher-karl-urban-the-boys-wah-wah-gif-804174534879644629

[subtle zenith]

Iron mouse

[dire badge]

is the only weakspot on a chaos spawn and plague ogryn their heads? If so yall think tis worth making my scum of the hive 6ft so I can actually consistently hit them

[main trellis]

Just aim… your height matters little

[dire badge]

matters for some cover

and on my 6ft zealot its seasier to hit theh ead

and id imagine it mattersm ore with a no reach shivs

[main trellis]

Aim highier… its not hard

[dire badge]

also cabn you get a backstab headshot where it counts as a weakspot hit and a backstab hit?

[main trellis]

Learn the hitbox of the weapons

[dire badge]

wdy dont.... you shove that condescendin way of typing up your ass.....

[main trellis]

Move your camera

[main trellis]

You perceive it as such; not my intention - just truth

[dire badge]

guys... im gonna do a behavior that makes me seem like a condescending asshole.... but its not my intention.... but im still going to do that....

[main trellis]

Not sure… chaos spawn is like… impossible to get a weakspot & a backstab
Plowgryn yes but… its hard… i think

[livid raven]

chaos spawn's head is pretty small and not very clear

he also moves a lot

[dire badge]

yeah chaosspawn is alot harder

[main trellis]

You need to take a chill pill man… or eat a snickers; you’re not yourself

[dire badge]

you need too.... get that stick out of your ass.... I can see it when you open your mouth.....

[main trellis]

Its called spine; its required or i flop like a wet towel

[main trellis]

Isn’t it like very hunchbacked to the point you can’t hit its head from behind?

[livid raven]

yeah it's pretty dumb

[dire badge]

and annoying to fight. but dodging the long arm of chaos by going right under it is satisfying

[main trellis]

Parrying is also but thats only Dclaw really for HS

It can do nutty dmg on rampage crit builds tho; very potent

[dire badge]

parrying you cna spam though unlike dodge so I feel like itsn ot as reaarding

liek an actual parryl ike forhonor or soemthing

the parry on crusher overhead is sexy tho

[manic wolf]

Lule, play Psyker an you can parry literally 100 Ragers

[livid raven]

you overperil tho

[main trellis]

I think before that happens ragers will be dead

[manic wolf]

You can get close, but Perilous usually kills the rest of any given elite blob before its a massive problem

I would bet with some of the recent changes its actually stronger than it was

[main trellis]

Try parrying sword twin/final toll sword captain - shit is

[compact oyster]

chaos spawn weakspot is very finnicky

[rough peak]

I've heard people say it's easier to get a weakspot hit from behind on chaos spawns

[compact oyster]

your weapon goes through the chaos spawn model i believe

[main trellis]

Should not work like that; hits body first

[rough peak]

It shouldn't, but, this is a fatshark coded game

[main trellis]

[woeful trellis]

it's like how some weapons have priority (?) on mutant headshot

where no matter where you hit the mutant from, as long as it's in line with the head you'll get a headshot (at least i remember hearing that some weapons have it, iirc deimos h2 was the most obvious one)

[manic wolf]

Most weapons have headshot priority

If the swing passes through the head hitbox, its a headshot, even if its just by a pixel

Its weird, but equally, due to variance in swing patterns, some weapons would just feel abysmal to play with if it wasnt a thing

[upbeat gyro]

There were weakspot mods for World of Tanks back in the day when i played it, could help to have such for monstrosities too, like highlight the head red

[dire badge]

hot take, backstab talent kinda fire

50% melee str, hit the weakspot from the back and the dmg insane

[main trellis]

The question is; because of such interraction - can you headshot a CS from behind?

[tender marten]

way too situatuonal and should basically just be '+50% boss damage' in practice

[main trellis]

And if so; do you also get backstab bonus?

[tender marten]

still wish that node was ranged damage instead

[livid raven]

you end up shooting the boss with a ranged build anyway

[main trellis]

Only dogshit thing is… you miss a backstab… it gets completelly reset

[livid raven]

unless it's a voidshield

[main trellis]

If it would not reset would be fine

[dire badge]

with shiv atk speed it doesn't matter too much. Still annoying though.

[main trellis]

Should not reset… does not play their games

[livid raven]

many such talents

[main trellis]

In the end; quite dogshit - better get smth more reliable

[livid raven]

why yes, i will spend a talent point to discount desperado's cooldown by 5 seconds

of 60

[main trellis]

Yeah like who thought that was good

[livid raven]

apparently it was much higher before release?

i dunno, it's just kind of a joke

[dire badge]

i eman the 5% tough regain on adreneline is good, but the backstab alent I get alot of use out of. And I forget which hyper it was but doesn't it insta kill based on dmg in the heavy strike

[manic wolf]

Afaik you can headshot everything from behind if the weapon is long enough

Probably better with stabby weapons than with swingy weapons tho

Spawn might be a bit harder coz its already got goofy collision with player models

[unreal stirrup]

you can stab chaos spawn head from behind with ds and knife

relic blade work too

[tender marten]

he just freaky like that

[main trellis]

So relic blade

[exotic temple]

I like regained posture on my rampage builds. It helps balance the all Stam falling off at the end of rampage.

[manic wolf]

Thats just a goated node to take on most builds tbh

Ultra-fast dodge refresh go brr

[main trellis]

Always take forge
Stamina on dodge is nice counter but imo downsides should not be present in the first place

[exotic temple]

I’m rather perturbed at how good of a tank arbities is. I’ve been suffering as Ogryn for a while and it basically addresses all of the issues Ogryn has and you get a dog.

