What are the best blessings for the double barrel?
#hivescum-class
dim moth
What are the best blessings for the double barrel?
man-stopper flechette/scattershot
weary elbow
novel oracle
What are the best blessings for the double barrel?
or deathspitter speedload, on scum specifically
otherwise the former on other classes
sinful matrix
I've pretty much just started defaulting to flak/unarmored these days for trundling around in auric
Like regardless of weapon it just hits the most amount of armor types you're gonna see in a mission. If not that, its usually carapace/unyielding for the chunky weapons like Ogryn's melee
manic wolf
I've pretty much just started defaulting to flak/unarmored these days for trundl...
For melee 100%, less so with ranged tho
frigid wyvern
this is completely cursed playing Xcom 2 modded
astral mountain
Seems completely normal to me. Nothing to see here...carry on
nova valley
this is completely cursed playing Xcom 2 modded
OMG!
That is horrible
Truly the worst colour for a rifle
upbeat gyro
Bit sad, but should get the job done, 15s cooldown on the stimm, Devils Claw variant that has horizontal heavies and Desperado build, just whenever stimm is up, go whack some poxwalkers
echo python
Heavy Sword with Deathblow is a good weapon to progress both of those penances as well
fast prawn
Heaby sword
upbeat gyro
That was my 2nd option, but would have consecrate
upbeat gyro
These are mission rewards that im using for this
dapper kraken
Mfw getting praised for ratting and jittering abusing.
upbeat gyro
First time i feel like surviving in baby havocs, with good psyker with bubble, guess thats what it takes
fierce aurora
burnt vapor
whats a good curio list for scum
vapid jungle
x9 stamina chad
vapid jungle
Its a lot of attack speed with the right talents that's for sure!
A more balanced answer is some combination of stam/health/toughness whatever you feel comfortable with and then revive speed and more toughness and health. Stam regen might be nice but hscum already has the fastest regen and tied for the fastest delay.
upbeat gyro
You guys told here yesterday that Desperado is broken OP so started playing it again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjsJX_l4YKU
Next up bubble+inferno psyker since that carried the games
exotic temple
Vraks goes brrr. I would say on some of those longer shots some ads might help. The accuracy goes to shit after dumping 1/3 the magazine so the ads can rein that in a bit for longer shots. Close up doesnt matter
tranquil fjord
is it though
tranquil fjord
ah
spark pelican
Yeah ;-;
This time hoping things are better
Would love to have more toughness stuff for a tank build
exotic temple
You have a bunch of tdr and dr in the tree but you also have a lot of talents that you can abuse for stupid amounts of survivability
astral canyon
youre not really supposed to tank with scum
you really need to get good at dodging
exotic temple
If you go rampage chem dep you get a bunch of innate dr. With gang tough, rampage, hcb, and chem dep it’s like 57% dmg reduc if I did my maths right.
spice cloud
Guys what are your go to blessings for the dual stubs?
tranquil fjord
desperado, run and gun
more crits for more consistent one shots, take float like a butterfly too
spice cloud
I see
spice cloud
Yeah i have all that
I played without run and gun now and i honestly dont see much difference.
I was allways using it before
I tried pinning fire and powderburn but i dont really know how much difference it made.
spice cloud
I had sustained fire before yeah
tranquil fjord
these are the most consistent buffs i find
rough peak
these are the most consistent buffs i find
Meanwhile decimator losing all stacks the instant someone kills the enemy you were going to hit:
spark pelican
Okay things are looking better. I’ll try the shotgun
With the stub knives I’m going for bleed stacks
upbeat gyro
Vraks goes brrr. I would say on some of those longer shots some ads might help. ...
Yeah looking back i noticed some moments where i should have been aiming proper, instead of spraying half mag above trapper's head from hip
exotic temple
With the stub knives I’m going for bleed stacks
Yeah it’s a high skill expressive class. The better you play the more the class rewards you
dim moth
still think people are massively overreacting about pickpocket
spice cloud
Pickpocket is just infinite ammo.
dim moth
yeah but like everyone seems to point fingers at it as the overpowered talent on scum
when veteran has had infinite ammo since forever
dim moth
true
spice cloud
Its just super usefull
dim moth
their infinite ammo is better since it keeps the ammo in the mag
instead of still having to reload
spice cloud
I think of it this way: if i have inf ammo on a desperado build i wont make my team fume by picking up every ammo pack.
I think its better for all of us
dim moth
I don't pick up ammo packs on gun vet either :/
laspistol and helbore are straight up ammo positive even when shooting 24/7
you will regain lost ammo if you end up dying for some reason
spice cloud
Yeah vet can manage an entire mission without pickups.
But its way easyer with puckpocket
Im just not so sure about gunsilnger improved.
dim moth
getting crits is a somewhat easier task than killing a specialist/elite
spice cloud
Is it even worth it to have?
dim moth
I have had instances of running out of ammo on gun scum because elite/special spawns dry up
and my teammates have suddenly acknowledged that those enemies exist
and kill them
spice cloud
I have had instances of running out of ammo on gun scum because elite/special sp...
True but you can really just melle at that point
Its not like non special hordes are any threat anymore.
And i can still activate desperado and suddenly have ammo again
manic wolf
Meanwhile decimator losing all stacks the instant someone kills the enemy you we...
Pretty much exclusively a blessing for super fast weapons coz of that, good on TacAxe tho for sure
vapid jungle
Vets ammo abuse is limited to lasweapons hscum is not restricted in this way
Thats what pushes it over the edge to me anyway.
slim holly
does the hyper-violence added damage benefit from multipliers like close damage and can it crit / hit weakspots?
tranquil fjord
i think the added damage is applied after multipliers
bronze glade
yup
dim moth
you know a thought just occured to me that playing exe vet to compare shock trooper infinite ammo to gun scum infinite ammo with randoms
I may be too good at exe vet
and I actively starve pickpocket users of ammo by single handedly clearing the entire map of elites/specialists
rough peak
and I actively starve pickpocket users of ammo by single handedly clearing the e...
smthing smthing "I love you, you actually can target stuff unlike randos"
exotic temple
I’d rather deal with you being too good at your job than not being good enough
rough peak
Yeah
any day
I've dealt with bad randos for too long, competent players are a godsend
bronze glade
idm bad players
as long as they're not toxic teammates
the bar's really fucking low
tranquil fjord
and I actively starve pickpocket users of ammo by single handedly clearing the e...
the ammo was promised to them 3000 years ago
exotic temple
I get really aggravated on ogryn because of this. It’s like I’m tanking the horde and the crusher just please kill the specialists
bronze glade
and teams still somehow piss me off
rough peak
idm bad players
I don't get bothered by them, I just love competent players cause they blow my exceptations since they're 0 for randos
bronze glade
competent players make the game more boring tbh
rough peak
I've been burned enough times I don't care if it's more boring, it's nice
sure it's a rush to play out of your mind and dominate everything, but, sometimes it's nice not to have to as much
patent bone
dim moth
I get really aggravated on ogryn because of this. It’s like I’m tanking the hord...
