hivescum-class

[crude dagger]

Havoc is only good for keeping meta chasers out my casual experience

[bronze glade]

Fatshart making CBT

[low harbor]

lol no

[leaden fable]

Sure until you have a server crash or rage quitter

[zenith fern]

Unfortunately that's wrong lol

[crude dagger]

I know

[north meteor]

I think having a ranked mode is fine. I also think that there should be a havoc level game mode that don't want to compete for ranks

[livid raven]

a ranked mode on a pve game lmao

[limber cradle]

Look I agree with you but it's a 1:3

[eager reef]

you say that but i regularly make sure meta havers die to dumb shit

for funnies

[crude dagger]

I forgot the sarcasm

[zealous ravine]

yeah i just want some easily accessible hard content for darktide it doesnt necessarily have to be havoc

[lilac ermine]

Dont make ranked mode make pvp mode

[north meteor]

Absolutely nothing wrong with that. There are people that do ranked speedruns on MC

[low harbor]

Psyker been getting buffed for a year since havoc released when they rly should have been getting nerfs

[leaden fable]

One crash, one with a rage quitter, one legitimate attempt. Perfectly balanced

[livid raven]

you are at least comparing speed there

here you are just

not doing that

[low harbor]

DT versus would be horrendous

[north meteor]

I also want to clarify that I don't hate the idea of speedruns on MC if it sounded like that. I'm just saying that ranked pve modes exist

[upbeat gyro]

Nah im there in casual games with my meta chaser builds i asked for advise here in this chat

[lilac ermine]

Ill play as enemy sniper

[livid raven]

it would be so funny actually

flamer comes out and gets instakilled in 2 seconds by desperado on crack

[low harbor]

Do u really think playing against exe stance in a versus environment would be fun

[leaden fable]

I will enjoy killing you with a throwing knife from a mile away

[north meteor]

but I think there are things they could do better about a ranked mode. Havoc definitely isn't the current answer, but it could be fleshed out eventually

[crude dagger]

Yeah, i still get level 30 meta chasers, even in fucking uprising with brand new characters to play with friends

[livid raven]

tho to be fair, playing as a burster would be pretty funny

[tranquil berry]

DT PVP is already a thing if you're good with barrels and bursters

[zealous ravine]

sniper finding a pixel perfect shot to obliterate the enemy team through a grate

[livid raven]

oh man sniper

[lilac ermine]

The player sniper can fire instantly and dodges isnt work on them 🙂‍↕️

[leaden fable]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1272804331497979935/1450700850132418651/Kill_All_Smykers.gif

[upbeat gyro]

Though i suppose Rashad on Hivescum and Arbi isnt the most common choice of weapon? 🤷‍♂️

[lilac ermine]

Also they can hide behind corners

[low harbor]

Popularity doesn’t equate to effectiveness

Esp for a game like this where most people know very little

[eager reef]

love dodging past bursters to shove them into teammats

[upbeat gyro]

Your guides helped fair bit returning to the game with core mechanics, if youre the author

[low harbor]

[lilac ermine]

Ill play trapper and land trick shots with net

[tranquil berry]

True skill is positioning yourself when a dog is coming for you such that the dog pushes the burster into a teammate

It's a power play

[crude dagger]

In still learning stuff and I'm pushing 150 hours

[tranquil berry]

I'm still learning stuff and I'm pushing 2400

[low harbor]

You have a lot more to learn

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[crude dagger]

I know...

I'm only know figuring out enemy catagories and what qualifies as "flak armour"

To much to memorize all at once

[low harbor]

https://steamcommunity.com/id/kulii/myworkshopfiles/?section=guides&appid=1361210
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3367063781

u can start with these

[crude dagger]

I still have to rely on build videos to figure out what a good build is

[low harbor]

Skip YT for advice

Most sources there are just not good

[tranquil berry]

Trash: unarmored. Small meat: maniac, small armor: flak, big meat: unyielding, big armor: carapace

[upbeat gyro]

Even the Reginald that got recommended here, was dodgy

[crude dagger]

I've noticed so I've taken to just fucking around and finding out most of the time

[novel oracle]

If the video is shitposty then its a good build
Trust

[low harbor]

Reginald unfortunately also gets stuff wrong far too often to be reliable and I say this as someone who gets stuff wrong a lot too

IMO everything below kuli guide lvl is not worth looking at seriously

[eager reef]

this is true in alot of games, all the best raid guides in ffxiv are literally jsut memes in MS paint

[crude dagger]

When path of exile is less complicated then darktide, its a problem

[tranquil berry]

The best guides are the overheads you took along the way

[crude dagger]

This game needs a built in wiki desperatelt

[lilac ermine]

The best guide is discord and readit

[low harbor]

I doubt that

this game just doesn't explain stuff well

check the 2 links I posted above

they'll cover 90% of the stuff u might want to know

[tranquil berry]

Built in wiki? let's set out sights lower... How about a mildly informative UI that mostly works?

Let's start there

[lilac ermine]

Theres mod that makes your UI show what talents and blessings rlly mean

[crude dagger]

Aka built in wiki. Doesn't need to be a word for word thing

[low harbor]

don't think that mod is fully accurate either

[lilac ermine]

Oh I never used it b4

[tranquil berry]

No, you misunderstood... I meant... The tooltips on the talent tree is correct... That level would be sufficient for now

[lilac ermine]

If someone is scripter they can update it with kuli info

[tranquil berry]

I see the Foxlord still carries hope. Worry not, it will fade, the expectations bar will lower in time

Embrace the darktide jade!

[low harbor]

I'd appreciate it

if FS could fix the weapon inspect table to not show wrong stagger values

and actually list every atk available to that weapon

[upbeat gyro]

Aww yes, 3rd

[crude dagger]

Oh no, I've been playing since mortis was a thing, i doubt anything will come that will be useful QoL

Fatshark is braindead with fixing their game

[leaden fable]

hmm would be nice, or they could buff psyker again

[vapid jungle]

I would love some push attack data in game since some weapons have way better than others

[upbeat gyro]

Psych Ward mod is the reason i spotted, was about to play Arbi but checked quick shop on Hivescum from main menu

[zenith fern]

And the wrong displayed stamina curios stats

[low harbor]

outside of dmg & ADM my guide alrdy covers all vet/z melee weapons in that regard

[tranquil berry]

There are relatively few things displayed that ARE correct and complete

[upbeat gyro]

I have two 410 toughness curios, one is 17% other 16% 🤷‍♂️

[vapid jungle]

And you are a saint. The data should be available in the game. 🙁

[tranquil berry]

Item numbers is just dead code

[final temple]

listen. it is jank. but it is quality eurojank!

[tranquil berry]

This ain't that kind of game

[crude dagger]

The stamina curio was broke for the longest time where +3 didn't even work

[bronze glade]

Gib ADM and finesse

[vapid jungle]

Real.

[tranquil berry]

The only UX work that DT gets is new frames to offer as "rewards" like they're actual cosmetics

[low harbor]

sure here u go: https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/tree/master/scripts/settings/equipment/weapon_templates

[pallid quail]

theres like 100 unreleased frames n im kinda baffled as to why

[low harbor]

this covers every weapon that's available in the live game

[astral canyon]

What about the dead game

[tranquil berry]

They're welcome to keep those. Whoever convinced the community that a UI element is "a cosmetic reward" needs to be locked in the shitter with an ogryn on taco night....

[pallid quail]

[crude dagger]

UI cosmetics are the same level as single player game cosmetics. At least they're not paid tho

[pallid quail]

sentenced to playing with 3 scum every game

[tranquil berry]

average pub auric scums though

[rough peak]

Yeah, can't have em have too good of a time

[crude dagger]

I call that a skill issue

Just get better randos

[pallid quail]

tbh i wouldnt wanna have the 3 best scum players on my team

[rough peak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1406988061509681285/image0.gif

Shoulda used this

[pallid quail]

idk how they managed to make a class simultaneously op n useless

[tranquil berry]

I'm an RNG-atheist though, and the lack of prayer to RNGesus results in punishment

[crude dagger]

Me in the corner doing hard drugs with a needle gun sharing my stimms while everyone else gets to have fun

[tranquil berry]

Does that mean the class is very well designed because it accurately reflects the skill of the players, which also range from OP to useless

[pallid quail]

im rly not sure all i know at this point is its by far my least favorite class to see

great at clutching useless at preventing situations that require clutching

[pulsar aspen]

@limber cradle If you want, you could join us now.

