hivescum-class

[mighty belfry]

I wouldn't mind the resistances being inversed basically

Where DoTs and explosions are the things that aren't as effective against them.

[elfin root]

Hivescum is busted

I dont regret buying this class

[limber cradle]

Yes

[mighty belfry]

Remember.

[elfin root]

No purchasable(with coins) cosmetics is kinda sad tho

[mighty belfry]

This class is not Havoc viable according to Big Reddit and Big Youtube

[elfin root]

Like lemme have a 5000k ugly white outfit or smth

Like on zealot

[elfin root]

They just dont know how to play ofc

[rancid coral]

To be fair, literally the entirety of Hive Scum BUT RAMPAGE relies completely on Pickpocket being megabusted

[elfin root]

Pickwhat

Which is that

[mighty belfry]

Pickpocket.

Infinite ammo.

[rancid coral]

The talent that gives you 20% ammo upon killing an elite/special when you're below 20% ammo

AKA infinite ammo

[limber cradle]

Tbf rampage is also the most fun way to play scum

[elfin root]

Huh

Never saw that skill not grabbed it

I kinda built my hivescum melee focused

[rancid coral]

It's OP, if you wanna do from x2 to x10 better you need to pick it

[rancid coral]

Even melee focused you just take pickpocket with needle

[mighty belfry]

dw about it then

[elfin root]

I dont think thats a genuine metric

[mighty belfry]

ew

[elfin root]

I do use needle but rarely run out of ammo

[rancid coral]

It kinda is in Havoc for sure

[rancid coral]

I agree but

Effectiveness is effectiveness

[mighty belfry]

I'ma be real

I've tried it

I have never felt like Pickpocket actually helps on Rampage scum

[rancid coral]

Well not needing to take ammo at all in Havoc is great

[mighty belfry]

Like yes. True. It is a busted node.

But I so rarely use ammo with Rampage that it's a non-issue to me.

So it just ends up getting no usage.

[elfin root]

Ok so

Basically

Opened the thing

The skilltree on the internet to check where pickpocket is

[low harbor]

should be melee & explosion that are unaffected by the DR

[elfin root]

And i genuinely dont have points there to even get pickpocket

And to get pickpocket i'd trade in more of my damage and toughness for what? Ammo that i barely need a bag for?

[rancid coral]

Wdym you don't have at least 2 points

Chem dependency gamers tbh

[elfin root]

No

[rancid coral]

Question, do you have the node of 15% bonus dmg on staggered enemies?

If yes that's kind of a waste

[mighty belfry]

yeah i'm curious about the tree here

it shouldn't be hard even with rampage to get to pickpocket

[elfin root]

Dont think so

Idk cant check rn

[low harbor]

prob invested much on bottom right

[elfin root]

I have middle points too

[mighty belfry]

which ones

[elfin root]

Battering strikes and hive city brawler

[mighty belfry]

oh well

that's actually not a bad set of choices

[low harbor]

that sounds like ur missing a lot of dmg if those are the only ones u take in middle

[mighty belfry]

but yeah

[rancid coral]

How heavy are you invested into right side O_o

[mighty belfry]

no hyperviolence

that's a big no no if you're going melee

that is like

a must pick

[elfin root]

Uhh, cant look rn but probably 4 or 5 points lol

[elfin root]

Gonna be honest didnt even understand that one

Overdamage gained as extra damage?

[livid raven]

yes

[mighty belfry]

anytime you overkill an enemy, 25% of the amount you overkilled them by is transferred to your attacks as a flat bonus

[rancid coral]

25% of it yes

[mighty belfry]

for a second

[livid raven]

it works on cleave too

[mighty belfry]

And ignores cleave distribution

[elfin root]

Aha..., maybe i'll remove a point from the right and get that one

[mighty belfry]

you're doing yourself a disservice not having hyperviolence in melee

[rancid coral]

So if an enemy has a 100 HP and my attack deals 200

Then the overkill dmg is a 100, 25% of it being 25

So for the next second, your attacks will deal 225 instead of 200

And yes it can stack with itself

[elfin root]

Aha

That seems more busted than i tought

Should be able to easily grab that

[mighty belfry]

when stacked with all of the crazy melee buffs that scum can accumulate

very much so

I wouldn't call it "busted" though. But it is a very good node for melee builds.

[rancid coral]

I mean it is busted but

It's only good for rampage so

[elfin root]

Oh yeah for surem

[rancid coral]

Nobody gaf and it's good for the game

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Desperado on the other hand is cancer to have on your team

[elfin root]

"Its only good for the build specifically focused on big groups with melee"

[mighty belfry]

stimm crate can get some good use out of it too

[rancid coral]

I'd rather pick hyper critical with stimm

[mighty belfry]

if you're running strength stimms

[mighty belfry]

i do both lol

[rancid coral]

Alright I do think that's a little waste of points but at the same time if you're going for pickpocket you might as well pick it

[elfin root]

My stim is toughness and attack speed :D

[livid raven]

why toughness

[elfin root]

So i can go into a lot of enemies and just never worry about dying bcus i just regen toughness instantly?

[livid raven]

do you perchance also run toughness regeneration on your curios too

[elfin root]

Perhaps yes.

[rancid coral]

Or maybe spend it into strength so the enemy dies faster and they have a lower chance of hitting you

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[elfin root]

Dosent work when enemies die in few hits but are many.

[livid raven]

it's toughness regeneration

[rancid coral]

Oh yes it does

[livid raven]

not toughness replenishment

it only applies to coherency regen, which is slow and has several conditions you often don't meet in melee

which makes it the weakest stim branch

[elfin root]

I mean damage taken was also nice. Guess i'll give the str one a try

But never felt underpowered ever to even care

[mighty belfry]

yeah that's exactly why

not that i constantly spam needler, i'm obviously intended to go back and forth between melee and ranged like that

but hypercritical is right there

and there's not much i can really name that would be as impactful.

[limber cradle]

Thats why I take pickpocket tbh

I'm taking attack speed and hypercrit anyway

[mighty belfry]

its the positioning

[limber cradle]

Why not also have infinite ammo

[elfin root]

If enemy died anyways why bother with hypercritical was my train of tought.

[mighty belfry]

you can't really ignore it when hypercrit or even ammo jack is right there

[limber cradle]

Good for shivs tbh

[mighty belfry]

Because on average they will die faster

[limber cradle]

Yeah

[mighty belfry]

With a good crit weapon

[limber cradle]

It matters more in havoc ime

[livid raven]

especially for ragers and maulers

[mighty belfry]

Because the entire function of hypercrit is to lessen the ttk by one hit assuming the crit.

[elfin root]

I do love the shivs

[limber cradle]

Which really adds up over a game

[elfin root]

But recently been enjoying the cleaver

[mighty belfry]

Hyperviolence also synergizes with this function.

[elfin root]

Bcus i also want to max out mastery on all hivescum specific weapons

Shivs and needler done so far

[limber cradle]

I need to do crowbar and cleaver still

They just feel so bad post shivs

[elfin root]

I mean i can gake 2 points off the right tree

And put into hyper whatever

Both of em

[mighty belfry]

what points are you thinking?

if you have the one that gives you an extra stack of chem dep

axe that

[elfin root]

Idk i kinda put my last 2 points hastily.

