hivescum-class

[cloud tartan]

idk if its just me but i just got this class and i feel more squishy than other classes i've played

[cedar cairn]

Yeah it be like that
That's why I stick to Desperado

[fervent flint]

yo i just tried it feels good than dap

[cloud tartan]

any builds out there where i won't go down as fast?

[fervent flint]

desperado build got good survival

also got virtually infinite ammo if you know what ur doing

[cedar cairn]

Here's your average Desperado setup

[cloud tartan]

hmmmm i'll have to look into this further thank you

[cedar cairn]

Slippery Customer (immune to melee on slide) and Hive City Brawler (20% DR with stamina) are your big tickets outside of Desperado's ranged immunity

[cloud tartan]

also one question before i build this i've been reading online that other classes also feel abit squishy due to the update idk if thats true or not

[vivid wedge]

I mean it depends on your definition of squishy, this class has the best kit to evade with. Although when you fail to do so, you are usually punished fairly hard.

[zealous ravine]

i wish drugs were real

[vivid wedge]

I wish Dregs were real, we are not the same

[split lagoon]

What's the recommended viscosity % on stimm for a stimm supply build? Also which path?

[candid flint]

cannot go wrong with top right path (strength + rending)

i run max viscosity because crate comes back so quickly anyway

you can put some points into bottom right (cdr)

and some points into bottom left (attack speed0

i would advise against top left (toughness) because its effects are negligible

[split lagoon]

Going rending atm, 45s. not max viscosity because I have the feeling it's not that worth?

[candid flint]

i think it is

[split lagoon]

I will give it a try

[candid flint]

if you are goign stimm supply, yo uare going right side of tree. which plays into chem toxin, chem toxin builds reduce cooldown on stimms, and ultimate (if you take chem dependency)

so its not really 45 second cooldown

[split lagoon]

Yeah but still...

[candid flint]

it depends, but it is probably closer to idk 25 seconds

[split lagoon]

gonna try anyway

[lapis raft]

you want to go 100% always with stimm supply

cdr + str branch is also generally best

[dire badge]

is rampaging backstabs insnae if u play with taunt ogryn

[trim wind]

With sample collector your max stimm cd is like 20-30 seconds

[vivid wedge]

Cdr stim supply personally is the most beneficial for my build if it's on my team

[lapis raft]

cdr stimm supply is beneficial both to scum and the team so yea

as it also makes stimm supply itself come from cd like 9-10s faster

[dire badge]

testing it out rn ill let u bois in fent know

[vivid wedge]

Yeah if someone brings cdr stimm supply my desperado cd is 15 seconds but requires aligning their crate with my stim (Which is the duration of the stim)

[dire badge]

eh still ahrd to hit backstabs

[exotic temple]

I honestly don’t know. You typically want low investment weapons like shivs or bonesaw

[upbeat gyro]

Meanwhile penance has me doing Toughness+Speed 😭

But what i wouldnt do to the get scalped

[vapid jungle]

I like mobile finesse weapons for chem build taxe shivs knife and shoutout dclaw if you're running Needle pistol.

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah bonesaw is alright, just looking for other options to try out eventually

[exotic temple]

I curious to see how the other mark of shiv would work on a crate build. The box cutter ones

[lapis raft]

that mark is only rly good with rampage imo

[exotic temple]

Ah I gotcha

I got 2 more days before I can get home so I have a list of stuff I want to try

H sword crate is another build I wanna try.

[final temple]

once you go crate you never go back.

[vapid jungle]

Definitely my favorite of the abilities. Just feels more flexible.

[trim wind]

I went back

[rough peak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1406988061509681285/image0.gif

I have yet to try a dedicated crate build, so idk how it is

[vapid jungle]

Also I've been liking the Reginald suggestion of full str 3 nodes in cdr and attack speed.

Swap speed stam reduction and roughly 20%cdr with all the str rending bonuses.

[eager reef]

I found with crate there are two main mindsets, "how can I force my team to take my drugs?" And "the drugs are mine and you cant have them"

I'll drop it basically on CD

Just depends on where we are. Ill delay if we are near boss spawns

[gusty grotto]

How do you get the stab attack with the mk3 shivs?

found it

its push attack + heavy

[novel oracle]

I very quickly went back so I didnt have to crate anymore

[pine shell]

Autogun worth running on Despo?

[lavish bronze]

autogun is broad term

brautos sure

iags sure

vigis not so much

[pine shell]

Sorry, meant the infantry autoguns

[lavish bronze]

vraks mk5

[candid flint]

throw me in with the past few people who said they went back

[lavish bronze]

but imo uzis are better

[pine shell]

I find it hard to run anything but dual autos lol

[candid flint]

i will always come back to rampage

[bronze glade]

i'm not interested in sharing my buffs with the psyker

so i don't play crate

[exotic temple]

I just think crate is one of those abilities that has a lot of depth that hasn’t been explored because surface level it seems boring.

Especially when the other 2 options are unlimited bullets and crack head super powers

[livid raven]

it will soon have a lot less depth suddendly, when they fix the bug

[bronze glade]

yeah honestly i think crate is fine with the bug lol

[exotic temple]

Yeah having to leave the circle and come back in is kinda annoying

[bronze glade]

well given it's a bug, i think it's quite fair

[cedar cairn]

Yeah, the crate kinda needs an effect outside of the stims

[zealous ravine]

stimm doubling is cool

[cedar cairn]

There's not really a reason to pop crate without stimms up

It's kind of an odd ability

[exotic temple]

There is at the moment because you still get the buff if you leave the circle and come back in

[lapis raft]

they should just keep that in as without the bug neither the actual wording on crate or crate itself makes any sense with rest of the right side

[zealous ravine]

being able to do more drugs would definitely make crate appealing

[astral canyon]

I wouldnt mind if the crate applied the stimm buffs regardless of if its on cooldown or not

As long as it doesnt consume the cartel stimm

[exotic temple]

Even without the bug I think it’s fine. You drop one chem grenade in a horde and you can drop like 2-3 crates off of it

[livid raven]

we'll see

[cedar cairn]

One box generates several boxes. Drugs, how do they work

[exotic temple]

It’s like those little nesting dolls there are just boxes inside of boxes

[upbeat gyro]

I dont even understand how the crate works, i just press F when i have it up

Third mindset of using the crate

You should get psychadelic visions while sitting on the crate aura

Smiley faces on the enemies, breathing walls, geometric patterns on corners of field of vision, and miniogryn gnomes appearing very rarely somewhere that arent really there

[bronze glade]

is that a fox or a dog

[astral canyon]

Its a fog

[bronze glade]

ah thanks for clearing it up

[astral canyon]

Alternatively a dox

[cedar cairn]

Mods mods they're posting doxes

[empty jacinth]

Tried lots of strangeness on hivescum today, ran only cooldown reducition and dropped kits down, I feel like there should be something really fun that that should be able to enable on someone elses abilities

is there literally any reason ever to not to the "Kits disappear in 5s but linger 15s"

Apart from creating a corruption free zone/heal corruption zone?

[vapid jungle]

I think the corruption removal follows you during the 15 seconds. The only thing I can think of is Mortis Trials where you can get an electric boon on the radius.