arbites magdumps their shotgun and fails to kill even a single one
reloads and does it again
still hasn't killed anything
rough peak
Yep
bronze glade
arbites magdumps their shotgun and fails to kill even a single one
average cop accuracy
they just need to shoot at unarmed civies that are no threat to them
then the accuracy goes up
dim moth
that's also something I had a revelation about recently somewhat unrelated
I don't really see dumbass knife zealots or recon lasgun veterans super often anymore
because all those dumbasses are arbites players now
bronze glade
arbi shotgun players are so fucking bad
dim moth
magdumping their gun into hordes all game and somehow still has shit damage
eats all ammo
bronze glade
I don't really see dumbass knife zealots or recon lasgun veterans super often an...
lol had a h40 clearance recon las vet last night, but he was actually a decent player
dim moth
arbites runs ahead out of coherency and fucks the entire team over with spawns the entire game
bronze glade
while i was playing the asshole arbi shotgun build
naturally my damage eclipsed his
exotic temple
Which is really sad because it’s kinda hard to miss with a shotgun.
rough peak
Which is really sad because it’s kinda hard to miss with a shotgun.
Me on my way to miss the broad side of a barn at point blank range:
rough peak
they don't miss
They don't miss, I do... the sad thing is I have good target priority...
My accuracy isn't as bad as I make it out to be, but, it's not good either
It's probably average
vapid jungle
I don't really see dumbass knife zealots or recon lasgun veterans super often an...
The dumbass knife zealot life chose me
Zoomzoom
rough peak
The dumbass knife zealot life chose me
rough peak
because all those dumbasses are arbites players now
You can bet they'd still be dumbass recon and knife players if arby had those weapons
dim moth
the universe corrected itself
rough peak
the universe corrected itself
vapid jungle
https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ghost-turn-warhammer-40k-gif-1103157494713790475
I have the same cosmetics XD
spice cloud
yeah well it's op
Yeah it really feels powerfull
I like it more then dual autos tbh.
I dont know why i dont like those.
spice cloud
and I actively starve pickpocket users of ammo by single handedly clearing the e...
Well i wish i had vets like u
Whenever i play a melee class with no real ramged option that sniper will atay alive for 5 minutes
exotic temple
I swear sometimes I get bot team mates but that’s an insult to the bots because they will 180 no scope a sniper from half the map away
spice cloud
I swear sometimes I get bot team mates but that’s an insult to the bots because ...
Forreal
Like i beg you please shoot it instead of my back.
oblique mist
How does support works for Hivescum ? Could you heal ?
spice cloud
How does support works for Hivescum ? Could you heal ?
Drugs
spice cloud
How does support works for Hivescum ? Could you heal ?
Crate builds
Buff them a lot
And heal corruption
exotic temple
How does support works for Hivescum ? Could you heal ?
You can but it’s weird, you better off getting a good cartel stim than trying to scavenge green stims off the map
dim moth
Whenever i play a melee class with no real ramged option that sniper will atay a...
Not on my watch
oblique mist
You can but it’s weird, you better off getting a good cartel stim than trying to...
What do you mean by weird ?
spice cloud
What do you mean by weird ?
Tghnss stim is kinda bad
exotic temple
So you have to take crate without a cartel stim and find the green stims to heal
spice cloud
Its better to go for strenght cdr or atrack speed and atun immunity.
exotic temple
Th crate will heal corruption but that’s all the base healing it does
spice cloud
So you have to take crate without a cartel stim and find the green stims to heal
I never thought about that lol
Sounds kinda funny tho
exotic temple
It’s really awkward and most people Hoover those up
spice cloud
Healing on a pretty low cd sounds kinda busted tho.
exotic temple
Well it’s not often you find green stims back to back though
spice cloud
True.
exotic temple
It would be interesting if you had a coordinated team but that’s a lot of work when cartel stim exists.
spice cloud
I mean in the end if you dont loose much health the cartel special will allways be better.
fallen grove
does Adrenaline Smiter work with Hyper-Critical? No, right?
IIRC there was a whole stink about Hyper-Crit not triggering any on-kill nodes a while back
But I don't remember if that was changed in any hotfixes
astral canyon
You can test it on psykanium
fallen grove
I will, just wondering if anyone knows off hand
trim wind
Or look at patch notes!
fallen grove
it looks like they do trigger together in the psykhanium, guess they patched it after all
verbal dew
what are ppl running on db for stim crate build?
just taking advantage of crit blessings or
winter tusk
crude dagger
winter tusk
crude dagger
winter tusk
exotic temple
They iz cunnin
tranquil berry
and delicious
exotic temple
And make propa hat
spice cloud
Guys what blessings do you put on tha crowbar?
astral canyon
Superiority opportunist
spice cloud
Ok thx
crude dagger
You want half life on your crowbar
exotic temple
I thought that was the perks you ran…
zealous ravine
Guys what blessings do you put on tha crowbar?
i use can opener superiority but in reality i cope and seethe
nova valley
Guys what blessings do you put on tha crowbar?
Can opener and whateveryouwant
zealous ravine
Interesting blessings
idk how i read perks
zealous ravine
darktide was made for adhd players
rough peak
real
crude dagger
You mean i was supposed to know what I'm doing?
rough peak
Yeah
final temple
rough peak
Now we need another one that says "You guys have weapons?!"
final temple
crude dagger
You have things?
dull valve
any tips on how to do rapors eye penance? idk what vultures mark is
echo python
It's the leftmost keystone
astral canyon
You have things?
you have?
low harbor
https://youtu.be/wDuPnJ-5qis?si=tYlWOe6T0QL1leWB
it's rly good
spotted 1 mistake tho
bolt weapons' explosions don't hit base armor type, they hit center mass (which is different)
and the ranged attacks can hit any hitzone like normal, only explosions are limited to hitting center mass
zenith fern
a good YT video guide?
in this fine youtube content creation?
Full of misinformation and not well search?
low harbor
still a B-
8/10 because of the bolt weapon mistake, and he didn't go into that much detail on the ragers' differences
I think it's worth noting that dreg ragers have different behaviour based on the distance you're away from them when they start combo
and u can actually control the attacks they use by playing around that
additionally there's a massive mass discrepancy between dreg and scab ragers
scab ragers are much harder to cleave through and their carapace center mass makes this more apparent
an attack with 9.5 cleave can hit 3 dreg ragers, but won't even cleave through 1 scab rager
crude dagger
Almost like it's harder to pen armor over skin
calm aurora
8/10 because of the bolt weapon mistake > ?
zealous ravine
8/10 not enough tides
low harbor
8/10 because of the bolt weapon mistake > ?
