hivescum-class

[livid raven]

what's a speed build supposed to be

[prisma mauve]

I just

Run very fast

I like speed

[livid raven]

what would that do

[prisma mauve]

Make me go very fast

Serves zero help in game

But I find it fun

[zenith fern]

Closest thing is taking the dodge talent nodes

Scum is already agile, i think is more than psyker

[prisma mauve]

Also what is this switch mode thing for the crowbar

[zenith fern]

switch to hook mode

Single target focused

[prisma mauve]

And the other is horde focused?

[muted pivot]

Super satisfying rip strikes with the claw end that get you killed

[zenith fern]

yes

Think the crowbar having two marks on it

when swapping with special

[livid raven]

supposedly

[prisma mauve]

What’s the best blitz to have? The missile is very tempting but I dunno

[livid raven]

missile or chem grenade

[prisma mauve]

What da chem do?

[livid raven]

chem all over the enemy

(apply 7 stack of toxins to people in the area of effect for a lot of time and debuffs them)

[prisma mauve]

Uuuu

Might try that

[livid raven]

it kills everything that isn't a crusher or a boss pretty fast

[zenith fern]

All scum blitzes are great

[final temple]

(boomstick clearly the best but we try to be diplomatic here)

[spark gyro]

Boomstick is always the best

[spark gyro]

It's sm fun watching everything just cease existence

[muted pivot]

Blackouts can be great too if you want to let somebody else pump grenades

You need the chem talent for it though really, and you probably want to be a sample collector build

But they're a less powerful option outside of grenade economy manipulation really

Decent for rampage imo

[mint valve]

Asking again, bc most of the frenzy rampage builds i see are kinda buns

[mighty belfry]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0d65a9c-1a4f-4927-ade4-3b122c82463a/rot-killer-2 meant for rotten armor which is why the shivs have flesh tearer. if not, can switch flesh tearer for whatever blessing you prefer

[mint valve]

Was figuring a melee for something along the lines of crowbar or taxe, but considering any crit boosts, taxe or another different crit fountain

[mighty belfry]

taxe or combat knife would be your best bets if you're going crit

[mint valve]

Indeed

Though i meant rampage with adrenaline frenzy, middle keystone

[mighty belfry]

oh

[mint valve]

Chem dep is getting boring despite being arguably the best keystone just bc of raw skill cooldown

I want to be a brainless freight train ramming a path through everything basically

[spark gyro]

Taxe and combat knife would go nicely with adrenaline frenzy, and can save you a point on the kill modifier

[mighty belfry]

anything really goes well with adrenalize frenzy

just that some weapons do benefit more from chem dep because of finesse multipliers

[spark gyro]

Between shred/riposte and that crit on dodge talent, you can already do some funny critting without the keystone

Even without you still got riposte-lite for the talent anyway

[mint valve]

Right now im just trying to get iron rider shid, afterward i'd still use it just to be more brainless

[spark gyro]

Slap flesh tearer on the knife or shivs, get the toxin on crit and you're doing double DoTs with uncanny on top

[mighty belfry]

ya that's why i run that build the way i do for rotten

[mint valve]

If im going adrenaline with rampage is sample collector going to matter

With crowbar

[livid raven]

Yeah

[mighty belfry]

if you run a stimm for damage output, yes

if you just run a CDR stimm to get rampage back quicker

Not really honestly.

It's nice to have.

But not necessary by any means

[livid raven]

Tho having it means you can go cdr + strength

Or another combination

[mint valve]

Max wildfire is what i'll use bc i would already have a huge crit chance alone

Even without crit blessings

The extra finesse is always welcome

Though im not good at optimizing so thats why i ask for a proper skill tree if im mixing rampage with adrenaline frenzy instead of chem dependency

[mighty belfry]

Orange rotten armor may in fact be the most sloggish experience I have ever had playing this game.

Good lord these devs seriously are not testing these modifier pair ups.

[low harbor]

wdym u don't enjoy giga DR that makes psyker's dps look normal

[brittle sierra]

Havoc is such a mess

I can't enjoy this game because of it

[mint valve]

Would adrenaline smiter be any good or is it just a wasted point compared to other perks

[novel oracle]

This combo was never tested

When we got new modifiers like orange I brought up my concern with not being able to check how they work with modifiers outside the rotation

But focus was more on the modifiers themselves

[low harbor]

What if havoc only had 1 mutator per mission?

[bronze glade]

What if havoc didn't exist?

[low harbor]

Instead of 2 so u never need to think about mutator combos being potentially horrendous

[dim moth]

rotation's dumb anyways

[pallid quail]

what if they just put every modifier in the rotation

[novel oracle]

Ive been saying this

I asked for it directly

[pallid quail]

like why even have the possibility of it becoming rly stale n annoying rly fast ?

[novel oracle]

For that exact reason

Like itd become unlikely for you to get the same modifiers twice in a row, let alone 5 time like its now

That alone would do a lot to make havoc more engaging in terms of longevity

Also daily fuck rotten armor and fuck derank

[low harbor]

Havoc is fun it’s just that every gameplay system built around it sucks giant ass

[novel oracle]

And fuck slugs

[livid raven]

I never heard havoc players speak positively about havoc since it released

[novel oracle]

I speak about it positively sometimes

[pallid quail]

so im not the only one who doesnt wanna do rotten armor over n over n over n over oh wait buggy ritual map yay n rotten armor again n again n again n a

[novel oracle]

Hell its mostly what I play now

Im completely numbed to auric

[low harbor]

Since the spawn changes it’s been fun at its core

Just that every gameplay system built around it is ass

Rank system is dogshit

Mutators are dogshit

Mutator rotation is dogshit

Assignment reset is dogshit

[novel oracle]

I dont think mutators as an idea are bad
They just have a lot of real stinkers

[low harbor]

Server connection quality (not related to gameplay system but still) is dogshit

[low harbor]

There’s been 1 singular mutator that’s good

[novel oracle]

Rituals, when working properly, is a good modifier

[low harbor]

(Red)

[mighty belfry]

"When working properly"

[low harbor]

Every other mutator has been some shade of dogshit

[pallid quail]

cranial was awesome

n i wish it was in regular missions

[novel oracle]

I said "mutators as an idea"

Blight has the potential to be reworked into something neat

[low harbor]

They made pus hardened (dogshit) then proceeded to improve upon dogshit to make dogshit^2

[novel oracle]

Instead of poopy
Literally

[mighty belfry]

Smiter is very good.

[mint valve]

Any of you got an optimized talent tree for rampage + adrenaline frenzy

Idk if my shit is good

Hold on ill grab it rq

[pallid quail]

make it so the floor gets slippery

[novel oracle]

Strongly disagree

[dim moth]

I liked rotten armor before it applied to melee damage :/

[mighty belfry]

I like Final Toll honestly

[pallid quail]

u some kinda masochist ?

[novel oracle]

Final toll can be ignored if you kill things fast enough or have that much gold/regen/dr/etc

[dim moth]

or just stagger them before they're red

[low harbor]

No it’s smth that actually makes melee more interesting to me

It makes consistently reliable stagger matter more

[mighty belfry]

Its one of the more manageable modifiers.

[novel oracle]

But making every relevent enemy flip a switch and just ignore an important system the player can utilize is stupid

[pallid quail]

by negating it entirely ?

[low harbor]

No??