[mighty belfry]

don't need it

[elfin root]

I use... adrenaline

[mighty belfry]

...ohhhhh

I mean

That's not a bad choice either

[elfin root]

I wated the + blitz

Wanted*

[mighty belfry]

But wait what the heck is going on with your right side if you're going adrenaline then

[elfin root]

And since i started using cleaver which i really enjoy grabbed some extra poison stuff

[low harbor]

Bottom right side is mostly bait

[elfin root]

Toxin Renewal, sample collector, toxin mania

[mighty belfry]

toxin mania is

eh

[elfin root]

When attacks do poison by default?

[low harbor]

Ya it’s not very good

[mighty belfry]

compared to other nodes, it doesn't hold up

if the damage buff was either bigger or not as finicky, it might be more worth it

[elfin root]

I mean it was between targeted toxin or toxin mania.

[low harbor]

It needs to get merged with crit toxin to have some semblance of value

[mighty belfry]

tbf

[low harbor]

Crit toxin also not very good

[mighty belfry]

they are running cleaver

as in

bonesaw I believe

[elfin root]

Yeah bonesaw

As in

[mighty belfry]

so it does actually have value but i personally don't think it's enough

[elfin root]

The one that piisons by defauly

[elfin root]

Its the only one i found decent in order to grab toxin renewal

[low harbor]

Tox toughness is ok but buried too deep

[mighty belfry]

^

[elfin root]

As i said i could easily switch some stuff around my tree. Most late points i didnt think much of em

[livid raven]

you could just share your build

[elfin root]

Not on the game rn

Just closed my pc

[exotic temple]

Cleaver rampage chem dep is kinda fun

[limber cradle]

If you like it you like it

I fundamentally dont like Cleaver

Same reason I don't like chain weapons

[exotic temple]

H1 is the only sticky attack. Rather unfortunately it’s the only attack that does any damage into armor

Of course you could just run it as your melee weapon on a desperado build

[exotic temple]

Mania and renewal need their places swapped

[unkempt knoll]

Would y’all say the dlc is worth the money to a melee psyker enjoyer?

[drifting heron]

Yes

[tranquil fjord]

absolutely

[elfin root]

Yes

[bronze glade]

I mean this class is literally hood psyker

So you’ll prob like it

[elfin root]

Compared to chain weapons at wlaat cleaver just does good samage by default no need to constantly activate it

[elfin root]

Psyker but the insanity is just part of the personality not the powers

[mighty belfry]

it's weirdly "catchy"

[elfin root]

The drug addiction is the power

[elfin root]

On heavies it very much is yeah.
On normal attacks not that much.

[mighty belfry]

normal attacks actually have that issue when you're attacking anything but flesh

[elfin root]

Idk i had auric runs where i used an unblessed cleaver and just mowed down trough hordes

[calm aurora]

LMAO i like that

[mighty belfry]

hence why bonesaw is considered to be one of the worst mixed horde clear weapons in the game

[elfin root]

In my defense carapace and heavy armor i get rid with grenades and stims

[bronze glade]

May be slightly drug induced too

[mighty belfry]

it's flak too

you know

the most common armor type in the game

[elfin root]

That i never noticed tbf

Or didnt bother me much

I have too much attack speed. Still cleaver is a nice weapon imo. Not as bad as the crowbar :(

[elfin root]

Slightly drug induced from the many drugs. We got a tolerance built up yknow

[indigo sedge]

to all stimm addict geniuses the emperor loves you

[main wagon]

Ever think it’s kinda ironic that Hive Scum (typically) only brings in their own homemade stims versus the rejects just picking them up from the literal trash and injecting them during missions?

They know what bad stimms do to a mf

[mighty belfry]

they've got the good, consistent supply

and all of the means to make whatever they want

[livid raven]

considering the stim we get vs the stims the enemies get in havoc, we obviously get the "good" ones

(the shitty uncorrupted ones)

[indigo sedge]

you mean the ones not out of nurgles toilet

[livid raven]

the boring ones

[bronze glade]

the nurgle ones taste better

[austere coyote]

We smoking shit in a glass pipe, blowing the Lord's bubbles

[spiral rover]

Chat is there a way to make the devil’s claw usable

I like the feel of it though I’ve heard it’s bad

[bronze glade]

rampage adren

use mk7

[ocean hollow]

I run movespeed and crit

Become speed. Become lucky

[spiral rover]

Wait does the stim have a move speed option? I don’t think it does

Attack speed is one

[brittle sierra]

Toughness branch is horrible because the amount of toughness Regen you get is soo pathetically low

That one talent node from the Ogryn tree does more 💀

[ocean hollow]

it's in the same tree

I'm just talking about the end node since that makes a massive difference

[indigo sedge]

like i said stim addicted genusis

[bronze glade]

gloriana claims another...

i tried to ping to warn him

welp

[muted pivot]

The moment you are in melee, that gets disabled

[rough peak]

Does rampage let you get hit on the auspex machine minigames without getting knocked off, while it's up?

[tropic crag]

i don't think so? but maybe i i'm remembering wrong as i never tested it on purpose

[rough peak]

I'll see if I can get it to work or not work while playing tonight

[tropic crag]

usually i avoid using the gameboy when i'm in rampage because of the zero stam at the end, but also i guess that doesn't matter much

its more because i feel like i can't react when dropping the gameboy late without stam

[lime girder]

I finally replayed hive scum since launch and bros

https://tenor.com/view/always-sunny-frank-oh-my-god-i-get-it-gif-22328165

[mighty belfry]

i am genuinely starting to believe

it is better off for havoc teams not to have golden toughness at this point

[tropic crag]

its the most fun class to me tbh, i am loving chaxe on rampage scum

[mighty belfry]

those games tend to go the smoothest for me for some reason

[lime girder]

I've been switching mains between veteran and psyker since launch but my god hive scum is fun

[tropic crag]

i think people get caught eating things they shouldn't in the times when its down because they get to used to it shrugging it all off

[mighty belfry]

it was havoc 40 too

and i was running stealth zealot on rotten orange lol

[tropic crag]

every weapon they have access to they just make better, so you can get so much out of them

[mighty belfry]

there were a few dicey moments but holy shit it was kind of a vibe actually.

everyone do damage, things die faster, no things to attack us

[dim moth]

and bubble

[rough peak]

It's good info to know, at the very least. They didn't let me get hit while I did the minigames :\

Weird for randos >.>

[dim moth]

people get overconfident when their crutches are present

[mighty belfry]

yep

[dim moth]

and that overconfidence makes them play like an idiot

[rough peak]

My crutch: Autopistol on zealot

[mighty belfry]

skissue on my part

[rough peak]

[tropic crag]

yeah i agree its good to know, if i get a chance to test it this evening in the few games i'll play i'll try lol

[mighty belfry]

but when i have those on my team, even i get dependent on them in the moment because they're available and sometimes it makes me play sloppy

wow

[rough peak]

I think I've been hit and not knocked off, but, I don't know for sure

It could have just been gunfire

That's why I'm actively trying to test it

[tropic crag]

this is honestly why i try to encourage people away from the meta in general, its just the fastest way to get good at the game because you're pressured more

[rough peak]

I'm confident until I suddenly hear a net gun getting ready to shoot from the silent trapper behind me...

[tropic crag]

[rough peak]

at that point I dodge the wrong way into a poxwalker next to me

[fallen crypt]

Does the stimms i get from the stimm supply count towards chem dependences/the penances

[livid raven]

Yes

[fallen crypt]

Bet

[sinful matrix]

God bless ogryn for knocking small enemies away when dodging

[tropic crag]

i never notice the dodge knockdown till i'm playing scum, then i miss it

[rough peak]

Well... the hive scum's bonus attack speed from stamina remaining helps the mk13g chainsword's heavy 1 feel not so terrible... that thing feels horrible on other classes, tho. Except maybe marty, which idk why you'd use the chainsword on a marty build to begin with...

