hivescum-class

[mighty belfry]

It does actually make a difference.

[low harbor]

stam main value to me is kinda just

[limber cradle]

I don't think they need the stam

[low harbor]

u get to block more atks and not feel as bad abt it

and u can sprint more

[limber cradle]

They have vet hp which means you get absolutely fucked in havoc if something goes wrong

[woeful hill]

\

look how many reapers I found in my solo. Dont mind my fov

[limber cradle]

Desperado players dream vs rampage players nightmare

[woeful hill]

I pressed space bar

[low harbor]

bro is playing on that 55fov for the authentic drug addict experience

[woeful hill]

It was a challenge

friend told me in vc

H40 solo but min fov

[low harbor]

I also don't run stam regen curio perks

[mighty belfry]

I do on rampage scum tbh

[low harbor]

it's actually rly funny if u think abt it

[low harbor]

I just run the dodge stam talent

[mighty belfry]

I would do that.

[low harbor]

it fks my muscle memory the least & synergizes with rampage most

[mighty belfry]

But I'm already pressed for talent points for my build.

[low harbor]

I don't run jittery on any build

[limber cradle]

Love jittery

[low harbor]

too cheesy & dodge linger would get patched later

[mighty belfry]

Hell I don't even have jittery.

[limber cradle]

Scum the epitome of "damn I wish I had 5 more talent points"

[low harbor]

nah that's arb & vet

[mighty belfry]

Jittery is more of a movement speed talent to me honestly.

[low harbor]

they rly did not change vet's core identity of "this class would be so good if it was lv35 max"

[mighty belfry]

In tandem with nimble.

[limber cradle]

Yeah yeah yeah vet suffers

[spiral horizon]

Vet is plenty strong tbh

[low harbor]

they are

still need changes tho

[spiral horizon]

the skill tree needs work ofc

[mighty belfry]

Vet has

The Build ™

[spiral horizon]

which build is that?

[astral canyon]

The Build ™

[astral canyon]

Hope this helps!

[mighty belfry]

Path's guide outlines it.

Ya that.

There is a really bad imbalance between left, middle and right bottom.

[woeful hill]

bottom right is something

[mighty belfry]

Bottom right is stupid.

[low harbor]

I love damage

[woeful hill]

yippee

[mighty belfry]

Yeah. Let's just give like

70% damage for free

[low harbor]

let's just give vet 70% more dmg for playing the game the right way

[mighty belfry]

Most of it being base damage mind you.

[low harbor]

and keep it that way

[low harbor]

wats this supposed to mean

[spiral horizon]

there's also da las build

[mighty belfry]

Exactly what I said.

[tender marten]

it means the damage you deal is based

[low harbor]

what is base dmg supposed to mean

[idle ocean]

Fellas would tac axe be okay on stim supply?

[woeful hill]

based on what?

[low harbor]

it's just +dmg

[tender marten]

yes

[idle ocean]

Hyper crit btw

[woeful hill]

yeah

[limber cradle]

Why does fatshark kinda suck at designing actual perk trees

[low harbor]

which is built on top of this

[idle ocean]

Kewl I didn’t know if it was only good on rampage ty

[mighty belfry]

Ya. As in it affects all damage. Not specifically melee or ranged.

[low harbor]

well agile engagement is melee/ranged

[mighty belfry]

Like Agile Engagement does.

[woeful hill]

taxe is one of the if not the best generalist weapon can be used with minimal talent investment to be useful

[mighty belfry]

Das why I said most.

[low harbor]

the actual global dmg buff is up to 45%

[mighty belfry]

Skirmisher and Exploit weakness.

[low harbor]

which is a lot but vet isn't rly a DOT spam class usually

psyker still has 4x+ of vet's mixed horde clear

when they should have at best 50% more on dedicated builds

[limber cradle]

Wonder what they're gonna buff on psyker next

[woeful hill]

who would win, 4 professional soldiers or 1 guy with voices in his head

[low harbor]

scrier's gaze grants +10% melee&ranged atk speed while active and for 10s after it ends
gain +1% melee&ranged atk speed per DD stack

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[woeful hill]

goldtoughness for each % of peril quelled when used

[limber cradle]

Both of these seem viable tbh

Vet and Zealot have piss toughness

We'd had if psyker were left out

[fervent flint]

does speedloader talent stack with other reload increase? like the dual auto blessing

[limber cradle]

Yes

[low harbor]

yes, but keep in mind that reload speed has diminishing returns because reload time is calculated as (base reload time)/(1+reload speed bonus)

[mighty belfry]

I mean. Flesh tearer uncanny knife is a thing that does exist.

[limber cradle]

Ime you only need speedloader or the reload perk

Both is a little overkill

[mighty belfry]

Vet is the class that can really abuse that

[light phoenix]

Can Vet make use of Mercy Killer?

[tranquil fjord]

yes

[mighty belfry]

It's the only class that can.

At least meaningfully.

...and Flesh tearer is still usually better.

[tranquil fjord]

serrated blades, shredder nades

[light phoenix]

What about Zealot, they have bleed on crit talent?

[light phoenix]

Oh ya Shredder nades

[tranquil fjord]

i wouldnt use mercy killer without serrated

[mighty belfry]

Not consistent enough to use mercy killer effectively even with crit build.

Because you need to actually proc the bleed before you can take advantage.

[light phoenix]

And I'm assuming by then the Zealot has already killed the target

[mighty belfry]

Had it not been for that, and mercy killer would be a lot more applicable.

[tranquil fjord]

yeah

[spark gyro]

I've found the most cracked crowbar set up known to man and it's so funny launching zombies left and right

[light phoenix]

Share pls

[spark gyro]

Bet

[light phoenix]

Wish the Crowbar had a different mark

[spark gyro]

https://youtu.be/XdvWDK2RIOE?si=9IKrNq_OJi77KOEc

I personally use the boom bringer instead of the chem grenade but both work well for the build

[low harbor]

that's the only good melee dot for vet

[astral canyon]

What perks for bonesaw?

[bronze glade]

prob flak cara

unyielding is a good bet too

[brittle sierra]

unyield/cara

there are no breakpoints on the saw since it's all dot damage 😔

[astral canyon]

And blessings are shock and awe+decimator right?

[brittle sierra]

I take awe, and shred

[eager reef]

i want to like decimator

but i find crit stacking toxin more reliable

plus it double dips and will force proc toxin even in purple mod

[dim moth]

just unga bunga carapace/unyielding

flak can also work because they're the targets you need chem tox damage into

maulers/bulwarks/crushers that is

[brittle sierra]

you are not supposed to ever use purple debuff if you have a toxin focused build

stacking the toxin is better in all scenarios, except when the boss has been toxin dumped already by another scum

[eager reef]

I will continue to use purple bc it amuses me

[dim moth]

or you

coated weaponry refreshes tox stacks on bosses just fine

might as well use purple for the better damage

[brittle sierra]

i mean if you already have the max toxin sure, but I always feel like I am toxin dumping the boss, then switching to kill something else

[grave venture]

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-satoru-gif-949319236308169219

[mighty belfry]

I use brittle toxin cuz I like ourple

[final temple]

my experience is that flak feels better than cara.

[undone arch]

Chubby Fish won't let me be painfully unfunny and name my ganger Methany.

Or other related names.