[north crow]

Arbi is far superior for frontline pugging

whereas taunt ogryn makes life the easiest if you have capable people around

aka, never pugging

[dapper coral]

What if the bot is the best player around?

[exotic temple]

The bot is regularly more useful than puggers

[tranquil fjord]

what is pugging

[amber sundial]

quick playing

with no strike team

So 3 randoms

[vapid jungle]

YOU are the strike team

Never forgetti

[amber sundial]

well THIS strike team hasn’t played the game in 2 months

[fading storm]

Relic blade scum would be peak

Holy krak addict

[dim moth]

bots are surprisingly good at not dying to melee enemies

they have this bad habit of getting shot to death though

[wanton dock]

I had 2 games saved by bots, when one player left early and the bot who replaced him just... revived nonchalantly and efficently

[exotic temple]

Bots are better than 80% of the player base in melee. They also act far more selflessly to undo nets and revive.

I’m curious if they have different codes. Some of the bots are brainless and die first 5 secs others are gigachads and make it through havocs without going down

[fathom elm]

Is the Brutal Bludgeons penance still bugged? As in, do I have to use personal stimm only, doesn't count stimm supply even if stimm is active?

[nova valley]

I think Stimm Supply counts if it consumed your Cartel Special... But if you want to be sure, use it the regular way. And remember to heavy attack for the kill to count

[astral canyon]

pretty sure those penances do count stimm supply

[azure bronze]

Shilled out for hivescum, here we go fellas

[stray spear]

The other lad just left so only 3

But this is hilarious stats trying that meme speed blender build

[copper bronze]

my sibling in religion it is 1230 on a monday

[candid flint]

console player spotted

[dire badge]

any good ranged weapons other than the fent gun? ab it boredo f it

[livid raven]

ranged or melee build?

[dire badge]

melee build, cna't chop my fent if im not in range

[copper bronze]

it also does that for gamepass players/windows store players

there's no filter sadly to actually just filter out who is actually on an xbox vs gamepass/winstore
makes it easier to deny ps4 players at least

[bronze glade]

Bistol is a good melee sidearm

[novel oracle]

Ive tried this
It should never be allowed

Ever

[astral canyon]

it would be funny tho

[dire badge]

howq should i build it?

[novel oracle]

It was for 2 seconds then I remembered that the game used to have a sense of balance to keep it fun

[astral canyon]

see it would be funny

[jaunty spire]

hear me out

thunder hammer hivescum

[bronze glade]

Uhhh idr tbh. Would have to check. Prob puncture lethal prox. The main thing is that you want the talent on the top left for close range damage.

[prime turtle]

Would slap with rampage

[candid flint]

i am aware

[raven matrix]

could just play on EU servers to get a more active playerbase.

[robust minnow]

Was pivoting my melee ganger build away from crits, got a point free, is Hyper-Violence still bugged?

[livid raven]

it was never bugged

[robust minnow]

🤔

I remember one of the ganger's feats being a trap feat- looked good but in practice was shit.

Or am I thinking about Hyper-Critical?

[livid raven]

maybe

they are both good

[robust minnow]

Ok well, Hyper-Violence is nice, it seems very cc-centric, and I'm already using a Mk13g chainsword on this build so it's already fast with wide swings, plus Rampage+damage/attack speed stimm so I've got good CC when hoards come.

Does Hyper-Violence make a significant difference on Havoc?

If not, is there a must-have movement talent from the middle of the tree? This is the current path I've taken:

If anyone has answers to my questions plz ping me.

[vapid jungle]

That looks pretty good I take stam on dodge for comfort but not necessary with HS stam delay/regen

[heavy patio]

am i misunderstanding or is the first thing of chemical dependency kind of an antisynergy with the rest of the chemical skills?

or at least practiced deployment + sample taker

[vapid jungle]

Its a stupid interaction

Hopefully gets reworked

[heavy patio]

does long lasting apply to fast acting stimms?

[heavy patio]

yeah i could see the ability speed getting changed into a side node one for builds that use it, but considering the rest of the right side tree i think itd work better if the base keystone node was smth else

[exotic temple]

HV is probably one of our best talents for melee damage

[robust minnow]

HMMMMMMM

[vapid jungle]

I hope they just pick a lane. Have it be reduced by base stim CD with the reduction on kill or ability haste with dependency and stim spec.

Right now its clunky af

[robust minnow]

Ok I need something answered ASAP- when enemies start wiggling/seizuring when hit by assault chainsword, is that counted as a full stagger state?!

[exotic temple]

I believe it does but I’m not at a computer to test.

[woeful hill]

Check Kuli guide

He has a note on that for the stagger talent

[robust minnow]

Can someone plz link that?

[exotic temple]

If you are wondering if that talent for stagger is worth it usually isn’t

[robust minnow]

Actually wait if it's on steam I can find it

[woeful hill]

In pins

[exotic temple]

The only exception might be crowbar

[robust minnow]

👀

I was doing some testing with Bloodletter and found that the bleed stacks are upfront, not on the final rip

The bleed dot happens between the chainsword damage ticks, juicing the DPS- and Cheap Shot boosts that by 15%.

I run autopistols for rager swarms, everything else gets the chainsword.

[uneven plinth]

is there a hive scum meta yet?

[robust minnow]

Melee ganger with Mk13g chainsword is pretty great. Can make it a crit build if you want but it works well with straight up damage.