U can stagger on first strike then kill them

[mighty belfry]

And the main thing I like about it is that you actually have to commit to a kill

[low harbor]

Yea

[low harbor]

That’s fine I don’t mind it

At least we agree that majority of mutators are ass

[novel oracle]

Theres plenty of times where you commit to a kill then have to instantly stop otherwise you will die, now you havr to deal with 4 red ragers with 100% attack speed

[pallid quail]

yea when theres not like 9 crushers all phasing in n out of each other

[mighty belfry]

Final toll itself is fine.

It's just uh

It's never just final toll.

[novel oracle]

It makes sense on paper but in practice its either nothing or omega aids

[novel oracle]

What weapon

[mighty belfry]

And I think that's one of the more major issues with Havoc's modifiers.

[low harbor]

I’m actually kinda curious why they don’t just bring maelstrom modifiers into havoc

Nurgle bless for example

Lemme guess

It’s not dogshit enough to make it into havoc

[novel oracle]

If i see a nurgle blessed dog into my havoc game im blowing my fucking brains out

[mint valve]

Is this a good tree

[mighty belfry]

It doesn't feel like they're actually considering how these modifiers can compound into the awful shit they turn into together.

[mint valve]

Im feeling crowbar or taxe

[pallid quail]

cus thats just final toll but always on

also would be annoying af with goop cus they look the same

[mighty belfry]

Arguably

[low harbor]

Nurgle bless is chance-based

[mighty belfry]

If they only had one modifier per mission

[novel oracle]

Me personally if im running rampage im not shooting
So pickpocket,while super strong, is a waste
Id drop the horizontal line of 3 talents on the left, theyre either insignificant or have counter synergy with other talents here

[pallid quail]

they should do a super havoc with every event modifier

havoc 40000

[low harbor]

1 mutator per mission would be much better yes

[mighty belfry]

Hell I wouldn't even mind them upping the spawns a tad to compensate.

[low harbor]

No aids combo

[mighty belfry]

But ya rotten orange

[mint valve]

Would keeping swift endurance & sweet spot be worth

[mighty belfry]

I don't think I've ever died more in a havoc 40 than yesterday trying my first game of that mixup

[novel oracle]

Id at least take the adrenaline duration node
Personal pref but I use the dodge stam to maintain the stam attack speed alongside how often you push attack on taxe alongside how much you dodge on scum which cancels natural regen, plus it can instantly give you tons of stam back wheb rampage ends

[novel oracle]

What was swift endurance again

[low harbor]

Stamina atk speed

[mighty belfry]

Attack speed based on current stamina

[novel oracle]

Absolutely

But not sweet spot

Like its more damage but its not that much

[mint valve]

I see funny damage number go up, is number false

Nvm

[mighty belfry]

For taxe at least, it actually is a decent amount of damage

Not crowbar tho

God no

[novel oracle]

Its +25% to the weakspot damage bonus, so its increasing the difference between the body and headshot by 25%

[mighty belfry]

Depends on how much the weapon benefits from finesse to really get much out of Sweet Spot

[novel oracle]

Not the the total

[mint valve]

Probably using the taxe then

I neglect it alot

[novel oracle]

So even on good headshot weapons, it wont ever be actually 25%

[novel oracle]

Bm taxe imo is scums best melee weapon

[mighty belfry]

And ya in this case, I'd argue it is actually worh

[novel oracle]

Its so so strong cuz of hyper violence

[mighty belfry]

Since you also have finesse stimm

And finesse stimm actually makes Sweet Spot explode a little in output.

[mint valve]

So the only keystone mod i got is stoked rage

[mighty belfry]

Take toughness node

[mint valve]

Are there any other base perks i should prioritze above the rest

[mint valve]

Got it

[mighty belfry]

I also don't think pickpocket is really worth if you're trying to lean heavy into melee prowess personally.

Despite how blatantly overpowered it is.

[mint valve]

Would use ranged for quickly blasting a bomber or flamer

[mighty belfry]

Ya. Your base ammo pool should be just fine for that.

[muted pivot]

Would have thought hypercrit for tacaxe

What makes HV better?

[mighty belfry]

Everytime I've tried pickpocket on a melee build, in practice it doesn't do anything for me because the only time I ever really go ranged is for targets I need dead quickly that I can't reach in melee.

[mint valve]

Hyper violence outperforms

Hyper crit

[muted pivot]

I spam blue darts on the approach

[nova valley]

Well, pickpocket it's there wisely I think. Cause if you take Desperado, Pickpocket is almost useless, as you already have quasi-infinete ammo. But, if you don't take Desperado, to get quasi-infinite ammo through Pickpocket, in a melee or supp build, you have to waste a couple of points to get it. Still very strong node

[muted pivot]

Just arcane crunchy stuff?

[mint valve]

HV is more consistent than HC

[dim moth]

yeah

pickpocket is mega overrated imo

it's good for infinite ammo when playing gun scum

unnecessary for melee because you should be using your melee most of the time

[lilac schooner]

its balanced by his lack of armor killing weaponry minus stim pistol which has its own downsides

[mighty belfry]

Lack of armor killing-

What are you talking about???

[dim moth]

lack of armor killing weaponry?

are we playing the same hivescum?

[lilac schooner]

for ranged

[dim moth]

every single class in the fucking game lacks armor killing weaponry for ranged

[novel oracle]

Taxe does high damage on hit, leading to high overkill
It has bm, which scales up across it hits
Meaning you absolutely tear through mixed hordes like butter every time

[mint valve]

The humble literally anything ranged weapon:

[dim moth]

what do you MEAN

Veteran has the privilege of having TWO armor killing guns

[lilac schooner]

if hive scum had bolter itd be broken af

[mint valve]

Scum in and of itself is an armor tearer

Glass cannon

[novel oracle]

Idk what you mean
Pickpocket is broken as fuck

[dim moth]

I just don't see how pickpocket is broken but veteran's shocktrooper isn't

[compact oyster]

it would be absurdly strong

[novel oracle]

Ranged scum can outdps purg psykers in h40 whole being immortal to melee AND ranged for 90% of the game

[mint valve]

Scums entire selling point is "yes, i have no armor, but im going to blow your head smoove off because fuck you"

[mighty belfry]

My point is that because you're usually so often in melee, the value of having infinite ammo isn't as significant as with other setups

[bronze glade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1461399148581490863/371AC71.MP4?ex=696e5e04&is=696d0c84&hm=7c20225b581408e4c2c2fc923b7e94116a80173e6249070b84847f60b94816b8&

is this the glass cannon you speak of?

[novel oracle]

Is that not overpowered nowadays

[dim moth]

both are buried under some questionably useful nodes on a kind of bad left side of the talent tree

[novel oracle]

Is that where we're at

[dim moth]

My argument is that if pickpocket is what makes gun scum overpowered then veteran's shock trooper should make exe vet even more overpowered

[mint valve]

Try that but with 20 of them in a havoc 40, stuck in a corner

[dim moth]

But that obviously isn't the case

So I'm thinking the infinite ammo is not the deciding factor in gun scum being too strong

[compact oyster]

ignoring the ammo economy is perfectly healthy for the game

[bronze glade]

https://tenor.com/view/moving-goalposts-goalposts-changing-requirements-gif-25214446

[mint valve]

Survivalist vet with ammo sharing scum

[novel oracle]

Its the fact that the guns are good alongside it
They output crazy dps but burn through ammo
Las weapons dont do that
So when you cover that weakness, all thats left is that they do crazy dps, and recon weapons are just even more ammo efficient

[dim moth]

recon lasgun, laspistol, and helbore all output crazy damage into various targets

[brittle sierra]

If I become a mod, I will ban everyone who uses MOBA/MMO terminology to describe this game

[lilac schooner]

we already have a class that has essentially infinite ammo but has better class locked ranged weapons, pickpocket isnt really that broken

[kind mist]

shocktrooper hellbore is very strong.

