hivescum-class

[lilac ermine]

Or like instead of ability refresh when vet activates stealth ability it lasts for 30 seconds and during that time they get stealth every headshot kill/back stab/ or elite/special kill

[supple torrent]

Give vet sealth a c4

[lilac ermine]

So not whole ability refresh

[fiery palm]

Zealot needs to inflict flame stacks with Chorus

[astral canyon]

Zealot needs to not cc themselves with chorus

[lilac ermine]

Im getting ideas from borderlands skills

[fiery palm]

Also let zealot regen the stun grenades like they're not that good

[astral canyon]

Make them faster and give them 1-2 more charges instead imo

[vapid jungle]

Or have them debuff the enemy somehow.

[low harbor]

pretty sure blitz situation is being discussed

[astral canyon]

I think the actual effect of the stun nades is already pretty good

[low harbor]

my idea was to keep them non-regen but way higher capacity

[vapid jungle]

Maybe brittleness or something. Different classes but the power or chem nade vs immolation and stunstorm is wild.

[low harbor]

who knows where they'll take it

[astral canyon]

Its just the 3 charges and taking too long from equipping to the explosion that hinders them imo

[low harbor]

gets mogged by its direct competitor = shock mine

not to mention smite

[astral canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1272804331497979935/1450700850132418651/Kill_All_Smykers.gif

[vapid jungle]

That's my kinda gameplay

[astral canyon]

Smite has the built in downside that it also CCs you

[pearl cliff]

it does, just for psykers who dont turn around when they smite

the stun cc works long enough to get backstabbed

[astral canyon]

I mean that while using smite you cant use your other stuff

[pearl cliff]

true, only exception would be the scream

[astral canyon]

Meanwhile with stunstorm and shock mines you toss them and go back to gaming

[astral canyon]

Whats the area for shock mines?

Cause i know stunstorm is 12m (and can be increased with proximity bistol)

[vapid jungle]

Smaller but positioning it to have greater effect is easy

[low harbor]

3m
but it lasts 15s and can stun other enemies coming into it

most of the time u need desperate CC is in small rooms or chokepoints

[vapid jungle]

Or rezzes

Auspex puzzles etc its much better in those cases

[astral canyon]

I see

Still i think shortening the fuse timer and giving more charges would make the gap between the two noticeably smaller

To stunstorm

[limber cradle]

Zealot nades need to be tweaked tbh

And probably to stop being added to weapons as specials

[pine shell]

Melee build link?

[astral canyon]

Immolation grenades i have no idea what they could do that would make them not "chem bomb but worse"

[limber cradle]

Tbh

Chem pool nades need to be worse imo

[lapis raft]

make immolation apply brittle

grenade fixed

[astral canyon]

Still not worth the pickup imo

Compared to other options

[exotic temple]

Mk2 especially isn’t bad. You dump a clip into a horde you can kill like 30 walkers with 6 bullets.

[lapis raft]

i would def run immolation if it applied brittle

[exotic temple]

If you get some height and shoot targets in the center it more but that doesn’t always happen

[odd brook]

Imagine it's holy fire and cleansed enemies running into it

No more blight/tox etc

[mighty belfry]

It's easy and consistent. TTK just isn't the greatest but you shoot enough and eventually a bunch of things will just start dying.

Because toxin is just dumb.

[pine shell]

Anyone?
I mean Rampage to be clear

[lapis raft]

there are 4 melee builds at least in pins

[pine shell]

Cool, thanks!

What's the point of Slipper Customer and Regained Posture?
They sound kinda bad

[odd brook]

Regained feeds into the jittery machine (not worth), slippery doesn't work on overheads so why bother

[pine shell]

Yeah it's just that this build takes them:
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a07e0327-1bf5-42f9-a9bd-851793671046/turns-out-knifetaxe-are-good-on-the-high-damage-high-crit-class?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

Think I'll skip them

[lapis raft]

swap regained to nimble there and slippery to pulverising and its probs fine

[pine shell]

Hyper Critical not worth?

Likewise weakspot damage

[sand tendon]

bully ogryn confirmed as an iron rider ganger he love train

[lapis raft]

hypercritical kinda pointless on rampage HV shivs

weakspot damage not worth

both just waste of points

[thorny ginkgo]

a win is a win? kept getting killed by crushers lol

[lilac ermine]

Why isnt that build use adrenaline unbound

[lapis raft]

can probs swap stoked rage to it i guess

[supple torrent]

Slippery is a nice qol on gun scum. Don't need to swap to melee to block while sliding.

I find that I play more aggresively with it on. But yeah no crusher immunity sucks

[sand tendon]

slippery customer is nice qol for when you're needing to kite/conserve stamina so you don't need to be blocking while sliding esp if you're holding a power cell or something.

regained composure is just for stamina upkeep in case you're using a push heavy style

[lilac ermine]

I dont think coated weaponry is that good

For shiv at least

[limber cradle]

Ime it isn't that good

[low harbor]

it's one of the worst talents on the tree

[supple torrent]

I feel like you only want it if you arent running HC/HV and you want cheap damage on shivs

And you're already going for a toxin build

[thorny ginkgo]

does hyper crit work well with bonesaw on a chem build?

i don't really notice if it does or not

[supple torrent]

I think hypercrit steals kills from sample collector

Also imo you dont need HC damage on bonesaw

[lilac ermine]

Me and my friend tested and hyper critical isnt needed since hyper violence lets you get 1 shots on maulers/ragers anyways

[thorny ginkgo]

ah ok, i only have hyper crit to get pickpocket for needle pistol

[supple torrent]

Just grab ammo jack

[lilac ermine]

I forgot if it did only 1 shots with rampage on or off

[thorny ginkgo]

you think HV would be better than hyper crit with bonesaw

[lilac ermine]

Im not sure because Ive only used shivs so far

[thorny ginkgo]

ah ok

yea i just started using bonesaw

[limber cradle]

Tbh I like HC specifically for Shivs

[brittle sierra]

bonesaw doesn't benefit from either because the majority of t damage comes from the dot

[thorny ginkgo]

makes sense thank you

[brittle sierra]

i take hypercrit tho so I can get scavenger

and bonesaw is a crit weapon technically

[limber cradle]

I take scavver cause I take hyper crit anyway tbh

[brittle sierra]

bonesaw needs a major buff tho, it's just such a clunky weapon in higher difficulties

[lilac ermine]

Do you take both HV and HC

[limber cradle]

If i run tac axe, yes.

If i run shivs, just HC

[lilac ermine]

With the shivs wont it take alot of hits to kill crusher with just HC since they are not man sized enemies

[limber cradle]

Not ime

Shivs with no investment like 4 shot the bastards+you can tox em anyway

[lilac ermine]

The hyper violence damage using the enemies hp to deal damage to next enemy lets you chain crushers in like 2-3 shot kills

Without that damage its taking me like 6 hits or more

[mighty belfry]

It's probably the best for shivs specifically tbh

[limber cradle]

What's your shivs set up?

[mighty belfry]

Because of the throwing knife.

[lilac ermine]

Mobility dump

[limber cradle]

Idk why it's taking you 6 hits unless you're not hitting them in the head ever

[lilac ermine]

This is with no buffs or abilities active

[limber cradle]

In practice how often is that tho

[lilac ermine]

Whenever rampage is down ig

[supple torrent]

Wait the bonesay and crowbard "ripping" attacks count for cheap shots

[leaden fable]

Bonesay and crowbard

[supple torrent]

I think I took too many stimms this morn

[mighty belfry]

Actually it doesn't.

Hypercrit kills do still proc sample collector.

What they don't proc is blackout regen.

[mighty belfry]

You also have riposte so a lot of your dps is dictated by dodging.

They probably perform better than you think in actual application.

[honest shale]

Push attack before rolling with your favored combo. Bonesaw is god tier when it can DOT up a staggered blob.

