hivescum-class

[dire badge]

nahhhh that iant it chief

[keen timber]

yes it literally is

adren is for high damage weapons like caxe

[low harbor]

yes but with hyperviolence, not hypercrit
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1453190093174214798/58966B1.MP4?ex=694c8c3d&is=694b3abd&hm=87b928e4571ffc7dce3ab7f7d82e35d46bf3db540b3053197b3c5e0df72512c4&

[dire badge]

you're telling me chem dep over adreneline on a melee build

[keen timber]

And chem dep is for the crit focused weapons

yes

[dire badge]

thats just all wrong

[keen timber]

no

it isnt

lol

u go for the crit because shivs are a crit focused weapon

you want to ramp ur crit up

u can see the crit multipliers

[dire badge]

the adreneline makes you have way more attacks per m giving more chances to crit AND more dmg smae time

[keen timber]

adren is 10% atkspd on a class that already gets so much atkspd

[tranquil fjord]

the buffs which adrenaline frenzy brings are not that noticeable on some weapons, where about it would be more beneficial to take chem dependency

[keen timber]

diminishing retrurns

is not worth it

[keen timber]

yeah this

u already have swift endurance

and rampage

on a weapon that already has a naturally high swing spd

[tranquil fjord]

i dont think the shivs need cleave buffs

[keen timber]

they dont

[tranquil fjord]

they already swing fast enough for horde clear, especially with rampage

[keen timber]

yep exactly

[tranquil fjord]

and the needler's alt is also an option

[keen timber]

rampage also has a cleave boost on it, itself

I'm not sure if the shivs themselves have a cleave cap, but id assume so

[dire badge]

but cleavei s jackshit which is why you need rampage and the cleaven ode

[tranquil fjord]

i wouldnt recommend the cleave on the three enemies hit

the cleave on kill talent is fine

[tranquil fjord]

it drops off because its hard to hit more than three enemies

[keen timber]

ur wasting SO much value on cleave

that u simply dont need

because ur not actually boosting it by a meaningful amount

like congrats u can hit an extra poxwalker

huge!

u could also just do more damage and kill the ones u do hit faster

[dire badge]

even if i removed them going ll the way back and putting pointsj ut for chem dep is wack

[keen timber]

no it isnt

[tranquil fjord]

most builds spec into that side of the tree anyways for sample collector

which boosts the uptime of stimms dramatically

[keen timber]

yeah

sample collector is so huge

[tranquil fjord]

also an extra blitz charge

which, mathematically, makes the return of blitzes much better

especially with the already great blitzes of hive scum

33% increase in blitz capacity and returns on refill

[rough peak]

Finding at least halfway competent teams really makes darktide a lot more fun for me. It gets stressful having to carry

that 6% attack speed actually was doing some work with the rashad in the mission I just did. I didn't really feel the increase, but, I noticed the increase over the course of the run

I still kinda missed having over 200 toughness >.>

[vapid jungle]

I actually enjoy the feeling of being a lynchpin with people outside their depth

I feel like the game pushes you towards perfection and the closer you get the less you rely on your teammates and the more self critical you become.

[lilac ermine]

Is anyone know if extra attack speed talent is for current stamina or max stamina

[vapid jungle]

In a non-toxic way

[lilac ermine]

Some builds is less reliant on teammates but also gets your team killed more

[bronze glade]

current

it drops based on stamina consumed

[lilac ermine]

Aw ok so kind of makes being exhausted even worse

[bronze glade]

not a big deal

still a really strong talentg

and you can take stam on dodge talent to mitigate

[vapid jungle]

You regen stamina faster than any other class

So it has high uptime/stacks

[lilac ermine]

Is stamina regen curio perk worth

[vapid jungle]

Prolly overkill

[lilac ermine]

Cause it says at end of rampage 75% less stamina regen

I have 15% toughness, 12% revive, and 15% gunner resist rn

[bronze glade]

i take 2 iirc

[vapid jungle]

I think that's more of a comfort decision

[lilac ermine]

The revive really helps

[vapid jungle]

Do you feel starved after rampage ends? Are you dying due to the inability to block/sprint? Then take them.

[lilac ermine]

I have the stamina on dodge talent now for it

When I took it off it was felt bad to be exhausted

[vapid jungle]

Yea I would keep stamina on dodge

[bronze glade]

makes a big difference

esp when you're running a 9 stam build

because your attack speed and dps output is one of your main sources of protection

[vapid jungle]

9 stamina jesus

[vapid jungle]

I don't run it don't have stamina issues with +4

[bronze glade]

it'

it's a bit silly

[lilac ermine]

Is the knives cap attack speed

[bronze glade]

idk, if there's a cap, it's hard to tell

[lilac ermine]

I dont have the 9 stamina but feel just like that fast swinging

When I have rampage

[bronze glade]

nah it def goes faster when you have 9 stam

[lilac ermine]

👍

[keen timber]

well

i can honestly say that

with a str + rending stim and rampage active

shivs feel absolutely absurdly strong in terms of raw power

and I don't really like them very much

[bronze glade]

shivs are really good

[light phoenix]

Strange how shivs to me feel like they have good stats but weak blessings

Like Uncanny Strike feels weaker on them than standard Knife

[flint granite]

That's because it is

[keen timber]

because it is

[bronze glade]

(nerfed uncanny strikes is still stupidly strong)

[keen timber]

yeah

[low harbor]

Shivs are easily top 2 best melee on hvs

[vast yoke]

all about them shivs, cknife, caxe and taxe tbh

although rampage saw is kinda comfy even though i don't think it's S tier

[upbeat gyro]

Whats the other then?

[muted pivot]

Still hits full damage on carapace headshots with 5 stacks right?

And our DoT is 0.9 scaling on carapace by default anyway

So chem is always bonkers

[bronze glade]

On heavies? Should be more than full damage

Idk about lights

[dire badge]

on melee build with shivs and rampage do u guys think adreneline or chem dep is better

[muted pivot]

Adrenaline is definitely more fun imo, idk about better

But it's easy to get full uptime on it

[keen timber]

saw is like a C tier weapoon at best

[muted pivot]

Attack speed is best stat

[keen timber]

chem dep

the crit matters more

[low harbor]

combat axe mk3 is the best hvs melee

[muted pivot]

Think both options are good anyway

[keen timber]

u already have so much attack speed with stam curios and swift endurance

[upbeat gyro]

Just built today Rashad build, havent yet gotten time to actually play it

[low harbor]

it's prob the worst melee in the game atm

[keen timber]

yeah i'd believe it

every time i see someone using it they do absolutely nothing

[low harbor]

if I had to write up a tier list of weapons, the bottom 2 would be thunder hammer and bonesaw

[keen timber]

what weapons is this for

[upbeat gyro]

Open to suggestions to tune it, Rashad + Needler

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0d16285-0fb3-41cf-aaf3-1bbf28bc5e3d/rashad-axe-scum

[low harbor]

take hypercrit over 15% mag size

[keen timber]

^

[upbeat gyro]

