hivescum-class

[livid raven]

and dodge back

it's not really rocket science

[crude dagger]

Crazy

I mean, i know how to do it

[upbeat gyro]

Try the aoe ring mod, helps visualize it

[crude dagger]

I'm on ps5

[livid raven]

btw is crossplay enabled for havoc

[crude dagger]

I just find it crazy that people find the space to push a buster and and avoid it

[upbeat gyro]

Dodgeslide backwards after

[crude dagger]

Oh, a dodgeslide

That's the part I've been missing

[coarse creek]

the detection radius where you can push it is also deceptively long

[crude dagger]

I've noticed

I've been abusung it actually

I find it funny how far i can hit and push things

[tranquil fjord]

ig that low intensity was a way for people to dip their toes into a higher difficulty and its healthpool

but now the campaign is low intensity

[coarse creek]

huh, never thought about it that way

[ocean hollow]

I

I don't understand

Is this some weird ragebait?

[crude dagger]

No?

[dire badge]

someone just hit him over the head with a birck then

[ocean hollow]

??

Why is no one else confused by the above comments

I'm reading this as you didn't know you can dodge burster explosions

By pushing them

[crude dagger]

I did know that

I didn't know that i was supposed to dodgeslidebackwards

[ocean hollow]

Dodge slide is a waste of dodges

Just a simple dodge is fine

[echo python]

The slide part isn't strictly necessary if you're pushing it at a good enough distance

[crude dagger]

Oh

[ocean hollow]

You can also double push without moving but that has the capacity to go wrong

[echo python]

And it also depends a bit on weapon, since dodge distance varies

[crude dagger]

Then that's what I'm struggling with Causey I'll push and dodge back, but it still gets me

[ocean hollow]

You're probably pushing too late like when it's up your ass

[echo python]

I think it's kinda like the dog where pushing has a longer range than normal, but I might be wrong on that

[ocean hollow]

What, that's true?

[crude dagger]

I'll have to see

But it does help if true

[coarse creek]

are you dodge exhausted when you try and dodge back?

[keen timber]

u can wait until it jumps

u just push and dodge back

[ocean hollow]

This is the way ^

[crude dagger]

Bet

[echo python]

Just keep practicing and you'll get it down eventually

[crude dagger]

Its hard to learn when everything is so everywhere

I do catch them, but usually when it's crowded

[coarse creek]

oh are you pushing while going backwards?

[ocean hollow]

Spacial awareness is really hard if you're not paying attention but you can really easily mitigate it by basically keeping your back to a wall or the area you just came from

Then you can just press S and it's safe 99% of the time

Tagging is your friend through hordes to locate the dangerous specials.

[thorny ginkgo]

what mod is it that allows you to use “yes” and “no” in the coms section

[coarse creek]

for the emperor

[thorny ginkgo]

thanks

[crude dagger]

Its more so the condition I'm in. When things get heated, especially in those really dark areas, visibility gets really bad for me

Outside of that I've never really had an issue with bursters

I would say it's nerves, but i think it's just a skill issue

[ocean hollow]

Uhh take this as an example, you don't really need to "see" what you're doing. You might want to up your brightness if you feel blind but you can see I deal with overheads, dogs and a burster without actually ever seeing them

[coarse creek]

the newest fun way i've found to accidentally collat my friends is when we're fighting armour in that kinda situation like that ^ and someone throws a krak and it blows up just as the burster starts to walk through the mixed horde

[crude dagger]

Dodging dogs and overheads hasn't been s pertinent for me luckily

[coarse creek]

ig sound mix sometimes drops the krak sound because it's not as high prio

[ocean hollow]

Yeah you've got to be aware of how your teammates will murder you

Psyker has KF off CD? You better watch out

They might spawn a red reaper in your face, or blow up that flamers that's ready to ignite

and that's a trip off the map

[crude dagger]

Always love that

I don't have friends that play this game so it's always randos

[coarse creek]

flamer explosion was such a great addition

[ocean hollow]

It's really easy to make friends in Darktide

Strangely easy - very nice community

[coarse creek]

there's lfg on this discord and you can sometimes ask to friend ppl who are nice in queue

[crude dagger]

I only just now got 3 other friends to get this game

We're all playing arbites

Our first pub is today

I'm hoping they get alone

[coarse creek]

imo that's the best beginner class over zealot rn (I still rec zealot tho to ppl who aren't sure enough to get the dlc)

[crude dagger]

Of the 4 base classes psyker has been the hardest to play

[bronze glade]

It’s quite different but once you learn it psyker is fucking broken

[crude dagger]

I know

[ocean hollow]

Waiting for it to be patched out

Actually dumb class

[crude dagger]

I had a level 30 meta inferno psyker in one of my random malice lobbies, and it was quite unfun to be there at level 15 with me HS doing fucking nothing

[ocean hollow]

Yeah see, that's where psyker is bad

Psyker gets good with density in Havoc

[livid raven]

i can't imagine playing flamer psyker in malice lol, there are not even enough enemies to bother charging the flame

[sharp zenith]

as off put as i was by the hive scum i gotta admit, they are growing on me.

[keen timber]

just make a melee psyker. piss easy to play and absurdly effective.

[crude dagger]

That's what i do play

[fallen crypt]

I like my shards

[keen timber]

are u still levelling or 30

[crude dagger]

I haven't played my spyker in a while so I'm not sure

I think it was 27

[coarse creek]

havoc meta inferno psykers aren't nearly the most oppressive psyker builds that dps races damn/auric

[keen timber]

psyker levelling kind of sucks

[fallen crypt]

Me? 30

[keen timber]

as soon as it's 30 it's braindead easy

[crude dagger]

I haven't played spyker since they reworked the tree, my talent tree is still unspecced

Seeing a meta inferno psyker in my pox hound infested mslice lobby blew really hard though

I Didn't get a single elite or specialist kill that entire game

[teal spoke]

hey any idea where can i ask for about farming runs

[livid raven]

what do you mean farming runs

[coarse creek]

farming runs as in playing for mats?

[teal spoke]

you know for Diamantine

[livid raven]

play the game on high difficulties

[coarse creek]

you can ping in the vox lfg channels for players if you wanna qp some or run train over and over or smth

[teal spoke]

what mats?

[coarse creek]

plasteel/diamantine

[livid raven]

there is not really any secret trick to farm them or anything

[teal spoke]

i am looking for a team who dedicated to farming because i played many hours with teams rushing through missions

[crude dagger]

I souls really finish off leving my psyker

[upbeat gyro]

I still dont quite understand it as recently returned

[coarse creek]

you are unlikely to get very experienced players for farming runs fwiw because most of those are at the point where mats are meaningless to them

i would ask in vox-lfg-[timezone] tho

[jaunty spire]

Why not do quick play? You get bonus materials

[fallen crypt]

Get to havoc and they give you a ton through rewards but I dont mind going through with people with the sole purpose of collecting mats, but yeah running heresy or damnation is the best

[coarse creek]

or you just qp over and over yeah

i think damnation has the same reward as auric still?

