hivescum-class

[tropic crag]

yeah sure that makes sense, probably add parentheticals to make it fancy

yeah i was saying if they got that wrong i wouldn't trust it

[livid raven]

like, inspiring barrage is already bad

imagine if it only boosted coherency regen instead of flat toughness

[tropic crag]

theres alot of weird youtubers/streamers who say things... or people get confused because dt is convoluted even to people who know how it works

[modest patio]

This seem fine? Grab some shivs and a needle gun?

[lilac ermine]

I use shredder so should I take inspoiring barrage over other blessings

[livid raven]

why

you got two amazing damage/strenght blessings

[tropic crag]

think thats close to my box and chem dep build at a quick squint

[modest patio]

I was using it with the Taxe, but Taxe didn't feel as good as I'd like. figured I'd give shivs a try.

[lilac ermine]

Is 15% close range damage more worth than the extra cleave on kills

[modest patio]

I think so for Taxe/shivs, but im no expert

[tropic crag]

i run it with bonesaw

[livid raven]

maybe remove weakspot damage too for hyperviolence?

[lilac ermine]

Oh yea hyper violence goood

[tropic crag]

depends on the weapon tbh... and the player with how they like to attack because some people won't mind less cleave outside of h40 stuff

oh yeah i didn't even see hyper violence was missing lol

[lilac ermine]

I do like the weakspot for shivs it rlly adds alot of dmg

[exotic temple]

I would say just try it for a game. If i understand the blessing properly it should basically work like pv for ranged weapons but its % mag spent vs hits

[modest patio]

this was my thought

[lilac ermine]

Oki

[tropic crag]

you shouldn't leave hyperviolence out tho, its such a good damage boost

[modest patio]

Hm, need to just get more points. Lv 40 when

[exotic temple]

I would test it but I’m stuck in the middle of the ocean for another couple weeks

[tropic crag]

honestly the struggle of making a scum build is that there is too many good nodes

[modest patio]

this is why I came here lol. I was prertty sure I didnt take any bad nodes, but probably not the best nodes XD

[tropic crag]

the true dark tide experience

[lilac ermine]

Probably get rid of the close range damage for hyperviolence

Cleave can be added later if you feel like your not cleaving through alot of enemies

[exotic temple]

Yeah I know

[modest patio]

bring back old Bromentum.

[fallen crypt]

Whats the difference on modes on the bonesaw/needle pistol?

[fallen crypt]

Thanks what the kraking hell does that mean

[austere coyote]

bonesaw is toxin/brittleness, needle pistol depends on mark
one pistol the alt mode makes enemies explode, the other makes the dot propagate when they die

[dreamy rover]

Anyone else sometimes have the urge to send a rocket back at a sniper that has been trying to shoot you for too long?

[woeful hill]

Check pins for needler pistol mark difference. Unsure myself about bonesaw

[dim moth]

Bonesaw purple mode has much higher damage per swing, and instead applies brittleness (reduces enemy armor, only really effective against crushers) on hit instead of chem toxin

[light phoenix]

How's Vigil Auto on Scum? Thinking if the reduced recoil and spread talent can help hipfire

[worn portal]

infantry auto is great

you can run pretty fast spraying and praying, the others seem pretty meh

braced aint bad

[bronze glade]

I don’t think there’s much synergy but ofc it’d work

Because HIV is strong

[worn portal]

AIDS?

whats hiv?

Is it easier to play melee zealot or hivescum? I find infantry autogun hivescum pretty easy to use, but I struggle with melee build. eventually theres one fight where I misjudge and it snowballs to crap

Trying to get better at melee mechanics. I see zealots clutching all the time

[tropic crag]

getting good at melee is core to the game tbh

[drifting heron]

If you compare zealot to melee scum zealot is much easier

[undone wasp]

Thats my main complaint about the game is that all of the newer plays fall into the noob trap of spamming ranged and insta go down in melee

[drifting heron]

If you compare zealot to ranged scum scum is much easier

[worn portal]

ok maybe good is understatement - get freaken cracked

Im currently capping out around H23 or so, but Im not carrying the team or anything.

[spark gyro]

Methinks it's a mix of fear of melee mechanics and certain things that incentivize them to play ranged, like talents that exclusively work for ranged or some imported concept from other games, like how people sometimes would call the psyker the "mage" of the game

[mighty belfry]

Zealot has more raw survivability.

[spark gyro]

As a result you might have people who build thinking they know what the classes do because they saw something similar in another game

[tropic crag]

yeah its def partially people not realizing how core melee is to everything

[spark gyro]

Fortunately people warmed up a lot more to the idea of melee on vet and psyker

Not that ranged zealot will ever be a thing, apparently

RIP sainted gunslinger

Born to tax node, cursed to shit rework

[dim moth]

fuck it zealot keystone that juices their ranged damage to the moon and comes with melee damage penalty

terrible design go

[spark gyro]

Now that I think of it, ranged scum might play like what I'd imagine ranged zealot as

[tropic crag]

give zealot a gun that shoots chainswords

[spark gyro]

Close range magdump maniac

Oh, but make the gun rev and lock the camera to the enemy

[tropic crag]

i can agree to these terms

[spark gyro]

Zealot ranged weapon

Alternatively

The latter can be achieved by duct-taping a selfie stick to a chainsword

Grimdark.

[tropic crag]

nice thing about the zealot using a ryobi is that all their other power tools will use the same battery

even the shop vac

[modest patio]

What shiv blessings? Precog Riposte? Uncanny and Riposte?

[dim moth]

uncanny riposte yeah

or riposte+flesh tearer if you like meme builds

[modest patio]

nah lol, just wasn't sure if I wanted uncanny or Precog for that spot

[vapid jungle]

I like riposte and then precog/uncanny depending on how im feeling. Nerfed uncanny doesnt feel as mandatory.

[eager reef]

run haymaker is you like EXTREMELY meme builds

[vapid jungle]

That haymaker hypercritical build ryken posted is a deep fried meme

[eager reef]

but it's also super fun

[vapid jungle]

Oh yea I love deep fried memes!

[eager reef]

it did fine in H20 so im enjoying it

no idea past that i wont play over 20. that's my hard limit on fun

[mighty belfry]

Flesh tearer uncanny

It's a meme.

Except it's not actually.

[eager reef]

triple barrel shotgun is a meme but also not

[tropic crag]

every time i've tried to make a meme build on scum it just also isn't

[keen timber]

It’s not a meme at all. It’s just a genuinely powerful build

[broken relic]

How long does the brittleness coating effect last and does it persist if you switch coatings?

Like can something be affected by the brittleness and chem toxin at the same time?

[bronze glade]

Not very long

[bronze glade]

Yes

Brittleness will fall off quickly unless you have a needle gun to quickly stack tox too

If you’re relying on saw for both brittleness and tox just forget it

[low harbor]

5.0s
persists

but brittleness doesn't do that much for chemtox

[jaunty sail]

good hive scum doesnt need survivability because you dont die if you are good

hive scum IS survival

[final temple]

‘good player doesn’t need survivability because you don’t die if you are good’.

I don’t think that is relevant for the assessment

[mighty belfry]

Ya. Why would that change what I said?

[jaunty sail]

i know

i am scumming

ther real hive scum gameplay is friends you unmake along the way

[dire badge]

Me playing this leaf in the wind type class
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/cZkzjjHxfMM

[autumn viper]

Hi does the stimm crate with maxed out CDR effect my team as in a buff for self?