But needling has been fun

[vapid jungle]

You could do famous jazz guitarist PatMetheny

[undone arch]

Just got my hive scum to 30

I seem to be enjoying the right tree, recreational drugs build

[vapid jungle]

Hell yea brother let's get decriminalized

[undone arch]

I'm gonna be testing if I can play comfortably wit 2 +3 stam curios and 1 toughness

But I don't have a 17% yet.

[vapid jungle]

Good luck finding that

[undone arch]

Oh it's gonna be a while

[final temple]

in the meantime, feel free to experiment with one toughness, one health and one stamina curio. or two toughness one health. scum is interesting in that regard

[dim moth]

triple stamina no balls

[vapid jungle]

[candid granite]

Can anyone recommend a strong build for hive scum that holds up in high level havoc? I've nearly finished levelling my Hive scum and as I try higher difficulties still struggling to stay alive (normally have 0 issues on other classes, I'm havoc 23 last time I played).
I'm also not sure what the best perks on the Bonesaw & crowbar & shivs are? I've been enjoying rampage but open to ideas if a strong build suggestion is out there? 🙏 Thanks!!

[undone arch]

Drugs

[wraith robin]

is it just me, or bless selection on the needle pistol doesn't make much sense?

I can't choose anything that matters, aside range attack immunity

Also, I guess the needle pistol will be the first weapon with damage as a dump stat? From what I see when testing, it only affects the initial damage on impact (pretty neglegable), main damage is done by chem DoT anyway, and it doesn't depend on weapon's damage stat?

[drifting heron]

Nope

Flamer has that honor

[wraith robin]

I thought it has decent raw damage too? Same as the Inefrno staff? As it's effectively the same as firing an SMG, it does tons of hits per second, no? With the needle gun it's just a c 2-3 hits (1-2 for specialists), so not really matters

[drifting heron]

23 damage

Versus 22 damage

[wraith robin]

yea, but that's per tick, which you have many per second?

[drifting heron]

Its the direct damage

It would take half a magazine to kill a poxwalker with the direct damage

[mighty belfry]

Rampage scum is particularly punishing to play in Havoc.

You really need to lock in to ge the most out of it.

That being said, if you do, rampage scum is capable of crazy sustained damage.

Desperado and Stimm Crate are a lot safer picks.

[patent bone]

Good luck getting Scum in Havoc. We aren't popular there

[mighty belfry]

That is

Not true at all

They've been becoming more frequently desired recently.

[fast gust]

Unlike non rumblagryns

[spice cloud]

I dont want no rumblagryn cuh

Thats wack shit.

One time i joined a havoc team as oggy and they wanted me to switch to rumbler.

I left.

[patent bone]

Really? I haven't had any luck staying long, and I wasn't doing THAT bad

[mighty belfry]

Stimm Crate is a hard counter to Blight.

Needle pistol spam is one of the best means of dealing with Rotten Armor

The only one that's kinda shaky

Is rampage scum.

[patent bone]

Ahh, I usually play Desperado Dual Autos

[mighty belfry]

Because you need to be on your A game to pull off rampage scum well.

[patent bone]

Might explain it

[mighty belfry]

Funny thing too

People may not realize it

But desperado DAPs are extremely busted in their own right

They're just not that good against carapace but that's why you bring a melee weapon to compensate

[patent bone]

Oh hell yeah. But not the reason why I love it

I just love gunning down rotters

[mighty belfry]

But ya people usually want more utility based scum

[patent bone]

What'd you recommend? I use Dual shivs

[mighty belfry]

I've been lucky to get into teams that'll take rampage.

[mighty belfry]

Shivs or combat knife.

People tend to prefer combat knife over shivs for desperado from what I've heard.

Because it's a better movement tool.

[patent bone]

Is combat knife faster, or does the heavy strike do more damage?

So far I have been enjoying the shivs

[mighty belfry]

While also being better single target

Which is what you're usually using your melee for with desperado anyway.

[patent bone]

I mainly do a sting and dash method with my shivs

Might try combat knife

[undone arch]

The Show gang represent

Drugs

[zenith fern]

I often do far more push attacking with knive

for mk6

mk6 knife is nasty for scum, you can clean rooms of armoured hordes with ease added with the attack speed

[mighty belfry]

honestly even mk3 is really good

[mighty belfry]

also I didn't answer this

but combat knife is faster with the sprint tech

heavy strikes, it depends really

mk3, heavy strike do the big damage. mk6, push attack do the big damage

[patent bone]

Wow really?

[zenith fern]

with and without rampage it does insane numbers

As far I remember the push attacks dont count as heavies towards for rampage rending upgrade

[patent bone]

Block push? Or the other one?

[zenith fern]

Push attack is when you holding attack when you still hold block

Instead of just click attack to shove

[patent bone]

Ngl I don't use that one a lot. Gonna need to practice the rhythm

[zenith fern]

It does quick work for single target hits

I am able to one shot plenty of ragers and other elites

[patent bone]

What blessings is good for combat knife?

Aside from Carapace

[zenith fern]

Depending what you going for with the build

I do go uncanny strike and Precognition

[patent bone]

I'm going on a range melee build mainly, but I can use it with a dual stubs build I got

[zenith fern]

Knife does a lot when hitting weakspots and finesse stats

You can still use knive for scum ranged

[patent bone]

Ye, my stub build is pretty balanced between melee and ranged, but mostly ranged

[patent bone]

Also Mk 3 or Mk 6?

Mainly looking to cut down carapace

[zenith fern]

I prefer mk6

[patent bone]

Imma give it a try

[spice cloud]

You should opens some unique combos for some weapons.

[patent bone]

Just tried it, holy shit it slaps

Mk6 is amazing

[keen timber]

That first push LOL

[fierce aurora]

9 more trust levels until I finally maxed out hivescum.

Around level 15 I noticed hivescum playing better because more talents.

I want to get that 5x heresy penance for the pants

[upbeat gyro]

Lvl 15 you can pick pickpocket and keep firing infinitely

Thats big powerspike right there

[fierce aurora]

Ye.

[spice cloud]

Hivescum has the best class penances imo.

Its the first class where i completed every penance.

And only one was a little annoying the rest just finished by playing the game normally.

[upbeat gyro]

For me the heavy hitting while stimmed is the only bothersome

[spice cloud]

Try stimm crate with chem dependency and bonesaw.

For me it was the 2500% tghnss replenished or smth like that.

For the iron skull

[supple kraken]

The toughness regen one is the most annoying

toughness regening stim path is like, the most out of place in this regard

for early game it's too much and too slow

for auric+ it's barely enough and too slow

[spice cloud]

Yeah

It feels very useless

The only good thing about it is that your stimm will heal your entire tghnss.

But thats pretty much it.

