hivescum-class

[pseudo harbor]

Shock mine every 90 seconds 🙏

[upbeat gyro]

Infinite shock mines, yeah

[exotic temple]

Toxin mania is ok what usually ends up happening is when you are dealing with chaff it’s easy to keep up but as soon as they start dying off it turns into more mental stack than it’s worth to keep up.

[upbeat gyro]

Meanwhile the dog electro blitz goes off in wrong room when you need it

[pseudo harbor]

FUCK

[fallen crypt]

But pupby

[spark gyro]

I'm gonna try to get some levels into my scum cause I keep hearing abt the needle pistol and how cracked it is

[upbeat gyro]

All it takes is pick pocket to work for infinite ammo

So beeline to that and try it out

[spark gyro]

I'm level 14 so I got time before unlocking it I also like zipping about and shanking people lmao

[upbeat gyro]

Its good sidearm for shanking people

14 talents is exactly when you have enough to get it first time

[spark gyro]

Also the bone saw is good right?

[exotic temple]

When armor comes in you can’t as easily cleave stuff so it’s more difficult to keep stack up. I use pocket toxin blinders in that case but I’m using three talent points at that point to keep a certain interaction going.

[spark gyro]

I've only used the shanks so far and they've been pretty fun

[pseudo harbor]

Yeah

[exotic temple]

Bonesaw is an acquired taste. It works well with the right side of the tree

[pseudo harbor]

It's fun it's good

[exotic temple]

I like it but some people don’t like the sticky h1

[pseudo harbor]

Fair point actually

[exotic temple]

I think it’s worth because it counts as 2hits and I’ve noticed if you crit with the first attack the second attack usually crits so 90% enemies die outright or to the 4-6 toxin stacks they get

[upbeat gyro]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0cdb3a7-6ff2-420d-b136-62a30ba468e7/lvl-15-needler

[pseudo harbor]

Does it work well with Coated Weaponry?

[upbeat gyro]

At 15 you can test it while keeping rampage for melee, sure its barebones, but you can then add some talents once you level to rampage and Battering Strikes and Hive City Brawler

[spark gyro]

Bet thank you bro

I'm gonna try out the bone saw then after this match I'll remake my build

[pseudo harbor]

I only use this talent with crowbar to make this dogshit better but it's not enough

[spark gyro]

Crowbar needs a rework tbh it's a bit too janky atm

[upbeat gyro]

Just click the + button so you can duplicate your current and change it to that so less hassle switching

[pseudo harbor]

Yeah

[exotic temple]

It’s dealers choice. Getting that 3rd stack in chaff as you are clearing hordes helps with clear time

[pseudo harbor]

It's one of the reasons why hivescum are weak

[exotic temple]

But it’s not be better than say hyper crit or pickpocket so it’s worth sacrificing to get better talents

[vapid jungle]

Leave my crowbar alone.

Those animations are glorious

[pseudo harbor]

Yes, but it makes a man cry because of how badly the damage is

[livid raven]

crowbar has been hit by the power falchion curse

[exotic temple]

It’s. It really not that big of an issue because rampage basically makes every melee weapon valid.

[pseudo harbor]

I remember taking a deep breath, throwing down the weapon, and take Shivs another mark instead

[vapid jungle]

Doing nothing better than alternatives?

[livid raven]

yesssss

[upbeat gyro]

Battering Momentum worth it for Bonesaw for more horde clear?

[exotic temple]

So if you don’t like crowbar caxe and chaxe both can kill crushers stupid fast

[exotic temple]

Yeah it’s almost a requirement

[vapid jungle]

The special activation is fun to me. But I love optimizing swing patterns per situation. Also the pull down on a crusher is just hnnng.

[pseudo harbor]

I KNOW. But I was trying to milk all the new class weapons.

I can't

[exotic temple]

Yeah but one shotting crushers is also fun

[pseudo harbor]

Yeah

[spark gyro]

My current build is a mess ngl lol

[upbeat gyro]

Now the choice is between Quick and Deadly or Coated Weaponry for last talent

[pseudo harbor]

That's why i don't play half-life 2 again after

[upbeat gyro]

Same when leveling few days ago

[spark gyro]

I've tried to avoid using a build but I'm gonna have to cave to the meta after seeing my mate 2 shot chaos ogryns yesterday

[exotic temple]

And I don’t think crowbar is really that bad. Reginald put his clear times with different weapons and classes and crowbar was up there in clear time into armor groups

[pseudo harbor]

There are worse weapons than crowbar, but you know.

They can fix it

But nobody can fix heavy sword for example

[spark gyro]

Bone saw is fun tho but I definitely enjoy the shivs more

[upbeat gyro]

My build is no longer slippery and jittery

[exotic temple]

I think the sentiment is people use crowbar go ewww sticky animations and never learn to get max use out of it

[exotic temple]

Heavy sword rampage is actually a lot of fun.

[pseudo harbor]

Nah I'm not gonna try this

[exotic temple]

Rampage fixes a lot of weapons that don’t work well on other classes

And it’s like oh no there is a crusher let me pull out my needle gun or rpg and delete with zero threat

And minimal resource allocation

[vapid jungle]

Zealot can!

[pseudo harbor]

I wish we can try it when it's was 150% power

[exotic temple]

For real

[pseudo harbor]

With martydom?

I'm not that good actually

[exotic temple]

I wish they’d have dropped the stupid debuff when they dropped the dmg down

[pseudo harbor]

Fr

[vapid jungle]

Yea but fotf grants rending on attack which covers for heavy swords weakness. You won't clear rooms of crushers but its something.

[exotic temple]

The upside is 90% of the time everything that is a problem is dead by time rampage time run out

And you have stims

[pseudo harbor]

It's stupid like the movement speed penalty with Arbites

[exotic temple]

Yeah I understand trying to find interesting ways to balance strong abilities but zero Stam and increased damage and stamina regen nerfed is a lot for what we have now

[pseudo harbor]

I mean. Who will use castigator stance over break the line

(me)

[echo python]

What arbites movement speed penalty?

[trim wind]

Casti makes you power jog

Can't sprint

[echo python]

I guess

[trim wind]

But doesn't really matter since you take 0 dmg

[echo python]

Not like you're going to sprint in most situations where you're using castigator's though

[pseudo harbor]

I mean. You don't gain any advantages other than that you don't die with the most God toughness Regan class in game

Bro just spit on your dog and here we go you gain 15% toughness back

[spark gyro]

For a toxin build should I also take potent tox?

[echo python]

Potent Tox is necessary in order to access the bottom-right part of the tree, which is presumably what you want to do with a toxin build

[spark gyro]

Yeahhhh I've gone into all of the bottom 3 trees (mostly for pickpocket and punching above ones weight)

[trim wind]

Up to 50% power from elite kills and reloaded ammo if you take the nodes

[echo python]

Coated Weaponry will make your bonesaw apply even more toxin (it also lets you use high-crit chance weapons like shivs for a tox build as well), Toxin Mania will improve your toxin damage.

[vapid jungle]

Do perks on needle pistol increase dot damage?

Or is it like the damage stat and only effects projectile impact

[exotic temple]

I think they affect the dot damage.

[muted pivot]

I think your DoTs are affected by whatever perks of whatever weapon you have equipped at that moment

[vapid jungle]

Okie ty!