[sacred estuary]

How much viscosity/cooldown time for stimm lab if going for a stimm supply spam build?

[tropic crag]

i go max cd and just take sample collector myself

but thats going chem dep and taking the box going off cd when stim does, then i just spam boxes after the first double dip for stacks

but there is also merit to just going low cd on your stim

[exotic temple]

At least it was just the psyker

[bronze glade]

https://tenor.com/view/like-the-way-you-think-seinfeld-like-it-gif-12849435

[light phoenix]

What is a good ranged to pair with Melee Scum with Caxe?

[tropic crag]

i prefer the bolt pistol or the needle gun... but like others can probably work like the revolver

[light phoenix]

Which bolt pistol? I was thinking the aoe one

[exotic temple]

I like bolt pistol with the explosion radius blessing and run boom bringer

[upbeat gyro]

Needler if you want to cheese its OPness, can just unload it to bosses and then do other stuff and it keeps killing the boss

Or spamming it on crushers

[exotic temple]

I try to avoid needles unless I take bone saw and the toxin talents

[idle ore]

20% viscosity or 27s is the sweetspot i have found running sample collector and chem dependency

this is for near perma uptime on corruption immunity

[idle ore]

max cd will not get you good uptime

[sacred estuary]

yepp just tried with that amount a moment ago and is good

[rough peak]

Revving might be faster, but, you can heavy attack crushers to death with your mk13g chainsword... it just takes a while(with a +15% crit stim)

It's not quite as good as it could be, yet, tho.

[tropic crag]

honestly it gets you fine uptime because if you're just spamming box you'll have back to back boxes sometimes

when along side sample collector you end up having your box up quite a bit, at least i've found

[rough peak]

I finally got my 1st 17% toughness curio on the hive scum... all I had to do was mess around in the meatgrinder with that chainsword for like 50 minutes >.>'

[idle ore]

What’s your uptime?

I’m highly doubtful it’s higher than 40% with max cd

Max cd stim has a place but not on a box spam/corrupt immunity build

[tropic crag]

lol i'm not the type of person to run score board but during a short fight its normal to have 2 boxes placed and its rare for me to want to place a box and not have it

i'm running a mix of max cd with cd mixed in to help the team but it all equals out to a great setup

[idle ore]

Okay that’s just not great advice then

[idle ore]

Like how are you gonna recommend max cd stim to someone wanting a crate spam build

[tropic crag]

i was just saying what i ran because it works super well tbh

[idle ore]

How would you know tho other than just vibes

[upbeat patrol]

any tips for leveling scum?

[unique spire]

Not dying

Or leaving the mission

[upbeat patrol]

i mean. fair

coming from ogryn it is such a completely different beast

i mostly like the idea of the toxin damage

also the fact that i am like, twice as fast as ogryn

[rough peak]

1% of 75 is 0.75s for each kill, and 1.5s for every toxin kill since that's 2% each, on a 75s cd stim

Sample collector doesn't round up, right?

every second off the stim cd helps

oh, the needlegun can go through 1 groaner... I was screwing around in the meat grinder and hit 2

Does that help the mk2 needle gun when doing the aoe mode? That you can apply it to more than 1 groaner, that is

[light phoenix]

In a big horde it helps

[rough peak]

Ooo, having 20% strength from the stim lets it pen 1 poxwalker as well :3

Sadly I don't use the mk2, but, this is good to know in case I do x.x

[spark gyro]

G*mers, I come seeking knowledge

[unique spire]

G-mans

[rough peak]

We may or may not have answers to that

[spark gyro]

For skullcrusher, what counts as staggered? Also, what's the "fully" staggered of the cheap shot talent?

[unique spire]

https://tenor.com/view/gman-half-life-alyx-creepy-gif-16000932

[spark gyro]

I'm wondering if I can use either to get funnier devil claw parry damage

[rough peak]

when the enemy is in a light, medium, or heavy stagger state afaik

[drifting heron]

Cheap shot requires fully on the ground or latch staggers

[rough peak]

fully staggered is probably a heavy stagger

if I had to guess

[spark gyro]

Latch staggers being stuff like saw and crowbar?

I take it the parry can at least fulfill the skullcrusher requirements, then?

[drifting heron]

Are you trying skullcrusher dclaw

[spark gyro]

I'm thinking of it and seeking information to see if my toughts align with the reality of this world

Otherwise I might just do rampage or something idfk

[drifting heron]

Skullcrusher dclaw is

A build

[spark gyro]

One of the builds ever made

[drifting heron]

Nobody still here has tried it

[spark gyro]

I don't wanna download a status effects mod to see if I can get a valid stagger with parry

https://tenor.com/view/silly-dance-sea-lion-gif-18060641275691946665

[rough peak]

dclaw on arby when, for this to work better? x.x

[spark gyro]

Jesus, imagine

[unreal stirrup]

yes it does work because concussive

on bosses

[rough peak]

dclaw on arby would be a nice change of pace, compared to all the blunt weapons x.x

[spark gyro]

I think the shovel also has skullcrusher? I don't remember

[rough peak]

shovel on arby would probably go pretty hard

[light phoenix]

What if Arby got Claw Sword?

[drifting heron]

Nothing

[rough peak]

As long as they don't get the dueling sword, I don't think I'll complain. >.>

[drifting heron]

DS isn't even good for arby

[unique spire]

What if a arbitrator was a High Commander General?

[unreal stirrup]

ds is not even that good

well it kinda was when fatshark fucking broke the stagger system

but that it really

[spark leaf]

How is the crowbar for dealing with crushers? I play primarily gunscum and amy looking for a melee weapon that could be useful

[brittle sierra]

How is the crowbar for dealing with anything? 😀

[spark leaf]

can opener looked interesting and its secondary attack

haven't gotten to try it so i was just theory crafting

[brittle sierra]

Fatshark saw how well Arbi weapons went so they were like:

Nah

And then hive scum weapons got the dookie 😔

[austere coyote]

people were worried we'd just get better vet twice in a row

[bronze glade]

turns out we just got ogryn and psyker again

oh sorry

ogryn but small

psyker but gangster

[brittle sierra]

I don't think Arbi is better than vet 💀

[austere coyote]

yeah but that was a lot of the arbi release discourse

[finite sand]

I'm fairly certain crowbar can 2 shot a crusher with the right build.

[bronze glade]

that's probe the one thing cbar isn't total dogshit at

[rough peak]

I mean... it would give those mk3 executioner shotgun randos an edge by them dodging off the ledge

[brittle sierra]

Why didn't they give Arbi the shovel

That's the real question

Fatshark knew the monster they would create

[spark gyro]

Don't they have like a gazillion damage bonuses, cleave on push and crit chance on kill?