[supple kraken]

that shi would only help in case if you have appointment with Kral to fix ur teeth

And even then ts would still hurt and you would have to inject another dose mid process

[spice cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/i-want-drugs-drugs-give-them-to-me-gif-4499771

[supple kraken]

Waaaaiiit

So toughness stim path is just... Kral's dental anesthesia

[livid raven]

i'm hoping for a toughness path rework

it's pretty garbage for now

[misty condor]

what if it could give you gold toughness overbuff

[amber sundial]

oh boy 15 second stim crate cd spamming gold toughness

[supple kraken]

or very weak heal like green stim

Or even better

Both

At the end

[livid raven]

yeah i can already imagine people sitting on the safe rooms waiting for the crate to come back online each time

[amber sundial]

Can’t wait for public lobby players to murder you for not using the heal stim on crate builds

[supple kraken]

Make it heal max up to 50% of player hp

[livid raven]

that's literally better than a medi stim

[supple kraken]

Weak heal, only up to 50% of hp

not heal 50% of hp

[livid raven]

i don't understand

[supple kraken]

ts is a safety net not safety shotgun

[livid raven]

oh you saying it doesn't heal over 50% of your max hp

[supple kraken]

ye

shi like that stays as a safety net akin to arbitrators perk capping damage to hp at 50 only

but in it's own way

[keen timber]

A heal would be very very broken

[supple kraken]

look above

[vapid jungle]

It bothers me so much the dmg reduction stacks to 16 and not 20 like...2 of the other paths.

[keen timber]

It would still be very broken lol

Like, zealots biggest strength is holy revenant letting them heal

And we’re saying a team wide heal wouldn’t be the most broken thing imaginable?

When healing si so incredibly limited?

[astral canyon]

And even that is on a 2 minute cooldown and capped at 25%

[keen timber]

Yep exactly

It’s also only personal

Scum could be doing that every 30 sec or so

For the entire team

[astral canyon]

Which btw is kinda annoying because on a martyrdom build that leaves me with just over 1 wound so i dont have max stacks when it happens

[keen timber]

I don’t mind it too much

I don’t think the extra Marty stack hits any breakouts really

Breakpoints*

[supple kraken]

in the world of darktide, everything shall be broken

[keen timber]

Not… quite the same thing

This is another tier of broken

[supple kraken]

yes, we are going straight to reanimation with how it will be broken

[keen timber]

Healing is one of the most limited things in darktide

There’s 4 ways to actually heal (I’ll not count the zealot talent that heals a percent of damage done because that’s no different to damage mitigation)

Holy revenant, med kit, med stim and Medicae

But yes surely a team wide heal healing them to 50% constantly would be fine

[pulsar aspen]

[keen timber]

Also cleanses corruption too so it’s not even like you can use corruption to prevent the healing

So it just completely invalidates the danger of chip damage

And makes everyone functionally immortal

[pulsar aspen]

Agreed.

[supple kraken]

hhhhhhmmmmmmmmmm

[keen timber]

A heal in kit is not balanced. Zealot gets away with it because it’s one of their ‘big’ things, it’s capped at 25% on a 2 min cooldown, it’s personal and it’s a huge portion of their power

[livid raven]

just had an auric match with 2 recon lasgun vets, me (despacito vraks) and a smyker

truly the match of all times

[pulsar aspen]

How did it go Don?

[livid raven]

pretty well, it was like call of duty zombies

[drowsy relic]

Healing should always be a resource

It should never be free

[pulsar aspen]

I am not surprised.

It is a good thing that Healing is limited.

[livid raven]

what if it gave temporary hp instead

[keen timber]

I don’t think that would really help

Its a similar issue

[livid raven]

eh might aswell remove the toughness garbo and make the damage resistance +6% instead

[pulsar aspen]

How about Silver Toughness. Extra toughness, but does not prevent damage like Golden Toughness.

[supple kraken]

so two people playing laser tag with industrial lasers, one playing smg esque cod build, and of course, the ball wizard

[supple kraken]

HHHMMMM

Up to 25% and increases damage taken + weaker effect (max up to 10%) if used as stim pack

and doesn't give hp instantly

[keen timber]

Increases damage taken on a floor aoe means ur griefing ur team by creating an arena hazard

This is a lot of extra work to try and fit something in that simply shouldn’t exist

It’s not even a case of if it can be balanced

It just shouldn’t be added

[pulsar aspen]

Is this about the Toughness Section of the Cartel Stim, do i get that right?

[keen timber]

It’s a bit like empathic evasion and desperado ranged dodge

Simply shouldn’t be there

[supple kraken]

Yes

[pulsar aspen]

In that case, someone suggested, and i like that idea the most, is that the Coherency Toughness Regeneration is replaced by increased Toughness Replishment.

So, every time you get Toughness, you get a bit more.

[keen timber]

It should be toughness regen and replenishment or something yeah

Instant gain is pointless

[pulsar aspen]

Because Coherency Toughness Regeneration is almost completely useless.

A relic of old Darktide.

[keen timber]

It was still useless then lol

[pulsar aspen]

Unfortunately

[supple kraken]

So we agree to use Kral's dental anesthetics but increase the dosage and change the formula then

[pulsar aspen]

Speak plainly.

[supple kraken]

nah

[pulsar aspen]

What a cute plushie.

[supple kraken]

watcher in the dark plushie, comedic enough, there was other photo of it

[pulsar aspen]

I am well aware.

[supple kraken]

Near a bottle of liquor

[fierce aurora]

For the crowbar. How do you make it start in swing 3 to deal with groups?

Since strikes 1 and 2 are strikes.

[livid raven]

wouldn't you just do heavies instead

[supple kraken]

heavies is the way

[fast surge]

You use the push attack to start the combo no?

[livid raven]

i think push attack leads to light 3 directly, but let me check

[fierce aurora]

I am unfamiliar with crowbar since it’s nothing like I’ve played with before.

[livid raven]

yeah, push attack leads directly into light 3

god this weapon sucks

btw light 1 is also a sweep

nvm it looks like one but it's pretty ass at it

[fierce aurora]

Ye…

I like the hacksaw as desperado.

But I also want to learn the crowbar and max that

[muted pivot]

I want to make a decent Desperado build with Crowbar, it feels like a decent pairing for it, but scared to try the thing lol

Unfortunately there are no headcrabs in Tertium

[fierce aurora]

They got different sorts of crabs.

[supple kraken]

Yet

[fierce aurora]

[supple kraken]

There are definitely crads, but not crabs

Won't be a 1:1

But if you manage to sneak into the other hive city

You....

You will have honor of playing Warhammer 40k Fire Warrior but in darktide

[keen timber]

it's... kinda not really?

without melee buffs it's kinda just there

[waxen lake]

Hey I might need some help. I bought the Hive scum class yesterday and well, its still locked. But I got all the Cosmetics in game. Anyone else got/had that problem?

[echo python]

If you're on Steam, try verifying the files or restarting it

[vapid jungle]

Crowbar needs more support than desperado can afford i think.

[livid raven]

it really, really sucks with no investement

[dim moth]

would leave you at max stacks if you had 3 wound trinkets instead of 2

[main trellis]

Pairs well cause its good in defence; try it - it can also stunlock a crusher which are your main weakness

[main trellis]

Nah; the moveset & blessings make up for it - it does what it needs to do in that build
Defend & occasional crusher stunlock/kill

[keen timber]

but then ur wasting a slot on another wound curio

[main trellis]

And not getting toughness is oof

[dim moth]

not wasting

investing in the future for when I die

[muted pivot]

Yeah, my main thoughts were for it to be a delaying/safety weapon and a back up plan for carapace

I've been using shivs

Mark 3 kinda fits for that style but 1s are still better

But want an excuse to not use shivs really lol

I use them in my rampage build already

[final temple]

which are the more sensible choice together with cblade. good on their own without much need for talent investments. and easily shining by taking hypercritical

[vapid jungle]

It just dawned on me how funny it is that the improvised shiv variants are called marks when they are just 2 wine openers and 2 box cutters

[final temple]

pretty sure mk1 are wall anchors originally

[ocean thunder]

I got the character today and was wondering if this is an ok set up.