[muted pivot]

I.e. no snapshotting

[fallen crypt]

Yeah not using the infantry gun with hive scum again

[torpid cloud]

Infantry autogun is good tho

[cursive zinc]

What's the curio default now?
I thought it used to be tough /w tough,health,gun resist on each

[exotic temple]

I don’t think there is a settled curio loadout

[upbeat gyro]

Ability cooldown reduction and ally revive are big too

Then some of the more seasoned players seem to often have things like stamina efficiency in the mix too

[cursive zinc]

I've not changed curio since the game launch. I imagine things like havok change the game a bit

[exotic temple]

I don’t understand Stamina efficiency. The Stam Regen on the class seems high enough

[dim moth]

triple stamina swift endurance

no balls

[exotic temple]

There’s a breakpoint in hp where you dont get one shot by bursters or snipers but aside from that you have leeway to do whatever you want

[eager reef]

usually it's to do something very specific

[vast yoke]

ngl I just do 2 gunner res, 1 hp perk, 3 tgh perks, and 3 revive speeds

i don't really get hit by bursters or snipers though, gotta triple stack revive speed since I'm usually the last one alive when everyone's dying for stupid reasons lmao

I was told that 1 hp perk is enough but I kinda doubt that

[final temple]

3 toughness, 3 hp, 2 gunner, 1 revive

[rough peak]

for 23 more hp

which is nice

[final temple]

technically, 1 5% hp is all you need. but I am a dummy thicc and the clasp of my ass cheeks keeps alerting the heretics

[rough peak]

8 more hp

[brittle sierra]

We sharing curio stats?

😀

[final temple]

pants down, measuring contest!

[brittle sierra]

Pants down?

Why not pants up?

[final temple]

yeah, dont you keep your curios in your prison pocket?

[brittle sierra]

Nope

[final temple]

damn.

[brittle sierra]

I take 2 tough 1 stam for main

For perks:

3 stam Regen
3 gunner resist
3 toughness

I am very smart 🤓

[rough peak]

Not enough stamina regen!

[brittle sierra]

Truuuuuu

[rough peak]

You might not have full stamina in 1 second

[eager reef]

i also run 2 tough and 1 stam

i find the extra stamina feels nicer to play with than not

[brittle sierra]

Oh the stamina is just for the attack speed

If it wasn't for that, I would take 3 toughness

[eager reef]

but i run with 3x hp/toughness then a gunner resist, stamina regen and revive speed

i use that on pysker and vet too

[cursive zinc]

Swift / endurance is waht exactly? Unless there is a joke thrown in there

[rough peak]

2% attack speed per stamina

[cursive zinc]

Ah. I forgot about the stamina stuff. Does the dmg red work with stamina stacks as well?

[eager reef]

iirc a single stam curi on scum takes you to 9/10 stacks

with dclaw anyway

[rough peak]

iirc I calculated the max scum can get on the crowbar with a 2 stamina perk on the crowbar is +86%/88% attack speed with a full bottom left stim, rampage, and adrenaline frenzy

and 3 3 stamina curios

[eager reef]

as is it's easy to hit the point the not using my scrol wheel to light attack costs me dps

[rough peak]

[eager reef]

reminds me of playing skill speed monk in ffxiv

[dim moth]

all that and the crowbar still ain't gonna kill shit

that weapon is all the mid of the shovel with none of the broken blessings

[eager reef]

hope it catches a giga buff

[rough peak]

the best thing it does is making shooting crushers not a waste of ammo with the dual uzis

[eager reef]

bc i really want to like it

[rough peak]

I like how the cc on it feels

but I am not a huge fan of cc

[vivid wedge]

Yeah but the poopsaw probably does that better in reality

[subtle zenith]

The dual stub pistols are a blast

[eager reef]

i adore the idea of some chaos middle manager getting his shit rocked by a meth addict wielding a crowbar

[subtle zenith]

That is a very pleasant vision

[rough peak]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-grimes-rick-grimes-the-walking-dead-rick-the-walking-dead-rick-grimes-twd-rick-twd-gif-26122601

this but crowbar

[eager reef]

when we do assassinationm missions that's kinda what we are doing

the captains are basically middle management

as an aside i hope we get more improv weapons for scum

esp if it lets them add weapons move sets from vermintide

like halberds for example

[subtle zenith]

A needle minigun

[eager reef]

or spears

[rough peak]

poisonous spears

[vivid wedge]

I am excited to try melee Dclaw build in high havoc, been playing desperado for like 200 levels straight

[rough peak]

chem toxin on a spear could go hard

[eager reef]

dclaw is fun

i like it alot with scum

[subtle zenith]

Yeah currently playing mostly ranged scum, as I basically get tapped

[eager reef]

and it could jsut be like a broken pipe sharpened to a point

[rough peak]

Yeah

That would be hilarious to use

[vivid wedge]

I think a spear in this game would be sick if it gave you noticable reach

[eager reef]

"what's the matter bud, got something in your eye?"

i think scum is a good place to test some of them

as a rusty pipe spear is in character

[rough peak]

Yep

[eager reef]

i want, but wont get twin axes

[rough peak]

dual taxes would be cool

[eager reef]

scrap axe kinda deal

[rough peak]

they'd have to try pretty hard to screw up dual taxes

[final temple]

FS: ‘hold my armasec’

[eager reef]

jsut copy it from vermintide tbh

[rough peak]

exactly

[candid flint]

the concept art guy released art on instagram of hivescum

with some sort of glaive thing

[eager reef]

might be between a spear and halberd

[candid flint]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DTTPCZ1jM5r/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

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spear halberd thing

[eager reef]

wait that

is more like naginata

oh no

fuck what's it called

[candid flint]

i know what it is

spear halberd thing

[rough peak]

It looks like just a spear tbh

[subtle zenith]

Glaive?

[rough peak]

maybe

It's got the side spikes like a spear could have

[candid flint]

wow. ty for your honesty man. crazy, insane take. but wicked brave of you to be honest, in this moment. i thank you for that.

[rough peak]

lol

[rough peak]

I know, bold of me to go where no man has gone before

[eager reef]

it's like a mix of a paritsan and yari

https://www.instagram.com/art.of.migueliglesias/p/DSXyfRWDIAY/

now this thing looks cool

[rough peak]

Yeah

[eager reef]

i hope we get both

[tranquil fjord]

chain glaive...

hopium fuels me

[subtle zenith]

Chain axe with extra steps

[rough peak]

gets stabbed, followed by getting sawed from the inside

[tranquil fjord]

weve had a chainaxe in the files for a while

as well as the mastery icon

[rough peak]

and a mid-axe in game

ogryn chain-axe when?

Can you imagine a crusher with a chainaxe?

[trim wind]

just an icon as i recall

[candid flint]

uh yeah.. it is iconic

weird take but whatever ig

[subtle zenith]

Ogryn chainfists

[tranquil fjord]

i doubt ogryn would get a chainaxe

[rough peak]

Same, but, crushers getting them would be intimidating

[tranquil fjord]

they already have another enemy equivalent weapon that we havent gotten yet

the crusher maul

[subtle zenith]

A piece of concrete on a stick

[rough peak]

Pretty effective when a 5 ton brute smashes you with it

[subtle zenith]

I've noticed yeah

Ouch

[tranquil fjord]

hundreds of pounds of carapace armor dont mean anything when the neck cant bear the force of two cubic feet of concrete coming down

[warm dust]

today in the local conclave radio music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CflEDeaTtJA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-CjKZBlXrA&list=RDX-CjKZBlXrA&start_radio=1

[cursive zinc]

There is a certain amount of irony in seeing someone talk smack about carrying, get clubbed the first two downs in under 90 seconds, then leave XD

[cursive zinc]

This is good

[warm dust]

that why we hive scum we are the super villain because we are badass !