[bronze glade]

just had this hive scum take an entire fucking map's

worth of ammo

because he didn't take pickpocket

and wanted to play le funny needle spam build

[lavish bronze]

did he have desp

i assume no

[bronze glade]

nope he was running crate

so he ended up taking the equivalent of 21 ammo

before we lost the game

naturally

[lavish bronze]

i ran needle pistol as specifically anti cara gun

desp is with smgs

[bronze glade]

same

he was running needle gun as his main

[pallid quail]

useless class tbh

at no point have i ever thought wow yknow what would make this mission better ? a hive scum !

[limber cradle]

Unavoidable loss, truly.

I forsee no way this couldve changed

[bronze glade]

and just look at that damage taken stat

i was wondering why the medkits were being fucking drained instantly

now i know

i'm going to share this clip everytime path says agri CS is mid

[livid raven]

We love people who take 15 hp bars worth of damage in one match in this household

[bronze glade]

only if they also take 20 ammo tins

[pallid quail]

they only call it mid if their aim is mid (i do this)

[final temple]

nobody is perfect

[pulsar aspen]

@bronze glade is agri really mid?

[drowsy relic]

It's so monsterous with exe

[mighty belfry]

that's shocking given it's the one class that can give the entire team immunity to corruption

as well as a bunch of huge buffs

[pulsar aspen]

@bronze glade Why'd one even invite this player?

[limber cradle]

Which agri

Brauto, IAG, CS, Maul?

[bronze glade]

i don't think so, but path really likes his one-shot sidearms

which agri is kinda only ok at

[bronze glade]

i only play with randos

[pulsar aspen]

I see.

[limber cradle]

Path feels exceptionally biased sometimes

[bronze glade]

well i agree with him most of the time

but not on agri cs lol

[limber cradle]

Tbh

The more I listen to people here

The less I care about what they think

And the more I used whatever I personally find is good

[candid flint]

i am, however

[naive idol]

Not according to that one dude who got really mad you were fish reacting me

[lilac schooner]

plasma woulda cleared that in like 3 or 4 shots no joke

[bronze glade]

ok but plasma is boring

[upbeat gyro]

This is the way, but im too fresh and wet behind ears yet to be at state, so id rather listen to the elders for advise from various points of views

[lilac schooner]

weapons are mid when other guns do the same role but better, but on arb its actually the best choice because of the other choices

[upbeat gyro]

Had so much fun with vraks iag on hivescum that now i wanna give it a go with arbi too to see if it works

[limber cradle]

ive played these games long enough to form my own opinions

[upbeat gyro]

I have about 30 hours in now at 2025-2026 so still just catching up

[limber cradle]

uhhh

[woeful hill]

1.3%

[limber cradle]

this is my purple heart

[limber cradle]

vt1 cata was something else entirely

Christ

I've been playing tide for over a decade

[candid flint]

what are you doing here

you dont play darktide

youve forgotten what it even is

[main wagon]

Have you ever seen Josho and Brunt in the same place?

I’m just saying…

[livid raven]

What if they give shroudfield to ogryn

[livid raven]

Very true

[covert lagoon]

man rampage with heavy sword is fun

[nova valley]

That is the way, bruv! Have fun and do it your way!

[jaunty sail]

shovel

obviously

why are dirty veterans in my hive scum chat

the only iag worthy of my gaze is vraks

[zenith fern]

Now I think about it, I am legit surprised that scum did not received shovel

Not sure how and why is veteran exclusive but would be funny on scum including non fold mark

[vapid jungle]

I think Hivescum having a frying pan would be more thematic and more funny

[eager reef]

i really want a frying pan

[vapid jungle]

A Lodge cast iron pan would fuck

[eager reef]

just give me a slew of improv weapons

[versed spruce]

Every single person in zealot chat only valued damage all the time ever until fatmangus dropped

And they can't even say "but you can tank a crusher overhead with it" because every time someone got crusher overheaded they were 100% on "skill issue" timing

[vapid jungle]

Ill take broad strokes and internet hyperbole for 500

[versed spruce]

||because it is but still||

[jaunty sail]

Fishfat dropped the ball

Hive scum needs

Karate melee weapon

Kya

Go full lego ninjago mode

[eager reef]

spiked knuckles

[jaunty sail]

Nah karate better

[zenith fern]

[vapid jungle]

Sanejane would look great in a Gi

[eager reef]

im thinking dying light style tbh

[versed spruce]

a fellow raiorlder

[eager reef]

mix up of various punches kick as a special action

[versed spruce]

I was so sad when Downpour only introduced local multiplayer

[zenith fern]

The world is full of rain

[upbeat gyro]

Few games with Bonesaw & Needler combo im starting to think Bonesaw is bad combo as it takes its sweet time to get going

So when you just spam needles and need melee here and there, it never really gets going properly

I want instant removal, not some swing 5 times to get blessings online and then you good

[signal nebula]

Bonesaw is good, you just have to get used to the play style

[eager reef]

bonesaw asks you to pretend it's actually combat knife and need to hit heads only

[zenith fern]

Darktide players when they find out some weapons are not just light spam or hold heavy attacks

[eager reef]

im not knocking bonesaw, i love the thing but you cant jsut light spam unless you hold it at head height

[zenith fern]

Bonesaw remains my least used scum melee

I have tried only few times when I got to 30

I gotta try it again proper

[eager reef]

the only bad scum weapon imo is crowbar and it's not bad per say

it just has a lot of things the feel like the values are off for what it's supposed to be

[zenith fern]

It not terrible but not great either

[eager reef]

best way to describe it is an ogryn weapon with none of the oomph

i would directly compare it to prebuff ogryn power maul

[tranquil fjord]

i think all weapons with latch attacks would immediately be viable if their attack speed was 50% faster

its just so slow

[eager reef]

or, make attack speed affect latch time

[tranquil fjord]

it does

[main trellis]

You have no idea how good old Paul was then

[tranquil fjord]

but only noticeable with a lot

[eager reef]

my ogryn is 1800

i do

[main trellis]

Even worse that you played ogryn THAT much & you are unaware what it could do
No offence

I wish crowbar had some sort of an impact blessing… its a stick… for bonking

But then again HS is suppose to not have great stagger so if crowbar had hammerblow it would have been insane? Especially with rampage

[eager reef]

it was a weapon that was fine at best and absolutely outclassed, same with crowbar

[main trellis]

Crowbar has its issues… sadly…
Old Paul too… but absolutely outclassed? Not a chance

[eager reef]

not interested in a debate, i've said my part

[floral galleon]

No debate was even suggested here though-

[final temple]

why are you white knighting? do you want a debate? /s

[main trellis]

I like strong & masquline profile pictures
Pls no shame

[thick berry]

crowbar is great! Its bad by itself and needs perks to allow your chosen playstyle to shine. I use Can opener with Basher. More crit chance after pushing for x seconds and then can opener to apply brittle and it pens heavy armor.

I can one shot maulers and their ilk applying the right stuff to it. Drawback is the ToK. You can be hit while its peeling back the armor. But then I just shoot a Bazooka when there are 3 or more and its super fun to use lol

[final temple]

https://tenor.com/view/shame-bell-game-of-thrones-walk-of-atonement-cersei-lannister-gif-16635977892557113898

[candid flint]

crowbar is decent, when brute forced with adrenaline/rampage (as are most melee weapons)

i actually prefer crowbar

but it is not great

shivs/knives would be in great tier

[wheat tendon]

Now that I'm using berserker and not poison, it's ten times better.