[mint valve]

Helbore lasgun veteran literally never needs ammo

[dim moth]

the only one that horde clears is recon lasgun which has the "least infinite" ammo of the bunch

[novel oracle]

But do they output dual autopistol damage? No

[dim moth]

helbore does more

by fucking miles

Shit can hit a plague ogryn for 20K a shot

[kind mist]

shocktrooper on the others still run out of ammo if you shoot everything.

[low harbor]

Las weapons are not as directly high dps as v5 IAG or dual auto

[dim moth]

Yeah this ^

[mighty belfry]

You have not seen the DAP scums I've played with

[novel oracle]

Helbore comes close but they need to aim and have vet buffs and the target needs health for the full shot to matter

[dim moth]

Only DPS based las weapon is Recon Lasgun

And it is objectively weaker than iag scum

[novel oracle]

Scum no care
Scum kill a full zip code at once

[mint valve]

What is the best perks and blessings for the build im going for?

On taxe

I meant

[compact oyster]

also the rending desperado talent and speccing the stim only into rending so its active for almost every ranged engagement

[dim moth]

But the others are stronger they just don't dominate the lobby because no horde clear from gun

[kind mist]

reverse falloff guns with every important enemy charging at your face.

[nova valley]

I do not think gun scum is op. It's just a pure DPS, possibly the strongest DPS. Still, it does not provide anything (but DMG) to the team, and even need some support and coordination. A vet or a psyker or an ogryn will always be useful and wanted in a team. A gun scum... Not so much

[dim moth]

I do think gun scum is overpowered personally but the infinite ammo is not the reason why

It's the same shit ass reason Psyker was so busted even before they were given the best damage reduction talents in the game

They can just ignore every game mechanic and have crazy mobility

[novel oracle]

Ive singlehandedly cleared a gunner seed on the lower floor of the magistrati mid event when no one else could push it because I was gun scum and could just not get hit even without desperado
Thats not just dps, thats actual utility

[zenith fern]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-stfu-shut-your-mouth-slap-slapping-gif-8050553153066707611

[mighty belfry]

Psyker also have ranged means

That are virtually infinite ammo.

[lilac schooner]

Meh they're hard countered by armor + bosses, psyker atleast melts armor still and can stagger

[compact oyster]

completely ignore ranged damage

[novel oracle]

What team isnt bringing stuff for that cuz they piss their pants when a crusher is on screen

[compact oyster]

if there are crushers or bosses just pop desperado and a stim

[novel oracle]

You can leave that to them while you completely remove every other enemy in the game, which btw, is the vast majority of them

[dim moth]

exe MMF vet can also mostly ignore ranged damage

[compact oyster]

people forget that you can build ranged rending on scum

[dim moth]

but thye need to get a few kills first for that to happen

[novel oracle]

That takes so much pressure off of everyone

[dim moth]

God I wish the randoms I got could be trusted with this

[mighty belfry]

There's also gun scum being able to get dicey ass revives with Desperado.

[kind mist]

Ghost lasgun turning gunlines into shooting galleries.

[mighty belfry]

Just completely ignoring any sort of ranged pressure whatsoever.

[muted pivot]

We get grenade priority too

[nova valley]

Not sayin you didn't, but that is one good clutch. Or a good runs. With a new class which we just discovered how to minmax. Like literally any other classes. Ogryn can tank a Daemonhost with a shield. Arbi is just strong in ANY situation, with virtually any build you can pop out. And bubble psyker is a +5 Havoc lvls for free basically.
All the fuss is just because, like in any other game, it's the last great thing

[muted pivot]

Rockets eat crushers when you have them

[mighty belfry]

You should tell the vets I match up with that in havoc :^)

[compact oyster]

https://youtu.be/n0ad4laAflI?si=dK96RkqB6i1jpFU4

[muted pivot]

We let them get the bullets so we can take the bombs

Fair trade :)

[compact oyster]

rockets are really really finnicky to use with the delay from pulling it out and firing

[kind mist]

'Why is this person standing next to a grenade box using all their blitzes? They must not have noticed the box, I should take it so it doesn't get left behind'

[dim moth]

who tf picks up grenades as vet

brother your shit regenerates

[mighty belfry]

Arbitrator isn't as overall strong as you make them out to be here if I'll be real

[mighty belfry]

Twice yesterday

[dim moth]

Arbitrator is not that good man

[mighty belfry]

Host even asked why they were picking them up lmao

But, arbitrator is particularly good for one thing.

Or I suppose two actually.

[compact oyster]

@novel oracle have we now reached the point where arbites is powercrept

[novel oracle]

[dim moth]

They're not powercrept more like people overrate them

I didn't think Arbites was that good when they released before they got nerfed

[kind mist]

I need creative control over Terminus Warrant so I can make it good.

[compact oyster]

last i remembered arbites was the strongest class in the game when it dropped

still is very strong

[nova valley]

I don't know, it's (for me) the less complicated and most "whatever you do, you doing great" character of the roster

[dim moth]

That's them being easy not necessarily powerful

[mighty belfry]

1. Keeping the fight stabilized for the team.
2. Having so much survivability that they can buy a lot of time in a clutch situation.

However, that's the extent of their specialty.

[dim moth]

Arbites isn't weak but they are not a one size fits all character because they struggle to clear specialists and large elite groups

They are extremely durable, and honest to god probably the best or second best frontliner in the game

[nova valley]

You don't need to do much to activate stuff with arby, you just "shoot/beat to get bonuses"

[dim moth]

Just for making sure the team doesn't get overrun because of 20 rager jumpscare

But that's like their thing that's what all Arbites builds will do

Because that's just what Arbites entire talent tree revolves around

[mighty belfry]

They're the CC class

[dim moth]

It's a good important role, but frankly

Arbites personal damage output is very lacking

Compared to all other classes

[mighty belfry]

But that comes at the cost of sustainable DPS and burst damage.

[dim moth]

They've got tons of utility and ways to amp damage and keep the whole team safe but their individual damage output is not great

[nova valley]

Yes but they do not need to do particular things, or do "tricky stuffs". Just stand and fight and you are helping. Vets for example, you may need to hit crits or switch constantly from ranged to melee. Psykers need to constantly play around perils etc
...

[dim moth]

Hitting crits just depends on you playing the game normally

And switching from ranged to melee constantly is for one keystone

[nova valley]

Yes, cause they are not DPS

[dim moth]

Probably the best one but still

Yeah but like Ogryn is also right there

And they do have pretty great individual damage output

With the same damage amps for the team, and also excellent stagger

But Ogryn is also hard to play

[mighty belfry]

But then they're not good at ANY situation which is the point

Arbitrator has very clear weaknessses.

It is a very strong class beyond those weaknesses. But when it does run into them, it's very clear.

[nova valley]

All I am saying is, I do not think scum is op. It's just new+has a strong DPS when min maxed. So compared to the best CC or best tank or best support min maxed, it looks op.

[dim moth]

no best tank/supports also look very op

gun scum is actually overpowered

[mighty belfry]

It's not just strong. Its infinitely sustainable.

[dim moth]

they have so much damage and utility and complete safety

[mighty belfry]

Along with the damage and utility.

[dim moth]

the complete safety is the part I think tips them into overpowered territory

[mighty belfry]

It's too much in one package.