[limber cradle]

Ty but no ty, I haven't played darktide in a month.

Give or take.

[pulsar aspen]

@limber cradle Not an issue.

[tranquil berry]

Mine too, cause it's a bit OP in some ways that hurt the meta. Needler/infinite ammo/nuke rockets/30 stacks of uber adm... All too much

Tone that down and it's fun

[bronze glade]

Human readable format please

[limber cradle]

I'm like, really content playing ER and I do not want to be unhappy in havoc tbqh.

[pallid quail]

you get rid of that n the class is just useless tho

[pulsar aspen]

@limber cradle Sure do that.

[crude dagger]

Ngl tough, the scum is a wild class, you either preform or you don't

[tranquil berry]

Nah just balanced. Why do chems stack to 30 when all other dots go to 16ish? 16 chem would still be strong, do that

[limber cradle]

I'm tbh doubly not playing havoc with the crash your game modifiers being active

[tranquil berry]

Why 4 nuke rockets? 2 would still make the blitz great

[crude dagger]

I've had moments where I've completely popped off and carried an entire area, then I'll get one tapped by a sniper

No forgiveness

[tranquil berry]

Ammo recovery on a cooldown would still mean you sustain yourself better than anyone just not while also spam shooting

[crude dagger]

I don't take the infinite ammo

To boring

[rough peak]

pretty sure it's 3 without the +1 blitz

[tranquil berry]

Yes, but the +1 is on most builds cause it's on the way to the only good keystone next to the most powerful talent of infini-stim

Which is arguably its own problem, but you know.... Baby steps

[crude dagger]

Being so OP it breaks itself is a problem

[reef spoke]

clearly they should buff it

[tranquil berry]

Point is, scum is great if you tone down those few ways in which it's just shitting on everything

[rough peak]

So you want to make them only have 1 rocket

[tardy citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/sobriety-is-a-fools-game-sober-drunk-addict-addiction-gif-13591825

[zenith fern]

RPG deserves to have ogryn frag bomb treatment

Frag should have RPG stats smh

[tranquil berry]

No, i want the +1 blitz to be a tax node away from everything good so that i CAN get 3 if I'm willing to actually sacrifice a point for it. You know, add a cost for power

[reef spoke]

na we need to have more rockets.

Scab Heavy Weapon Teams when?

[rough peak]

Scab rockets!

[crude dagger]

Detroit: become scum

[rough peak]

Screw plasma elites, give us rocket elites!

[tranquil berry]

Just give the ogryn a big heavy bolter that shoots scab rockets

BALANCE!

[reef spoke]

as the Emperor would have wanted

[lilac schooner]

the other keystones are just as good

[tardy citrus]

Bolters already shoot rockets.

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-wtf-suspenders-gif-13108756

[tranquil berry]

Exactly. Lore accurate. Let's git'er'done

[tardy citrus]

I concur.

[crude dagger]

Friendly reminder that this is possible

[rough peak]

It auto fixes iirc

[crude dagger]

Aw man

I was gonna abuse it

[rough peak]

I tried that before

was like "wtf is this bullshit?"

[tranquil berry]

The only thing wrong with that is that you took the noob trap aura

[crude dagger]

The ammo sura?

[tranquil berry]

Yeah.

[rough peak]

I haven't taken that since I finished the penance for it

[lilac schooner]

ammo aura is really bad even if you dont take pickpocket

[tranquil berry]

Exactly

[crude dagger]

Oh yeah, that was because i felt like doing a little trolling

[rough peak]

Makes sense, carry on

I love having 4 of those

[tranquil berry]

Nah, can't say "just trolling" every time you fuck up. You fucked up. Own it. Be weirdly proud of it!

[crude dagger]

I'm still stuck in malice-heresey cause of bad randos, so i might as well make it fun

[livid raven]

right, bad randos

[tranquil berry]

That's it. That's always it. He gets it

[reef spoke]

to be fair, they are objectively bad randos

[rough peak]

damnation randos had some heresy randos leak into their ranks

[tranquil berry]

Sure, but I'm proud of him playing the favorites.

[reef spoke]

I haven't topped this one in a long time

I'm so proud UwU

[rough peak]

nice

[crude dagger]

Heresey has some of the worst randos I've seen linger in heresey

[reef spoke]

I can do better though, just give me a chance

[rough peak]

Most I've gotten from a heresy on hive scum is like 5-7

[exotic temple]

Ngl damnation easier than heresy

[rough peak]

It really is

[tranquil berry]

Wait till you get to auric and those same randos queue up cause they just unlocked it and get folded by the first rager 6 pack

[crude dagger]

Nah, i would alt+f4 so fast

[rough peak]

unironically I probably carried a lot of bad randos into getting damnation unlocked >.>

I'm part of the problem

[reef spoke]

honestly I;ve been playing on damnation for a while because it's harder than Aurics lol

[exotic temple]

I had a lvl 25 hive scum in my auric histg today…..

[crude dagger]

I sit around the damnation-auric on my level 30 characters

My scum is at 21

[rough peak]

I just like having perfect weapons for damnation for when shit goes south, so I'm fully prepped

[exotic temple]

Let’s just say that game was….. fun

[reef spoke]

yeah I just finished a match where I had a lvl 24 Hive Scum. I knew but at least I was prepared lol

[tranquil berry]

Yeah, there's people carrying others through h40 so i meet them in auric pubs later, think: oh good, an h40 player, at least we can duo this if the others die, only to find out that my hope for a duo partner just ate the first overhead

[rough peak]

Never trust a h40 rando

[tranquil berry]

The problem is multi-layered

[tardy citrus]

LOL

is this a joke

[rough peak]

I don't trust randos in general

[reef spoke]

I've honestly just started specing my builds around the idea of solo carrying matches

my hivescum doesn't use rocket launcher because of that lol

[rough peak]

That's how I build myself as well

[limber cradle]

The H40 True Survivor random will infallibly die first ime

[rough peak]

Yep

[tranquil berry]

I have literally nothing else to go on in my estimate of whether I'll have to solo the damn thing or not except true level and havoc rank. Shitty metrics i know, but it's all i got man....

[rough peak]

Never trust randos

If you have 0 expectations from randos you can't get disappointed by them

[reef spoke]

a fun thing I do is wait to see how long it takes for randoms to do objectives

just wait for them to realize I'm not going to solo the objective lol

[crude dagger]

The thing i know i can handle auric cause i do it on 3 different classes, but i can't even push scum into damnation

[exotic temple]

I had a shit game too but I can normally course correct. But when dude is mag dumping 1911s into a crusher pack…. A bot would have probably been more useful

[rough peak]

I legit had the fastest excise vault end section with heresy randos

Everyone was surprised

[reef spoke]

yeah...

[reef spoke]

oh damn that's nice to see

[rough peak]

They were only averagely skilled as well

[reef spoke]

usually I see everyone escort each container one at a time which is fine but I never see it done fast

[tranquil berry]

I have noticed that the "never do objectives in pubs" approach works better if I just defend the ones that do instead. Problem is if all 4 of us employed that strat

[rough peak]

at least competent tho

[rough peak]

It was so weird, I was like "wtf, we're done?"

[reef spoke]

I just find it funny to see how long it takes before they do it themselves. Unless it takes like 2+ minutes

[tardy citrus]

Most people don't even know the Ogryn is fastest with carriables.

[lilac ermine]

So thats why ppl never doing the objectives

[crude dagger]

I insinctively run objective

[tardy citrus]

Because most people don't actually learn how to play the game.

[reef spoke]

indeed, I used to see people slide carry objectives too but I only see that from experienced players these days

[coarse creek]

is ogryn faster than psyker and scum

[tranquil berry]

The weird part is when you get an OP team somehow randomly that casually speed runs your aurics, that's sort of a snooze fest too

[crude dagger]

Let me think.

no

[reef spoke]

I could help but if I'm going to carry I'm at least going to mess with them

[tranquil berry]

You need just the right amount of SUCK from your pubs to make aurics fun

[tardy citrus]

One smart teammate, or two, makes the game easy.