[compact oyster]

rampage and an attack speed stim gives you genuinely absurd speed on crowbar

[woeful trellis]

can crowbar stagger crushers? there was a crowbar + agri combat shotgun scum running stimm supply in my rotten armor h40 and we won pretty handily, but i don't have scoreboard so idk if he was hard carrying us or whether it was something else. normally i can sorta tell what's going on but in rotten there's that green gas everywhere and seeing things is pretty tough for me

[final temple]

absurd speed on anything. and Karpal’s

[candid flint]

yes it can

[thick berry]

versatility is always going to be worse than specialized, people are worrying too much about Meta to the point I might start recording my sessions to expose people. I was a lv 5 Hiver, learning the class. And someone kept calling me F'king trash. BRO its lv 2 and I'm LEARNING the class.

I got lv 30 on each class, nearly all challengesz completed. Bro was not cooking, mad glaze, best part he was using the Aribite. that IMO, next best thing is using AI to help the...oh wait

[compact oyster]

im also fairly certain that you just break the attack speed cap with rampage

[wheat tendon]

Though I hate how they gone with brown pants instead of purple for the purple rarity

[thick berry]

Delete this, don't tell em.

let them figure it out. This game requires some front load work in the brain department to understand. Not much, but there are no guard rails when you fall off the map in mario cart. You die. learn or be curbed.

[compact oyster]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1451299016016007290/togif.gif

[thick berry]

POV "Hiver is just bad, they die in 2 hits." never dodges, don't know how to block or manage stamina.

[pulsar aspen]

Quite a lot of those out there

[wheat tendon]

Hell you don't need stamina management or blocking when you go my build

[final temple]

there are scum builds that need that?

[thick berry]

imagine how much easy it would be if you did it anyway and moved some things around for more damage. Prolly could solo, but I am not familiar with this build. I am aware that stamina usage can be leveraged for more damage and toughness negation.

[main trellis]

That would require them to play their game
Oh wait

[wheat tendon]

I block, but I don't dodge.

When I have to dodge, I dodge.

But that's mostly..boss enemies

[idle ore]

nah this class is all glass no cannon

[lilac ermine]

If im using the blackout grenades is extra blitz just not worth

And I take loose formation instead

[indigo sedge]

emperor loves you stimm addicts

[final temple]

are you finding yourself often outside coherency?

if yes, it might be a better investment than an inconsequential increase in blitz capacity for blackout

personally I would still take it and just be more liberal with tossing it

[mint pendant]

on bonesaw, whats the purple goop?

[bronze glade]

applies brittle

[final temple]

a spethial brittle that stacks independently from other brittle sources.

[supple torrent]

Wait what

[mint pendant]

can i stack brittle and the poison together?

[livid raven]

yeah

[supple torrent]

How does that affect brittle calculations.

[vivid wedge]

They get extra brittly

[supple torrent]

Does brittle have a cap?

[livid raven]

yeah 100% i think

if it works like rending

[bronze glade]

yes but not super useful

since tox innately has high ADMs

and is good against all types of armor basically

[mint pendant]

okay thank you

[main trellis]

40%
Bonesaw, some talents have separate brittle stacking so they stack with general brittle debuff

[livid raven]

Owned

[main trellis]

Nah; imagine a world where brittle could stack to 100%… jesus what an ez game that would be

[livid raven]

The lowest adm toxin has is 0.9 on carapace so you don't really gain many benefits

[main trellis]

For Dclaw & Hsword users that is

[mint pendant]

soooo i guess bone saw is a no?

[livid raven]

If anything, you could just stack more toxin

[mint pendant]

i like having chem and dots

[livid raven]

I don't think people use the purple mod much

If at all

[bronze glade]

purple also doesn't last that long

[exotic temple]

Which is a shame. It’s an interesting alt mode

[bronze glade]

you have to stay in purple and not swap to another weapon

to make good use of it

and you can't really swap modes either

you won't stack much tox before brittle drops off

[exotic temple]

It’s nice to have when no one brings dedicated anti armor and some shows up

[bronze glade]

when nobody brings anti armor

you pull out your anti armor equipment

because you have a well-rounded loadout / build

right??

[brittle sierra]

The value of the points you put in versus the damage of dots and bonesaw are outweighed heavily on other points

Bonesaw is the only weapon in the game that can stack enough dots to actually be valuable in killing elites and wave clear

But bonesaw is dog unfortunately and needs some buffs

[bronze glade]

i think saw is ok

it feels good when you run 9 stam

(never a good sign if a weapon needs 9 stam to feel good)

[exotic temple]

Usually but sometimes the nails bite and I want to hit something.

[wheat tendon]

my nails are biting

[exotic temple]

Needle gun is effective but it lacks a certain panache

[upbeat gyro]

Think ill try some Shiv build again but this time with Needler as sidearm to fall back on

[verbal dew]

meta be damned, stub pistols are fun

[upbeat gyro]

Ammo Jack brings Needler from 6 to 7?

[verbal dew]

yes

[final temple]

bonesaw is fine. it’s just a weapon you need to learn.

[lilac schooner]

😭

[random shuttle]

mmm

[candid flint]

i get this infrequently

where i play at a faster, but pretty normal pace

not speedrunning

get accused and accosted

[lilac schooner]

Yeah we're clearing everything I'm not like running past all the enemies

[candid flint]

by people who just hang back and get overwhelmed

[exotic temple]

I think people mistaken the aggressive play style the class rewards as impatient

[candid flint]

idk its like people forget that the longer you take, the more enemies that spawn, more enemies that spawn means more opportunity to lose hp, more lost hp means getting downed, getting downed means dying, dying means team more likely to get wiped. you cannot clear the map. things spawn forever. move at a decent pace.

also, usually by the same people, i will get chastised for not looking for resources

bro if you care about resources, jsut play regular damnation where the drops are the same

not advocating for speedrunning. i dont like it. i dont do it, unless the rest of the team is. i prefer not to. i just beleive in moving at a decent pace--before the director says 'fuck you'

[lilac schooner]

14 minute auric game so it did go by pretty fast

[candid flint]

that is very fast

most matches that aren't 'operations' are designed to be 25-30 mins in length

[lilac schooner]

I think though if there's atleast like 2+ decent players they will clear enemies like nothing

I play h40 normally so I was just doing some testing in a quickplay auric

[candid flint]

we need to implement another barrier to entry in auric lmfao

introduce the turing test

there's a solid idk 30% of players who are in auric who wouldnt be able to pass

send them back into heresy/malice until they learn bursters/hounds/trappers are dodgeable/pushable

[exotic temple]

For sure nothing more annoying than someone shooting buster in my face and its auric

[modest patio]

This is probably 80% of the damage i take in aurc runs

[trim wind]

mankar prefers to jump over a railing just to see what happens

[mighty belfry]

specialist behavior is so frustrating rn

[cedar cairn]

Zealot I don't even remember being on the squad doing the slide cancel bunny hop back flip into an isolated burster's radius the millisecond I decided to shoot it instead of shoving

[mint pendant]

in the dual pistols, whats the special?

is it like a flourish

[final temple]

pacing is the most important team skill.

[cedar cairn]

1911s it's a spin that shrinks the reticle to a pinpoint for a single shot, allowing a sniper shot
Autopistols it's just a pistol whip

[vivid wedge]

I'd say that pacing, and the concept of anchoring to certain roles is pretty close in importance.

[mint pendant]

okay thanks

[candid flint]

yw

[astral canyon]

spin also increases finesse damage

[carmine moon]

hey scummers, i've been wondering for a while

how come most of you never need any ammo pickups?