[low harbor]

Nah

Arb is still really strong

They’re top4-5 tho

[compact oyster]

sadly public opinion seems to think otherwise

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1451299016016007290/togif.gif

[dim moth]

that's what I'm SAYING

[nova valley]

I dunno guys. I see videos of "op gun scum" and stories of how op it is. Then I play H40 and everytime there is another gun scum or op toxic, the game is hell and for many reason the team does not work.

[low harbor]

Who’re they actually power crept by lol

Psyker yea

But psyker beats every other class by light years

[nova valley]

When just one scum joins, it's ok. 2 already makes it having cohesion hard, as they constantly wiggle around like maniacs for example

But hey, if you think I am wrong it's ok. It's just an opinion

[mighty belfry]

Tbf you should never be considering h40 as the balance post

[nova valley]

Auric then

[mighty belfry]

It's disgustingly broken in Auric

[low harbor]

Duplicate classes usually aren’t as good as different classes on a team for havoc

[bronze glade]

gunscum join psyker as unwelcome additions to any auric team

[spark gyro]

One time I joined a match and there was this psyker using scrier's gaze to kill everything in his field of view, I can't believe he was refusing to help the team by not bringing bubble

(contains sarcasm)

[bronze glade]

one person deleting the entire map is a good reason for me to leave and find another match

[nova valley]

I SEE in videos and HEAR him being broken op in chats. When I play, I do not see them being op. With the right team, very very strong.

[spark gyro]

Quickplay RNG to find people who play with their monitor off so you have space to flex

[spark gyro]

That's already two of the five senses, all you need now is to feel, smell and taste it

[bronze glade]

god forbid i don't like my teammates using cheese builds to clear the map by holding down LMB

[spark gyro]

The challenges are probably the last two

[nova valley]

Whatever

[spark gyro]

Keyboard has enough tactile feedback

[nova valley]

Sorry I expressed a different opinion than yours, edgelords

[spark gyro]

Going out of my way to specifically spam inferno staff around the zealot

[bronze glade]

yeah, this is why psyker is the #1 most barreled class

[spark gyro]

Precog duelist = smite

I will not apologize

[dim moth]

https://fximgur.com/a/HjvS4Ro the voices

[spark gyro]

Bro is using the cool lasgun variant

[bronze glade]

not as vile as the clip from dom

[dim moth]

works better with deadshot for infinite ammo

[bronze glade]

bro pushing a burster halfway across the map to explode a smyker lol

[dim moth]

didn't see that one

[spark gyro]

I wonder

If the burster isn't popping, can you just have another teammate go behind it and keep pushing it like a ping pong ball?

[kind mist]

yes, it can't start the fuse while staggered.

[mighty belfry]

Yes

[spark gyro]

Burster mosh pit

[spark gyro]

Real

[bronze glade]

this one

looks like he's no longer on the server tho lol

50 second video of him pushing this burster lmao

[mighty belfry]

deserved for having that much play time and a TS title and playing like

that

[spark gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-cat-catlaughing-laughingcat-point-gif-7577620470218150413

Guy went on an odyssey to do holy work

[bronze glade]

[spark gyro]

I'm saving this on my computer so I can print each individual frame and then hang them on the wall

Every frame, a painting

[calm aurora]

Incredible

[mint valve]

Dump stat for combat shartgun?

Scratch that, double barrel shartgun

[zenith fern]

mobility

[exotic temple]

Take fervor at the end of the spur tree. You will get zoomies and potentially broken dodges.

[high forge]

Does anyone know what this hairstyle is called?

[mint valve]

Fent

[pallid quail]

soundcloud rapper

[rancid coral]

average 2 mill dmg H40 with gunscum is uh quite something

[nova valley]

It's a dps. It's like being stunned by the durability of a tank or by the usefulness of support

[rancid coral]

I mean if you die as hive scum when you have Nimble + Jiterry

that's a big oof

[nova valley]

What if you die with an ogre with shield then?

[rancid coral]

I don't see what you're trying to hint at

[pallid quail]

blame ur dps

[nova valley]

Exactly, thank you. Smirk and "lol imma barrel that " are the reason why I should have not tried to analyse the matter and just join the mob chanting "omg it's op! Look how much bigger this number is compared to that one"

[young quail]

im using the shivs but the blade is getting the mastery for it, anyone else seen this bug?

[nova valley]

Happened when mastering and then switchin rapidly to another mastery menu. Restarted the game worked for me

[young quail]

i got the blade to level 18 without even using it before i realsied XD

[modest patio]

Taxe or shivs for a stimm supply build?

[woeful hill]

Dclaw

[nova valley]

Shivs imho

[modest patio]

I was trying to make a build, but either Taxe feels weak or I'm building it wrong lol

probably just steal someone elses build

[rancid coral]

honestly doesn't matter much since you're gonna be shooting everything with needle pistol anyways

xddddddddd

so might as well use Combat Blade for mobility or dclaw to survive rager hordes

[nova valley]

There is plenty of potential builds with HS. If you are using stimm supply and worrying about the melee weapon, I suppose you are tryin to build a melee+stimm supp build? If so just be sure to use Fast acting, so you do not need to stay there and die in a second, but you can keep kiting

Shivs are super fast and let you move quickly from one target to another, which is great on HS.

[eager zephyr]

bone saw

pick pocket needle pistol

gg

[brittle sierra]

Stop

[eager zephyr]

I love bonesaw 😦

what’s wrong with it mane

[brittle sierra]

One of the worst weapons in the game

[eager zephyr]

WTH

I don’t agree at all lmao

[brittle sierra]

Saying it's good gives Fatshark ammunition to do nothing about it

[eager zephyr]

it has good boss times no?

[brittle sierra]

It is, I'm not trolling

[eager zephyr]

Interesting

I don’t see the hate tbh

it’s nasty

[dim moth]

hardly but it's not good yeah

worst weapon in the game is a STRETCH

[final temple]

I have it on good authority that our beloved rotund guppy only and exclusively listens to random discord takes.

[brittle sierra]

Horrible mixed horde damage

Can't stagger ragers

Can't kill elites quickly enough for single target

Not even amazing in crushers

[dim moth]

all of these apply to heavy sword too and that weapon isn't even bad

[brittle sierra]

I'll take a heavy, because you can actually stagger ragers with th alt attack

[dim moth]

bonesaw can stagger them with its awful strikedown heavies

or just like touch them twice and they die to chem toxin if they're dreg ragers

[brittle sierra]

So can chain sword 😈

[eager zephyr]

why do you need elite or crusher damage when you have needle pistol?

[final temple]

we should all just have sticks. perfectly balanced.

[eager zephyr]

I think with 2 stamina curios it’s great

[brittle sierra]

Ok so it's bad into horde, so what is it good for?

[final temple]

applying tox even cheaper than pickpocket needler xD

[brittle sierra]

Sure it does good boss damage

But so does needler 💀

Just dump then start mauling

[eager zephyr]

I think if you add one of these cleave blessings it’s fine tbh

[vapid jungle]

What are we thinking is the worst?

[eager zephyr]

it’s a little slow I guess? But you have stamina curios

[brittle sierra]

Ok so what do you do if one carapace enemy is in the horde?

[eager zephyr]

the heavy?

push cancel attack too?

[brittle sierra]

How do you clear?