No, that and ragers
main wagon
I think it's worth noting that dreg ragers have different behaviour based on the...
What's the trick for this because I've always told friends to dodge into them like a cspawn to try and get behind, rather than just spamming backdodge and eating the whole thing if they don't have a gun to respond with
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Danke
low harbor
Basically
Stick close to Dreg ragers
If u dodge too far away from them it only makes them harder for ur team to deal with
main wagon
Makes sense yeah
I try to teach my guys how to disengage safely because positioning is the one thing I see them struggle with the most rn
Having an escape plan that makes like half the horde instantly not your problem is massive
Two of them also have a habit of pushing and dodging further into the horde/map rather than looping back to the team who's carving through everything else
upbeat gyro
Living My hivescumlife, litemode, alcohol
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So I'll hit em with "youre all alone up there big dawg"
low harbor
It’s also worth noting that
The more u try to kite Dreg ragers
Because of their attack changing based on distance
The harder they’re to kill for melee players
main wagon
Basically they cover your entire window of opportunity in "damage" yeah
I've seen a couple times where they've tried to use FGS/Relic range to their advantage just to get hit with cascading combo speeds
crude dagger
You guys fight ragers head on?
I just blow their head off
I don't care to engage ragers
main wagon
You guys fight ragers head on?
In small groups of like 2-3 they're fine for me
Once I can fill my entire crosshair with ragers I pull out my gun
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Gunscum is a bit more generous in that I pull out my gun whenever the enemy can be pinged
And even if it cant
crude dagger
Scum specifically? I tap them 1-2 times with needlebefore they can touch me
They die fast
main wagon
I recently reorganized my gunscum for two +3 stam and 1 toughness curio, and took the "kills give enhanced cleave" talent
Feels so much better now
livid raven
i found the rare shield mode ogryn in the wild
crude dagger
I like sheild
livid raven
yeah but you prob shouldn't go into braced shield mode in front of a horde of dogs
in aurics
main wagon
Arbites I can do just fine but Ogryn shield genuinely gives me wrist pain from holding LMB
main wagon
I got a buddy playing shieldgryn who's seen the light of "taunt on block"
He just tanks sniper shots and starts cackling while they kick the air
Occasionally while I'm orbiting the team like an angry electron I'll just see a sniper kicking the shit out of a support beam and go "oh hey there's one back here"
crude dagger
I'm still getting used to actually using block
low harbor
I can barely handle 1
They’re not hard
crude dagger
I'll use sheild and maul on arby and never fuvking block
bronze glade
Arbites I can do just fine but Ogryn shield genuinely gives me wrist pain from h...
mods can help if you're on PC
blocking can be pretty good on arbi shield
crude dagger
They’re not hard
I mean, when you stagger them like that, i imagine they're not hard
main wagon
blocking can be pretty good on arbi shield
That's my secret, Cap. The enemy don't get a chance to attack when I play Arby
crude dagger
Exactly
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BTL + Shield Special + Shotgun tells most enemies to go fuck themselves
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Cherry on top is your raw stagger
bronze glade
sorry but i don't believe it
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I'm not a H40 gamer, I'm speaking strictly Aurics/Maels
crude dagger
I forget to block cause i didn't need to for like 80% of the mission
low harbor
I mean, when you stagger them like that, i imagine they're not hard
Most classes have weapons that can stagger groups of them
bronze glade
arbi has a lot of stagger, but there's also a lot of things you won't be able to stagger immediately all the time
crude dagger
Ill push though
bronze glade
like snipers
low harbor
And for the weapons that don’t
crude dagger
I just blow snipers
low harbor
They usually have high dodge stats
main wagon
I regularly go through missions on Arby with the least damage taken and sometimes it's <100 lol
bronze glade
I just blow snipers
you what snipers?
bronze glade
I regularly go through missions on Arby with the least damage taken and sometime...
i usually end up taking more damage
because arbi is fucking stupid
and i know i can get away with it
crude dagger
I turn snipers into red mist
I see red line and they're dead
I don't care to play gimmicks and cheese with my food
I just kill them and move on
bronze glade
ok because blow has another, much more prominent meaning
crude dagger
No, sniper is the last thing I would blow like that
low harbor
I’m sure
crude dagger
All snipers deserve instantaneous and spontaneous combustion
crude dagger
If the sniper isn't dead the frame they spawn I'm sacrificing the psyker
zenith fern
I turn snipers into red mist
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All snipers deserve instantaneous and spontaneous combustion
I got this satisfying shot the other day
crude dagger
Ragers, snipers, bursters, and muties are kill on sight for me
crude dagger
All orgyn get the death penalty from me
brittle sierra
All orgyn get the death penalty from me
Ayo what the fuck
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I would sooner give the lives of my last 3 animals than take a Bulwark into my household
ALLIED shield ogryn? Baby, precious, amazing
crude dagger
I hate the reapers
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Enemy shield ogryn? Death. Desolation. Oblivion.
Reapers have a nice soft face and I appreciate that
Stalker gunners can eat shit though
crude dagger
Ill tuck my fellow ogryn in goodnight with a kiss
All heretical orgyn get met with bolter fire
And slurs
Bombers are also kill on sight for me
main wagon
This is the way
crude dagger
Like if i can help it, I'll just kill most any elites and specials before they can touch anyone really
Idk if i can finesse a rager I'm blowing its head into fine red mist with my bolter
main wagon
I love being the eliter deleter, but then nobody mows the lawn
When I start mowing the lawn, nobody deals with the specials
I love Darktide
crude dagger
I do both
I usually run my gun for bossing and melee for mobbing
Because there's not a lot of bossing i usually don't stray from just shooting whatever i feel like
high gull
Damn so scum really isn't getting more cosmetics huh
stable kindle
Arbites hasn't got any new stuff either, I wish I knew why Fatshark don't put anything together even if it's just basic recolors or small asset swaps.
main wagon
I've been AFK on the mourningstar and I just shifted my mouse to turn towards the shop and hit something solid
I still had my controller plugged in from playing Shadow of War
I am not playing controller darktide by choice
Only necessity on the deck because it has paddles
stable kindle
Damn so scum really isn't getting more cosmetics huh
And i mean it's not like they NEED to make new assets.
There are plenty of models already available in the game that can be used for a hive scum
This is just the Tallarn desert raider set
Just a recolor and it already looks great.
I wish they would do this because I'd absolutely pay for it.