[astral canyon]

pickpocket

[carmine moon]

could have sworn i'd looked at all the talentss

must have missed it, thank you

[bronze glade]

bottom left

far left bottom left

[karmic summit]

Is it bad to run Hyper violance and critical together?

[spiral horizon]

afaik hypercritical will not proc hyperviolence

[idle ore]

no

[tranquil fjord]

depends

[spiral horizon]

hmm Kuli's guide does not actually seem to comment on this unless I'm blind

[karmic summit]

This is what the video I watched said

[tranquil fjord]

if your crits deal 51%-100% of a man-sized enemy's health, then hypercritical will steal the damage that hyperviolence would get

if you deal enough damage to kill an enemy without hypercrit (>100%), then that damage will allow hyperviolence

[spiral horizon]

so yeah like not bad to run together per se, somewhat inefficient perhaps since you are getting less mileage out of HV

ok yea kuli's guide does comment on it, I am blind

does not proc on instakills caused by Hyper-Critical and the Haymaker weapon blessing.

[tranquil fjord]

there is also the train of thought that, how much would hypercrit even apply if you are already one shotting enemies consistently without hypercritical

[lavish parrot]

Like with a rashad?

I know that thing consistently oneshots everything short of elite or special

[spiral horizon]

yeah rashad with hyperviolence is pretty unstoppable

I've really only bothered with byper-crit on stuff where the crits are nasty, the crit rate and attack speed are high and I'm not looking to use hyperviolence

mind you scum does stack all of those inherently pretty darn well

but like, I'd rather run HV on a Hsword as opposed to HC if that makes sense

[tranquil fjord]

you can still make use of crits with only hyper violence, they are still a huge force multiplier

[spiral horizon]

whereas shivs or a knife I'll run HC, especially if I'm on a ranged oriented build

[tranquil fjord]

shivs with only hyperviolence and high crit, precog on a melee build is deadly

[spiral horizon]

yea it is

especially if rampaging or stimmed up

[main trellis]

You still should; help them out - its not like you will fail; you’re experienced enough

[candid flint]

i will not scour the map for materials

if i see them, i will pick them up

id rather just kill the enemies

[main trellis]

Then kill’em & on the way grab what you can (if you weren’t that is)

[candid flint]

that is pretty much what i just said above

[final temple]

it cannot, because there is no overkill.

[final temple]

we have done tests on this (well, path has). HV and HC do not interfere. at all. because the times HC would be triggered, HC will not trigger and vice versa. the idea that you would interrupt some ‘rolling’ HV stack is undemonstrated because HV only stacks on increased overkill, so HC would never proc inbetween.

[spiral horizon]

so there's never a scenario where HC is triggering on an enemy that would otherwise be overkilled?

[mighty belfry]

pretty much

if you were going to overkill an enemy, hypercrit won't proc

or rather, if the crit you deal would just normally kill whatever you're attacking, it won't proc

also

you know what the absolute worst thing about rotten armor is

it's when you know you can actually outdamage the armor and you do so but someone comes in to proc a crusher's aggression from behind the horde and then they dodge into you and get you killed

i'm not even blaming them honestly

like i get why they would push up to help but in rotten armor, it ends up being at your detriment sometimes

[final temple]

none that has been demonstrated to actually happen. there might be some edge cases but these are basically invisible among all the damage procs and bonuses coming online. once you start overkilling, HC basically cannot interfere.

[mighty belfry]

the only time it really can

is when you're already not really doing enough damage to consistently overkill anyway

if anything, hc and hv actually synergize with each other uniquely for rampage

because hc helps when you don't have rampage up

[spiral horizon]

does that include scenario where say, you've got a flame psyker dunking out soulblaze on the wave n stuff?

[mighty belfry]

yes

the more health they lose, the more overkill damage potential

[spiral horizon]

right and HC doesn't interfere with that

[mighty belfry]

nope

[spiral horizon]

I see

[mighty belfry]

If anything a flame psyker blasting into a horde would also ensure hyperviolence would proc over hypercrit more often than not.

[viral tartan]

HC and combat axe is amazing. HC and anything with a crit build is pretty damn amazing actually. I can't really think of a time when I don't want it, unless there's not no way to get to it to make a build work. Great talent imo.

[mighty belfry]

they're both good nodes but there's a misconception that they have antisynergy

and while that's kinda true

the antisynergy is a nothing burger with fries at most

[viral tartan]

They both help just in different ways

[final temple]

yeah. it’s more like that you see finesse weapons taking more advantage of HC and HV not being a traced proc becoming hard to assess.

[mighty belfry]

they don't really insist upon each other like it was first believed

[rough peak]

https://tenor.com/view/dechartgames-hungry-garden-zen-garden-elmo-fries-gif-21877224

[viral tartan]

Not everything needs synergy, the class has holes and the talents help fill them

[final temple]

it insist on itself

[mighty belfry]

thing is, they do also have synergy tbh

[viral tartan]

You could say slow weapons have more effect since a crit is much higher damage per proc, but man, running HC or HV with a fast weapon just slaps. So math be damned, it makes a LOT of weapons just work.

[rough peak]

lucky for me I was eating when you said something about fries

[mighty belfry]

even with crate and a beefy stimm, it's nice to have both because hypercrit is good for when you have a deficit for damage

[rough peak]

hypercrit hyperviolence crowbar build when?

Would that even work?

I'm not sure it would

[mighty belfry]

honestly, eh?

crow bar really isn't all about big burst damage

not a lot of overkill to work with.

[rough peak]

It's about sending a message to the heretics... by breaking their kneecaps

then again... they're nurgle worshipers... so that probably wouldn't hurt that much...

[final temple]

I think taking HC could work to your advantage. HV only if it’s rampage

[spiral horizon]

the other thing to is that pathing into pickpocket takes you through HC pretty often anyway

unless you're choosing to actively avoid it for w/e reason

[cedar cairn]

I don't even see people breaking kneecaps with that thing, it's all wrenching the entire front of someone's head off

Hive gangers are performing straight up mortal kombat fatalities down in Atoma

[spiral horizon]

I just run HC with it

it really helps with clearing stuff in my experience

[mint pendant]

so the blue setting on needle bursts onto others? i guess i use that in crowds and use the yellow setting for elites

im trying to do a chem scum build

[bronze glade]

if you want to use needle for horde clear you have to use mk2

mk6's alt fire doesn't do shit

[mint pendant]

noted

[bronze glade]

it just looks cool but no damage

[craggy island]

I'm playing gun slinger right now and it's so freaking fun

[woeful hill]

tf2?

[zenith fern]

Give scum a mini sentry

[light phoenix]

Give scum a cat

[river drift]

Scab Sentry

[final temple]

Give scum scum.

[light phoenix]

Oh what if the new class is Tech-thrall and they also introduce new enemy types. Scab Sentries and Corrupted Servitors

[river drift]

Give them a broken bottle

London Simulator

[final temple]

nah. londinians shank you with a ripped alu can.

[spiral horizon]

broken bottle is more australia simulator

[supple torrent]

I want a crowbar skin thts a bat with nails on one end

[worthy mist]

what does dodge angle do?

[woeful hill]

increases the angle that you can dodge bullets while sprinting

[final temple]

it increases the angle in which ranged attacks automatically miss you while sprinting. it’s normally 40 degrees

[abstract lichen]

Does this work against snipers?