[eager zephyr]

I don’t think it’s as bad as your making it out to seem

with combos it’s fine it just feels clunky

[dim moth]

see before I probably would have said chainsword

[brittle sierra]

Yes let me heavy the 5 ragers in the horde and not kill a single poxwalker

[dim moth]

but crowbar is worse

crowbar is so fucking bad

[brittle sierra]

Chain sword dilemma 😔

[vapid jungle]

Ill take crowbar over chainsword every day

[eager zephyr]

It’s so cool too to bad it’s ass

[dim moth]

before hive scum release I would have said chainsword I mean

[final temple]

it doesn’t feel clunky. calling anything that isn’t turning carapace into paper and goes into hordes like an industrial blender ‘clunky’ is rather hyperbolic. so is calling things that aren’t clearly superior ‘worst’.

[vapid jungle]

I think the one chaxe mark might take it for me

The non rippy one

[bronze glade]

chord is actually ok

[dim moth]

Mk XII?

[bronze glade]

it has a specialized task and it does it well

[dim moth]

I think that's considered the better of the two chainaxes by most people

[bronze glade]

unlike crowbar

[dim moth]

yeah exactly

[nova valley]

"Random discord takes"
Sir I applaud you. No one could suggest a better, more refined, brutal and yet clever burn

[dim moth]

the "low tier melees" in this game are mostly just specialized horde clear melees

that can't kill armor for shit

[final temple]

on a sidenote, I would call thhammer the worst weapon in the game for being extremely gimmicky

[dim moth]

crowbar can't kill hordes or armor for shit!

very cool weapon

[nova valley]

"Please stop, he's already dead!"

[nova valley]

Wdym?

[brittle sierra]

CrowBAD

amirite????😈

[final temple]

While I agree that it’s base speed is pretty meh, as soon as you take swift endurance, even without a single stamina curio, it already mostly alleviates the speed issue.

[eager zephyr]

What weapon?

if we’re still talking bonesaw yeah

[final temple]

saw

[eager zephyr]

swift endurance solves everything on scum tbh

[modest patio]

not really trying to melee, but I end up in melee a lot. Rotten armor gets to be annoying too

[brittle sierra]

I don't care about the speed

[final temple]

well. I do.

[nova valley]

https://youtu.be/0ZlTIWQFGn4?si=X06kyvAB3hAVYYCO

[brittle sierra]

If I can't kill ragers or mixed hordes

Goes into the 🚮

[eager zephyr]

go watch Reginald’s video idk

he shows his testing and the speeds are fine

[brittle sierra]

YouTubers

Nah I'm good

[eager zephyr]

seems like a non issue to me when I play havoc 30+

[brittle sierra]

I've had my fill for the day

[dim moth]

rampage makes the dclaw kill everything I don't think this makes it a good weapon

crowbar is like

still only okay with rampage+adrenaline

[eager zephyr]

🤷‍♂️ we can’t just make every darktide YouTuber out to be dr doom bro

tanner I agree

[dim moth]

which any other weapon just about would be fucking batshit insane with instead

[eager zephyr]

Mr E to an extent

but Reginald is fine

[brittle sierra]

I tried to make it work in many games

I just can't deal with how it turns into a whack a mole game the moment an elite is in the horde

I can't take it anymore

[robust minnow]

Quick question: Hive City Brawler. How much extra stamina aside from baseline do you need to max it out? The new stamina+dodge bar doesn't show the extra stamina pips like it used to.

[eager zephyr]

me when my weapon isn’t hard meta

[dim moth]

it scales based on stamina percentage

[brittle sierra]

Most people just use 1 stamina

[dim moth]

0 stamina is +20% damage

[eager zephyr]

[dim moth]

100% stamina is 20% dr

[final temple]

I mean, in a meta ever so obviously powercrept by overcompensation, I suppose having a bunch of numerically underperforming weapons means scum will explode once these weapons get touched. right? RIGHT? where’s my copium huff…

[dim moth]

scum already explodes with the usual best but underused weapons on other classes

combat axe and infantry autogun

[robust minnow]

So boosting stamina makes maintaining DR easy, but getting extra damage hard. Got it.

[vapid jungle]

Crowbar is fun shrug

[brittle sierra]

Mr cringE

Wasn't he the guy who literally gets carried every game he's in?

[robust minnow]

But having +2 stamina on weapon and +3 stamina curio gives me 12 stacks of Swift Endurance.

[eager zephyr]

Stamina on weapon is crazy LMA

[nova valley]

Sorry, and you are...?

[brittle sierra]

You would be surprised

Even with my boomer hands I somehow pull ahead with the Psykers

[eager zephyr]

bro we’re so caught up on being H40 giga chads

we’re maybe 5% or less of the player base that care this much

[nova valley]

Doubt

[eager zephyr]

for your average Joe Mr E is fine we’re just min max peeps

[brittle sierra]

So why mention them?

Do they just have YouTube Rizz or something?

[eager zephyr]

I’m talking about you bro?

[dim moth]

well no his advice is usually bad even for the average joe because of his obsession with meta

a rigid meta specifically

the meta is not very rigid at the moment for any class except maybe zealot

[eager zephyr]

I agree but I think that’s also a game wide issue

[modest patio]

what's wrong with the zealot meta?

[eager zephyr]

the devs can’t balance at all

[brittle sierra]

No what I'm wondering is why did you mention Regi or Mister E at all about how good bonsaw is, but then complain about the "meta" when I say their opinions don't really matter to me

[dim moth]

shroudfield does one thing, fury does everything else, chorus is kinda bad

[low harbor]

chorus is really strong but u give up a lot for it

[eager zephyr]

I only mentioned Reginald because of his weapon testing in different situations

[low harbor]

fury is strong

shroud is strong

[brittle sierra]

We test weapons here too

[eager zephyr]

yeah I don’t think it’s useful outside of havoc you almost never need it

[low harbor]

those weapon tests u should take with a grain of salt

[dim moth]

imo chorus you lose out on more than you gain overall

[low harbor]

they are really bizarre

[eager zephyr]

Yeah of course I do

[dim moth]

the opportunity cost of shroud/fury is enormous

[eager zephyr]

there’s too many variables

[brittle sierra]

Also what are these "tests"?

Because like I said the problem with bonesaw is ragers and mixed horde

Did anything in the video somehow contradicts what I said?

[low harbor]

As weird as it sounds the better test is actually just enemies stacked into each other and fully stationary

Because that gives u the upper limit (the fastest possible)

[final temple]

here is a general advice: We are just players. Our grasp on the game as players is based on experience. Our understanding of the game as designers is for the most part dogshit. Don’t take our assessments of the state of specific classes or weapons too seriously. but absolutely consider our advice on how to play the game successfully. 😉

[sinful matrix]

I'm gonna need context

[brittle sierra]

I honestly think this is all just anecdotal

Can we go back to shitposting again?

[sinful matrix]

This is also like the third time I've stopped by to see whats up and people are complaining about meat grinder tests

And I still don't get what people are complaining about

[dim moth]

meat grinder tests don't really reflect "real" scenarios very well, but also are ultimately the only objective way to measure weaponry without player skill/AI jank affecting things

[eager zephyr]

Hmm yeah

it just sucks we can’t really get a definite number

[sinful matrix]

I mean if I wanna know how many ragers I can hit in one swing

I'm gonna spawn 50 of them a few at a time

[brittle sierra]

I don't doubt the meat grinder tests

But I need to see a comparison of bonesaw into a mixed horde versus something like CA or Shivs

[dim moth]

because obv if you're using bonesaw and get jumpscared by 20 ragers and don't want to/can't melee them just fuckin grenade them

[low harbor]

Usually u can infer those based on the stationary stack tests

[dim moth]

depends on the build I imagine

bonesaw is a very low investment melee thanks to the toxins

[sinful matrix]

Actually that leads me to a question, is that weapon website still up and being updated?