[dim moth]

yeah the entire point of stimm crate is that it affects your team

[autumn viper]

Oh nice so I’ll be giving them cdr awesome

[autumn viper]

Thank you

[final temple]

your stimms are technically less potent than the pickup ones but more versatile. so if you want to get the maximum out of the supply crate, you HAVE to max out your stimm. CDR by itself is nice but give them a second branch to really make it worthwhile touching your buff box

[elfin root]

hello people, anyone have any idea of the actual damage of the boom bringeR?

cause it one shots auric crushers with 6400hp so i have no idea how much damage it can do.

[near relic]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3586590987

[elfin root]

uhhh

2800 basedamage ig

[autumn viper]

Thank you that’s what I’m doing currently second branch with options of crit or finesse and first branch 25% cdr

[robust minnow]

Does anyone have an 80% damage Mk I shivs in front of them atm? Just wondering what that damage stat is.

I currently have a damage-dumped set of shivs, am wondering if I should find another one that dumps Mobility instead.

60% damage is 91/194. If 80% is only a couple more points I'll live with it.

[fast surge]

Just dump mobi. Damage dump is almost never the play

The difference in 60vs80 Mobi is miniscule

[main wagon]

^

[unreal stirrup]

damage dump on needler

[slim mesa]

Finally, I managed to finish the fricken 2800% shield regen penance

Literal nightmare

[rough peak]

I just used a pox gas mission with starting it right before it got removed from the board. I got 1300% in like 10-20 minutes easily then x.x

It's kinda funny how you can do some penances easily cause of the mission not accepting players anymore

[exotic temple]

Did you get a chance to try ib?

[wanton zephyr]

whats a good blessing for shivs?

[livid raven]

uncanny strike

[wanton zephyr]

what does rending do?

[livid raven]

increases the weapon's penetration against every type of armor

[wanton zephyr]

and i have no clue what weak spots are on enemies, is it just the head?

[livid raven]

mostly the head

it's the head for everyone except beast of nurgle, which also has a weakspot on the back

[wanton zephyr]

i see, what would be a second choice?

[livid raven]

Riposte maybe

[wanton zephyr]

are crits the same as weak point hits?

[livid raven]

no

crits are random (unless forced by another ability)

the chance for them to happen depends on the crit chance given by the weapon's innate crit chance, your talents, your class innate crit chance and blessings

[wanton zephyr]

do you get better stims later on?

and i dont know what viscocity means in terms of stims

[livid raven]

viscosity is the amount of cooldown for your stim

[wanton zephyr]

can i get skills to lower the cooldown later on?

and also increase volume

[livid raven]

yeah, every 5 levels you get uhh 2 points? to use on your stimm tree and your cooldown is reduced

at lv 30, 5 stimm points used = 45s cooldown for your stimm, 10 = 75s

at low level it's pretty bad tho and maybe not even worth running one

[wanton zephyr]

but whats the positives of NOT running one

i thought it was just some extra buffs

[livid raven]

you can use normal stims you find in the map

using a custom stim means you can't use or pick them up

[wanton zephyr]

oh so you cant with the skill?

oh

is there no regeneration

in the hive scum stim

i only see toughness regen

[livid raven]

what do you mean with regeneration

[wanton zephyr]

hp regen like the health one

[willow violet]

that would be stupidly op

[livid raven]

no class ever had and most likely never will have hp regen

[wanton zephyr]

later on whats a good stim build, like a mixed one?

[livid raven]

popular stimm builds are:

• 5 CD/5 Strength / 5 Agility
• 5 CD and 5 Strength/5 Agility
• 5 Strength and 5 Agility

[wanton zephyr]

wheres agility?

[livid raven]

depends on your build really

[wanton zephyr]

attack speed?

[livid raven]

i say agility but i mean attack speed yeah

[wanton zephyr]

i kinda wanna go fast and be aggressive

or i would support the team

i might go stimm supply in the skill tree

[spice cloud]

I just go full strenght plus attack speed for crate and strenght cdr for the rest.

[livid raven]

shouldn't you go full cd for crate right now

[spice cloud]

Yeah can do too

[astral canyon]

strength and attack speed is more fun

[spice cloud]

Depends what i want

Cdr is not necessary to get below 60 s.

But it sure helps to get the crate out more often.

But attack speed and atun resist are very nice too.

[astral canyon]

i prefer fervor for the extra movement speed

[spice cloud]

I like stun res a lot if i run the bonesaw with crate.

[indigo sedge]

daily reminder emperor loves you insane stim addicts

[main trellis]

Stun immune for everyone on the team for 15s is huge

[exotic temple]

It would be funny if it turned out the guy making the stims was basilio fo… did he ever have an end to his story arc?

[nova valley]

I am sorry, who?

[exotic temple]

Guy in end and the death that made the virus that kills astartes. Thought to be terminus decree for a while. He cloned himself into Xanthus’s body and went on to be a founding inquisitor

Doesn’t have a confirmed kia and he knows how to transfer his consciousness into new bodies ala Fabius Bile

[dreamy rover]

Quite a bit of mia characters in lore. Is something big gonna happen?

[lilac ermine]

No

[livid raven]

something big was going to happen for the last like 20 years

[exotic temple]

I’m curious because I vividly remember stuff that never happened and while I’ve used ib in the past, I could have misremembered it.

[muted pivot]

Rending can help with DAPsperado

[exotic temple]

Me likely rending with iag

[lilac ermine]

Whats ib

[exotic temple]

Inspiring barrage

[lilac ermine]

I think it do work but ppl say it works way better in coherency so idk how that plays a part

And this person says use 90% toughness regen curioshttps://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/12c9g3g/inspiring_barrage_is_amazing_how_to_make_it_work/

[upbeat gyro]

3 years ago things were wildly different

[devout folio]

Hi. Any suggestions for needle pistol blessings?

[dire badge]

run n gun and theo ne that makes u immune from bullets hwile spritning above half stam

[devout folio]

what about the perks? im aiming for toxin build. was wondering if it's a good idea to focus on crushers by going carapace + unyielding. they are extreamly annoying in havoc with rotten armor

[bronze glade]

prob cara unyielding, but only if you have your gun out while the tox ticks

otherwise the perks do nothing

and you might as well run +stam or something instead

[muted pivot]

Unyielding reload speed maybe

The reload on the Needle is very obnoxious, especially if you weave in blues

Possibly crit chance but idk tbh

[dire badge]

is it jsut me or is backstabbing talent rly good

[lilac ermine]

Cara unyielding on both your weapons so ticks always count 😎

[zenith fern]

i tried a while ago and is okay

[final temple]

I recommend uny/reload.

[zenith fern]

Scum does not have much benefits for backstab hits compared to zealot

[muted pivot]

Shivs get throwing shivs from backstab kills right?

That's not bad

[astral canyon]

yeah but you already get them from specialist and elite kills

[zenith fern]

Yeah

Throw two shivs to a crusher and you replenish them all already

[dire badge]

yeah but the dmg form backstab tlaent is ionsane

[spark gyro]

has anyone tested if the combat blade is comparable damage wise to the dual shivs?

[final temple]

it is.

[dire badge]

whats the difference between the tow?