I feel like it’s pretty decent but im open to hear anything if it’ll improve what I made.

[final temple]

ditch top left completely. useless.

[muted pivot]

Yeah maybe combat blade is the way for me

Stronger uncanny for crushers

And I don't need the throwing shiv

[zenith fern]

quite a mess of stimm lab
Dont ever take the top left side

[muted pivot]

Generally you want any of the other wings maxed out

But toughness wing only gives coherency regen

[zenith fern]

What is your build focused on for that stimm?

[muted pivot]

It's barely worth the attack downtime to trigger it

[vapid jungle]

Wait thay doesnt effect all sources of toughness Replenishment?

[zenith fern]

no

[vapid jungle]

Lmao that is hilariously bad.

[vast aspen]

top left regen only works when nothing is agroed to u so never lol

[muted pivot]

Not as implemented

[ocean thunder]

Idk I tried getting a little bit of everything

[main trellis]

Never did
It affects coherency… = dogshit

[final temple]

usually there are two approaches: full upper right by itself/full lower right by itself or a combo of upper right with either of the lower arms.

[muted pivot]

I can only presume it's a fuck up

[vapid jungle]

The fatshark special

[zenith fern]

Only coherency, big 2026 and FS still thinks is a good game idea design to have toughness coherency talents and buffs

[zenith fern]

You really only need by the most top right and bottom left, thats my main use of stimm lab

CDR might be useful on some scenarios

[vast aspen]

crit on stim is amazing if u run box everyone doing more crits will always be better dps ]

[ocean thunder]

Perfect thank you, would it still be worth it for having the -12% damage taken or does that not matter?

[muted pivot]

I like top right and bottom left for greedy damage builds

[zenith fern]

ehh if you are skilled enough you dont necesarily need it

[vapid jungle]

I love my rending and stun immunity paths. These are the best drugs.

[zenith fern]

if it isnt havoc

[muted pivot]

I take the CDR and str/crit for my chemist and rampage builds thiugh

But melee CDR for rampage, pure CDR for chemist

Love rending on my desperado

[final temple]

pointless. you have talents on the tree that far outweigh what that node could ever offer as TDR. entire top left branch needs a rework.

[zenith fern]

Remove coherency toughness regain smh

My preferred stimm build with it's cooldown is also usually about 40s or less too

[final temple]

top left should be reworked into some form of medkit adjacent use case. base nodes should be TDR, branches should be health regen per melee, per ranged or general health regen.

not enough to trivialize health but worthwhile to avoid getting downed

[main trellis]

Not to mention chem fortified gives your stimm 50% toughness refill on use AND 5% tdr per stack… smth like that should be on that branch…

[main trellis]

Chem fortified from chem demp keystone

[final temple]

I was more thinking about solving the issue with medstimms. make it a worse alternative but an option to amp up the survivability

[muted pivot]

Maybe other support stuff like revive speed or interaction speed too

Invulnerability while interacting lmao

Or with auspex out etc

[final temple]

that’s what stun immunity is for, no?

[muted pivot]

Which is on the attack speed path iirc?

[fast surge]

Put pickpocket on the top left branch, so it can't be active all the time, and you could give it to teammates with stim crate

Actually Giga brain

[final temple]

‘I can only loot my enemies when I am so high, I can sniff the Emperor’s buttcheeks’

[fast surge]

I think it would be too hard for people to not take though, so more balancing would need to be done

[final temple]

Pickpocket is likely going to stay as the thing scum gets to ignore. like grenade regen on vet.

[zenith pagoda]

I want to keep the autogun spam

https://tenor.com/view/rambo-first-blood-gif-23989356

[ebon kelp]

Would anyone have any insight into this? Testing in the Psykhanium because Kuli's guide said Cheap Shots works with "(2) a revved up chain weapon", but only the Chainaxe XII's rip heavy attacks got the bonus damage while the IV's rip lights didn't. The Hammer of the Emperor guide has both attack stagger profiles with the same info "melee + sticky (complicated)", so I wasnt sure if the Psykhanium is the issue or if the stagger is different enough to not activate the talent for the mk IV while it does for the mk XII.

[main trellis]

OR allow HS to consume laying about stimms with an option just like medcrates & ammo crates you can give tobothers by pressing certain buttons…
That would solve the major problem of HS not being able to grab a smol syringe & healing his/her wound via medstimm

[low harbor]

the important bit here is the stagger breakpoint

I have major stagger breakpoints listed for all vet/zealot melee weapons

if it doesn't put enemy into a stagger state, cheap shots does nothing

[astral canyon]

what about expensive shot

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/779196945448304640/1364708570355990538/togif.gif

9mm vs .45

[nova valley]

[main trellis]

If its possible; do note that Thrust achieves stagger breakpoint for crushers that differ between the marks

[low harbor]

Only thing it changes is crusher I think

[main trellis]

Yes; its important tho for both marks but mainly for 12

[bronze glade]

why does cheap shots exist

purely for blinders? lmfao

[main trellis]

So you could question it

[low harbor]

Crowbar, chain weapons, blackout, etc
But it’s not great

It’s not a big enough damage bonus and has really harsh activation condition

[pulsar aspen]

@bronze glade Because otherwise those shots would be.. expensive.

[bronze glade]

at least it's safely out of the way

so i can always skip it

[dim moth]

juust make it skullcrusher but only for you and have it be 80%

this will totally be balanced I promise

[low harbor]

noe

[dim moth]

but think of the +80% chem tox damage into monstrosities

think of the potential

arbites got to have their dog one shot everything it touched for like a few days

surely scum deserves something similar

[near mauve]

yeah its called needle pistol

[low harbor]

noe

[astral canyon]

yoe

[zealous ravine]

imagine if bonesaw was real

[bronze glade]

i dun wanna

[zealous ravine]

lol

[willow violet]

whats the deal with crowbar

is it usable?

also any of the range weapons which works on scum as an extra?

[lilac ermine]

Is havoc rotten armor able to do solo I havent win yet 2 tries

[willow violet]

shotguns/autoguns

[reef spoke]

Its usable but it's just not as good as something like Rashad

[zealous ravine]

crowbar is ok

i'd recommend blackout so its a bit easier to use crowbar special

[vapid jungle]

Crowbar is definitely usable i love it with rampage

[karmic summit]

where can I find this is this a website?

[unique spire]

Theres a steam guide for Hive Scum with this

Let me try to find the link

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3586590987

[karmic summit]

Thank you bro

[fervent flint]

tried to use the dual autos again after trying IAG, just didnt feel the oomph

[limber cradle]

What blessings do you run

[low harbor]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3367063781

[fervent flint]

Blaze and Pin

i just meant it dont feel powerful even though it is

[vapid jungle]

You playing desperado vulture?

[fervent flint]

ye

[vapid jungle]

That should feel pretty powerful.

Youre zooming deleting anything that isnt carapace or monstrosity

[limber cradle]

Ig

If you don't like em you dont like em

[fervent flint]

is mobility the dump stat for every desperado guns?

[limber cradle]

Ammo on vraks cause it only loses 2 rounds in a mag and 22 outta reserve iirc, I dump collat on DAPs cause it doesn't seem to matter at all.