[reef spoke]

just for you, EVERY barrel will be shot c:

[lilac ermine]

I notice sometimes carry/clutch builds are bad at teamwork so it actually causes team to die more

[tardy citrus]

4 good teammates dialed in make Havoc 40 easy.

https://tenor.com/view/troopers-responsible-helpful-doing-my-part-gif-11496062726020391529

[lilac ermine]

Or those players just let their team die

[reef spoke]

ah yeah that sounds more like me

[coarse creek]

i'm pretty sure slide carrying was faster than ogryn carrying at some point

[tardy citrus]

Can't always save your team.

If they're stupid.

[coarse creek]

darktide is a secure your own oxygen mask first game

[reef spoke]

they're purposely queueing for difficulties beyond their skills. They griefed first lol

[tranquil berry]

To be honest, those kind of aurics often devolve into us fucking around with barrel pvp just to make our own fun. It's genuinely entertaining if nobody has a stick up their ass

[lilac ermine]

There is builds good at carrying sheep and keeping them alive

[crude dagger]

People think they're john wick, then i watch them get folded cause tgeir ego thought they could solo in the team based game

[tardy citrus]

Well sure

[coarse creek]

there are lots of players who can solo aurics tho

[tardy citrus]

But it's not a demerit if you don't take it.

Or build specifically to carry your moron teammates.

[reef spoke]

joining difficulties beyond your abilities is also a form of trolling

[tardy citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/reasonsimbroke-larry-david-hbo-hbo-max-meh-gif-24169087

Sometimes.

[tranquil berry]

Seems to be default darktide M/O

[tardy citrus]

You don't get better without challenging yourself.

[lilac ermine]

But theres also builds that get your team killed more like stealth zealot

[reef spoke]

just look at the people that alt+f4 the instant they go down. They know what they're going for

[tranquil berry]

How does stealth zealot get your team killed?

[pallid quail]

MOBILITY BARREL

[reef spoke]

yeah :c

[tardy citrus]

Nah, this can be a strat.

Unironically.

[reef spoke]

by not playing piss toughness zealot and letting me facetank bursters UwU

[tardy citrus]

Sometimes it's useful to leave to give an undowned bot for revives.

[lilac ermine]

They have alot of enemies on them then stealth and direct agro to teammates who arent ready for them

[tardy citrus]

Thus saving the run.

[coarse creek]

sometimes players are too new to know they were carried in their prev missions

[reef spoke]

you know exactly the kind of players I'm talking about.

The exception does not prove the rule

[tardy citrus]

Fair enough.

[tranquil berry]

I let people off play their own game with bursters. Why ruin someone's fun?

[lilac ermine]

Also ppl play like arbiter and hold block or shove the whole time in back just letting their team die so theyre the last left

[reef spoke]

fun times with bursters c: I just wish there was a more reliable way to hear them sometimes in the more chaotic fights

[reef spoke]

God I fucking hate Castigator arbites

I just know they're going to use it as a crutch

[tranquil berry]

That's not really how agro works though... Slot system and all... Plus... A stealth zealot stays in stealth for about a 10th of a second on average before 1-tapping something that was probably gonna kill ya

[lilac ermine]

Whats castigator again

[reef spoke]

-80% damage taken but you cannot sprint anymore

[tardy citrus]

I don't really think there's a thing such as "Not being ready for an enemy" in this game lmao

At least, if you're not ready, that's no one's fault but your own.

[lilac ermine]

Stealth and threat lvl will always make it harder for your team because more enemies on them

[crude dagger]

50% move speed 80% damaged reduction, no movement penalties on anything

[tardy citrus]

You don't load in expecting a light stroll.

[reef spoke]

eh crushers and daemonhosts can be rough for newer players but I agree otherwise (as they likely don't have good carapace damage or dodge skills yet)

[lilac ermine]

Like you could have chaos spawn on you and stealth mid combo and it starts wailing on teammate

Or a crusher mace coming down and stealth and bring it on someone else

[tardy citrus]

Teammate needs to be ready.

[coarse creek]

the other day some guy spectated us while dead for like five minutes of duoing then quit when we got into the room with the spawn point

[tardy citrus]

If you're paying attention you know what they're running

[crude dagger]

I keep engaging demonhosts still

[tranquil berry]

I think you're playing with some bad zealots and just bad teams overall man. Stealth zealot's impact on aggro manipulation is basically non existent

[vivid wedge]

Unpopular opinion but if you die to something like that it's your fault for not being aware of such things lmao

[reef spoke]

lol yeah it's weird like do people enjoy watching spectator mode for half the match?

[tranquil berry]

A scum that takes the reduce threat talent has a bigger impact on agro management than a stealth zealot

[reef spoke]

indeed, I only really make exceptions for barrel deaths as it's hard to tell "who" did what

[tardy citrus]

This.

[crude dagger]

I just don't see or hear demonhosts until its too late

[coarse creek]

the people who quit in shame/panic when they wake a dh when we have like 99999 boss damage and will kill the dh in under 30s are kinda annoying

[crude dagger]

I struggle with hearing them

[livid raven]

does anybody even take that talent anymore

[tardy citrus]

Hosts aren't that bad to deal with.

[reef spoke]

the fog is usually the giveaway imo

[tardy citrus]

I'd rather fight a host than a crusher deathball lol

[tranquil berry]

There's a mod that tells you how you died, including who killed the burster you were trying to push, and stuff like that

[reef spoke]

yeah Hivescum can have it pretty rough vs crushers compared to other classes

[tardy citrus]

Especially with Scum.

You think so? I don't feel like Scum struggles to kill anything honestly.

[reef spoke]

indeed it's more a "well idk if that death was their fault" kind of thing

[tranquil berry]

The class that can easily 2 tap them with a fast weapon has it rough?

[tardy citrus]

😂

[coarse creek]

the best sort of barrel death is when you both decide to hit the barrel once to control the horde but you both do it at exactly the same and launch each other into space

[reef spoke]

it's more that hivescum can spec away from being able to erase crushers

like shiv + dual uzis + desperado

[tardy citrus]

Needle pistol is good regardless of spec.

But I see your point.

[tranquil berry]

There's a certain beauty to that... An almost romantic shared experience! Enjoy!

[tardy citrus]

Maybe I'm biased since I run the pistol pretty much exclusively.

[lilac ermine]

I was playing rotten armor h40 and it was ruff without any cc

[tardy citrus]

Rotten armor is cancer.

[vivid wedge]

I have zero problems with crushers as desperado but I run bonesaw despite most monkeys in here thinking it's useless

[reef spoke]

yeah I mostly use Uzi so I have to be careful vs crushers :c

[lilac ermine]

Even with syringe there was too many crushers and maulers and ragers

And bosses

[tardy citrus]

Bonesaw is goated

Definitely not useless lol

[crude dagger]

Never noticed

Ill have to pay attention to that

[tardy citrus]

I run needle pistol w/ bonesaw

And I fuck shit up

[lilac ermine]

Also there was no space either it was a one way hallway in spawn

[bronze glade]

If you’re on PC install the danger zone mod

[reef spoke]

all daemonhosts emit a field of fog nearby them. It's not immediately noticable but it's really your best bet outside of audio

[crude dagger]

Ps5

[bronze glade]

Rip

[tardy citrus]

But I don't run desperado

I run Rampage

[bronze glade]

There’s also the icing effect on your screen

When you get close

So that’s another cue

[tardy citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/brawl-fight-battle-punch-hit-gif-13275732

Gotta run that rampage

With stimms

Death blender with the saw

[reef spoke]

yeah once I learned that saw needs cleave it got a lot better for me

[bronze glade]

Shock and awe is basically mandatory

[novel oracle]

That has a negative number on it tho and I want more number so ill do something else

Bigger number better

[tranquil berry]

Ogryn logic approved!