[low harbor]

I finished zealot sections in guide btw

[mighty belfry]

THEYVE DONE IT ONCE AGAIN

Also am I the only one that thinks flak is better than unyielding for shivs

[brittle sierra]

no the problem is when you need to deal with mixed hordes, specificially ragers

[mighty belfry]

Bonesaw shreds through unarmored scuff but anything mixed and it gets really awkward to use

Even trying to max its cleave out

[supple torrent]

oh thats good to know. thanks

[low harbor]

it's ok

[honest shale]

Yeah so Push Attack into the mix, dodge back, push attack the ragers that emerge for the final amount of stagger they need, then go ham. They're like the only one you need to get tricksy with, Bonesaw is braindead otherwise. You just need to time the rager stagger immunity.

[mighty belfry]

Just feels like shivs already have a really good unyielding dps as is

I'd rather have the ability to kill scab ragers faster

Since ragers tend to be a real trouble for this class particularly I've come to realize.

[brittle sierra]

you cant cleave thru mixed horde if you are bouncing off of any cara enemies

[lapis raft]

yea i do flak + carapace on both shivs and knife

[supple torrent]

Man I feel like I need swift endurance to ensure crowbar and bonesaw feel good tp play. Kinda annoys me that its way over in the VD path

[honest shale]

I dont even use shock and awe, I roll shred and decimator so not sure what your issue is. Push attack has waaaaay more cleave than normal or heavies.

[lapis raft]

its kinda mandaotry for a lot of high stam weapons

but especially saw and crowbar

[mighty belfry]

Push attack is kinda clunky though.

[bronze glade]

Oh man going back to PS vet after fifty hours of HIV sure is an experience….

[bronze glade]

All of saw is clunky

[brittle sierra]

it doesn't matter, you cannot cleave thru uncleavable enemies

[supple torrent]

Yeah its weird cus it feels like bonesawand crowbar were designed around chemdep and adrenaline.

[honest shale]

Then push them. Not getting the issue.

[lapis raft]

they were both designed as worse chainaxe from my experience

[honest shale]

The number of times I slid with my psyker thinking I could avoid melee attacks T-T

[lapis raft]

bonesaw would actually feel kinda nice if half of it wasnt forced to be crit

just give saw base +2 toxin remove the +1 from crit

[supple torrent]

pls crowbar is trying its best.

[leaden fable]

Man I really wanna love crowbar but it feels odd to use

The swings feel weak and the latches feel risky and a bit slow

[limber cradle]

My issue with crowbar and bonesaw is that they are not shivs

[lapis raft]

i only use shivs with desperado pretty much

[mighty belfry]

Even for tox builds, shivs are still good because of the knife

[limber cradle]

Shivs are go to for me

Its them or TAxe

But the throwing knife on shivs makes them more fun

[keen timber]

it's kinda crazy to me how good shivs are

[mighty belfry]

They really are just the overall best hive specific melee weapon across the board.

[keen timber]

and then u see crowbar and bonesaw and it's just like

lol

[supple torrent]

somde days I run the rending rampage node to avoid using the crowbar swap

[keen timber]

shivs kinda just do everything

[flat mist]

Even without the throwing knife shivs are good for a tox build

[lapis raft]

yea i just prefer actual knife :d

[limber cradle]

The shivs are just that good tbh

[flat mist]

Exactly

#BuffShivs

[heavy patio]

does the stim pack only apply your stim if its charged?

[lapis raft]

no, just have to walk out and in to the zone

[flat mist]

It's supposed to only apply it if it's off cooldown, but atm there's a bug where if you enter the aoe after its been placed you'll always get the stimm birf

[brittle sierra]

brother

i want you to go into the psykanium, spawn like 5 maulers and a bunch of poxwalkers

tell me how fast you clear the horde

[flat mist]

Don't ever not take swift endurance lol

[heavy patio]

does being affected by the stimm pack count as being affected by cartel special? sorry if this is a stupid question

[mighty belfry]

Yes.

[honest shale]

If you want speed then use another weapon. I want safe to use in havoc. Having something I can dump stamina into in order to achieve Chim and be able to block AND push my way through problems while I let chem toxin work is the way for me. I can reposition, move to revive, do an objective, all while still doing damage and controlling the crowd. If you want speed use a different weapon.

[flat mist]

Wtf is chim

[honest shale]

Elder scrolls.

[flat mist]

This is darktide homie

[honest shale]

No this is Patrick.,

[flat mist]

Actually this is Sparta

[honest shale]

And by achieving Chim I'm talking about three curios of stamina plus the stamina attack speed talent. Pairs super nicely with a block and push weapon.

[brittle sierra]

Or I can just one shot the maulers on tac, combat, shivs, or knife and move on to the rest of the horde

[honest shale]

I'm not saying you can't do that. I'm just saying the bonesaw has uses elsewhere.

[brittle sierra]

On what?

Wave clear?

It can't do that if there is one Mauler or rager inside of it

Boss damage yes I can agree

But that is ironic considering it is supposed to be a cleave weapon

[lilac ermine]

3 curios of stam crazy work

[brittle sierra]

I don't even think it is better for procing supply

[honest shale]

It's fantabulous that it even works.

[brittle sierra]

Because you can just slap toxin into shivs

[lapis raft]

or chainaxe :d

[mighty belfry]

Tbf the attack speed goes nuts

[honest shale]

Bonesaw goes nuts on the attack speed. My stim is pure attack speed.

[brittle sierra]

Fatshark needs to change how the dots are proced

Maybe make it so that you apply more dots on headshots

Or the upper attacks

So it gives it good single target damage

[honest shale]

Each hit on the heavies drops a dot.

When they crit they go brrrrr.

[brittle sierra]

If you hit one poxwalker you're fucked if you try to heavy

Not sure why they did that as well

[honest shale]

That's why I push first. :)

You'll get it someday.

[brittle sierra]

I'm not sure what pushing does to stop the poxwalker blocking the headshot

They need to change how the heavy downcut works, make it so that it cleaves thru everything

It's like a CS special attack

It only can't hit one target at a time

I think the worst part of the cleaver isn't even the mixed horde issue

It's that it's base cleave is soo dogshit to begin with, that even into trash hordes it struggles 💀

[honest shale]

Bro just try out what I'm saying. Shred and Decimator on the bonesaw. 3 stam curios, even 2s, and Swift Endurance talent. Attack speed on the Stimm. Push attack into groups while blobbing them up. Chem Grenade/Boom Bringer if too large, otherwise just keep them corralled until they're dead. The bonus is that you'll keep everything under control regardless of enemy density in a way that lets you be objective oriented when most other builds cannot.

[keen timber]

why go through all this effort just to make mid not mid

when u could pick something that isnt shit

and do 3x more

with half the effort

[honest shale]

It's stupidly lazy once you get the rhythm of it.

[brittle sierra]

Don't use decimator, you need shock and awe or you cleave nothing

[honest shale]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Fine whatever just try it. Step up your game and learn how to push stuff.

[brittle sierra]

I think this is honestly just all anecdotal too

Because cleaver objectively is horrific into high havocs where the horde density reaches a breaking point on the weapons limitations

[lilac ermine]

Im too poor for 3 stam curios

[honest shale]

I can't find a 3rd xD

Still using a 2

and it works in havoc

This build works for all the same reasons that psyker flame staff works.

[supple torrent]

How many stamina curios are yll running? Im too bad to use more than 1

[brittle sierra]

nah dont compare cleaver with flame staff 💀

Ive seen some psyker cope, but reverse is crazy

[lilac ermine]

But psyker flame has unlimited cleave

[honest shale]

Bro willfully misreads shit again. I'm going to lose it.

[limber cradle]

Has cleave in the name, gets stuck on groaners

[lilac ermine]

Cleaver probably gets alot of stim uptime with sample collector but idk if its even as strong as shivs while stimmed

[brittle sierra]

You can't just say I misinterpreted what you wrote

[brittle sierra]

You can just put toxin on shivs and achieve the same value

[mighty belfry]

Eh. That's debatable actually since you have to crit to proc toxin and that isn't always gonna happen.

But.

Shivs are also better clear for the most part.

[bronze glade]

3 on shiv builds

[brittle sierra]

Aren't u critng all the time with shivs tho?

Tbh I can also approach it from a different angle

[supple torrent]

zamn

[brittle sierra]

If you are horde clearing faster, you get more procs on sampler anyways

[mighty belfry]

Not enough for sample collector actually get much use out of it for that reason since

Fairly certain sample is coded to only give you the extra cdr if toxin itself kills the enemy

Not that the enemy dies while inflicted with toxin.