Damage + attack speed stim for fuller auto meleeing.

That chainsword mark swings fast and wide. Combined with cleave talents it's got great CC without needing to invest in Swift Endurance.

[mighty belfry]

Needle pistol + stimm crate + pickpocket (boring)

[robust minnow]

Dual autpistols with bonus Maniac damage is good for rager swarms, because sadly even with fuller auto melee it doesn't out-DPS them.

[uneven plinth]

stim crate is the meta build?

[livid raven]

mostly because havoc has toxic cloud right now

and because of a bug

[uneven plinth]

interesting i thought it would be ranged desperado build

[robust minnow]

I'm actually going to try the double-barrel. Only downside to melee build is weak Carapace damage- which the needle pistol solves, but I use that on another build already.

You'd think, given infinite ammo now and again, but nah, seems to be the junkie build that's meta.

[exotic temple]

I wouldn’t say carapace is a downside to melee, caxe and ch axe both can get into 1-2 shots on crushers with hv. Rampage shivs is good

[robust minnow]

Pretty sure I know the answer, but the bonus tox damage talent applies to the needle pistol right?

[exotic temple]

The adms they gave shivs is kinda nuts

[uneven plinth]

anyone know which build in the pins has the standard chem build? most of the ones i check out are rampage or desperado builds

[robust minnow]

Shivs on junkie build are weirdly cracked, holy hell

[exotic temple]

The bonesaw build is the crate I think

[uneven plinth]

thats a rampage one as well

[exotic temple]

Oh that’s weird we don’t have one pinned

[uneven plinth]

nvm i used 0.5% of my brain and searched chem build keyword and found this

[robust minnow]

caxe is great, but doesn't have the cc I prefer- definitely looking into chaxe for that tho!

[uneven plinth]

i assume thats roughly standard chem?

[exotic temple]

Orka has a fent knife crate build on games lantern

Lemme see if I can find it

[exotic temple]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a077d553-91e8-46ba-98db-89673f567985/porfessional-fent-dealer

[livid raven]

this has booby trap

[exotic temple]

Yeah I’d drop that for chem fortified

[uneven plinth]

coated weapon isnt good

?

[last axle]

someone pretty please send me their weird experimental build that at least kinda works, I'm gonna do auric qp in a bit just for mission completes

[livid raven]

and imo blackouts are much worse than the other 2

especially with no pocket toxin

[livid raven]

it's meh

[robust minnow]

OMG CHAXE IS INSANELY GOOD AGAINST CARAPACE

And everything else, holy hell I was sleeping on it

[livid raven]

it's not that good against hordes

[exotic temple]

Really ly I thought it did fine

[robust minnow]

Mk12 does fine, it's got wide sweeps

[uneven plinth]

thanks for the build man! you should pin it i did swap booby trap for chem fort

[robust minnow]

doesn't swing as fast

[bronze glade]

Chaxe horde clear is pretty good

[exotic temple]

And grenade is swappable too but black outs are fun for melee builds

[bronze glade]

The only real issue is poor mobility

[robust minnow]

On a non-Rampage build I could see the flaws but with it, it slaps.

*shreds

[livid raven]

literally everything shreds on rampage

this is why some people think crowbar isn't the worst weapon ever manufactured by any lifeform

change my mind

[exotic temple]

Really the only purpose in the build would be to refresh tox stacks from the needle gun. But it’s infinite ammo so it’s not a huge deal to disengage and shoot the boss or crusher some more

[bronze glade]

Tbf chaxe is on the high end of damage even with rampage

[uneven plinth]

is it infinite because pick pocket?

[exotic temple]

Yeah pick pocket and the insane ammount of specials the director shits out

[brittle sierra]

Rampage scum

One shot everything, no cooldown because it's always up

[robust minnow]

https://tenor.com/urCF.gif

[last axle]

double barrel desperado is good feel brain juice hours

[verbal dew]

ranged crate or desperado requires less thinking

[robust minnow]

...OMG YEAH, double-barrel desperado makes so much sense!!

[verbal dew]

db crate is nicer tbh

[zenith fern]

Triple barring my desperado rn

[last axle]

she desperado on my barrel till I triple

[uneven plinth]

what ever happened to pox burster dmg reduction on curios

[bronze glade]

I agree

That’s how I run DB

Desperado is fine but crate has better uptime and buffs

[mighty belfry]

late but

why are we still out here thinking melee scum dont handle carapace

[robust minnow]

Oh yeah since that post I tested out chainaxe, it's incredible.

Also combat axe is good but it doesn't have the CC I'm looking for.

[mighty belfry]

Dude even shivs tear carapace apart.

[robust minnow]

...Carapace damage on the basic strike is 6

[exotic temple]

Oh lol I got you

[livid raven]

what do you mean basic strike bro

Shivs are pretty good against carapace

[mighty belfry]

never listen to the damage tables

[verbal dew]

you have uncanny strike and weakspot heavies

[mighty belfry]

in practice, they are never actually accurate

[livid raven]

bro red the damage table

[dreamy rover]

With the blitz charge perk sometimes I still start with 3 rockets or 3 chem nades. Is that normal?

[verbal dew]

wdym or

[mighty belfry]

it's a bug i'm pretty sure

i know what you're talking about

[unique dagger]

Scums only weakness in rotten is armor density as your only answer is a teammate frontline or a grenade. Otherwise you will rip apart carapace like paper.