[bronze glade]

Can’t fault that logic

[coarse creek]

what's saw's best pure/mixed hordeclear combos

[vapid jungle]

Where's that wrath truther fellow at

[crude dagger]

Big number better

[tardy citrus]

We love our big men.

Truly the best of us, those Ogryn.

[crude dagger]

I love big men

[tardy citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/jujutsu-kaisen-aoi-todo-jjk-gif-5637685476330064328

[crude dagger]

Ayo?

[tardy citrus]

what i run and it works well

[coarse creek]

attack chains i mean

[kind mist]

light spam on green wins almost every time.

[tardy citrus]

o

to be honest

i dont pay much mind to attack chains

i do what feels right.

[crude dagger]

I just press button and things die

[tardy citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/chris-hemsworth-smiling-thor-smile-thor-funny-thor-ragnarok-gif-23101716

My drug induced rages don't leave much memory behind..

[crude dagger]

You're not drugged? Are you really scum?

[final temple]

saw is one of the weapons that profits off at least knowing what chains there are. if everything is rolling, light spam is good enough. but sometimes you wanna let it rip

[tardy citrus]

Sweep hordes, rip armor.

Simple as.

[crude dagger]

The heavy attack also mauls the ice blockage on foundery

Not joking when i say it clears the ice in one hit

Does it to those nurgle eye things to

[tardy citrus]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0d87930-3731-4df6-837b-e7e09528aef4/tree-2

muh tree

[crude dagger]

Where's the class that whips out their [redacted] and [redacted] all over the place with their [redacted]

[tardy citrus]

Pending.

Soon to arrive.

[ocean hollow]

Okay gotta remake my melee build

[final temple]

make sure to take ALL the nodes that say sth about melee. and avoid those that dont.

[ocean hollow]

That's what I did yes

[zenith pagoda]

Decimator doesn't affect DoT btw

[crude dagger]

Ok ragebait time

Arbites is really bad thematically

[zenith pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-rage-bait-lol-lmao-gif-3554026694133497645

[tardy citrus]

That's fine

Using it for flat damage not for DoT

more power more death

[crude dagger]

Damn my ragebsit was unsuccessful

Time to pull out the big guns

[zenith pagoda]

I would say shred is very underrated for bonesaw

[crude dagger]

Duelling sword isn't good

[astral canyon]

Maybe dont announce that youre doing ragebait before saying the ragebait

Hope this helps!

[zenith pagoda]

I think?? Crits on saw apply 2 stacks of toxin?

[crude dagger]

No

I gotta announce our

[bronze glade]

It’s the IRS but with guns

Truly a grimdark universe

[crude dagger]

Ok but i fr had someone tell me that krieg wasn't heavily inspired by Germany during ww1

Like bruh, kreig is German

[main wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[novel oracle]

Wrath falser

(Wrath is fine but shock n awe is better, and they're fine to be paired)

[main wagon]

All my homies hate Wrath. Shred supremacy

Stay critmaxxing

[crude dagger]

Maybe

https://tenor.com/view/trollface-gif-8242347154758580084

The word kreig is German though

[main wagon]

This is true

So I tried the greasy chem saw again last night

Something just feels unsatisfying and I can’t place it

[dim moth]

it's the sound design

[main wagon]

Effective weapon? Most definitely, but I just don’t feel like I’m getting my dopamine the same way I would using either an Evi or a Shovel on other classes

You think so?

[dim moth]

yeah

[crude dagger]

But someone really did try and tell me that the kreigsmen weren't primarily inspired by the German and the French and they were pure delulu

Half of what they said about 40k lore was already half wrong

[dim moth]

they are half french they are not half german

[tardy citrus]

Fatshark needs to give the Scum a ball peen hammer

For melee

[main wagon]

I do think a part of me expected the crowbar to feel weightier than the Mk1 shovel

[stray spear]

There's a blender build with shiv knives I found on gameslantern I find very funny, but I wanted to ask if like- leaning heavy in melee for havocs is a bad idea or not?

[dim moth]

they have a french uniform, german helmets/masks, a british webbing system/kit, and american boots iirc

[livid raven]

the heavy swings look very weighty

as in, they are slow as shit

[dim moth]

leaning melee heavy in havoc is mandatory for just about everybody

since the ammo penalty makes ranged heavy builds very difficult to run unless you build for infinite ammo

[crude dagger]

Their outfits sport designs from both ww1 era outfits

[stray spear]

Fair, rather, reasonable to go "stack attack speed everything"

[dim moth]

their outfit has designs from all WW1 nations

[stray spear]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a083151c-9fc9-4e84-9c27-cee4720e0ada/stimmtec-will-it-blend-hive-scum-blender-build

[livid raven]

running a desperado build on the auric modifier that removes ammo drops is so funny

[crude dagger]

I doubt that

[main wagon]

Maybe I was kind of expecting mini-bully club? Idk I just feel like the heavies are kinda clunky and the lights just don’t feel weighty enough to be a big ol crowbar. I blame Half Life 2 DM

Don’t get me wrong the crowbar heavies have gnarly damage, but with the beak mode special I felt like I was really only swapping between which variant of light spam to delete with since once you have Rampage + Superiority up you start 1 tapping elites with beak lights

And crowbar kind feels like wet dogshit outside of Rampage builds

[stray spear]

Also it's been four days since I maxed out my scum

I've yet to get a single non-wound based curios

[main wagon]

Now begins your curio grind

[stray spear]

It's killing me slowly

[main wagon]

Ahaha there it is. Bless

I’m with you

[stray spear]

Though I did just find one stam curio actually

And considering I'm doing melee blender build, putting two stam curios for the frenzy talent is very funny

[main wagon]

Still no 17% toughness and I had all my weapons and such maxed out like day 3 lol

I have so many +3 stamina and 21% HP health curios

I wish I could trade my zealot one 21%HP for a 17% toughness

She needs the 1% for hyperoptimized Fatmangus, and I want my 1% toughness for silly gunscum

[restive frost]

hmm curious about tryin targeted toxin and quick and deadly

switchin swift endurance and the sweet spot for those 2

🤔

[mighty belfry]

Stealth does create inconsistencies in AI behavior that can cause someone to take a hit they weren't expecting.

But that's more of an issue if the stealth player is just abusing it at any sight of adversity instead. A bad stealth player.

[flat mist]

Dont get rid of swifr endurance for either of those

[pulsar aspen]

@tardy citrus So you mean it would be my own fault when a Hive Scum takes Untouchable thus causing a Pox Burster changing target mid flight?

[tardy citrus]

That convo was over an hour ago

And I don't have the time now to revisit it

[pulsar aspen]

There's no need for a discussion. You answer plainly, yes or no?

[crude dagger]

I like this person

Very direct

[crude dagger]

Id say that fact depends, the arguement could go both ways

Persinally, id rather the burster hit am ogryn or arby over my scum in my party

But, optimally this wouldn't happen, cause people are paying attention

[flat mist]

No, no. You clearly committed a HUGE social faux pas replying to a message from an hour ago. You must repent

[crude dagger]

I just think scum is new, and that people just havent figured out how to play with scum yet

[tardy citrus]

Short answer, no. Longer answer because I'm parked and have a second now: Still no. It's a Pox Burster issue, because they shouldn't be able to change target mid fucking flight.

Fatshark is to blame.

[crude dagger]

That's been an issue for so long though, not just for bursters, but hounds and snipers too

[tardy citrus]

A lot of instances where damage is incurred can be mitigated with developed game sense and mechanical aptitude, but there's nothing to be done for a Burster changing target mid flight in a game as chaotic as this one.

[crude dagger]

Can't count how many times i pulled aggro on knee and got insta downed cause they were about to attack someone else

[tardy citrus]

Mitigated or damage outright AVOIDED, I should say.

Especially with Scum where we have so much allowance for damage IMMUNITY.

[zealous ravine]

me blaming the state of the economy on fatshark

[tardy citrus]

I don't buy into the "This game is unfair" mentality much, though I can agree that there are some instances where it absolutely can be, like silent crushers and trappers and other such things.

[zealous ravine]

this game is fair for the most part

[tardy citrus]

Yes.

[zealous ravine]

until the audio decides to explode

[tardy citrus]

Yes.