[lavish forge]

Braced or inf autogun

[final temple]

IAG seems to be more popular, vraks iirc

[lavish forge]

Im asking bc that seems to be the case, but also scum has a hipfire/braced bonus and iag has ironsights

[spark gyro]

The agri IAG manages to have good hipfire, but I don't remember how the other two behave

For the BAGs, even the agri was honestly awful to hit anything with

[livid raven]

i implore you to not use any braced autogun

there is no reason not to use the vraks if you are using an iag

also it's just kinda strange how the brauto with the highest firerate is still slower than the vraks if you don't brace and has the same firerate if you do (but still way lower damage)

[spark gyro]

Wait, bracing changes the fire rate?

I mean, it's a Fatshark game, why wouldn't it

https://tenor.com/view/car-car-garn47-garn47-kitty-cat-gif-216082757115251999

[astral canyon]

its like a BAR

full auto and fuller auto

[livid raven]

for some ungodly reason, agri brauto turns from lameass gun to knockoff vraks iag if you brace, yeah

[robust minnow]

Ok so I asked this once before when ganger was new, but now that it's been a bit, does the Damage stat on the needle pistol affect the DoT, or just the initial shot?

[woeful hill]

Only the impact damage

Like zealot flamer

[robust minnow]

?!

[livid raven]

what do you mean ?!, nothing has changed since you last asked

weren't you told the same

[robust minnow]

No it's not that

the zealot flamer damage stat surprised me

[livid raven]

also for the flame staff

[robust minnow]

...huh

[lilac ermine]

Guys I was using combat blade and it seems really slow heavies compared to shivs I thought it was fast

Am I using it wrong

I tried both marks of it

[robust minnow]

Anyhow, other ganger question: I've got Flesh Tearer on my shivs and the Coated Weaponry perk, but when I crit I only ever see the tox damage. Are both DoTs going off, or does tox override bleed?

[woeful hill]

Dots stack

Just hard to see without mods

[robust minnow]

Ok good.

[lilac ermine]

Riposte or precognition on shivs

Riposte + uncanny strike or precognition + uncanny strike

[woeful hill]

Both

[lilac ermine]

Oh so not uncanny strike then?

[woeful hill]

Depending a bit on your build

And if you are able to proc the dodge blessings

[lilac ermine]

Melee rampage scum or melee box scum

[woeful hill]

Coated weaponry just about invalidates uncanny

[lilac ermine]

Why how

[woeful hill]

Cause of the 0.9 adm to cara plus shivs have tknives

And it's a weaker uncanny not say it's not strong just not worth in my experience

[livid raven]

i don't really feel uncanny strike on shivs

[woeful hill]

But I don't know how you play

[lilac ermine]

Wouldnt it be 40% rending as long as keeping the stacks up

[woeful hill]

I get alot more from the synergy of Riposte precog

[lilac ermine]

Ok I can try it

I like finesse damage alot

I just felt like hive scum has alot of crits already

But not sure my crit rate

[woeful hill]

10 base, 12.5 shiv. 20 butterfly. 20 Riposte. 15-20 dependency, 5 grey node

In my solos every attack in combat is a crit

I love getting around 90% crit

[lilac ermine]

And gang tough

10% crit

[woeful hill]

Send a picture of that

Don't remember that talent

[lilac ermine]

oh wait nvm

This node gives crit

[woeful hill]

Crit node, I forgot

87.5% crit sounds nice

[lilac ermine]

On most builds I see they dont take the maxed out chems

Also why is chemical dependency keystone so bad without any keystone modifiers 😔

[woeful hill]

It's not

[mighty belfry]

I think it's worth to DoT max on rotten armor really

But that's about it

Otherwise I don't really think uncanny is all that needed on shivs

[woeful hill]

Uncanny doesn't help tox

It's 0.9 cara adm

[mighty belfry]

It's to have both flesh tearer and tox

Normally, it's a worse build than just going for raw damage with blessings but for rotten armor specifically, bleed build actually helps quite a bit, even if it's for a cheesy reason.

[woeful hill]

But it's shivs you already have the best dot

[mighty belfry]

Doesn't hurt to have both against the enemy type that has DR that DoTs ignore

[woeful hill]

I still don't see bleed doing anything compared to a coated weapon shiv into rot

I guess

But you lose a lot of single target damage without precog riposte

[mighty belfry]

You do. But for the extra consistency specifically for rotten, I think it's worth taking.

In any other case though, I'd say anything else is better.

[exotic temple]

If you have 60-70 % crit already you get more mileage out of precog

[mighty belfry]

It's not better overall. It solely works because of how Rotten ignores DoTs so you have a line of damage ticking to cut their DR down.

[spark gyro]

Yo, we're just going back to Warframe, where one of the elements that dealt with heavy armour was toxin

Life is a cycle

Though I'm sort of glad I don't need to use uncanny, at least for that

This reminds me I need to check the caparace ADMs on the damage table next time I log in

[fast surge]

is knife movement the zoren copter of darktide

[spark gyro]

Nah, that might be scum using increased dodge distance to slingshot off of a staircase

[lavish forge]

Not worth it compared to more RATATATATTATATATATATAT

[final temple]

toxin? what is this? 2018? we use viral heat and just dgaf

[spark gyro]

back in my days the homies did corrosive

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-gif-4679601

[final temple]

corrosive was good for pushing 1k against grineer

but viral heat even worked against them

plus corrosive is shit against corpus

[spark gyro]

I remember there being this thing about viral lowering their health and making the armor matter less indirectly

because the grineer were like an armor bar on top of a health bar instead of a shield bar plus a health bar like the corpus

wacky game

[final temple]

viral bypasses armor and heat reduces health

[spark gyro]

oh, they changed some stuff

I remember heat just being a DoT

[final temple]

yeah, relatively recently. and that isnt even the current state. some stuff changed since last I played

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Damage

[spark gyro]

I started before 2.0, how the flies time

[elfin root]

Dosent heat reduce armor?

Yeah heat reduces armor

[elfin root]

Viral increases health damage taken.
Which makes it more efficient for grineer cause they have no shield just armor

But some get to like 90% damage resist from armor so corrosive works better

Cause viral has a max of x4 damage.

[buoyant edge]

melee build cosmetics, hows it lookin?

[lilac ermine]

Have to path to it in gun build anyway

[past trench]

Third week of new cosmetics : still no Hive scum

And those Deathstroke ass looking outfits

At least they come in other colors

[dim moth]

ye viral makes health take up to...300% more damage iirc

[final temple]

apparently I did play long enough ago to totally jumble what the element types do xD

[brittle sierra]

DOOTDOOTSOOODODODODO

BRRRAAATTTTTT

[dim moth]

well they did also get fully reworked somewhat recently with Jade Shadows

[final temple]

yeah, I recall hearing that but didnt look into it

[dim moth]

honestly probably the best state of balance they've ever been in too

every element is useful for something except for Radiation and Impact

[low harbor]

Almost done with 100 hvs missions

I think I’m gonna bench this class for quite a while lol

[mighty belfry]

Yeah I finally started branching out to other classes recently

After playing hive scum religiously for a while lol

[low harbor]

I did like 50 missions playing shiv chemist

Burnout is insane

[final temple]

understandable.

[bronze glade]

Imagine if those 50 games were bonesaw chemist

[low harbor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[brittle sierra]

Havocs are kinda insane with scum

[low harbor]

I alrdy don’t want to play hvs anymore

[brittle sierra]

Just one shot everything with rampage

[low harbor]

Yea hypercrit op

[deft gust]

anyone got a general use HS build that's less specialized

[brittle sierra]

Just do either crate or rampage scum

[near relic]

Wot's your melee scum build? Still using both hypers?

I have been doing something like this.