[brittle sierra]

I don't think so

[low harbor]

Because if A is slower than B when both are at their fastest possible, it’s unlikely that A gets to be faster than B when both are slowed down given active enemies

[brittle sierra]

Very straight forward

[sinful matrix]

Wish I could remember the name, I just know it was a green lmao

[brittle sierra]

Use the same talent tree

I still am interested

[low harbor]

DT breakpoint? No

[sinful matrix]

I mean that's also something you can do in the meatgrinder

[brittle sierra]

If someone can somehow show me some secret combo that helps saw into mixed horde I would love to see it

[sinful matrix]

F

[brittle sierra]

I have many times

[low harbor]

That part I can just calculate for u

[sinful matrix]

Oh, it was just an example exe

[dim moth]

(the secret combo is mostly just spamming lights to build toxin)

[brittle sierra]

I know push light light

But it doesn't solve the horde clearing into mixed problem

[low harbor]

I actually wrote my own Java programs to check stagger breakpoints lol

[sinful matrix]

For the most part, I play ogryn anymore with Branx so the answer to everything but crushers and bulwarks is "Yes, you can hit yes amount of enemies per heavy attack"

[dim moth]

the strikedown heavies are specifically good into unarmored health types and the vanguard heavies are just bad

[dim moth]

nah don't even push

[brittle sierra]

You have to push to get the diagonal swing

And the attack speed

[astral canyon]

The secret combo is actually boom bringer

[dim moth]

or that yeah lmao

[astral canyon]

What

How did you react with that video so fast

[sinful matrix]

Is that marathon

[dim moth]

actually unironically not worth the time

in the time it takes to push you could spam lights to reach L4 which is the same attack more or less

[eager zephyr]

Holy what a chad

[astral canyon]

do you just have that video on standby

[eager zephyr]

I wish I wasn’t so limited by being on console

[low harbor]

It’s actually very easy

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[brittle sierra]

Don't tell me it's 1 💀

[low harbor]

Wdym 1

[eager zephyr]

Wait are you Kuli @low harbor

[low harbor]

No

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[brittle sierra]

How many ragers does bonesaw hit?

[eager zephyr]

Ah ok

[low harbor]

1 (light sweep has 3 cleave)

[brittle sierra]

This is path, the person who made the Vet guide

[eager zephyr]

Ohh hell yeah

[brittle sierra]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[eager zephyr]

I love the vet guide

[sinful matrix]

Vet Guide: Use shout

Congratulations, you've solved vet

[low harbor]

And zealot

And maybe arb soon who knows

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[brittle sierra]

Will soon be Arbi and Psyker and Scum

[low harbor]

I actually haven’t been working on arb sections

[eager zephyr]

Where’s the ogryn one

[sinful matrix]

Ogrynomicon

[brittle sierra]

Ogryn already has a guide

[sinful matrix]

already done by @toxic dagger and crew

[low harbor]

If people really want it, that’ll be last

[eager zephyr]

True true I do love the ogrynomicon

[sinful matrix]

The pals wanted it, the pals made it, it's a good guide for beginners and people like me who need a refresher after breaks

[eager zephyr]

But I love the way path makes his guides

[sinful matrix]

I don't really see the point tbh

As we just pointed out, the Ogrynomicon already exists

and gets players 95% of the way there

just down to playing the game for the last 5%

[low harbor]

Which is why og currently isn’t in my plans

However

[eager zephyr]

Do you update the builds along with each patch?

[low harbor]

If u got time u could check the guide I made

[astral canyon]

which class do you think will be the next you add?

[eager zephyr]

like the vet builds on the steam page

[low harbor]

It’s quite different style

[brittle sierra]

99% of the playerbase is trapped in Malice

Let's get them out

[astral canyon]

the guide was made like at most 2 weeks ago

[low harbor]

arb

[astral canyon]

i see

[low harbor]

I could expand them

but unless major balance changes, prob no big tweaks to them

[brittle sierra]

Arb should be easy since there is only one ability and 1.5 keystones to take

😈

[dim moth]

though really I think the bulk of bonesaw's value in the way it does damage is mostly the chem toxin

[low harbor]

it was posted like a month ago

[sinful matrix]

this is funny

[dim moth]

because it only actually takes 1 crit+1 normal hit for auric ones to outright die to chem toxin

[sinful matrix]

Mostly because I'm an Ogryn player

"Gun" on ogryn is still the most efficient way to handle these when accounting for HP as a resource

God bless rippers 🙏

[low harbor]

because captains' shields have strict dmg gate

[astral canyon]

still there hasnt been the time for the builds to end up outdated and need to be updated

[brittle sierra]

Me with the Rashad:

[sinful matrix]

Also why Chainsaws are so good against them yeah?

[low harbor]

yea

[sinful matrix]

Zealot with a Chainaxe can nuke shields

[low harbor]

the dmg gate is per dmg instance

sawrip is multiple dmg instances in a single hit

[dim moth]

it's not as fast as caxe obviously but it sure does kill them

[brittle sierra]

Guys we figured out the saw strength

Captain shields 😈

[dim moth]

scab ragers live tho very sad :(

[brittle sierra]

Chain swords rejoice

[low harbor]

but I think u can tell that my guide is very diff style compared to ogrynomicon

[sinful matrix]

I mean we figured that out a long time ago when Karnak Hardmode was the new big shit to complete for e-peen measurement

It's very info-dumpy

Feels like a technical readout for a tank

Not a criticism mind

[low harbor]

I give u the numbers for u to figure out what u want

I also give u the ways to calculate stuff that'd be difficult to check in game

[dim moth]

but also I use blackouts so oh no a scab rager!

[sinful matrix]

I miss DT Breakpoints

[low harbor]

yea

I do too

[sinful matrix]

It was nice having hitmass at the touch of a button

[low harbor]

but

I actually have cleave listed for every melee/ranged atk in guide

for the weapons covered

[brittle sierra]

Just give it to me in Morse code

[low harbor]

so if people rly want og weapons' stats I could put that into schedule way later down the line

[sinful matrix]

I dunno. I don't have any real input on what should and shouldn't be covered

[dim moth]

flak damage to rival the almight dclaw sword (this was the strikedown heavy)

[low harbor]

.--. ... -.-- -.- . .-. .----. ... / -... .. --. / -... .-.. ..- . / -... .- .-.. .-.. ...

[sinful matrix]

I just kinda hop into the game whenever my friend invites me when she's got some free time

[brittle sierra]

Preciate it

[sinful matrix]

Branx go swoosh into hordes

I don't do a whole lot of thinking or min-maxxing anymore lmao

Ogryn

[eager zephyr]

real

I’m just happy vet has such a good guide now that I started playing it

[brittle sierra]

Arbi guide should just be:

Dog or dog less

Same build

[sinful matrix]

I haven't played arb in a hot minute

[low harbor]

I think I'll do 3 builds at most

[astral canyon]

dog more or dog less

[sinful matrix]

but last I did it had like three or four viable builds

But I did always default to the mk8 shotgun

[eager zephyr]

Ah man arbs the only class I need to level but idk

it looks so boring

[sinful matrix]

Onetapping 16 shotgunners always feels good

Arb is ogryn but human sized

and with guns that actually have accuracy for a change of pace

[brittle sierra]

I feel like Arbi is the class people can do some disgusting shit with

If they actually kill specialists

If not

[sinful matrix]

Arb is a class that lets bad players play well above their comfortable difficulty level due to the safety of the class and its weapons

Which is both a good and bad thing

[limber cradle]

Arbi is a stupidly good class stupidly mediocre players gravitate to.