[exotic temple]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0866d3e-3c47-4974-bf09-b17f7013e579/corpse-grinder-cultist

This is still my favorite meme build

[unique dagger]

Toxining carapace also works pretty well for lesser armor crowds

[verbal dew]

bistol desperado is mine

[unique dagger]

needle pistol very ope

[exotic temple]

Check out the damage on the heavy attack strike downs. You probably running 50-70% crit chance and should be aiming for the head so the weak spot critical is gonna be your usual damage

[robust minnow]

Yeah I saw them, my b

[exotic temple]

I still don’t know why shanks would do more damage into armor than most 2 h weapons or guns but what do I know

[livid raven]

well in theory shanks would target weakspots in the armor

[unique dagger]

Uncanny strike can penetrate auramite no problem

[livid raven]

then again, a blunt weapon like say

the crusher

[verbal dew]

"blunt"

[livid raven]

should deal more damage than an axe to armor

seems pretty bonky to me

[verbal dew]

depends on which skin is canon :^)

[exotic temple]

https://youtube.com/shorts/PfThnhAlLuE?si=SgrJB_eyX29Wgorp

[exotic temple]

This made me think think of this short but yeah we need our rogue fantasy

[livid raven]

oh yeah it would definitely be hard to find weakspots in a real armor piece like that

crushers have kind of makeshift armor tho

also it's just cool

[exotic temple]

Yeah that ring mail they put around the neck is heavy af. The armor is probably more likely to hurt the wearer than the guy with the knife

[bronze glade]

Let me cut off his fingers!

[exotic temple]

We got that dog in us…. The dog just happens to be crack addled methhead

[tranquil fjord]

did the moebian sixth always have their own special patterns of armor

even for ogryns

[verbal dew]

compared to what, admonition?

[livid raven]

to the other moebians

[exotic temple]

I guess they could. They have bullgryns which have that sort of armor

[verbal dew]

it seems more chaos than moebian related

[exotic temple]

Could you imagine how annoying a bulwark would be if it came up and started falcon punching you with a grenadier gauntlet

[verbal dew]

yes I can, it's like a barrel

[livid raven]

i sometime forget bulwarks can attack

and that they actually hit like a truck when they hit with their tiny ass slowass hitbox

[verbal dew]

yeah their havoc pincers are no joke

[tranquil fjord]

it is said that the moebian outfits we may unlock from penances are their armor

i think, were they originally black instead of blue? or, did the traitors paint their armor black

[verbal dew]

blue

black is the 53rd

[tranquil fjord]

in the wolfer cutscenes they seem black

even before their defection

[brittle sierra]

Crush deez

[hot edge]

cheeky little h40 trio

[light phoenix]

New boss? Ogryn Champion

[buoyant edge]

close....

[main wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/worried-scared-oh-no-stop-it-fearful-gif-12534009

[exotic temple]

Bulwark in full crusher armor with grenadier gauntlet. The grenade punch is a one shot but only takes half the swing time as crusher maul

Also reapers in full carapace when

[main wagon]

Shirtless reapers with carapace helmets

That would be a HD2 war striders-tier blunder lol

[exotic temple]

I mean that’s kinda like the twins

[tranquil fjord]

plasma gunners

[rough peak]

Huh, I noticed that the 2nd damage tick of the heavy 1 on the bonesaw doesn't give adrenaline frenzy stacks(with smiter that is)... That's kinda ridiculous since it's part of the heavy 1's attack... but ig it must count as a sawing type of damage, instead of just melee damage, or something stupid like that

I guess that's what I get, since I know rampage and adrenaline frenzy aren't the best career skill and keystone for the bonesaw... glad I tested it first in the meat grinder

[bronze glade]

It doesn’t matter because you should be running smiter anyway

[rough peak]

It's with smiter that it doesn't give the stacks, since it requires a melee kill with smiter... and ig the 2nd tick of the heavy 1 on the bonesaw doesn't count as a melee kill when it gets the kill >.>

[bronze glade]

Oh damn

I guess I don’t notice

Because I don’t use heavies on saw anyway lol

[astral canyon]

its also a problem with the ripsaw attacks on chaxe

cant remember if it also applies to revved attacks though

[frigid wyvern]

well time to get to work and unfuck this area

[vernal flame]

is that xcom?

[frigid wyvern]

phoenix point terror of the Void

[bronze glade]

forgot that game existed

after they went epig exclusive

[vernal flame]

mind blown.... i never even heard of this. Looks great (assuming people like xcom2, etc.).

[buoyant edge]

am i a tru Scum now?

also, these abilities were FAR easier to do

achievs*

just gotta play Scum 26 more missions for Hive Scum master of war V

[frigid wyvern]

probs a more advanced version of xcom

[main wagon]

Arbites and Scum are the only classes I’ve fully completed penances for and I’ve played since launch lol

I would say they learned their lesson about crappy grindfest class penances but Scum got the silly one to use toughness stim so I mean…

[buoyant edge]

Arbites is the one have the LEAST experience with

[main wagon]

Each class has one particular playstyle I just do not gel with, so that penance never gets completed

[buoyant edge]

and i play the least also

i dont like Arbites.

i will break the Lex in front of Arbites players

[bronze glade]

disliking arbites. mandated edict: a swift kick to the balls

[main wagon]

Stealth zealot (pre-Fatmangus) and immolation nades

All of Gunlugger Ogryn

Psyker because I cba to do Malleus Monstrom

Smoke nades on Vet

[buoyant edge]

WHAT THE HELL IS AN COP DOING IN THE HIVE SCUM CHANNEL

GET OUT

[main wagon]

BOOTY CHEEKYS

[bronze glade]

not so loud! i'm undercover

[main wagon]

They’re inspecting the DB’s to make sure they’ve all got proper manstopping potential

[buoyant edge]

[main wagon]

Gotta tell the ragers to kindly fuck off in 10 gauge

[buoyant edge]

lets put Stims in his lunch

[bronze glade]

stimms are acceptable as part of the tithe

[buoyant edge]

hey chat, wanna see how many Stims we can give to a cop before he starts to see the Warp 2?