Okay will do, i just read HC and HV have bad interactions

[keen timber]

Rashad kinda just gets around it by doing lots of damage anyway

[upbeat gyro]

Okay, that it is then, because 7 mag needler vs 6 is nothing

[tall dome]

Cursed idea i need to get out of my head, Hive Scum variant of the Vigilant autogun that for the special action has you dab to get the dual pistols trickshot bonus

[upbeat gyro]

Am i missing out on a lot not having Forge's Bellow, that aoe stagger from Rampage node

Seems like could be pretty good debuff for bosses and such

[lapis raft]

i would take forges below over quick and deadly

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah dmg could be reaching overkill already

Sweet spot vs Quick and Deadly? 25% weakspot vs 15% dmg on dodge

[lapis raft]

depends on how often you think it will be up

[low harbor]

it is very good

[bronze glade]

I really like it

[lapis raft]

but quick and deadly has garbage uptime so

[upbeat gyro]

Ok, adding it then too

Ok, that it is then

Ill add to description that its Discord Pro(tm) approved

[vast yoke]

it's not C tier because C stands for shock maul

[lapis raft]

can also take adrenaline unbound potentionally

[bronze glade]

I love dashing up to an ogryn patrol and making them all fall over

[vast yoke]

it's a B-

[bronze glade]

https://tenor.com/view/the-boys-kick-revenge-fighting-fight-gif-18774618

[upbeat gyro]

110% better than famous youtuber build

[muted pivot]

True, but, have you considered, faster?

[keen timber]

diminishing returns make it not notable

[vast yoke]

it's decent and a good clutch save but it rlly depends on the build, i find with shiv rampage builds i don't rlly get high value out of it but caxe gets big value since you don't get crackhead mobility

[upbeat gyro]

Ill be trying the shiv crackhead build too after this

[vast yoke]

try with and without for every rampage build imo i run it on a few builds

[upbeat gyro]

Open to links if people got talent trees for it

[vast yoke]

there aren't rlly any diminishing returns with attack speed tho

[lapis raft]

well regardless of weapon its very often free revive

[muted pivot]

For horde clear it's the only stat that doesn't diminish

[vast yoke]

True it is a voc fart

[lapis raft]

double fart even!

[muted pivot]

Also helps keep you safe in the rampage debuff

[vast yoke]

I always stack triple revive speed so I don't find it insanely clutch

but I do take it always on anything that isn't cknife, shivs maybe tax

just cus those weapons can dodge certain death but low dodge range weps can struggle so the command fart is clutch

[upbeat gyro]

Thoughts on Slippery and Jittery on rampage melee builds?

Im not against bit more survivability since my gaming skills arent topnotch yet

That bit about Jittery has me worried especially: "Only applies after the regular dodge action, does not apply after dodge-slide."

As i tend to spam slides

[vast yoke]

i only rlly run slippery on a few despo builds and jittery is incredibly strong on shivs/cknife but you can drop it on heavier weapons that don't benefit from dodge movement, it's pretty great on any build tho

[vast yoke]

slides are not dodge slides

dodge slide is dodge -> hold crouch to slide mid dodge

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah i know, i spam the slide variants a lot with crouch

[vast yoke]

that's cool

[upbeat gyro]

Got crouch on my alt so can do Shift + Alt easy

[astral canyon]

Keep in mind dodge slides consume 2 dodge counts

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah i learned that today reading these steam guides

Probably spam em too much tbh

[vast yoke]

yeah it's not the best thing on scum tbh especially since Jittery let's you normal dodge spam

i only dodge slide for poxbursters and a chaos spawn grabs

[upbeat gyro]

Whenever things start shooting, i start spamming slides

Learned that from ogryn

[vast yoke]

if you just spam dodges you're practically invincible vs ranged spam

on scum at least

[upbeat gyro]

Okay, ill try to undo that habit and be more dodgy instead

[vast yoke]

with jittery you have no real downtime for more dodge spam

[vast yoke]

it's a good habit tbh scum is the only class like this

[upbeat gyro]

Someone told me i look like crab the way i move

Also, that someone was gunned down, not doing it, in spectator mode so 🤷‍♂️

+25% weakspot to jittery reasonable trade?

[muted pivot]

Dodge slide is for aggro-heavying with slow weapons, or for evading poxbursters

[vast yoke]

probably, weakspot bonus is only worth on cknife and shivs

[muted pivot]

Apart from that it's mostly excessive imo

[upbeat gyro]

Updated it again

[tranquil fjord]

on rampage id recommend stam on dodge, which helps when rampage goes down

[upbeat gyro]

Like the Wind?

[tranquil fjord]

yes

[upbeat gyro]

Not sure where id grab loose talent for that still

[tranquil fjord]

i take it in opposition to the other two in the row

[vast yoke]

you don't rlly need this

realistically when rampage goes down everything is dead

[upbeat gyro]

I could pay attention to it ending and dodgesliding some distance and switching to needler spam

[lapis raft]

you can also grab stam regen on curios to offset the downside and then its whatever

thats what i did when i was playing rampage at least

[vast yoke]

i don't even find it an issue with no stam regen curious ngl

i mean try it out for a few games and see if it's great for you, everyone plays differently

[tranquil fjord]

with shivs at least i dont find much difference with the other two at all

[vast yoke]

jittery is insanely good on shivs

[upbeat gyro]

My first "look mommy i did it all by myself" Rashad build i did without outside input, is wildly different (and worse) than the one i got now finally

[vast yoke]

the slide one isn't great for it tho

[tranquil fjord]

i mean in the row

i hate the pathing in that area though

[upbeat gyro]

I just imagine that is like 90% experience doing their darktide builds who dont bother looking for outside help

Running really unoptimal builds

[vast yoke]

Nimble on shivs is fun

the mobility you get is insane

[upbeat gyro]

Noticed this pressing F to check out others builds in the lobby

[vast yoke]

used to be so much worse day 1 tbh

nowadays I just always take Nimble tho

[tranquil fjord]

go ahead and take extra dodge on ranged weapons lol

the other two didnt work or fucked you over

[vast yoke]

the lower threat talent sucks so much ass like i wanna be shot when i run desperado

i think they want it to be some sort of backstab playstyle talent which would be fun if it wasn't a terrible playstyle

[upbeat gyro]

I can just imagine taking the lower threat talent and then having to spend twice more time reviving friendlies and feeling guilty about it

[tranquil berry]

I think the low threat talent messes with burster aggro, making them feel more broken than they already are

[vast yoke]

it does yeah

[tranquil fjord]

wouldnt it be beneficial to be agroed? to take advantage of more crits from float like a butterfly

[vast yoke]

i tried to type float like a butterfly but my phone autocorrected it to float like a hetslop???

[tranquil fjord]

hetslop???? in my darktide server

[tranquil berry]

You should stop floating like a hetslop

[north crow]

Why are pugs so fuckin terrible at frontlining, I wanna play scum!

[brittle sierra]

Can't scum slaughter everything in the Frontline?