The only class I can think of with an easier crit chance boost is zealot, because you don't even need to do anything for the stacks to increase

[drifting heron]

Doesn't matter
Ds' cleave falloff is shit and 150% of 3 is 7.5

It also does no stagger

[spark gyro]

It doesn't need to stagger

[drifting heron]

Its what your entire kit revolves around

[spark gyro]

Arby has a talent to click a dude's head and make him count as staggered

It's, like, one of the core traits of arbites bustedness

[drifting heron]

But you don't do any actual stagger

[spark gyro]

I don't see the problem with it if the talent to mitigate that exists

[drifting heron]

Concussive is cool for bonuses but nothing actually stops moving

[spark gyro]

tbh I ended up not liking the crusher because everything would get thrown around like a ragdoll

[dim moth]

faster to swap cancel for chord strikedowns

[spark gyro]

Personal preference, admittedly, but I'm already used enough to the dueling sword that I don't really see not staggering stuff left and right as a downside

Certainly not an upside when I do need to stagger something, but I still have dodge and block buttons for it, and in the case of arby also a chonky damage resistance

[dim moth]

one singular bulwark approachs

wdyd

[drifting heron]

If you're not staggering anything as arby you're just a worse zealot or smth

[dim moth]

there is one singular mauler in a crowd of ragers

wdyd

[spark gyro]

Parry, bait attacks, BTL, arby nade, dog maybe

[dim moth]

y'see weapons with stagger don't have to do that

because they can just stagger the crowd to easily single him out

by doing normal attacks

[spark gyro]

Yeah, that's kind of the advantage of doing a lot of stagger

I'm not saying stagger is entirely unnecessary, I'm saying that arby would still rock a dueling sword well and the one thing it doesn't do is mitigated by one of the talents that are at the core of their playstyle

I could easily ask people with arby maul what they do when the monstrosity doesn't get staggered, and the answers are similar

[pearl ore]

Arbites shouldn't have saber

[dim moth]

tbh even if they did I don't think it'd be in their top 5 weapons

[pearl ore]

Given that they will likely never have a single fancy hat

[dim moth]

it is antithetical to the classes strengths

[pearl ore]

It's a waste

What would even be the point

[drifting heron]

All of those can create space but without a stagger melee you can't maintain that ground

[spark gyro]

Why would I want to maintain ground with a low cleave and low stagger weapon

[drifting heron]

Because its what your entire class does

[spark gyro]

It's the dueling sword, I'm not saying it should act like a crusher

Uh...

Are we going to get into that "classes are made for one thing" talk?

[dim moth]

I mean Arbites is made for one thing

[drifting heron]

Arbites is actually made for one thing

[dim moth]

their entire talent tree is built around stagger and being able to take/maintain space

[drifting heron]

The others have some diversity

[dim moth]

genuinely if you cannot do that you need to stop playing arbites

[drifting heron]

Arbites is basically a subclass

Vet is hybrid at core but can lean one way or the other, or split to the extremes of both

[spark gyro]

Next thing I know, I'm gonna start hearing that taxe arbites is trolling

[dim moth]

taxe has stagger

so it can maintain space

[drifting heron]

Zealot is always melee but can choose between being a CC frontliner with staggering weapons or a damage frontliner with their left and right abilities and damage keystones

Psyker can do everything

Ogryn is a bit slimmer due to shitty weapon variety but you have actual choices on method of output

And scum can either full lean ranged or melee

Arby just has frontline CC

[spark gyro]

I take it the stagger tables are incorrect?

I compared the strongest light I could find on the taxe with the strongest light on the dueling sword

The taxe has better or similar values on headshots, but falls off on crits for whatever reason

For the heavies, it's this

[brittle sierra]

Alt tac axe is actually funny

[dim moth]

taxe stagger is on push attack and special

[spark gyro]

So either the tables are off, or I'm supposed to just spam special

[dim moth]

push attack+heavy for most of them

[brittle sierra]

You can stop mutants if you hit them in the head

[spark gyro]

Man, I'm not spamming fucking taxe special on arbites

[dim moth]

you will be spamming push attack tho if you use the weapon correctly

which does stagger enemies

[spark gyro]

Dear lord

So you're not gonna tell me that the stagger tables for the attacks are wrong?

[dim moth]

I don't think they are?

[drifting heron]

Tac axe can also kill more than 1 enemy per swing

[dim moth]

but taxe has strength blessings

which increase stagger

not that those attacks stats matter since you don't use them

except heavy

push attack-heavy repeat

light spam is used for armor xd

[spark gyro]

I guess I've just successfully been doing it wrong the entire time?

I mean, apparently I have no idea how to use it and still succeed somehow

And none of this tackles the claim that dueling sword doesn't have stagger, nor that you can simply address the lack of stagger with the talent that flags enemies as staggered on a simple head click

[dim moth]

flagging enemies as stagger does not actually stagger them

[spark gyro]

I know

[drifting heron]

That only matters for damage bonuses

[dim moth]

them being actually staggered and not just walking over you is the problem

[drifting heron]

That enemy is still standing there and swinging at you

Instead of lying on its ass

[spark gyro]

That's why I'm specifically mentioning them being flagged as it

[tender marten]

ask them to stop

[spark gyro]

Jesus, I know

I've been playing this game well over a thousand hours by now, I know when an enemy isn't staggered

[dim moth]

you sure don't talk like you do

[dim moth]

when you say things like this

[spark gyro]

You mean when I say basic information that you can observe in the game?

Maybe if you're illiterate, I suppose

You sure act like it, at least

[dim moth]

Okay let me reiterate to you one more time

An enemy being flagged as staggered

Does not stagger them

[spark gyro]

NO WAY

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT

Oh wait, I did and already explained it

Illiterate.

[dim moth]

And like you have been told 3 times now by 2 seperate people

An enemy being flagged as staggered is not the useful part of staggering them

[spark gyro]

Again, I don't take dueling sword planning on throw enemies to the ground

The point was never that

[dim moth]

Yeah which is why it's a good thing arbites doesn't have dueling sword

Since the entire point of the class is the stagger

[spark gyro]

The entire time, since the start, I've been saying that dueling sword can be an effective weapon on arbites due to how they have one of the easiest crit chance stacks, and its lack of stagger on attacks can be offset by the concussive talent for the purposes of activating arby's many damage buffs

You can repeat that arby is exclusively a stagger class to me the entire night, week, month, I simply don't give a fucking shit

I'm saying that according to the class' existing talents and mechanics, the dueling sword would work as one of its weapons

[dim moth]

It wouldn't be effective on them since they wouldn't be able to fulfill their primary role as a frontline with it xd

That's the entire reason we're talking about stagger in the first place

[spark gyro]

Arby is exclusively a stagger class to you, fine

I don't care

[dim moth]

That is literally fatshark's stated design of the class

And their entire talent tree is about staggering

[spark gyro]

Yeah, they're so concerned about actual staggering that they put a talent there to make the class work against enemies you can't easily stagger

Mhm.

The stagger class that works against enemies that don't stagger with a slap

[dim moth]

It won't work because you won't actually stagger anything so you're just going to get overrun

That is literally the point

You want stagger because Arbites needs to actually stagger most enemies to have a role that it isn't outclassed at

[spark gyro]

You have a dodge button, a block button, you can kite, do whatever

[dim moth]

No you can't not forever in havocs

And if you do you bet your ass when your team wipes you are getting kicked

[spark gyro]

Fuck havocs

Basing an entire class around havoc metas exclusively is some dumb shit

It's how you get excessively restrictive "advice" to people not minmaxing the game

[dim moth]

Staggering is the only thing arbites does particularly better than other classes

Between break the line, and their weapon selection it is the core identity and function of the class no matter the difficulty

Dueling sword doesn't mesh with it at all

[spark gyro]

It doesn't mesh with your view of it

I have a dodge button, I'll use it

I have a block button, I'll use it

I have the lowest stamina delay, I'll use it

[dim moth]

Arbites has no finesse/weakspot damage it isn't my view it's the fuckin' talent tree dog

[spark gyro]

Hell, even if I don't take a weapon to throw my enemy on the ground, I have break the line, arby nade, shock mine

[dim moth]

They have one talent for +25% crit damage on EO and nothing else

There's weakspot strength from soulguilt scan

but fun fact about that that is not the same as weakspot damage

They build into raw damage, and stagger everywhere

Which is not what dueling sword even scales with to begin with

[spark gyro]

The same finesse that new players are warned about as being worse than the equivalent value in damage or strength?