[main wagon]

Stimulants help keep you alert of any Lexbreakers

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

[bronze glade]

exactly

and the dog likes them too

[main wagon]

Fatalist hit me with a really sad line over the weekend

Someone commented that his hound was quite loyal

He just goes, “He should be. He doesn’t have any choice in the matter.”

[bronze glade]

idk if that's sad, that's just average for 40k 🙂‍↕️

[main wagon]

Both things not necessarily mutually exclusive

But given how we like our güd boys it is sad to be reminded that it is in fact a barely sentient flesh shredder

[bronze glade]

yeah i guess i just don't take 40k seriously enough to feel sad about it

[main wagon]

I don’t think you have to take it too seriously just to have a moment when you’re reminded that the lore for the fun vidya game puts the grim in grimdark

Kinda like when you’ve got some Spotify tunes going, you’re having a great time, and then the Medicae station begs you to bring him with you

[light phoenix]

I want a Ritualist boss

• poor melee
• low health
• teleports
• shoots lightning balls
• summons enemies via portal
• transforms into Daemonhost at low health

[main wagon]

[amber sundial]

Executes downed teammates to summon daemon hosts fr fr

Ogryn daemonhost

[exotic temple]

That’s how you get tamurkhans in 40k

https://tenor.com/view/nurgle-total-war-warhammer-tamurkhan-plague-ogre-gif-3749829097975275445

https://tenor.com/view/nurgle-total-war-warhammer-tamurkhan-bubebolos-gif-12100687635925517160

[mighty belfry]

Precog executor shivs

[light phoenix]

Poxhound Daemonhost

[amber sundial]

oh dear

[abstract lichen]

teleports
Controller players in shambles

[robust minnow]

Quick question: which needle pistol mark does more DoT?

[woeful hill]

nearly all questions can be answered using the pins

[robust minnow]

awesome thx

[uneven plinth]

riddle me this pins why does everyone hate crowbar it seems okay

[bronze glade]

cuz it sucks

[uneven plinth]

why thou? is it the low dmg the clunkyness on the swap to secondary attack the wierd stuck thing that usually only happens to chain axe or just the raw sexual appeal of wielding the mighty spirit of the omnissah in a crow bar

[bronze glade]

let me put it this way

it's a shovel

except without the op blessings to carry it

[uneven plinth]

whats the good scum melee weapons then is bonesaw any good? i know people love the shivs

once i get the bar to mast 20 i can move onto the bonesaw

[bronze glade]

saw is better than cbar but not great

shiv is really good

[robust minnow]

Chainsword has been good to me.

[exotic temple]

It’s basically axe meta, chain axe, caxe and taxe

And shivs and combat knife

[real python]

uwu im streaming 🥺

[azure bronze]

difference between shivs and combat knife??

[bronze glade]

shiv attacks faster, and has a very strong special

lower single target damage output (still very good)

better horde clear than knife

[azure bronze]

appreciate that

[uneven plinth]

wat u put on dual stubs? flak/maniac?

nvm i hate them

[abstract lichen]

[spice cloud]

How can u possibly hate the coolest scum ranged weapon?

Oh right its not utterly broken and cheesy.

[main wagon]

To be fair it does feel very unsatisfying when you can’t adequately deal with specialists in Auric because the stubs are kinda crungo

The spin is the coolest thing about them and it doesn’t even give you a consistent bomber 1shot

Throw in the very likely scenario that some poxwalker will dive in front of your shot as you’re lining up the spin shot and you’ll just get fucked versus just holding down M1 on literally anything else

Any of the autoguns, Shredder pistol, hell even the DB snipes better than Stubs do

[bronze glade]

based

if they doubled the mag size

it'd probe be ok

[spark gyro]

I'd be into them transfering the special to the RMB, and having the player be able to shoot instantly, but at the same rate of the current twirls

Sort of like a snipe mode that's less inconvenient and fits the purpose people use the right mouse button on pretty much every gun

Timing shots with twirls is... okay sometimes, but I'm not too much of a fan when the revolver does what it's trying to do and can swap, fire and swap again in the same interval the twirl is finishing so I can fire and likely miss

Revolver bullet magnetism ruined me

[rough peak]

Does Rampage's power bonus affect the needler dot while your melee weapon is out?

I've never really thought about checking, ig I can look in the meat grinder rq

I can't really tell for sure, but, it looks like it isn't affecting the dot from the needler

Oh, the extra damage was from critting. That's why I got varied results... >.<'

[mighty belfry]

No. It's only melee it helps.

[main trellis]

Nah; buff slightly reload speed & accuracy

[frigid wyvern]

well here hoping pick pocket doesn't get nerfed or get some rediculously stupid CD

[drifting heron]

Knowing fatshark it'll probably happen

Woe unto us all

[frigid wyvern]

pick pocket doesn't need a CD

or a nerf

and to those who say it does

https://tenor.com/view/invalidates-cats-cat-meme-you-are-wrong-this-cat-completely-invalidates-everything-you-say-gif-14938346515147172709

[drifting heron]

The game of Is It Bait?