[brittle sierra]

There was a build path was cooking up, where he took the toxin on blitz explosion

And then have a bolt pistol with the explosive blessing 🤯

Flash bangs = INSTA cooldown on trash hordes

[vapid jungle]

Blinders apply puncture too

Real fun stuff

[supple torrent]

Im pretty sure at launch it didnt give you the bonus if toxin killed the enemy. But you got it if you killed an enemy while inflicted with toxin.

[lilac ermine]

Whats it look like

[low harbor]

bonesaw is much faster at refilling sample collector to spam stim crate but this "build" immediately crumbles when u run into mixed hordes that don't die as quickly to bonesaw

[lilac ermine]

I use bpistol and shivs

[supple torrent]

I was getting much faster cooldowns on stim when running no toxin while being supported by a toxin scum.

[brittle sierra]

No it's just a funny interaction

Flash bangs are an "explosive" which means when you have the bolt pistol equipped while throwing it, it increases the explosion radius

[pine shell]

Needle Pistol best stats?

[mighty belfry]

Something must have changed because someone was here mentioning that the regen felt off and tested it.

[lilac ermine]

I could add sample collector + toxin on blitz but that would use up 4 slots

Hard to get to all those

[supple torrent]

They did patch it later to allow toxin kills to proc sample. IDK if that could have messed with the earlier interaction

[pine shell]

I'm assuming you dump Mobility on fent gun?

[keen timber]

Cleaven't

[brittle sierra]

@low harbor btw speaking of which, have u tried explosive bolt pistol on gun Scum? 💀

[keen timber]

damage

[pine shell]

Wat. Fr?

[keen timber]

yes

it doesn't effect the dot

as is the case with like, almost every other dot weapon

so u just go damage dump

[limber cradle]

saw cleaver like it saw the cleave anything else is doing

[brittle sierra]

Damage only applies to the actual needle hit, not the toxin damage

[pine shell]

Wow OK. Easy dump.

[brittle sierra]

I think the needle itself does 50 damage at 60?

[low harbor]

I don't play ranged hvs

cringe build

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[bronze glade]

Hey it’s pretty fun as desp goes

[brittle sierra]

It's actually funny AF because you literally are a trauma Psyker

[pine shell]

Desp is extremely fun yeah

[brittle sierra]

With better accuracy IG

But less cc

[brittle sierra]

Problem with Des build is that it's weak into Crushers and Bullwalks

[bronze glade]

Next try purge hiveker

[brittle sierra]

Which are like

[bronze glade]

(I hope you like reloading)

[brittle sierra]

Nah I tried it, I felt soo horrible trying to snipe a gunner 😔

[bronze glade]

Purge psyker moment

[brittle sierra]

Also what do you do into crushers?

[bronze glade]

Shiv them

[brittle sierra]

Purge Psykers have Headpop

[bronze glade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914161923334214/1351976144206954559/Warhammer40000_Darktide2025-03-1917-28-32-Trim-ezgif.com-video-speed_online-video-cutter.com.gif?width=308&height=300

[brittle sierra]

But then again, scum is the class that doesn't care about range

[keen timber]

me packing for my trip to london

[brittle sierra]

Didn't they make a fallout game about London?

I saw the trailer and I'm like: "isn't this just normal London?"

[vapid jungle]

I think it was a Fo4 mod

[brittle sierra]

Yeah but like

What's the point?

Just go to London yourself

Literally same experience

What would be epic tho is a Fallout Game in China

[vapid jungle]

A Chinese gaming company probably made that

They dgaf about American intellectual property

[brittle sierra]

Good, I hate Bethesda and Microsoft

💸

[vapid jungle]

Elder Scrolls 6 #$SOON

[brittle sierra]

I honestly don't want another elder scrolls game

Please God

[vapid jungle]

I think they are cooked as a company

[brittle sierra]

I don't want 50 releases of the same game

[vapid jungle]

They lost their moxie

[limber cradle]

it wont be good

[low harbor]

did u see where winds meet

[limber cradle]

idk how people have seen the last Beth releases and are still hype for ES6

[limber cradle]

i unironically want a pre war spin off game set in china

[brittle sierra]

Just play KCD

[brittle sierra]

Yes

Fallout China would be ballin tho

No cringe vault dwellers

No cringe sci Fi KKK, I mean, brotherhood of steel

No Walt Disney wannabes

Just straight up the PLA versus fucking mutated pandas

[low harbor]

not sure if china in fallout universe match current day china well

[limber cradle]

I hate how hard Bethesda jerks off the BoS

[flint granite]

I'm relieved the show portrays them as evil bastards as soon as a ghoul shows up

[limber cradle]

There's exactly one good BoS member

[low harbor]

then again idk fallout well

fallout falloff

[brittle sierra]

PLA is canon in the Fallout universe

In Fallout 4 you meet a PLA submarine crew

[low harbor]

yea ik but PLA in fallout prob doesn't match current day PLA well

[limber cradle]

Haven't seen it tbh

[low harbor]

idrk much abt fallout to care

[limber cradle]

Someone keeps trying to get me to watch it

[flint granite]

Well ofc, neither does the US

[brittle sierra]

Pretty funny that they were probably the most normal characters in the entire game 💀

Literally their goal was just to rebuild the world

[vapid jungle]

The show is good just the right amount of camp and fan service

[flint granite]

Worth a watch so far, really enjoying s2

[vapid jungle]

Hilarious casting at times

[limber cradle]

im kinda autistic about fallout and i understand the show is most likely not made for me

[low harbor]

this is weirdly lore accurate to real chinese

[flint granite]

Pre war mr house was moving like a demon

[flint granite]

I'm also autistic about fallout but that's fair

[brittle sierra]

No batshit ideological shit

No genocide level atrocities

No sociopathic tendency

Straight up they are like: "we gotta rebuild the world to make it better, who else will?"

Fallout 4 has fucking people who think they are the minutemen of 1776

Or are the second reincarnation of god

[heavy patio]

dumping mobility makes me feel so slow.....

[flint granite]

On which weapons?

[final temple]

Fallout’s China is as much a parody of over the top communism as the US Commonwealth is of corporate fascist america.

[low harbor]

that is really weirdly accurate to real chinese

[heavy patio]

bone saw is what ive noticed it on most

[flint granite]

Ohhhhh yeah it's painful on bonesaw

[vapid jungle]

Dump crit on bonesaw

[flint granite]

Yeah

[vapid jungle]

Negligible dps difference but noticeable mobility gains

[heavy patio]

alright

ty

[flint granite]

🫡

[heavy patio]

-# i learnt this AFTER spending all my money upgrading a 60 mobility bonesaw 😭

[brittle sierra]

The is just you helping them repair their submarine

In return they give you some Chinese weapons that where collecting dust in their stockpile

Then they leave

Most casual quest ever

[vapid jungle]

That sword sucks

It looks cool tho

[low harbor]

yea pretty on brand

ig americans understood china better 20 years ago than they do now

[brittle sierra]

What's also interesting is that they are all ghouls

But when you call them that they are just like: ?????

What's a "ghoul"?

A ghoul is a mutated human btw that is immune to radiation but their skin is peeled off

[ornate fiber]

funny number

[final temple]

And they are technically biologically immortal

[brittle sierra]

They are pretty oppressed in fallout society due to being creepy looking

[final temple]

on the downside they tend to neurologically degenerate

[brittle sierra]

But what that implies is that back in Fallout China they never differentiated them from normal people

[final temple]

how would they? China had no access to the FEV and we have no reports of pre-war FEV natural strand cases overseas.

this is pretty accurate, they would not know what ghouls are.

[brittle sierra]

Well ghouls is just a term

I mean that they were oblivious to how the term was used to describe them

[icy scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/symboli-rudolf-67-meme-uma-musume-umamusume-gif-8354787702994742859

[final temple]

fair. but again, that comes straight out of them not knowing what ghoul means in the context.

[brittle sierra]

I mean it could be possible that they were in the sub when the nukes struck, so they never saw their homes again

[final temple]

That was my impression, that they were holding out

[limber cradle]

i feel like thats what was implied

[final temple]

and the ghoulification is what preserved them

[ornate fiber]

Oh, you all talking about the fallout show

funny, I mainly use it as a very efficient test of personnality, simply based on people's opinion on the Legion

[heavy patio]

which one is the legion again

[limber cradle]

funny roman larpers

[ornate fiber]

The jackasses dressed as romans

[heavy patio]

eeyikes!