[low harbor]

Yea

[low harbor]

I think smiter is better for adrenaline tbh

[main trellis]

i would just use adrenaline durration & toughness regain for it; rest is oof cause downsides (also 4s durration on each stack is not needed obv)

[near relic]

I've popped back and forth between smiter and the weakspot one. The downside of smiter is just 1v1ing bosses.

[main trellis]

thats why its oof especially if you consider the fact you are constantly facing enemies so you acumulate stacks fast anyways - no need to do it faster for a downside

[spark gyro]

If you're using a crit weapon, you can get some pretty neat results without needing another point in the weakspot modifier

I think the worst part of the weakspot one is it killing the body stacks

[bronze glade]

The weakspot one is nearly a sidegrade

It’s truly awful

Smiter is a big upgrade in comparison

[bronze glade]

Yeah I think it’d actually be ok if it didn’t

[near relic]

Fair points all

[low harbor]

If u run 20s frenzy you usually don’t feel that downside much if at all

[near relic]

Fair

[brittle sierra]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a07a0cea-46de-4afb-ba97-8ed478d8603e/professional-crack-dealer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[spark gyro]

The main thing about the weakspot one to me is how enemies have different heights and certain weapons with sweep attacks have them diagonal instead of horizontal

[brittle sierra]

You need weakspot for Rashad to hit breakpoints

[spark gyro]

It's also kind of annoying to hit the bosses on the head, while just hitting or critting relies less on aim

[brittle sierra]

I know it's cringe

[spark gyro]

The weakspot modifier for adrenaline

[brittle sierra]

Oh

Nah kill em all

[spark gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/kill-people-gif-25984064

[final temple]

why does this crack dealer deal no crack?

[brittle sierra]

ICE agents after him 😔

[final temple]

this is buildslopnameslop

[brittle sierra]

Nah it has 0 up votes

Automatically a good guide

[final temple]

build doesnt do what name suggests

its bait

[zealous ravine]

qualityslop

[astral canyon]

Slopslop

[zealous ravine]

sloptide

[final temple]

baitslop

[astral canyon]

So true bestie

[zealous ravine]

yummy sludge

[final temple]

sludgebait

[zealous ravine]

rareslop

[astral canyon]

commonslop

[wanton zephyr]

whats a good blessing to invest my blessing points in for dual autopistols and stub pistols

[astral canyon]

Blaze away, pinning fire and speedloader for dual autopistols

[wanton zephyr]

what do the numbers mean on like damage its [30/78]%

for example

[forest willow]

First number: Current stat
Second number: Maximum stat when upgraded

80 is the max a stat can roll

[wanton zephyr]

how do i roll it?

[forest willow]

Aquire the gun. Wait till you hit level 30 and then buy the gun from the armory until you get the stats you want

[wanton zephyr]

so if its like 80/80 that means its a maxed out

[forest willow]

You want the "dump" stat to be maxxed at 60

[wanton zephyr]

dump?

[forest willow]

Correct, but when you buy from the armory it will be grey so has to be upgraded to fill it out

[wanton zephyr]

oh so i just find the highest max roll and then just upgrade it at the omnisiah shrine

[forest willow]

The stat deemed the least impactful for the weapon. 99% of the time its mobility or defense

[wanton zephyr]

so i dont buy weapons wtih mobility or defense?

[forest willow]

Yeah those stats aint great. Mobility barely has an impact between 60 and 80 and defense is just sorta dogwater

So when you hit 30 swing by the requisition menu and buy greys till you get one with a 60 in the desired dump stat

[wanton zephyr]

i see

i get better items at level 30 right?

im lvl 8 currently and all the items are kind of bad

[forest willow]

Hive Scum has a rough start compared to others

Trust the process

[wanton zephyr]

not sure what build i should take

honestly new to the game in general the most i have on a class is level 16

[forest willow]

The one you enjoy the most

[wanton zephyr]

i see

[forest willow]

That being said, the chem-side isnt easy to do until you have all the skill points 30 gives you

[wanton zephyr]

im trying to level it up to craft stims

but im not using stims currently

[wanton zephyr]

at what level should i start using stimms

i have currently 15 volume at level 10

[bronze glade]

If you can fill out one prong completely

It’s worth

[upbeat gyro]

Looks almost identical to mine, guess that build is solid

[final temple]

or… both are dogshit. what then?!

[upbeat gyro]

Well.. ive been playing Desperado over it anyway as more fun

[broken relic]

What causes the fast reload with the stub pistols?

I keep seeing one with a spin and a faster one without, but I don't know if it's random or triggered by something

[bronze glade]

buffs to reload speed?

[broken relic]

It's a seperate animation

One has the guns spin and load both mags at once, the other is one mag at a time

[bronze glade]

parts of animation will be skipped if your reload speed is fast enough

[broken relic]

That might be it then

[woeful hill]

could be split animation, where you do half the animation switch weapon then switch back to finish the 2nd part

[broken relic]

Maybe

[astral canyon]

Pretty sure this is it

[flat mist]

least impactful damage stat on shivs so i can max mobility (memes)?

[trim wind]

no

[bronze glade]

dewit

[feral basalt]

what do you guys think is the worst weapon for hivescum because if feel like it's the heavy sword as I am trying to max out all the weapon levels

[drifting heron]

Heavy sword is disgusting on scum

With a full melee build you can do some truly stupid shit

[feral basalt]

I am full melee and if feels like other weapons at best but that might just be me or it might be better in normal missions. I have been playing the wave mode to level up weapons

[bronze glade]

i haven't really enjoyed hsword on hiv tbh

but worse weapon?

prob cbar

[drifting heron]

What are you running on it

And are you using Hyperviolence

[feral basalt]

let me check

no

[drifting heron]

First

[feral basalt]

I was honestly confused by it's wording

[drifting heron]

Not running hyperviolence on a melee build is basically a sin

Second

Its especially bad to not run when you have a bromentum weapon

[drifting heron]

Takes 25% of your overkill and adds it to the next hit

[feral basalt]

oh okay makes scenes now and I have been able to cluth without it so maybe I will do even better

[drifting heron]

And with a weapon that can ignore cleave for 4 kills if they're 1 shot headshots (which includes cleaving carapace!!!!!) it becomes monstrous

[feral basalt]

I'm kind of weird and like also do damage over time affects so that might help when I take those in the wave mode but also may not be why I like the weapon as much as I love bleed damage and the bonesaw's posion

but thank you for helping me with that change and I am going to test it

[drifting heron]

Relies on running Deathblow on your weapon

Any rank will do

[elfin root]

I have desperado build a try

Its so much cooler and fun to run around with guns

[drifting heron]

Desperado is funny but I wouldn't play it for more than a match or 2 in a row

[zenith fern]

And getting yourself killed more

[feral basalt]

I like melee more just because I played a lot of vermintide and it's why I tried darktide then why I have 40k and sigma armies

[zenith fern]

When you play desperado your trigger finger is always on

There's no melee option

Keep shotting at all ranges and kill teammates and yourself with bursters

[elfin root]

Funnily enough, the vulture mark makes it so i take way less damage

[elfin root]

Knives kinda work well as a last resort.