[livid raven]

good question, i don't think anyone tried

it's a really meaningless mechanic most people don't even use intentionally

[woeful hill]

No

Shooters/reapers/gunners

Sniper shots need a dodge input or los

[livid raven]

the fact the most popular hivescum build on gameslantern takes it makes me cry

[woeful hill]

It's Gameslantern

[bronze glade]

it wouldn't feel like the gameslantern we know and love if it was a good build

[livid raven]

the irony is

that single talent is the only really strange choice

at least in the talent tree, the curios and weapon selection is another thing

[supple torrent]

I think that build was up before the they shifted the skills around. Possible it wasn't updated afterwards.

[livid raven]

It was

Updated that is

[supple torrent]

Damn sad to see.

[tight nacelle]

hello scummers, is there a doc for cleave and stagger distribution for scum's unique weapons?

[upbeat gyro]

High enough stats to be worth it?

[main trellis]

I prefer HV with Caxe; better synergy
HC is for knifes & shivs & taxes

Taxes

[low harbor]

Yes

[upbeat gyro]

That Rashad i linked is Melks, why i asked, missing 1 point from Max dmg i think

But probably good enough to see If i like using it on Hivescum, got lvl 20 mastery for blessings

[low harbor]

Stats are usable
Perks & blessings need changes
Check pinned guide in vet chat for more info

[upbeat gyro]

Tight on resources so grabbing it. If i really, really like it, can lake perfect roll later

[upbeat gyro]

Funnily enough it was my main melee on vet back in 2024

[unreal stirrup]

vermintide ah axe

[unreal stirrup]

both work too

if there only swift slaying in darktide

[fast gust]

The nerfs are coming

[livid raven]

still got two or three weeks

[fast gust]

https://tenor.com/view/midgets-borderlands-4-rage-running-ill-get-you-gif-2537109475681921302

[grizzled nymph]

Only been playing hive scum for a few days and was only using dual autos and dual stubs but i just tried the nail gun and holy shit its like deceptively good

It just straight deletes specials

[upbeat gyro]

And crushers and bosses too

So Brutal Momentum goes without saying for Rashad, but 2nd blessing Headtaker or Decapitator?

Goal is to oneshot everything except Crushers and Carapace helmet guys, and 3 guys around em in same swing

[woeful hill]

Headtaker

[drifting heron]

Decapitator is cool but effectively useless

You miss a oneshot and kill the entire bonus

[upbeat gyro]

Now just gotta cook up talent setup for this

[fast gust]

What if, after 5k hours of Mordhau I don't miss?

[drifting heron]

Go for it

[upbeat gyro]

With HV, should i go around HC to get pickpocket instead with Ammo Jack?

[drifting heron]

Cold start one tap that crusher

[upbeat gyro]

Battering Strikes and Battering Momentum for Rashad?

[drifting heron]

Neither

Rashad doesn't interact with cleave

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah i had memory its only Bromentum

[drifting heron]

The only benefit those would give is staggering more with the push attack

[upbeat gyro]

Well, saves talent points

[drifting heron]

Take the rightmost node on rampage

Actually wait your rampage is setup all wrong

Take rightmost and center left

Drop far left

[upbeat gyro]

Done, i guess instead of rending from it ill use needler for carapace

[drifting heron]

Just use rashad

It does great carapace damage before ultra soup

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah havent used rampage before, those nodes certainly made all the difference, now it lasts and hit hard enough to oneshot rager

Or well, i did use rampage to get the penance, but didnt pay no attention to it then

[upbeat gyro]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0d16285-0fb3-41cf-aaf3-1bbf28bc5e3d/rashad-axe-scum

For some reason Rashad Axe blessings were unavailable, anything there that should be changed?

[drifting heron]

Why do you want pickpocket

[upbeat gyro]

Needler spam when in doubt

[drifting heron]

You've got like 100 ammo just don't miss and you'll be fine with normal pickups

I'd also recommend andren over dependency

[lilac schooner]

i dont even use needler i personally think its not very good

[upbeat gyro]

Rashad crits nicely and Chem is 15% crit 15% DR and 30% CDR vs 10% att spd and 25% dmg, but yeah thats definitely something i should try both and see which i like more

Chem Dependancy is easy to have always on, Adrenaline i havent checked how often its going

[drifting heron]

Adrenaline is 100% uptime in fights

And also has regen

[upbeat gyro]

Having my honeymoon with needler now, so keeping it and pickpocket for now

Just too comfy to melt distant boss or pack of crushers before they get even close

[ocean hollow]

Don't be a wimp

Use melee

[upbeat gyro]

On the new trench map there was boss coming at us on that bridge part, it was on opposite bridge, kept needling it and it never managed to even reach us melting to toxins

Maybe if i feel confident enough, for now, wimp mode and axe spray

[upbeat gyro]

If going Adrenaline, what nodes are must have for it?

Smiter seems like obvious choice to have it going faster. 5% toughness per second seems bit weak. Duration to 20s seems worth it.

[ocean hollow]

The only one I take is duration to 20s

Although with havoc density, I don't think you need it necessarily

[upbeat gyro]

Does this proc per kill or per hit? Like can you brutal momentum 3 targets in one swing and gain +12 stacks?

Pinned to the rescue

[astral canyon]

Per kill

And its 5 per kill

[upbeat gyro]

Ok, updated this to use it then

Many melee users instead go for Blackout to stagger pack before going in? It was pretty handy for that when doing the penance

Boom is just nice to clear room for revives in really tough situations

[lapis raft]

blackouts cost +1 point usually so i barely take them

[upbeat gyro]

Guess that could work as pseudo blackout, but no talent point for it unless i drop my infinite ammo needler

[spice cloud]

Huh?

[upbeat gyro]

Im assuming he takes it with +3chem stack talent?

[muted pivot]

I like blackouts for melee because I also take sample collector

It's fun having so many resources feeding into other resources

Ability is fed by stimms, which are fed by chem kills, which are fed by melee kills (blackout regeneration), which are fed by ability

And having blackouts for rampage build just feels worth it for the safety of it, since you have no problem killing armour

[gusty grotto]

Anybody else thinks that the blessings for the needle pistol are absolute dog?

Like give me a blessing that increases the chem toxins damage tick speed or something

or makes the alternate poisons explosion bigger

[upbeat gyro]

Its weird weapon otherwise too, like what else wants to dump dmg or stopping power?

And reload speed is S tier perk

[fast surge]

Flamer dumps damage

But yeah reload speed being a good perk is definitely unique, but it kind of feels good when a weapon has unique choices that only work for that weapon, like it adds depth

[upbeat gyro]

They should rework some of the useless perks, talents, blessings and such to be somewhat more viable atleast

Like the exp and ordo docket should be combined and add plaststeel and diamantine to it too. Maybe then someone grinding would use it after lvl 30 too

Maybe make it highlight plaststeel through walls too for maximum loot goblin action 😄

Wish Pocket Toxin was bit more useful, +3 chem stacks is half a needler shot only (or less if headshot/crit).

Is the +3chem 12m or 3,5m from pocket toxin?

[livid raven]

3.5

Why would it be 12

[upbeat gyro]

Well its not told anywhere so wondering, 12m would be already decent horde clear with +3chem

[spice cloud]

Its allready insanely powerfull

Doesnt even need blessings.