Unless they changed the math, I'm open to any updates you might know about that I don't

And, as I mentioned, one of the easiest crit chance talents

[dim moth]

finesse/weakspot damage/crit damage/damage scale multiplicatively with eachother

additively with themselves

the reason dueling sword is so good on psyker and zealot especially is because they have a large amount of all of them

[dim moth]

yes because they have the 2nd lowest crit chance in the game

Ogryn hits 18.5% from massacre Arbites has like 32.5% with EO+ zealous

[spark gyro]

What does zealot have besides duellist?

[dim moth]

blazing piety

and scourge

basically the entire left side of their tree

also fury of the faithful/shroudfield

[spark gyro]

Oh, now you're adding crit chance?

I thought you were talking damage?

[dim moth]

oh on crit damage they do only have finesse from duelist but it's 50%

which is double what arbites gets

so

or I guess technically more than double since finesse is both crit and weakspot damage in one?

arbites only gets crit damage

[spark gyro]

Right, the low duration on-dodge talent has a better value than the "just click a head" talent, that one sure surprised me

[dim moth]

when are you ever not dodging something in combat

oh right when you're getting hit

[spark gyro]

Damn, and here I was thinking that zealot had stagger weapons designed to throw the enemy into the ground

Apparently they get a free pass tho

[dim moth]

they do also have that

but their tree has better value for crits

with high crit chance, lots of crit related talents

an entire crit focused keystone

and 50% finesse damage which ain't half bad

but they do also have the ability to build for stagger they're just not as good at that as arbites is

[spark gyro]

I'm definitely not going to argue zealot doesn't have hilarious crit chance because that's well-known at this point

[dim moth]

with weapons like relic blade, or just the crusher again

but my knowledge on zealot is all very surface level because I don't really like playing them

[spark gyro]

Well, at least you're honest about one thing

Credit where credit is due

[mighty belfry]

i am making a petition to take chorus out of the game

[dim moth]

would make zealot a stronger class

[mighty belfry]

woops

[mighty belfry]

i just had a havoc 34 with two choruses

...on final toll rotten

[spark gyro]

I politely, yet threateningly suggest you add VoC to the petition

[mighty belfry]

obviously

it did not work out at all

[spark gyro]

Which one is final toll again? That sacrifice with the green barriers?

[mighty belfry]

No.

The one that makes enemies unstaggerable and attack faster.

[spark gyro]

Oh, modifiers

[mighty belfry]

yes

the modifier that makes enemies unstaggerable

with two of the same ability

that is all about staggering

[dim moth]

unstaggerable while below half health

and only for melee elites+captains

[mighty belfry]

yeah

[spark gyro]

People subject themselves to the strangest miseries, say I watching the mutant train being combined with flamers and bombers in maelstrom

[dim moth]

normally this isn't that big of an issue because you can just heavy stagger them before they get below half

like with break the line, VoC, most grenades

but uh

Chorus is a light stagger lmao

[mighty belfry]

it's the severe lack of damage

[spark gyro]

I take it the immunity makes them just walk freely during chorus

[dim moth]

yeah

[mighty belfry]

yes

[spark gyro]

Which certainly defeats one of the biggest strengths of the ability

[mighty belfry]

and they both had flamers

[spark gyro]

There goes the big mobile fuckoff zone

[mighty belfry]

so absolutely no means to deal with ranged targets so me

the melee scum

had to do that

[spark gyro]

I remember I had to clutch with a shredder like yesterday or so, and was red on ammo without pickpocket

Man, the snipers made me sweat with each bullet that came out of the gun

[dim moth]

chorus stagger isn't even that good either

it's one of its biggest strengths and it's still fuckin' mid

because it's a light stagger

[spark gyro]

I learned to give a lot of credit to interrupts

A lot of times I don't need to throw them to the other end of the room, I just need them to stop whatever they're doing

Mostly goes for specials and humanoid elites

[light phoenix]

What if chorus subnodes get buffed?

[dim moth]

it'd be a bandaid fix because the root cause of chorus being so weak is that it knocks you out of combat for 5 whole seconds to use it

[main wagon]

Nothing like the chorus zealot chanting over you while you’re netted just waiting expectedly for someone else to pull you out

[spark gyro]

It really takes a lot of time

The person could be using that precious time to sneeze once

[dapper coral]

To make some Earl Grey tea

[fresh mist]

God the needle gun is so OP love it

[light phoenix]

I wish Scum could use Shovel

[spark gyro]

Crusher scum, 3 stamina curios

Swiftest endurance

[sacred estuary]

Crucian Roulette on Stub Pistols good or nah?

[light phoenix]

I like the concept of Stub Pistols but they pale in comparison to weapons like InfAutogun, Twin Autopistols, ShredderAutopistols and don't get me started on the Needlepistol

...oh wait, we need a NEEDLE RIFLE

Fires ammo like a harpoon and inflicting poison, ooh return of the Crossbow

[fresh mist]

that would be fun

The need pistol is like addiction now

[rough peak]

I accidentally triggered a daemonhost in this last run... my rockets took care of the accident x.x

took all 4 tho, but, it beat death

That's the 1st time I've accidentally triggered a host in quite a while

[main wagon]

Wait until you try the triple barrel

Whole new addiction

[fresh mist]

Oh gawd....

[rough peak]

I have one mostly ready that I have saved for when I want to do that

You can soften a target up with a shot, then do the double shot for a more guaranteed kill, if needed

[main wagon]

I've been playing around with blessings, it's just so silly

Miniature Grapeshot vs Napoleonic Line

[fresh mist]

New to modding, where did u get yours for Darktide ?

[main wagon]

Actually whiffed that third gunner because brain autopilot kicked in and I tried to ADS lmao

Darktide Nexus is where most mods come from

[fresh mist]

The 3rd person mode specifically

Ok cool

[main wagon]

Perspectives Mod

[fresh mist]

OMG ... i didnt realize you could do that ! ty

back to ninja kamui

[main wagon]

@reef rose can prolly give some pointers if you have any questions about setting the camera. He's the go to Perspectives Enjoyer

I haven't touched it because I'm kinda lazy and I mostly use it to mess around in the elevator, but sometimes it's fun to play TP for a bit

[fresh mist]

cool ty, was just reading about that

[main wagon]

I struggle with playing certain classes with it, but it's all just vibing it out. Okri plays TP Ogryn with such style he's able to do this

[rough peak]

I feel like 3rd person would just make darktide feel more ilke risk of rain 2

[past trench]

I did not know that third person pov was the thing I needed in this game

I mean more like for a change than anything else

[main wagon]

I'm an absolute sucker for TP in any game, even going back to janky console forced TP in OG L4D

I love seeing the character that I made and the items that I unlocked lol

[past trench]

Heh legit

[rough peak]

Every time I look at this and feel like I might want to do it... it looks so annoying that I then don't want to do it x.x