I don't feel like backlash from recolors in the slop store concerns them at all, considering the rotation we just got
They could just sell some cosmetics from the other classes, swap some pouches
low harbor
Recolors are fine if they look good
crude dagger
I wouldn't pay for a recolor
modest patio
Taxe and rampage a good combo?
low harbor
Taxe and rampage a good combo?
yez
modest patio
something like this?
low harbor
works
modest patio
I'll give it some runs
stable kindle
I wouldn't pay for a recolor
They could also put recolors in the commissary store
Or penance gear
Scum and Arbites don't have Havoc 40 gear
Which, personally I think is absolute bullshit
pallid quail
yea that was lazy af of them. like i know gw can be rly nitpicky about maintaining the purity of their product but surely they couldve just copied an existing model n called it good
zealous ravine
fatshark ran outta arby budget forever
stable kindle
It's not like the Havoc gear is tied to any actual models
pallid quail
idk i dont have intimate knowledge of how gw interacts with their licensees
kinda wish i did tho
zealous ravine
all i know is that they have weekly meetings and everything goes through them
pallid quail
if i was like insanely rich id buy gw or at least a huge stake in it
crude dagger
I'd be fine with that
crude dagger
They could also put recolors in the commissary store
I'd be fine with that, but the paid skins would have to be either truely unique, or versitle with what exists
pallid quail
like wow but even bigger
crude dagger
If i was rich i would make a warhammer game akin to monster hunter
zealous ravine
im ok with a warhamemr mmo if the combat is good
usually mmo combat is uh some doohickey sorta thing...
zealous ravine
yeah i dont like that combat type
pallid quail
im ok with a warhamemr mmo if the combat is good
yea ofc. im nitpicky about good combat. hence why i could never force myself to buy space marine
zealous ravine
sm2 combat is defo uh
pallid quail
1 dimensional
zealous ravine
defo lets you do stuff every 5 seconds
crude dagger
Rotational gameplay requires thinking, and good balance to do
zealous ravine
then you gotta wait 5 more seconds
crude dagger
I like where winds meet combat
pallid quail
imagine tho like every faction having different classes n lvling mechanics n whatnot
zealous ravine
i liked new world combat but that gam is exploding soon
crude dagger
imagine tho like every faction having different classes n lvling mechanics n wha...
Star wars did that... it didn't end well cause everyone wanted to be a jedi
pallid quail
like if ur chaos u start undivided n can remain so or eventually pledge ur soul to one of the dark powers
or how cool a rly deep tyranid evolution system would be
pallid quail
Star wars did that... it didn't end well cause everyone wanted to be a jedi
yea cus wtf else would u wanna be ?
zealous ravine
jedi but red
pallid quail
anyone remember old ps2 battlefront with the mos eisley heros only map ?
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dusky wind
anyone remember old ps2 battlefront with the mos eisley heros only map ?
It was so peak
Played it on my old pc when I was little
dusky wind
Star wars did that... it didn't end well cause everyone wanted to be a jedi
oh yea that sucked, killed the game
crude dagger
yea cus wtf else would u wanna be ?
A stormtropper ig
pallid quail
jumping around with wrist rockets was so op
dusky wind
i was all over jango/boba fett in that
Sameeeee, just chilling on roofs and stuff haha
pallid quail
palpatine was also goated
dim moth
Star wars did that... it didn't end well cause everyone wanted to be a jedi
Swtor classes are reskins not actually mechanically different across factions
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SWTOR literally went "lol you're just picking the story but play whatever gamepaly class you want from either side"
It was pretty based
Imp Agent with the Rebel Scoundrel spec so you just point blank mercenaries with a scattergun as James Bond
dusky wind
Swtor classes are reskins not actually mechanically different across factions
Its about the other mmo, the one that was a player driven world with jobs and stuff
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ArchAge?
I remember you actually went to court in that one and the players were hilariously draconian
There were actual land disputes because Korean players took all the land for housing and farming
dusky wind
Star Wars Galaxies I think
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Ohh Star Wars specifically
dusky wind
yeaaaa
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Yeah Galaxies is the one that got "ruined" when Jedi became a normal class
AFAIK It was like EVE-tier for that player economy stuffs but an actual game instead of a spreadsheet simulator
dusky wind
yeaaaaa
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I've not heard a lot of people talk negatively about Galaxies but then again they do tend to be old-head MMO players, so there is a bit of bias lol
dusky wind
I wish I couldve played it when it was alive
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I think a 40k MMO would need to be more like New World/Once Human rather than a traditional tab targetting MMO in 2026
dusky wind
seemed fun
dusky wind
I think a 40k MMO would need to be more like New World/Once Human rather than a ...
Definitely
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Shit even go full Vindictus, just please don't make it as bad as that was
zealous ravine
im happy as long as i get to stab stuf with big melee weps
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Now that I think about it, Vindictus wasn't really MMO in the traditional sense, it's more like Destiny 2's kind of "yeah it's technically a massive online multiplayer game but..."
pallid quail
I think a 40k MMO would need to be more like New World/Once Human rather than a ...
yea definitely it would be fps
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Destiny the most you'll see players is at the hub, rather than one particular city in the game being a place where everyone conglomerates
pallid quail
no 3rd person slop
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Even on their planets it's a large expanse of nothing just so you can enter an instance
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no 3rd person slop
Be gone, demon
zealous ravine
i like first person melee mor personally
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Thirdperson is the only way it should be
zealous ravine
almost like im a darktide player or something
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Not for melee
pallid quail
🤮
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But for an MMO?
crude dagger
Swtor classes are reskins not actually mechanically different across factions
Not that one
Bioware made that
zealous ravine
dunno mmo doesnt necessarily need 3rd person
zealous ravine
i don need to look at my char always
crude dagger
If my mmo doesn't have 3rd person with paid cosmetics, I'm deleting it
zealous ravine
and first person is more immersive anyways
crude dagger
No way I'm paying 20 bucks to not see my own skin
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Unironically
Darktide you at least get to walk around the Mourningstar in thirdperson, and some actions and such let you see yourself in additon to getting different "hand" skins from them
dim moth
Its about the other mmo, the one that was a player driven world with jobs and st...
oh galaxies
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Destiny throws you into TP for all your emotes, riding your spacebike, and a handful of the roaming supers
crude dagger
and first person is more immersive anyways
A lot of mmos offer 1st person, but you'd be hard pressed to enjoy an mmo in 1st person trying to heal your party
zealous ravine
heal? shoulda dodged the attacks smh...
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A lot of mmos offer 1st person, but you'd be hard pressed to enjoy an mmo in 1st...
Killing Floor players eyeing you up rn
pallid quail
and first person is more immersive anyways
3rd person is like oh might as well just watch someone else play it like a filthy str*amer
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I know it's not an MMO but still funny lol
crude dagger
Killing floor is a 4 player co-op though right?
zealous ravine
6 i think
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Bog woke up and chose trolling today
zealous ravine
3rd person is like oh might as well just watch someone else play it like a filth...