[frigid wyvern]

STFU catachan dont wanna hear your bullshit that you spew

[drifting heron]

Awww I have haters

[main trellis]

Needs a reposition - desperado subnode so no melee/support build is basically a needler build in disguise

[main trellis]

Who would hate a scolipede; goated pokemon

[compact oyster]

Pickpocket to 10-5% and make it only proc on melee

[drifting heron]

Pickpocket to live grenade in the small of your back

[lavish bronze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/741119243646402592/1465005870487441585/caption-6_1.gif

[drifting heron]

Wait is this guy actually this angry about pickpocket

[zenith fern]

[compact oyster]

Ive been clown reacted whatever will i do

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cry-tears-gif-10239367

[mighty belfry]

the world if pickpocket got nerfed

truly, all of the Imperium's problems exist because Pickpocket is a thing

I swear

[drifting heron]

Emperor getting off his ass to kneecap ranged scum then sitting back down

[mighty belfry]

I mean think about how the Scum are always so heavily armed

[drifting heron]

Theft

The answer is theft

[austere coyote]

buff pickpocket methinks

[main trellis]

Hes angry all the time

[mighty belfry]

I relate. I too, wake up to be everyone else's problem.

[zenith fern]

so called the strongest when you see them whinging all the time

the strongest whinger

[main trellis]

@drifting heron when Haters show up

[zenith fern]

She eating good

[drifting heron]

Its just late on a Monday (or early on a tuesday) and I'm waiting for my sinuses to permit sleep

[uneven plinth]

HOLY COW GUYS they just did a hotfix and made pickpocket melee only and take 1% ammo on elite kill because your a a robin hood style hive scum giving your ammo to the people

[echo python]

we need a HROTfix that makes the game brown

the people have spoken

[wanton dock]

[austere coyote]

you know this whole time I thought she was a giratina

[unique dagger]

Well scums

Ranged linger was fun while it lasted

[spice cloud]

No

Good riddance.

[unique dagger]

You’ll see scum players popping like balloons again lol

[spice cloud]

Did they actually change pickpocket tho?

Cant get on my pc rn.

[compact oyster]

there hasnt been a hotfix yet

[novel perch]

The stimms attack speed nodes affect’s guns rof right? I have plans for my brothers gunlugger build.

[livid raven]

Yeah

[eager reef]

patch notes dont mention pickpocket only stuff to dodges

[compact oyster]

its only fixes

[rough peak]

Ay, they nerfed dodge linger vs ranged to what it was before(I think). >.>'

[compact oyster]

is it really a nerf if it was unintended

[rough peak]

Tell that to people who review bomb the game over things that could get changed x.x

Have they ever changed the plasma gun at all, since they said something about tweaking it?

I honestly can't remember

[eager reef]

plasma is it's own issue, half in part to weapon fantasy, GW being cucks, and their own game having wildly inconsistent difficulty

if bulwarks could be staggered open it could catch a nerf and most people would be fine

[nova valley]

Please explain

[rough peak]

I do not have to mental capabilities to explain what I think they did, and it's fatshark so them saying they "fixed" it doesn't mean it was fixed...

[calm aurora]

HVS has a talent affecting dodger linger, which is basically how long you can maintain your dodge state after a dodge, which has some implication in terms of knowing if you took dmg or not

apparently, the talent was not doing what is was supposed to do, based on the description, so they decided to touch it 2 days before taking a month long vacation

except what they did basically impacted every dodge... making people able to just make ranged dmg irrelevant

[livid raven]

I appreciate the attempt

[calm aurora]

so we still don't know what is the new fix lol but I am sure some here are already on the case lol

[livid raven]

New players will wonder why they are getting shredded by gunners now

[calm aurora]

inb4 they buffed gunners posts on reddit

[austere coyote]

maybe I'll finally be able to do the bloody stupid toughness cartel special penance

[calm aurora]

and the mandatory Mister E video ''THE STATE OF DARKTIDE''

[livid raven]

I did it by throwing myself onto pools of fire and gas

We love penances that encourage playing like a complete tool

[austere coyote]

for me it's just hard to shake the muscle memory of "inject the stim before a fight"

[light phoenix]

There's an update? When? Where?

I dont see it in news bulletin

[austere coyote]

and then I keep forgetting I've just got toughness on it, like a wanker

[livid raven]

I did tge sane lol

All for that epic bald cosmetic

It was worth it

[fierce aurora]

Daily reminder.

Water cartel #1

[calm aurora]

sex cartel better

[fierce aurora]

All cartels do this so this point is moot.

[uneven plinth]

finally the crowbar is mastered now its bone time

what blessings for bonesaw shred and wrath or lethality/shred i assume?

[calm aurora]

shock n awe and decimator/shred

[nova valley]

Booooooh

[queen flame]

@novel oraclehi bud so whats a good meat build with hive class then

any body tell me whats a good meta build for hive class im about to level one

[echo python]

I'd say worry about meta builds after you've levelled one

[upbeat gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/the-secret-ingredient-is-crime-jbone666-mouthful-building-walking-the-street-gif-16400025

[fierce aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-woody-everywhere-toy-toy-story-gif-17059600

[calm aurora]

well, don't start with desperado + vulture, it will just ruin your fun later

[upbeat gyro]

So, we gon die now?

[calm aurora]

I use rampage / crate mostly

didn't see a diff tbh, trappers are still the one fucking me over and over

[livid raven]

this does nothing to desperado vulture chads

[lavish bronze]

No. You are going to die.