[upbeat gyro]

New word to me

[vast yoke]

every scum build is a frontliner

just press space

[north crow]

You can't frontline solo, you can with another brawl buddy, but rampage downtime fucks you up

but if you have 3 backline, you gonna suffer

[brittle sierra]

You know the word: Cissies?

[tranquil berry]

Everyone can frontline by just running ahead and being first in line for an overhead

[vast yoke]

might wanna delete that cus of another word in that picture

[upbeat gyro]

Not really

[vast yoke]

the 3 psykers on my team last night

rotten armor and they all went in front of me when i was tauntgryn

[tranquil fjord]

the existence of hetslop implies hetgem

[brittle sierra]

STRAIGHT

[tranquil berry]

I like it when they go in together and share an overhead! it's more efficient

[vast yoke]

they all died to the same overhead it took my breath away

[tranquil berry]

Ah! Beautiful!

True art in motion!

[heavy patio]

does wildifre strength or spur attack speed apply to range weapons?

[vast yoke]

everytime i think of a hetgem example it's gay

💔 💔 💔 💔 💔

[vast yoke]

yeas

[tranquil fjord]

a cognitive bias may affect one's perception

maybe.... youer gay

[vast yoke]

my wife can't find out that I'm a lesbian

[tranquil fjord]

im probably enby but i have a job so i dont care about that rn

[heavy patio]

if my 3 wives 4 husbands and 2 enby partners found out i was poly and pan id be so fucked

[tranquil fjord]

are you prophet solomon

[final temple]

listen. none of y’all is a big tiddy goth baddie anyways so who cares?

[sinful matrix]

what the fuck is hetgem

[upbeat gyro]

Had to google enby too

[upbeat gyro]

Now this i know

[final temple]

I don’t know if you are or are not a big tiddy goth baddie but I am sufficiently convinced you are not.

[zenith pagoda]

Tauntgryn works when you have competent teammates

[brittle sierra]

"I want a big tiddy goth girl"

[sinful matrix]

That's just nonbinary

isn't it?

[upbeat gyro]

I dont think i gave you permission to post my private pictures. 🚫

[pine blaze]

i want big tiddy goth gf

[zenith fern]

I just want an affectionate and love caring bf/gf

You people have no sense of care smh

[limber cradle]

I want to find inner peace and tranquility along with contentment in my life and surroundings.

[zenith pagoda]

Both my havoc games of the day

Mission aborted

Wtf fatshark

[brittle sierra]

Themfriend

[brittle sierra]

It's honestly adorable seeing straights learning the lingo for the first time

[zenith fern]

[zenith fern]

nonbinary partner real

[sinful matrix]

I hope you're not talking about me

[upbeat gyro]

First attempt at Rashad build, 30s into game, dodgeslide into next pack of elites after first one, trapper behind em, never heard it, instantly webbed, rest of the team dies 30s later unable to rescue me shooting from far back.

[rough peak]

Sounds about right

been there tho

[upbeat gyro]

Think ill lower Auric into Damnation for the next one

These guys were like lvl 300s+ too

[rough peak]

Just remember with the rashad: Light spam everything that isn't an ogryn eilte/monster. You can either light spam or heavy spam maulers, as well. >.>

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah i used to play it with vet back in '23-'24

[rough peak]

lol

I've been playing since 2022, my brain just went on vacation with that statement

23 is when they finally fixed the rashad's priority

I remember when people thought the way with the antax was push attack spam <.<

I'm... honestly not sure how good I could make this gun in a run... :\

That's my prefered mark for the headhunter, but, on hive scum I might consider the mk3 version

[tranquil fjord]

yknow if hypercrit worked with ranged on scum this gun would be a monster

[rough peak]

Yeah

[tranquil fjord]

its still really good

yknow its weird

[rough peak]

I don't like the burst fire marks on the headhunter

[tranquil fjord]

it feels as though it specifically nerfs the slow firing crit weapons on scum

that hypercrit doesnt work with ranged

dual stubbers, single shot headhunter

[rough peak]

I noticed stripped down is actually more effective on the needle gun, when I had the +3 stamina curio

or rather has better uptime

[rough peak]

I want to love the headhunter, but, every time I use it... part of my soul dies due to my poor aim

You get punished really hard for having poor aim, on that gun

[tranquil fjord]

have you tried lowering your sensitivity?

m are you keyboard and mouse

[sinful matrix]

1600 dpi and low sense is the way

[rough peak]

I have my sensitivity pretty much perfect for how I play x.x

every time I fuck with it bad stuff happens, or it just feels horrible

[livid raven]

damn people don't all play at 3000 dpi?

[sinful matrix]

I mean I used to use my mouse at 400dpi lmao

[rough peak]

Uh, this is my in game settings >.>'

[astral canyon]

1 dpi and 0.1 sensitivity

[sinful matrix]

You'd need uh

unironically like 200 inches of desk space for a 360

[rough peak]

Any lower makes it feel too slow, any higher makes it feel way too shaky

I still gotta be able to do a 180 for that trapper that just ran up behind me x.x

[sinful matrix]

I mean it also depends on desk space

[rough peak]

I don't have much space on my desk atm

[sinful matrix]

if you only have like 8-12 inches of mouse space, high dpi/sense is normal

[rough peak]

Is this a high dpi...?

[sinful matrix]

I have I think 25 or something with my keyboard in the right spot

DPI is mouse specific

You'll find that through your mouse's software

[rough peak]

I don't think I messed with those at all, I just set my in game stuff to work with my mouse

[sinful matrix]

Kinda surprising. You've never struck me as the tech-illiterate type

figured you'd've tweaked it at some point

[rough peak]

I am not really illiterate... I just don't mess with stuff unless I have to

[sinful matrix]

Yeah I didn't mean to say you were if it came across that way

Just. . . surprising is all

[rough peak]

my set up is set to exactly what I need and fucking with it has severe consequences >.>'

[sinful matrix]

Time to grind aimlabs for a 2% improvement in video games

[keen timber]

psykers can crash the game

[rough peak]

I am not really tech savvy, so I'm probably closer to tech illiterate than not

[keen timber]

atm extreme psyker racism is very beneficial towards clearing ur havoc

[sinful matrix]

Should see my aim in gears 2 and 3 lmao

Too lazy to figure out mkb controls to replace roller

and I can't aim for shit on roller

[zenith pagoda]

What now

[keen timber]

if ur doing havocs

with cranial and toll

[rough peak]

Considering how bad my I think my aim is I do land more shots than I think I should

[keen timber]

psyker can crash the entire lobby

[zenith pagoda]

Yeah it was

[rough peak]

but experience helps with landing shots

[keen timber]

yeah did u have a psyker

they prob crashed it for u

[sinful matrix]

https://streamable.com/a39hnf

Exhibit A

Its so ass :,)

I fucking hate controllers

[rough peak]

I opt out of using a controller any time I can

[sinful matrix]

While I could figure out mkb for Xenia Xbox360 emulator

[rough peak]

My aim is bad enough with giving me everything I can have going for me

[sinful matrix]

my ps4 controller was literally plug and play

and that layer of easyness beat out my need for kbm controls

[rough peak]

Your aim is better than mine is with a controller

[sinful matrix]

Also yeah, that's on an xbox360 emulator

I thought that shit was near unplayable but I was a decade out of date

This shit's been smooth as so far(A little hitchy/stuttery, but not too too bad)

[sinful matrix]

yikes 😬

[upbeat gyro]

More like it, took more carefully

[rough peak]

How long do you think It would take to get 203 heavy attack kills on a solo malice run with my stim active?