Does anyone know if Tank or Regain is better for it? for the stim

not sure if 20% more coherency regen is really going to make much of a difference compared to an instant 25% more refill

Oh, also: does toughness regen speed on curious help with that? <.<'

[main trellis]

Just use refill; pop stimm whenever you can and thats it

[main trellis]

No

[rough peak]

I grabbed pocket toxin with blinders to speed up getting the stim back x.x

[rough peak]

Kinda what I thought, there goes the 1 time I was thinking about that perk ever since I stopped using it on oggy

[rough peak]

Do you know if the pox gas modifier speeds it up any, per chance?

due to easily being able to sit in the gas

[main trellis]

Some slow it; there is a guide to it somewhere

[rough peak]

It looks like, according to this, being in the pox gas gives more toughness recovered from % sources

Probably doesn't work with the % regained stim, tho

dreg bomber tox gas reduces it by 30% :/

sigh this is going to be really annoying

[main trellis]

The regen % on stimm is just coherency regen

So dogshit

[rough peak]

Yeah, I know. That's why I even thought of toughness regen speed, earlier

[unique dagger]

Died %60 of the way through baross again

[rough peak]

Spent 1 hour and 2 minutes on chasm logistratum... I got 1674% out of the 2600% done. Nice, I guess... I started the run so I'd have just me in the lobby, that way I could take as long as I wanted. That's what I did for the stimm crate buffing allies and chemical dependency penances... only I was in the mission for like 40 minutes for those

[unique dagger]

emperor aint shining his light on me

[rough peak]

Being able to get rid of the annoying penances in a "solo" lobby is really nice, tbh. I was annoyed about it at first, when I first was noticing it... but now I realize I can do really annoying penances and take as long as I want to do them with bots <.<

It's nice not having to worry about players getting annoyed by me being slow on purpose

[fast surge]

Spending an hour in a solo to get half done... That's rough

[rough peak]

I was chilling

[fast surge]

I do not look forward to doing that one

[rough peak]

It was not that bad, tbh

I got this for finishing the penance :3

I had to stand in fire to get most of the toughness regenerated, last run

being able to stand in pox gas will at least be more consistent throughout the mission x.x

Assuming darktide doesn't crash mid run, that is

[rough peak]

It was only on malice, so it's not like I was taking a ton of toughness damage. It would have probably been completed in a run on heresy or damnation, in like 30-45 minutes

[unique dagger]

@main trellis i am doing rotten red rn

got to the end once

I was going for the left button

with %50 toughness

got clapped by one random bro

didnt notice him

insta dead because scum

[rough peak]

took almost no time with pox gas as the modifier >.>

[main trellis]

GL HF

Use Rending Trauma with EP Brain Burst; its goat

[rough peak]

@fast surge btw: Pox gas modifier by yourself completes that penance really quickly, when it's just you and bots. It only took like 10 minutes to get the remaining 1300% on a malice pox gas run. Just a fyi, for when you do the penance

[rough peak]

Huh, the db shotty's single shot has enough base cleave to go through 1 dreg gunner... but not 1 scab gunner.

[kind mist]

scabs have much mass

[rough peak]

It's good to know this in case I get caught up in a scab and dreg gunner spam fest... cause then I can do the double shot when scab gunners are up front and the extra single shot when dreg gunners are up front(since I have the triple barreled version, cause of ammo jack)

[keen timber]

use the crate

it'll work on the whole team then

[exotic temple]

What level are you now?

[upbeat patrol]

3 😜

im not spamming them rn

[exotic temple]

Oh yeah you are gonna get shoehorned into gun scum for most of the leveling process which relies heavily on dodging but you get to dodge more frequently than with Ogryn

For some reason all the fun toxin stuff is relatively high level. Like needle pistol doesn’t unlocked until lvl 18

[daring palm]

hey everyone im currently following a build for the hive scum but i cant help but feel the class is super squishy just wondering how i can play the class better 🙂

[elfin root]

hyperviolence is kinda useless ngl

[tranquil fjord]

it is very useful

[final temple]

it doesn’t show an indicator so you don’t see it doing it’s magic unless in sudden annihilations of whole groups

[exotic temple]

It’s a dodge heavy class, so you have to dodge a lot more than other classes.

Do you have the build you are using shareable

[tranquil fjord]

you can make enough damage off of chaff or elites to begin one shotting them

[elfin root]

no enemies just die too fast anyways so its kinda not doing much.

[final temple]

which difficulty? and hyperviolence WANTS you to kill fast.

[daring palm]

its a build i found online https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a077be66-a1c9-4623-aa8c-3ce4af979bbd/crackhead-john-wick-high-havoc-build not sure if its any good though

[elfin root]

auric and damnation.
no difference felt.

[tranquil fjord]

are you using it with hyper critical

[final temple]

there is no difference between auric and damnation in HP. that said, it also depends on the weapon. hV wants you to cleave.

if you don’t have much cleave you don’t see too many overkills rolling into each other

[exotic temple]

Yeah it’s not my cup of tea. The very least you need to free up a point for vultures dodge.

If survivability is an issue I’d swap dual stubs for dual auto pistol and lose the sweet spot

[daring palm]

ill give it a try im just not used to being so easily downed/killed in this game so im having to adapt a lot with this class

[exotic temple]

Vd should help with that. You crit a lot which means you should be immune a lot of the time in combat

[final temple]

there is so much wrong with this build.

[exotic temple]

Melee is a little funny because the immunity puts you in a dodge state so you can still be hit by melee but it loses tracking

So you still have to dodge off line but they won’t follow you

But ranged you automatically dodge all ranged like it’s an extension of desperado

[daring palm]

Cant lie i just got to lvl 16 and searched a build up for the class as i was a bit lost as there was a lot to look at especially with the stim building side

[exotic temple]

Yeah it’s meme build

[daring palm]

yea that tracks lol it had the highest votes so i thought must be good surely lol

[final temple]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0bff4a1-5f52-4c01-a86d-6103badb0229/run-n-gun-5

I quickly threw this together as a proposal. maybe it helps you feel less squishy and more powerful.

[daring palm]

your a diamond ❤️

[final temple]

just fixed a tiny error I made. reload if you had it open already

[daring palm]

nice i shall give this a go when im done with work i appreciate your help massively

[livid raven]

owned

[tranquil fjord]

sorry

clipboard :(

@daring palm https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0e1e699-216c-457e-bdb5-0ba25db0c807/desperado-dual-stubbers

this is how i run the dual stubbers

imo theyre not the best but still fun

[daring palm]

any help is appreciated with this class i will try this as well ❤️

[tranquil fjord]

you can run the same build with the vraks iag

[zenith fern]

Dont really bother looking too much on builds until you are 30

[upbeat patrol]

yea, heading for chem nade rn cause the aoe seems like it is 1 nade = dead horde

[exotic temple]

Pretty much dead everything sans a boss

As long as you aren’t trying to lvl in damnation or something chem wrecks everything

[fresh mist]

rocket launcher 🍆 💖 🥹

[exotic temple]

Eh chem nade lasts for 20 sec so you get more bang for buck. Crushers you just stab with shivs in the head and use special and they fall over

[main wagon]

The "mutant/fleshbag just threw me into a carapace elite swarm" special

Chem nade is good for playing with pugs because it lets you solo objectives tho

Kinda like shock mines on Arby if you aren't using Forceful

(I still use rocket because cmon...look at it)

https://tenor.com/view/road-rage-flipping-off-arguing-rocket-launcher-viralhog-gif-14285007

Other guy is a single Bulwark

[astral canyon]

or a single trapper

[main wagon]

It’s about sending a message

[vapid jungle]

Rockets only for snipers

[zenith fern]

[dreamy rover]

this probably the only class I play braced autoguns with

[light phoenix]

Which brauto is preferable on Scum?