[keen timber]

it really doesn't need more offensive power

it's got all it's power in the base weapon

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah the default blessings for it arent even dmg related as those do nothing basicly, so just pick the ones for QoL other stuff

[gusty grotto]

the weapon's blessings are boring for what it is

[spice cloud]

Stripped down is good

And the dodge thing can be good.

What you are asking is just gonna make it utterly broken.

I allready need only 2 mags for any boss that thing is absurdly strong.

[upbeat gyro]

Fun detail on Boom Bringer

Fatshark should add all the detailed info as found on these Steam guides ingame so players wouldnt be in the dark

[lapis raft]

pocket toxin yes

[upbeat gyro]

Blew you up through wall?

[dim moth]

yes after a dog pushed it back into me (very good game mechanic)

[tired prairie]

I wouldn’t count on that - Fatshark never was explaining things to players throughly

[upbeat gyro]

Man's and poxburster's best friend

[main trellis]

Its what makes blinders great; outside of that they are good

[main trellis]

Dog push is dreadful

[dim moth]

half a needler shot kills everything smaller than a shotgunner

half a needle shot +1 stack kills shotgunners

also kills trappers

and I think flamers barely die to it as well

since maniacs take double chem tox damage

[upbeat gyro]

Nice, okay better than i expected then

[keen timber]

it's also on a cheap easily rechargable nade that u can carry like 6o f

[main trellis]

Literally take it to psykanium & test stuff

Same for everything else

[upbeat gyro]

I am playing hide&seek with 3yo atm so cant. But i did test the Rashad there for 5min earlier today and changed talents accordingly

And my point wasnt that its useless, but just that its only half a needler shot or less

Just goes to show needler is strong when even half a shot is so potent

Or well, i guess i did say it could be better

[dim moth]

I'm honestly a teensy bit scred about the next patch sometime this month because of it

They might make blinders restore from all close range kills and not think about pocket toxin

There's a non-zero chance that happens

And suddenly they're completely infinite crowd destroying monsters

[main trellis]

I understand such comparrisons but they do not make much sense in this particular topic - you have a radius of up to 8m with LP blessing while needle is single target/extremelly small aoe if you hit the ground; you cover more enemies with OP DoT and stun them to boot

[upbeat gyro]

How does +25% turn 3,5m to 8m? Or there are more im missing?

[main trellis]

As far as i remember; i might re-test them but its not small

[livid raven]

definitely not 8m radius

that's gigantic

[main trellis]

In comparison to stunstorms which base is 10m; yes
I wish i could test them now but i won’t be home anytime soon…

[keen timber]

does 79 vs 80 ammo change anything on needler?

[livid raven]

don't think so

[keen timber]

neat that makes my life easier

[tranquil fjord]

is it healthy for the game if a weapon like the needler can be spammed so often

[vapid jungle]

No

[tranquil fjord]

it feels like pickpocket should be a thing that only ranged builds should get

part of it is because you can just spam the needler with no concern for ammo

[vapid jungle]

Either pickpocket gets changed or unyielding
/carapace adm of toxin goes way down.

Maybe both

[final temple]

pickpocket might get a timer

[fast surge]

I would reduce the amount of reserves it gives and restrict it to only proccing on melee kills, so that you can't just shoot your way through the whole match

[final temple]

anything more complex will likey come with a rework. scum needs at least one pass to make VM and frenzy more competitive

[vapid jungle]

Yea the keystone feel pretty lackluster the subnodes especially

[tranquil fjord]

vulture's took like 4 design choices everyone agreed was bad in the past and should be changed, but its here now

[keen timber]

Cara adm shouldn’t go down that much

Needler itself should simply apply less stacks

[keen timber]

What, vultures… more competitive? Huh

[livid raven]

no i agree

vulture should get buffed

[keen timber]

Yeah true

Vultures is reeeeaaaallly weak and desperately needs buffs

[livid raven]

desperadotely needs buffs

[keen timber]

Actually worst keystone in the game frfr

Fatshark buff

[final temple]

vultures has dead nodes and frenzy mostly pointless tax nodes

[keen timber]

Vultures doesn’t care about the other nodes because it by itself already gives an absolute ton of shit

What

15% ranged damage, crit and move speed is huge for 1 point

[livid raven]

i think the same bonuses should stack 10 times

[keen timber]

Chem dep is 5% more Crit and you need to take 2 extra nodes for that

[livid raven]

it's 15% more crit

[keen timber]

What

[livid raven]

what

[astral canyon]

Also complaining about tax nodes on adrenaline when chem dep is right there

[keen timber]

For real

[final temple]

missing the point: tax nodes and dead nodes shouldn't exist.

[keen timber]

5% more Crit

[livid raven]

you said chem dep

oh, 5 more

[keen timber]

Yes

[keen timber]

They will always exist because some things will always simply be better

Regardless, all of scum keystones are pretty good and shouldn’t be written off

[livid raven]

if they swapped pickpocket with hyper critical, it would be perfect

[final temple]

nonsense. nonfunctional nodes need fixes. and tax nodes on a keystone are bad and meaningless design

[keen timber]

Hypercrit is in a really weird spot yep

[astral canyon]

What are you even defining as a tax node in this situation

[livid raven]

tho i agree that they should condense the upgrade nodes a bit

[final temple]

you want your choices made around an often build defining keystone to be impactful

[vapid jungle]

I like this idea.

[keen timber]

I think they wanted to keep it apart from hyperviolence

But then wanted to also keep it out of chem dep?

[keen timber]

It’s scums only real big anti cara tool so hitting it like that would hit everything else too

And there’s a lot of sources of chem tox that aren’t over performing

[livid raven]

list 3 of them

[keen timber]

That aren’t oferperformingv

?

[final temple]

nodes you have to take on a keystone because they are strictly superior than the main keystone or designed in a way that without them the keystone's potential is overly limitedf

[livid raven]

yeah

[keen timber]

Bonesaw pocket and the stack on Crit

[livid raven]

what is it, tox on crit

yeah

oh and stim crate

[keen timber]

I think if chem nade applied stacks slower

That would be fine

[livid raven]

eh

[final temple]

I'd suggest tox to have lower stacks but longer duration

[keen timber]

Either way outside of needler I don’t think anything else is horrifically over performing on fox

Tox

Needler is just a one weapon build

Requires no investment beyond simply equipping it and does everything

[astral canyon]

Almost every single keystone has tax nodes then

[keen timber]

I do think tox nades invalidate incendiaries though, but I’d rather fix that by giving incendiary some other form of utility rather than just making them both ‘aoe damage circle’

[keen timber]

I think the extra nodes gating keystone power is fine though. It allows the keystone to be stronger overall by making it more of a point investment to access that power

[final temple]

no. because most are neither strictly superior nor overly limiting but I gave a qualitative definition, not a quantitative so the disagreement isnt on you.

[astral canyon]

Wdym by superior anyways?

[final temple]

A while back I suggested immo to have corruption cleanse

[astral canyon]

Like a keystone with the modifiers should be better than if you didnt take the modifiers

[final temple]

yeah. agreed. when I say strictly I mean that NOT taking it leaves more power on the table than the saving of the point could grant you elsewhere

and power being a comparative gain or advantage to what the function of the node would offer in the context of the keystone

[astral canyon]

I dont think i understand

[livid raven]

opportunity cost

[keen timber]

Bad change. They already have beacon

[astral canyon]

If thats the case i dont think thays really feasible

[final temple]

yeah. yet scum also has several sources of corruption cleanse.