3rd person just doesnt let me see the melee gamplay up close
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Very respectable o7
zealous ravine
so i usually like first person more
crude dagger
In ff14 you have to heal up 8 people in 3 parties of 8
pallid quail
3rd person just doesnt let me see the melee gamplay up close
i also view it as cope from devs who cant figure out how to properly animate weapons in first person
crude dagger
Everquest is worse
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The techpriest player with 205 FOV so they can see the entire arena
crude dagger
1st person is better when I'm not playing any mmo game
pallid quail
i maybe wouldve stuck with helldivers if it was first person
zealous ravine
that gam would still be eepy
crude dagger
Idk man, i fall asleep playing cod, that shit is 1st person and its so unimmersive
Sifu would be ass 1st person
zealous ravine
i wonder when i last played cod
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I've been enjoying Shadow of War recently and grew up on old school Asssasin's Creed so I really do struggle imagine how you believe thirdperson melee has to suck unless you specifically want something like Chivalry's 1:1 "your weapon hits exactly where you aim it" gameplay, but you probably wont find anything that technical in an open world MMO anyways
crude dagger
I don't know why anyone would want something to suck in any game no matter the reason
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Enough normies loved SM2 that GW could definitely get away with a thirdperson action MMO that wouldn't feel awful
austere coyote
I've been enjoying Shadow of War recently and grew up on old school Asssasin's C...
anything that technical would also be a netcode nightmare
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I think you only really get the hardcore "I AM NOT CHALLENGED ENOUGH" players saying SM2 sucks
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anything that technical would also be a netcode nightmare
Bingo
It's why tab targetting systems with bars of abilities on GCDs exist in the first place
dim moth
I've been enjoying Shadow of War recently and grew up on old school Asssasin's C...
yeah best you can hope for in an MMO is Phantasy Star Online 2 combat
or ESO
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PSO2 was so good
dusky wind
I think you only really get the hardcore "I AM NOT CHALLENGED ENOUGH" players sa...
I didnt like it that much since the gameplay feels a bit clunky, but it was fine for playing through the story
crude dagger
Pso2 bored me
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Classic PSO2, genesis is weird
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I never got into ESO because it looked like it got very Korean MMO towards the endgame
dim moth
so you have to download that, and then the real game
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But yeah, that
dim moth
open world mode did come with a complete shader/texture overhaul for everything including all the old stuff tho
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I say was because I can't be arsed to play it but it's very much alive
Last time I played was around last year when they were doing some event
pallid quail
I never got into ESO because it looked like it got very Korean MMO towards the e...
skyrim online has like 1/10th the depth of korean particleslop
dusky wind
Warframe when
Stopped playing Warframe around the time they introduced open world stuff
crude dagger
I stopped playing warframe after 1999
dim moth
I stopped playing warframe after 1999
old ass
crude dagger
No that's the update
dim moth
warframe is like a seasonal allergy for me
I'll hop on with an overwhelming urge to play the game again for a couple of months a year
And then uninstall it and swear to never play it again until sometime next year
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Last time I played Warframe bowmag was still a meme and there was no open world
When I reinstalled it and they put me on my ship I was like "Where the fuck am I what was I even doing"
I just have fond memories of farming orokin potatoes
And how dogshit the PVP was in dojos
crude dagger
I lost a lot of interest after finishing new war
PvP in mmos is never good
Always competing with meta and BiS people
dim moth
PvP in mmos is never good
no it is good you just aren't the target audience for them
exotic temple
Damn so scum really isn't getting more cosmetics huh
Fat shark is a Swedish company. It’s customary for them to take 1-2 months off around Christmas. If you were expecting anything new between mid December to February , prob March, prepare to be disappointed.
crude dagger
no it is good you just aren't the target audience for them
Yeah pvp exists in mmos for the 1% of people who would actually do it
dim moth
correct
high gull
Fat shark is a Swedish company. It’s customary for them to take 1-2 months off a...
I mean this was more as a sarcastic comment
I already know this class isn't getting shit in terms of additional cosmetics
crude dagger
Papth of exile and diablo pvp are the worst shit ever
pallid quail
Yeah pvp exists in mmos for the 1% of people who would actually do it
i mained pvp in wow n destiny. good times
dim moth
Papth of exile and diablo pvp are the worst shit ever
ARPG
not MMORPG
seperate genres
crude dagger
Destiny is the only game I'll accept pvp cause bungie isn't braindead... well old bungie wasnt
New bungie it's holding you at gunpoint and asking you to pay to play
zealous ravine
destiny 2 p vp 😨
zealous ravine
ngl d2 pvp was awful
crude dagger
It used to be good
dim moth
yeah power fantasy game pvp it was doomed to be dogshit
zealous ravine
just getting 1 shot simulator
dim moth
especially with how much power is in your gear
crude dagger
Old bungie devs wouldn't make it dogshit
They all left before or during d2 development
zealous ravine
Old bungie devs wouldn't make it dogshit
i think bungie even fired the music guy
zealous ravine
imagine if fatshark fired jesper i think people would take up pitchforks
crude dagger
Laid off 80% of people right after lightfall
calm aurora
woooh
crude dagger
Lightfall preformed so bad they decided to fire people for their own mistake, most were senior devs
The people you don't fire
pallid quail
just getting 1 shot simulator
wtf are u talking about the ttk was like an eternity in there
crude dagger
I haven't touched it since witch queen
zealous ravine
wtf are u talking about the ttk was like an eternity in there
how
pallid quail
jk i mained crimson n a fusion rifle
zealous ravine
is that meta stuff i dont even know
eager reef
the saddest part of destiny is that it had a ton of great idea that they implemented poorly then later abandoned
crude dagger
jk i mained crimson n a fusion rifle
I hate you
pallid quail
i had this max range max stability plug one adept that legit crossmapped mfs
crude dagger
the saddest part of destiny is that it had a ton of great idea that they impleme...
Like i said, none of the original employees that made even d1 work at bungie anymore
That's not even a joke
dim moth
wtf are u talking about the ttk was like an eternity in there
I think they mean Diablo 2
not Destiny
eager reef
Like i said, *none* of the original employees that made even d1 work at bungie a...
insult to injury, when destiny was good it was "really" good
dim moth
If they do mean Destiny then I am right there with you
pallid quail
always thot it was weird how few crimsons i saw in my time. however when i did run into one i understood why ppl bagged me on the rare occasions they got a kill
dim moth
Crimson was just a really annoying mid-tier whenever I was playing PvP seriously
pallid quail
yea the ttk was an eternity for most weapons
crude dagger
I played pvp in d2 for dailies
zealous ravine
if only that were true
pallid quail
rly for anything not a one shot
dim moth
Destiny 2 PvP sandbox is generally high TTK yeah
The only weapons taht would one shot is fusion rifles, shotguns, and snipers
exotic temple
I already know this class isn't getting shit in terms of additional cosmetics
Eh if they don’t put cosmetics for the class out they are just throwing money away. Arbities is a weird case because every design choice they make has to go through a GW rep and arbities has a certain look. Hive scum is basically a blank slate with a huge amount of source material they can pull from
dim moth
all hd limited ammo
crude dagger
D2 wasn't going to be halo, but it had the framework for its pvp
dim moth
snipers had to be a headshot
pallid quail
do ur taxes in the time it takes to kill with anything automatic
dim moth
shotguns had to be nearly point blank (or also a headshot for slugs)
pallid quail
i know lol
dim moth
fusion rifles had pretty far range but had a charge time and fuckin' recoil you had to manage lmao
high gull
Eh if they don’t put cosmetics for the class out they are just throwing money aw...