[upbeat gyro]

It is very likely, since ive been only playing while that plentiful dodge bug has been available

[frigid wyvern]

By the by for all you dopes who think I’m a complete idiot I know pick pocket needs a nerf or something

Just like being a rage baiting

[livid raven]

but it doesn't

[frigid wyvern]

Now if it comes to veteran that I will voice my opinions on even if they are wrong

Cause that class I’m serious about

[iron patrol]

"Reverted an unintended change introduced in 1.10.3 that made weapon specific dodge linger time affect incoming ranged attacks.

Reverted an unintended change that allowed dodge stats from talent trees to also impact incoming ranged damage."

its so over rampage bros

we can no longer crab dodge at mach 5 towards a gunner cluster

[novel falcon]

since they nerfed us whats best build for havoc now?

[faint fossil]

just had a match with a absolute unit running desperado with the needle gun

its like the second time i saw that

[spice cloud]

Despicable playstyle really

Nothing „unit“ about that

If you want to auto win give it a try.

[livid raven]

if he was a unit he would be playing desperado vraks

[hot edge]

its fine, you just have to slide now

and cant ego 10 reapers

[faint fossil]

idk i don't play desperado

i hate desperado

[spice cloud]

Needle gun with pickpocket and despo is just pathetic imo

Just let a bot play it for you at that point

[livid raven]

the sneedler just has poor feedback

[upbeat gyro]

Despo has no synergy with needler though?

[livid raven]

you don't hear the crunching noise that plays when you shoot enemies

[spice cloud]

Doesnt matter if you just keep killing anything.

Without any effort whatsoever

And then also have infinite ammo.

[faint fossil]

thats just desperado in general

[spice cloud]

Gun desperado is bad enough bud needler with pickpocket really trumps it.

[faint fossil]

i dislike desperado

it has no real downsides no real timing to use properly

just spray and pray

that said that is just my salt as a ogryn main speaking cause PBB sucks ass

[spice cloud]

Its not even the best ability imo

Needler doesnt even need it thats the problem.

U just do a crate build with pickpocket

And then refill ur stimm nonstop with that stupid secondary fire.

If it was single target only this problem wouldnt even exist.

But no they had to give the massive dps poison gun an aoe mode

[dire badge]

Actually best is melee build. Risky but that's part of the fun

[faint fossil]

i mainly run rampage crowbar

if i want to have a bit of a easier time

rampage tac axe

need to do a rampage bonesaw at some point

but i still can't get used to it

idk

whenever i use the bonesaw i would just rather be using the crowbar

cause it feels so slow

[rotund agate]

I think I need a reminder on what even a decent bone saw build looks like (I have only used it with stimbox for thematic reason), because armoured stuff is kinda hard for me to kill even with poison mode attack-spam...

I also need a reminder on what the single-target combo for bone saw is. thanks in advance.

[novel falcon]

was always a stim supply/ rampage user. anyone have good vids for a desperado build?

[dire badge]

Actually just use shivs. You go fast af and it feeds the riskier playstyle since you need to get close close. But the dmg is crazy and with rending blessing crushers go night night

[faint fossil]

yea i have a shiv build with rampage too

[dire badge]

Bonesaw sucks

[faint fossil]

it destroys shit

but idk

i don't like it that much either

[dire badge]

You want anti armor? Stim gun and shivs

[dire badge]

I love it, four dodges, fast af. Special to deal with an annoying far away enemy so you don't have to reposition mid fight

[faint fossil]

crowbar just feels awesome for me and i think it has to do with the sound design and how fast it gets with rampage

really gives the feeling of hitting heretics with a piece of metal

[dire badge]

That I understand. But for me that's shivs. When you hit armor it has a different animation that feels just so satisfying

[faint fossil]

of course crowbar is pretty shit at dealing with crusher packs

and i don't have the extra dodge distance in my crowbar build

[rotund agate]

I don't really like the click-spam rate of shivs... I only use em on my desperado build for anti armour and mobility reasons, but on any other build? no thx.

[dire badge]

RPG my beloved

[faint fossil]

shivs just have easier time dealing with that

[faint fossil]

yea i just run rpg with the crowbar

the "get fucked crusher pack" button

[dire badge]

Each to their own but for armored heavy attacks do wjnders

[exotic temple]

Single target combo is h1 l1. You can also slide heavy attack and it give you more strike downs afterwards

[dire badge]

It's the hoards that require spam clicking but I've gotten so used to it it just feels like ik turning on a blender

[tender forge]

I like the sound of the saw

[dire badge]

The saw is SUCH a cool weapon. It's a shame that it's as shit as nirgles shit

[tender forge]

Id love an attack speed buff too

The secondary could use a buff though

To help deal with crushers

[exotic temple]

Umm idk you already get higher adm and apply a secondary brittleness that’s stacks wit brittleness

Just making stuff busted to get people to use brain cells vs just spamming l1 on a different weapon is bad game design imo

[tender forge]

Main thing is just an attack speed buff, I find that the time to swap to the secondary isnt that worth

[woeful trellis]

did the saw get better or worse after the latest patch? i have no idea if they adjusted brittleness mode damage up or down

[exotic temple]

If you have coated weaponry and needle pistol you just stay in purple and explode everything

[tender forge]

Or cleave so I can run some of the more fun blessings

[old eagle]

Respectfully, stop stealing everything.

PLEASE?