[rough peak]

my aim is like 10x worse with a controller

[sinful matrix]

Uh

one match?

No, stim active

So two to three matches

So like an hour or so

[rough peak]

solo on malice with bots tagging my targets

[upbeat gyro]

I need to do the stim active heavy hit penance too

[rough peak]

I have ascension riser as my prime choice atm

[upbeat gyro]

Heard some Chain Axe is good for it

[rough peak]

I have the mk1 dclaw atm

probably should have taken the mk2 taxe tbh...

[rough peak]

Didn't take 1 hour lol

rampage helped tho

hypercrit procced a lot on the mk1 dclaw's heavy attacks, for hordes

Sweet, now I have each set of the transcendant gang type things

[rough peak]

My guess is the mk3 shivs, the mk4 chainaxe, the mk2 taxe, and the mk9 heavy sword(with the mk1 dclaw as an honorable mention) are the better options since they all have repeating sweeping heavy attacks

[zenith fern]

One of chainaxe marks has sweep heavy attacks too

So would recommend that mark for the penance

[rough peak]

that's why I said the mk4 chainaxe x.x

[zenith fern]

Oh wait you just said it

I am stupid

[rough peak]

Heh

Happens, I was even dumber earlier

[zenith fern]

I am only dumb, that's my trait

[orchid timber]

i just used a dog grenade to force a burgle to spit out my teammate and it turned towards the edge right as i did and spit him straight to his death

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-cat-catlaughing-laughingcat-point-gif-7577620470218150413

[rough peak]

I got rewarded for making sure we got all 3 scripts this last run, with a perfect db shotty that was nearly max rated >.>

[orchid timber]

i got a 490 executioner shotgun at the end of my last run, 60 damage

[rough peak]

Oof

[fierce aurora]

I like the hacksaw on ranged hivescum

[lilac ermine]

I like this game because its easy to play even without sound

[mighty belfry]

flesh tearer knife on scum is lowkey goated for rotten armor actually

[lilac ermine]

Why how

[mighty belfry]

Rotten Armor DR ignores DoTs.

[lilac ermine]

Is it kill crusher faster then like spamming heavies on head

[mighty belfry]

I was running it yesterday and it actually does wittle down the rotten armor mobs quicker than just constantly wailing at them from my experience

[lilac ermine]

I forgot what perk is

[livid raven]

bleed stacks on weakspot hit i think

[mighty belfry]

You can do that and that also inflicts the bleed. It's essentially using the bleed as a way to bypass their resistance at first until they get past the threshold to start taking full damage

It's on crit.

And it's 8 stacks

On a class that likes critting.

So it's actually consistent too on Chem Dep.

It's also nice to have coated because that extra DoT of chem toxin helps too.

[brittle sierra]

No

[mighty belfry]

I was running with finesse stimm too since

Finesse stimm on combat knife is kinda nuts

[lilac ermine]

Is it need dependency because I like the adrenaline keystone better

[mighty belfry]

Honestly you could probably brute force it even with adrenaline

[lilac ermine]

The finesse stim is good

I tested its way better then rending

[mighty belfry]

Since with the attack speed bonus, you'll get to 16 stacks quickly enough.

And it'd help with boosting finesse stimm further anyway.

[lilac ermine]

16 is max stacks bleeding?

[mighty belfry]

Yes.

[lilac ermine]

And 8 is every crit so only 2 crits

[mighty belfry]

Ye.

[lilac ermine]

Wow thats good

[mighty belfry]

Technically can be done with shivs

[lilac ermine]

I have rending blessing and crit blessing on shivs

[mighty belfry]

But knife has the 120% rending

Which actually does matter.

Shiv can't boost bleed damage on carapace as much.

[lilac ermine]

I never used the knife much I heard it has worse horde clear

[livid raven]

it does

better single target tho

[mighty belfry]

It does ™

Horde clear is honestly serviceable enough if you're running a strength stimm though

[lilac ermine]

With shiv I dont have problem with single target except maybe rotten armor

[mighty belfry]

Or rampage for that matter

[livid raven]

i really like the knife as a sidearm for desperado

more than the shivs

[lilac ermine]

I havent tried my shiv build in havoc but desperado build kind of way worse in rotten armor

[mighty belfry]

Arguably, it feels like it synergizes better with hyperviolence too

Knife has higher highs compared to shivs in pure numbers but it's dependent on hitting weakspots/crits

[lilac ermine]

My friends always want me to be desperado

[dim moth]

the things an unnerfed uncanny strikes will do

[lilac ermine]

So knife kills crushers better then shivs?

[fierce aurora]

Tomorrow I can max dual autoguns

[livid raven]

easily

[fierce aurora]

Yey

[mighty belfry]

Yep.

Shivs are better generalists.

Combat knife better for single target.

[lilac ermine]

Thats all I pull out melee for in desperado

And the bosses

[mighty belfry]

But honestly can be brute forced into being decent at horde clear.

Especially since all of the cleave you get + bleed means you're getting a lot more horde clear

Since bleed ignores cleave distribution.

[lilac ermine]

When im using shivs it can one shot crushers sometimes lol even if its not suppose to be single target

[mighty belfry]

It

can

But it probably isn't gonna do that all the time.

[lilac ermine]

It needs hyper violence, rampage, and stacked rending on shiv blessing

I dont think it needs crits

[vivid wedge]

I take purple bonesaw for my desperado build

[fierce aurora]

Purple is like brittleness?

[spark gyro]

Fellers, did this thing stop sucking after the damage nerf idfk how many months ago?

[livid raven]

it still sucks in a vacuum

it's just great on desperado builds

[vivid wedge]

Yeah but it stacks separately from brittleness

[mighty belfry]

It's good specifically on scum

And I guess there's a use case for arbitrator

[lilac ermine]

Its good on desperado but less dmg on flak then uzi and autogun

[mighty belfry]

Since it procs forceful really quickly.

[livid raven]

even then it's among the worst of the desperado guns imo

[lilac ermine]

It shred mutants actually faster then the uzis

[bronze glade]

Eh

sap is good

[lilac ermine]

It shreds maniacs idk why

[bronze glade]

My first SAP desperado game was 1.3m

[spark gyro]

[bronze glade]

That’s its whole thing

[lilac ermine]

Also it can knock over ragers and maulers

[mighty belfry]

It's always had a great maniac multiplier

[spark gyro]

The shredder has ridiculous maniac damage

[bronze glade]

Very high maniac adm and stagger. Poor flak ADMs

[mighty belfry]

And has really good stagger.