To be fair right
crude dagger
D2 is just ass, it was after they started "sunsetting" content
pallid quail
i was just so floored by the shitters calling felwinters 8ft range too high
high gull
We've had this talk about arbities
And on one hand
Arbities does technically have other models
And art
BUUUUT
pallid quail
fusion rifles had pretty far range but had a charge time and fuckin' recoil you ...
recoil
not mine lmao
crude dagger
Arbites but red being the hardest cosmetics to obtain feels wrong
high gull
There's also the red revalatum outfit arbities has
That fatshark just refused to release
zealous ravine
scary this is too scary
crude dagger
Modern bungie can kiss my ass honestly. Marathon isn't going too survive
pallid quail
i dropped a 34 - 0 on anomaly using only bastion a 5/6 of the other team sent me hatemail
exotic temple
So it's kinda just sitting there
Which is very sad because a cosmetic in dt is a great way to utilize those old models
zealous ravine
i have 0 hope bungie can do good pvp
high gull
Which is very sad because a cosmetic in dt is a great way to utilize those old m...
Honestly yeah
And if we REAALY
And I mean REEAAAALLY wanna stretch the envelope
The outfits the arbities have in rogue trader
crude dagger
i have 0 hope bungie can do good pvp
I find it funny that they think marathon will perfom well when it's another 40$ generic excretion shooter with 20 dollar skims and battle passes at launch
exotic temple
All GW has to do is update or refresh the old range and now they have a great way to cash in as well
zealous ravine
oh god it was an extraction shooter wasnt it
crude dagger
You haven't seen gameplay, or the controversies
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https://gyazo.com/c8881b4c82a6c69ab61f9ab653f0d6d9
My last act of Destiny 2 was uppercutting the shit out of people with Arc hunter and Traveller's Chosen
crude dagger
They stole art
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When they brought it back
zealous ravine
i've seen the gameplay and the stolen art stuff
dim moth
also the fucking chaperone
zealous ravine
gamplay looked sloww
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Lol the fucking chaperone
crude dagger
i've seen the gameplay and the stolen art stuff
Marathon is literally the framework of D2 but extraction shooter. Like its creatively brankrupt
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In a game with that much bullet magnetism saying "b-but they gotta headshot" was always so silly
One update you could literally throw a hunter knife 180 degrees away and it would arc back into an enemy behind you
high gull
All GW has to do is update or refresh the old range and now they have a great wa...
GW'd pride is a hell of a thing
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Bounced off walls and shit lmao
high gull
If there's one thing I don't understand tho
dim moth
One update you could literally throw a hunter knife 180 degrees away and it woul...
I think that was because of an exotic that increased bounced knife tracking/damage
high gull
Is why GW is so tight leashed with their op for certain games
But in SM2
You can literally make your space marine look like what the fuck ever
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"You can make your own rainbow marine"
Kinda like old school DoW
You could just color your units whatever the fuck you wanted
pallid quail
what the fuck is that one shot range
dude i could only hit with that thing when my internet decided to shit itself n be laggy. strangest thing
high gull
Nah nah even funnier
high gull
A ultramarine with nurgle markings on his armor
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high gull
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Meanwhile the Arbites cosmetics page for 6 months:
zealous ravine
arbys are serious business clearly
zealous ravine
marines? idk let them have tuoys
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But guys we have so many tattoos!
(that are covered by 90% of cosmetics)
That's honestly the real shame. Someone's good work is really going unnoticed because until scum barely anything shows enough skin to show off the cooler tattoos
dim moth
That's honestly the real shame. Someone's good work is really going unnoticed be...
p sure every class has at least one borderline naked chest
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Vermintide owners got a whole set and I don't think I've ever actually seen them in the wild
dim moth
I use the sienna tattoos on my psyker because I like the winds of magic marks on the fingers
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I use the one that has finger bones or something yeah
But then the best aura farming jacket wears gloves :((
zealous ravine
aura
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I didn't know they were wild magic runes. I always thought they were bones lol
Never looked closely and hardly get to see them since I weave the assails rather than run around with them
dim moth
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Lowkey I wish the unaffiliated one Scum cosmetic had a glove or some wristbands
It's not the asymmetry that hurts me, it's something else
I also wish it wasn't wearing a potato sack but ya know, it's Tertium so w/e
dim moth
chainmail would hurt your nipples were the potato sack not fulfilling its duty
astral canyon
It's not the asymmetry that hurts me, it's something else
For me its the tubes inside the flesh
Same reason i dont use the jaw implant or chrome dome cosmetics
spark gyro
The other arm feels too naked
astral canyon
Also i feel like if the right arm was the one with the armor it'd look better
dim moth
Also i feel like if the right arm was the one with the armor it'd look better
but the it would be bad armor
most people are right handed and all
so armor should be skewed towards your left side
as that is where most swings will come from
astral canyon
Itd look better tho
sonic pumice
Stinky Crusher takes a full shroudfield Thammer to the face: i sleep
Stinky crusher takes 2 needles with Fent:
honest shale
hard to go back to arbi after playing hivescum
I played hivescum enough, washed my hands, and built an ogryn build. Staying power is so nice.
exotic temple
The whiplash between hive scum and ogryn is brutal
honest shale
It's not that bad. It's charming to have your enhanced dodge skills let you dodge through packs of trash while tossing them around.
exotic temple
I just have to get away from shield only having two dodges is brutal
hexed lava
Venture mark is f strong in hi inten or shock troop
but rather weak than normal auric
honest shale
Those two would be hive scum.
They only survive because they know how to fall down.
tranquil berry
That makes the ogryn tanking for them brock
honest shale
That makes the ogryn tanking for them brock
brings the grenade gauntlet but only uses the punches.
tranquil berry
40k wishes they had a villain as good as the monarch
tranquil berry
Kinda, yeah
heady jungle
Do you think my team would hate me if I run the weakest stimm crate I can? As in, one point into each tree and leave it at that
drifting heron
Thats a legit strategy for Blight Spreads
heady jungle
Blight spreads?
drifting heron
Because you can have 100% corruption immunity uptime
heady jungle
Oh shee
drifting heron
Blight spreads?