[rough peak]

When I'm carrying I'm too focused on carrying to talk smack

[cursive zinc]

They declared it before the map even started. Normally everyone in this game is chill XD

[cursive zinc]

I am like the supporter build on toxins.

[rough peak]

sigh

Yeah normally everyone is chill

even in bad lobbies

[pine shell]

Is Shredder worth using over dual autos?

[rough peak]

Not really

[bronze glade]

i like it

[rough peak]

It is good at what it does

and is more stable when braced

[bronze glade]

if you want to invest into crits

SAP is a waaaay better option than DAP

[rough peak]

ig that yeah

[dim moth]

much better crit

also more accurate I think?

[rough peak]

Yeah the braced fire is way more stable

[pine shell]

Cool

Any tips on how to gain the Enhanced penance? I'm not sure why, but it isn't going up at all for me.

[upbeat gyro]

Take hits first

Fire on ground? Roll on it and do drugs while at it, the Hivescum style

[bronze glade]

i love losing because the arbitrator blows up a poxburster in my face, killing me

[candid flare]

"Do drugs and walk through fire, it's good for you"

[hollow garnet]

He mandated an edict and acted it out

[tranquil fjord]

shoot a barrel near them

[bronze glade]

can't

we lost the game because the team folded like wet tissue paper after i went down

[hollow garnet]

Im actually thinking of buying arbitrator class

[bronze glade]

it's strong

much easier to play than HIV

not much synergy with other classes tho

[hollow garnet]

Whats HIV

[bronze glade]

stds

and the class hive scum

[hollow garnet]

That's why I'm kinda iffy on buying it

Cuz it seems to strong

And I see arbitrator evey time I join the game

[tranquil fjord]

its strong enough to crutch you on mistakes

[livid raven]

it's not stronger than hivescum

that's for sure

[tranquil fjord]

its just that the crutch isnt enough to save you if you're genuinely not thinking

[livid raven]

actually kinda mid after the talent tree reworks and hivescum

[hollow garnet]

I just don't want people to see me playing arbitrator and go like "ehhh he's using crutch class this guy sucks"

[subtle zenith]

But isn't psyker the strongest? I sometimes have games where I'm basically just an observer cause psyker goes wild

[tranquil fjord]

dont suck while playing arbitrator then

[livid raven]

Psyker, Veteran, hivescum

i think they all have a claim for being better

[hollow garnet]

I haven't even played him yet

[hollow garnet]

How do I do that

What even is his shtick

[tranquil fjord]

aggressive frontliner with a lot of dr and crowd control

can struggle a little with pure damage at times

[subtle zenith]

Doggo

[hollow garnet]

Whats DR

[livid raven]

damage resistance

[tranquil fjord]

damage resistance

[livid raven]

Dead Rising

[tranquil fjord]

also very easy ways to get toughness back while in combat

[sharp dune]

Hey does anyone know what option to pick with the “creature spawner” mod, in order to spawn the trials?

[hollow garnet]

Is there a dogless perk tree

[tranquil fjord]

yes

[subtle zenith]

Why would you tho

[tranquil fjord]

dogless is an option, it gives you some stat buffs

[hollow garnet]

Good

[tranquil fjord]

and grenade regen

[subtle zenith]

But but but doggo

[hollow garnet]

I don't like the dog

Not cuz its ugly or something

[tranquil fjord]

muh heckin pupper you didnt take the pupper!!!

[hollow garnet]

Feels too strong for my liking

[near mauve]

its not stronger than any of the others

lol

[hollow garnet]

An entity that stunlocks any human sized enemy

Like damn

[tranquil fjord]

thats specifically shock mine

[hollow garnet]

What about arbitrators personalities

[tranquil fjord]

arbites can still lack pure damage compared to other classes

[upbeat gyro]

https://youtu.be/yXJ-RUZHV3g?si=RSMmxDYfDsIRyAZY

[hollow garnet]

Is there any way to change it

[upbeat gyro]

Wish these included talent trees

[near mauve]

arbite does not lack in dmg

[tranquil fjord]

authoritarian is by the book and jovial with other rejects, he doesnt harbor anything prejudiced but he still serves order

[hollow garnet]

What does jovial mean

[tranquil fjord]

execution order, bolter

[hollow garnet]

Ooo bolter I likey

[subtle zenith]

Maybe more of a conversation for the arbiter page?

[hollow garnet]

Is he the most reasonable one that knows the system is corrupt but sees it as necessary evil?

[tranquil fjord]

no, thats fatalist

[upbeat gyro]

How dare you.gif

[near mauve]

errrm guys its off topic!!!

[hollow garnet]

I thought we were at the arbiter lol

[tranquil fjord]

all of them are aware of that but fatalist dwells on it the most

[subtle zenith]

No tithe rats here

[hollow garnet]

Let me guess the maul is the hater

[tranquil fjord]

maul is the most outwardly aggressive

[hollow garnet]

And does mandated edicts

[hollow garnet]

And has the coolest voice

[tranquil fjord]

excessive and orderly dogma

the others build team rapport and fear whilst the maul builds, mostly, fear

[upbeat gyro]

Fatalist had dirty Harry tired cop vibes

[hollow garnet]

And authoritarian?

Fatalist is tired
Maul is punisher

[upbeat gyro]

Wish i had the trenchcoat for it

[tranquil fjord]

the authoritarian is cheerful and friendly

[hollow garnet]

Really??

[tranquil fjord]

well, comparatively

[hollow garnet]

Is he kinda like that psyker personality

[tranquil fjord]

they dont shout mandated edicts

[hollow garnet]

What do they shout

Friendship is magic?

[tranquil fjord]

https://youtu.be/j7c_QbmGlqg?si=Knjti5u0GTjnZ-El

some of all of the personalities' interactions with other rejects

[hollow garnet]

I see

The authoritarian sounds surprisingly sane and reasonable for an arbites

[grand shard]

Seriously Fatshark? What kind of censorship level is there now?

[subtle zenith]

Yeah we can't have murder in our murder game

[grand shard]

guess that's how I roll.

[subtle zenith]

Nice

[hollow garnet]

They censor the "god damn" too

[cedar cairn]

I wasn't allowed to name my Arbites SesbianLex either

[hollow garnet]

Bruhhh

[cedar cairn]

Fatshark sez

[neon fern]

can't even put numbers in the name

https://tenor.com/view/metrocop-banging-shield-skeleton-combine-gif-17851387339862992814

[grand shard]

wait what? How does it work with green stim? Free team-wide healing and wound removal each 60 seconds? or does it consume the stim?
(yeah, I missed release of Hive Scum, due to all other game releases, so I'm late to the party).

[brittle sierra]

Yes

[grand shard]

yes to all, i.e. consuming the stim?