[fallen crypt]

I wouldnt know i keep getting shitty missions on damnation with subpar teammates on my last level of damnation to auric and its like clawing out of a beast or nurgle

[coarse creek]

fair, i guess you do get noticeably worse players

[teal spoke]

well yea thats the problem

[jaunty spire]

Yeah, at least on auric you're more likely to play with people who have a good grasp on what they're doing

[crude dagger]

I use high level quick play top farm mats

[coarse creek]

what i would do would be to just ping for whoever wants to play auric qp and say you want to collect the mats

[teal spoke]

yea mostly Diamantine

[livid raven]

#vox-lfg-lexicanum

you would ping there but again, not many people do farming runs

[coarse creek]

a lot of players aren't like particularly interested in farming mats specifically as a goal because they already have more than they can ever spend but most people don't care if you wanna pick up materials unless you want to like go over every possible alt route

[upbeat gyro]

Im busy picking plassteel always

And shooting green lanterns

[coarse creek]

so i would just ask who wants to qp and ask them to please pick up mats if they see them cos you still need them

[crude dagger]

I've never had a pub that's actively sought resources

[fallen crypt]

Keep replaying karnak twins

[teal spoke]

what is qp

[coarse creek]

quickplay

[upbeat gyro]

20m is kinda max distance ill detour for some res canister

[fallen crypt]

Quick play

[crude dagger]

The mortis trials are a great resource farm

[teal spoke]

oh ok

[coarse creek]

that depends on people actually playing twins tho

[upbeat gyro]

But nearby, ill grab all

[fallen crypt]

Yeah but that also means you gotta do the mortis trials

[crude dagger]

Fuck twins

[coarse creek]

unless you can carry twins or have a group it's

inconvenient

[crude dagger]

Don't do twins

[fallen crypt]

Oh I love fighting the twins

[teal spoke]

oh i dont

[coarse creek]

since ime there will be like 2 players who are fresh level thirties queuing twins

[crude dagger]

Twins is only ever fun in a pub

With randos its a nightmare to run

[fallen crypt]

Oh I usually am soloing one of the twins while the other 3 randos deal with the other one im not picky, if I lose to the twin then im a disgrace to my bloodline and all zealot mains

[crude dagger]

I just don't bother

Lfg will be my only option for twins

[coarse creek]

do you get a more than average amount of resources off train? i don't think so but i don't really pay attention

[crude dagger]

It's the fastest mission to run

That's why

[fallen crypt]

I dont get all that much for train imo

[crude dagger]

Its like a 15 minute mission

[fallen crypt]

But i also stopped paying attention to it after a while

[main trellis]

Train is for melk penances

Not for rezources

[crude dagger]

I wouldn't know about resources

[dim moth]

auric train is a 10 minute time limit iirc

[coarse creek]

and for the vet/general hitless penances if you get your friends to jump off at the start

[fallen crypt]

And " just a flesh wound" penance

[crude dagger]

Mortis is good for resources

Just don't lose

[dim moth]

time limit is longer on lower difficulties, and you only have to do the servo skull stuff once

[fallen crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/7000-pigeons-eat-this-man-pigeon-eat-man-gif-17501475598059519228

[coarse creek]

oh i guess mortis gives you more than enough resources to compensate for being longer than qp missions

[bronze glade]

Pretty sure mortis give less for time spent

[crude dagger]

Its just fun

[astral canyon]

Perks for dual autos?

Im assuming flakiac

[fallen crypt]

Yeah the perk is getting a better gun

[crude dagger]

Mortis is for when I'm like, bored of doing regular stuff

[crude dagger]

Bound by duty was a super ass update

[fallen crypt]

Im not sure what that is

[livid raven]

psyker/vet/zealot new tree update

[fallen crypt]

All I know is I have PTSD from the poxburster round, ive gotten really good at dodging and pushing them

[crude dagger]

It added the plasma gunner

And a new mortis map

[astral canyon]

Falchion, new bolter/bistol marks, plasma gunner, tree reworks

[livid raven]

no i mean

that update remade their trees

[pulsar aspen]

Also Power Maul Rework..

[crude dagger]

They tried nerfing dueling swords, but buffed it instead

And called it a nerf

Fatshark doesn't know what they're doing half the time and it hurts

[fallen crypt]

Ngl the plasma gunner didnt bother me but we also had a bubble pysker

[fallen crypt]

Are they supposed to?

[crude dagger]

Yes

They broke h40 several times now

[coarse creek]

does cranial still crash servers

[crude dagger]

And is the reason I'll never play h40

[pulsar aspen]

Perhaps they do know what they are doing but they can't do that because of... ahem.. unjustified outrage of people having their crutches being taken away from them revealing that they really aren't as good as they think they are.

[fallen crypt]

I heard it was fixed from like one or two peiple but then nothing else from it hold on

[crude dagger]

Ggg does that all the time with path is exile

[coarse creek]

sometimes i remember that fire used to zero your toughness

[main trellis]

Dreadful times

[pulsar aspen]

Very fun.

[coarse creek]

i played during that hilarious patch where they broke bomber fire dots

so it killed you in like 1.5s

[fallen crypt]

Its been a WHILE since ive played path to exile

[coarse creek]

we all had bomber hypervigilance afterwards

[pulsar aspen]

As it should be.

[main trellis]

It made us stronk

[crude dagger]

I hate bombers

First thing i kill

[pulsar aspen]

Instead of instantly dying to fire, we are now slowing dying because we choke on tox gas

[crude dagger]

Fuck bombers

[crude dagger]

Picky the strong can stay drugged

Everyone else dies

[fallen crypt]

Atleast the fire goes out at a reasonable time frame

[crude dagger]

Why the hell is there ammo and stimms abs shit liteering tertium anyway

[fallen crypt]

Thst tox gas sticks around forever omg

[crude dagger]

Pinkies

[fallen crypt]

I feel like litter is the least of the issues of tertium

[crude dagger]

Its bad when the space cop and criminals are working together

[fallen crypt]

But have you ever been off a main street in NYC? There are 'stimms' all over the place

[fallen crypt]

Cowboy Bebop type beat

[crude dagger]

I love vet

[lilac ermine]

They need to rebuff all the enemies they nerfed

[limber cradle]

Tox Gas otherwise known as the just play arby modifier

[lilac ermine]

Buff shotgunner, plasma gunner, flamer, bomber, shooters, umm what else

[leaden fable]

Buff crusher hp

[pulsar aspen]

I have no problem with tox gas, on any class really. I just move out of it, why would i willingly fight inside it?

[limber cradle]

Because your idiot teammates also are

Also because I don't want a 20 minute mission turning into a 40 minute one when I can literally just play arb with rebreather

[pulsar aspen]

If my idiot teammates decide to fight in tox gas, destroy their toughness and eat corruption damage, i'll leave them to their fate.

[leaden fable]

Yeah the only time I end up in gas is to get a net off a teammate or res them

[lilac ermine]

Some ppl dont have arb 😭

[crude dagger]

Ngl, I'm not a fan of HS dialouge. Nearly everything I've heard is
"Your a criminal/rat"
Followed by "yes, and?"

[limber cradle]

Sucks, pay them money or run ES MMF vet ig

[lilac ermine]

Some ppl dont have vet

[dire badge]

some ppl arent even ppl

[crude dagger]

I'll run vet for you

Ive got WS and VoC with i thin it was that 10% damage aura

(Please, he is starving)

[leaden fable]

Kinda how I feel about arby dialogue, it all boils down to them yelling random shit about the lex

[crude dagger]

It's gotten better

[pulsar aspen]

You would do so too, if you'd know what the Schola Progenium does to people.

[leaden fable]

Some people don't have darktide

[lilac ermine]

Bounty hunter just keeps saying im the best

[pulsar aspen]

This is the Imperium after all.

[lilac ermine]

And I want money

[leaden fable]

Yeah I think some of the personalities had their variety bugged

[crude dagger]

They're supercops, what do you expect

[leaden fable]

[crude dagger]

They're judge dredd wanna bes

And temu robocops

[pulsar aspen]

They aren't wanna bees. They simply are.

[crude dagger]

They're better

That's what they are

Lick their boots peasant

[pulsar aspen]

The Adeptus Arbites as an Organization is similar in power and authority throughout the Imperium to the Inquisition.

[crude dagger]

I'm aware

They even work with the inquisition occasionally

[pulsar aspen]

So much so that really only Grendyls Inquisitorial Authority prevented a very unpleasant end to Rannick.

[crude dagger]

Isn't the inquisition the only ones that can realistically question the arbites authority?

[pulsar aspen]

Of sorts, they could be considered equal.

[crude dagger]

I kinda figured

[pulsar aspen]

The only ones that i know of that truely are beyond the Inquisition are the Grey Knights, the Custodes and perhaps the Navis Nobilite, the Navigators.

[crude dagger]

They're talked about on the same level of respect

[pulsar aspen]

And of course, the Mechanicus, but that is another thing entirely.

[crude dagger]

Well ofc, they're another faction entirely

[pulsar aspen]

Not quite.

They are technically a part of the Imperium, but not really.

[limber cradle]

Deathwatch can tell em to fuck off as per the codexes

[crude dagger]

Strictly speaking i meant

[pulsar aspen]

Deathwatch makes sense, yes.

[crude dagger]

I'm aware of the treaty And how the imperium functions with mechanicus

Their... tolarable neighoors

[pulsar aspen]

Again not quite.