[final temple]

you can even narrow that down on the (I think he was legate?) kulkin speech about the historical impact of ‘might makes right’.

if they agree or not.

[ornate fiber]

Mind you, we already had the brotherhood of steel with their whole "paladin" and "centurion" stuff, but apparently, someone in the writing team thought it wasnt enough

[final temple]

the legion is a well established faction in New Vegas, tho. this is not new.

[limber cradle]

do the BoS use Centurion as a term?

[ornate fiber]

Oh yeah, but i'm talking way back to new vegas

[limber cradle]

ik theres knights and paladins

theyre more medieval flavored tho

[ornate fiber]

Actually, yeah, I could have swore centurion, but i think its mostly knights

[final temple]

Scribes, Squires, Knights, Paladins. Nothing about romans.

[limber cradle]

Yeah

[final temple]

Oh and Elder

[limber cradle]

They're very medieval flavored

[final temple]

I’d even narrow it down to an arthurian romanticism

[limber cradle]

I think I'd agree with that

Only good BoS member

[vapid jungle]

Im finding the protagonists unflinching moral high ground a little grating at this point

[ornate fiber]

and him

[final temple]

which is of course doubly hilarious once you realize that these guys are as knightly as a yao guai turd

[limber cradle]

Tbf actual knights were bastards too

[vapid jungle]

Her unwillingness to meet her environment where it is borders on stupid

[drifting heron]

Debates over whether cannablism in the crusades was recreational or not

Not over whether it happened or not

[final temple]

sure. but we are looking at a group of high tech larpers supposedly emulating a romanticized idea of a knightly chapter.

[ornate fiber]

All the factions in the series, except minutemen, are flawed, but some like the legion and the insitute are comically stupid

[final temple]

and this layer of larping is basically razor thin.

[heavy patio]

is mobility the best needle gun dump stat?

[drifting heron]

Damage

Or stopping power

Or mobility

Or stability

[ornate fiber]

Honestly, i'm glad the show is depicting the legion as it is. A bunch of morons cosplaying as romans, completely useless without their actually skilled leader

[final temple]

you can dump anything but ammo. mobility is arguably a good stat on it and makes a good combo with a mobility dumped bonesaw.

[astral canyon]

Legion at least was always supposed to be stupid

[ornate fiber]

Yeah, the brotherhood show is a bit weirder

[astral canyon]

Institute was supposed to be cool

Well

[ornate fiber]

Like, I get the evil stuff, but some of them are straight up jackasses

[astral canyon]

Not cool

[livid raven]

after fallout 4 it's not possible to make the institute cool

[astral canyon]

But they were supposed to be more interesting

[final temple]

idk man. the institute was always fucking… weird.

[ornate fiber]

institute is a joke

[astral canyon]

Than what we got in fallout 4

[astral canyon]

Yeah because of bethesda's dogshit writing

[livid raven]

man, the whole synthetics plot thing is the biggest jump of the shark yet

[ornate fiber]

They made a fucking gorilla synth

A GORILLA SYNTH

[limber cradle]

I want to replay NV again tbh

Or mayne 3? I haven't played 3 in 15 years

[ornate fiber]

boy, i have news for you

[livid raven]

they are supposedly remastering it

[ornate fiber]

if rumors are true, fallout 3 remake will drop when the show's season ends

[limber cradle]

I'm gonna be deadass

[livid raven]

i dunno if it's a full on remake

[limber cradle]

I don't like UE5 remasters

[ornate fiber]

because next season will be in the capital

[livid raven]

you should play 2 actually

[limber cradle]

I have

More recently than 3 actually

I played 1 and 2 again within the last year

[livid raven]

you should hop on pathfinder wrath of the righteous actually

[ornate fiber]

I like 3 more than NV, tbh

I'll take the blue filter over the piss filter

[livid raven]

it's green bro

[limber cradle]

I don't like 3 from memory but it's genuinely been over a decade

Story was kinda garbo

[livid raven]

it is pure nonsense

[ornate fiber]

Story was weird, but I can see where they were going

It was kinda ruined by the attempts at recreating fallout 1, though

[limber cradle]

It's pure nonsense and the fact I can't send my literal Ghoul slave to press the buttons is stupid

[brittle sierra]

But since they turned into ghouls that means they must have exited the sub at some point

[ornate fiber]

You can send someone else, but then the game calls you a coward

[limber cradle]

Dumb as fuck

[limber cradle]

I didnt have uhh

Broken steel as a teen

[ornate fiber]

I could remember wrong, but I could swear that, even without broken steel, you could send the Bos paladin girl

[livid raven]

yes

she calls you names and then the game calls you names

[ornate fiber]

broken steel was the devs remembering you could have a super mutant with you, who could, ya know, do it without problem

[limber cradle]

Still get called a coward

[ornate fiber]

(he also calls you a coward)

[limber cradle]

Iirc

Fo3 has actual trash writing lmfao

[livid raven]

i don't think bethesda ever had good writing overall

[ornate fiber]

It has some pretty funny one, though, I'll defend it

[livid raven]

there are some fragments of creativity from some writers

[limber cradle]

Morrowind and oblivion tbh

[livid raven]

but overall their game have shit writing

[ornate fiber]

like the whole virtual reality stuff, with the chinese invasion

that shit's funny

[livid raven]

maybe the only decent part of the main story

[ornate fiber]

or how your dad is voiced by Niam Nelson

Liam*

[livid raven]

i played on the superior language so i couldn't hear that

[ornate fiber]

Also

it gave us the LEGENDARY

TUNNEL SNAKES RULE

And Liberty Prime

[limber cradle]

I'm gonna be honest

The big robot is stupid

[ornate fiber]

Nah, I dig it, but I hate they brought it back for fallout 4

[final temple]

Morrowind was entirely carried by the delicious weirdness that was Kirkbride’s writing.

[limber cradle]

Agreed

[livid raven]

oblivion's main story is also pretty shit in writing

[ornate fiber]

dialogue carries morrowind

delivery is shit, but dialogue is good

[final temple]

I hated how they retconned Cyrodiil from a killer jungle full of bodymorphing alien elves into some boring medieval kingdom

[ornate fiber]

I dont hold any hope for next elder scrolls, tbh, not after Starfield

[final temple]

same

[ornate fiber]

The whole writing will probably be Delphine levels of companions

[livid raven]

can't have worse companions than starfield

[ornate fiber]

didnt they fucking make a adoring fan version in it too ?

[livid raven]

yeah but it's just an easter egg really

it's like a companion in the same way he is a companion in oblivion

it's fine, a bit cheap but inoffensive

[ornate fiber]

Man, if they could let us have anyone as a companion, it'd be actually neat, and if they were as good as dragon's dogma

[supple torrent]

dont worry obsidian will save. TOW3 will be good trust

[final temple]

I would settle for a Morrowind remake

[astral canyon]

Dogma balls

https://tenor.com/view/dr-manhattan-gif-18899941

[tropic crag]

earnestly? morrowind plays fine for how old it is... like the ui is outstanding for the time period it came out in. Rightclick for everything just works

and morrowind graphics look wrong in super hd , it makes morrowind look dumb when people try

the oblivion remake made sense and i'm glad its there but i don't think morrowind needs more than just a repackaging to make sure it just runs on modern machines

[tropic crag]

lol you can get him to appear as part of character creation and he's funnier than in oblivion (i've played way too much starfield)

[astral canyon]

I would settle for a morrorwind demake

[ornate fiber]

I cant handle so much dissapointment, so i'm just gonna wait for mass effect 4 with a noose already prepped up

[tropic crag]

lol like... are morrowinds graphics old? yes. But the artstyle is made just for those graphics so they look weird in HD... even in ESO to me

[final temple]

ESO completely butchered Morrowind, I don't think that is as good a benchmark as it could have been'

