hivescum-class

[light phoenix]

How about we get partial friendly fire?

Something simple like knockback from explosions like Ogryn Frag Bomb, Boombringer, Psyker Peril Explosion etc

[golden lark]

What's a good melee weapon I can use if I want to deal with a pack of crushers... I normally just use RPG but I like using chem grenades lol

[bronze glade]

Rashad shiv knife chaxe

[astral canyon]

god fuck no

how

literally how

[mighty belfry]

with this game's playerbase?

you're actually insane.

[bronze glade]

I like the idea

But friendly fire should only work against psykers

[light phoenix]

Using Smite turns on friendly fire against Psykers

[icy scaffold]

Darktide once an Admech class drops

[light phoenix]

Admech class might be our first "genderless" class lol

Though granted no matter what gender our Operatives are, doesn't matter once they're covered in cosmetics

[austere coyote]

some Admech are still gendered

like hadron is still identifiably a woman

[foggy phoenix]

Will it come with a tabletop rebalance to make them relevant again 👀

[final temple]

Fun little tidbit: there are no examples of genderless admech members.

[rough nimbus]

Ogryns are ogryn. No gender

[final temple]

every member described in any novel clearly remembers their binary pronouns. they might not act according to societal expectations, but they are pretty much written through that lense.

[final temple]

female ogryns exist. and so do vatborn ogryns.

[rough nimbus]

Not in game. They're ogryns

[final temple]

they might be vatborn.

[rough nimbus]

Ogryn

[final temple]

the bully clearly enjoys drag.

[woeful hill]

Ogryn

[final temple]

change my mind 😄

[drifting heron]

What

This is just wrong

Damn I can't find the image

[brittle sierra]

Mechanicus is a trans allegory

Change my mind

[drifting heron]

I have an image somewhere that lists most queer characters in 40k books

and like half of it is admech

[brittle sierra]

All

[drifting heron]

Its sadly outdated though

[junior dune]

transhuman is kinda trans

[drifting heron]

Explicitly

So people can't um actually it

[brittle sierra]

The woke virus even infects workshop 😔

[final temple]

no. it’s true. there are no mechanicus characters with neutral pronouns. they are all binary gendered. some of course are depicted in ways that they have transcended these categories. but they are written as gendered grammatically.

I am not claiming that they perceive themselves in such binary ways. but that the authors gender them binarily. And I really don’t know if that isn’t some sort of in-joke.

actually. I have to take that back. apparently there are a few examples I just found.

• Imperator: Wrath of the Omnissiah has a Magos Dominus using ve/vis, so I stand corrected.

[tawdry cipher]

can anyone give me a tldr if I should or should not buy this class

[woeful hill]

its fun

[upbeat gyro]

Glass cannon on meth shooting extremely fast with nearly unlimited ammo

[bronze glade]

It’s unlimited ammo

[final temple]

it’s not even a glass cannon. but your defense relies on a solid grasp of the basics of combat. contrary to arbites which can facetank a lot.

[bronze glade]

You can build it as a glass cannon

But definitely not required

[upbeat gyro]

Im having loads of fun with it, still leveling and no regrets so far

[tawdry cipher]

glass cannon infinite ammo 🤔

You could technically build vet as a glass cannon too

ig the difference is infinite ammo?

[tropic crag]

honestly its not even glass cannon with some builds, some builds are downright sturdy

and the damage is still high lol

[bronze glade]

It’s much more of a run and gun class and def gets better ammo economy

Vet ammo economy ultimately is very gun dependent

HIV farts ammo out its ass

[tropic crag]

scum is basically the slayer of this game, it just makes every weapon you put in its hands better with a few tradeoffs (but they aren't bad tradeoffs lol)

[tawdry cipher]

nice

[eager reef]

Also triple barrel shotgun

[icy scaffold]

How much do you like being made of glass? How much do you like being super mobile? How much does infinite ammo or funny berserk melee speed appeal to you? Does having to use stims bother you?