Havoc mod
drifting heron
Goop pools that do like 3 corruption per second
Otherwise the only reason to do that is the 7 stacks trap node spam
Which isn't very good
Or grinding the penance
Which someone I was playing with did do
"Mmmm I'm so full of 4% strength"
heady jungle
Oh my plan was mostly to just a constant uptime on the buffs
heady jungle
Yes only 4%. But that 4% is practically permanent
upbeat gyro
Murdwred
drifting heron
Constant uptime on 4% dr, 4% attack speed, 4% strength, and 6.25% cdr is not worth it
upbeat gyro
Friend dead
heady jungle
Constant uptime on 4% dr, 4% attack speed, 4% strength, and 6.25% cdr is not wor...
Alrighty fair
drifting heron
In comparison to actually having a full stimm and just running it down with Sample Collector
drifting heron
Venture?
heady jungle
Culture stacks
hexed lava
esp in lower difficulty
drifting heron
Is that vultures mark or smth
heady jungle
Vilture*
hexed lava
venture mark
heady jungle
vulture*
hexed lava
vulture
woeful hill
you are marked, you bear the curse
drifting heron
Vultures is pretty much 100% in auric
tranquil berry
Yes only 4%. But that 4% is practically permanent
If you take the full damage tree, with crit or rending, it's a massive, noticeable buff to the team that lasts 15 seconds with a 45s cooldown. You can get that stim cooldown to 25-30s easily by killing things, so absolutely buffed half the time beats barely buffed all the time
woeful hill
drifting heron
Ainz this is so far over my head
woeful hill
its the voiceline for the beginning of shadows of evil BO3 zombies
woeful hill
you are marked, you bear the curse
.
drifting heron
Neat
tranquil berry
https://tenor.com/view/shadows-of-evil-gif-23840717
What's with the drone shot of downtown Cleveland?
drifting heron
I have never played a CoD game
final temple
COD zombies is fun. at least the round based ones.
mighty belfry
Do you think my team would hate me if I run the weakest stimm crate I can? As in...
I'd say do two strength two speed stimm
Pretty good benefits for a 27s stimm
And with sample, very easy to keep the corruption benefits near permanent
heady jungle
Okay so I’m doing two in strength and speed, one in damage reduction/toughness restore, and one in cdr
Just to edge in a little more usefulness without hindering the stimm cooldown too much
mighty belfry
Both of those one nodes are kinda pointless if I'll be real
6.25% CDR really doesn't do anything
Neither does the damage reduction one
heady jungle
Okay dropped the cdr and replaced it with level two damaned reduction :>
mighty belfry
CDR is only purposeful if you actually go the full branch
I suppose 8% DR isn't awful
heady jungle
I’m jist trying to think of some effective low cost combinations
With a fast cooldown
mighty belfry
ye I tend to run 2 strength 2 speed stimms in Blight havocs
low harbor
Do you think my team would hate me if I run the weakest stimm crate I can? As in...
outside of havoc, no point
heady jungle
outside of havoc, no point
The point is I wanna :3
low harbor
The point is I wanna :3
might as well just run 8% atk speed
at least that's actually noticeable
bronze glade
is it a dump stat?
stopping power is never the dump stat
if it's dual autos you're talking about
and you're running desperado
dump stat is collateral
eager reef
realistically the only reason we dump mobility is bc it simply doesnt do enough over 60
errant hatch
dump stat is collateral
thanks
eager reef
if the jump from 60 to 80 actually did something there might be a debate on some weapons
but even then on most weapons every stat but mobility affect damage in some way
though if i recal at one point zealots were dumping a different stat on one of the evis marks
vapid jungle
Bonesaw can dump crit just fine. The max mobility feels better.
eager reef
even psyker not dumping mobility is bc of how warp res affects damage
heady jungle
even psyker not dumping mobility is bc of how warp res affects damage
It hwhat
eager reef
It hwhat
math shenanigans with staying at high peril for buffs and damage
easier to do with lower warp res
heady jungle
So do psykers dump mobility too?
eager reef
weapon dependant
bronze glade
for staves yeah you dump warp res or in the case of voidstrike, radius
eager reef
on alot of themn you'll dump warp res
force greatswords you do both depending on what you are doing with it
pysker is weird like that
then vet has some funny stuff with plasma stats
iirc 76% heat
anything more is wasted
but this is talking like super optimized
most people dont have a perfectly optimize plasma bc the stats are so specific
bronze glade
@shy solar
eager reef
there it is
it's wildly specific bc math
i have one that is 71/73
but i never use plasma bc i jsut dont like the gun
anyway, the tldr of mobility is that after like 56% the stat doesnt make a huge difference in min maxing terms unless you really want the marginal increase it gives
hence why it gets dumped
short of reworking the scaling on it that is unlikely to change
oh wait, stubbers may also not dump mobility and instead dump collateral
specifically the high RPM one, for the perks you take you dont want stuff to ragdollm, you want them to die
but even there the differnce isnt that big as it's stagger isnt great in the first place
dim moth
Oh my plan was mostly to just a constant uptime on the buffs
it's possible to get near 100% with a full stimm just from sample collector if you play aggressively enough
eager reef
if you play with needle and a melee that crits alot it's actually pretty easy
dim moth
a melee that crits a lot describes every melee on scum
eager reef
true
heady jungle
I use a combo of cleaver and needle for maximum chem uptime :3
eager reef
i find dclaw to be the most consistent even if tacaxe is better over all
but im a parry enthusiast
flat mist
anyway, the tldr of mobility is that after like 56% the stat doesnt make a huge ...
mobility is underrated on some weapons, imo. bonesaw for example. 60% mob gives you +0.09 and 80% gives 0.27. shivs give 0.7 at 80%. given how slow bonesaw feels relative to shivs, it makes little sense to consider bridging the gap by 30% marginal. and bonesaw is a good example of having a damage modifier that is also marginal. you lose 1.2% crit chance going from 80>60% and a truly tiny amount of crit damage
bonesaw feels so much better with that extra 0.18 movement speed
eager reef
i have one of both and i agree. but in the end it'll be preference. i wish the gap from 60 to 80 was more meaningful
That said I absolutely do not want a speed meta
little laurel
So... if you use Long Lasting, and you have Stim Crate
Or stimm supply, with Fast Acting Stimm, does it increase that duration from 15 to 20?
mighty belfry
Or stimm supply, with Fast Acting Stimm, does it increase that duration from 15 ...
Long Lasting doesn't interact with Fast Acting Stimms
Dead node
final temple
mobility is underrated on some weapons, imo. bonesaw for example. 60% mob gives ...
which stat are you dumping?
mighty belfry
Long lasting
nova valley
Long lasting
I was thinking the same. Also, doesn't the cooldown start only after the effect ends?
mighty belfry
I was thinking the same. Also, doesn't the cooldown start only after the effect ...