[brittle sierra]

Yes

[grand shard]

k ty

[nova valley]

It consumes the stim, sadly

[grand shard]

that makes sense

[brittle sierra]

But there is no reason to not use stimm lab

Stimm lab buffs are better and don't require you to pick up the stimms

[tranquil fjord]

youd have to forgo the stim lab, and the crate already removes corruption

[grand shard]

what's stim lab

[brittle sierra]

But yes u could technically give the entire team a green stimm using the crate

[tranquil fjord]

you unlock it at level 5?

hive scum gets their own customizable stim

[nova valley]

You unlock it at lvl 5 if I remember correctly

[grand shard]

oh, that thing above. okay, I guess that class requires some more reading to do, compared to everyone else

[nova valley]

Brew stuff, get buffs

[grand shard]

but i'm here for this thing and glass cannon in general.
She CAN be built as glass cannon right?

[livid raven]

she can't be built as anything except that

[bronze glade]

eh hiv can be reasonably tanky

[nova valley]

Boom bringer is the best 💙

[bronze glade]

i've survived crusher overheads in auric

[prime violet]

Virgin boom bringer vs Chad blackout

[grand shard]

okay, let me rephrase.
She can be built as a "berserk" archetype, at least looking from her theme.
edit: nvm, rampage is literally berserk. as is Desperado.
damn I'm looking forward to Desperado, seems fun.

[cedar cairn]

The efficient blackout vs the hilarious Boom-Bringer

Desperado is more Scryer's Gaze but Better than berserker mode

[bronze glade]

SG is stronger in terms of actual buffs provided

though desperado is very silly

[brittle sierra]

Yeah Desperado doesn't scale well into Havoc

Because it doesn't matter how many range buffs you stack if you can't kill crushers with it

[tranquil fjord]

how should i build ranged focus hivescum with vraks iag

[fervent flint]

is sweet spot worth to run with DAP

[mighty belfry]

Eh

Don't think its worth the talent point.

DAPs don't have the greatest finesse.

[tranquil fjord]

dont think it changes any breakpoints against enemies

[exotic temple]

Dw shovels….

[tranquil fjord]

or helps that much in damage against bosses

[exotic temple]

Partisan?

[tranquil fjord]

power partisan...

darktide has no polearms and that makes me sad

[exotic temple]

They had chain glaives in some concept art and there are a bunch of different ones in necromunda

So fingers crossed we get a chain polearm

[spice cloud]

God the chainsword with rampage us busted.

I never knew

Just played a round and DAMN

Did not expect that.

[final temple]

you know what I want? mancatcher flamer combo. just to make those trappers taste their own medicine. it exists in ‘munda. we should have it!

[upbeat gyro]

I saw that name

Probably why it got denied, already in use

[final temple]

I am not sure FS enforces unique names.

[novel oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-spin-fan-rope-gif-25248314

[novel oracle]

Thing bad cuz no nuke crushers

Holy shit dude

[spiral horizon]

they do not afaik

[novel oracle]

Not only does the rending make it capable if youre hard pressed, you have a melee and 3 other teammates

[dim moth]

that's fine just kill literally everything else with no risk because you are an inferno psyker with triple the mobility, and just as much ability to ignore game mechanics

and if there really are crushers and your bum ass teammates can't handle it

Use your fucking rocket launcher dumbass

or melee them

melee always works

[brittle sierra]

Hey at least I take sampler in my builds 😈

[final temple]

the church demands boom.

[trim wind]

ok but what if i can't switch weapons or use blitz? checkmate

[brittle sierra]

Truuuu just melee everything

[brave beacon]

support scum questions...
stem lab... if you go only one tree you can drop a "full power" box roughly 15-20 secs faster then the normal box cool down...

if you go 2 full trees your dropping a box when ever it comes off its normal cool down but some of them drops are going to be week and when your stem refreshes the 2nd box will be stronger...

can some one tell me what the advantage is to the "weak box / strong box" playstile... im not seeing it

[trim wind]

can't im stuck on my daps

[faint fossil]

just use the strongest box so you can call yourself a support while in reality you are out dpsing the rest of the team

by using the buffs on yourself

and making it seem like you are a team player

[dim moth]

strong box will come back in ~30 seconds if you ain't playin' like a bitch

a one tree box should always be back in less than 15 seconds if you want full uptime

[brittle sierra]

I did however love going explosive bolt pistol in my havoc runs

[dim moth]

https://fximgur.com/a/Eh5IHZh the cooldown isn't reaaaaaaaaal

[brittle sierra]

But having to reload every 2 seconds make me wonder if I could just shiv everything in that time 😔

[faint fossil]

its awesome getting a team with another scum and him having a short cooldown stim

[brave beacon]

so ive ben running an only dmg tree stem... and have a full power box like every 20-25 secs

[faint fossil]

i just have my box up all the time

[brave beacon]

so only like 10ish secs of not having the buff

[final temple]

the only times you would drop a ‘weak’ box as you call it is to either combat corruption creep or - if you use chem dep - to maintain stacks.

[dim moth]

you are never and I mean never going to see a box have a shorter than 60 seconds with chem dependency

[brave beacon]

ok so yes when i use a 2 tree box i run in to blite problems

[brave beacon]

what are you talking about?

[dim moth]

this

you can effortlessly maintain chem dep stacks with box because its base cooldown is already 60 seconds

so even a single stack makes the cooldown shorter than the stack decay

[brave beacon]

true

im not trying to be rude but im also not understanding how this be came part of the conversation tho

im just saying that to me more up time on one tree seems like it would be a better boon then the week / strong box play that a 2 tree stem gets you

[spice cloud]

Box isnt weak

Neither is chem dep

[brave beacon]

again this is assuming your on a blite map

and need to keep max corruption immunity up

[final temple]

there is no weak/strong box play. That is what we tried to tell you. you don’t have to drop a ‘weak’ box.

[spice cloud]

Perma 20% cdr dr and crit is pretty goated imo

Plus perma buffing team

[eager reef]

i only use chem dep bc i love more crit

[final temple]

you can play with just str/crit/rending tree or add speed/stamina or cdr. either choice leads to you casually boosting team strength considerably.

[spice cloud]

Nothing like injecting drugs into your ogryn.

And sneakily lacing the arbites lunch

[final temple]

it also depends on the team setup. some people prefer being able to spam their ability so adding cdr is more than welcome. other times people really need that stun immunity to brute force minigames

[dim moth]

boosting MY strength by giving me access to a full stimm all the goddamn time

and my teammates can touch it and get buffs too ig

it ain't for them

but they can leech off my ability

if they want

[final temple]

shush. we are supposed to pretend to do it for the team xD

[spice cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/i-need-the-drugs-theemeraldminecart15-dr-house-i-need-the-drug-dr-house-gif-3992912089589129209

[idle ore]

2 no rotten armors in a row

now i get cursed with rotten + blight

[fervent flint]

is ammo jack good or waste of point

[idle ore]

its not horrible but generally better to path swift endurance > hypercritical > pickpocket

[brave beacon]

its nice on the vrax to max up time on despo

im not sure i would use it on any other wep since you want to be reloading alot to trigger calling for a time out

[upbeat gyro]

Nvm you guys talked it after i read further

[fervent flint]

what should be the purpose of my shiv if i run DAP build

i feel like running bleed on it

[mighty belfry]

Single target.

Don't go bleed.

[main wagon]

This footage is what knife zealots thought they looked like back at launch

Also

https://tenor.com/view/shaking-the-black-hokage-super-nervous-super-anxious-literally-shaking-gif-25126128

I can feel every press of your LMB in that video lmao

[neat trout]

why is my stupid hive holding needle pistol sideways when im trying to shoot through a fence?