[zealous ravine]

yes

[tardy citrus]

For the most part, it's a skill issue when someone dies, especially if they say it happened unexpectedly.

The higher you play in terms of difficulty, the more you ought to be expecting things to happen.

[zealous ravine]

pillow shoe crushers and devious stealthy poxbursters

or the trapper aiming for someone else so the audio doesnt play

[tardy citrus]

It happens, and that's a Fatshark problem.

Not player error.

[zealous ravine]

its funny

at least

[tardy citrus]

I've dodged many nets that still somehow snag me

And many crusher overheads that still hit me.

[zealous ravine]

well grab netcode isnt the best in this game

attacking dogs mid jump isnt reliable for example

[tardy citrus]

Yes.

[crude dagger]

Fatshark should just fix these issues, but were so used to the abuse

[tardy citrus]

Fatshark probably doesn't know how, honestly.

They can inspire such bad faith on one side of the coin, and the opposite on the other side with content drops.

[zealous ravine]

the audio can be improved by them reducing enemy density which would take some mo re of those crusher rebalance type changes

[tardy citrus]

Fatshark's main issue is they do not communicate.

Leaving people to stew in their frustration.

[coarse creek]

got friends who get hit in the back by an enemy that they swear up and down spawned out of midair behind them that i can see walked out a spawn door

[tardy citrus]

Audio can be improved by giving different enemies audio PRIORITY.

Like a z index.

Disablers can sit at ten and thus are LOUDER than the others, while crushers can sit at a nine. Hosts at a ten. Etc etc etc.

[crude dagger]

If you ever used taunt on ogryn, you can feel hoe bad it is when an enemy targettinf someone else suddenly aims at you

[tardy citrus]

Tauntgryn is the only Og I play.

With a Branx and a fat ripper gun.

[zealous ravine]

i'd like for them to also fix those stutters that cause you to dc but idk whats up with those

[silent abyss]

Fatshark release hive scum cosmetics

When ?

[zealous ravine]

we outta cosmetics

[tardy citrus]

Have no new ones come out since they released the class?

[zealous ravine]

none

[tardy citrus]

I honestly haven't paid much attention

Not a surprise.

Unfortunate as it is.

I wouldn't expect them to release cosmetics for any future classes either that aren't already swappable with the base 4 classes.

It's a GW thing

Because GW likes to poison the things that make them money.

[pulsar aspen]

@flat mist Why would i care?

[silent abyss]

Its not a gw thing %100 sure

[tardy citrus]

Lol

[zealous ravine]

fatshark should have a lot of freedom with hive scum since they made the cartels themselves

[tardy citrus]

I agree

[zealous ravine]

i think one of the cosmetics already is from necromunda too

[silent abyss]

Arbites gets a pass because “lore” but there is no reason for hive scum when there are shit ton of stuff that could be made from necromunda alone

[tardy citrus]

I agree.

[zealous ravine]

i mean fatshark is on vaca is the reason i'd guess

[tardy citrus]

Are they?

[zealous ravine]

yea

they'll be back uhhh this century i think i have no idea when actually

[silent abyss]

No its not even on vacation men stup using that bullshit excuse, they rotate other classes give recolors and shit they just dont do it because they couldnt care less. You get your 6th recolor of the same cosmetics and you are gonna like it lmao

[tardy citrus]

Lol

I think you're aiming your frustration at the wrong people.

[flat mist]

I wasnt being serious. Hence the hyperbole and banhammer emoji

[zealous ravine]

uh yeah recolors can just be done by 1 guy

dont need the team for that

[calm aurora]

you still need gw approval

[coarse creek]

it's still gw's toybox so licensor has to sign off in the end, that's just how things be even when you create something in someone else's shared universe

[calm aurora]

recolors are actually faster, probably easier to approve and makes money

[silent abyss]

Not even arbites recolors :D

[tardy citrus]

The community has been angry for a long time over the lack of cosmetics for Arbites

It's a tired fight

Fatshark would release cosmetics if they COULD, but GW throttles them especially in the case of Arbites because they want things that are relevant to the table top.

Where their models are displayed

[zealous ravine]

i dont think asking fatshark for arby cosmetics does much since its gw

[tardy citrus]

Yes.

[silent abyss]

They literally can use necromunda stuff, I dont think ge has a problem with that

[tardy citrus]

We can kick and cry all we want but GW doesn't really care.

[zealous ravine]

i do think theres arbys cosmetics but they're old and gw doesnt want them to be in the new stuff

[tardy citrus]

It does not help our case that Darktide is canon

[zealous ravine]

so uh idk ig we can wait for gw to cave in and make more arbys minis or wahtever they do

[tardy citrus]

So GW is even more strict.

[zealous ravine]

hive scum is free to get stuff arby is complicated

[silent abyss]

Okay that argument really falls apart with hive scum

[zealous ravine]

i genuinely dont think fatshark has had time to really make more cosmetics the class was a little rushed in general

[silent abyss]

I mean game launched with a shit ass state with armageddon cosmetics ready roll out the launch week kekw

[leaden fable]

fully canon
Reject one shots a daemonhost

[zealous ravine]

dont see why not its funny

[silent abyss]

Definitely cannon

[tardy citrus]

I'm not the one that made it canon.

Don't look at me.

[leaden fable]

More of a hammer than a cannon

[zealous ravine]

i mean it is a build focused on killing bosses

[silent abyss]

Yeah imagine being able to survive being in vicinity of burgle

[zealous ravine]

keep in mind our rejects are locked the frick in basically

msot rejects probably explode instantly LOL

[tardy citrus]

And it's also hinted that our rejects are blessed by the Emperor

[leaden fable]

Being in a burgle even

[tardy citrus]

So

[silent abyss]

And for the love of my life atleast include new classes in the art cover for the game

Is that also a gw thing ?

[zealous ravine]

naw

[tardy citrus]

Fuck if I know

[zealous ravine]

dont see why gw wouldnt allow that since they're in the game already

[crude dagger]

I'm not

[tardy citrus]

Probably just not an expense they care to follow through with

[zealous ravine]

lock in!!!!!!!

[crude dagger]

Half of my builds are memes

[silent abyss]

See obesefish being lazy is not really gws fault just an fyi

[tardy citrus]

Would be a pain in the ass to make new art for the game every single time a new class releases

[silent abyss]

It wouldnt

[crude dagger]

Lasmaxxing, drug addiction, smiker, opemheimer ogryn

Ogrynheimer

[tardy citrus]

Hive Scum released less than a year after Arbites

You honestly expect them to rework the cover art of the game TWICE within a year?

[silent abyss]

4-6 months to make an addition to cover is more than enough time

[zealous ravine]

badly photoshop hive scum onto the cover art

[tardy citrus]

😂

Would suit the scum tbh

[silent abyss]

They literally change google every special occasion dude

[crude dagger]

Call it imperium propoganda

[zealous ravine]

i mean i can see why thtey wouldnt considering a new class this year almost definitely is gonna happen too

[tardy citrus]

Yep

[mighty belfry]

Ah yes, Google.

[tardy citrus]

I'm thinking it'll be Tech Adept

[mighty belfry]

The massive tech corporation.

[zealous ravine]

im thinking its gonna be like just an enginseer

[crude dagger]

I think gw is forcing fatshark on a schedule they can't handle, that or they feel conscripted by their roadmap

[tardy citrus]

I think they said somewhere they're aiming to release a new one every six months now?

I don't remember

[silent abyss]

Right because fatshark is small indie devs sorry

[zealous ravine]

but to be honest i dont particularly care which admech we get

[mighty belfry]

Homie Google and Fatshark are not even remotely comparable in terms of resources.

That's just a bad comparison.

[zealous ravine]

keep in mind dt only gets like half of fatshark too

maybe more than half not sure actually

[tardy citrus]

I don't care either I just want AdMech

GIVE ME A RADIUM RIFLE

[mighty belfry]

Like that is insane that you'd even namedrop Google of all things to make your point here.

[tardy citrus]

AND A COG HAMMER

[zealous ravine]

yeah im happy with a reclaimator tech priest or tech adept idk

any works

[astral canyon]

i just want the red and gold palette

[zealous ravine]

skitarii i doubt will happen tho

since uh funny dont want skitarii voiceline lmfao

[tardy citrus]

Imagine..