[tropic crag]

mass effect 2 was when i gave up hoping for things to get better. When i was fighting a giant skeleton god of war style cliff boss in my space RPG as a finale i knew the series would never be as good as the first game

i liked ME3 ok tho

[tropic crag]

fan made HD morrowind also look like ass tbh, its why i'm saying to just keep it old graphics

[ornate fiber]

mass effect 2 boss is famously bad, but the rest of the game is good

[tropic crag]

naw people like ME2 because of the cool end mission sequence i think... at least when i streamed the whole series like 9 or 10 years ago people were calling me crazy for hating me2 and liking me3

oh i misread sorry i was doing something

but yeah that boss alone made me stop hoping for better mass effect

i'd already gone through them just dropping kotor on obsidians lap

[ornate fiber]

I think it was a case of wanting a narrative, but they had to tie it to the gameplay

issue is that it made for terrible gameplay

mass effect 3 dlc has better regular bosses

so they clearly can do it

[tropic crag]

yeah ME3 just has better gameplay overall, and i don't mind the ending from an actual narrative standpoint (like most of the options being the same option felt like a purposful choice to make a point)

[ornate fiber]

its not the gameplay i'm worried about for mass effect 4 , though

cause andromeda apparently had even better gameplay than 3

[tropic crag]

i never even got that far into andromeda before turning it off..and yeah the gameplay was fine

[ornate fiber]

so clearly, they can make a fun game. Issue is the writing

[tropic crag]

but bioware has been bad at writing since after ME1... or at least thats when it started to go hard downhill

their writing was never as good as obsidian but still they were pretty good before that point

[tender ice]

I dont even remember what happens in ME2 and ME3, I didn't care for them apparently. ME1 I remember everything cuz it was amazing.

[tropic crag]

yeah i mix ME2 and 3 together alot in my head but ME1 is crystal clear

[ornate fiber]

I mean, ME1 was also rather small, writing wise

[tropic crag]

yeah its a tighter game like kotor was

[ornate fiber]

get your companions, do three missions in any order, fight the reaper in the citadel

[tropic crag]

well imean i can remember all 3 of those missions and all the sidequests

[ornate fiber]

yeah, the three missions are very well made

[tropic crag]

i can't even tell you which game i was telling people this was my favorite store in the citadel if my life depended on it

could be 2 or 3 lol

[ornate fiber]

its two, I think, because by three, shit hit the fans

not even sure, to be fair

[tropic crag]

yeah i'm not either lol... 3's like a blur to me and i'm sure i've played it like 4 times

[tender ice]

You just dredged up a buried memory in me, but yeah I couldn't tell you where that was

[ornate fiber]

Also, mass effect 1 where you punch the reporter was better

if only because of the effect of her dropping to the ground

[tropic crag]

lol for story reasons i don't punch the reported in the first game then insta punch every time after that

[ornate fiber]

Mass effect, the entire series, without all the vehicules parts, would be so much better

I hated every single vehicule part in every game

[tropic crag]

when i was younger i'd save ashley but older its kaiden

i love the jank tank in ME1 tbh

[vivid wedge]

I mean really the vehicle is only unbearable on ME1

[tropic crag]

that was the only good vehicle to me, and i feel that way every time i've replayed the series

once you learn the jank you can make it fly like the bouncy boy it is

the other cars are just boring

[ornate fiber]

worst vehicule was the one in the dlc of me2

good fucking lord, I hated that thing

wait no

it was me1

the scientist dlc

with that vehicule

[tropic crag]

lol that dlc feels like a fan made mod

[ornate fiber]

the entire series has bad history with dlcs

because unfinished ones, and ones that should have been in the base game but werent

[tropic crag]

i think the only dlc people liked was the party one i've never played... ineed to do a run through with the legendary edition or whatever its called that has everything since i got that some time back

i played ME1 in it again but then stopped there lol

[ornate fiber]

Nah, there are several good ones

shadow broker, the heist, the citadel (party)

the leviathan stuff was kinda weird

[tropic crag]

from what i remember ME2 is even weirder if you can't remember what is dlc and what is base game on a replay

[ornate fiber]

I think the missions where sheperd accidentally kills several thousands batarians is dlc, which is dumb

[tropic crag]

the bounty hunter guys story is really... bare bones in terms of how well its presented from what i remember... but the character is good

classic shep moment tbh

[ornate fiber]

its genuinely funny. several dozen thousands dead, but since they are batarians, nobody gives a shit

[tropic crag]

when you get into the flow and start bouncing it over the mountains

[tropic crag]

shep's def already done worse by that point depending on the paths chosen

[tropic crag]

thats why that one is fun, the other ones its just boring "drive here, snipe, drive here,snipe"

[ornate fiber]

I think it was done slightly better in the moon mission (though you had to snipe stuff in it too)

[tropic crag]

i think the car combat has always been bad in all the games so i just like the doing it in a tumble dryer over a car... and yeah i just snipe on the moon prestige mission lol

the best part of ME1 is that dumb lama horse thing that steals your money when you're not looking

i always forget where it is and laugh every time i find it

[ornate fiber]

The best part of ME1 is the sense of wonder and discovery

all the interesting species, and this world

cause humanity has just arrived

[tropic crag]

the best part of game is the one two punch of the "we stand the line" speech and then finally being able to get rid of ashley

[ornate fiber]

The worst part is somehow ending in a romance with ashley even though you tried to avoid it, because you are waiting for Tali in ME2 to be your romance

yes, it happened to me, AGAIN, in the legendary edition

[tropic crag]

and yeah i liked some of the aliens... the "blue women that are super ok to lust after because actually thats how their species works 🤓 " species is silly... garrus's people are boring... the rest i all like actually

[tropic crag]

jack is the only viable romance in 2 lol

[vivid wedge]

I actually prefer Legion romance

[tropic crag]

i always forget legion was a thing, he feels like 7 of 9 and the doctor from voyager mixed together into a character whos trying to learn about humans

[reef spoke]

God I love the Mako

[ornate fiber]

I love Legion, but only if you mod him in to be available MUCH earlier, as he was supposed to be

[vivid wedge]

Legion, Garus and Thane MVP companions change my mind

[reef spoke]

it was the original Skyrim horse lmao

[ornate fiber]

Legion having lines for so many missions he isnt supposed to be in is so sad to see

[vivid wedge]

I never knew that

[ornate fiber]

Oh yeah, he has tons of lines you cannot hear without modding the game

[tropic crag]

he still comes in pretty early on, like he isn't an early character but you get alot of time with him

[ornate fiber]

Nah, he is the last companion you get

comes very late

[tropic crag]

yeah and you have a full group for a while tbh, unless you took a weird path or something, the first 2 games are pretty short tho

[ornate fiber]

the issue is that, in mass effect 2, you have limited time after getting legion's loyalty mission, to rescue your full crew

if you take too long, some of your crew get turned to goo

[tropic crag]

yeah but its not like strict, you can do everything and waste time and be fine

[ornate fiber]

Nah, its very strict

its 3 missions, no exception

[tropic crag]

yeah but i was saying that like... by the time you have to loyalty of legion done what else are you really doing?

[ornate fiber]

But you dont get only his

you get several loyalty missions at the same time

[tropic crag]

by the time the timer starts i've always never needed to use the whole time

i've earnestly never see any crew die, i originally played it blind without guides or anything

i remember people complaining about it when i streamed as well and i was like "guys what do you mean?" and yeah i had no issue

maybe i path weird or something

[ornate fiber]

also, Legion during your first meeting with Tali in ME2 is gold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcT0Lf4lJo0

[tropic crag]

thane is the baby krogan super clone you pick up right?

[vivid wedge]

No Thane is the Drell assassin

[tropic crag]

ohhhhh i like thane

[vivid wedge]

Grunt is the Krogan super clone

[tropic crag]

i also always forget he's a character that happened

[heavy patio]

is the crowbar dump stat mobility or smth else?

[tropic crag]

I like grunt more than legion and i treat them as the same sort of character... like they are both "naive but dangous entities learning about themselves and how they interact with this world"

[tender ice]

mobility

[rough peak]

Aw man... and here I was gonna go dump first target. My day has been ruined

[heavy patio]

i need to try and gamble for a 60 crit bone saw so i can actually play my build optimally lol

rn im SO SLOWWW because i picked up a 60 mobility one

[tropic crag]

at least its only kind of gambling, its not "oh man will i get this" but it is "how much will this cost me this time?"