[main trellis]

Could be better

[brittle sierra]

Agri

[main trellis]

SPLATER PARTY!!!

[main trellis]

I would say vraks; agri does the least dmg unironically despite doing the most per bullet
Only reason; fire rate
Tested btw…

[bronze glade]

agri has cleave

[zenith fern]

not sure how you can keep going down and die many times as level 1050 scum but he was cool enough

[main trellis]

Minor one; still not enough to justify the dmg other marks can dish out; ngl it was a surprised to me that it performed the worst

[unreal stirrup]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/477231216714579968/1462436169307656233/Warhammer-_Vermintide_2_-_2026-01-18_8-01-33_PM.mp4?ex=6970d251&is=696f80d1&hm=c8b0161957022145942d14bf196dd130f6cc28a97ac5ed3d26f9768bd201e2c8&

[bronze glade]

what did you even test it against? because it has 3 cleave

which is very high for an automatic weapon

[main trellis]

Numerous gunners of both types; tested how fast you kill them

Tested also on maulers & dreg ragers

[unreal stirrup]

playtime =/= skills

[zenith fern]

yes but is insane how you are that level in just about a month and plus

[main trellis]

Played train mission all the time

[zenith fern]

after all i managed to clutch a 5mins and more

with a psyker build I just made

[unreal stirrup]

that called unemployment

or just spam twin hard mode

actually both

[tranquil fjord]

what could be better

or, what would be better

[dreamy rover]

I just happy other scummers are using braced as well

[bronze glade]

yeah i mean if you test against enemies that can't be cleaved...

[main trellis]

Some talent tree choices

[bronze glade]

also agri has really strong stagger

and actually has good effective range when tap firing

unlike the other brautos

not just a raw dps race

[main trellis]

Try vraks

[bronze glade]

which i would think graia wins anyway

[bronze glade]

yeah i did, it's dog

my least favorite of the three

[dreamy rover]

graia has the best sound

[bronze glade]

graia is a space ppsh

[main trellis]

Graia is better if you use braced mode
If you don’t; vraks does better job

[bronze glade]

yeah ofc

graia requires bracing

[tranquil fjord]

such as

[dreamy rover]

graia is my asmr music for mowing down heretics

[main trellis]

Not taking nimble & burst of energy is a pepega move
Begin with picking those up

[dreamy rover]

Nimble still makes me fly off the cliffs by accidents

Funny though

[astral canyon]

Then start flying off cliffs intentionally

[thorny ginkgo]

uncanny or flesh tearer?

[astral canyon]

uncanny

[trim wind]

Uncanny

[astral canyon]

jinx

[trim wind]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-handshake-muscle-strong-man-gif-5783927

[muted pivot]

Uncanny is always a lock afaik

can't think of any weapon where it's available and not a must-take

[upbeat patrol]

does rampage extend if you get a chem.kill?

[astral canyon]

No

[spark gyro]

With chem, I'd even say uncanny and flesh tearer

[muted pivot]

Riposte goes kinda hard though

Long duration for a buff like that

Crit rate is really good on shivs

Especially if you're hypercritical

[thorny ginkgo]

idk what's better combat blade or shivs

i really want hyper crit and pickpocket on my combat blade build, wouldnt hyper crit be better than hviolence

prolly drop toxin mania or quick and deadly for hypercrit

[dim moth]

scum shivs actually

I don't even use it on my shivs

I just use the Mk3 shivs and tox spam carapace to death

[thorny ginkgo]

does it make any sense to run hyper crit and violence on a rampage knife build

[dim moth]

violence no, hyper crit is big "why were you not running this already"

[thorny ginkgo]

kk

[dreamy rover]

I would go hyper instead

[muted pivot]

Why not both? I don't really understand what weapons promote HV best

[cedar cairn]

Weapons with massive single attack damage

[muted pivot]

Don't shivs get to cascade it upwards?

Just due to attack speed

[brittle sierra]

Yes

[fiery tulip]

Yes

[mighty belfry]

Hyperviolence is huge for combat knife tbh

[low harbor]

Weapons with brutal momentum/deathblow
and weapons that get really high first target damage atks

[spark gyro]

Okay, so, question

[night moon]

why do i feel like Fatshark will nerf this

[livid raven]

jee

i wonder why

[night moon]

with the stim pistol, you kill one special or elite you get 2 mags back

no cooldown

[livid raven]

it actually shoots blowdarts

[night moon]

oh

mb then

and considering how many specials/elites spawn on havoc you have inf ammo

[spark gyro]

HV grants me 25% of the difference between damage and health of a killed enemy; does this mean that if I deal 200 damage to an enemy with 100 health left, I'll get 25% more melee damage? Sometimes reading the way people talk about HV, I get the impression I'd get 25 damage instead

[livid raven]

it's really an elaborated blowgun

[livid raven]

no

if you deal 200 damage to a 100 hp enemy, you gain 25 more damage on the next hit

well, on the next hits for 1 seconds

[spark gyro]

That honestly actually sounds kinda bad ngl

[livid raven]

it's amazing tho

[spark gyro]

I mean, provided I don't overkill stuff by much

Since psykhanium healthbars don't show overkill damage

[low harbor]

You can pretty easily calculate ur damage output

And figure out overkill

[spark gyro]

I got the feeling that my general damage improved with HV, but I never really grasped the details of it and just accepted the talent description

[livid raven]

it only takes a hitspot crit to blow out

[low harbor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1453190093174214798/58966B1.MP4?ex=694c8c3d&is=694b3abd&hm=87b928e4571ffc7dce3ab7f7d82e35d46bf3db540b3053197b3c5e0df72512c4&

Just remember that this is a thing

Totally cool

[exotic temple]

You kill a bunch of chaff then turn around and 1 shot a crusher

[spark gyro]

I must download video

Thanks Discord

[livid raven]

owned by discord

[spark gyro]

I take it this means for every hit within that 1 second?

[livid raven]

yeah

[low harbor]

Yes

[spark gyro]

Aight, I think I got a grasp on it

[livid raven]

also works on cleave

and ignores cleave distribution

[spark gyro]

It helps with hordes because each hit on the cleave is going to inherit that damage

And uhhh the uhhh I assume it triggers immediately on killing an enemy and slaps the second enemy of the cleave with the new damage?

[livid raven]

yep

[low harbor]

Yez

[spark gyro]

Something like getting stacked damage that really hurts even the last enemy

[low harbor]

Beri gud talent

[spark gyro]

Poggers

[livid raven]

and the stack keeps increasing

since you kill one enemy, gain overkill damage, use that increased damage to kill another, increase your overkill even more and so on

[spark gyro]

So if I, say, use the previous 25 damage I gained to overkill an enemy by 125 damage this time, it does the math on that 125 instead of the original 100 that generated the 25 in the first place?

Hypersnowball

[livid raven]

yep

i heard it was longer than 1s before release and it was very nuts

[spark gyro]

It's the McDonald's disdain

[low harbor]

Hyperviolence would be insane if it was available on other classes

[low harbor]

It’s way better than disdain

[spark gyro]

Yeah, McDonald's disdain

Disdain is hyperviolence at home

That sounded criminal

I swear it's a meme

[supple mango]

I think it's a hive scum thing. What is that aura thing that he makes every enemy around with yellow head?