[eager reef]

Ya like drugs son? We got alot of those

[rough peak]

It's like if zealot, psyker, and vet all had a baby

and that baby was the hive scum class

[candid flint]

pain

but man i love the crowbar

regular hishock auric turned into true duo with a poor playstation player

[woeful hill]

the next scoreboard will cover the entire screen and it will show enemy damage delt to player

[eager reef]

This has been happening to me alot

[woeful hill]

for each enemy

[eager reef]

Players drop and wd just dont get replacements

[candid flint]

because people rage quit and the join game mid progress thing is bugged

[eager reef]

Im not actually upset tbh

[rough peak]

This seems to happen a lot more to maps that are about to get removed from the board

[eager reef]

It's pushed me through fixing bad habits and has made me play alot better

[candid flint]

that is exactly the cause

maps that get removed from the board wont allow people to join

[rough peak]

I used this earlier in an uprising run to get the 2k seconds of chem dependancy completed in 1 go >.>

other players can't complain about me wasting time when I'm the only player

[candid flint]

80% superiority uptime

on crowbar

wish this mod would show stacks, like the uptime mod

hidden mvp

explosive bistol

i use it as a stun tool

and elite patrol softener

sometimes i will purposely miss, hit the ground, just for the stun

so i dont kill steal from myself

to keep adrenaline/superiority/rampage going

[ripe fjord]

I see so many Hivescum run infantry auto gun now

[rough peak]

It's a very powerful weapon on this class

[ripe fjord]

Idk if I'm missing something or what but it feels so much shittier to use than dual Uzis, my crack theory with no evidence is that Tanners video on it was some weird social experiment he wanted to do to see how much influence he has on the community to just believe shit without question when it actually sucks

[rough peak]

It relies heavily on finesse damage, afaik

[ripe fjord]

Used IAG for a bunch of games and couldn't proc shit and my desperado would never be extended any considerable amount

While my dual MAC-10s just fuckin eviscerated hordes faster than relic blade zealot

[rough peak]

I am not a fan of the infantry autogun myself, so I can't tell you how you're supposed to use it to do good with it

I just don't like how the gun handles

[ripe fjord]

I like it just not on HS, but that's just my crack theory is all

[vivid wedge]

I too hate the IAG

[rough peak]

I don't hate the gun itself, I just hate how the handling on it feels. If I got past that I'm pretty sure I'd like the gun

[prime violet]

Great gun. Until there is one crusher.

[rough peak]

... doesn't that describe most guns, though...?

[prime violet]

Needle pistol enters chat

[rough peak]

At least most automatic ones

[prime violet]

Bolter enters chat

But yes, carapace kind of ass

[rough peak]

Hence why I initially said most, and not all. I knew better than to say all >.>

[eager reef]

Ragdolling a crusher with DB is funny

[exotic temple]

Which iag were you using? Vraks at close range mulched everything

You have to ads unless you are point blank with an enemy or the bloom goes nuts

And you can still slide and shoot the gun so you don’t lose out on the run and gun play style

[ripe fjord]

MK V

The small blue one

[vast vapor]

I hope the next playable character is a Heretic. Have cool gear.

[woeful hill]

with the current downhill trend of viability the dlc classes have I see them only being malice viable if they do release them

[zealous ravine]

psyker needs 5 more scriers buffs to be malice viable

[light phoenix]

Heretek*

[sullen ridge]

spent 50k at kralls and all i got was this lousy cosplay

[sullen ridge]

being short makes you bad at the game

if ur too short you cant shoot elites over a horde

[hardy canyon]

yall think this is a good crowbar stat?

[sacred kernel]

Beat my first 40 while on a hive scum today! 🎉

[eager reef]

You meme but ive been messing with a 60 damage DB for some stupidity

(The memeing is me it was a terrible idea)

[mighty belfry]

Remember friends. Hive Scum is not Havoc viable.

Reddit said so, so it has to be true.

Also.

I am shocked to say that I'm actually really liking Like the Wind.

[spiral rover]

so I'm wanting a weapon for my melee hive scum build but I think I want something a bit more oomph than the shivs without sacrificing too much speed, what weapon would yall recommend? I've seen some people running the cleaver, how does that do against groups?

[limber cradle]

Tac Axe

[spiral rover]

oh no it's zealot all over again

[limber cradle]

Can't speak for Cleaver, tried it, hated it

[spiral rover]

I could never get the tac axe to work

[drifting heron]

Unfortunate

Try again

[spiral rover]

how tho

[limber cradle]

I mean

How didn't it work for you

Iirc one of the marks is m1 spam

[drifting heron]

(The bad one)

[limber cradle]

Yeah

The other one iirc only wants you to push attack heavy

[drifting heron]

I think you can make it work if you fuck it up on rampage juice

But mk4 is not it

[limber cradle]

Rampage makes anything work

[drifting heron]

The other 2

[limber cradle]

They're not very complex weapons tbh

[drifting heron]