The original alliance, yes.

Between Terra and Mars, before the Horus Heresy.

[crude dagger]

I use the word neighbor very liberally

[pulsar aspen]

But during the Heresy, those parts of the Mechanicum that remained loyal to the treaty of Olympus and thus the Imperium, got integrated into the Imperium as Adeptus Mechanicus, but by large, they are still at the same legal status as before.

So, own laws, policing, military, all that.

[crude dagger]

Yee I'm aware

But I'm also aware of the tensions between the 2 groups

[pulsar aspen]

Naturally.

[crude dagger]

So when i say tolorable nighboor, i meant it very loosely

I do wonder why i never see the mechsnicus fight with the imperium though

[pulsar aspen]

They very much do, if necessary. No one wrote something like that probably.

It might have the same effect as any Imperial Guard Regiment fighting alongsing the Death Korps of Krieg.

Even Cadians don't like that.

[lilac ermine]

Are they going add clans in this game

[pulsar aspen]

For what?

[lilac ermine]

For grouping

Idk social

[crude dagger]

I probably just haven't read the right book yet lol. I'm still on the opening parts for 15 hours

The only other 40k book I've read is the infinite and the divine

[pulsar aspen]

Let's just say, any battlefield/theater where there is a Titan of any kind involved, or an Imperial Knight, we have the situation you described.

[fallen crypt]

I doubt it tbh there hasn't been an overwhelming ask for it

[lilac crystal]

They're working on the clan update

[pulsar aspen]

Because Titans and Knights owe allegiance to Mars and the Mechanicus.

[lilac ermine]

Ok ty

[pulsar aspen]

Or more specifically, a Forge World.

[crude dagger]

That's interesting

[limber cradle]

Knights don't always tbf

[crude dagger]

I need to get into mechanicus lore tbh, they're so cool

[limber cradle]

There's a difference between imperial world knights and mech world knights

Fuck some knights don't even belong to a world

They freelance

[pulsar aspen]

No, not always, but usually, because their Sacristans require education on a Forge World to be able to maintain the Knights, also they have to get new Knight Suits from somewhere, usually, a Forge World.

That is the same reason why Astartes Tech Marines wear partial or full red armour, because they are educated by the Mechanicus.

[limber cradle]

Some of em

[crude dagger]

I love techmarines

They are also not the social bunch

[pulsar aspen]

As always, there are probably exceptions.

[limber cradle]

RG techmarines iirc receive their education on Kiavandir/Deliverance

Raven Guard

Their home is an independent forge.

[versed spruce]

The Mechanicus game was how I got into 40k

Very cool faction

[pulsar aspen]

Deliverance is a moon, Kiavarr used to be a Forge World, maybe still.

[limber cradle]

It is still

[versed spruce]

Especially how they're one of the most homebrewable factions in the setting

You can do so much with tech priests

[limber cradle]

That was Corax's whole negotiation with Big E, Kiavandir's independence

[pulsar aspen]

Note, i did not say they get the education on Mars, but rather on a Forge World.

[crude dagger]

Techmarines are treated by their fellow marines the same as the mechsnicus itself, and the techmarine themselves don't usually care to indulge conversation, and don't hold the mechanicus in high regards

[limber cradle]

Well, red is the color of mars tbf

[lilac ermine]

I dont remember this in darktide story

[limber cradle]

Other forgeworlds have other schemes

[pulsar aspen]

Yes, because Mars is the primary Forge World. Think of an alliance of city states with one being the most influential.

[crude dagger]

They probably wouldn't. The mechanicus intentionally refrains from teaching even tech marines their bigger secrets

[pulsar aspen]

Now that i think of it, might be quite similar to how the Hansa operated.

@crude dagger Of course not, they get what they need to know to maintain the Astartes Equipment, that's it.

[crude dagger]

Other wise the mechanicus would be useless to the imperium and promptly removed

[pulsar aspen]

The Hansa had a lot of member cities, but usually it was Lubeck who was the leader, because of the city's influence.

[crude dagger]

Yrs

[pulsar aspen]

Rivals to Mars used to be Ryza or Graia, but they could never surpass Mars, especially after the Heresy.

[crude dagger]

I'm not familiar with the HH

Not a lot anyway

[pulsar aspen]

Its just a giant Rebellion lead by Horus.

[crude dagger]

All i know is that horus did the heresey and John imperium did the thing

[pulsar aspen]

In the simplest terms.

[crude dagger]

John heresey and the 40k warhammers

You need to collect all 40k warhammers in order to defeat john horus

I do need to eventually read more books

The horus heresy is awesome

I would like to know more about Iron warriors then just YouTube lore videos

[limber cradle]

Good luck

[pulsar aspen]

Ah, the bitter ones.

[limber cradle]

They don't get a whole lot

[crude dagger]

I know

They're just the scrapegoat for when the writters need to kill a lot of something

[limber cradle]

Should look into uhhh

[pulsar aspen]

They have a very good character in the form of Barabas Dantioch

[limber cradle]

Lemme remember the book name

Pharos

[crude dagger]

Perty and his iron warriors only got like... 2 books if you can call the 2nd one that

[foggy phoenix]

Cries in every alien faction that isn't Eldar

[limber cradle]

He's only good if you want loyalists

[pulsar aspen]

T'au?

[limber cradle]

There are a lot of IW loyalists written about

[crude dagger]

Aeldari gets fucked in the infinite and the divine. If the necrons would stop having pissing contests they could take over the galaxy

[pulsar aspen]

The Iron Warriors are.. very messed up in their traitorous form.

[foggy phoenix]

If it isn't intelligent enough to form alliances with, you can bet the alien faction will be the set dressing before the real plot involving chaos or the eldar start showing up

[crude dagger]

I'm convinced the necrons are the top 3, if not, the strongest factiom, but are too busy trying to hoard power to do anything

[limber cradle]

Ig for modern IW you got Storm of Iron

They also don't get a lot tho

I wish every warband got a Lords of Silence styled book tbh

Its basically only NL and DG with good 40k representation

[pulsar aspen]

There's an upcoming book featuring Word Bearers.

[limber cradle]

Featuring sure, I'm talking about from the PoV of tho

[foggy phoenix]

Canonically, they're pretty strong.
On the tabletop... They leave much to be desired.
Like, sure, when the tomb world awakens they're going to magically kill everyone short of a small group of named characters (usually space marines), which will then magically resolve the entirety of the necron problem by the end of the book.

[pulsar aspen]

I do so as well.

[limber cradle]

Neat, I'll take that tbh

[limber cradle]

They're the strongest in the setting

They're also asleep

Or civil warring

[foggy phoenix]

I'm in the "Eldars are broken if the writers remember that webway gates exist" camp

[fallen crypt]

How's your wraith bone doing?

[foggy phoenix]

Remember: There's literally one leading to Holy Terra itself, and the ability to outright delete worlds is pretty much something every faction can do on a whim.

[crude dagger]

I mean, they're not invincible. The lot of the crons that aren't anything above a overlord is pretty killable. They're not just stronh though they're brutally terrifying when they want to be.

[foggy phoenix]

If they were truly hostile, it wouldn't be impossible to threaten the core of the imperium itself

[fallen crypt]

I cant say shit, I love the Ynarri and we got fucked over hard in the codex (lore wise our detachment was goated)

[limber cradle]

Eldar have straight up blendered custodes in single combat before

I like mentioning this cause it makes the custodes people angry

[foggy phoenix]

But, you know, writers can't write actual real modern battle tactics

[foggy phoenix]

Harlequin funni

[limber cradle]

It wasn't even clowns

[crude dagger]

Sure they can it just won't be fun to read

[pulsar aspen]

@limber cradle https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/lomqtzfk/word-bearers-and-kriegsmen-headline-black-library-books-from-both-sides-of-the-wire/

[limber cradle]

Oh joy

Krieg

[foggy phoenix]

Closest thing we got are the Tau

[limber cradle]

Annandale isn't too bad

[foggy phoenix]

on the tabletop, the tau are also the closest thing to a real modern army

[fallen crypt]

GW please give me the other crone sword it will be so funny

[limber cradle]

"Drazhar is one of very few Commorrites whose atrocities are widely admired within the Dark City. The deeds of this enigmatic bladesman are often spoken about, particularly by those Drukhari who managed to secure his services on a real space raid. There are countless stories of his macabre work, such as the time he personally butchered every Imperial defender in the spire of Hive Tarson, or when he single-handedly dispatched a trio of Custodian Guard at close quarters."