[bronze glade]

https://tenor.com/view/gangsta-thug-life-9mm-rap-slovakia-gif-16234344

[fervent flint]

should i run precog and uncanny?

for crushers mainly cause its my biggest obstacle when i run out of blitz

[brittle sierra]

Uncanny riposte

[unique dagger]

IDK what dap build is but uncanny riposte is goated

on shivs

its what I'm using for my true havoc 40 solo on enclavum rn

[fervent flint]

dual autopistol focused build basically just ranged

[karmic summit]

thoughts on crowbar alt attack I use it with can opener rampage and it seems very weak against crushers and maulers how should I be using it?

[brittle sierra]

Crowbar in general is cheeks 🍑

[bronze glade]

well cbar is good against cara

but it's pretty bad elsehwere

[candid flint]

crowbar, like most melee weapons, can be brute forced into being pretty decent (not amazing, like shivs), on rampage/adrenaline builds

but shivs will always be better in pretty much every way

i prefer crowbar cuz shivs just feel too easy

[bronze glade]

shiv with 9 stam feels like cheating

[candid flint]

it feels like cheating without it

[trim wind]

i don't use any melee weapons they encourage bad habits

[broken bear]

i only use revolver bash else its cheating

[keen timber]

I don't use any weapons period.

[candid flint]

play psyker, swap to brain burst/smite, but dont use

just run around the whole game empty handed

npc escort mode

[wheat tendon]

Feels like we're a rogue class

[vale viper]

are we not lol

[trim wind]

i play as a druid

[brittle sierra]

I play as a drug dealer

[deft haven]

That's what I love best about the class. I'm just wishing I could wrap my head around these conversations better. Other classes seem to have guides and For Dummies sections... I'm just "Uhhhh zoomies shiv spam" but like... Badly.

[brittle sierra]

I think Scum has more skill to get used to than Psyker

I know that is a low bar, but we gotta start somewhere 😈

[vale viper]

totally

[dim moth]

alchemists, gunslingers, and knife wielding maniacs all fall under the umbrella of rogue yeah

[vale viper]

just had some arbi with dog talk shit about me going down

how feel

[deft haven]

Just pick me back up, Bootlick

[brittle sierra]

Why are you down in the first place?

[exotic temple]

It’s going to depend on your crit rate. If you already hit 70ish % crit rate adding finesse is more dps than more crit rate

[vale viper]

because scum has more skill to get used to than psyker

[deft haven]

Poor diet, overstimulation.

[wheat tendon]

You ever just rush into a horde and use your akimbo SMGs? That's like the best feeling

[brittle sierra]

Tru 😔

[wheat tendon]

probably overdosing as well

(we need that as a mechanic, so we aren't spamming drugs)

[vale viper]

may be dumb question but does needle pistol not do anything against shields

like karnak shields

[brittle sierra]

The dots get applied but they don't get health damage until the shield goes down

[vale viper]

does it damage the shield tho

[wheat tendon]

They are needles.. why would they go through shields?

[brittle sierra]

Yes but the tick only doesn't do much damage to the shield, regardless of the amount of stacks

[exotic temple]

If you are running hv you can try smashing some trash mobs to get hv stacks then heavy spam into crusher head

It should 4 shot auric crusher without hv tho.

[vale viper]

Ohh okok thanks

[livid raven]

specialist gauntlet scab only mostly melee enemies no ammo pickup maelstrom was a bit dumb

[eager reef]

wow, people in havoc 1-10 are jsut worse tahn malice gamers

what the fuck

[flat mist]

i appreciate that FS had the foresight to let you run a 45s CD stim with maxed out chems without sample collector

(or a 75s CD without maxed out chems)

[eager reef]

this pysker has 5 wounds

[wheat tendon]

chat how much drugs is too many drugs?

[wild anchor]

Never enough

[wheat tendon]

🤔

[flat mist]

infinity divided by zero is undefined

[wheat tendon]

so you are telling me to take all of it

[flat mist]

try and take more if possible

[wheat tendon]

boss is about to get pissed if he finds me ODed on the floor

[final temple]

then it’s the boss’ problem.

[wild anchor]

It's in your job description to drug up

[wheat tendon]

yes and kill arbites along with imperial guards

fucking pigs

[flat mist]

thats the arbites job

[exotic temple]

If you still breath then it’s not too much

[karmic summit]

What are the commonly considered the best melee weps for havoc rn I wanna give em all a try and see what I like best

[brittle sierra]

For scum, probably shivs and combat axe

[karmic summit]

Shivs for sure gotta be num1 aint given the combat axe a try yet does the mark matter?

[brittle sierra]

Nah I think Combat Axe is the peak weapon

Shivs is "safer"

Rashad is the best mark

[bronze glade]

mk1 for shiv, rashad for caxe

[final temple]

bonesaw supremacy

[karmic summit]

ty

[eager reef]

once you learn the thing it's nice

[steel briar]

🗣️ Stims, come get em while they're fresh!

[exotic temple]

Reginald had bonesaw with a faster clear time in his tests than taxe and caxe…. I dunno I haven’t sat down and tried it but that seems off

[low harbor]

Poxwalkers, possible
Bruisers & elites, doubt it

[karmic summit]

what's the thing?

[final temple]

The way of the saw that bones.

[exotic temple]

https://youtu.be/xgW5eEJaIU0?si=Se20dClbHLs9-z_D

I think he has the weapons at 14:00 mark

[exotic temple]

Crushers and maulers it’s a gap of 10 sec which seems…..like a very large gap

[low harbor]

His spreadsheet looks so cursed

[gusty grotto]

How in the fartshark is this a transcendent cosmetic?

[final temple]

the better the scum the less he needs armor

[exotic temple]

Something seems a miss. I’m a bonesaw simp but I find it hard to believe there is that kind of gap

[low harbor]

And man a lot of those numbers are pretty off

I wouldn’t trust it like

At all lol

[bronze glade]

like the clear time numbers?

[low harbor]

Well first off his power sword test has slaughterer

So like that’s already super skewed

His axe test also says rampage + dependency

Which is like

[livid raven]

He always hypes up shit like this

[low harbor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1459272363664347248/cooking-does-he-know.gif

[near mauve]

he's not the gospel tbf

[low harbor]

And just fyi

[near mauve]

just a reference

[low harbor]

Rashad is 10~12s vs 10 maulers (rampage, adrenaline)

[near mauve]

im pretty sure he'll update his stats if people send him better ones

[low harbor]

Yes 10-12s

I’m not joking

And the biggest variation for this is due to enemy spread from slot mechanic

[livid raven]

I don't think the bonesaw is this fantastic misunderstood weapon

[low harbor]

And this is melee only

No gun

No AoE

[lapis raft]

i cant even comprehend what is he trying to do on that bonesaw setup ngl

[low harbor]

I think every melee weapon test should be melee weapon only

No blitz

[lapis raft]

booby trap while skipping practiced deployment, and also skipping practiced deployment in general

[low harbor]

No gun

[bronze glade]

well

this is all justifying my decision to not watch reginald videos

[low harbor]

At least that’s all my tests

[near mauve]

reginald is still better than like all of them

[bronze glade]

sounds like he's less clueless than mr. e

[near mauve]

who else even makes decent vids

[bronze glade]

but not exactly a trustworthy source

[near mauve]

riyken?