[sinful matrix]

^

My point but worded more harshly lmao

Oh wait, Plasma Gun

time to control F this guide

80% everything else
69% Thermal Resist
71% Charge Rate

nice

Just what I wanted to know

God bless

the perks are unarmored/flak

(Something I figured out a long time ago)

that juicy machinegunner 1shot 🤤

Unfortunately I don't think it can one-shot maulers anymore though since their HP was buffed

and havoc buffs it even further

[brittle sierra]

Arbi players when they actually send the dog to kill the gunners:

[sinful matrix]

I usually save dog for trappers

and snipers

[limber cradle]

I'm convinced Lone Wolf is popular cause most of them don't want to micromanage the dog.

[sinful matrix]

Otherwise it just roams doing whatever it wants

[sinful matrix]

I'd argue that fatshark's dog AI forces micromanagement

[dim moth]

it's so fun when you do though

[sinful matrix]

It'd be nice if it were a little more intelligent

[dim moth]

honestly the ranged focus dog is much better at target priority

[sinful matrix]

Like I'm already sweating my unwanted nuts off trying to just keep myself and my teammates alive and to make the dog not stupid I need to micro it too

[dim moth]

that dude will like automatically hunt out annoying enemies at insane ranges

[sinful matrix]

It can get to be a lot to manage all at once

[limber cradle]

Idk i like it

Adds fun to arby for me

[dim moth]

I'm glad dog is stupid frankly

It adds a pretty huge skill component to the class

[limber cradle]

Agreed

[dim moth]

That would otherwise just be unga bunga monkey mode

[sinful matrix]

It kinda feels like it turns Darktide into an Action JRPG

[limber cradle]

Idk, I mained WHC Saltz forever and FT vet for a long time.

[limber cradle]

I'm kinda just doing that with a dog

[sinful matrix]

I just find Darktide busy enough that I get a bit overwhelmed by making the dog efficient

[sinful matrix]

that is not my point at all

Kinda rude to assume that

[dim moth]

https://fximgur.com/a/cAceKR6

[sinful matrix]

@low harbor Why not 3x toughness?

I guess an assumption that people aren't going to be playing perfectly 24/7?

[dim moth]

health so you don't die to a single poxburster in havoc 40, and to two in regular aurics

you will outright die to them if you don't have a health curio on 150 HP classes

[sinful matrix]

I guess I just would've expected that in this blurb

For non-Havoc game modes, you can swap the revive speed bonus for extra dockets.

[dim moth]

I think it also stops snipers from one shotting you

[sinful matrix]

Run piss toughness and nothing can oneshot you anymore

[bronze glade]

the only time you take 3x toughness is on arbi prob

[dim moth]

arbi-traitor

[limber cradle]

I'm a ES>VoC supremacist tbh

[sinful matrix]

I still think piss toughness shouldn't prevent oneshots

[limber cradle]

It probably shouldn't exist tbqh

[sinful matrix]

But I've been moaning about that since it was added

and it hasn't changed so w/e

[limber cradle]

I'm in the camp that it should be changed to DR or TDR or whatever

[sinful matrix]

Yeah, making it TDR makes the most amount of sense

+50 toughness, yellow bar takes -25% damage

ez az

That way people still have to play around bursters, snipers, crushers and maulers

instead of just ignoring them so long as they have a yellow toughness bar

[upbeat gyro]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbH1ChGL5D0

[low harbor]

I don't think it's as good tbh

[low harbor]

I also don't think VoC is the definitive best vet ult

[limber cradle]

Imo VoC is the best if you cannot properly utilize ES

But ES will provide more results in the hands of skilled players

Vet does not have a third ult

[sinful matrix]

I don't think it's the definitive best either, but it being team-wide and offering a huge amount of safety goes a long way in making the game easier to play

That said, extending Executioner's Stance for a minute or more is always a good feeling

[dim moth]

oh I just spend a talent point on born leader for that

[sinful matrix]

Unfortunately born leader doesn't replenish the toughness of someone who thought they could duel 5 ragers at once

(I am the person that needs the toughness, please shout)

[limber cradle]

Tbf

God themselves can't help that person

[low harbor]

gold isn't needed for 5 ragers

[limber cradle]

Sometimes you just gotta let them learn if they can't kill 5 ragers

[low harbor]

15 and gold becomes relevant

[sinful matrix]

What can I say, I'm giga out of practice and fatshark changed ragers on me and I still haven't learned the new ones lmao

[low harbor]

I don't think ragers were changed much recently?

scab just went up by 500hp

[sinful matrix]

Oh, I'm talking about their side-to-side tracking that was changed awhile ago

Like I think I've put maybe 100 hours into the game in the last year and a half or so so changes like that are still fresh to me

oh and carapace chest armor is still new to me on scabs

[low harbor]

that one mostly counters diagonal sweeps

[sinful matrix]

Yeah its a real pain on the branx

[low harbor]

but scab ragers don't attack that fast (they're a little faster than dreg rager's standard combo but much slower than dreg rager's running combo)

[sinful matrix]

Carapace having its own cleave modifier that just STOPS you is blegh

[low harbor]

I think best pickaxe rn is borovian tbh

[sinful matrix]

That's what I've been told, but I like that Branx forces me to be good at the game

You can't just mindlessly brain off with it due to the attack speed.

[low harbor]

branx really likes slam for stamina gain since it needs to push atk more often for horde control

[eager zephyr]

In havoc too?

[low harbor]

no

why do u think I didn't put an ult in the havoc build lol

[eager zephyr]

Interesting that’s cool honestly

All I hear for vet is shout and i didnt feel like playing because of it lmao

[low harbor]

stance makes vet the highest toughness replenishing class in the game (2x better than arb), gives u wallhacks on everything important, and gives u stun & slowdown immunity so u can actually frontline melee

while making ur ranged breakpoints better

[eager zephyr]

Oh wow that’s very interesting

I might toy around with it in havic next time I play : D

[tranquil fjord]

melee... executioner stance??

[drifting heron]

Yes

It works quite well

Just get a mod that prevents it from decreasing your FOV and go for it

[low harbor]

it's not rly a ranged ult anymore

[tranquil fjord]

huh

[drifting heron]

They gave it strong survivability stuff so its just a hybrid ability now

[tranquil fjord]

i guess thats something instead of being a voc bot in havoc

[eager zephyr]

how cooked am I on console

since this game has no QoL woooooo

[astral canyon]

very

we are fucked

[tranquil fjord]

good luck

[bronze glade]

doesn't sound right 🤔

[neat trout]

guess it counts down from 57. but still seems off

[eager zephyr]

Is there something I’m missing

how are people spamming box every 5 seconds

[low harbor]

Sample collector op

[eager zephyr]

I have sample collector

Am I just ass?