They died to the best tbf

8e DE Dex

[foggy phoenix]

The stories of 40k and who wins or loses, and whether or not it's actually canon is entirely up to the competence of the writers

In that regard, some factions are just punching bags for everyone else.

[versed spruce]

Low blow man, they already have enough to be angry about with women existing and all that

[foggy phoenix]

I really want to see a novel specifically revolving around the life of an ork pirate captain

And not, another fucking space marine book

[limber cradle]

"No you don't understand, the emperor would choose to only surround himself with ripped men, women can't be custodes"

[foggy phoenix]

And more recently, especially not another HH book

[versed spruce]

I'm an unironic believer of this but only because I believe the emperor is closeted gay as fuck

How does one go millenia with semi-conservative beliefs and not get laid a single time

[foggy phoenix]

I just see the Sisters of Silence as the Sisters of Battle, but gold, and apparently psychic blanks

[limber cradle]

They're all blanks, yeah

Iirc women are more commonly Blanks?

I can't remember if that's true or not

[pulsar aspen]

Probably just a design decision

[pallid quail]

the emperor has canonically sired heirs the old fashioned way. thats part of why i suspect hes rick sanchez

[foggy phoenix]

I want to see the Sisters of Silence gets sicc'd on a seer council

[versed spruce]

"Women more commonly do not have souls"
Thank you James Workshop

[limber cradle]

"Women are gross and icky to be around, they make me uncomfortable." And a narrative was born

[foggy phoenix]

Especially since blanks are such abnormalities to the psychically sensitive that they're downright the equivalent of a void in time and space in their eyes

[foggy phoenix]

Even funnier when you realize that, in spite of a shithole every hive world is, in spite of the tithes, their populations are still growing.

Which means that the average imperial citizen either go at it like bunnies on a field without predators, or they're cloning people.

[astral canyon]

Perks for dual stubs?

I mean blessings

[bronze glade]

For desp?

Blaze and speed load

[foggy phoenix]

Stubs? Desp?

[astral canyon]

No as sidearms

[versed spruce]

Hives in general just make like no sense

[foggy phoenix]

Consign yourself to using either a revolver or the needle pistol.

[versed spruce]

18 billion people are living underground, and are fucking enough to sustain that population

[astral canyon]

Also pretty sure stubs dont have blaze away

[versed spruce]

And they have enough food and rights to guarantee or even have a good chance that it doesn't miscarry

[foggy phoenix]

But if you really want to go stubs, Run n Gun since it needs the accuracy

As for the 2nd blessing, it doesn't really matter all that much given that you'd likely be using it to kill specialists and elites.
Problem is, its accuracy is so shit that you spend more time shooting just to score hits, and hits themselves don't necessarily translate to kills on gunners given its terrible breakpoints

Even if you take Run n Gun and Sticky Hands together, you're still going to spend time plinking than sniping.

[bronze glade]

Oh stubs. Mb. I use run and gun and sustained fire iirc

Blessings on stubs are kinda whatever

[foggy phoenix]

If only the base accuracy wasn't so shit it'd make braced autos look like sniper rifles

Run n Gun is mandatory if you're going to try to use it for anything other than close range

[bronze glade]

I basically stopped using stubs entirely

They just feel fucking terrible

[foggy phoenix]

Only scum-exclusive weapons that are worth using are shivs and the needle pistol

Everything else is a gimmick

[fallen crypt]

I love the needle pistol

[bronze glade]

DAP is good too

[foggy phoenix]

Pls FS, just give scum access to shovels

[foggy phoenix]

The venerable IAG:

[bronze glade]

Yeah Vraks is always going to be stupidly strong, but DAP is good still

[main wagon]

Nerds have done math and IAG and DAPs both beat each other out in different tests by VERY slight margins

[foggy phoenix]

Only meaningful difference the distols have is the ability to reload while sprinting forwards, and a little bit better against carapace- But literally why would anyone try to shoot carapace with peashooters

[foggy phoenix]

IAGs can snipe across the map
The distols can only dream.

[main wagon]

Me killing a sniper at like 94m last night:

[foggy phoenix]

How much ammo did it take

Granted, I suppose that doesn't matter given pickpocket is a thing

[main wagon]

1 burst of 3 bullets because I stole the kill from someone else

[foggy phoenix]

How scum-y of you.

[main wagon]

It just instantly died and I went “oh snipers dead” and my buddy went “I was shooting that ”

Getting decent with throwing shivs is also an option

Coming from zealot helps with that

[foggy phoenix]

The IAG is just more reliable when the team neglects to deal with gunners before they set up a firing line, and you now have to deal with it.

[main wagon]

Desperado makes you immune to ranged, why are gunners a problem for you?

[foggy phoenix]

Even funnier when literally no one else but you has anything that can be used at range

[main wagon]

Run up to them and steal their wallets while they cry because their shots just can’t hit you

[foggy phoenix]

CD is a thing.

[main wagon]

I just rockstar knee slide and Close The Gap™

Huh, Scum really is Zealot 2.0

I get it now lmao

[foggy phoenix]

More like gun psyker but not an actual detriment to the team.

Filthy ammo thieves

With pickpocket, they're essentially just staff psykers with less AoE for better range

[main wagon]

Gunscum still has the problem of being a complete terrorist to play with

Is it fun to play? Absolutely

Will people enjoy playing with you? YMMV

[foggy phoenix]

Rogue-archetype class being a selfish little shit that can't even bubble for your team like psykers do? Sounds about right.

[eager zephyr]

People really hate playing with gun scum?

[foggy phoenix]

Scum are secretly just Kerillian ports from VT2

[eager zephyr]

Are we talking like desperado or just needle spam down main with pickpocket

[main wagon]

Depends how oppressive they are throughout the match and if they try to be at all considerate about letting you deal with your own enemies

[foggy phoenix]

A bit of both, tbh

[main wagon]

Desperado with like IAG/DAP

[foggy phoenix]

Tox scum will always be appreciated when the rotten armor horde shows up

Granted, someone still has to hold them back for the toxins to work so...

I guess it's not all fun for everyone

[main wagon]

Because if you get excited on Zealot to Press F and charge at the enemy and some asshole keeps gunning down every enemy down to the trash mobs before you can get even swing, it gets annoying after 10 minutes

I say this as someone that plays gunscum almost exclusively

[nova valley]

Thank god someone said that. Seems like if A is infinitesimally slightly better than B, the latter is instantly trash

[foggy phoenix]

Ranged class stealing kills from people doing melee.
Sounds about right.

[pulsar aspen]

@main wagon Perhaps you have that rare skill called Fire Discipline

[main wagon]

I try to tell folks to be conscious that you are playing a game where other folks wanna see their builds shine

If you have the privilege of the scoreboard, don’t chase the high. You know you’re good, just frag out and wait for your hero moment

[crude dagger]

I run needle gun, and i have the sense to not shoot my elites and speacialists no more then 1-2 times, 3 if ogryn

[pulsar aspen]

@main wagon Them having the scoreboard is the first issue.

[eager zephyr]

lol yeah was about to say

not having scoreboard as a console player is lowk a blessing

[limber cradle]

It's almost like there was a reason the scoreboard got removed

[crude dagger]

Why the fuck would i want to do better then my teamates anyway?

[foggy phoenix]

As long as the havoc match is cleared. Nothing else matters.

[crude dagger]

Its a co-op game

[pulsar aspen]

@crude dagger Because some people are simply like that

[foggy phoenix]

Scoreboard results are always up for interpretation.

[pulsar aspen]

Interpretation, another thing a lot of people can't do

Or won't.

[foggy phoenix]

Damage is surely the only thing that matters amirite

[pulsar aspen]

Of course...

[crude dagger]

Starting to see why i got shit on for playing support now. People really have no chill sometimes

[limber cradle]

If you go by the people who post the scoreboard in this discord? Yeah the damage number is normally the only thing their tiny brain can comprehend.