[tranquil fjord]

plasma gunner stagger breakpoint for pinning fire?

[bronze glade]

Depends

Sometimes it’s collateral

[fervent flint]

oh i did mob on vraks 🙁

[limber cradle]

It's still fine fwiw

[fervent flint]

would combat knife be better than shiv for Single target

and bit of horde clear if given the chance

[dim moth]

yes single target, much worse at horde

[limber cradle]

Tbh I will never use knife over shivs because the shiv special is good dopamine production

I love hitting far away snipers with that shit

[muted pivot]

throwing shivs are nuts, honestly

shivs feels like ds4 with an op ranged attack

[bronze glade]

It’s peak

[willow violet]

idk why is it good that htey powercreep stuff like this

the zealot blitz on top of shivs is completely unneeded imo

[limber cradle]

Look

I agree with you

Shiv special is literally zealot knife++

But goddamn if it isn't fun

Every zealot blitz has been powercrept tho

Arb shield special is better stun nade, scum shiv is better knife, scum chem pool nade is better immo

Every zealot blitz should be looked at and tweaked cause I doubt they'll retroactively remove them from weapon specials

[tranquil fjord]

chem nade is so much better than inferno nade

and you get another nade too

[bronze glade]

I don’t see much of a reason to play zealot anymore

Maybe I’ll try fatmangus memes

But I’ve always been a Marty enjoyer

[limber cradle]

Only reason that matters

For fun

Also they one shot bosses still which might be a gimmick but it's a pretty fucking good one when there's 5 bosses every 3 minutes in Havoc

[brittle sierra]

Zealot is extremely strong elite killer

[bronze glade]

I know zealot can still be strong

I just don’t feel the need to play it

Over other classes

[fresh brook]

stim pistol is the worst weapon ever made and whichever dev at fatshark came up with it + the pickpocket combo needs to be retired

[woeful hill]

Like it can't even 1 shot a dog

Needs a little infested buff

[fresh brook]

Id rather the overall damage got nerfed if the per-tick damage got buffed

[woeful hill]

So ticks do more damage but last shorter?

[fresh brook]

Veteran I played with in havoc 40 rotten armor brought shredder nades, okay, so useless, but fine. He also kept last tapping every crusher once it got low before the poison ticked it for ammo

[fresh brook]

yes

[woeful hill]

Hmmm I see your point but it's not that against the idea of a needler idea?

[fresh brook]

or just nerf everything and make it so the pickpocket gives ammo if something with poison dies to anything

[woeful hill]

You inject them with a toxin and after a bit they fall over

If you wanted faster results auto guns exists

[fresh brook]

Yea well I hate the needler idea and I hate the rotten armor idea too

[dim moth]

shredders are still useful in rotten armor they're just worse than kraks

[woeful hill]

Bullets are faster then drugs

[dim moth]

also yeah that's a god fucking awful idea

[woeful hill]

Queue heavy from TF2 intro

[dim moth]

the entire downside of the needle pistol is that it does a shit ton of damage it's just slow

[trim wind]

Drug gun is still like, really good?

[woeful hill]

No one can outsmart bullet

[dim moth]

and by entire I mean only downside

borderline infinite ammo even before pickpocket

absurd damage into all health types

[fresh brook]

no the entire downside of the needle pistol is that it gets everything just low enough for someone else to make it so you dont get pickpocket

[dim moth]

so stop wasting a talent point on pickpocket and use your melee weapon

[mental igloo]

go find something else to kill in h40 for your free ammo idk

[trim wind]

Or you melee for your pickpocket

[woeful hill]

Target priority mix up? This is what I am understanding

[dim moth]

yeah this sounds like somebody upset they're not being allowed to just mindlessly shoot everything

because they have bad target priority

[echo python]

There should be high enough target density to get at least 1 kill, I think?

[fresh brook]

There is a rather large difference between wanting to mindlesslely shoot things and not wanting a weapon with most of its power gated behind cooperation from teammates not being aware of its quirky mechanics. You sound like you just want to get off on being smug though

[echo python]

Idk, I've never had this issue when using the needle pistol. Just pump enough darts into something and it's nearly instantly dead anyway

[trim wind]

Needle pistol is very strong but is a "gonna kill this in a lil bit" gun, great backup but not a main weapon

[woeful hill]

Until it is....

[echo python]

Two darts into a shotgunner head and it's dead in less than a second, feels like

[mighty belfry]

This is kind of extreme.

And also "worst weapon ever made" is uh

A bold take given what it's capable of.

[fresh brook]

Worst referring to game mechanics, not what its capable of in terms of power. Its not good to have a weapon thats that easy to use, does that much damage, with potentially infinite ammo, all counter-balanced by just being annoying in a team setting

[tranquil fjord]

have you tried meleeing an enemy

[mighty belfry]

I think it's just fine that it's a DoT weapon lmao

[tranquil fjord]

that would secure the pickpocket proc

[astral canyon]

have you tried shooting more needles

[mighty belfry]

But regardless of that even

Saying a dev should be retired for that is

[astral canyon]

actually have you tried turning it off and on again

[mighty belfry]

Kinda cringe if I'll be frank.

No actually it's just full on cringe

[astral canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-fi-rush-cat-808-nodding-agreed-gif-27498743

[fresh brook]

Oh no, the broken gun enjoyers found the anti-broken gun take cringe

[mighty belfry]

No I'm saying you saying someone's livelihood should be taken away because of what is virtually a non-issue is cringe.

Completely different take.

[limber cradle]

I dislike needler and I still don't think someone should be fired over it fwiw

[fresh brook]

For clarity, that was hyperbole.

[astral canyon]

pretty shitty hyperbole

[mighty belfry]

Yep.

[fresh brook]

Pretty shitty reading comprehension on your part

[mighty belfry]

What else is there to read? That is verbatim what you said.

[limber cradle]

Tbh I just assume people are stupid atp, so when you say something stupid i assume you mean it.

[astral canyon]

how the fuck would i know otherwise

you just said "i think they should be fired"

[fresh brook]

By exercisng common sense, which I suppose was expecting too much

[astral canyon]

how am i supposed to know thats hyperbole

[mighty belfry]

Like there's no indication that anything you said was hyperbolic.

[astral canyon]

except ive seen people saying that shit unironically

like pro tip

[fresh brook]

You probably haven't

[astral canyon]

if you want people to know that youre not being literal on the internet

the best way is to explicitly say youre not being literal

[mighty belfry]

Like understand you're in a public chat filled with various different people with different takes. People have said devs should be fired for stupid shit on this server before.

[limber cradle]

You gotta be more ridiculous sounding than "fire this guy"

[final temple]

not even remembering the correct name of the weapon you want to rant about heavily implies a kneejerk reaction. Are you sure that is how you want to be perceived during this discussion?

[mighty belfry]

Completely unironically.

[fresh brook]

Yes. And Ill put money on it being nerfed on just these grounds within the next 2 patches so its not at all clear why Id have to care about how Im perceived in a discussion with people going out of their way to misunderstand things in the meantime

[limber cradle]

I mean.

Simply say what you actually mean.

[verbal dew]

you can just take the L

[limber cradle]

All this sounds like to me is backpedaling cause people told you what you said was dumb.