The difference between them is your out of stamina combo

[unreal stirrup]

one in a kerillian

[spiral rover]

don't you need some specific perk on it tho or smth

I don't remember

[drifting heron]

Yes

Tac axe is specific

Brutal Momentum Headtaker
Flak + unarmored/carapace

[limber cradle]

Tbh

I do unyielding+cara

[drifting heron]

Yeah that works

As long as you can pass bruiser oneshot

Flak just makes it so shotgunners and ragers aren't as large of speedbumps

[woeful hill]

Flak/cara/unyield/maniac whatever you want

Unarmored wasn't needed for zealot. No talents only needed like 2-3 stacks of HT

So same would apply to scum

[drifting heron]

I take it so stuff is more consistent

Or I don't

I really don't remember

[mighty belfry]

it's funny dodging gunner lines

without actually dodging

[light phoenix]

Do yall thinking the left Keystone subnode dodge on crit is OP?

[spice cloud]

No

Psyker has it too basically

[dire badge]

Hivescum is well balanced considering one mistake in havoc will send you to the shadow realm

Also there are times when you are trying to clutch on low HP and a barrel will kill you. Not because it out positions you or makes you fall. Just the damage straight up kills you.

Now on hivescum j literally have to play looking out for barrels

[viscid sleet]

if you have a cooldown reduction stim and you use stim supply, will it reduce your stimms cooldown

[mighty belfry]

honestly playing this class is just cathartic sometimes

[light phoenix]

Now that some time has passed since Hive Scums release, I have an important question...

Which voice type is your favourite and why?

[mighty belfry]

Fem Bounty Hunter

Her VA kicks ass at making her sound cold and calculated.

[spice cloud]

Yeah female anarchist and bounty hunter.

And the glasgow male

[lime fable]

Just starting with the hive scum class — any recommendations on perks for the crowbar? It’s a really fun weapon I’d like to get the most out of it

[drifting heron]

Fem anarchist is objectively the best one but I run fem bounty hunter because I need fem loose cannon to have a wife

[zenith fern]

Male anarchist

[mighty belfry]

no

sample collector reduces stimm cooldown

[spice cloud]

No but your stimm supp cd

You have sample collector to reduce stimm cd

[limber cradle]

Male Bounty Hunter. Right bastard, arrogant. Knows they're the best. Reminds me of Boba Fett kinda, especially the original Jason Wingreen Boba.

[willow violet]

what perk would u put on shivs?

[sly hollow]

What keystone are you running?

[willow violet]

rampage+frenzy

[sly hollow]

Uncanny/Precog with chem dependency, riposte/uncanny with the others

[willow violet]

perk not bnlessings

[sly hollow]

Flak/Carapace

Flak is on everything, carapace so you nuke crushers a little bit faster

[willow violet]

unyielding worth instead of cara?

[sly hollow]

imo unyielding is overrated

[zenith fern]

Carapace and unyielding is good

[zenith fern]

twins, maulers head, scab rager torso and bulwark armored bits

[novel oracle]

plasma gunners head

[noble kayak]

Hello, planning to buy this class. But the reviews said it's bugged. Is it still the case? and if so, is the class worth buying?

[sly hollow]

I just leveled one and I didn;t notice anything class specific

[nova valley]

I think male Anarchist is the best. It's simply out of his mind, which fits perfectly with a deranged, chem-induced insanity chaser like the Hive Scum

[limber cradle]

Imo single most fun class in the game

[mighty belfry]

Still some weird antisynergies but otherwise

Kind of contesting my pick for favorite class.

[nova valley]

A few minor issues but nothing as exaggerated as you read in some comments. It's super fun and although it's a glass cannon, if you learn how to use it, it's a very strong DPS or a bizarre support, imho

[mighty belfry]

It can be a glass cannon.

Doesn't have to be with rampage.

[noble kayak]

how strong is the class for a DPS?

[mighty belfry]

Very.

[dim moth]

this clsses damage floor is like

the peak optimized damage of the other classes

[mighty belfry]

Hive Scum actually gives Psyker a run for their money in output.

[sly hollow]

Heads up that leveling hive scum is painful, easily the worst out of the 4/6 I've done

[dim moth]

def far from the worst

[mighty belfry]

It's a little better now to be honest

[dim moth]

scum is like 2nd or 3rd easiest imo

easiest is arbites, then it's either oggy/scum

[mighty belfry]

tbf the talents were jank when the class first came out

[dim moth]

and that's my opinion from leveling them before their talents got moved around xd

[mighty belfry]

it was actually weirdly hard trying to at least start off.