[elfin root]

I got trusty kronk the ogryn who takes care of bursters

[fast wind]

I find the ranged immunity makes desperado feel very tanky, the thing that melts me on other classes is occasions where theres overwhelming gunners, so desperado works well for me

[uneven plinth]

melee options seem entertaining on this class but ranged seems stronger

[next cedar]

Desperado is suboptimal in havoc if rotten armor modifier is active

other than that it's good

but the custom medkit is better in havoc with a optimized set up giving the team a buff for corruption immunity full runs at 100% uptime

[verbal dew]

gunners in general are p manageable on scum because of nimble and jittery

like most of my desperado builds don't involve me sprinting

[limber cradle]

Ranged doesn't require a lot of input to be comically broken, melee still wants you to kinda play the game ime

[dire badge]

If you run melee you obviously bring needler fent gun. Because blessings don't matter you bring run n gun and the blessing that makes you immune to range while sprinting above 50% stamina.

Then bring plus two stamina perk and then reload speed or carpaxe and boom, ranged ain't even a threat for you. Killed the heretics between you and the 20 gunners? Swap to the gun and sprint at them at a leisurely pace

[fast wind]

emotional support gun

[verbal dew]

the funniest thing about melee scum is that I've just resorted to side dodging towards all my enemies instead of relying on ranged

because of nimble and jittery

[dire badge]

Me too lol. The gun really is for oh shit moments or to dump into a far away gunner hoard

[verbal dew]

needle takes too long anyway for short to mid range

just get in their face instead

[dire badge]

Mmhm unless it's a pack of handsome heretics cladded in armor.

Or a boss

Even with boss i just keep the stacks of fent up with shivs special attack

[verbal dew]

I never remember to use that

it isn't in my marrow like knives on zealot

[dire badge]

Useful for the one isolated special or annoying ugly trash nome special homeless gunner mob

I'm tempted to try combat knife vut idk difference between shives and knife

[verbal dew]

bleed

and finesse on PA

which is insane

mk6

[dire badge]

They die to fast for that to matter and I have fent for bosses

[verbal dew]

you get full rending as well

so toxin and bleed are much better

[dire badge]

Hmmmm but dodge count is still three instead of four like on shivs right?

[verbal dew]

they should have the same dodge counts

[dire badge]

hmmmmm okay okay I might try it out then just to see the options

I'm hard stuck havoc 30 rn so anything they might help I'll take 😔

[verbal dew]

I haven't done havoc since rotten armor and stims were introduced

i cba to grind up every reset

[dire badge]

Imo it's just really fun. If I try the other game modes there are a lot of moments in the game where there's nothing to do

[verbal dew]

I just play auric and auric maelstrom to get that experience

and I don't need to wait for the downtime of finding a havoc game

[dire badge]

Downtime is barely anything tbh, like maybe five or so minutes

Especially if you host your own havoc key. Then it speeds up alot

Also since I'm geeked out on resources havoc is the only real progressive system left

[main trellis]

H30 elo; where majority of the time its not your fault - its the teammates that are dog

[main trellis]

Havoc pilled

[limber cradle]

It's always my fault cause if I was better I would simply carry them.

[main trellis]

That to a degree unironically

[limber cradle]

Its my unironic viewpoint

If i was better I would simply not lose because I would be good enough to carry H40.

You can do that.

Its just very hard and takes awhile to get there.

[verbal dew]

I only have true survivor left in havoc, so I'm not in any rush

[latent belfry]

I don't blame anyone but myself if I can help it

It feels unproductive

Also don't ever wanna feel like I know everything about this game and can't improve anymore

[limber cradle]

I kinda lost all joy in playing havoc because Rot Armor forces me to play loadouts I do not want to play

[latent belfry]

Soon they'll listen to us.... Hopefully

[limber cradle]

And i could like, just be happy playing Elden Ring or tf2 lmfao

[verbal dew]

I'm kinda tempted to go fatmangus zealot once the modifiers stop being so ass

[main trellis]

Like what?
What builds are prevented?

[limber cradle]

I like running rampage melee scum with the .45s but if I'm maximizing results for Blight+Rot i run stimm crate which i find boring and needler which i find excessively boring.

Speaking of tf2, I should put some bodies on my new shotgun

[main trellis]

I don’t use needler for rot… rampage + blinders/rockets will be enough if skillful enough
As for blight; just get a zealot; more consistent & always active

[limber cradle]

Just get a zealot is easier said than done ime

[main trellis]

• zealot won’t be 1 shot like HS cause UD

[limber cradle]

I agree that you don't need needler for rot but I didn't say need tbf, I said maximizing results

[main trellis]

There are many zealots out there who play
When i was hosting stuff with blight they would just show up in Party Finder

[limber cradle]

I'm ngl

I've played nothing but ER for the past 2 weeks

So I can't really speak to havoc anecdotally rn

[main trellis]

ER?

[limber cradle]

Elden Ring

I got sick of rot

Then they added funny game crash combo

So i simply didn't open the game again

I play aurics very rarely but they're zzz tier

[woeful trellis]

i had a very successful rotten h40 run recently with a semi unconventional (in this day and age) team - ogrynheimer (but running rock instead of nades), crowbar + combat shotty scum with i think rampage + rockets, psword plasma krak vet, purg psyker

sure vet/psyker builds were still meta but i was pretty surprised at how well the scum handled themselves, not everyone is forced to play full meta to win

purg psyker is way too good in the current state of the game tho

[mighty belfry]

I'll be honest

any time i see a purge psyker

i just assume things are gonna go badly

like just tonight where the purge psyker died at like

the first five seconds of adversity on a havoc run lmao

[dire badge]

Dies to adversity? Lolll

[livid raven]

does penance progress count even if you fail a mission

[rough peak]

Pretty sure it does

[mighty belfry]

ye

unless it specifically entails not dying

[livid raven]

nice i can do dogass enhanced with no worries then

[uneven plinth]

hmmm dieing to adversity...dieversity......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hiversity

[elfin root]

Yknow if my friends didnt lag behind me or knew how to properly deal with crushers and maulters and gunners i would rin that

But i'e rather know i can kill akd save em

[halcyon cedar]

Guys, for melee shiv build, which node do you prefer: hyper-critical or hyper-violence? (for auric maelstrom difficulty and above)

[elfin root]

Hyper critical. You can 1 shot maulers

[halcyon cedar]

Do you target head or body?

[elfin root]

I kinda like hyperviolence but i dont see it doing much of a difference in the normal chaos of a game

[elfin root]

Head

And i run the backstab blessing

[halcyon cedar]

I was assuming critical for more light atk oriented build and violence for heavy atks

[elfin root]

Depends heavily on ur playstyle

I tend to light small enemies and heavy only the armored ones

[halcyon cedar]

Violence lets you one-shot crushers from time to time tho hmmm

[elfin root]

Just grab both lol

Actually no

[halcyon cedar]

There's no point taking both, since when you trigger critical it contributes nothing to violence

[elfin root]

Hyperviolence gets fucked by hypercrit

[halcyon cedar]

yeah

[livid raven]

it doesn't

[halcyon cedar]

According to Saint Kuli, it does

[livid raven]

you misread

[elfin root]

Either way rn imnhaving way more fun with desperado vulture mark rn

[livid raven]

yeah, you are still misreading, he is just saying an enemy instakilled by hypercrit doesn't give any hyperviolence benefit

in the same way leaving an enemy alive doesn't either

[halcyon cedar]

And that's exactly what I'm saying man

[livid raven]

yeah then hypercrit doesn't fuck hyperviolence over

melee builds run both even

[halcyon cedar]

Hmmm

Nah still couldn't find the extra point for taking both. The basic nodes are just too consistent

[livid raven]

well for one, pickpocket is after hypercritical

[halcyon cedar]

Yeah that puts hypercrit above violence when ammo hungry

[livid raven]

uh no you just take both

[uneven plinth]

is collateral or mobility dump for dual autos

[livid raven]

there is no reason not to

both are fine

[halcyon cedar]

These are my top nodes. Just couldn't give up any of them

Maaaaaaybe the shout stagger

[livid raven]

then you are doing something wrong in the bottom

is this adrenaline

[halcyon cedar]

No I'm running dependency

[muted pivot]

Huh, are the cleave nodes in the middle leg bad?