Yes, which makes it not that great honestly
nova valley
Yeah. And if you use the dependency node, long lasting becomes even detrimental
flat mist
which stat are you dumping?
mb i skipped a pivotal phrase there. the crit modifier
has a range of 0-6% crit chance and fuckall-fuckall crit damagw
zenith fern
What is up of seeing many scums using 3 wounds lately today lmao
and still get dunked hard
lost ravine
3 wounds or 3 wound curios
zenith fern
3 wounds
lost ravine
anyway that is the reason in itself because you lose out on some defensive stats
so really you just get dunked harder
rough peak
It turns out that relying on an extra down and losing stats you can use to prevent yourself from going down... doesn't work in practice
You can't always get picked up
Sometimes you can get away with it, but, without adequate players there to help you take advantage of the extra down(which even then you still can't always get picked up) then you're losing out on more survival
but going down more puts more strain on your team since they have to risk themselves going down to get you up
livid raven
yeah it only takes a down for the whole match to go to shit anyway
zenith fern
Does not matter when scum can still get down on a single crusher overhead
And one overhead hit to be dead on havoc
cedar cairn
Yeah. And if you use the dependency node, long lasting becomes even detrimental
Wdym
I don't think stimms wait until the end of effect to begin cooldown like abilities, right?
nova valley
Wdym
Well doesn't the cooldown of the stimm start after the effect is over? Extending therefore the time between injections, hence playing against Dependency?
nova valley
I don't *think* stimms wait until the end of effect to begin cooldown like abili...
Doesn't it?
astral canyon
I don't *think* stimms wait until the end of effect to begin cooldown like abili...
It does
cedar cairn
astral canyon
You mean long lasting is a dead node? Or fast acting stimms?
Fast acting is basically mandatory to make crate work at all
neon fern
drowsy relic
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1231286447131328544/1462478898385260645...
You get it
versed spruce
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1231286447131328544/1462478898385260645...
@novel oracle
You dropped this
zealous ravine
sedition only playtester
neon fern
zealous ravine
brittle sierra
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/786208719200583710/1458483379686080532/wa...
muted pivot
how does cdr work when it's an ability like rampage/desperado?
if the ability's active, is cdr helping at all?
i.e. is it always correct to use cdr stimm outside of ability duration?
bronze glade
i.e. is it always correct to use cdr stimm outside of ability duration?
yup
because desp and rampage don't cd while they're active
so you pop the cdr stimm after they're down
bronze glade
which one is focused resolve again? 🤔
prisma mauve
https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-22727788
I genuinely felt like a junkie running around and shooting everything in sight
Also what is this stim lab thing?
bronze glade
cuz you are a junkie
prisma mauve
Is it hive scum exclusive?
bronze glade
Also what is this stim lab thing?
it replaces the stimms you find on maps
prisma mauve
Or a new thing
bronze glade
with your own custom-brewed stimms
bronze glade
Is it hive scum exclusive?
yes
astral canyon
Holy shit its T.M Opera O from hit game Umamusume: Pretty Derby
tranquil fjord
the conqueror
tranquil fjord
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prisma mauve
😍
muted pivot
which one is focused resolve again? 🤔
Bottom modifier for desperado
killing enemies gives cdr
livid raven
pretty sure all three capstones for cd stimm are basically the same
muted pivot
not even sure how it works tbh
my desperado doesn't touch any of the chem branch stuff
it barely works atm tbh
livid raven
oh wait i misread
no, that modifier is ass, it's 5 seconds off of your cd at best
desperado isn't so good that you'd use a point for just 5 seconds
it's quite a silly node, but you can see it was meant to be much better since it only needs 10 chaff kills
i heard it the max cd discount was much higher before release
muted pivot
Main trouble I'm having with my build is long ass CD and bad carapace performance
Rending stimms don't cut it at all with DAPs/shiv 1s
dim moth
i heard it the max cd discount was much higher before release
the helldivers community would whine about pre-nerfed
muted pivot
Getting kinda tempted to try this with a Crowbar, since it can at least open Crushers up right
I heard it's ass, but I like my bonesaw chemist build and everyone says that's ass too
tranquil fjord
Rending stimms don't cut it at all with DAPs/shiv 1s
what blessings do you use on shivs
muted pivot
I'm probably just spoilt by their performance on my Rampage Adrenaline build
tranquil fjord
although having the rocket is nice
muted pivot
Rocket helps a lot
tranquil fjord
ive found the shivs serviceable for anti armor
usually i throw a knife first and then do heavies
you get a knife back from elite and backstab kills
muted pivot
I'm tempted to try combat blade for op uncanny version
But kinda want an excuse to try crowbar
tranquil fjord
but shivs also work on crushers
muted pivot
Since vulture builds get hypercrit for free
Just deal with Shivs being a little inefficient on a desp build then
They do get the job done enough to survive
tranquil fjord
if youre concerned with cooldown on desperado
have you used chem dependency
it gives more consistent cooldown buffs
main wagon
IMO rending stim makes shivs pretty dang good even with a desperado focused build if you’re feeling like they aren’t all that against big stuff
I recommend throwing 2 shivs, spamming a couple heavies repeat until out of crushers or knives
tranquil fjord
its easy to get a refund off of any chaff enemy if you push them, and then dodge behind to kill them
which is considered a backstab
main wagon
Yeah, and the backstab window is like a full 180°, very generous
muted pivot
I do love chem dependency but I want to go Vulture just for the sake of variety tbh
DAP finesse is mediocre iirc
So crit is less exciting for my main role
exotic temple
Rending stimms don't cut it at all with DAPs/shiv 1s
I don’t know if you are doing it but throwing a couple shiv specials into crushers helps with ttk
My ranged build i take blinders pocket toxin and coated weaponry so bosses and crushers I can get pretty decent toxin dmg going
young quail
how come i cant pick up stimms?
near mauve
cause u get a stim every minute
lilac ermine
Vultures is more team focused
It gives everyone on team 10% toughness every elite/special kills
young quail
cause u get a stim every minute
i wanted to use simm supply with what ever stim i have]
near mauve
u cant pick up stims if u spec into the stim lab
echo python
Then don't put any points into the cartel lab stimm
near mauve
u have to opt out of stim lab to pick up stims
young quail
ahhh ty, yeh i wanted the perk when i pick up a stim, it resets the cooldown
exotic temple
It gives everyone on team 10% toughness every elite/special kills
I think it’s 15%
echo python
ahhh ty, yeh i wanted the perk when i pick up a stim, it resets the cooldown
That will activate whenever your cartel stimm becomes available too
mint valve