[jaunty sail]

levelling isnt hard

its boring

no matter the class

[noble kayak]

Hmmm, I already lvl 30 veteran, zealot, and Psyker. Psyker was kinda boring to level up because of the warp thingy.

I'll buy it sure, Thanks for your opinion

As long as the end outcome is killing heretics fast is good enough for me

[jaunty sail]

vraks hivescum

never dissapointed

infinite dakka

[ocean hollow]

That is not my experience at all

I think some people just don't build well for low levels is all

Psyker was easily the worst by an insane margin

And then Vet

[near mauve]

they did reshuffle the tree a bit to make early scum better

it was kinda painful on release

[ocean hollow]

O ic

[near mauve]

i just leveled the mac 10s to max to make leveling easy

[sly hollow]

I'm leveling psyker right now, so far lvl 20 and I've been clearing damnation fine

[ocean hollow]

Well right now, it's actually really good. The biggest problem is carapace feels a bit hard to kill (but there's hardly any cara anyway so)

And ranged damage feels a bit aids if it does hit you

[near mauve]

desprado is so busted

[sly hollow]

FGS is hard carrying me though

[ocean hollow]

I am using the default white weapons tho cos I'm out of dockets

And for some reason they're better than the stuff I can find in the shop?

[near mauve]

yeah shop drops are ass until u hit 30

[ocean hollow]

But like why are they SO bad

They're literally worse than default

[near mauve]

cause u must suffer

i farmed some money before the class came out

got maxxed out shivs and mac 10 before doing anything

otherwise i would hate myself

[ocean hollow]

I do

It's me, I hate myself

Me on rolling steel being the last one alive smacking the captain with my wooden shivs

(we didn't succeed)

[willow violet]

is there any visual indicator that ur stim is ready?

[heavy patio]

does the penance that requires you to score crits while "under the effects of anarchist" just mean you need to have the trait on or do you need to do something specific to become "under the effects"?

[willow violet]

its allways having the buff on u so yes use it

[heavy patio]

do you use mods?

if so theres a mod that makes the stimm indicator better

[near vapor]

mod it up on PC

[zenith fern]

yes

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/653

Oh wait, you mean vanilla game

[livid raven]

there is also in vanilla

in theory

[zenith fern]

Theres one in fact but it is very hard to spot

They should have made it more clear

[livid raven]

really atrocious UI design

[willow violet]

and what would u put on needle gun? pointblank and runngun?

[zenith fern]

Stripped Down, run and gun

[willow violet]

and what pekrs

[zenith fern]

stripped down is just free immunity to any ranged attacks which is very funny

[willow violet]

perks flak/maniac/cara?

[livid raven]

they don't really matter much, but cara and unyelding

[zenith fern]

The projectile wont do and wont matter to what hits

[lapis raft]

i use unyielding and reload speed on needler

[willow violet]

dayum that sounds op

is needle really that strong?

[lapis raft]

yes

[livid raven]

the dot does scale off the perk

if the weapon is active at least

[willow violet]

and hyper violence says diff in hp%

so that means on havoc 40 if i kill a crusher i get 2k bonus dmg for the next hit?

[livid raven]

no

[zenith fern]

really strong and it comes from its chem stacks

[livid raven]

you aren't reading it right

[lapis raft]

its just overkill damage

added to your next attack

[willow violet]

ye sounded too good to be true

[lapis raft]

well any overkill added to next melee attacks for 1s

[willow violet]

generally what weps on hivecscum seems to be strong or a quick tldr on his weps,

[livid raven]

depends on the build, between melee and ranged builds

[zenith fern]

shivs, knive, chainaxe are the ones that comes to my mind

[willow violet]

chainaxe??????

dayum

[lapis raft]

chainaxe is very good on scum yea

[livid raven]

i don't think chainaxe is a standout

[zenith fern]

chainaxe is fun on scum

[lapis raft]

but technically its just worse rashad

more fun rashad tho

[willow violet]

what do ppl use on h40?

[verbal dew]

I want to like combat axes

but they are so fucking boring

[willow violet]

idk chopping off heads never gets boring

[zenith fern]

too much clicks smh

[verbal dew]

they're just slow enough to not be satisfying

[willow violet]

and crowbar/bonesaw?