[fresh brook]

Sure, 'Worst referring to game mechanics, not what its capable of in terms of power. Its not good to have a weapon thats that easy to use, does that much damage, with potentially infinite ammo, all counter-balanced by just being annoying in a team setting'

[crude dagger]

DRUGS!!!

[astral canyon]

there we go

[limber cradle]

Was this so hard?

[fresh brook]

No, was it so hard to read it the first time I said it instead of asking for it again?

[final temple]

While FS may be prone to rash solutions sometimes, I have not perceived them being victim to listening to unqualified hyperboles. In general I recommend less vitriol when giving feedback.

[limber cradle]

Hard to read, no. Hard to take at anything but face value? Yes.

Satire and irony are dead in the face of modern stupidity.

Especially when the people you're talking to do not know how you speak commonly.

[fresh brook]

If you think any part of that statement could even remotely admit satire or irony you only need to find a mirror to find that modern stupidity you're referring to.

[mighty belfry]

Were you here during the Hive Scum announcement?

[limber cradle]

Yk for a guy with a Buddha statue pfp you're remarkably unchill.

[crude dagger]

I was about to say

[tranquil fjord]

would you hide your criticism through smoke and mirrors and then be frustrated when your criticism isnt well met

[mighty belfry]

If you were, you'd understand why that may not sound as satirical as you think it does.

[tranquil fjord]

it lacks any constructive measure

[crude dagger]

What even is the discussion about

I don't understand a slick of what I'm reading

[limber cradle]

Guys mad we told him to say what he means instead of inflammatory and grandiose statements.

[fresh brook]

"Smoke and mirrors" meaning a single off-hand comment and then a series of straightforward takes, sure, okay

[crude dagger]

Before that, i got that much

[final temple]

as far as I can decipher it, slick here is mad that the needler is good.

[crude dagger]

Crazy

[limber cradle]

Oh, needler op basically.

[mighty belfry]

Okay no. I get what they're getting at.

[crude dagger]

Needler is OP

It's fun

[final temple]

I think we are entitled to some bad faith hyperbole to drive the point home 😉

[mighty belfry]

And I do think they have the right to think needler is badly designed. I personally don't but, different strokes for different folks.

[mighty belfry]

...fair

[fresh brook]

If thats as far as you can decipher you need to have a conversation with your gradeschool english teachers because theyve failed you. This is not hyperbole. Email them now.

[final temple]

what was that about reading comprehension?

you see how useless it is to try and communicate like that?

[fresh brook]

No

[limber cradle]

No, I'm gonna dig my heels in and pretend I'm right.

[final temple]

ah. well. we pouting now.

[crude dagger]

Big words doesn't mean you're smart

[limber cradle]

They have been the whole time.

[mighty belfry]

But yeah the main thing is, saying something that just feels solely malicious towards Fatshark without any indication of hyperbole when this chat had seen a fair share of unjustified malice towards them, naturally, won't be received so well.

[crude dagger]

I just re-jooned the server and I'm already blocking someone

Grand time

[fresh brook]

I certainly am, and Ill put money on it too for anyone that wants to take the opposite side.

[limber cradle]

Yk what

Needler is fair and balanced with pickpocket

Entirely because it pisses this guy off.

[fresh brook]

Excellent. $100 USDC that neither get touched in the next 2 patches?

[limber cradle]

I would not be shocked if they aren't or if they are it's light nerfs at best.

[fresh brook]

No, you guys are so right that theyre really fair and balanced and excellent game design. Youre so right that you should put money it

Or have you just been arguing in bad faith to be annoying all this time? Surely not?

[mighty belfry]

I didn't think the Buddha could be so sassy.

[astral canyon]

can you go back to reddit or something

[final temple]

https://tenor.com/view/snickers-snicker-candy-chocolate-chocolate-bar-gif-5270232

[limber cradle]

No one said it's balanced, we just said calling for someone to be fired is wild behavior.

[crude dagger]

Last i recall needle gun isn't annoying too play with

[limber cradle]

No one would continue this line of logic if you just went "yeah that's right" instead of digging your heels in.

Most people here agree tox is kinda stupid as a DoT

[crude dagger]

The fact that i can kill a pleague ogryn in 3 shots on heresey with a rocket launcher and somehow needle gun is the problem here

[woeful hill]

That's heresy

See what I did there

[limber cradle]

The rocket launcher is insane but for other reasons tbh.

[woeful hill]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/786208719200583710/1458483379686080532/wawawawawawawawawawawawawawa_bnuy.gif

[crude dagger]

+1 to blitz charges

And it only takes 4 shots on the next up from heresy

[limber cradle]

Nah like the rocket will clear an entire H40 rot armor patrol in a rocket with the tox nades node.

[vapid jungle]

Needle gun requires way fewer resources to kill a plagueryn

[crude dagger]

Just as god emperor intended

[final temple]

I think bonesaw should be removed cause it gives toxin stacks without using ammo OR blitz charges.

[crude dagger]

Criminals > the lawbringer

[vapid jungle]

This guy gets it.

[crude dagger]

Wee should remove the stimm lab, cause it gives free buffs without consequence

[vapid jungle]

This place is a false equivalency hellhole sometimes

[final temple]

wdym without consequence? I am loosing my teeth and my cartilage has liquified.

[mighty belfry]

I never run pocket toxin with rockets. Does it really affect things that much?

[crude dagger]

I don't see the problem if something is OP if it's fun. What's annoying is getting nerfed into oblivion and making h40 unplayable like its helldivers 2

[dim moth]

doesn't kill crushers without it

[dim moth]

helldivers 2 was never unplayable on the highest difficulties if you were actually good at the game :/

[mighty belfry]

Fair. But I usually have a red stimm on standby when I'm about to shoot a rocket.

[crude dagger]

Like i have the time and energy to learn the esoteric mechsnics.i just wanna blow shit up

[dim moth]

then you can

on a lower difficulty

[mighty belfry]

Power creep

[final temple]

but kaaaaaaaarl, being good at games makes me win games!

[vapid jungle]

There's some low barrier of entry tech in this game that feels nice.

[crude dagger]

I bust copy a random build that looks fun and it works

Mechanical skill and knowledge goes farther for me in this game

[limber cradle]

Need it to one rocket the RA Crushers on H40

[main trellis]

Str stimm is better than tox nade talent for it

[limber cradle]

Does Str stimm make it one shot them?

[main trellis]

Yes

[limber cradle]

I assume rending?

[main trellis]

From 100% to 0%

[crude dagger]

Stimm makes me feel good

[main trellis]

I use only rending but rockets have already adm above 1 vs carapace so it does not make a difference

[crude dagger]

I had a trapper actually shoot me mid stimm and it consumed the stimm and didn't give me the effects

I promptly got beat to death by a crusher

Always being 1shot away from death as hive scum is crazy

Totally different game then playing judge dredd wanna be

[limber cradle]

Oh, you literally just need the strength effect, gotcha

[vapid jungle]

Doesn't overcapped adm equate to damage at a reduced rate?