[lilac ermine]

But less damage against ragers and maulers than others

[livid raven]

imo it goes Brauto<Shredder<Dual uzi<vraks iag

oh, i used the wrong character

[mighty belfry]

It just isn't good at armor.

[spark gyro]

I remember people using it back in the first? talent trees on vet and it was just constant mauling

Hell, even zealot was goated with it

[mighty belfry]

Yeah then it got nerfed into uselesness.

[lilac ermine]

Desperado hive scum is literally old vet

[fierce aurora]

What are good blessings to get for the hacksaw for desperado?

[mighty belfry]

And then it got buffed again.

[spark gyro]

I think they cut the bonuses for blaze away and pinning fire in half or something?

[fierce aurora]

Meant blessings, always mix'em up

[bronze glade]

I wouldn’t use saw with desperado

[vivid wedge]

I use refined lethality and limbsplitter

[bronze glade]

Use shiv

[spark gyro]

Speaking of, which of the two has the faster reload: shredder or autopistols?

[bronze glade]

Sap

[livid raven]

shredder

by far

[spark gyro]

I think I'll keep that one and see how it goes

Gotta get them fast slaps

[bronze glade]

SAP just feels way snappier for desperado

[lilac ermine]

Shredder easier to use

Has no recoil while autopistols is like one of only weapons with recoil

[livid raven]

shredder is easier and you can take pinning fire and fire away with no doubt in your mind

also yeah it's pretty accurate if you brace it

i also heard DAP can't chain crits

[bronze glade]

Yeah SAP has way better crits

[spark gyro]

Wacky world we live in

[livid raven]

well in general, DAP has kinda low finesse

[fierce aurora]

I like saw

[lilac ermine]

Guys what do u think of readit saying needle gun is overpowered

[vivid wedge]

^ same lol

[livid raven]

i implore you to try vraks iag tho

[bronze glade]

It really needs a dedicated build

[livid raven]

i think the needle gun punch alot above its weigth for no ranged investement at all

but i just don't think it's op by its nature

[lilac ermine]

I think its only overpowered if your not playing havoc or auric

[mighty belfry]

those are exactly where they're overpowered though

[lilac ermine]

In havoc and auric needle gun cant stop like half the specials from doing their action

[mighty belfry]

but it will kill them.

[lilac ermine]

So a trapper will always shoot a net a flamer will make a flame trail

Bomber will throw bomb and dog will jump

[lilac ermine]

Yh

[livid raven]

kinda

[mighty belfry]

I'm always on the lookout for specialists because I have most of my time on this game on vet lol

[livid raven]

two shots kill them pretty fast

[lilac ermine]

But having them shoot nets and throw bombs is bad to let happen

[mighty belfry]

I tend to try and deal with them before they can actually get close.

[livid raven]

i don't think it's really that good against specialists tho

[lilac ermine]

And I think in havoc all the enemies do everything faster

So its almost guaranteed theyll do it

[fierce aurora]

Still leveling stuff, I don't intend to haul my non-meta build into damnation or havoc anyway, at best I'll probably try and run 5 heresy level for the cosmetic and then go back to malice

[mighty belfry]

Admittedly, needle pistol itself isn't the actually overpowered part.

It's pickpocket.

Because that one node kinda invalidates all of those concerns.

Since you can just fire as much as you want.

[bronze glade]

Then you can use whatever

[bronze glade]

The amount of gun and needle HIV I see without it is concerning

[mighty belfry]

I run melee scum with needle and don't use it tbh

But that's melee scum.

[livid raven]

i don't use it either

on melee scum

[lilac ermine]

I use bp without pickpocket on melee and I dont rlly end up needing it so needle gun may not need either

[bronze glade]

Yeah that’s fine

I’m talking about people who shoot all game

[lilac ermine]

Ranged scum wouldnt use needle though

[livid raven]

ranged builds without pickpocket might aswell not be ranged builds

like

i reach red ammo by the first horde in aurics lol

[lilac ermine]

Pickpockets not really problem

Its like psyker but with guns

[livid raven]

it's more like vet if he could use his guns liberally

[lilac ermine]

Ye

They destroyed old gun vet to make hive scum

And buffed it more

[bronze glade]

Nah gun HIV is more of a psyker than a vet competitor

Vet is still more effective at range and specialist removal

[lilac ermine]

Idk old shredder vet was the same play style

But they couldnt shoot into hordes

They could destroy shooters and specialists and elites but lost to bosses and armor

Had almost unlimited ammo and almost invincible during ult while killing specials and elites

[bronze glade]

Nah vet has the advantage at both longer ranges and specialists generally speaking

Thanks to wall hacks and weapon selection

Also just better ranged damage

But outside of niche cases, not the spammability of HIV

HIV and psyker both provide more general ranged DPS

[lilac ermine]

Psykers have wall hacks thru illegal ways

[spark gyro]

Reading about HIV providing ranged DPS is wacky

Patient zero is spawn killing everyone

It was funnier in my head

am now doing crit crowbar

God help me

[rough peak]

What's even worse is I was gonna try this, as well...

[spark gyro]

I'm doing wacky shit like regained posture for hive city brawler, and not taking the adrenaline frenzy modifier for stacks on kill

[rough peak]

I'm just screwing around atm. I'm gonna try the stimm supply with the build

I really want to use adrenaline frenzy with it, but, I think chem dependency is the right choice for it :/

[spark gyro]

Yeah, I'm trying to mix some stuff together

[rough peak]

I am not really sure about this build at all, at this point. >.>'

[spark gyro]

Rampage and adrenaline frenzy with a non-crit weapon doesn't feel particularly wise, but fuck it

I kinda hate chem depencency without stimm supply

Like, it feels awful to just keep stimming myself to keep a buff up instead of whenever the fuck I actually need it

[rough peak]

That's what I was gonna do, before I wanted to try crit crowbar x.x

[spark gyro]

On the plus side, if you do the exact same thing and just slap shivs instead, suddenly it's nutty

Maybe with a change or two, but mostly close

[rough peak]

Yeah, but, I don't really like the shivs even tho they're as good as they are... they're better than the combat blade, but, I don't really like low cleave weapons for my melee

The sprint speed on them is nice, but, the cleave on the lights... makes me feel like I'm taking a single target weapon to the horde clear parts that I really like my melee being able to do <.<'

[spark gyro]

With hyperviolence and hypercritical, I think it does quite nicely

[eager zephyr]

Or the cleave node at the bottom of the tree

[spark gyro]

Oh yeah, I take that one too

Gotta squeeze it a bit

Pulverising strikes on rampage is also silly

I mean, rampage is silly

[restive frost]

feel like every1 use chem dependency

am i the only one usin adrenaline frenzy

😔

[brittle sierra]

No

[spark gyro]

yes except for the others that do

otherwise yes

I'm actually learning to enjoy adrenaline frenzy without the kill modifier tbh

[restive frost]

i use it with stoked rage

so it last 20s

[spark gyro]

bro is stoked

I'm still testing things a little bit, but I'm at least glad it's per hit and not per attack

So it's still pretty easy to get stacks on hordes if you have a nice cleave

[final temple]

this seems weird to me. I would claim with a normal game’s pace you would want to be constantly stimming and rampaging. I like the comparison with how jobs play their rotation in FFXIV where you have cooldowns you manage. rampage with chem dep has the same rhythm.