[spice cloud]

No they are good

[livid raven]

i'd sacrifice the sweet spot for hypercrit maybe

[spice cloud]

People just be fiending for pickpocket

[livid raven]

if you don't get pickpocket you can take battering strikes

[spice cloud]

Honestly get rid off attack speed and left side nodes and go middle

The attack speed perk isnt worth it anyway withou full stam curios.

[livid raven]

i would also avoid regained posture entirely

[wraith wagon]

Uh i got a problem, my hivescum seems ot automatically use his stim. I didnt even press the button to use it, just randomly uses it mid fights or just standing still. Already checked keybindings

[woeful trellis]

do you have mods like guarantee weapon swap or stuff like that?

[wraith wagon]

Yeah

[livid raven]

update them

[wraith wagon]

Gotta check now

[woeful trellis]

very generally speaking if your game is behaving weird the first thing to suspect is mods

[wraith wagon]

yeah still htesame

Do a couple of melee attacks and poof does it by itself

[woeful trellis]

try disabling mods and see if it still happens

[main trellis]

Don’t drop forges; its very good

[woeful trellis]

if it still does autostimm with 0 mods active, that's an actual bug that should be reported to fatshark

[night moon]

Chat, what's the Cartel Special ?

[main trellis]

If hes using rampage it is not needed; even on knife/shivs

Only for crate/despy hybrid builds

[main trellis]

Your special stimm

[night moon]

ooh

thanks

i thought it was the supply thingy

[wraith wagon]

Yeah it's still happening evena fter disabling

Very weird

Found the solution.. Mod : Auto broker stim.

[livid raven]

that's crazy

[upbeat gyro]

Your char just on deepend of addiction, injecting more unconsciously

[main trellis]

American simulator

[rough peak]

Is your stim button sticking and you don't know it?

That's all I can think of

[rough peak]

at least there was a solution

[rough peak]

I... I have no arguement against this other than that I don't do stims <.<

I do take meds for my adhd tho...

[upbeat gyro]

As an european, i can confess we have our addicts gone in the deepend here too in worrying numbers

[main trellis]

Maybe in ‚Great’ Brittain & France & Germany

But not everywhere

[livid raven]

europe doesn't have an opioid epidemic

[upbeat gyro]

Every big city certainly has em in numbers, maybe some prosperous low pop density rural areas have been mostly spared

[rough peak]

Luckily I live in a fairly small town, so I don't have to worry about running into addicts very often if ever

At least not ones that I know are addicts <.<

[upbeat gyro]

In such places, addicts where they are so few they probably keep it within their four walls and stay discreet

[rough peak]

Walmart had issues with people on drugs trying to rob them a while back, while they were open all night. They close at night now

[proud bobcat]

is practiced deployment worth taking

[rough peak]

depends on the cooldown of your stim I think

I know fast acting stimms is

[astral canyon]

Yes

[proud bobcat]

mines at 75secs

[astral canyon]

Specially if you have sample collector

[upbeat gyro]

Helps you instantly use your Stimm Supply with most benefits

[astral canyon]

Fast acting is pretty much mandatory for crate to even function

[rough peak]

Yeah

Otherwise you gotta stick in a small area twiddling your thumbs for the benefit

[proud bobcat]

so take both?

[astral canyon]

Yes

[upbeat gyro]

And skip boobies

[upbeat gyro]

All Stimm Supply builds pretty much take those two, only optional is booby trap and its pretty weak due the way it works so slowly and small area

[proud bobcat]

taking both means i wont be able to reach the chem dependancy keystone modifiers yet but thats fine

[rough peak]

Still leveling?

[astral canyon]

As long as you can reach sample collector

[proud bobcat]

at 25 rn

[upbeat gyro]

You dont need loose formation or pocket toxin

[proud bobcat]

was taking all the toxin nodes

[rough peak]

Also you have blessed stims?

Is blessed stims ever worth taking?

I only noticed cause of the 2 solid lines connecting to stimm supply

[upbeat gyro]

Your build will be lot better if you remove Loose, Pocket and Coated

[proud bobcat]

i do

[upbeat gyro]

And add instead Chem Dep, Chem Enhanced and Chem Fortified

[astral canyon]

Eh not really

[upbeat gyro]

You lose minimally on questionable not too strong talents while you gain +15% crit and 15% TDR and -30% CDR

[astral canyon]

+30% cdr

[proud bobcat]

does long lasting apply to the stimm effect from the crate

[astral canyon]

No

[upbeat gyro]

Well yeah depending on perspective, but its positive effect

[rough peak]

They could probably swap blessed stims to pocket toxin if they have blinders so they still get all the talents that you suggested

[proud bobcat]

can take that off too then

[rough peak]

pocket toxin is only really for blinders afaik tho

[dim moth]

also rocket launcher for havocs

[rough peak]

They're level 25

[dim moth]

okay well I didn't know that

so

[rough peak]

Fair

I can see the use in havoc tho

[proud bobcat]

blinders?

[rough peak]

left blitz

since it applies the 3 stacks on the blinder(blackout iirc for the upgrade name) explosion

[proud bobcat]

using chem nades

[astral canyon]

Pocket toxin is pointless on chem nades

[main trellis]

It is not weak; ppl want ‚here & now’ type shit & dunno how 2 strategize

Also CC cause it explodes

One main weakness of the class

[proud bobcat]

hows this

[main trellis]

Don’t use the far right node next to toxin mania
Its dogshit

[astral canyon]

The talents on the right arent worth imo

[dim moth]

also don't use toxin mania

even using bonesaw that thing is so useless

it's way too small of a number so it just doesn't amount to anything

[main trellis]

Bonus should be larger than 15%

[proud bobcat]

im using the rashad

[main trellis]

Even more of a no-no to toxin mania; you kill shit soo fast

[main trellis]

Also
Don’t skip the 25 toughness node before the abilities

[astral canyon]

I'd use the points to take these nodes

[dim moth]

oh with rashad just

easy money

[main trellis]

Feels better by looking at it already

[dim moth]

no hyper violence

very sad

[upbeat gyro]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0d16285-0fb3-41cf-aaf3-1bbf28bc5e3d/rashad-axe-scum

For reference if you wanna see my lvl 30 Rashad build

Granted its Rampage

But Stimm Supply works too

[proud bobcat]

i'll have a look after this run

[upbeat gyro]

Pick your own choices though while leveling and experiment and grab the penances

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3586590987

And this helps make right decisions without guesswork

[unique dagger]

Level up first my friend

Scum is pretty point constrained. Take the time to experiment

With individual talents and see what works for you

[proud bobcat]

rashad is just because its a weapon i have at 500

[astral canyon]

What blessings did you equip

[proud bobcat]

headtaker brutal momentum

[rough peak]

with mobility dumped?