[tender ice]

Actually dump Defense, I forgot crowbar was the one with that

[rough peak]

Only for hadron to screw you over with 2 bad perks and blessings

[ornate fiber]

wait, you folks are lacking for money ?

[tropic crag]

i dropped below 1 mill for the first time in a long time but i was being wasteful with scum making a ton of sets and dupe weapons so i wouldn't have to change them

[heavy patio]

im lacking money enough to where i am gambling but with time (constantly checking the armoury for the weapon i need)

[rough peak]

This is rookie numbers compared to when we could only change 2 blessings/perks

[tropic crag]

i'm back at like 1.8 mill at the moment, i might drain it buy buying cosmetics for my non oggy characters

[ornate fiber]

i think i'm at like 10M

even after scum

[tropic crag]

i've been taking enough breaks that the two new classes hit my resources, i still dont' have to worry about them but a couple are getting lower

[tender ice]

I'm at I think 17 mil after finishing Hivescum. I only gambled for shivs, everything else I found in the shop for 10k so I didn't even spend hardly anything lol

Well, I did spend probably 500k just on blanks to feed to Hadron for mastery

[tropic crag]

i spent alot of money maxing out the masteries so i could just play around with the weapons

yeah lol

i also never know how many i need to buy so i just spam the button and waste like 200k extra because i wasn't thinking

[tender ice]

I'm too stingy to do that even when I have more than I know what to do with

[tranquil turret]

Commissary cosmetics are pretty much just recolors though

[supple torrent]

Ok I know it might be bad but runing HV and HC together feels soo good

[tranquil turret]

Personally I'd use gold to just power level masteries, doesn't cost too much eitehr

[tropic crag]

honestly its not even "bad" its just "two good things stepping on eachothers feet while still working kind of"

[tranquil turret]

what's the best melee weapon to topple a crew of crushers while speccing mostly into range line?

[supple torrent]

to kill them? Shivs probably

[tranquil turret]

no problem thanks 😄

[supple torrent]

Throw the special throwing knife at their heads to apply poison and then just heavy attack them

[abstract inlet]

Caxe is pretty good, just lacks mobility

[supple torrent]

Sometimes I feel a little spicy and go canopener crowbar to apply brittle. Then I gun them down

[tropic crag]

you could probably also get by with something like the chainsword, it wouldn't be as fast as other options but it could work well enough and work on other things

[grand tartan]

hey someone could send me some good builds options?

[supple torrent]

Check the pinned messages

[grand tartan]

wich one would u recommend

[tropic crag]

they all work tbh, its kind of a "pick your playstyle" sort of thing with scum

[supple torrent]

I mean what do you want to play as? Most builds either specialise into guns, melee or toxin

Really just level up your scum and that should get you comfortable enough to pick one yourself

[tropic crag]

and tox builds can be both melee and ranged focused

[tender ice]

I made this build, I don't know if its optimized but its very fun and strong. I haven't taken it into high havoc but it handles everything else no sweat https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a09edc2d-e8e5-4b9e-89ee-2f4b97078b2c/crackhead-with-a-stick

[grand tartan]

tysm all of u :D

[supple torrent]

pickpocket+needle pistol and its effects are have been detrimental to the brain matter of scummers everywhere

[tender ice]

Just spam swing your crowbar at head level and pop your stim and rampage when you're in the thick on things. And poison anything big that shows up before you smack it around

[grand tartan]

ill see wich one i choose tysm, im new to the game only got arbitrer to 30 and now gonna try hive so

[final temple]

as long as you know how to dodge, you will be brilliant as scum

[tender ice]

hivescum is way squishier than arby so you have to dodge or you will eat dirt

But its a lot of fun and really high damage output

[grand tartan]

ill try best

my best*

[supple torrent]

Since you're coming from Arby just make sure to take the nodes that increase toughness

and regen it

[bronze glade]

You can also build for durability on HIV

It’s not THAT bad when you hit 30

But leveling you’ll feel it for sure

[grand tartan]

im between picking dual guns and the bonesaw one

[tender ice]

The build I linked it nice because it keeps everything off of you while you stagger it with your crowbar at lightning speed. Pretty good tankiness for scum

[tropic crag]

i would try all sorts of things tbh once you hit 30. Because the scum has so many buffs to weapons and stuff that some weapons might suprise you with how much you enjoy them

[grand tartan]

ill try that then yeah

thanks guys

[tropic crag]

have fun, and don't worry if you get beat up badly for the first little while, it'll get better

whelp time to finish up the chem based penances i've been putting off... then onto the ranged ones

[rough peak]

tfw the randos know what they're doing on excise vault's end event

Haven't seen that in a while <.<

[tropic crag]

which event is that? the one with all the vaults around you have to find the items in and carry them to the middle? or a different one

[rough peak]

The one where you gotta find the vaults with the fuel thingies in them

in the big arena with 3 levels

the middle level being where you put them, the top and bottom being where the things are

[tropic crag]

yeah that one... its either fast and easy or a nightmare if the team just... stops doing the objective

[leaden fable]

I had this happen to me and was shocked lol, I didn't do a single objective

[rough peak]

I only helped defend someone carrying 2 of the canisters

[tropic crag]

yeah most games i just play kill team for the carry person but some games i'll be the sprint slide carrier

[rough peak]

I generally have to be the one to get canisters in that map

same goes for enclavum baross' mid event

I almost always have to get both canisters on enclavum baross

[tropic crag]

usually i have to be the one doing the killing, if no one carries then i'll pick up the objective and we'll get overrun so i'll drop it and usually someone else grabs it at that point

or its just easy and i walk it in

i always instantly opt to carry if the team is just... killing it because i like being lazy during those events and carrying is the lazy job

[supple torrent]

Honestly never have issues with teamates getting them. But if they're getting overwhelmed usually I have to break away to grab them

[rough peak]

With me it's the opposite. My teammates almost always just focus on killing

[tropic crag]

yeah alot of times even if i want to grab it one person on my team is like speedrun routing it to grab it first

[rough peak]

You guys are lucky x.x

[supple torrent]

get better teamates. you deserve better

[tropic crag]

lol there are sometimes i get games where i have to do it all, the worst is when it happens on train

[supple torrent]

Train is a whole different story

Everyone just loses their minds.

[tropic crag]

train really works best when its two groups splitting up for that part

and alot of teams do that naturally now adays

[rough peak]

Jokes on you... my mind was already lost

[tropic crag]

but yeah some just freak out and die at that part

[abstract inlet]

Train is probably the only time I speak so that we don't get tied down in hordes

[tropic crag]

all the auric qp trains i've done this week have went suuuuuuper smooth

[supple torrent]

I usually just rush the canisters. I never feel like I can trust my team for them.

[tropic crag]

had 2 really bad train runs last week tho

[abstract inlet]

I usually rush canisters to keep the ones who do alive

[supple torrent]

thank you for ur service pal

[tropic crag]

i always rush up first, if no one is also rushing bottom then i drop down because the close top one is easier to grab second

[supple torrent]

I will not return for you after I collect the canister

[rough peak]

[tropic crag]

but if someone is rushing low then i grab the top can and carry it down then cover fire the people running the low one back

[rough peak]

I feel like if I even got one of you then every canister event would go 100% smoothly

I'm so used to not trusting randos ever

[tropic crag]

i do see alot of people going "wow what a smooth game" or "great team" in what i consider very normal matches lol

[rough peak]

Idc if they are generally going to be better, randos are randos

[supple torrent]

I really need to learn the proper way to do phage tree

[tropic crag]

like the minigame?

[supple torrent]

Naah just when to actually try to fix it

[tropic crag]

yeah i mean you don't know the little game you have to play for it? because it took me a second to figure it out also lol

[supple torrent]

I always feel like it takes too long but I never feel safe enough to attempt doing it cus phage tree is the vietnam of DT

[tropic crag]

ohhhhh

yeah its bad sometimes

you just have to wait it out for a while sometimes and thats all you can do

because you're just out in the open with your back to like 4 spawn points for snipers and stuff

[rough peak]

Yeah, I only do hab dreyko when I have easy hitstun immunity

It's cancer otherwise

[tropic crag]

and bombers become lethal near the tree because the roots get stuck on your feet when you try to dodge and stuff

[supple torrent]

Yeah I had a weird game where we stuck there for minutes and I was constantly saving my teammates. I just decided to rush it and completed all 3 fixes. Only got interrupted once

[tropic crag]

but if you fight there for long enought the ai director realizes you stalled and gives you a break... so a good number of matches end up just waiting for the small break to fix it

[supple torrent]

Maybe that's it.