[spark gyro]

Due to how fights are kind of random and fast in the game, I don't always feel compelled to use an item with a somewhat long cooldown

So I try to make do with what I have because I'm already confident on succeeding without the stimm

But this ends up fighting with the 60s and 90s durations for chem dependency and if I play too well without the stimm, I just kinda forget it exists

[final temple]

do you run full 75s stimmlab on rampage? cause with sample collector those ~45s of the typical stimm for a rampage build are more like 30s tops

that is not a huge opportunity cost

on let’s say damnation upwards you might end up ‘having’ to stimm maybe once or twice to maintain stack. and remember, once you are fully stacked you can run 179s/119s without stimming before you fuck up your stack economy

[mystic bolt]

What’s heavy sword mark is the most optimal

[woeful hill]

all of them

try out each to see the moveset

9 is the most simple

[craggy island]

I've been playing dual auto pistols with the shivs and vultures mark, with a stimm rolling im at about 3k dps

[rough peak]

They all perform roughly the same, but, the mk9 tends to stick out as the most liked one

[spark gyro]

I ran a 50% one most of my time with scum, then tried out a 100% one for stimm supply and it just kinda sat like that since

It's not that I can't use it often, just that I don't need to use it often

[final temple]

Then you are not trying hard enough to get into trouble /s

no. I get you. But in that case you might want to reconsider switching your stimmlab to CDR to get something somewhat worthwhile out of it if you don’t feel you need the boost.

[nova valley]

Hello! What guns do you use on Hivescum other than the exclusive ones? I am tryn the single repeater and the infrantry gun and they are quite amazing

[main wagon]

Double barrel desperado is good fun

Infinite ammo generator without ever really worrying about running out

[bronze glade]

And explodey bistol

[spark gyro]

I'm just using it for toughness, then I realized "hey, I'm using it almost never and the situations I need to use it are bad", so I just put strength and rending on it too

I still go matches without ever using it

Maybe I should jump into havoc so it forces my hand or something idfk

[arctic imp]

petition to ban mods from the game 😡 PLAY THE GAME THE WAY GOD INTENDED OR DONT PLAY AT ALL

[spark gyro]

You keep your grubby hands off of my Keep Swinging

[bronze glade]

mods are how god intended darktide to be played

[arctic imp]

I THINK NOT

[bronze glade]

fatshart sanctioned the mods on nexus

so i think so

checkmate liberal

[frigid wyvern]

one of these damn trader idiots had a mental breakdown an attacked me lol and the whole caravan turned hostile

[craggy island]

516k damage for a damnation run good right?

[bronze glade]

Decent yeah

[bronze glade]

Truly a Rimworld moment

[light phoenix]

Strangely enough I'm irked by the amount of visual recoil from doublebarrel shotty, it's what's stopping me from using it

[vapid jungle]

You should keep trying. Killing 20 ragers with the DBS is peak gaming. Feels gooood.

[light phoenix]

But it makes me nauseous 😰

[bronze glade]

it is kinda annoying when playing DB HIV yeah

[amber sundial]

I bet there’s a mod out there somewhere that removes it

[mighty belfry]

lowkey

tauntgryn has been more of a curse than a blessing in my experience recetly

[pallid quail]

how so ?

[mighty belfry]

four times in a row in havoc where an ogryn taunts and they move into me and actively screw me over

it is

truly something

two overheads

two poxbursters that i cant push because they're going for the ogryn and then that ogryn moves into me without pushing them

[pallid quail]

[vapid jungle]

That's some good trolling never thought to do that

[spark gyro]

I remember when the recoil was bugged with the swap and it kicked your camera to the wildest places

though the recoil now still is honestly so annoying

too much screen movement

I'm much rather have my crosshair kicking to the sky, and it's actually something a few weapons do, like the combat shotties

[light phoenix]

Ah so it's not just me

Only way i can play doubleshotty now is firing both at a time

At least I don't feel like I'm taking 2 heavy backshots in a row ingame

[spark gyro]

also uhhh the uhhh

bolt pistol ADS does the same

it's not centered and most of the recoil is the gun itself instead of the camera

there was another game I played where you could disable recoil screenshake, but I can't remember which

I think it might've been Payday 2

[bronze glade]

i do that on some builds, perfectly valid so long as you take the both barrels blessing

[spark gyro]

new build: both barrels without both barrels

it's actually funny that the high reload speed animation is just the both barrels animation, independent of how many shots you reload

[loud aspen]

I tried to search to see if this was discussed or maybe I read something wrong but am I suppoed to get buffed from my own stimm supply? When I tested it in the meat grinder, I didn't seem to get any damage buff at all.

Using the cartel special with 20% strength 15% rending.

Using Stimm Supply with exact same build.

[bronze glade]

dafuq

you sure you filled your stimm supply with the right drugs?

[loud aspen]

I didn't change anything in those videos other than pressing 4 or F

Okay I did more testing and Stimm Supply only works if you drop the crate with the cartel special stimm cooldown available.

[bronze glade]

isn't that how it awlways worked?

except for the bug where you can leave the radius and come back in

and get the buff

even though your stimm's on cooldown

[loud aspen]

If it is, it's worded improperly enough to confuse me. But yeah, I tested running out and going back in and I get the buff. But if I just throw the stimm supply down without stimms available, I don't get anything.

I'm not sure what's suppose to be intentional or not.

If this is the case, do allies still get the buff if my stimm is on CD and I drop it on their feet or do they have to be outside and run in like I do?

[tawdry cipher]

Is this the only gun where I want reload speed + stamina

I assume only the direct hit matters for the damage ups

and not the DoT

[woeful hill]

DoTs get affected by perks

of the wielded weapon

[tawdry cipher]

oh wow okay

nice thanks

hmm

carapace + unyielding then ig?

everything else can be killed in one hit

[woeful hill]

Thats what I use

unsure if carapace changes the shots to kill on crushers though

[tawdry cipher]

why do all the blessings suck ass

[woeful hill]

how so?

it benefits alot from crit

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1451035789776523264/image.png?ex=6966fce3&is=6965ab63&hm=8cec06bdc956bb2a9abc752687594d953dfbe1bee18661d58b80262f1311542d&

look at this

[woeful hill]

well

speedload is interesting

[tawdry cipher]

DoT kills cannot proc it

[woeful hill]

only procs off the direct hit

yeah

[tawdry cipher]

fatshark pls

[woeful hill]

thats really the only one though

[tranquil fjord]

i heard that damage refinements on the needler only apply if you swap off the weapon and swap back on

[tawdry cipher]

im taking stripped down and run n gun

[woeful hill]

DoTs are effected by the currenly equiped weapon

[tawdry cipher]

lmao

[woeful hill]

dont downplay crit

mk 6 can use crit

[tawdry cipher]

wait how

I know weakspots inflict more chem stacks

but not crit

so how is crit useful

[woeful hill]

read this

[tawdry cipher]

ah

[woeful hill]

you can apply 10 stacks of tox with 1 shot

[exotic temple]

If you want a melee to compliment a your range, crow bar with can opener is decent. The brittleness lasts 5 seconds vs 3.5 for purple iirc

[tawdry cipher]

8 to 10

eeeehhh

I'm good with better defensive options

[bronze glade]

cb*r

[exotic temple]

Chem dependency I use for finesse weapons and adrenaline for power weapons

[spark gyro]

Do y'all (you all) think it's worth swapping superiority for can opener on the crowbar?