Imagine we get a JUSTICAR

🥜

[astral canyon]

what is that

[zealous ravine]

no idea

[tardy citrus]

I'm memeing

It's a space marine

[astral canyon]

i see

[zealous ravine]

ah i dont know space marine stuff

[tardy citrus]

Enginseer is likely though

They're low ranked enough

[crude dagger]

Not knowing what a space marine is in 40k?

That's new

[zealous ravine]

enginseer just works out with how they have all tech priest weapons apparently?

[zealous ravine]

oh yeah im just not interested in them lol

[silent abyss]

Life is strange literally changed cover art 5 times with each episode

[tardy citrus]

But they're essential enough to be valued and regarded as important

[calm aurora]

space marines are bald eunuch child soldiers

[zealous ravine]

i like more psykers and admech personally

[calm aurora]

not very sexy

[crude dagger]

Me neither, but i know the lot of them

I'm a xenos guy

[zealous ravine]

necrons also look cool

[crude dagger]

Except for t'au

I don't like tau

[zealous ravine]

votann also seems interesting

[astral canyon]

all i know about space marines is that Caedo Malum is epic

[crude dagger]

I play votann on table top

[zealous ravine]

unsure about tau they havent really grabbed my attention yet

[mighty belfry]

Life is Strange is a particular case where they most likely had that art prepared because it's an episodic game.

[tardy citrus]

Necrons are cool

[crude dagger]

They're the "good guys" as far as 40k goes

I'm glad they exist, but i just don't like them

[silent abyss]

Wow imagine a live service game preparing art work for its class releases

[zealous ravine]

yea they do seem a bit nicer

[tardy citrus]

No they are not 😂

[zealous ravine]

still racist but at least they try to hide it is a way i saw someone put it LOL

[crude dagger]

That's if you don't include the brain washing, torture, and insane caste system they have

[tardy citrus]

There is no "good guy" in 40k

[zealous ravine]

oh well its grimdark

[crude dagger]

The "greater good" is a mask

[crude dagger]

Votann, my beloved, are the closest thing to space marines without being space marines

They're not racist

They just take what they want

[zealous ravine]

funny

[tardy citrus]

Like the Imperium

[zealous ravine]

i saw they just crack pl anets without caring much about anyone on them

[crude dagger]

Yup

[zealous ravine]

"yo guys leave we cracking the planet" and if people dont leave they dont care

and just do it

[tardy citrus]

Yes. No one is good in 40k

And I like that

[zealous ravine]

its funny

[crude dagger]

Once they make a judgement on something it's a forgonr conclusion

Don't piss off a dwarf man

[crude dagger]

Right now votann and tau are the best we have

Until votann get more lore

[mighty belfry]

Ima be real. This really just feels like a non-issue. Like, alright. Hive scum isn't in the cover art.

What does this actually change?

[crude dagger]

"Slowly dying" isn't very grim dark for votann

[mighty belfry]

It might be lazy, ya. But there are

[tardy citrus]

Nothing. He's just mad and crying.

[zealous ravine]

votann weaponry is also cool

[mighty belfry]

Many things I'd rather they focus on than just a pointless cover art.

[zealous ravine]

i saw they have a fist that gets heavier when its about to hit someone lmao

[crude dagger]

they're just space marine weapons but slightly better cause dark age technology

[zealous ravine]

yea i saw they were humans at one point i think

they have robots too

[crude dagger]

Mass gauntlets, they also have mass hammers

[zealous ravine]

yee

[crude dagger]

It's not officially confirmed, but heavily implied that they're from terra

[leaden fable]

humanoids with a shortened lifespan essentially

[zealous ravine]

they have a shortened lifespan?

[tardy citrus]

We call them Abhumans

[crude dagger]

And a short height

[silent abyss]

It shows that cosmetics or anything else with arby hive scum or new classes in the future is not about gw. There is something wrong and people just blindly put the blame on gw

[zealous ravine]

i feel like they'd have better lifespan with their tech but dunno

[leaden fable]

sorry I thought you were talking about necrontyr, not votann

I don't know shit about votann

[zealous ravine]

ohh

[crude dagger]

Yee, they reside within the galatic core, so they're tough and hardy people. But they don't live long lives due to hazardous conditions

[tardy citrus]

I don't either. I'm eagerly awaiting more Votann stuff before I start reading them.

[zealous ravine]

god galactic core sounds like deep rock already

[tardy citrus]

Sounds rad

[crude dagger]

I'm already knee deep in votann

[silent abyss]

Fathshark cant even be bothered to make art work for cover art with its new class releases

[crude dagger]

I have a 2k point army for the dwarves

[zealous ravine]

i do feel like votann are just deep rock dwarves just grimdark

[crude dagger]

Love them, but their lore kinda blows atm

[mighty belfry]

Because GW is extremely well known for doing exactly that.

[zealous ravine]

oh is it mid or smth

[crude dagger]

Every page of them paints them as super prosperous and victorioud when they're supposed to be slowly dying

[tardy citrus]

There's not much for them yet Warudo

[mighty belfry]

It is one of the reasons why GW is so hard to make media for at all.

[crude dagger]

This to

[zealous ravine]

yeah they're the newest i think?

[crude dagger]

There's not a lot of votann lore

[mighty belfry]

And this isn't like some unknown tidbit.

[tardy citrus]

Since they're just reworking the Squats into the League of Votann there isn't much CANON shit for them

[zealous ravine]

definitely a massive upgrade

[tardy citrus]

But there's plenty for Squats

[pulsar aspen]

Squats still exist, on Necromunda.

[tardy citrus]

But yes definitely an improvement

[crude dagger]

They did confirm that votann are coming from squats

[tardy citrus]

Oh did they?

[silent abyss]

They literally have way too may shitty games licensed in the past and a shitty animated movie I think they are fine as long as they dont do shit to lore

[tardy citrus]

Hmm

Maybe I'll do some reading for them

[crude dagger]

With the new guy, buri, yeah. They confirm that the squats did exist still. The leagues are just what remains of any form of dwarves

T'au technically have dwarves, but no one cares

The squats were eaten by nids

[mighty belfry]

Them making an entire new cosmetic separate from anything that's on the tabletop would definitely be grounds for them to be annoying about it.

[crude dagger]

Its a big retcon though

[mighty belfry]

And they've done that before.

[tardy citrus]

I'm also very interested in the Chaos tech guy

Can't remember his name right now

The soul forge dude

[mighty belfry]

Arbitrators don't have a lot of variations with their designs in lore. Fatshark cant just take it upon themselves to make whatever they want for them.

[crude dagger]

I wouldn't indulge to much, they only have 1 book and it's already obsolete i think

[mighty belfry]

Hell, Hive Scum was probably released in the time it was, because they realized Arbitrator couldn't be an efficient cash bringer.

[silent abyss]

Oh yeah like the time they were annoyed with dawn of war 3’s backflipping terminator ?

[tardy citrus]

VASHTORR

That's his name

[silent abyss]

Or the time they literally let and worked together with CA to create a whole roster for cathay and kislev in totalwar

[livid raven]

Or the time they let kislev have a team in blood bowl

[silent abyss]

Or the time blood ravens literally get relics like custodian gear Hanging around in their armory like its nothing

[livid raven]

Weren't blood ravens literally tailor made for dawn of war

[silent abyss]

It literally is and they are cannon and everything they do and own are canon

So gabriel angelos making backflips in terminator armor is canon

[livid raven]

I always hate when people bring up GW

I think people don't blame fatshark enough

[silent abyss]

Gw doesnt care as long as it doesnt create a narrative in universe

[silent abyss]

Yes please say it louder for people in the back

[zealous ravine]

i can blame fatshark when they make stupid stuff like havoc but with arby cosmetics it just has to be gw

balancing is also fatsharks fault obviously

in the interview i believe they also mentioned hive scum being more free cause they made the cartel itself

[mighty belfry]

I will complain left and right about the less than stellar state of this game's balancing and Havoc's systems being ass. That's all Fatshark.