[tropic crag]

that finale is the one with the long hectic run/fight to extract also isn't it?

[supple torrent]

^

I lost that run by the way

good old dreyko extraction throw

[shy blaze]

what do the special atk of the poison pistol do ?

[tropic crag]

lol yeah, i've had more than a few runs end there because i'm king of falling off ledges and often one of the main people holding the team together

[tropic crag]

on the mark you start with its an aoe cc explosion that knocks guys around... on the other mark its a poison explosions when the enemy dies and it spreads posions around

the one with CC is better for single target in the main mode i think?

[supple torrent]

I started panicking cus my teammates started dying at the bridge. So I tried to rush through the little gap and the director spawned a horde of maulers and a trapper behind them.

[shy blaze]

oki ty !

[final temple]

technically. practically you won’t notice the difference. you can use either.

[tropic crag]

lol yeah that finale looooves spawning hordes of ragers or maulers around there

[tropic crag]

yeah its like a crit difference on one of the modes or something... which just means more double stacks... which you don't need at all lol

[supple torrent]

I should have played safer but I knew my team was going to get bogged down. I was planning on just ditching them and rushing ahead to extraction but I took too long to commit to abandonng them

Well at that point it was just one dude left so eh

[tropic crag]

hell rushing might have run you into another crazy spawn later down the line tbh

sometimes clutching is just a gamble either way

[supple torrent]

Yeah it kinda sucked. Half the team was really struggling through the mission but they had the decency to stick around after dying multiple times.

[tropic crag]

i can never get mad at my team for doing badly, hell some games i'll just fall apart and die like twice lol. But i will get grumpy if they are jerks are start harassing someone who is doing badly

[final temple]

we were all once shit until we weren’t anymore. can’t enjoy good matches without giving new shitters time to deshittify

[supple torrent]

I try not to but smykers are one exceptions

I've seen things.

Someone needs to have a word with them about fundamentals

[tropic crag]

some smykers are comically bad, pretty sure they are the same players i saw refusing to ever melee even when backed into a corner by maulers when scum came out

[supple torrent]

I saw one somehow get killed by pox walkers behind him while holding down smite. Really bothered me. But it isn't appropriate to criticise another player after I failed to dodge a crusher overhead.

[amber sundial]

ok so skill issue to crusher overhead isnt the same as skill issue to 7 trillion kidney stabs

you can still criticise

[tropic crag]

had a guy get mad at me after i typed "lol" when i failed to dodge a single poxie when i was on one hit after a bad mutie into fire moment... he thought i was laughing at them or something? and not the fact that i died to the dumbest thing after living through hell

[amber sundial]

some people be self centered like that

[tropic crag]

its all fun and games till a mutie decides to dip you in a bit of fire for flavor

[vale viper]

Love it when people rage

Don't even care if it's justified lmao it's funny as hell

[supple torrent]

Man for the past few days I've been getting comboed by muties into lines of gunners.

I've died more to them than the whole trapper+flamer shenanigans.

[tropic crag]

raging is fine, it pisses me off if i'm carrying a team and then one of those people starts passive aggressively picking on another person... its the only time i've rage quit games because i won't carry someone doing that

i've only done that like twice tho over the years

[tropic crag]

i feel like there are more stealth muties when multiple spawn at once so we're getting blind sided more but i could be wrong

same thing seems to be happening with bursters or something like that

also been getting a few silent dogs

[lilac ermine]

@vale viper

When ppl get mad for desperadoing alll over the place

[hardy spruce]

hi darcy

[shy blaze]

all the '' atk speed '' buff in laboratory are stacking, right ?

[astral canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1272804331497979935/1450700850132418651/Kill_All_Smykers.gif

[tender ice]

Yup

[shy blaze]

oki, ty !

and, about the toxic pistole, do the damage on my hit, is affect the damage of the dot i put on the ennemy ?

[supple torrent]

You mean the damage stat?

[idle ore]

no

[shy blaze]

i mean, i know '' more i hit the ennemy, more the dot do damage '' BUT , if i shoot one time at 500 damage, and one time at 800 damage, do the shot at 800 damage will put a better dot than the 500 one ?

[idle ore]

no

[shy blaze]

ok so no point to try to crit with the mpistol if im fulml toxin build

[idle ore]

crit applies an extra stack

[sly hollow]

A lot of the blessings are worthless on the weapon

[idle ore]

for the m6

[shy blaze]

crit apply more stack on the nedle pistol ? ooh oki

[idle ore]

check pins for difference between marks

[idle ore]

as do weakspot hits

[shy blaze]

so a crit on weakspot do 3 stack ?

[idle ore]

check pins

it explains everything

[shy blaze]

what is pins ? ( got some translate issue sometimes )

[idle ore]

oh no worries

here it is

[shy blaze]

oh

ty

[idle ore]

i meant the discord pinned mesages in this channel

[shy blaze]

oh ok

[supple torrent]

Oh it does an extra stack in close range. Didnt know that

[idle ore]

at any range

unless u mean for the special

[supple torrent]

oh wait thats 0.825m

[idle ore]

yea

[supple torrent]

Why is that even there

[final temple]

because you can shoot the ground and apply stacks

[bronze glade]

AOE

[final temple]

you could theoretically shoot at a corner or some simple coverage and flush out whatever is hiding with it. but I haven’t personally seen that work out in any relevant way

[hardy maple]

they're just mad they couldnt keep up

[supple torrent]

Oh thats interesting

[sonic pumice]

what melee you folk use to pair with your DBarrel shotguns?

[tropic crag]

if they are going desp i would guess shivs or one of the axes probably

but i don't actually know

[supple torrent]

fat shark needs to allow scum to pickup medstimms

christ

[tropic crag]

i think its a valid trade off for having a second active ablity tbh

[supple torrent]

My veterans entire hp bar is corrupted. 1 person down. I have like 20 hp.

Im spam pinging him to pickup the medstimm

gloriana an we barely survived the first event and our carry is down.

Players dont use stimms and I dont know why

[sonic pumice]

i feel that there is a good argument for using the purple mode of the saw, the rending for it to deliver a shotgun shot to a brittle crusher is quite the impact

[tropic crag]

i've heard people doing that tbh

[sonic pumice]

because they are dumb, stim away like they are potions on a GK Kruber

[tropic crag]

only like 2 people but still yeah thats probably something people do with bonesaw

[tropic crag]

the game wasn't really originally made with them in mind because they weren't added till a bit after release and they felt super tacked on for a long time so i think players just never feel the need to learn their use cases

even tho they are really good

[sonic pumice]

the thing is that Saw NEEDS the attack speed from swift endurance, it feels awful without it

[supple torrent]

Naah the game is like 3 years old now there's no excuse

[tropic crag]

if you're only using it for the odd armor in melee (because shotgun desp won't be meleeing that much) then its fine

[supple torrent]

And I cant cover my teammates being bad cus i cant even use it on them

[tropic crag]

i was more saying the entire player experience leading up to havoc never gives the player a reason to learn, so it leads to people being worse at using them then even in vt2

[tropic crag]

i just ping them and forget about them, it might not matter either way so i just keep doing the best motions to win instead of trying to force a player to play better

[sonic pumice]

the shotgun can get in situations where you want a good melee to cut down a swarm of enemies near you from time to time, not even the large ones
so i do feel i need a functional weapon in those cases or it can lose a fair bit of health

[tropic crag]

i feel like pocket sand can save those situations sometimes

but yeah if no pocket sand then you're right

[sonic pumice]

I usually use Psand on the Plasteel Jerk congas (crusher bulwark combos) to make room early on, i dont save it for fodder enemies

[vale viper]

Okay I had two matches on hive scum so far

[supple torrent]

I think ur ready for havoc 40

[vale viper]