[bronze glade]

for testing content i only watch ryken

[low harbor]

Being better than the worst doesn’t mean he gets a passing grade

[bronze glade]

i don't really care for ryken's builds tho

it's mostly his testing content that's good

[low harbor]

Everything below kuli guide tier is not getting a pass for me

Including my own guide

[near mauve]

ryken's channels feels like its goated if you're starting

[bronze glade]

he goes pretty in-depth on some things

[livid raven]

Kuli makes builds?

[bronze glade]

like h40 breakpoints for boombringer with tox

like idk anyone testing that shit except him

[low harbor]

U don’t even need to test that

Most breakpoints can be easily calculated

[bronze glade]

and he doesn't test in weird ways like what it sounds like regi is doing here

[low harbor]

Reginald tests are basically just lols

[bronze glade]

well it'd still need to be checked, which doesn't sound like anyone was doing

[bronze glade]

going off ~vibes~

[low harbor]

Nah as long as u know how damage is calculated it’s just easily done

[near mauve]

vibe testing best testing

[low harbor]

U can check one or two just to verify

But it’s basically always accurate

[bronze glade]

i'm saying i don't think anyone even calculated it either

[near mauve]

he summons the mobs in a map and fights them in a real fight u could actually run into

[bronze glade]

at least not that i heard of

[near mauve]

that matters way more for me than funny static enemy wacking

[eager reef]

how to use bonesaw

[bronze glade]

i mean that defeats the point of controlled tests

[low harbor]

Which has so much number variation that it’s not representative or conclusive

[bronze glade]

because it introduces variation you can't account for

[low harbor]

Like first off

[bronze glade]

if you want to do that, you need a large enough sample size

like idk, test it 50 times or something

which i assume he's not doing

[low harbor]

U need to know that last mans standing causes slot mechanic to behave differently (enemies try to surround u)

This also doesn’t factor into stuff like

Heavy stagger basically always gets slower clear time

[bronze glade]

oh yeah i noticed that behavior during live tests

[low harbor]

Because enemies get spread out more

[near mauve]

yeah i dont treat it like gospel
its probably way off ifyou're going hyper optimize mode
but the builds i took from his vids worked is all im saying

[bronze glade]

this is an issue even in controlled tests 😭

[near mauve]

shit is practical

[low harbor]

I’ll tell u this

As weird as it sounds

Controlled stationary enemy stacking

Is more conclusive than those “live enemy testing”

[bronze glade]

if the tests are wrong, he's drawing wrong conclusions, and making builds based on those wrong conclusions

[low harbor]

Because controlled stationary stack = fastest possible

[near mauve]

ill believe u since you're done it yourself

[low harbor]

You’re testing for fastest possible on highest enemy density

[bronze glade]

yeah stack is a controlled scenario

and sets a baseline

[low harbor]

Live enemies adds so much variation

[bronze glade]

that lets you isolate the variable you want to test for

[low harbor]

You could run a 100 tests

And get an average

And that average would still be less conclusive than stationary stack

[compact oyster]

silence weapon tester

me the psykarium only weapon tester is clearly more knowledgable

[eager reef]

controlled tests always yield better results. planning comes after the control. this is true in real life as well

[low harbor]

Psykhanium unironically just more conclusive in this case

[near mauve]

psychanium testing is what who shall not be named uses i think

[low harbor]

He’s not even doing testing proper

[low harbor]

Well it doesn’t have to be psykhanium

Just stationary stacking

Any environment

[compact oyster]

reginald was wrong on his taxe testing however

and cole confinced him and he lowered his ttk by alot

[low harbor]

He’s wrong on a lot of stuff u don’t gotta be specific

[near mauve]

path playtester arc when

row row fight dah powah

[low harbor]

Idk

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

I’d be the worst prob

[compact oyster]

somehow gets lowest ttk on achlys caxe than powersword

[low harbor]

Did Reginald actually do that lol that’s crazy

[compact oyster]

oh no im just teasing you

[low harbor]

Outside of bosses the only numbers I’ll test are stationary stack or breakpoints

[exotic temple]

I tend to have more confidence in Reginald than other ytbers but I’m always suspicious. The values here just seem too high for the hs specific weapon.

[livid raven]

Has reginald said anything about crowbar

[astral canyon]

He says it needs buffs

[exotic temple]

He has a whole video on it I think

[livid raven]

Not even he could hype it up

[astral canyon]

It was something more specific but i cant remember

[livid raven]

They should give its special mode infinite cleave

[near mauve]

ive seen some vids from le good players tm saying it doesnt need buffs

and by good players i mean guys who clear havoc 100 solo blindfolded

[low harbor]

I would have liked to have some confidence in his hype but I unfortunately do not

[exotic temple]

This might be a dumb idea but I feel like they should make it basically the bill hook from vt2

[candid flint]

it needs something, coming from a le good player. it is pretty decent when brute forced with rampage/adrenaline (but i think pretty much any mediocre weapon can become decent when brute forced in such a way)

but with out those?

[near mauve]

yeah all these vids were just rampage spam

[candid flint]

it feels chunky, satisftying to stick into enemies

[near mauve]

wow the ult that makes everything hit like a truck did its job

[candid flint]

but the damage, the time commitment

feels bad

when not fully invested into melee damage

[dim moth]

I dno man with the amount of fucking damage that rampage+adrenaline gives you and that still only has the crowbar peak at "okay" I just am thinking

Maybe not that good of a weapon

It IS however an extremely good sidearm for gun scum

[near mauve]

[dim moth]

easy brittleness so you can shoot crushers

[astral canyon]

It feels like it was balanced around those boosts

[low harbor]

Which is what makes it mid at best

[astral canyon]

Meanwhile stuff like rashad doesnt have that limitation

[exotic temple]

Yeah the 30 rending from stim and desp + 40 brittleness from crowbar is pretty nice

[low harbor]

There’re some “elitists” that like to play with mid weapons only and are afraid them getting buffed make them just slightly close to being good and thus deprive them of weapons they allow themselves to use

It’s a very bizarre way of thinking but it exists

[exotic temple]

It would be nice if you could get a coordinated team that would consistently use the purple toxin bs and co crowbar on armor

[low harbor]

They’re also the majority of “everything needs to be nerfed down” crowd

[candid flint]

i purposely avoid things i view as OP(shout, dueling sword, shivs/knife, rashad), if that makes me an elitist, ig i am. then, as an elitist, even i think crowbar could use a little extra something

[low harbor]

If u weren’t vehemently arguing against tac axe getting buffed then u don’t count as one of them

[near mauve]

they gotta feel something somehow ya know

[dim moth]

I just avoid things that I don't think are fun to play xd

And have very deviant tastes

Been a helbore apologist since the release of the game

[candid flint]

i dont think it needs a buff really (atleast not the mk4) , but im not going to vehemently argue it getting one.

[low harbor]

or the mk3 eviscerator

or the ogryn tree rework

[exotic temple]

I do think it’s funny when someone calls a weapon dogshit then the next day one of the yters is doing a true duo h40 with it.

[astral canyon]

Something something statistical outlier

[vapid jungle]

A weapon can be comparatively bad and still usable

[dim moth]

see: dclaw sword, chainsword, and especially heavy sword

[exotic temple]

Some of them probably have the skill to brute force whatever they want through.

[mighty belfry]

A weapon can be as good as the person who's wielding it.

[eager reef]

why did you list good weapons?

[exotic temple]

I also get jealous of having consistent good team mates to run with.