[livid raven]

only two really

[astral canyon]

Opportunity cost is hell to balance on a skill tree with 30 points available

[final temple]

two is still several.

[livid raven]

one is a whole ability, the other is a shittier node

[astral canyon]

Not really

[astral canyon]

A node that doesnt even apply to allies

[livid raven]

oh with shittier i mean

shit tier

[astral canyon]

Yeah im just pointing out the stimm corruption cure node doesnt even help teammates like crate or beacon

[final temple]

and yet it is a source of cleanse. which means we are not breaking the bank by giving the og class with this feature another option to offer it. or would that make zealot too desireable?

[astral canyon]

It would be a pretty insignificant change overall imo

[upbeat gyro]

So there was this thing where 400s were really just only +2 right?

[keen timber]

Yeah and a lot of them end up not being used because of it. Flame nades would still be pointless though because it simply wouldn’t add enough to an already mediocre nade

[final temple]

correct. it only appears as +3 due to rounding

[keen timber]

It won’t help. They already have a team wide cleanse and other, better blitz options

Flame nades take a while to stack flame up, enemies will actively path around it, and it has a smaller aoe than chem tox

[livid raven]

would anybody give the grenade pickups to zealot

[astral canyon]

No

Not when scum exists

[keen timber]

No fucking way lol

[lapis raft]

flame nades should apply brittle, would boost also its own damage and be actually useful

[keen timber]

That would potentially be good

[livid raven]

brittle isn't a bad idea

[keen timber]

Yeah

It’d make them good vs crusher packs and stuff too

[craggy island]

The launcher is just so insanely op there's no point in giving nades to anyone else

[keen timber]

You still have stunstorms being bad but it helps

[keen timber]

Tox and launcher are both incredibly strong, but it’s more than that

[astral canyon]

Stunstorms just need a faster fuse and 1-2 more charges imo

[lapis raft]

stunstorms could just explode on impact and then they would be nice too

[keen timber]

Vet shits nades like he breathes

[livid raven]

i'd give the grenade pickup to ogryn with box over zealot

[keen timber]

Zealot has shit nades

Psyker doesn’t care for them

Oggy has mid to shit nades

[lapis raft]

no reason why they cant do that when blinders are a thing

[keen timber]

Scum has packet genocide weapons

[upbeat gyro]

Spent 2k melk coins, problem fixed

[livid raven]

imo the fire nades should also buff the team

[lapis raft]

the benefit of everyone who doesnt have shit nades also having nade regen is that you can just eat all nades on scum for free and noone is sad :d

[astral canyon]

Blinders have a significantly smaller aoe

[lapis raft]

yea and they also have regen and tox

[craggy island]

I will say hitting a launcher shot in the middle of a group of 8 elites is just chefs kiss good

[lapis raft]

stun nades only stun in bigger aoe

[astral canyon]

Tox is a separate node

[lapis raft]

it is still a node

[astral canyon]

And the quickthrow+regen are the reason it has that small aoe

[keen timber]

The regen is the big bit

If zealot could regen nades

It’d be less of an issue

[lapis raft]

yea so on zealot you would get bigger aoe and no regen, seems fair to me

[astral canyon]

Quickthrow also helps in making them a panic button

[lapis raft]

while still having explode on impact

[keen timber]

Bigger aoe gets completely mogged by the regen tho

[livid raven]

seems to me like the nade meta dictates you either need nade regen or your nade have to be outrageously good and zealot has neither for the most part

[astral canyon]

If they had a shorter fuse and more charges they would be more or less fine imo

[keen timber]

Yep this

[lapis raft]

not always, the stunstorms are actually quite useful when they explode when they should

[keen timber]

Sure but that’s not the point

[livid raven]

aren't they called sunstorm

[keen timber]

They don’t do enough to compensate for lack of regen

Stunstorm

[livid raven]

sunstorm is a much better name

[lapis raft]

see if they were sunstorm

that would be a buff

[livid raven]

so true

[lapis raft]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-doctor-octopus-the-power-of-the-sun-in-the-palm-of-my-hand-sun-gif-23770857

[astral canyon]

How long does it even take between throwing the grenade and it detonating?

Its like 1.5 seconds right

[livid raven]

seems about right

[astral canyon]

Just 1s would be much better

Or even 0.8s

[livid raven]

just make it explode on impact

[astral canyon]

I had to use them for the penance recently and the most frustrating part was how long the delay took

[keen timber]

Not particularly long

The issue is not any one thing though

It’s that they do no damage, don’t regen, they’re an instant effect rather than a persistent aoe and havoc simply spawns too much to care

[lapis raft]

yea 1.5s

[livid raven]

funnily enough, the rocket does almost the same team as stunstorm

[keen timber]

Same what

[livid raven]

except you know

stuns the whole area

except the rocket tends to kill the whole area

[craggy island]

I was gonna say it pretty much nukes a whole area

Even bosses it chunks like 1/4 of their health or more

[keen timber]

Rocket falls off a bit in 40, I believe it misses kill threshold on crushers, but it still does a crippling amount of damage

[livid raven]

yeah it doesn't kill and even in aurics it doesn't kill outside of the inner radius

[tranquil berry]

it really doesn't take long for people to refer to massively overpowered stuff as mediocre. You really do get used to anything

[zenith pagoda]

Nuke doesn't 1 shot crushers and there's only 1

[tranquil berry]

Nuke doesn't 1 shot maulers, sometimes not even scab ragers in auric. Rocket launcher is hilariously OP

[zenith pagoda]

And nuke is underpowered

[exotic temple]

I think fat shark hates ogryn

[keen timber]

nuke has hilariously poor ADMs yeah

[keen timber]

I don't think anything here is being underplayed

[zealous ravine]

what if scriers gaze shot out a rocket when you activated it

[keen timber]

what if scriers gaze opened a warp portal and sixteen grey knights stepped out

[zealous ravine]

they'd be grey i think

[astral canyon]

Scrier's greys

[keen timber]

scriers gays

[zealous ravine]

new buff where it makes you woke

[keen timber]

no that's a nerf

infected by woke mindvirus

[zealous ravine]

what... did the meta shift...

[keen timber]

meta has always been 50/50 on that one

[upbeat gyro]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3586590987 Reading through this. Makes Hyper-Critical kinda appealing for reaching some crazy breakpoints on crits occasionally... could you maybe even do Crusher with Rashad with all stars aligned in your favour?

[exotic temple]

I like the warp portal direction but I think rowboat girly man should step out hand you the emperor’s sword, suplex the nearest enemy and then go back through the portal.