[crude dagger]

Like i love dps a the next person, but not everything has gotta be big number

[eager zephyr]

Lmao I love how different havoc experiences are sometimes

I’ve never been flamed for playing needle scum so far

[pulsar aspen]

@crude dagger What did they say, that you don't have any damage or something like that?

[foggy phoenix]

Big number gives dopamine.
Granted, it's usually only dopamine for the people with the big number, and not everyone else.

[main wagon]

Most things you can generally vibe out. Were you all gold? Yeah, it probably felt like it. You didn’t really need a mod to tell you that lol

[limber cradle]

I'm gonna be deadass it pisses me off when people sit outside extract elevator to farm big number.

[main wagon]

If you literally overshadowed the performance of your entire team you were either kinda sweating or they were kinda butt

[crude dagger]

Said it was a meme, and that playing even support vet is stupid

[pulsar aspen]

In their mind, it probably is.

[crude dagger]

Its really not

Support on vet is really strong

[pulsar aspen]

Never would say otherwise.

But to them it is that way.

Does not matter if it is correct.

[crude dagger]

Sucks too be them

I just won't support them

[main wagon]

Tbh the best thing anyone can do to get better at Darktide is properly set up your mf headset

[low harbor]

Damage matters but is not conclusive to overall performance

[foggy phoenix]

Literally what numbers can you fish during extract
At best, you only get like 20-30k killing trash mobs

And most matches end with everyone getting around 600k on average for mid havoc

[low harbor]

And damage number has a lot of nuances due to attack ADM and enemies having hitzone damage multipliers

[main wagon]

I had a buddy who didn’t download the bullshit proprietary software so he had no EQ’s or anything

Literally couldn’t hear certain sound queues

[limber cradle]

Thats what I'm saying man, get the fuck in the elevator and let's go

[main wagon]

[foggy phoenix]

And I'm saying- Scoreboard or not, that attempt at "farming" for damage stat is largely inconsequential

[crude dagger]

So i gotta say it's don't piss off your support, they will let you die, and I've 100% done that as a support vet

[foggy phoenix]

You get the biggest of numbers trying to murder crusher hordes with infinite cleave weapons like flamers and staves

[limber cradle]

If you're actually good at DT your survival is only reliant on yourself I'm ngl

[main wagon]

I don’t mind if it’s a cute lil cinematic moment like the Ogryn pissing away the last of his ammo on the literal landing pad at the end of Hab Dreyko’s post-finale gauntlet

But yeah u right

When they’re not right next to the door and the ENTIRE group is just standing like “bruh”

[limber cradle]

You get to shoot the rest of your mag, but if you sit there and reload 4 times to keep killing groaners it's wasting my time.

[foggy phoenix]

Hab Dreyko is probably the only time extract can be screwed up.

[main wagon]

Had some guy join our game before chasm station assassination boss

We were in the elevator

He goes back out

Searches that whole station

[pulsar aspen]

On that note, it does annoy me sometimes when people get downed because they stay too long when extraction is up and others will go out from the "safety" of the evac point to help them, endangering the entire mission at the very end because of the notion of "no one get's left behind"

[main wagon]

He made us wait longer than it took us to drop the boss

Ironically before the beat of the song dropped

[crude dagger]

Not necessarily. Vet can run a damage aura, and VoC is always welcome in my book. I don't recommend running full support on vet cause you still need to pull weight. It's far from useless though

[foggy phoenix]

The number of times I had to leave teammates behind to sprint towards the godforsaken storm raptor because the director threw a billion rotten crushers at the last possible moment in hab dreyko

[pulsar aspen]

I WILL leave you behind if you endanger the mission success like that and i have no issue with that.

[limber cradle]

Nah that's the one time I actually leave people tbh. If you go down cause you wanted to farm you can stay there.

[foggy phoenix]

Their sacrifices won't be in vain

[pulsar aspen]

@limber cradle Indeed.

[limber cradle]

I'm not saying it's useless, but I am saying it's not deciding whether I live or die either.

[main wagon]

I’m like a commissar in comms with my guys

“Oh shit the random died”
”Leave him.”

[pulsar aspen]

I will go out of my way to rescue someone if the situation allows it. But this kind of stuff? No, i won't.

[main wagon]

“Aw shit the psyker blew up again”
”He’s not important. Focus on the batteries.”

Rolling Steel

[pulsar aspen]

Yup.

[crude dagger]

It can mean the difference between fighting for your life and a walk in a park. VoC has pulled many randos out of the gutter by just activating it, and the endless grenades is nice for letting other classes have them and doing damage on trash

[main trellis]

unless you're an absolute then it can work (we both know it)

[pulsar aspen]

@main trellis Sometimes the Emperor calls me and i shall answer.

[main trellis]

and me

[limber cradle]

Yeah, cause they're bad.

[crude dagger]

No, not always. It's geniuely really poweful supports

Cause i play a gun heavy vet i can hang back and do damage with big gun

[limber cradle]

You can use whatever you want, I'm not telling you not to

I'm just saying that at the end of the day survival in darktide is reliant on yourself

[fast prawn]

I dont know man

Having an ogryn watching your back is pretty useful

[crude dagger]

Like i said, i could just abandon you and never use VoC. You don't wanna knock your supports

[limber cradle]

I would be okay with that

Personally

I expect absolutely nothing from the other 3 people I'm queued with, ever.

[vapid jungle]

You are the constant in your games

[fast prawn]

How bro felt typing that

[limber cradle]

You get it.

[vapid jungle]

Not to say I don't help am very fast to revive and untrap

[leaden fable]

They are there for me to help, not the other way around lol

[brittle sierra]

I think what people misinterpret

Is that being a crux is not the same as actually helping the team

If you are not pulling your weight, it effects the whole team

Regardless of what everyone else is building

So you pick up the slack

That's it, there is nothing else to it

[limber cradle]

If everyone can of their own accord stay on their own 2 legs, it'll be an easy mission.

[crude dagger]

It's all fun and games until you piss off the entity that choosing to actively buff the team man

[limber cradle]

I think you're taking this really personally

[fast prawn]

Buffing is useful

And makes good players better

Thats literally it

[bronze glade]

I just expect them to not double dip medicae and other resources, and not take 800 percent ammo. Apparently, these are unrealistic expectations.

[fast prawn]

If you cant stay in coherency you are a bad player regardless

[limber cradle]

Brother I don't even expect this shit anymore.

[low harbor]

Nah

[bronze glade]

Prob for the best

[limber cradle]

Nah, if you keep going down outside of coherency you're bad. If you keep leaving coherency, killing a lot of things, and not dying?

I'm happy to have you.

[crude dagger]

That's my goal as vet

[novel oracle]

Lol

[limber cradle]

Coherency like, does not matter tbqh.

[brittle sierra]

Your goal of vet is to Thanos snap every specialist that comes into existence

[fast prawn]

I dont mean game mechanics coherency imma be honest i forgot that exists

[brittle sierra]

I don't care what you build, just do it

[novel oracle]

If my team decides to stay in the absolute worst possible spot and is actively dying
It is better to break off and live than stick with them and die with them

That happens super super often

[limber cradle]

I would rather have an ES vet who can wipe the specialists off the map than a "i press f for piss" vet tbh

[crude dagger]

I do, and i support my team in the process

[bronze glade]

Run VOC so you can piss all over your teammates

[vapid jungle]

Coherency is nice but if you can't survive outside of it...sounds like you have room for improvement.

[novel oracle]

Truke

[crude dagger]

If you're outside coherency you just aint a team player

[low harbor]

If u think about it stance is basically having 2 keystones

[novel oracle]

Exe stance is overlooked because its a proactive tool above all else, voc is more reactive (and sometimes proactive)

[limber cradle]

I'm a stance purist man

[novel oracle]

It takes way more situational game knowledge to use stuff proactively

[limber cradle]

Stance is the ability on vet for me.

[limber cradle]

ES prevents situations you'll ever need to use VoC in if you can use ES well imo.