But the cosmetics is a weird case because that store isn't entirely based on Fatshark's whim.

[zealous ravine]

believe me i do complain about fatshark i've been complaining about havoc since it came out

[silent abyss]

It is but sure keep blaming gw who could care less lmao

If hive scum got necromunda stuff

Or arbites got slight recolors

[mighty belfry]

The thing is. They could just do slight recoloring. They already have and we've already called them lazy for it.

Why not do that for arbitrator at all?

Like, it doesn't make sense at all that they wouldn't when they already have for every class before.

And we've given them shit for it but that hasn't stopped them from releasing the slop.

So why would they decide to just

Not do it for this class?

[novel oracle]

What gets put in the game comes down to gw
How its balanced is fatshark

[cedar cairn]

First 40k fan to defend GW and they're wrong

[silent abyss]

This is literally my issue

[zealous ravine]

yea

[mighty belfry]

My point is, do you really think they're deliberately choosing not to do that when they already have done it many times before because they're just being lazy?

Because a recolor would be lazy. And they've done that.

[novel oracle]

Even if people dont like recolors, people simply just want more skins, they constantly express it
They've recolored before, routinely, and itd be a big return financially for low effort, so its stupid to not

[silent abyss]

Its not about new cosmetic its about not even being bothered to add recolors thats on fatshark and I think they wont release any cosmetics for any of the new classes

[novel oracle]

So there is something that prevents them from doing that

It literally comes down to

they would make money by doing this, but they arent

[dim moth]

just let me BUY THE COLOR I WANT AAAAAAAA

let me PICK AND CHOOSE

[mighty belfry]

Like, it's literally free money for the lowest of effort.

[dim moth]

like how the fuckin' MODS do

[calm aurora]

that was my argument

[dim moth]

if I could fuck around in cosmetics customization officially like I can in For The Drip and Weapon Customization

I would have bought damn near every cosmetic in the game by this point

just to have more options

[calm aurora]

it would be stupid not do to it

[novel oracle]

They made 2 paid classes back to back, so fast it was honestly to boths detriment, but they said the sales of arbites and pushed it out sooner
So its not like they arent motivated by money, shop prices have increased too

[silent abyss]

They are fucking lazy with abysmally slow patch releases so I dont think its out of the realm os possibility that fatshark is just lazy

[zealous ravine]

fatshark definitely seems to be pretty messy

[novel oracle]

A 3 month major patch release window is pretty normal

[zealous ravine]

not that i know how stuff is internally obviously

[novel oracle]

Hotfixes could be faster, but I think you seriously overestimate the number of people working on the game

[mighty belfry]

Fatshark can be lazy.

But their laziness doesn't stop them from trying to make money, as evidenced by the numerous recolors we've gotten in the past years.

[tardy citrus]

Ha

[mighty belfry]

It just doesn't make any sense that they would just refuse to keep doing that for this class.

[zealous ravine]

oh well at least the game is in a decent state nowadays

[novel oracle]

[tardy citrus]

I am amused by the frustration of a relatively new player who is harping on the things we've all harped about in years passed.

[zealous ravine]

cmon it cant be that bad...

[silent abyss]

Thry have like 150-200 people working on it so I would assume it would be enough people

[dim moth]

literally days ago havoc modifier was crashing peoples games lmao

so people deranked completely out of their control

[zealous ravine]

lmfao

more reasons to remove derank

[novel oracle]

Jarvis
Swap off your zealot and put on the needle pistol or purg staff

[zealous ravine]

naw i use dual stubbers

[silent abyss]

I have played the game since launch

[tardy citrus]

Ahh you're just new to the discord then

[zealous ravine]

and purg staff is unironically the most boring thing

[novel oracle]

🤖 LOW DPM DETECTED... REMOVING FROM STRIKE TEAM...

[zealous ravine]

WAAAAAAAA

[tardy citrus]

Dual Stubbers are based

[zealous ravine]

they're so cool

[tardy citrus]

I like the needle but I respect the hell out of the Stubs

They're my second choice

[silent abyss]

Like I play the game for a a month or 2 and leave for a whole year and come back. Game feels practically the same as where I left.

[zealous ravine]

idk they do a lot of big changes in updates to me at least

[silent abyss]

Like ?

Other then item rework

[tardy citrus]

They have put a lot of work into the class overhauls

[zealous ravine]

new classes this year and class reworks

[tardy citrus]

Like, a lot

[zealous ravine]

some of the stuff im most interested in even

[tardy citrus]

Two new classes within the span of a year

They're definitely doing some work

[silent abyss]

Yeah after 3 years

[zealous ravine]

i mean they did do a lot before too

[silent abyss]

Mildly changing nodes in the veteran class tree was so good tho

Gotta give you the point there

[zealous ravine]

could defo go further with vet rework

[silent abyss]

It was so good that it entirely changed how the class is being played

[dim moth]

or the talent tree rework at all xd

[zealous ravine]

but they mostly changed zealot that time

[dim moth]

I don't feel a substantial playstyle shift in veteran from having played them constantly

[zealous ravine]

they even got a 2nd build!! fatmangus!!

[dim moth]

Sure they're different than how they were when there were no talent trees

[silent abyss]

Oh also look we have autoguns that practically not used by anyone since launch ?

[zealous ravine]

people do use autoguns

[dim moth]

but they still maintain the hybrid gun/melee playstyle they've had ever since talent trees were added

[zealous ravine]

they're really good on hive scum

[dim moth]

Real damn shame because people are missing out on them heavily lmao

Vraks IAG highest dps gun in the game

[silent abyss]

Sarcasm mate

[dim moth]

Vigilants very reliable headclickers

brautos are....

they're there too!

[zealous ravine]

vigilant autoguns are so forgettable its incredible

[silent abyss]

Dual auto pistols do work better and outclasses them

[dim moth]

nah

Vraks IAG is largely a direct upgrade to dual autopistols

[zealous ravine]

no idea i mostly use dual stubbers

[dim moth]

only has lower damage into flak, at point blank range

but it's more accurate, reloads faster, has better damage blessings, and has better crits

[silent abyss]

Which most of the time you are facing against hordes like whats your point

[dim moth]

and it's like one of the best crit guns in the game compared to the dual autopistols that have worse crit than most ogryn weapons

[dim moth]

hordes are mostly unarmored/infested, can be flak on scab seeds but Vraks IAG has less damage into that health type specifically, and only really maulers practically speaking

singe vraks IAG can actually ADS and headshot things which dual autopistols can't

[novel oracle]

Talent trees
4 full class reworks after that
2 new modes
Itemization rework (and initial implementation xd)
9 new missions + twins fight
2 new enemies and 1 monstrosity
33 new weapons marks, and reworks completely changing some existing weapons
Penance update and reward track
And THEN they added 2 new classes

[silent abyss]

You can try mag dumping into a mixed horde of same size with both dual and infantry gun dual guns will clear faster about 3-4 seconds

[zealous ravine]

yeah i dont think its a bad pacing

other than balancing

which is uh yeah

[novel oracle]

Time between updates seems longer cuz we play the shit out of the game

[dim moth]

a mixed horde of what exactly

[zealous ravine]

im actually playing hytale rn

[dim moth]

assuming maulers/scab ragers

so the usual scab seed mixed horde

[novel oracle]

I remember reginald checking in with me for blessings on those two to test, and they are generally on par, as long as they both have speedload

Dap is 3s faster in a controlled environment against weaker enemies like bruisers and ragers, and 1s slower against scab ragers and maulers

[dim moth]

also the unfortunate reality of IAG reloading faster meaning it gets away with running double damage blessing

[novel oracle]

Speedload on vraks actually drastically increases damage output on iag

[dim moth]

and DAP can't really

[zealous ravine]

only for neither of them to have a cool special smh...