[keen timber]

no because HC is human enemies only

so it doesn't work on ogryns

[upbeat gyro]

Ah good point

Breeds that are not considered 'human-sized': Beast of Nurgle, Bulwark, Captains/Twins, Chaos Spawn, Crusher, Daemonhost, Plague Ogryn, Reaper

Should have used more reading comprehension and gone through it fully first

[rough peak]

"Breeds" lol

That's an interesting way to put it instead of types of enemies

[tranquil fjord]

they are swedish

[rough peak]

Makes it sound like they're a type of horse

My crusher horse doesn't get 1 shot like my daemonhost horse

[final temple]

look at my burster; my burster is amazing. lick at my burster; mmmh it tastes like MY FACE IS MELTING

[rough peak]

[tranquil fjord]

that was the way to describe types or kinds of things in some older english

[rough peak]

ffs I got a 2nd 3 stamina curio

[tranquil fjord]

breed, however, would imply that they were somehow genetically connected

as though they were born out of the same cloth

[rough peak]

I want a 17% toughness curio damn it

[final temple]

I want a +17 stamina curio. you can keep your 3% toughness

[rough peak]

I'm stuck with 16% toughness curios atm

[tranquil fjord]

are the 6 points of toughness necessary

[rough peak]

Yes

for my own peace of mind

[tranquil fjord]

so be it

[rough peak]

I never said I was rational

[tranquil fjord]

you shall be forever forlorn

unfortunately

youd think they would simply add the ability to upgrade curios

[rough peak]

sigh I guess I'll take a 3 stamina curio for now

[tranquil fjord]

it would save us from the grind

[rough peak]

logging in every hour for disappointment

[tranquil fjord]

even if the costs were outright terrible

and it would motivate people to experiment with curios

have different curios for different setups

[rough peak]

giving other people crippling disappointment by getting the curios they want...

[tranquil fjord]

why dont you buy them from melk?

[rough peak]

I'm broke also I'd rather get random weapons for a chance of diamantine

curios only sell for dockets

[tranquil fjord]

do you roll for legendary weapons? or buy them straight from the store

[rough peak]

just get random weapons

Usually a scam, but, sometimes not

[tranquil fjord]

i dont think its worth

ever

[rough peak]

I've gotten enough orange weapons to compensate >.>

plus purple sell for plasteel

[tranquil fjord]

what about havoc crates

they yield good rewards

[rough peak]

I don't play havoc

[tranquil fjord]

it is an invitation to try

[rough peak]

It's not my kind of difficulty

It's better balanced weaves

I hated vt2 weaves

[tranquil fjord]

the lower tiers are not much harder than aurics or damnations

[rough peak]

At that point I can just play a heresy or damnation run

and not have to deal with the extra bs that I don't really care to deal with

[spice cloud]

Believe me i tried that for over 1000 hours.

[rough peak]

I get havoc's appeal. It just doesn't appeal to me

[tranquil fjord]

what other is there to do with dockets

[keen timber]

fuck.

[rough peak]

F

[spice cloud]

True but to this day im waiting on my 3rd 17 tghns for my oggy

Ill never get it

[rough peak]

waste them on random 0% damage weapons in the dockets shop

[spice cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/aww-hell-nahh-aww-hell-aww-hell-nahh-gif-9659330954843262630

[rough peak]

... I don't feel much difference on my rashad with a +3 stamina curio on the attack speed

Maybe a tiny bit

[tranquil fjord]

are you playing with adrenaline frenzy?

[spice cloud]

Doesnt attack speed cap at some point anyway?

[rough peak]

This is without buffs from rampage/frenzy

[tranquil fjord]

all of the attack speed buffs become diminishing

still a positive

[spice cloud]

I honestly never ran a tghnss curio.

Ever

[rough peak]

Frenzy I feel when it procs

[spice cloud]

Or even health i dont like all the other curios.

Except wounds on zealot thats kinda fun.

[rough peak]

Okay I feel the difference without the 6% attack speed on the heavies with frenzy active

slightly

[keen timber]

ok so

for melee scum

with shivs

chem dependancy is ideal right

[tranquil fjord]

pretty much

[keen timber]

rather than adren

[vapid jungle]

Chemical dependency feels better to me.

[spice cloud]

I like adren.

[vapid jungle]

For shivs

[keen timber]

yeah id assume so since they're a crit oriented weapon

I'm running hypercrit, idk if i should run hyperviolence too

or swap so im running violence not crit

[spice cloud]

I have both

[tranquil fjord]

you can take precog instead of riposte with chem dep. on melee scum too

[vapid jungle]

There's probably a methematical answer for that

[keen timber]

is it worth running float like a butterfly too

[tranquil fjord]

they arent excluding each other on melee scum

[keen timber]

hold on ill send my setup

[tranquil fjord]

yeah

always

[spice cloud]

Just take all the melee nodes imo.

[keen timber]

this is setup atm

[tranquil fjord]

imo you should always take float like a butterfly

[keen timber]

what do i drop

[tranquil fjord]

why the grenade node

[keen timber]

oh sorry, im using blackouts rn

[tranquil fjord]

the launcher would kill everything anyhow

ah

[keen timber]

i just clicked through because im used to doing vet trees and that's krak spot

[tranquil fjord]

id recommend stam on dodge for rampage instead of nimble

[keen timber]

I personally really really like nimble

[tranquil fjord]

you arent taking pickpocket

which is fine

they're probably gonna nerf it

[keen timber]

yeah the issue is

chem dep needs like 3-4 nodes

[tranquil fjord]

you can take out the 4 stack node

[keen timber]

yeah

i just did

5% crit vs 20%

[tranquil fjord]

take float like a butterfly

[keen timber]

i might swap forges bellow for pickpocket if i take the setup into havoc

but idk

[bronze glade]

float like a butterfly.... ehhhhhh

if the uptime wasn't so shit

i'd take it more often

[keen timber]

is it really that bad?

[tranquil fjord]

the uptime is not shit though

[rough peak]

Wait hyperviolence is based on overkill damage?

[keen timber]

yeah

[rough peak]

Oh, that explains so much why it's wanted on the caxe x.x

[keen timber]

it can let you keep stacking it up so the next time u hit something big u just unleash the wrath of god onto it

[rough peak]

I didn't understand due to the wording >.>

[bronze glade]

i tested across multiple games and it's typically 30%

[tranquil fjord]

is that within combat?

[bronze glade]

yeah

uptime mod only tracks within combat uptime

[keen timber]

that's pretty shit yeah

[bronze glade]

if it was like reciprocity (talent OR blessing) it'd be much better

it's fine as a precog like talent tho

if you dodge a crusher overhead or something

[vapid jungle]

Pickpocket is so strong.

[keen timber]

ehhh

only really with the needle pistol

other than that it's very good

but psyker exists

[tranquil fjord]

i always see it active in my games with crit chance shown

[vapid jungle]

If you're min maxing its a take every time. You don't need to take ammo.

[keen timber]

it is on ranged setups

[dire badge]

im lookin for na extra dmg for melee node and im thinkin the backstabin one on left tree, what yall think

[vapid jungle]

Any setup

You leave space for others to take your ammo.

Because you no longer need it

Youre a staff psyker from an ammo economy perspective.

[keen timber]

are u talking about scum?

or zealot

[tranquil fjord]

its not very active imo

[dire badge]

looks at chat name scum

[tranquil fjord]

you might see some use if you really hate beasts of nurgle

[keen timber]

ramping backstabs isnt really that good

yeah

i forgot it existed ngl

[dire badge]

this is what im talkin about. ik ammo on the left s infinite mamo but tryin to play away form taht

in preps for a nerf ot it

[keen timber]

what weapon are u using

[tranquil fjord]

its not hard to get the buff if you are specifically fishing for it? but i dont think its a much noticeable buff

[keen timber]

it's backstabs only tho

[dire badge]

shivs n needle

[keen timber]

which is kinda shit ass uptime

[keen timber]

u do not need like half of those nodes

u dont need either of the cleave nodes

[tranquil fjord]

i dont think you would ever need ramping backstabs imo

[dire badge]

for hsvs? yah u you do

[keen timber]

and shivs will benefit more from the crit in chem dep over adren

50% of fuck all is still fuck all