[proud bobcat]

you bet

i do know some things that are shit

[rough peak]

Nice

[proud bobcat]

whats the difference between the needle pistol marks

[rough peak]

mk2 does 1 less stack of stuff on weakspot/crit and aoe explosions from the blue mode cause 1 stack of the stuff

mk6 does 1 more stack on crits/weakspots and doesn't do any from blue mode explosions

2 for the mk6 on crits and on weakspots, 1 for the mk2

If you use blue mode a lot the mk2 will probably give you more, if you almost never use blue mode then the mk6 is the way to go

[rough peak]

This gives more detailed info

[proud bobcat]

think i'll use the mk6

[muted pivot]

Random question, but can we crit against a void shield?

[rough peak]

I... don't know

probably

[muted pivot]

I noticed my Vraks is a lot slower than my DAPs into a captain's shield idk

Might be illusory memory

[rough peak]

guns aren't really good against normal void shields

[livid raven]

yeah they all suck

just switch to melee, still does better even if uninvested

[muted pivot]

Depends, I think my Desperado DAPs deal more damage than my shivs even with 2x bonus in mind

Just because DAPs are limited by accuracy on other targets, but a void shield has no weakspot zone to miss, and is generally so large you won't be totally missing it anyway

At the least, I would say DAPs overperform on voidshields compared to other ranged weapons

[low harbor]

Yes

[vapid jungle]

If you are using shivs use them vs the shield. Not your gun.

[upbeat gyro]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3367063781

[main trellis]

pickpocket needler build you mean

[upbeat gyro]

Well, only 1 point wasted so you can fall back into that too!

[muted pivot]

Huh, didn't know it was a 6x difference

Shows how strong DAPs are that they still do pretty good on the shield

[kind mist]

Most melee strikes reach damage cap on void shield with the multiplier, guns that shoot fast with high dps are effective.

[bronze glade]

ripper

[supple jasper]

does stopping power matter on the needle pistol

cant get a dmg roll

best ive got is 65% dmg and 75% stopping power

[amber sundial]

Only stat that matters is ammo and mobility

Other stats change like 1 whole dmg on needler

[supple jasper]

appreciate it. ive been waiting on the hour trying to get it one to refresh in the shop.

surprised that stopping power isnt the dump stat though.

[upbeat gyro]

It is also

[amber sundial]

Stability barely affects the weapon either

Since it’s only weapon sway %

[upbeat gyro]

If you magdump, stability can atleast help land all hits on head at range

Meanwhile dmg and stopping power do that 1 damage difference or so

[supple jasper]

thats actually really helpful. been stressing trying to get a perfect roll. but in theory there are many perfect rolls if ammo and mobility are all that matters. thankfully i dont have to worry about stability

[livid raven]

only ammo matters really

i just rolled a piece of turd with random stats but 80 ammo

[rough peak]

they also skipped a 25 toughness node for blessed stims <.<

[brittle sierra]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[astral canyon]

BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB

[final temple]

I wasn’t aware we’d have an impromptu led zeppelin cover here.

[brittle sierra]

CCCCCCCCCCCCCCC

[rough peak]

DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[main trellis]

It stops to matter if you use pickpocket… so ammo dump always

[hallow socket]

Check out my build..
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0e46c07-a207-4bc8-9cc0-7f64782134f1/puke-nukem-melee-hybrid-desperado-explosive-bolt-pistol

Never had a main but I think I'm digging this a bit too much.

[maiden abyss]

how do i do the penance called "enhanced"? i dont understand the description

[hallow socket]

I think it's like 4 points in the toughness stim tree. There is an indicator somewhere that shows how much viscosity your stim will be

[tulip seal]

Make stim give you toughness, take stim when below 100% toughness

[maiden abyss]

i dont have to take the ability where i place the stim on the groun?

[tulip seal]

It'll take a while tho

[hallow socket]

I messed it up from not reading that properly. Once you she'll be fine. Oh use the stim pack combat ability you will get the penance so much faster.

*do

[tulip seal]

nah, regular injecting works too

[maiden abyss]

i see

so put 4 points into the toughness

[hallow socket]

I think it works on teammates as well idk it just boosted for me doing that.

[tulip seal]

until 50% at least

[maiden abyss]

got it imma try that, thank you both for helping

[hallow socket]

Just keep your stim loaded so the med pack pumps out dankness.

[tulip seal]

Don't put too many points in the stim so it can regen a little faster

[livid raven]

you need at least 50% viscosity

[maiden abyss]

ok

[hallow socket]

Aye bruss was gonna say that too

[maiden abyss]

it makes sence now

[livid raven]

it's quite miserly as a penance

you have to use the worst stimm path that does basically nothing and play badly

[hallow socket]

Been asking in the lobby and on here for help with a Psyker penance doing a private match. So I'm gonna level up my mate to heresy at least when go over his next. He hasn't quite got into this game properly yet. Took me a few goes now I can't stop playing the s###.

[maiden abyss]

does that mean cooldown regen?

path

[livid raven]

no, for the enhanced penance

[hallow socket]

4-5 months or something. The toughness one is the top left.

[livid raven]

you have to use the toughness path

[maiden abyss]

ok ok

thanks

[tulip seal]

what helps is when theres a lone gunner or shooter and no other danger, let em drain your toughness a bit before stimming so you can work through the penance faster

[livid raven]

or jump on gas and flames

[hallow socket]

And yeah noticed no one uses it in games lantern builds the toughness.

[livid raven]

it's really bad

[hallow socket]

Well you have better options

[tulip seal]

just not barrel flames

[tropic crag]

the toughness can be ok, but its the worst choice

but its usable if you really like it

[hallow socket]

Lol just realized it's Regen silly me it's terrible

[tropic crag]

yeah its mostly the tiny bit of DR and the burst of 50% you get from it that makes it "ok"

[hallow socket]

Damage resistance is where it's at

[livid raven]

16% DR is just not much

[tropic crag]

on box it means you can give it to your team which is a bit better... but still the weakest option

[livid raven]

and if you don't take a hit, it's wasted

[hallow socket]

All that downtime for what aye. I like short cooldowns.

[main wagon]

TIL There's either no hitbox or you can slide UNDER railings

[tulip seal]

scum is a bit too squishy for DR to be meaningful. Better to go all in on glass cannon

[livid raven]

the more you know

[hallow socket]

Lol wtf

[main wagon]

The God Emperor works in mysterious ways

[tropic crag]

i've experimented running bother short toughness stim and long cd stim with toughness mixed in and they work ok in rampage builds as a safety net so when you use them like that you're more likely to use the DR.... but yeah its still not good

[main wagon]

It was probably karma

[tropic crag]

its a choice to run it and one i've done and might do again but i won't pretend its not the worst

but worst on scum is still pretty good

[hallow socket]

Watched a pox hound float past me the other day a few metres off the ground but the game kept playing. Usually heaps of enemies will just float in the spot before a crash.

[tropic crag]

i've seen some dogs do some wonky jumps lately without lag so it might be that

saw one dog go like 50ft

up

[hallow socket]

Glitch in the matrix

[tropic crag]

lol final chapter of the story will have the rejects waking up in the real world

[tulip seal]

the mythical updog

[hallow socket]

Some total recall

"Getting better at this dream"

[tropic crag]

we learn grendyl isn't in a computer, we are and he's just broadcasting into our training

[hallow socket]

Sefoni was the only real thing

The whole experience has 'I have no mouth but I must scream vibes"

Man I gotta lay off the grass

[tropic crag]

lol

[main wagon]

This unironically

[hallow socket]

Facts

[main wagon]

Sefoni was just running incredibly complex simulations the whole time

Rannick didn't even start the reject program

[hallow socket]

All for it

[zenith fern]

I don't like this dream very mich

This Atoma, reject thing dream

[main wagon]

Wow I totally forgot a whole word

Brain worm is eating GOOD today

[hallow socket]

I heard her making pleasure noises the other day in the trails. Something new.