LMAO

like I had a scum in H27 who had box effect all game I literally can’t do that

[spark gyro]

bokis

[bronze glade]

are you taking practiced deployment?

the ult subnode

[brittle sierra]

You should be trying to drop a crate every 20 seconds

Take all of the crate subnodes

With sampler collector

That means you are trying to kill 50-100 enemies in 20 seconds

Since the sampler collector is percentage based

[low harbor]

there is a forbidden trick to refreshing stim crate

mk2 needle pistol, alt mode
and take the 30% reload speed subnode for stim

and put 10% reload speed perk on needle pistol

[brittle sierra]

NOOOOOO

Triple down, put on the reload talent 😈

[low harbor]

doesn't work, requires ranged kill

[spark gyro]

I have been playing stuff and realized something

I will never accept heavy sword as a weapon for anyone other than zealot

Even with swift endurance, it feels like a slow weapon, and even with crit it feels like it just doesn't carry enough to make use of perfect strike like zealot does

Or maybe I just got really used to rampage + adrenaline's damage

[vapid jungle]

Bro same mk6 IJ zealot is the only way to heavy sword

[spark gyro]

Despicable information: the chainaxe's sawing only counts as a single hit to extend rampage

Game successfully uninstalled

[eager zephyr]

Hmmm I guess I don’t no

My stim is 69 seconds tho

I think I solved my issue tho

[bronze glade]

you should

[eager zephyr]

I removed slippery customer for coated weaponry

should make my crate come back faster

[eager zephyr]

I don’t have a point for it

I’d rather have coated weaponry me thinks

I’ll see how it feels this game tho

[bronze glade]

better find one, cuz these two subnodes are mandatory

basically tax nodes lol

[marsh plover]

which shivs are better?

[bronze glade]

mk1

mk3 is funny tho

[spice cloud]

Get rid of pickpocket and left side nodes instead of slippery customer.

Like ur prolly going melee anyway with crate.

And its no good to remove one of the few defensive nodes.

[brittle sierra]

I wouldn't get rid of pickpocket

Let me see the full tree

[spice cloud]

Get rid of it

Useless on melee builds waste of points.

It needs like 3 useless points to get to it too.

If you dont run desperado that shit is just plain unnecessary.

[brittle sierra]

No it's not

Unlimited ammo in havoc completely removes an entire mechanism from the game

Helps you and your team

[spice cloud]

U dont need unlimited ammo

U simply dont need it

Other classes dont need it either

[frigid wyvern]

OK so you cant tell me this is not at all tempting not to throw a grenade or a rocket launcher into this crowd

[spice cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/dew-it-galactic-republic-palpatine-gif-21847982

[brittle sierra]

Unlimited ammo is one of the reasons why Psyker is the most broken class in the game by a landslide

So I see the value of it, there are other nodes that have less value you can drop

[spice cloud]

Lmao no

[bronze glade]

no civilians? i'll pass

[spice cloud]

Its the dmg

[frigid wyvern]

i want to soooooooooo much but this is a stealth mission

[bronze glade]

it's still a stealth mission if nobody's left alive to witness it

[brittle sierra]

Yeah they can drop immense damage charts without dropping a single bullet

I just want to see the tree because I am very surprised you are choked form points on the box subnodes

[spark gyro]

Fellers, I have reached the conclusion that chainaxe is poopoo

That will be all

I love my crowbar and will flagellate anyone who disrespects it

[frigid wyvern]

isnt the crowbar just a cann opener?

[spice cloud]

Its infact big poopoo

[spark gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/car-garn-garn47-car-garn47-gif-13354442343220670221

[frigid wyvern]

here the thing those once this prison door gets opened this is when shit will hit the fan

[livid raven]

is this long war

[frigid wyvern]

yes

[livid raven]

more like

bong war of the chosen

i should get the christopher odd modlist and play that

[eager zephyr]

this is… interesting advice lmao

hyper critical is a great node

so is pickpocket

[eager zephyr]

I use middle box node I guess I could swap it to bottom one

[spark gyro]

I approach pickpocket the same way I approach TWBS: I kind of learned to play the content I play without it

I was already running vet without survivalist, zealot, arby without dog... why would I stress about pickpocket

Obviously it's absolutely silly to have infinite ammo and, like old survivalist, scales hard on stuff like STG, but you I can live without it if I'm not running eldorado

[mighty belfry]

late on this but uh

hate to be the one to say it but pickpocket is a major deal for stimm crate particularly

specifically because it gives sample collector way more application

[spark gyro]

Needle pistol moment

[mighty belfry]

assuming this is a needle pistol build, but even then, having infinite ammo on crate builds in general is just really good

I'd take that logic for rampage because you do so much melee damage that you're rarely pressed to use much ammo.

and sample collector doesn't have nearly as much value on rampage as it does stimm crate

[warm stratus]

hey question: what is the difference btween hive scum cartel affiliation since it says it changes some customizations

[mighty belfry]

different tattoos

[warm stratus]

oh that's it?

ok

trying to decide between the show and Water cartel...

[spark gyro]

For my crate build I run shivs, HC, HV and crit toxin, so I just treat it as a melee build in crack flavour

[mighty belfry]

i do too but i also run pickpocket on crate

[spark gyro]

Though I'm not too concerned about crate uptime either, so there's that

Otherwise it'd be AoE needle funnies

Now that I think of it, I wanna remove the toxin blast for the crate

[mighty belfry]

the only time

[spark gyro]

Feels like I don't really do anything with it

[mighty belfry]

that node is ever truly impactful

[warm stratus]

probably going to go the show cause I like their idea

[mighty belfry]

is if you're running a very short cooldown stimm

[spark gyro]

Small area, crate deploy is kinda buggy

[mighty belfry]

because by design, if you're running something high CD, it's something you're probably trying to buff your teammates with

[spark gyro]

I would be a bit into it if I could throw the crate and manually detonate it

Like a toxic C4

[mighty belfry]

and it's awkward depending on something you want your teammates to benefit from when you also want to try and place it in a spot to get as many enemies in the 3m AOE as possible

[warm stratus]

any tips to playing the class?

[spark gyro]

Yeah

I should probably get something super cool with it, like +1 ranged dodge

[low harbor]

it's good

[mighty belfry]

how good it is, is entirely dependent on how much you can use it to bypass the jank of its design

[low harbor]

because it basically instakills everything in its radius that isn't ogryn/boss

[spark gyro]

Wacky usage

[mighty belfry]

hence why I do like it on low cd stimms

[low harbor]

which can be a lot of sample collector feedback

[mighty belfry]

it's one of those, very strong in theory but awkward in practice sorta deals

like i could recommend it on like

a 27s stimm at most

[spark gyro]

My issue with it is largely:

• If I use it on a basic horde, I already am going to kill it anyway
• If I use it on an elite crowd, I likely will be pushed back and move away from the box's range

[mighty belfry]

anything further and that's pushing it

[spark gyro]

So I gotta do stuff like place it away from enemies so it explodes by the time they reach the box or stand my ground against the enemies I'm trying to poison

[mighty belfry]

It's best used in chokepoints

[spark gyro]

I can definitely circle around a crowd, but it's a bit eh

[mighty belfry]

Where enemies will bunch up a lot so you get as much out of it as possible

which

is basically the same thing as chem nades

[spark gyro]

Yeah, that one is explosive trap 101

At least it's easy to make it work in that situation

[mighty belfry]

that being said, chem nades plus chem mines

kinda funny

[spice cloud]

Disagree

[spark gyro]

Chem nade at home

[spice cloud]

Relying on needle pistol is not how u play stim crate.

[mighty belfry]

...

[spice cloud]

Besides i only need pickpocket if i ever go below 20%

[mighty belfry]

i mean i quite literally don't see many stimm crate builds where that isn't something someone is doing

[spice cloud]

I dont

Case closed

[mighty belfry]

I mean maybe but that doesn't change that it's a thing that people do a lot because it naturally makes sense to do it.

[spice cloud]

I use stimm crate to perma buff my bonesaw

[mighty belfry]

I don't like pickpocket.

[spark gyro]

I think the only things I could do with the crate point is get toxin mania, toxic renewal (which ironically would help the crate point I'd remove), or maybe the 25% ranged damage at the top of the tree

[mighty belfry]

But I get why that's a go to for stimm crate builds