Then I think about having to be social and go back to suffering in pugs

[gusty grotto]

Is it just me or is rolling 60% mob shivs near impossible

I have bought over 50 gray shivs and still nothing

I love gambling

[molten shale]

Ideal rolls are less likely below max level iirc

[gusty grotto]

aaaaaaa

fuck

I have all my other characters maxed so I forgor

[gusty grotto]

like genuinely rolling low mob is tied to your level??

[molten shale]

No, the distributions. Less likely to get a dump at low level

[brittle sierra]

If you roll lower at lower levels, the level of the weapons is lower

So the stat distribution is more stretched across all of the stats

Why did Fatshark design it that way?

Good question

[tranquil berry]

not sure they designed it that way. The system just came out working like that after they coded up the lvl 30 stat distro and they didn't know how to change anything without breaking it

I'm quite sure 50% of darktide behavior is just happenstance and oopsie-coding

it works a lot like ork tech

[abstract inlet]

I wish my agri shotty worked like the railgun I wanted :(

[dim moth]

https://fximgur.com/a/M9IBRJV mine works 👍

[brittle sierra]

"UGHHH, MAULER 🤮 "

[abstract inlet]

special ammo doesn't pierce tho, does it?

[abstract inlet]

guess I'll need to try it again

[bronze glade]

agri's best on vet

[abstract inlet]

and?

[bronze glade]

?

i'm just telling you

[brittle sierra]

yeah, AND???

[bronze glade]

fuck me for trying to be helpful right?

[candid flint]

yeah, dont do that

mods, can we do something about this guy

being helpful in here

god, so sick of this shit, place is a zoo.

stop helping people guys :/

[abstract inlet]

I mean I kinda meant it as a joke as well as "in what way?" and "is it a combat specialist build?"

[idle ore]

😂

[exotic temple]

Sorry but I’m just not into you that way

[idle ore]

i think i know who you're talking about

[low harbor]

Wat

[tranquil fjord]

combat axe blessings for scum?

[abstract inlet]

brutal momentum/headtaker for crowd clear

[modest patio]

I was recommended decimator / headtaker and it is funny amounts of damage.

[brittle sierra]

without BM you have no wave clear

[mighty belfry]

Wait who

[low harbor]

It’s several people thinking that way

Not limited to 1-2 people

[mighty belfry]

That's why I'm asking like

[low harbor]

I don’t dislike them. I just disagree with their thinking

[mighty belfry]

This isn't really specified to one person I'm pretty sure.

[low harbor]

I’m sure my opinions are also in the minority lol

[abstract inlet]

I only like underrated weapons for the possibility of new and exciting playstyles, not bragging rights

[vapid jungle]

Playing the game for 2k+ hours you need to explore other weapon options

[idle ore]

certain darktide youtubers

[craggy island]

So apparently needle gun chemist is really good

[vapid jungle]

Needle gun is crazy good

[craggy island]

Trust 20 and weapons at 150 and still outputting almost 400k damage

[vapid jungle]

With pickpocket its probably too good

[craggy island]

Yeah that's what I've heard

[mighty belfry]

Not probably. Just is.

[craggy island]

Watching even nurgle mobs just melt is insane

[bronze glade]

pickpocket's prob a bit too good in general

[abstract inlet]

next patch it will be replaced by "+25% ammo pool"

[vapid jungle]

Im hoping for larger pool and a charmed reload effect

[bronze glade]

knowing fatshart

they'll prob buff desperado / pickpocket

because it reminds them of playing psyker

[exotic temple]

Yeah it’s gross and that’s not counting the dmg boost and corruption cleanse you give to the team

I honestly think toxin should have a more meaningful interaction with armor. I’m ok with its effectiveness but there should be a more meaningful interaction. like if you want current levels of dmg you should have to smack the crusher with the purple toxin or run rending stims on your stim crate

[craggy island]

Yeah the corruption cleanse is massive

[exotic temple]

Yeah some modifiers it’s almost required

[craggy island]

Im still leveling the hive scum but so far im loving it

[exotic temple]

Oddly enough this was probably the easiest class I’ve ever leveled

[craggy island]

So far it's amazing my first was a zealot

been playing about a week now

[exotic temple]

Build variety it’s really nice as well. Desperado basically makes any ranged weapon work, rampage makes any melee work so it’s just a blank slate to what you can do

There stand outs for sure but lots of stuff is useable

[final temple]

ngl, I found leveling this easier than arby

[abstract inlet]

Second hardest for me, and I'm happy about that, actually learned the game because of it

[eager reef]

class has a skill check, without being good at fundamentals you'll get shit canned by mobs

overall it's probably my favorite

what ever i want to use i can make work

[fresh brook]

Whats the best melee for ranged scum to swap to for shield bosses and crushers? Just git gud with the shivs? I tried switching to devil claw and parry spam is really safe into shield bosses but doesnt do much damage since the sword ones attack fast enough to cancel parry followup and it sucks into crushers too.

[cedar cairn]

Yeah spamming heavies with the curly shivs is really your best bet

[ruby pewter]

Am I crazy for not liking desperado?

Could also be that my gun is not built

Maybe that’s it

Ignore me

[bronze glade]

im not a fan either

usually

[vivid wedge]

So for captins/twins I really like the purple poop saw, crushers really your best bet is the same thing when there is like less than 3.

[grizzled nymph]

what does the purple mode do on the bonesaw?

i know the greenish yellow is like a poison dmg over time effect but i cant figure out what the purple one does

[bronze glade]

brittlness

it's really only worthwhile against crushers tbh

[fresh brook]

Bonesaw?

[vivid wedge]

Yes sir

[grizzled nymph]

Ah okay thx

[fresh brook]

Nice okay thanks Ill try that

[vivid wedge]

I take refined lethality and limb splitter for the blessings. You mainly just want to H1 block H1 with it

[bronze glade]

Best combo is unironically light spam

And you need shock and awe

Second choice is deci or shred

[fresh brook]

I dont want to take shock and awe if its only going to get pulled out for crushers / shield bosses - shred / lethality in these cases?

[bronze glade]

Then shred deci

But if you take saw you should use it

It’s a terrible gun build sidearm

[vivid wedge]

Lol it's not

[bronze glade]

Best used as your main weapon

[fresh brook]

Is there a melee weapon you do think is better for shield bosses / crushers on a ranged build then?

[bronze glade]

Shiv or knife

Saw carapace damage isn’t great

Shield damage also isn’t great

Shiv and knife counter both of those without much investment

[fresh brook]

Yea shiv is good into crushers for sure, but the shield damage is pretty mid though, we cant do better?

[bronze glade]

Fast attack speed from light spam

Will break shields quickly

[tranquil fjord]

spamming lights against shields is decent

[bronze glade]

Against shields you generally just want to use your fastest attack

And shiv and knife both have fast lights

[tranquil fjord]

with shivs, you can also use the throwing knives for more boss damage

[fresh brook]

Thats what I found but it took like 10 cycles of the sword shield guys doing their 4-chain attacks, and then me spamming light while they werent attacking to break...