[main wagon]

Sefoni moaning in Mortis is just another reason to wear headphones

[hallow socket]

Like that shampoo add "I want what she's having"

Headphones are essential for this game.

Gonna get a post up on my ceiling of Sefoni

As my ex gf use to say "no more tears, only dreams" 💀

[main wagon]

'ate Havoc
'ate Dukane
luv Dukane's guards
simple as

[nova valley]

Is that a mod or a skin? The zooka on the back I mean

[tranquil fjord]

i think thats a backpack

[final temple]

yeah. it’s a backpack.

[main wagon]

Scrolls backpack from Commissary (paid shop)

[livid raven]

Looks more like that tube that holds coffee you bring to picnics to me

[tranquil fjord]

but sir the vibes

[nova valley]

Hold up. I am Italian. What kind of heretic artifacts are you talking about?

[livid raven]

I'm italian too

[nova valley]

Tubo per il caffè?

[livid raven]

But there is a container (usually in the form of a tube) that you use to bring coffee/tea around to keep them warm

[limber cradle]

Thermos

[nova valley]

Ah, now I get it

[livid raven]

Yeah thermos

Some can be pretty long

[nova valley]

Ok. Yeah, now I see it. But it looks more like the bong-mug from The Cabin in the Woods

So, a bong

[livid raven]

Lol

[nova valley]

And it fits the hivescum class

[limber cradle]

You can buy that thing

Its expensive tho

[nova valley]

You are joking

You must be

[limber cradle]

Nope

[nova valley]

You are telling me that is not a prop?

[limber cradle]

Nah those defo exist

Thats an actual smoking apparatus

[nova valley]

A telescopic bong that can be made to look like a mug? That you can remove the brazier and it becomes the handle?

[limber cradle]

Yes.

[nova valley]

PLEASE point me in the right direction

Link or smt

[limber cradle]

Regrettably

I think the company making them shut down

Cause all the articles are dead links now

It used to be made by a company called Iron Man Design iirc

[main wagon]

tHAT'S A LOTTA COFFEE

Caps lmao

Got the 128 ounce cold brew on demand in Hab Dreyko

[amber sundial]

most of that coffee is bribery for ogryns

[indigo sedge]

thats not enough to bribe a ogryn maybe a gaurdmen

[undone arch]

Anyone got a caxe build?

[brittle sierra]

You mean Combat Axe?

Or Chain Axe?

[upbeat gyro]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0d16285-0fb3-41cf-aaf3-1bbf28bc5e3d/rashad-axe-scum Ive been trying this out

[bronze glade]

build looks good but i'd recommend having unarmored on the rashad

[jaunty coral]

is the 'new' stamina and dodge ui standardizing my stamina segments? i swear i should have more

can i mod it to show again how many i should have

[woeful hill]

go to settings

change stamina to % not segments

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah that got actually suggested here and i did it ingame, not updated in guide 👍

[timid seal]

alright, I figured it out, I know how to fix the hive scum issue I keep gripin about.

1: let us use the cartel stimms like normal because that's a major feature.
2: let us ALSO use things like MED stimms because we dont have a method of replicating that particular one. there are tons of ways to clear Corruption but that dont mean nothing if you run outta health anyways.

3, and here's where I cook:

A, they let us just "jab on the spot" because we dont have pockets or whatever, that's fine.
B, they let us carry the normal stimms as WELL, but it REPLACES the cartel one so you have to be mindful of trying to help out a buddy or hitting yourself with a speed booster when you really needed some cooldown reduction or vice versa.

EITHER way, whether "Jab On The Spot" or "use it so you get your old one back" would still incur the Cartel Special cooldown because overdosing is a thing. it would still be based on the Viscosity. Stimm Responsibly.

fixes the problem and encourages thinking about what you're doing in the heat of things. plus gives that med kit F key some nice situational utility.

[jaunty coral]

OMG ty, ive hated this for a while cant believe it was so easy, derp

[jaunty coral]

played with mr unc, from youtube, in h40 last night

man he was fucking good

i need to get better ive fallen out of practice

he was absolutely crushing it with mk III knife hive scum

idk how people 'feel' about him, but i just happened to get in his party and he clutched pretty hard

whats ur guys opinion on mk 3 vs 6 knife? i tend to do better with the 6...i know the 3 has better single target overheads and the punch combo is quicker (and is it a little bit faster on the movetech?)
but idk, the h2, light combo feels so good on the mk6 for horde/light elite groups like gunners/shotgunners and the push attack comes out quicker, and feel safer to spam on heads

is it a skill issue that i dont find the 3 better?

i see a lot of good knife players use mk 3

[bronze glade]

mk3 is for chads

(though mk6 is generally considered stronger)

[jaunty coral]

god dont say that you're giving me a superiority complex i like the 6 better

[bronze glade]

didn't i just say mk3 is for chads??

[jaunty coral]

ya exactly

liking the 6 better means im not a chad

thus superiority complex

I NEED TO BE A CHAD

[upbeat gyro]

https://youtu.be/9rmh9uj3tho

He plays knife on hivescum there

[jaunty coral]

he clutched so hard with mk3 last night in h40, and then almost a second time and stayed alive for a very long time solo looping. his movement was very good, i feel like im good but i just take more stray hits than he does

the slump is hilarious lol

[upbeat gyro]

Tac Axe on 2nd game after knife one

[jaunty coral]

tac axe feels great on scum

[upbeat gyro]

Been thinking of trying it out, still i think 0 games ever in Darktide with it, as it was so weak back in 2023-2024 when i played most

So would have to master it up first

[jaunty coral]

ive been playing the 15s stimm supply build, even on non blight modifier

even if the stimm effect isnt as strong

it just feels SO good being constantly stimmed in general and getting the base buffs + corruption immunity

toughness regen etc constantly

and the aoe poison explosion feels like a much better perk on a <15s cd

im not sure if thats bad, but it just feels really good

i do like distributing more powerful stimms, but the higher cooldown doesnt always feel worth it, ill have to experiment more

[upbeat gyro]

Not sold on the Booby Trap talent on it, but yeah stimm supply is really nice for havocs

I cant even remember anymore which knife i used on zealot back in 2023, should try em again too sometime

[eager zephyr]

Show?

That sounds cracked for H

[jaunty coral]

i think i was doing something like this

with knife and needle pistol

pretty standard i think

[drifting heron]

Why the toughness tree

[jaunty coral]

what do you mean?

[drifting heron]

For stimm

[jaunty coral]

why not? feels good, instant toughness regen every 15s

[drifting heron]

Its 4% dr

[jaunty coral]

is it bad? what would i take instead thats much higher value

its 15% toughness dr, and the instant 50% toughness is really nice

[drifting heron]

I meant on the stimm

[jaunty coral]

but ill try without it, what would i take for more value?

oh my bad i misunderstood

idk, they all felt useless really, im just taking 1 pt for the 15s cd

and being slightly tankier seemed good, i didnt need as

is cdr or str better? wasnt sure the small numbers would be noticeable

the 25% weapon swap speed is a significant number might feel nice, but i feel like most of them are too small to notice at 1 pt

[mighty belfry]

regarding earlier

mk3 knife on scum is bonkers

[upbeat gyro]

Just hit lvl 20 mastery on knife using some couple year old knives to get it, gotta try sometime