[novel oracle]

Its really easy to react with voc but its not at all easy to use it to engage

[vapid jungle]

I've been enjoying stance a lot more lately

[copper crag]

Smoke Grenades + Execution Stance to X-ray through your own smoke is devastating

[limber cradle]

Time to dig out my favorite LANCER meme again

[fast prawn]

I meant like gamesense coherency

[novel oracle]

On shovel double barrel I will spend my toughness rushing down gunners, and when within range, cast and now all my toughness is back and, the gunners are on the floor, and I can engage them in melee super safely like this even in havoc 40, even against reapers

[vapid jungle]

The game does not always allow you to be close. Good players know when to reposition.

[crude dagger]

VoC isn't really to engage anything to begin with. I use it for the toughbess boost, the stagger and the help

[crude dagger]

I good team does that better

[novel oracle]

Thats using it proactively rather than "owie my toughness"

[main wagon]

No, you don’t understand.

We have to fight this beast of burgle in a literal janitors closet while tox gas fills the air

[low harbor]

VoC unironically second worst support ult in the game

The only support ult it’s better than is nuncio and that’s just not a high bar to pass

[main wagon]

Oh and don’t forget…

”Someone call for a bewm?”

[bronze glade]

Eh chorus?

[novel oracle]

Voc is so hard to be a support ult because it just happens to affect teammates when it happens
A lot of the time when its best used for a teammate, its on cooldown cuz you used it for yourself

[low harbor]

Chorus is way higher impact for when u need support ults

[crude dagger]

Bro really saw the 2 support abilities in the game and called them trash, you realize nuncio debuffs enemies right?

[low harbor]

Nuncio is completely horrible

[novel oracle]

The problem is that it stands still

[limber cradle]

I love having a designated standing area!

[novel oracle]

Its strong, but quickly loses value if you can't hold space

And people fucking suck at that

[low harbor]

VoC is a fight reset ult that has gold toughness attached

It’s not a real support oriented ult

[bronze glade]

At the cost of a player, and a massive amount of dps potential throughout the game

[leaden fable]

It'd be a shame if a single pox bomber made it ineffective

[limber cradle]

Nuncio debuffs enemies but BtL stops them from doing anything at all

[main wagon]

The enemy of every designer: user error

[low harbor]

Yes

It’s still a way higher impact support utility than VoC

I wrote it very straightforwardly in my guide

[bronze glade]

I mean is it a better support ult if it’s screwing over your dps lol

[low harbor]

Yea it’s a way stronger reset tool

[bronze glade]

For 40 minutes

[novel oracle]

Fatmangus is the best zealot support

[low harbor]

VoC gets countered by gas spam so hard it’s not even funny

[main wagon]

Most ethical zealot build

[mighty belfry]

Nuncio's AoE is pitiful.

[leaden fable]

Fatmangus is the fattest support zealot

[crude dagger]

VoC with ability cooldown is all ill run

[limber cradle]

Fatmangus will let you survive the worst of clutch situations so I agree

[zealous ravine]

i forgor nuncio aquila exists

[coarse creek]

.... oh is this fatmangus thing why i've been seeing so many 4 wound zealots

[mighty belfry]

The actual effects of Nuncio are pretty good but the AoE makes it impractical unless you're with a really tight knit team.

[coarse creek]

i see

[novel oracle]

Nuncio was valued way more highly when the dr was coded as x0.3 dr instead of 30% dr xd

[leaden fable]

It would be nice if you could cast it in a way where it follows you or a teammate

[main wagon]

It’s the two #45’s, one with cheese (stealth) build

[crude dagger]

Idk i just throw down on top of medpacks and call it i day

Or play out really aggressively

I don't think about it

[mighty belfry]

But then you'd just get way more mileage from BtL doing this.

[main wagon]

4 Randos fighting on different parts of hourglass stairs

[novel oracle]

It needs a casting functionality change

[main wagon]

[crude dagger]

Maybe, but I'm in a 4 pub with nuncios rn. It's just funny

[novel oracle]

We wanted it before launch but it didnt pan out for release

[mighty belfry]

BtL is arguably a better support ability than Nuncio is because of the amount of CC it provides with little downtime.

[novel oracle]

Holding the cast lets you place it stationary, tapping makes it follow you

[mighty belfry]

This would make it so much better.

[vapid jungle]

I would love this

[crude dagger]

Alternatively, funny floating drone that shouts holy words at your enemies while you beat them to a pulp

[vapid jungle]

And it differentiates it from other abilities even more

[novel oracle]

But this isnt true

It following you is comparable to chorus

[mighty belfry]

I mean yeah. It's entertaining.

[crude dagger]

If nuncio could move with me i would be a happy guy

[zealous ravine]

chorus but with gameplay

[mighty belfry]

But not even remotely close to the best support ability unfortunately.

[low harbor]

If nuncio moved with arb it could be good

[limber cradle]

If NA followed you I could see a use case for it

Instead of BtL being the only arb ult

[low harbor]

Then it prob ties with VoC as worst support ults

[crude dagger]

I only user it cause penences

[low harbor]

Instead of being worse than VoC

[vapid jungle]

I meant compared to bubble and stimpack

[crude dagger]

I play arby really aggressively so nuncio is useless compared to stance or btl

[novel oracle]

Itd be better than it

Not only would it allow the nuncio to move where its needed

The entire duration the arb gets all the effects

[zealous ravine]

it'd be a 2nd dog

[crude dagger]

Nuncio is still good casually mind you

If you don't care about min/maxing you can take it

[novel oracle]

You could consider it a stance ability for the caster at the same time

[past trench]

Ok guys

I don't want to connect for nothing

[novel oracle]

Its be the worst stance in terms of effects, but you get to share it

[past trench]

Today is new cosmetic day.

[upbeat gyro]

Whats the darktide mod that shows separate dmg scoreboard for toxin, bleed and such

[past trench]

Did we had any new things for hivescum ?

[zealous ravine]

no

[coarse creek]

no

[past trench]

FFS

Retry in two weeks.

[zealous ravine]

trolled

[upbeat gyro]

Mine just shows one big chunk of dmg and then amount of specials killed etc.

[crude dagger]

Jittery breaks the tree

[fast prawn]

There is a sea snippa in the toilet

[past trench]

Oh

...

[novel oracle]

This is what happens when they pump out new classes before theyre ready
Bugs abound and no cosmetics lined up for the store

[coarse creek]

you're looking for ovenproof's scoreboard plugin patch or powerdi

[past trench]

So no cosmetics (I hope it won't get the arbites treatment)

But skill tree thinggy

[crude dagger]

All those talents that got seperate are fully respeccable btw, you just can't go backwards

[novel oracle]

I think scum will get some before
Theres actual reasons outside of their control for arbites

[low harbor]

I could see that yea

I don’t think it should even have a place down option

Just always follow arb

Unless placing down gives it a much bigger radius and/or greater buffs?

[past trench]

Yeah I know GW is holding stuff for arbites

I mean why Idk

[novel oracle]

But overall the value of instant 9m aoe stagger will always trump lots of other effects ngl for just the value of abilities, not just support value

[novel oracle]

Placing it at a choke point

Plus, it would kinda suck to remove functionality that was only flawed due to the lack of option b

[low harbor]

Yea but like the arb would also be holding that choke point no?

So what’s the difference between following arb holding that choke point, and placing it at the choke point

[novel oracle]

Replacing a with b rather than having both when its perfectly reasonable to have both

[crude dagger]

I say that if it bleeds it can die

[novel oracle]

If the arby needs to break away from the choke for whatever reason

[crude dagger]

No

Its my duty to beat shit to death

[novel oracle]

You can throw one to a rez that someone else is about to be getting to make it faster

[zealous ravine]

beat them to death non lethally

[crude dagger]

No, lethally

And brutally

Heresey is not tolorated

[novel oracle]

Having the option for both isnt a bad thing cuz you can just do either whenever

[zealous ravine]

hersey chocolat

[crude dagger]

When it comes to me and arby, i play according to the situation

[zealous ravine]

its just cooler to have both options of follow and stay anyways

[crude dagger]

If there's a boss, i boss, if there's mobs i mob, if my ability is up i use it when best used

I don't think about it

I just kill

[zealous ravine]

you kill stuff? 😨

none of the rejects would ever do this....