[verbal dew]

and heavies put me to sleep

[zenith fern]

crowbar is okay

[lapis raft]

stimm supply and needler is generally pretty op in havoc as it allows you to just ignore bunch of mods

crowbar is just worse chainaxe

saw is decent

[livid raven]

crowbar is a shit weapon that scum makes look decent

[sly hollow]

^

[livid raven]

i would just go with shivs or knife

[zenith fern]

taxe goes zoomies

[willow violet]

this shiv throwable is a big powercreep

[livid raven]

imo knife is fantastic as an anticrusher weapon on desperado/ranged builds

shivs are fantastic in a rampage build

[zenith fern]

knive is good for any scum build

[livid raven]

yeah but i feel they don't quite fit rampage as well as shivs

[lapis raft]

yea i dont like knife with rampage

rly good with stimm supply

[zenith fern]

Knife rampage just goes bonkers ironic enough

But I been enjoying latel with stimm deploy

[lapis raft]

gonna try this with bonesaw and 15s stimm and ignore crit completely, tried it with chaxe worked reasonably well (and chaxe can grab the elite adrenaline node) but saw will get more collectors

[livid raven]

i think you want the cleave node

bonesaw has turboass cleave

[unreal stirrup]

"shock and awe exist tho"

-nefarious toxins dot:

[livid raven]

it's really counterintuitive isn't it

[lapis raft]

i have doulbe cleave blessing

thats why i skipped it

wrath and shock & ae

[livid raven]

makes sense

[unreal stirrup]

overkill work mid swing

it doesn't just apply to the next attack but current attack as well

[livid raven]

it applies to any melee damage in the next 1s doesn't it

[unreal stirrup]

yes

[lapis raft]

yea i know, just badly worded it, wanted to highlight the any damage part proccing it

as i still think it could technically be a build

[willow violet]

holy fuck this needlegun

and why do the shivs need an added zeaot blitz on top of hte already strong wep ...

[zenith fern]

Just drop a single needle to near all specials and gunners

And watch them drop

[unreal stirrup]

scum have like 2 good exclusive weapon lol

[dim moth]

yeah the bonesaw and needle pistol

[zenith fern]

Soon to be obliterated by the balance gods

[willow violet]

what does needle spceial do?

[lapis raft]

switches to aoe mode

see pins

[willow violet]

so both crowbar and bonesaw are meh? thats a sadge

[livid raven]

if you count guns they have 3 good exclusive weapons

[willow violet]

man this needle gun feels unreal

what in the duck

[spice cloud]

Bonesaw is really good on chem dependency and crate builds imo

It does have a decent combo for hordeclear.

And for cara u take needle pistol.

[willow violet]

does hyper violence worth it ?

and can u combo flesh tearer shivs with coated weaponry or that doesnt worth it?

[unreal stirrup]

dual autopistol moment

[unreal stirrup]

you can but uncanny riposte will be better than uncanny flesh tearer

[livid raven]

it's true, they are part of the desperado holy trinity

[unreal stirrup]

notably because shiv have weaker uncanny so bleed isn't good on armored

[willow violet]

and the chem stacks doesnt make up for that?

[livid raven]

you could just not make up for anything

[willow violet]

im a sucker for dot builds

these cleave talents are funny af with shivs tho probably not needed

[lapis raft]

even on knife flesh tearer kinda just sucks on scum

[dim moth]

yeah it's really funny

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a08d5fc2-56f8-401b-99a0-ee054340b580/100-crit-chance-poop-knife

it's not like better than using the shivs normally

but it is fun

one crit will guaranteed kill anything you touch up to shotgunners

and you swing so fast

[vast yoke]

depending on the weapon yeah, honestly it's worth it on almost any build, usually only skipping it on desperado builds to save points

on shivs you'll get a bit extra damage which can help clear hordes and randomly get a big damage boost when popping elites that can lead to 1 shots you wouldn't have otherwise, it's practically mandatory for tacaxe/combat axe and massively boosts mk3 knife hclear. there's also other interactions like opening up horde-clear with H1 on bonesaw to maintain a massive damage boost

[vast yoke]

I've ran a more sensible version of this build (basically dropping a few points off of box explosion, not running cheap shots or pocket nades to path towards 20% DR and pickpocket) a lot in Havoc, honestly I do think it's the best crate focused build in the game considering how absurd the crate CD is on it but I'm a bit biased since I find box shivs so fun

unfortunately it goes from great to useless with rotten armor which plagues half of Havoc missions rn lmao

[lapis raft]

i mean if you have needler and shivs there is no way you are struggling against rotten armour