Should I try to fit lights inbetween their chain instead of backing off then

[tranquil fjord]

it helps with the somewhat mediocre boss damage of desperado

[bronze glade]

Blocking while doing their combo is the best bet

The combos pretty quick so unless it’s not aimed at you, I wouldn’t try to sneak a hit in

[fresh brook]

Depressing, okay

[bronze glade]

If you’re running dual auto pistols or other high rate of fire weapjns

You could also shoot the shield

In a gun build

[fresh brook]

I run IAG yea

[tranquil fjord]

sword captains are generally an issue every class can struggle with

unless you have a weapon which can instantly break shields

[cedar cairn]

what curio perks does Scum want

[livid raven]

the usuals

[pseudo harbor]

why stamina regeneration

[novel oracle]

Scum doesnt really need stam regen

The only case when youd want it is on melee scum from push heavy weapons or the end of rampage, but you're dodging so much that it may not actually have time to naturally come back, so the dodge stam talent comes into play there

They already have 2x the natural stam regen of zealot, they're fine lol

[cedar cairn]

Idk I was just guessing when I put these together

That's why I'm asking what the meta options are

[novel oracle]

Gunner resist is always a safe slot, and despite what people say, revive speed good

Those are what I run
Toughness gun resist and revive speed

[limber cradle]

Same tbh

Thats my default for literally every class tho

[novel oracle]

Revive speed was changed to affect rescues, ledges, and nets its so good

[limber cradle]

I can physically feel the difference between having and not having rez speed

I've not had it on and gotten hit out of revives at the last millisecond

Genuine run saver sometimes

[novel oracle]

Since you can trigger a revive mid slide, you can be sliding for the literal majority of the rez, at least on zealot who can easily get 25% more from talents

So ill genuinely start rezzing in gunfire now in havoc 40

[limber cradle]

Lmfao

"Your problem now"

[novel oracle]

https://youtu.be/e6UkdTQ-Xyo?t=16s

Heres me doing exactly that

[clear isle]

it has? hell yeah

[cedar cairn]

Gunner resist still important if you're doing Desperado?

[livid raven]

no

if you are doing vulture

[lilac schooner]

Does lethal prox increase radius of the rocket launcher aoe?

[fast surge]

yep

[eager zephyr]

hey what’s the point of the 3 rules on the bottom right of stim tree that do the same thing?

Am I missing something?

I think it’s like 3 of them that are just 6% cdr

[grand shard]

whats the best ranged weapons for Desperado?
Dual autopistols look outright better than braced autogun or am I missing something?

[livid raven]

what ever could you mean

[livid raven]

dual autopistols or vraks infantry autogun

[willow violet]

whats the benefit of shock'n'awe on bonesaw instead of wrath?

[grand shard]

Speedload/Blaze Away on autopistols, I assume?

[livid raven]

speedload/pinning fire and Blaze away

[grand shard]

ok ty

[light phoenix]

I noticed that sometimes my Stim Supply Crate ability gives the Cartel Stim effect even though its on cooldown

I use Stim first, let its duration finish then use Supply Crate while its own cooldown. Sometimes I get the effects of Cartel Stim, sometimes I dont.

Is this intentional or a bug? I ask because it is not consistent

[livid raven]

it's a bug

whenever you enter a stim supply radius, it applies the cartel stim effect even when it's on cooldown

if you drop the stim supply when the stim is supposed to be on cooldown, you have to leave the radius and re-enter it to get the effect

[light phoenix]

I see, to be honest I feel Stim Supply Crate may need it to compete with the other abilities, especially Desperado. Tried the Boobytrap spam build but could never get value from it due to enemies never being in the radius when exploding

[livid raven]

the boobytrap spam build is a meme

a lame grenade every 15 seconds is a sad excuse of an ability

[light phoenix]

It should either have its aoe increased or have it explode like a proximity mine when enemies are in the radius, with a 1 second delay so we could still benefit from the stims

[verbal spire]

Does the needle pistol infect with more stacks if it's a critical hit?

[dim moth]

yes

[verbal spire]

good to know, thanks. The keystone on the right when it's %20 critical hit chance, does it affect both melee and ranged?

[dire badge]

The pack is worth bringing if you don't have a zealot against blight spreads

[willow violet]

Repeat question

[dim moth]

it's better than that zealot aura

[dim moth]

you don't take shock & awe instead of you take it alongside wrath or decimator

hit mass reductions are multiplicative with cleave increases

[dire badge]

True but if you have zealot aura it's not needed. And better to bring rampage or desperato

[livid raven]

yes

[dim moth]

zealot aura is vastly worse than stimm crate scum for blight spreads

it's just higher opportunity cost

[nova valley]

Sorry I am late on this issue. Is it really a bug? Is it confirmed and it will be fixed or is it weird but it is supposed to be like this?

[livid raven]

it is really a bug

introduced by the latest hotfix they did

before christmas

[nova valley]

Wtf... When are they goin to fix it? I hate taking advantage of a bug

[livid raven]

in fatshark amount of days

i'd expect a patch in february

[upbeat gyro]

This should be pinned pretty much, so build defining to know

[nova valley]

[nova valley]

I am unable to play at the moment, so I don't care MUCH. But I think that these kinds of bug should be addressed much quicker

[livid raven]

looking at 2025, their first hotfix was january 27

so yeah, i'd expect one around that time

[willow violet]

But... So is wrath its a direct cleave increase except its condition is much easier to maintain

[livid raven]

their speed is both because they are fatshark and work as slowly as possible and because they are just returning from holidays

[nova valley]

[novel oracle]

Cleave increases arent multiplicitive with cleave increasrs

Theyre additive

Which isnt as good

[willow violet]

ah

[novel oracle]

Wrath at max stacks is 125% cleave, and shock and awe when active is functionally 120% cleave

Actually more

Im just fucking tired and dont remember exactly

[willow violet]

k so they are close but awe is technically btter by a small margin

[novel oracle]

While it does require a kill the effect is much more significant, especially because theres 2 (3 if you include rampage) cleave talents in the tree

So now youre not doubling up on the same additive stat, but working with multiple stats that multiply off of each other

[candid flint]

mods, do something about this guy

for not remembering exactly

[novel oracle]

Ok I remember exactly

[candid flint]

too late

[novel oracle]

60% is an effective 150% cleave boost

[candid flint]

your fate is sealed

[novel oracle]

If an enemy has 3 hitmass, -60% reduces that to 1.2

You can hit 2 more enemies with a total of 2.4 hitmass now, which is a 100% increase, but you still have more to go with .6, which is 50% more

So your effective value is 150%

Which makes sense that the 10% increase above -50% makes that much difference, its like if you reduce the price of something by 75% you can now buy 4x of it for the same initial cost

The higher it goes the more value you get big time

But anyway

So now this +150% cleave bump multiplies with the 100-150% you can get from the tree

That goes to 5-6x cleave

THEN you can factor power in too
If you take decimator and rampage, thats 125% more cleave, also multiplicitive

Now you've exploded to 14x cleave

If you take wrath instead of decimator its at 16x

The stats all working together gets a little goofy

If i were running a chem build tho, id just take the kill cleave talent, shock and awe, and decimator, which still leaves me at 5.6x cleave which is plenty for group clear

Wrath bumps that up a bit with less ramp up, but less damage too

[willow violet]

aight ty for mafs

[candid flint]

yw anytime

[exotic temple]

You get more cleave through harder targets. The saw already struggles into mixed hordes shock and awe helps alleviate that more than wrath

[upbeat gyro]

Rashad better for stimmsupply/chem build?

[fervent flint]

would Infantry gun work better than dual autos for desperado build or their the same level?

[upbeat gyro]

Infantry has better crits, dual autos more mobility