[main trellis]

A very much reduced dmg yes

[crude dagger]

Dps is damage mitigation

I can't die when the thing I'm looking at is already dead

[astral canyon]

Imagine if boom could crit

[main trellis]

Same for smite

[astral canyon]

Fuck smite

[crude dagger]

If smite could crit, inferno spyker would be outclassed

[main trellis]

Tbh tho; crit on boom would not make much of a difference outside boss dmg

[main trellis]

Still is by it if you know what good smiker can do

[vapid jungle]

Yah gross overkill

[crude dagger]

Only problem is people will disconnect from your lobby playing smite

It's actually annoying

[main trellis]

Not on havoc
Unless you mean crash then unfortunate; earn more & get a better machne/lower your settings/don’t run things in the background

[crude dagger]

I'm not a havoc player

So i get regular disconnects when i choose to smite

[main trellis]

Poor sods

[mighty belfry]

Ye. Been running finesse stimm on my rampage build

If I need the rocket to kill, I just take that and shoot.

[crude dagger]

They're not crashing, just straight up evading

[mighty belfry]

Works everytime.

[eager zephyr]

what’s your guys go to build for havoc so far?

I’ve been enjoying stim box needle pistol

[mighty belfry]

I've been running bleed shiv rampage with needler.

Blackouts or rockets usually

[crude dagger]

I like shiv

[eager zephyr]

I love shivs so much they feel great to use

meta aside

[eager zephyr]

[crude dagger]

RPing as your average london criminal is fun

[eager zephyr]

tree drop?

[crude dagger]

Dual autogun is awesome to

Wish the mags were deeper

[limber cradle]

Rampage+chem dependency shivs/taxe but that's more when havoc worked right

I kinda trailed off playing when I got sick of rot armor/now the game crashes cause modifiers lol

[crude dagger]

I love the glass Canon archetype hive scum is

Not sure why people are so mad about it being hard to play

[vapid jungle]

Its hard if you arent good at core mechanics. Leveling was a pain pre tree change because of the limited toughness regeneration but that's better now too.

[crude dagger]

It seems like a fair trade off though

Like you are the weakest class with the most damage, you are the dps

[bronze glade]

And you don’t even need to build it as a glass cannon

[crude dagger]

It sums fair to bee challenged

It's spyker, but on hard mode

Or zealot ig, but i don't play zealot

[main trellis]

Spyker

[crude dagger]

Spyker taught me to evade

Hive scum is making me Master it

[keen timber]

You don’t stab nearly enough people to be a Londoner

Also, it’s not London criminals it’s average London citizen

[crude dagger]

You don't beleive me?

I main shiv

All i do is stab

[keen timber]

Bruv. I main London.

[crude dagger]

In fact I'm glad friendly fire isn't a thing cause I've stabbed my own teammates the amount of times I've pressed R2 around a corner

[keen timber]

Hav40 hive scum is like walking to work

[crude dagger]

Fair enough

I don't even live in the UK

Stabbing for me is more like a prison shank

[mighty belfry]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0d65a9c-1a4f-4927-ade4-3b122c82463a/rot-killer-2

[fast prawn]

le scumme au chocolat

[mighty belfry]

Can switch sweet spot for forge's bellow if you really want the rampage shout but Sweet Spot actually does matter a lot for this setup

[crude dagger]

Magos homosexualis?

[mighty belfry]

I was trying this without hypercrit but honestly, I can't wait for bleed to kill muties sometimes and it helps to have it on rampage cooldown so

[crude dagger]

I hate muties

I get to many randos that somehow don't hear the ear deafening roar and then i find myself being thrown across the map

[mighty belfry]

This is what I've been taking to rotten armor. Muties are particularly annoying there.

[fast prawn]

im too worried about the stealth burster I can see neandering through a horde but cant hear

[sinful matrix]

These jokes hit less hard these days 😔

[crude dagger]

Pox burster is worse with randos

[sinful matrix]

It was funnier when America wasn't falling apart at the seams.

[astral canyon]

Enginseer gaysex

[crude dagger]

I love gex

Me and the boys in the astra militarum kissing the homies goodnight with no socks on

[crude dagger]

Hive scum was such a weird pick for DLC2. Like coming from arbites is like night and day

It makes sense for darktide, but the mechanicus was right there

[main trellis]

Might aswell not run battering; 50% cleave ain’t doing much if you stay in rampage all the time
Always take forges - make your weakest point manageable

[main trellis]

You just like being manhandled don’t ya?

[pallid quail]

[crude dagger]

Maybe

[vapid jungle]

People were bummed but the class is good. I just hope they are able to support each class with weapons regularly since they are already kind of struggling with that.

[crude dagger]

I want a sister of battle

They're so badass

[zealous ravine]

i think that was the point actually

[crude dagger]

Maybe

Still weird

[zealous ravine]

law and crime

lmao

next class is likely to actually be admech though

[mighty belfry]

It's kinda why I usually run rockets.

[crude dagger]

Like it's weirder still that hive scum don't have a opening cutscene like arbited, or backstory options

[main trellis]

I run RPG too

[zealous ravine]

they got a cutscene tho

[main trellis]

And forges

Cause using rockets for bosses is ok but not desirable

[crude dagger]

They do? Arbites has that whole "you have failed us" thing with rannick

[zealous ravine]

yeah did u c the one where zola calls them

[crude dagger]

I didn't get a cutscene with scum

[bronze glade]

It’s prob the next one

[zealous ravine]

mayb i can find it on youtube

[zenith fern]

They have a prologue

You might have skipped by accident

[crude dagger]

No, i played the prolouge, took me straight to the mourningstar with sefoni

[zealous ravine]

https://youtu.be/b-fvoRa4CK0

first one in this

[zenith fern]

It quite a banger prologue scene with exception Zola terrible face expression

[tropic crag]

they do, it shows them getting recruited in the cutscene, then it dumps you in the morning star

[zenith fern]

Idk why they made her look like that

[zealous ravine]

its definitely better than the trailer lol

[mighty belfry]

Who said I was using rockets for bosses?

It's all about the rotten hordes.

[crude dagger]

The game mustve skipped it on me

I didn't see it

[main trellis]

Ah just put it there don’t worry

[zenith fern]

People say that this should have been the reveal trailer when the darktide reveal class trailers usually never use prologue, story scenes

[tropic crag]

could be, its not like you missed anything crazy and at least you can watch it now lol

[zealous ravine]

missed zola malding

[main trellis]

To me it looked like rockets were somewhat subsidizing for forges stagger

[crude dagger]

The trailer wasn't as good as arbited

[tropic crag]

thats like zolas default state, she's either flustered or malding or both

[zealous ravine]

zola gotta lock in

[restive frost]

is da bone saw better than shivs

🤔

[zealous ravine]

nope

the shivs are crazy good

[main trellis]

Shes half bald; i would be (b)malding too

[restive frost]

yea figured

[main trellis]

[mighty belfry]

That being said. I usually use rampage and then stimm up in my downtime to compensate for the rampage downside

[crude dagger]

Its only the best best weapon in the game

[restive frost]

seen buncha ppl run around with em was wondering if they changed

[tropic crag]

from a peak meta standpoint... no... but the bonesaw is good enough to thrive in havoc so its 100% good enough

[mighty belfry]

So I might consider dropping battering since I already have extra cleave most of the time anyway.

[main trellis]

Get forges & its 👌

[restive frost]

think ima try get a good bone saw and try it any gud builds 4it?