[crude dagger]

This is 40k all there is is death

[vapid jungle]

Or what if it was interactable and someone can press e to get it to follow

[zealous ravine]

40 thousand peacehammers

[vapid jungle]

The trollportunities

[crude dagger]

If the peacehammer is getting delivered into the skulls of my enemies, i accept

[astral canyon]

And bonesaw mastery done

[novel oracle]

I forget auric is piss easy and I was about to say that doing something other than the main task can be the better play

But that doesnt matter in auric, only in havoc

[astral canyon]

Thats all scum weapon masteries

[crude dagger]

Nuncio i think needs a bigger radius to

[zealous ravine]

mission board got so powercrept lol

[novel oracle]

Its so upsetting theres no middle ground for higher end players

[zealous ravine]

yeah i'd like a more casual version of havoc personally

[novel oracle]

Theres snoorics
Then havoc 40

[zealous ravine]

cause i sure dont wanna deal with rank

[novel oracle]

For sleeping
And for sweating

[crude dagger]

I'll place nuncio in a decent forwaed position in a given area and it just feels like its not covering enough ground ever

[novel oracle]

Theres no chill challenge

[vapid jungle]

No mans land histg has its moments

[zealous ravine]

they could also just make havoc less annoying to get into but im fine with a new gamemode or new board difficulties too really

[novel oracle]

Mostly caused by the map being a geometric nightmare for dodging

[zealous ravine]

the bridge section in no mans land is hilarious

[crude dagger]

Havoc is for the seasoned peoples who have friends and time, in not one of those people

[zealous ravine]

we had a bulwark wave there and 2 of us got ledged by them

[upbeat gyro]

"Look at me, look at me, I am the BTL Arbiter now!"

[zealous ravine]

i shrimply dont have the patience to grind 5h+ to reach 40 just for it to get reset again lmao

[upbeat gyro]

Id be happy just for getting the havoc25 lockable cosmetics

[zealous ravine]

the set is pretty nice

[upbeat gyro]

Played total like 3 havocs so far, should start grinding and atleast go once above that 25 mark

[modest patio]

Your havoc assignment level doesn’t change though, right? I mean your weekly clearance goes down

[crude dagger]

I think the devs balance the game around casual play anyway

The elitism in h40 is disencoursging

[zealous ravine]

doesnt feel like it sometimes

[upbeat gyro]

I started by doing Auric Maelstrom, ive been 16 ever since

Even though last week i finished 14 or something below i think

[modest patio]

I literally do 1 havoc 40 a week and then more if I want

[upbeat gyro]

Just for the weekly resources

Which was 5k plaststeel or so

[zealous ravine]

i dunno weekly derank is just an extremely annoying and useless mechanic

seasonal derank is even worse

[novel oracle]

Depends where you look

The elitism varies based on the group youre paying attention to

The majority though yeah is "only use meta"

[modest patio]

Which is fair tbh.

[zealous ravine]

at least i can play hytale instead of grinding havoc rn yippie

[upbeat gyro]

Im actually tempted to dust off my Psyker so id get into Havocs, just bubble + inferno my way through there for the penances

[crude dagger]

Which is the antithesis of what i enjoy. Constantly playing meta can get old quick.

I like having fun

[zealous ravine]

a lot of the meta in this game isnt even fun

[modest patio]

This game is fun I’ve also been playing it since it came out lol

[novel oracle]

The people i play with are elitist in the way that directly counters that
"Play with what you find fun, as long as it doesnt take away others fun"

[crude dagger]

Ive been shit on maybe 2-3 times now for making builds i fibd fun

[zealous ravine]

yea i thought it'd be messier but its pretty functional

[novel oracle]

So sometimes that is in direct opposition with meta

[lilac schooner]

If you have a good enough team you don't have to play meta for h40

[novel oracle]

I cant fucking stand playing with a purg staff

[modest patio]

I’m sad there isn’t more but it is what it is

[novel oracle]

Its so unfun

[upbeat gyro]

Is there mod to tune down its effect?

[modest patio]

Trauma staff best staff

[zealous ravine]

playning purg is also just mind numbing

[modest patio]

I mean, purg is best.. but

[zealous ravine]

trauma is a decent bit more enjoyable

[leaden fable]

Yeah idk how anyone can stand playing it for more than one match

[zealous ravine]

but i dont personally like any of the staves gameplay wise

[lilac schooner]

trauma is a better team support with all the stagger for crushers and bulwarks

[leaden fable]

At least funny big shoe staff has you thinking about aim

[zealous ravine]

big shoe staff

[leaden fable]

https://tenor.com/view/big-shoe-lmfao-big-shoe-lmfao-gif-21655557

[low harbor]

Unfortunately not the case

[upbeat gyro]

Trauma was my favourite lasttime i played psyker 2 years ago

[crude dagger]

Its the "I'm not telling you how to play, but your build is ass" shit for me. Like I'm just having fun, I'm not talking anything seriously

[lilac schooner]

i cant use staves in general cause i cant focus on the peril meter while trying to not get pancaked

[zealous ravine]

big shoe lmfao

[leaden fable]

It's only like that because of demotions sadly

[zealous ravine]

h40 has no demotions due to loss (thank hecking GOD)

[leaden fable]

If you have a havoc 40 mission sure

[zealous ravine]

maybe the elitism is carried over from earlier ranks though

[novel oracle]

Trauma is on the same level as purg but actually requires brain function which is why you see way less of it

[leaden fable]

If you're in a havoc 40 and your mission is not 40 it's still getting deranked

[zealous ravine]

yeah i dont like that

i was happy with inviting lower ranked players but if we lost only they get punished for it

its fricked

[low harbor]

2 neurons firing instead of 1 isn’t a huge leap

[crude dagger]

I just don't bother with havoc

Its a killjoy

[leaden fable]

Erm it's literally double the neurons

Plus try to use it on a mesh staircase, that's the real challenge

[zealous ravine]

hoping 2026 we get some harder non havoc content or smth

[eager reef]

my ideal is more modifiers active in normal games

[upbeat gyro]

"Introducing the new Rotten Armor 2.0"

[zealous ravine]

some modifiers could defo be added to mission board yea

[eager reef]

too many event modifiers got locked to havoc despite not being that bad

[zealous ravine]

event modifiers rarely too

[eager reef]

if they were all in rotation on stuff it would make QP alot more dynamic than jsut "oh boy i love histg"

[novel oracle]

Thats too tall an ask for meta psykers

[leaden fable]

Bring back sedition, but bump every difficulty down a term so the current uprising becomes sedition. Then give us new double auric

[zealous ravine]

i've noticed that theres literally only 1 build i enjoy on psyker

everything else i just never play lmfao

[eager reef]

my ideal is being able to start missions with a modifier slection

[novel oracle]

Its the only thing i can find fun anymore
Everything's been too powercrept and every class has been bubblewrapped too much

[eager reef]

but i know that's a stretch

[crude dagger]

My ideal is a endgame that isn't ass

[crude dagger]

Probably why I'm enjoying HS so much

[upbeat gyro]

Whenever i hit QP, im for a suprise as i havent found out where i can see whats in the mission while im there

[crude dagger]

I'm at a point now where I'm used to the class

[leaden fable]

Tab?