[bronze glade]

you don't drop superiority

it's sup + opp/can opener

[spark gyro]

I'mma try out can opener then

[bronze glade]

i prefer opportunist because it applies to all staggering attacks

can op only works on the hook mode

[exotic temple]

Do they have to be fully staggered like knocked on the ground or does normal stagger work?

[tranquil fjord]

how does opportunist work

is it for the attack itself which staggers the enemy and/or any attacks against a staggered enemy

[woeful hill]

if staggered at all

So I read it as rending buff if the enemy you hit is staggered

[jaunty sail]

i have hice svum guied for you guys

W+m1 vraks autogun ratatatatatata

OPEN FAIER

[spark gyro]

so true

[spark gyro]

Yeah, I think it's just gonna be a tradeoff of team buff and ramp-up

Though I'm feeling the crowbar with superiority alone is being pretty neat

Might keep can opener to get some team deeps on bosses

[patent bone]

New Hive Scum theme:

https://open.spotify.com/track/3AspYFTkJFk9lXyaa2xxjW?si=uvbfN6S4S_y5o4XkPhyy3g

[jaunty sail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfk0v5dPtYk

this

[patent bone]

Nice, but not enough of a banger

Also this

https://open.spotify.com/track/0WpRF4X2LyMTZnqqrXX19U?si=avpqmv-xRGu217avxKEMIw

[acoustic sable]

Do you guys have any recommendations for YouTubers who post videos of their havoc gameplay as Hive Scum?

[bronze glade]

prob epiccole and telepots

[drifting heron]

ainz

[bronze glade]

i can't recommend ainz because his thumbnails are ugly

[acoustic sable]

Thanks for the recommendations

[novel oracle]

Nuh uh

[drifting heron]

Actually incorrect

How can you call this ugly

[bronze glade]

a thumbnail only a mother can love

[unique spire]

This look like a thumbnail for a Darktide compilation

Actually no

Looks like a thumbnail for a Instagram reels video

[spark gyro]

Looks like a psyker dream thumbnail

Is this Beloved lore

Is the Beloved the bron jame

Ainz has some explaining to do

[tranquil fjord]

"What, beloved? You want me to turn her inside out?"

[jaunty sail]

When did these thumbnails get popularized

First time I saw template like that was on new Vegas modding

[drifting heron]

Idk

Its funny

[jaunty sail]

I know its peak

[unique spire]

You never saw a meme compilation thumbnail?

Damn

[jaunty sail]

Maybe read next message

[drifting heron]

In ainz's specific case you can actually track the progression

[jaunty sail]

🫵

[drifting heron]

They start with maybe 3-4 layers in edditor

And then progress from there

[unique spire]

Okay?

Where meme

[jaunty sail]

Yes

[zenith fern]

[fierce aurora]

I’ll try crowbar when I maxed out the saw. Thanks. But that the relentless chain starts at 3 takes getting used to.

[jaunty sail]

Peak again

[patent bone]

AHHHH JUST PULLED A CLUTCH AND GODDAMN DID IT FEEL GOOD!!!

[dusk wagon]

Does anyone know when FatShark will return to work?

[final temple]

they are back at work.

[drowsy relic]

They came back last Wednesday

[dusk wagon]

I just hope to come back soon to fix the bug

[dire badge]

How about some content

They gave us a new map that can't be played on havoc

[drowsy relic]

That'd be late march/early april

[drowsy relic]

Probably. Updates every quarter. 3 months after December is

[warm dust]

today in the conclave radio music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMvlw8XRFGw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bJiWro9M1I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6qv2MCFVOU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzFFj4tJFQM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Au5RCy7aJI

[frigid wyvern]

another classic rimworld moment

[patent bone]

Hopefully we get more cosmetics

I like the bare chested shoulder pieces that represented gangs

[compact oyster]

we still dont have the end of the year blog

[drowsy relic]

That's true

[dire badge]

Is this just ai

[livid raven]

yeah, 13 years old AI

[verbal dew]

26*

[warm dust]

that not ai is from the movie heavy metal 2000

[dire badge]

Oh right didn't look at that I'm just a dumbass apologies

[upbeat gyro]

Certain infamous youtuber said they do not consistently, with crits they die like 1 shot earlier or something along those lines. Hence carapace is kinda meh and he recommended reload instead

Rashad feels super strong after bonesaw, only thing i dont like about it is that it feels so slow it doesnt feel like playing hivescum anymore at times

[misty condor]

got a question yall, is The Sweet Spot talent good? the bonus makes it seem good but is it one of those talents where its secretly shit? like +25% of like a 10% bonus or something?

[livid raven]

it's around 7% more damage on weakspot

[misty condor]

is it just a njce flat 25

aaah gotcha

[livid raven]

it's fine on weapons that have high finesse

vraks, knife, shivs

[misty condor]

ya this is for rashad build

[livid raven]

then it becomes more than just 7% or so

[misty condor]

so maybe worth

thx mucker

[livid raven]

yeah i think it's fine

[misty condor]

tyinking of dropping it for stam on dodge to keep the attack speed up

[livid raven]

i dunno how is the general opinion on stam on dodge talent, but i think it's one of the worst hivescum has

[misty condor]

i am also unsure

[verbal dew]

idt I've ever used it

the dodge regen when high stamina tho

[livid raven]

hivescum's stamina regen is already stupidly high

[misty condor]

the breakpoints on rashad for oneshotting elites actuallyl feel quite tight so sweet spot may help a lot

[upbeat gyro]

Weakspot is what i dropped from my Rashad build after consulting here lastnight in favour of including Jittery

[livid raven]

yeah i don't think you got the points for it

[upbeat gyro]

Tbh im not so sure about if that made me miss some oneshotting breakpoint, but im not into high havocs anyway so down lower probably not

[verbal dew]

jittery is v cool ye

[upbeat gyro]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0d16285-0fb3-41cf-aaf3-1bbf28bc5e3d/rashad-axe-scum

[livid raven]

but it's not a bad node still

[misty condor]

i have jittery already, its very nice

[livid raven]

you just have to do some triage

[undone arch]

Bonesaw and needler, how do you guys deal with a gaggle of dreg ragers?