[dim moth]

oh I'd figure with the faster reload speed you'd just not need it and run deathspitter instead

[novel oracle]

Reg did some tests in the controlled sycorax hallway against different groups

[nova valley]

Hivescums! I found this video that puzzles me a bit. I use both, and feel the difference... Or at least I thought I did. But now I ain't so sure about it

https://youtube.com/shorts/nyi7bR625nw?si=xn_JzdkccykNwtGB

[cedar cairn]

Nah they stack well

[novel oracle]

Speedload generally came out with faster times by a noticeable margin

[novel oracle]

You're talking about the exact same thing lol

[calm aurora]

what a bunch of lazy devs, and they take holidays too? smh

[novel oracle]

Thats the test im referring tk

I didnt watch the video but he told me that speedloader was faster after I asked him to try it

[silent abyss]

4 class reworks that should have been the base line like from get go. 9 new mission 3 each year and twins are flavored captains. 33 shades of existing weapons

[tardy citrus]

Nothing is good enough, huh

💀

[mighty belfry]

Look man like

[silent abyss]

Not that nothing is good but I am just not okay with mediocrity

[cedar cairn]

You hate this game so much go slither back to valorant

[mighty belfry]

I don't think this game is perfect either.

[dim moth]

I don't think I would put 2000 hours into a mediocre game and still be playing it well past release to be quite honest

[zealous ravine]

i can at least tell theres a lot of people in fatshark that really do try

even if it seems quite messy as a whole lmao

[novel oracle]

So both greatsword types existed already?
The class talent trees should have been delayed for multiple more quarters?

[tardy citrus]

Fatshark isn't perfect and I'll hate on them day and night, but credit where credit is due, they have fixed a lot and put out a lot.

[novel oracle]

Like everything is bad and stupid if youre reductive enough

[calm aurora]

what is your definition of mediocrity?

[mighty belfry]

But discrediting quite literally everything they've done is just sounding like nagging to nag.

[nova valley]

I am sorry but, as a former Dota player, that game makes you unable to be satisfied with ANYTHING. Quitting the game was easy, but quitting the mentality of that community took much longer. This might be a case of the same plague

[tardy citrus]

Game isn't mediocre, either. One of the best gameplay loops imo

Game is on the struggle bus for other reasons, but the way it plays isn't one.

[cedar cairn]

Darktide is the prettiest 40k game in years

[zealous ravine]

i mean dt sure is the best 40k gam

[silent abyss]

What dota has do to with it, its completely different game that has a completely different schedule of releases.

[dim moth]

dota using valve money to completely change how it plays 2 or 3 times a year is whack

and I still don't like playing it because I hate the fuckin' item system :/

[novel oracle]

Id assume that its because its a video game with updates you can form an opinion of

[silent abyss]

And dota2 when it comes to releases also abysmall, and valve dont give 2 shits about it

[zealous ravine]

idk from what i play this gam updates at an average pace

[tardy citrus]

I anticipate a new class teaser in maybe another two months too

[novel oracle]

A 3 month major update turnaround is pretty standard

[silent abyss]

I am talking about the studio

The performance

[novel oracle]

And pretty impressive for a team of this size for what they put out

[zealous ravine]

idek the team size

im thinking like 120 but i have no real idea

[novel oracle]

Small

[zealous ravine]

ah nvm fatshark in total is smaller than i thought

[silent abyss]

Any team over 100 people is not small by no means

[zealous ravine]

i'd guess 80 people on dt then?

[nova valley]

Well, it locks you in the mentality that if you are not winning, you are not having fun. And if you are not winning, it teaches you how to blame teammates. And if you can't do that, it makes you hate the game for being unbalanced and so on. Soon you forget about how cool and fun the game could be, and you focus only on the perceived problems.
May be a different game, but that mentality (which is not exclusive to Dota's community of course) it's a cancer spreading faster than you can say "Batrider"

[novel oracle]

Fatshark has like 200 ppl there, company wide
Now think about how many people are management, marketing, community management, programming, animation, map design, ui design, now split that down even further because you've got all of that for vermintide, darktide, and a third unnamed game theyre working on

[zealous ravine]

oh yeah i forgor the 3rd game

i think that was the ue5 one

[nova valley]

Not saying DT is perfect, but it ain't definitely a mediocre game with lazy devs

[novel oracle]

Id be surprised if there were more than 40-50 people involved in working on darktide right now

In all positions, not just development

[silent abyss]

In every team game you can blame team mates, I lose more than I win in dartkide and thats fucking okay because its fun when decapitating heretics with a relic blade.

Dota2 is also fun when you focus on your own game and not others appreciate if your opponent simply outplays you.

[zealous ravine]

moba jumpscare

[novel oracle]

Mobas mentioned!!! Wtf is a will to live!!!!!

[tardy citrus]

What do you mean you.. Lose more than you win?

In darktide?

[trim wind]

https://tenor.com/view/jacob-lash-lash-deadlock-lesbian-lash-deadlock-gif-9561433227546629308

[zealous ravine]

funnily enough the only pvp games i have any interest in are tf2 and melee slashers like chiv 2

everything else guh...

[silent abyss]

Well I mostly play maelstorm and randoms blow up unexpected barrels and poxbursters in untimely manners so people die left and right

[tardy citrus]

💀

[nova valley]

Anyway, what do you think about that video? Considering how fragile HS could be, iag seems a safer more versatile choice. I have the feeling I did less with it, and the rest is more or less the same

[tardy citrus]

Maelstrom brother?

[zealous ravine]

idk i just use what feels coolest so i'd go for autopistols

[tardy citrus]

Which Maelstrom?

[silent abyss]

And thats okay because people are allowed make mistskes in a pve game

[nova valley]

I think the single auto pistol or needle is the coolest

[tardy citrus]

Needle is dope

[cedar cairn]

The buffoon isn't preshooting barrels

[zealous ravine]

coolest in general i just gotta go for dual stubbers

too awesome...

[nova valley]

What about the pistol, with that fancy light on it? Even the description says it's a gang weapon

[tardy citrus]

Which Maelstrom? Not really a difficulty so much as a modifier

[zealous ravine]

fancy light pistol?

[silent abyss]

I dont really look at it I see maelstrom I jump in mate, not gonna look at modifiers

If I was too worried about what modifiers are a deal breaker for me I would have gotten Auric storm survivor a while ago probaly by chace but still. You get the point

[nova valley]

The shredder! It is an autopistol

[zealous ravine]

i like dual autos more personally

dual guns r funny

[tardy citrus]

Maelstrom is a modifier to a difficulty, it isn't a difficulty in of itself

[flat mist]

getting headshots prevents the aoe on hit from mk2 blue mode
https://outplayed.tv/warhammer-40k-darktide/6ka6aR

[tardy citrus]

But fair

I don't really look either I just play Aurics/Damnations and Havocs

[silent abyss]

Auric the only other maelstrom is in heresy.

I dont touch damnation because people are just trying to speed run to get to the end faster to level their chars

And all I am saying fatshark doing a mediocre job at managing the game(wheter it be monetization, gameplay, updates) and people should not be content with mediocrity. Peace out

[zealous ravine]

i mean 2026 defo has some big issues to fix

[flat mist]

mediocre literally means of average quality. if you are always discontented by mediocrity you are setting yourself up for disappointment because maths

[silent abyss]

the meaning of "mediocrity" has shifted from a neutral "middling" state to a more negative connotation of disappointment, lack of ambition, or "so-so" quality, often implying something is subpar or a failure to reach potential, despite its literal Latin root meaning "halfway up a mountain".

[silent abyss]

Kuddos to you and anyone that can read a dictionary.

[flat mist]

copy paste go brrrr

[zealous ravine]

honestly yeah fatshark has to lock in and give hive scum a cawdor spear

only way to make the game peak

[silent abyss]

I did as I didnt see point in replying to a pointless argument

[zealous ravine]

like look at this

what e ven is that i want it

[flat mist]

pointless
/ˈpɔɪntlɪs/
adjective

having little or no sense, use, or purpose:
"speculating like this is a pointless exercise"

doesn't fit the definition of pointless and anyone can read that in a dictionary

[flat mist]

kudos* anyone can read that in a dictionary

[silent abyss]

That comeback is not even a comeback but whatever

And reading is not equal to writing

[zealous ravine]

comebackslop

[vapid jungle]

Were at the grammar police stage of debate huh

[flat mist]

im mocking your strange response

[flat mist]

we're* BOOM GOTTEM

[silent abyss]

You didn’t you simply pointed out a fact which didnt have anything to do with the response