Granted it's on the lowest difficulty, wasnt as squishy as I thought

Definitely more mindful of dodging compared to playing Arbites but it's ok

[vale viper]

People were reacting like you'd die if a pube hit you

[supple torrent]

They did a few balance passes on scum

[rough peak]

I mean if that pube is a crusher overhead on damnation? Probably... otherwise? Nah

[supple torrent]

And your better durability nodes are easier to access

[spark gyro]

People exaggerate hive scum squishiness like they did for psyker

[supple torrent]

There were also a few bugs making scum squishier than usual

Also lowest difficulty

[spark gyro]

It's just that after arbeetus, people weren't used to not just flailing their arms around and getting their entire toughness back

[rough peak]

even after playing a ton of arbiter I never got relaxed being able to take a hit and get instant toughness refills

Ironbreaker didn't do that to me, arbiter couldn't either

I'm just glad darktide doesn't have slave rats that spawn behind you sometimes already in the middle of their attack animation

[sonic pumice]

People experimenting the Lex and making them weak is proof that we all are lexbreakers

[spark gyro]

I currently play arbeetus without force of will

Which is that stupid dumbfuck node that gives me 10% toughness per stagger

[sonic pumice]

I play Arby like im ogryn, protect lil humies, keep dogo fed with sniper snacks like its rock

its basically the same

[spark gyro]

Arby looking at the ogryn like he was Ryan Gosling

[rough peak]

The funny thing about arby is it made me a bit more vigilant about avoiding hits because of not always having hitstun immunity like I did on zealot

Sure I could get all my toughness back almost immediately, but, being able to get hitstunned into 5 more hits is rough

[eager reef]

DB despacito might be the most fun i;ve had in awhile

i love firing a 3rd shot from the warp

[sonic pumice]

DB shotgun Scums are a different form of psykers

[supple torrent]

Arbites made me respect staggering more.

[eager reef]

anythign DB doesnt kill gets flung, it's so funny watching maulers and crushers tumble

[rough peak]

Arbiter unironically made me respect not having a free hitstun immunity(that wasn't always active) more

[bronze glade]

purg psyker specifically

[spark gyro]

Getting stunned out of throwing the shock mine

https://tenor.com/view/horse-pixel-horse-fuck-you-fuck-u-horse-middle-finger-gif-15888143319771112924

[rough peak]

Getting stunned out of the killing blow to the crusher, causing it to 1 shot your teammate

[eager reef]

i know im doing it right when im 900 kills deep

[supple torrent]

I used to run zealot without twbs. Doesnt get anymore painful than that

with a 2hander weapon

[rough peak]

Despite having true grit on all my builds I relied on it as much as I did until death... aka: not at all. It was just there in case I fucked up

[bronze glade]

depends on the wep

some def don't need TWBS

like evis mk15 and RB mk x

[rough peak]

Actively trying harder to avoid all hits due to the arby hitstun immunity not always being guaranteed to be up made me play better tbh

[supple torrent]

I was running the other marks for both weapons

[bronze glade]

enjoy the talent tax for running the worse versions of each

[spark gyro]

I tried it on uhhh hammer and it was so bad

Not to mention the movement penalty from charging heavies

I never realized how awful it was until I put a point into unfaltering

[rough peak]

thammer without twbs/unfaltering is rough

[spark gyro]

Now playing hammer is fun

[supple torrent]

It taught me alot about proper spacing

[spark gyro]

Ish

[supple torrent]

But games started to get way harder and I couldnt justify not having it

[rough peak]

For me it's about the quality of life of twbs... aka being able to get hit on the auspex minigame thing and not knocked out of it

and not getting hitstunned into 23409583240958 other hits

I like quality of life things

[supple torrent]

That's what changed my mind. I kept saying "just be better and space your hits more" but theres no replacement for twbs on objectives

[rough peak]

idc about needing to space my hits more, I care more about how it feels to play

part of the reason I don't play vet much is cause I just don't like how it feels to play vet

[bronze glade]

twbs gets me killed because i'm not used to having it

and i don't notice when i get chunked

[rough peak]

That doesn't happen to me cause I'm still trying equally hard to avoid hits even with it x.x

even more so after arby

Just cause I didn't get interrupted doesn't mean I'm okay with the hit landing on me

[supple torrent]

I didnt want to rely on it too much since it felt like I was developing bad habits. And when I played other classes I forgot they dont have twbs.

[spark gyro]

I played melee psyker and melee vet before it was cool, so I developed an extra sharp sense for survival

[supple torrent]

But these days it just feels like a part fo zealots power budget and im used to dodging more

[rough peak]

I said it earlier and I'll say it again: If Ironbreaker didn't make me develop bad habits, arby/oggy/twbs on zelly won't

and ironbreaker was much closer to being an actual tank

[spark gyro]

It's not to say I'm good at using my sense

But it's there

Somewhere

[rough peak]

I know that relaxing on taking a hit leads to taking multiple hits which leads to death...

and I like avoiding death

I'm too paranoid to willingly let myself take a hit without trying to do everything in my power to avoid taking it

I've gotten chunked too many times in the past to relax x.x

my ror2 experience probably does help a bit with that cause any hit can equal instant death after a certain point in ror2 >.>'

[supple torrent]

I played saltzpure in vt2 and then went to DT and played zealot before I learned proper melee. I got every bad zealot bad habit

Well excluding stealth zealot

[rough peak]

Oof

darktide zealot made me a better vt2 zealot, tbh

Edging is great until it isn't on the vt2 zealot

Having a buffer of real health sometimes isn't the worst

[supple torrent]

yeah i drink the medkit koolaid sometimes. Just to put myselof over the threshold

[rough peak]

sure having the max buffs helps you avoid hits sometimes, but, sometimes even with that benefit you still get hit

or your teammates shoot you

I'm convinced having your teammates proc your cheat death is a rite of passage in vt2 on zealot

[spark gyro]

Holy Sigmar, ravage this blessed body

[rough peak]

I love having 4 of those

[spark gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/garn-47-garn47-car-huh-confused-gif-14701624453881581373

erm what the sigmar

[noble kayak]

how much toxin does the cleaver applies?

[brittle sierra]

Not enough 😔

[noble kayak]

numbers please

[supple torrent]

Im pretty sure the overhead applies twice

when it rips

[lilac stirrup]

with this setup and shivs, should i be spamming lights or heavies in a horde?

[bronze glade]

Lights are generally better

[supple torrent]

you always spam lights into hordes

[bronze glade]

Make sure to take battering strikes

[supple torrent]

for mk2 shivs

wait actually i dont know the mk. The first shivs

[supple torrent]

Its not about your talent setup. Its about your weapon combo

MK1 shiv light attacks are sweeps and are good for horde clear. The Heavies are single target

[lilac stirrup]

i thought this implied it hit only the first target

[noble kayak]

Bone Saw only One? Dang

[supple torrent]

huh didnt realised they counted as assassin. But no the light attacks hit multiple targets.

[bronze glade]

They actually still have decent cleave

As usual stat card is misleading

[supple torrent]

only free source of tox on melee. 0 requirements. If you crit its 2 stacks and ur probably going to crit. the ripping attack should apply it twice

[noble kayak]

Where did you find this? Can't fidn it in steam forums or any

[supple torrent]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3586590987

[noble kayak]

Thank you so much

[supple torrent]

guide for most classes

and enemy interactions since DT isn't very descriptive

[tropic crag]

lol bistol gunscum is so funny

[spark gyro]

[sullen ridge]

too much minmaxxing 😵‍💫

ive got a really good dual stub build that gets 70% crits in missions, i just have trouble dealing with carapace

should i take a 15% crit stim or 15% rending stim to compensate?

crits pen armor so idk

guess i could see sefoni

[near mauve]

just use shivs

[sullen ridge]

zzz

i prefer gun fu

i already got arthritis from combat knife zealot since beta

[near mauve]

straight up gun fuing it

[sullen ridge]

YESSIR

get an autofire mod if ur using the stubs, feels so much better

[shut turtle]

whats the best blessings for needle pistol

[tropic crag]

i use run and gun and ghost but you can use others... none of them really super work with the gun

[shut turtle]

what is the dump stat for the bone saw

[sullen ridge]

running shredder autopistol