[livid raven]

cry and piss my pants

[verbal dew]

I never use both at the same time lol

[misty condor]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a07a239b-9e32-4f73-a2bd-fad9dac760a6/hive-scum-rashad-enjoyer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button this is what im rocking at the moment, trying to feel out those breakpoints because oneshotting a bunch of stuff feels great

[verbal dew]

that's a lot of cleave nodes

when you already have BM

[misty condor]

the last one gives you like an extra kill haha

8 in one swing

dont reslly need it

[verbal dew]

hyper violence ig

I'm not a rashad enjoyer myself so I can't give better advice

[misty condor]

feels great allihilating mixed hordes tho

[verbal dew]

I fall asleep using combat axes

[misty condor]

understandable, its great for brain off tho

[upbeat gyro]

I got told cleave is not for Rashad, relies on BM

[livid raven]

it's not wrong, the swings have 1.5 cleave

except the push attack

i think that has 8

[misty condor]

u can deffo go without the extra cleave but BM will go to 4 kills, extra cleave can take you to 8 (after a decent amoint of testing in the psyk)

the one extra cleave node is worth imo

the second not so much

BM is definitely the most worth

give it a whirl brother

i like the first one because you get the 5 seconds buff rather than per attack

[upbeat gyro]

Okay i might have to consider one cleave node then too

[vapid jungle]

Shoot them and dodge

Throw a blinder or chem nade

[undone arch]

Holy

Is this Reginald?

[dim moth]

stab them and pray they don't all spam their lunge attack 4 times in a row

[undone arch]

[craggy island]

Just hit your feet with a launcher they all dissapear 🙂

[spice cloud]

Looks very good to me

[upbeat gyro]

Crit one of em in the head with Rashad and watch em all disappear

But with bonesaw? Dodgeslide backwards and spam needler

[spice cloud]

I love the cleave nodes personally

[upbeat gyro]

With BM Rashad?

I could remove those and go for more cleave, but nice value in those 3 nodes too

[spice cloud]

I never play tac axe idk

But i generally enjoyed them with dual shivs heavy sword and chainsword

Idk how people can ise that tac axe trash tbh

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah for other weapons they are amazing, but Axes with Brutal Momentum things change, Rashad is caxe instead of taxe btw

[spice cloud]

Oh i did play caxe

I did not like it yeah

Its too slow

[upbeat gyro]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3367063781

[spice cloud]

I also prefer the last mark and not rashad

[upbeat gyro]

Combat Axe gone indepth there

[final temple]

you leave sample collector alone. that stimm you get gives you strength which straight up translates into more cleave.

[spice cloud]

I dont use it either on my rampage builds

Only with crate

Dont really see the need.

Rampage cd is pretty low

[restive frost]

chem dependency seem kinda ass to me

[spice cloud]

Its really good

[restive frost]

adrenaline frenzy seem better

[spice cloud]

Basically perma 20% crit and dr and 40% faster cd

[restive frost]

hmm

[spice cloud]

And like 35 secs cd on the crate

[final temple]

has nothing to do with rampage cd but with stimm cooldown. 20% str translates directly into more cleave. if your argument is that rampage gives you cleave already, then the argument to switch to a cleave node becomes mood too 😉

[restive frost]

i go rampage + pulverising and adrenaline frenzy w stoked rage

[spice cloud]

I dont understand the last part.

[restive frost]

cant send what im usin yet ig

[final temple]

the original argument to drop sample collector for a cleave node

battering strikes/momentum I suppose

[spice cloud]

I think thats ok

I feel like its more necessary woth crate builds.

[final temple]

I’ve never had the issue with a rampage build where I couldn’t have both, caxe, taxe, hsword or whatever

[restive frost]

thinkin of replacin tertium welcome with somethin

15% on first hit seem kinda hmm

[final temple]

it’s the best melee node up there. QnD needs a successful dodge.

[main trellis]

Why not both

Both good

[final temple]

more damage gud.

[restive frost]

battering strikes great

idk about momentum

if u using shivs

[main trellis]

+QnD buffs any dmg so DoTs too

[main trellis]

If you use rampage it is not needed

[restive frost]

yeaa but wat about when on cd

[final temple]

you stimm CDR if you are really worried.

[main trellis]

You cope; i never had issues

[vapid jungle]

Then you stim

Or yea you play intelligently

[restive frost]

ig il try

did they fix the hyper violence + hyper crit thing

[main trellis]

intelligently
Many ppl do not even know what that entails irl not to mention this game

[final temple]

never was an issue to begin with. HC had a bug with other interactions.

[restive frost]

thinkin of trying it, or just takin slippery customer

🤔

seem interestin

[main trellis]

What does that do again?

[vapid jungle]

I think its melee dodge slide jawn

[restive frost]

it's nice at times

[final temple]

slippery turns your slide into a dodge for melee defense purposes.

it has arguably more noticeable use than jittery does but also expects you to change your movement behaviour. nimble already gives bad habits

[restive frost]

it also nice when doing objectives, where u gotta carry stuff

can just slide, when u gunna get hit by melee and u wont drop it

[vapid jungle]

Youre so fast they usually can't hit you anyway. Also its good practice to push while you slide dodge with a battery to prevent hits.

You can move very far very fast without getting touched once you're good at it.

[restive frost]

hmm

btw why don't people take quick n deadly

it seem good

15% close range dmg, think it count for melee too

[vapid jungle]

Don't think of nodes in terms of their individual benefit but more in terms of what they compete with.

Is there another node that provides more damage or higher uptime?

[main trellis]

I would not say it gives bad habits; more like its mandatory for HS
Slide dodge talent however is bait… THAT teaches bad habits

[livid raven]

it doesn't teach bad habits

it teaches you how to play with the talent

that's the same thing as saying that pickpocket is bait because it teaches bad habits

[main trellis]

I would say its more like ‚its beneficial to the build; if i can fit it & i don’t need anything else/nothing else is better then take it
Beting on uptime is imo not means of all ends; smth can have low uptime but with it your build is much better cause it counters certain enemies/situations (purely exemplar)

[main trellis]

Kinda the same tbh
But i see the point; your point is valid too

[restive frost]

seen some ppl run adrenaline unbound

dnno if tht worth

[main trellis]

What does it do?

[restive frost]

5% toughness per sec

while adrenaline frenzy is active

might be good tbh with adrenaline smiter

[main trellis]

Its alright tbh; helps with chip range dmg from shooters/AoEs

And AoE is the main killer for HS

[restive frost]

yea gunna give it a try see if theres a diff

now i got 1point left iv no idea where to put lmao

[main trellis]

Show us the build

[restive frost]

cant upload pics

😢

cud go for slippery customer or jittery

or forges bellow or a dmg one at bottom

[vapid jungle]

Really hard to advise without seeing all the nodes

[restive frost]

i got most good ones

[vapid jungle]

Honestly 1 point isnt make or break just put it where you're comfortable and play

[restive frost]

feel like targetted toxin cud help

[main trellis]

Get the bellows

[vapid jungle]

Try it out and then try something else

[main trellis]

Soo many ppl don’t pick & its a pepega move not to

[restive frost]

yea it is nice tbh esp if a monstrosity grab u

or sum1 else