[low harbor]

Yellow?

[supple mango]

he has ability that he uses and a area around him shows up like a taunt from ogryn

and enemies around become yellow

[tranquil fjord]

forge's bellow modifier of the rampage ability

i think?

it staggers enemies and makes them attack slower

[supple mango]

hmm

[tranquil fjord]

it is activated when you activate the ability and when the ability ends

[low harbor]

Are u sure they turn yellow?

are you talking about chemtox’s visual effect

[supple mango]

yeah, they were yeallow ish. It's different when they have the white patches around their body. This is another effect

[leaden fable]

HV thunder hammer or relic blade

[low harbor]

HV power sword would mog everything

[brittle sierra]

I think it's chem nade

It does seem like an "aura" when you are in the middle of it

[supple mango]

yeah, it's an aura that repeats itself a few times

[leaden fable]

Flip head shovels would be good too

[low harbor]

I kinda doubt that one

[brittle sierra]

When things die do they explode?

[supple mango]

never seen before

no

[brittle sierra]

Do you have a picture?

[leaden fable]

One good flip hit on some chaff, then you're free to get your quick slap hit and expend all the extra damage on a larger target safely

[low harbor]

It’s not high first target for its normal atks

[supple mango]

no. It happened last game and a few games before. I thought it was sometime from arbites but this game there wasn't an arbites player

[leaden fable]

Does HV only apply its bonus to other targets hit by that attack, or does it work for subsequent attacks?

[low harbor]

It can apply to 2nd+ targets for the same attack

Given first target killed

Which makes it insane for mixed horde and scales significantly better for high first target damage atks

[leaden fable]

Ahh I thought it'd give you enough time to hit a lil guy with a big attack, then switch to a big target and get your big bonus from a faster, weaker attack on it

Too busy just blindly swinging shivs to think about how that actually works playing scum lol

[elfin root]

God day fellow hivescum

[elfin root]

Relic blade would be so busted

But at the same timr

2/3 hivescum specific melee feel pretty nice to use

[cedar cairn]

Give Hive Scum the Boltgun

[supple mango]

maybe its the havoc rampaging enemies modifier

[cedar cairn]

It won't be broken and it will positively impact me, who will get infinite ammo Boltgun

[leaden fable]

Desperado bolt pistol is pretty fun

Idk if it's actually good but I had fun with it lol

[astral canyon]

it will be broken

[supple mango]

they do explode

[final temple]

drop coated and mania. weak talents.

[dim moth]

coated is good with sample collector, but yeah I dropped toxin mania

it's not worth it at all even dedicating most of your build to just spamming tox

[tropic crag]

i feel like its worth it on a full on tox build because you're not often wanting for something else

so like with bonesaw

[main wagon]

I couldn’t justify coated outside of a dedicated tox build. Thought it would be nice but it’s one stack on a crit, not just hits

Just throw a shiv and spend the talent point elsewhere lol

[tropic crag]

yeah i only use coated if i have a spare point and want to add slightly more stacks to what i'm already stacking

or if i want to proc something like sample collector

it def works better with chem dep and box builds because your crit tends to be higher in those builds

[main wagon]

I haven’t really worked sample collector into a non-tox build because it’s so far down there

Actually no maybe my rampage setup might have it

[tropic crag]

yeah i think i run it on my bonesaw build instead of the +1 blitz because you don't really need +1 blitz with the pocket sand

[main wagon]

I was a lil butthurt how difficult pathing to +1 rocket ended up lol

All in all they’re so devastating I just use them very conservatively

Feels good to pop a rocket when you REALLY need one just for someone to throw out the, “Thanks!” voice line

Thank you Mr Scum, those 9 crushers were about to turn us into paste in that broom closet

And assorted director friends

[tropic crag]

i've been running alot of chain axe lately so i just respond to those situations with pocket sand and axes to the face, i get thanks also so it feels good

i will say juggling the cc on a group of crushers is very dangerous feeling with just the chaxe, but man do i love it too much to stop doing it

i should say its dangerous feeling on havoc, less so on other difficulties

but yeah i keep going down in havoc like once a round because i get a bit too brave with my cc juggling the crushers

[main wagon]

At some point I’ll play havoc again but not until our newbie friend is done leveling classes

We finished his zealot first, then he spent a good bit of time trying different weapons

He’s onto Psyker now

Apparently he needed to do some tweaking in the beginning because his Steelseries headset wasn’t playing audio queues at the right volume

Had to go in and play with his EQ

Him and my other buddy have actually picked up a lot really quick. It’s mostly just building their muscle memory and working out good positioning, and those just come with time

I won’t act like I don’t ever fly too close to the sun and then hear chainaxe sounds behind me

[tropic crag]

lol that would lead to a hard time , and yeah steel series can have some wacky balancing sometimes

[tropic crag]

yeah even if peopel are super quick to pick it up it takes a while to bake in those movements

[main wagon]

I feel bad because he was the only friend I’ve had with that issue, just could NOT hear the queues for ranged, melee, certain specials like snipers

I sent him a clip of someone standing in a sniper’s beam, then dodging it. He was like, “I have not heard this sound in 17 hours of gameplay”

Poor bastard finally fixed it

[tropic crag]

i used some steel series cans for like a minute and yeah they got me killed at first in darktide

but i fixed them before i swapped to other headsets

[main wagon]

I’ve had Corsair Vituoso SE’s for years and the only thing I’ve replaced is the actual cups

[pallid quail]

that reminds me i still gotta return a steel series

[main wagon]

I was actually turned off of Corsair at first because their headsets were shaped like triangles

[tropic crag]

i'm looking to get another set of Sennheisers soon, i just like their sound stage the best

[main wagon]

But this headset is just silver and round, and probably has the best headset mic I’ve ever used

Next upgrade is going to be headset + standing mic with one of the desk arms

They’ve got a new version of my headset that I was looking at but I’d like something proper

[kind mist]

I have a nice EPOS sennheiser, but they've stopped making them.

[main wagon]

Oof

[tropic crag]

i never liked any of their gaming lines, i buy desk mics for mics and normal headphones for listening

i always just used their studio cans, tho my friend did have one of the gaming line and they were nice when i tried them

[final temple]

I would argue it isn’t worth the talent point because sample collector interacts with toxin in general. That crit toxin stack seems more a matter of comfort than numerically substantial.

sidenote: unless you feel them being uncomfortable, consider getting IEMs. any potato can drive them and you get superior sound quality for a fraction of the investment good quality overears request.

[dim moth]

the fuck is an IEM

improvised energy missile

[trim wind]

Yea, for your ears

[tropic crag]

yeah you take it to proc things, not to actually do things... like ogryn bleed stacks

[tropic crag]

and honestly i work a job with earplugs so i try to keep over ear headphones at home

unless i'm misunderstanding what IEM means , i'm tired so i decided not to google and just vibe it

[trim wind]

It is in ear yes

[astral canyon]

its mostly for stack upkeeping on bosses after magdumping needler

[tropic crag]

oh yeah it does do that, i've done that plenty but never really think about it

[final temple]

In Ear Monitor, yeah. Depending on the brand they come with really comfy tips or you can get aftermarket ones. I have been using these for years now and while I have fucked up ear channels I find them way comfier than overears and as I said, the sound quality is amazing on many of the new ChiFi ones, even with a limited soundstage. if you are willing to dish out a bit more they become clearly superior to even open backs.