[crude dagger]

I'm about to switch off needle gun and go into something aggressive

[novel oracle]

Havoc is just struggling with making modifiers that are attempting to counter meta stuff only to make that stuff the only things that can reasonably deal with it rather than just fucking nerf them

[upbeat gyro]

Ive tried checking that but havent noticed where the mission info is there

[leaden fable]

I cannot recall if unmodded shows what mission you're in

[novel oracle]

It does

[crude dagger]

I hard getting 2 pinks in a crowd is a misreable experience

[zealous ravine]

i just want an endgame that i can hop on anytime and have fun idk its shrimple...

chaos wastes was awesome for that

[novel oracle]

They were supposed to counter dotspam by healing more than they can deal
But the density is too thick they could just be buried, and the only thing that can reach and kill them is infinite cleave and/or dot spam, which allowed the dots to snowball on everything else and now theyre nuked when the purple dies

[crude dagger]

Mortis is fun for an alt mode, but there's still no suitable engame for me

[eager reef]

this is why i like warframe. take something i like that is bad and bend over the level cap for funnies

[novel oracle]

It just makes it slower for everything, but dots remain the best option

[zealous ravine]

mortis is just not challenging at all most of the time

[crude dagger]

Some of the perks area op

[eager reef]

i joked that the solution to this, was jsut make any enemy with the buff taller

literally jsut scale the model up

[zealous ravine]

i wonder if they can just resize enemies like that

[eager reef]

no idea

[crude dagger]

Probably, they can do it with height on character models

[eager reef]

but in my head it;s a solid solution

[zealous ravine]

trying to rember if vt2 had diff heights in any modifier i might be remembering wrong

[eager reef]

knowing obese fish it would break 40 things

[zealous ravine]

oh god

[eager reef]

wait where is that meme

[rough peak]

I am not sure, I don't remember anything like that tho

[zealous ravine]

yeah i was thinking the chaos wastes tzeentch modifier had it but i doubt it

[crude dagger]

Its not good game design to make a modifer that directly counters existing mechanics anyway, that's not game design, that's controlling your players. It limits playstyles and build expression

[novel oracle]

In solo mode, ogryn enemies when they get red or orange actually get larger
A red bulwark is nearly the size of a cspawn

[rough peak]

Tzeentch doesn't have that

split and upgrading lightning are 2 that I remember

[zealous ravine]

just in solo? huh i could test that

[rough peak]

having that loot rat split into 2 monsters is a rite of passage

[novel oracle]

Well the idea of it would be to adapt to what your assignment asks of you, for a customized challenge in the challenge mode

[leaden fable]

No ammo maelstrom be like

[novel oracle]

But also its cuz fatshark is scared as hell of nerfing the stuff that is oppressively overpowered

[zealous ravine]

purg staff will stay as is until morale improves

[crude dagger]

There's nothing to adapt to if the mod is meant to hard counter your shit like that

Its not like most elites that challenge game knowledge

[rough peak]

https://tenor.com/view/eyes-burning-my-eyes-spongebob-gif-5183364

[zealous ravine]

idk visibility can be fixed with mods im talking more power wise

[rough peak]

I know

[novel oracle]

Adapt to as in change your loadout
It may counter your main playstyle, so now you have to take on the challenge with one of your backup loadouts

[crude dagger]

That's not adapting, that's reacting.

[novel oracle]

If this stuff was in auric, id take issue with it, but the intent of it asking the player to take on these challenges with a variety of the games tools is not bad design

Keyword intent

Not in practice

[crude dagger]

In practice its ass at doing its job

[novel oracle]

Its just not executed well here
But the idea of this existing in the challenge mode isnt bad

[leaden fable]

Adaptation is a type of reaction?

[crude dagger]

No

[low harbor]

They balanced havoc for density and continuously produced the worst mutators for it

[limber cradle]

Yeah I'll adapt to rot armor and put on the needler

[novel oracle]

Changing to different tools and using them is a usage of game knowledge both in knowing what your array of tools do, what theyre best for, and how to use them

[crude dagger]

PoE2 has better endgame mods that challenge me

[eager reef]

i jsut wont play rotten armor bc it's not fun

[novel oracle]

If you can do everything ever in the challenge mode with only 1 loadout better than everything else when you have all these tools
That is bad game design

[hearty bluff]

What you guys Stim tree look like? Not sure where to go

[crude dagger]

Darktide just fucks me and asks me if I'm having fun yet

[low harbor]

Current havoc mutator is just BL3 mayhem modifier

[limber cradle]

I'm replaying Elden Ring rn instead of playing Havoc, you don't need to tell me that.

[eager reef]

i need the rest of the classes, none of them are high enough KPM for me

[zealous ravine]

just dont go top left

[pallid quail]

no cus those were fun n didnt cause crashes

[limber cradle]

I think what pisses me off the most about havoc mutators is that the engine clearly can't handle them but that doesn't stop fatshark.

[eager reef]

i ahvent replayed that in awhile. waiting on nioh 3 and code vein 2 at the end of the month

[novel oracle]

The modifiers we have just suck mega dick so it just feels bad

[limber cradle]

Rot armor gas mist on death? Frame drops. Cranial+toll? Crashes the game. Blight? Frame drops.

Like

[low harbor]

They actually managed to improve upon dogshit to make dogshit^2

[limber cradle]

Design the mutators better or unfuck your modifiers

[zealous ravine]

gigaslop modifiers

[novel oracle]

The modifiers only encourage the best of the best which were already being used and discourages the variety of weapons that already werent the best pick

[limber cradle]

This shit is awful

I don't need to tell you that tho

[novel oracle]

We're being very vocal to the rizzler

[limber cradle]

The fact that it isn't even skill based gameplay thats good into Rot Armor pmo

[novel oracle]

This shit just aint it

[zealous ravine]

the funny part is that complaining about havoc is more enjoyable than climbing rank

[limber cradle]

It's "I'm gonna spam needler with pickpocket and trivialize it"

[pulsar aspen]

@limber cradle Very boring actually.

[limber cradle]

I agree

Blight+rot armor inventivizing using my least favorite ult and weapon on Scum is why I'm playing Elden Ring rn

[livid raven]

why would you do that

when you could play pathfinder wrath of the righteous

[eager reef]

bc it's a fun game

as an aside i hope nioh 3 doesnt run like ass

[livid raven]

uh i swear my profile had a decoration

[limber cradle]

Because every single time I play a crpg I go "damn this sucks I wish I was playing a real ttrpg instead"

[crude dagger]

Bsulgers gate 3

[low harbor]

I expect nothing to get better

[zealous ravine]

i heard that it had like way m or stuff than rogue trader so idk if i wanna give it a shot or not

like way more stats

[low harbor]

There is not enough of an audience for havoc to justify the amount of effort it would take to make havoc’s systems good beyond the gameplay itself

[livid raven]

it's just dnd

[zealous ravine]

just remove derank fully as minimum solution

[leaden fable]

Wtf get outta my head

[low harbor]

Nah it needs more than that

[crude dagger]

No

[pulsar aspen]

Deranking is a good and healthy thing for Havoc.

[zealous ravine]

deranking is by far the most miserable part of havoc

[eager reef]

derank is good and bad imo, both sides have solid arguments on it

[crude dagger]

This entire convo was an elaborate and calculated convo so i could mention baulders gate 3

[eager reef]

midgate 3

[novel oracle]

I actually really like deranking
It makes the whole experience way more enjoyable as I climb up the ranks

[zealous ravine]

i c imma check it out later

[novel oracle]

I also like kicking babies off cliffs

[zealous ravine]

i mean i did unironically like climbing rank the first time

except that was like a year ago and now its pure misery

[crude dagger]

Finding out i can derank in havoc is more reason to not play it

[low harbor]

It needs more than that

[novel oracle]

Once you reach 40 you no longer derank by losing

[low harbor]

It should flat out not be a rank system

Only 3 havoc “ranks” actually are relevant

[novel oracle]

You only derank manually or by not playing havoc for a week

[leaden fable]

My bg3 group meets every Thursday, we have a specific channel to discuss it. During the day before we play people will just say
"Baldur's gate 3"
In chat. We started the chain right before you posted that

[zealous ravine]

oh for sure i'd love for them to do more

[low harbor]

21, 31 and 40

Every other havoc rank is irrelevant

[zealous ravine]

i like the idea of it just being 3-4 ranks since thats very simple and convenient

but idk how much fatshark is willing to actually do anything with havoc so i'd be happy with removing derank at least

[crude dagger]

If i wanted a ranked system in my coperative shooter,i would play r6 seige, but I'm not a masochist so i don't play that

[low harbor]

Not enough of an audience to justify pouring significant effort into making the mode good

[limber cradle]

The derank is like, super generous tbh

[eager reef]

it's fun after 12000 hours i promise

[zealous ravine]

yeah thats what im thinking

[low harbor]

Havoc is only good for the hidden modifiers & spawn system tweaks

They’ve only made 1 singular good mutator (toll)

[north meteor]

dnd but you break the game

[limber cradle]

I've played through bg3 twice and tbh now if I play it I go "damn i wish I was just playing dnd 5e with an actual tabletop group"

[low harbor]

Every other mutator has been some flavor of dogshit

[zealous ravine]

could be more generous by just letting me play the videogame

[bronze glade]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-cooking-gif-25702406