[tropic crag]

i like rampage with bonesaw myself

but it can work with box builds also

[crude dagger]

I will die on my hill that bone saw is the best weapon in the class

[main trellis]

Thats no hill thats a mound

[zenith fern]

It an interesting concept for a weapon too

[main trellis]

Jk

[tropic crag]

its very good, its in second tier with like... almost every other weapon .... but like looking at numbers even in practical use in a game... shivs are just silly with the only down side being carpal tunnel

[restive frost]

rampage feel better to use over box

[tropic crag]

with saw 100%, i like box/chem dep with a few weapons at least

mostly chainaxe and chainsword

[crude dagger]

Bone saw just gets around a gimmick with the toxin stacks

It's nice

At least that's what I'm told

I still need to level my bonesaw and actually read its abilities

I've been running shiv+dual autoguns for the longest while so i haven't gotten around to actually learning other weapons

[tropic crag]

the tox stacks are good, the brittle coating is even good but a bit clunky to swap to and you can just use tox if you want.... the heavy latch attack is a killer when you can get it to land

but honestly with the two main bonesaw setups (rampage and box) you tend to do alot of killing with the saw itself and hyperviolence

and not rely that much on the tox damage

[crude dagger]

I intend to pair the saw with needle gun

Hence the toxin stacks

[tropic crag]

yeah they pair well and the tox will kill things good even if you aren't soley relying on it lol

myself i either run needle gun or bolt pistol but thats because i have a fondness for the bolt pistol

[crude dagger]

My drugs are to good to not share with my enemies

[tropic crag]

[crude dagger]

Bolt pistol is always fun

I enjoy the spearhead bolt pistol the most

Going full auto with it on arbites and melting a health bar never gets old

[tropic crag]

man i should play some arby today its been a bit

need to get my arby maul fix

[crude dagger]

Speaking of, which arby voice shouts the codes for enemies?

[tropic crag]

i earnestly can't remember, i use the more weasly sounding voice

i don't think the male one does that

[crude dagger]

It does

But it's on a certain set of elites

Generic voice lines like that don't change between genders

[nova valley]

Arby is boring, imho. At least, after playing Hivescum, I realised how boring/easy arbiter is

[crude dagger]

Arby personally is still fun asf

[tropic crag]

i like at least one weapon or playstyle on all the classes except for zealot, they are the only ones i find truly boring

arby has the arby shock maul and that weapon is just unique and fun so i play arby mostly for that

also crusher

[vapid jungle]

You have the worst opinions

[crude dagger]

I enjoy every class, but arby and hive scum are by far the most fun for me

[tropic crag]

lol whats funnier is that i thought the zealot was going to be my main so its named wingnutmcmoomoo, but i never play him, he just sits there being unplayed. I mained oggy for a while but really i just play everything... scum will probably sit beside oggy as one of my most played

but thats because scum is just new age slayer

[crude dagger]

Calling an opinion bad is stupid

[sinful matrix]

Ogryn 💪

Best class

[crude dagger]

It's more fun if you like simple gameplay. Mostly cause you really can't go wrong

Not like spyker or hivescum where every decision counts

Zealot for me is for when i really don't want to think

[fast prawn]

Scum is scum

Its fun beating a mission by just holding the trigger

[crude dagger]

That's zealot for me

I can just grab zealot, beat everything to death with a relic sword, leave

[tropic crag]

I just don't find any of zealots build choices to lead to anything fun. And I used to play some zealot to play with the crusher but now arby also has the crusher so I just play it there

[final temple]

arby is amazing to just turn off your head and be a pig.

[final temple]

have you tried fatmangus?

[tropic crag]

Lol probably not but probably wouldn't like it still

[crude dagger]

Arby is easy, but engaging enough to enjoy hours on end

[final temple]

it is the most magical of zealot builds.

[fast prawn]

Daemonhost thammer zealot #22100008 on his way to leave the game after he wasnt allowed to kill the DH

[tropic crag]

I also play only lone wolf arby when I do play arby

[zenith pagoda]

Why is precog nerfed on shivs too

[crude dagger]

"That's slander, take that back" -zealot

[leaden fable]

Lol why would they leave, they can just kill the next one

[mighty belfry]

If a thammer zealot needs to be allowed to kill a daemonhost, they're most likely not good at doing that.

A good thammer zealot will just do it in one shot without a thought from their teammates lol

[astral canyon]

i still want a gif of the hive scum using the missile launcher at 1:05

[dim moth]

couldn't you just make one

[dim moth]

lights out shroudfield zealot

I just don't say anything I hear the daemonhost and I go bonk it immediately

[main trellis]

A proper meme that build

[eager zephyr]

You run hype violence and hype crit?

[south vortex]

Got a question regarding the speedster penance

I have all my stim stats in attack speed and toughness, however it seems progress is very slow.

[lilac ermine]

My game crashed in havic 40 and I lost a havic rank

Everyone in my team crashed

[south vortex]

that is very unfortunate.

[idle ocean]

Fellas what’s the move on the tac axe mark and blessing wise?

[lilac ermine]

Then he said he was going to gym and left

[main trellis]

You can’t lose a rank once you hit h40

[idle ocean]

Bro caught fibbin’

[lilac ermine]

I was 39 but I rounded

[ocean hollow]

LOL

[dim moth]

as if a gamer would ever workout

[lilac ermine]

It wouldnt let any of us play unles I cancel ongoing match

[ocean hollow]

ROFL

[main trellis]

Unfortunate; trully

[lilac ermine]

So I cancelled it and went to 38

[ocean hollow]

NAH THAT'S TOO FUNNY

I WAS 39 BUT I ROUNDED

[tropic crag]

gym bros are unironically just luddite gamers

[lilac ermine]

And they told me that the modifier final toil makes and brain burst makes you crash

[dim moth]

didn't work did it

[lilac ermine]

But I didnt believe them

[tropic crag]

lol yeah theres a bug atm where a combo will crash the game

[lilac ermine]

Its that combo by the way

I need a refund

[tropic crag]

lol yeah, the bug started during the FS vacay time so like... its gonna be another week or something for it to fix

maybe more maybe less

[frigid wyvern]

I need to take a shit

[astral canyon]

too lazy

[ocean hollow]

Bro rounded to 40

I think I need to sleep

I find it too funny

I literally almost pissed myself

[main trellis]

Foolishness knows no rounds
Get it? Cause it rounds up
Like that havoc

[trim wind]

I'm 30 going on 40, lost a rank to the void shield bug i want a refund

[idle ocean]

Tac axe is ass

Idk how y’all like ts

[tropic crag]

its very good, just very boring

so most people who like it like the fact that its just easy access to power (and some weirdos actually like 1h axes in tide games )

[main trellis]

Poor craftsman blames their tools

I’m not a spectacular fan on taxe myself but i acknowledge it’s potential

[dim moth]

tac axe is not the boring one

tac axe is the fun one

combat axe is lame as shit

[tropic crag]

ALL 1h axes in tide games are boring

[dim moth]

I miss vermintide axe that was peak axe gameplay

[low harbor]

Both are fun

[main trellis]

Same cake; different flavour
I prefer jelly beans

[dim moth]

this mf doesn't like cake

[tropic crag]

if i'd call it a hatchet in real life then its boring, thats just the rules i'm sorry, game straight from John Darktide at GW HQ

[tropic crag]

1h hammer was the fun axe of vt2

i do like greataxes tho, greataxes can stay

[main trellis]

Tfw no cleave push att spam fest cause you get easily overwhelmed