[exotic temple]

I haven’t noticed anything but I swapped a bunch of stuff around on my build so it’s might have still just been a net positive.

[exotic temple]

We don’t take stims or ammo so all the grenades are ours. That seems fair to me

[old eagle]

Ahh, okay. So the ammo thieving isn't from anyone I'd find here?

[exotic temple]

Yeah we have infinite ammo with pickpocket and desperado if they are stealing ammo they are being wankers

[final temple]

I steal ammo anyways just to make the pigs mad.

[hallow socket]

PUKE NUKEM FINAL FORM - darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0e46c07-a207-4bc8-9cc0-7f64782134f1/puke-nukem-melee-hybrid-desperado-explosive

[leaden fable]

Hive scum also arguably gets the most mileage from a grenade pickup due to how powerful they are

Arby shock mine is the only real contender

[near mauve]

nah bro we all know sunstorm granades are the true meta

[exotic temple]

For sure rpg or tox bomb are probably over tuned and you get 4 with the right talents.

[hallow socket]

It's the Shock mine Arbies with dogs ya gotta watch. The lone wolf solo regenerate nades like vets.

[near mauve]

taking dog and mine is kickworthy behavior

[hallow socket]

Lol I was levelling up my mates Arby like that I think it was level 15 from memory.

Proper stooge move

Today

Got it to level 15 being a stooge

Don't worry guys I'll change his to the dog Regen thing I'm not that much of a dick.

Felt that way with an Oggy build and those single frags. Weighing it up in my head a hivver on our team would benefit way more so I went Rock lol.

The patched Big Boomer is basically that and you can get 4.

Oh another good one having Gunslinger Improved or Vets Survivalist aura to be spawned into a match with 3 full mage Psykers.

[compact oyster]

vro how

[near mauve]

you're competing for pickups when u can regen

also losing out on infinite doge bomba

[compact oyster]

sorry chudler but im stunning the horde

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1140846909314052188/1170639027079217243/attachment-3.gif

[near mauve]

just press f chuddie

[astral canyon]

Another speech bubble gif for my collection

Yoink

[spice cloud]

What?

If you dont run lonewolf with nades u are a lost soul.

[spice cloud]

Survivalist will still be good tho.

[main trellis]

Don’t mock them; they do provide

[near mauve]

dont like em

i want all zealot nades to be throwables that regen

[spice cloud]

Honestly sunstorm deserves a regen.

And flame nade.

[near mauve]

just turn both into throwables

[spice cloud]

People would actually use em.

[near mauve]

similar to blinders

and throwing knives

[spice cloud]

Yeah

I mean i do like sunstorms i just dont like taking the nades.

[astral canyon]

Same

[spice cloud]

If my team wants em too.

[rotund agate]

tbh, I haven't played arby in a looonng time. scum is more fun, even if unreliably...

if I wanted to play a tankier character, I would play ogryn, because arby is a bit too tanky for my tastes... (idk if that is still the case tho)

[near mauve]

ogryn is as tanky

[astral canyon]

I dont like how long it takes for the stunstorm to detonate after you switch back to your melee tho

[near mauve]

u can also just skip a lot of tanky nodes on arbi if you're feeling spicy

[spice cloud]

I gotta say as an ogryn main arby just has less downides to his tankyness.

[near mauve]

arbi just benefits from being human sized

with dodge linger

[spice cloud]

Exactly

[hallow socket]

Aye the regen

[near mauve]

ogryn is still cracked
i see all these "ogryn is le bad now" as if anything drastically changed in his tree lmao

he's still busted

u just gotta play him right cause u cant just spam bleed lights anymore

[spice cloud]

I alse think ogryn is very powerfull

U just need good movement really

[near mauve]

just take bullrush

[spice cloud]

And be good at dodging

[near mauve]

the goat

[spice cloud]

I prefer the taunt now

[near mauve]

taunt is stronger but bullrush is so much fun

[spice cloud]

Its nice to countercharge the plogryn

[hallow socket]

Explosive Bolt Pistol Close Proximity with 20% damage against stagger or 100% weak spot damage with the Hivver?

[astral canyon]

Stagger

[spice cloud]

Explosive bistol is kind of funny with desperado.

I honestly think its not that bad.

[astral canyon]

Its hood voidblast

As someone else put it

[spice cloud]

Yeah kinda

It felt stupidly easy honestly i just spammed it and everything fell over and i never run out

[hallow socket]

I have the stagger one

[spice cloud]

Go commit unspeakable atrocities upon the heretics.

[leaden fable]

I see very few arbies taking lone wolf honestly

[hallow socket]

My build is Melee Desperado

[leaden fable]

grenade regen is great with the shock mines tho for sure

[hallow socket]

I played alot of lone wolf now I'm leaning in dog builds lately for some reason.

I'm not posting Arby builds on here as the cartel knows where I live. But there is a fun one with nades since someone mentioned it earlier called Axe Cop.

Love me chem nades like the new boom bringer is righteous I just suffer without the control of it.

The puddle

Of dankness

[exotic temple]

I blame Mr.e. I watched the video yes there are some things that could be fixed but I think a lot of his complaints came down to skill issues

[hallow socket]

Bully build with that toughness keystone go brr

Or sniper

[near mauve]

ive watched him play ogryn and everytime it was the bully club light bleed spam build

brain off m1 gaming

[hallow socket]

Reckon the Oggys best niche is he knocks enemies over from dodging.

[near mauve]

ogryn's best niche is he bullies ragers and maulers hordes like they're common trash