[vast yoke]

they don't exactly kill in an instant

and boxes aren't even that efficient on cara

at least compared to other options like a psword vet or just running a rashad rampage build

[lapis raft]

i mean it doesnt need to kill in instant but you can just wipe crusher packs with needler alone

[vast yoke]

from my experience by the time they die from DOT you'll have another pack on the hands 😭

but you're not wrong

slotting in pickpocket is basically necessary atp though

[lapis raft]

it is yes

i run this with knife/needler in havoc atm

wait wrong screenshot

this for the bottom

[vast yoke]

yeah literally identical to my build

i am wondering if an adrenaline hyperviolent cknife / corkscrew crate build might work well on rotten armor

could slot in extended mags over hypercrit for triple barrel shenanigans maybe

[lapis raft]

you already one shot most elites with mk6 heavy and hypercrit so i dont rly value adrenaline there at all

[vast yoke]

tru

[lapis raft]

and chem dep is -9s cd on crate

for crate rotation

[vast yoke]

oughhhh yeah

[vast yoke]

annoying since I'd love to slot double barrel on there somehow, with scums infinite ammo you can clear absurdly with it without needing desperado or vultures

could always run tacaxe ig but outside of rampage it's not the fastest crusher ttk

lowk scared for when the attack speed per stamina node gets fixed for tacaxe since it's nice being able to save a point not running it

then again it'd become actually absurd with 20% extra attack speed

[spice cloud]

I honestly never take pickpocket on my non desperado builds.

Just seems useless to me and too much point tax.

[dim moth]

yeah it builds bad habts

you should be meleeing things most of the time always

unless you're like psyker, veteran, or gun scum

[spice cloud]

Yeah

[dim moth]

and can just shoot everythin without worrying about ammo

[spice cloud]

I mean u get a lot of ammo on the needler anyway

Its not like its prone to run out without pickpocket i didnt have any problems.

[pallid quail]

so whats in the toxin anyways ? bleach ?

[spice cloud]

Chemicals.

Fentanyl

Idk

[zenith pagoda]

Fent would actually be a good answer

You only need a tiny amount to OD

[pallid quail]

pretty sure nurgle has fent resistance

[spice cloud]

Well apparently not

Or the needler wouldnt work

[pallid quail]

https://tenor.com/view/breakingbad-science-yeah-science-gif-7683824405507212596

[spice cloud]

Nurgles only weakness are the fentanyl ridden streets of detroit.

[zenith pagoda]

The grandfather fears oblock

I'm gonna try cowboy revolver spam

Revolver should have manstopper too

[vast yoke]

you can become a better veteran than 3/4 of veteran builds while having the melee prowess of a zealot (or better) for the cost of 1 point (very rarely 2), I honestly find it very worthwhile

yes you can get by without it

but with it you can spam, you can completely thoughtlessly mag dump, you're actually losing a lot more than ammo economy

it's the opportunity cost imo

[vast yoke]

it's honestly alright on melee builds, the damage just kinda feels like it underdelivers tho since you're rarely able to body more than 1 mauler per mag, two if you roll good crits

I haven't tried it on despo yet but maybe it's good on a despo dependency CDR spam build since it does love crits

or you could power stim rending max 🤔

reload speed stim? lmao

imma try reload stim with it, honestly that might make it pretty stinky

[willow violet]

toxic renewal has internal cd?

or its perma 15% toughness on all chem kill?

[vast yoke]

it seems that way but I've not seen any thorough testing, tbf when it's good it feels broken but usually when you really want toughness back (0 enemies nearby and fifteen gunners mag dumping you) it doesn't help

[willow violet]

and hte +5 stim duration?

[vast yoke]

questionable. it means your stim takes 5 seconds longer until it goes on cooldown, no real use on crate builds and usually you kill what you need to kill in the default 15s

[willow violet]

im running ramp atm not box

[vast yoke]

for 1 point you can usually do better is what I'm saying

[willow violet]

it feels like u can endlessly prolong frenzy and rampage

[vast yoke]

yeah in the right circumstances

but even on melee builds the stim duration is kinda eh, it's usually worth it to run something else for that point, even just grabbing 25% ranged damage over it on melee builds does more on average

try it out for a few games and if you like it take it :P

[lapis raft]

the +5 duration is waste of point on every build pretty sure

[vast yoke]

it just has poor uptime yeah

realistically it means you get your stim back 5 seconds later, its unlikely the last 5 seconds of stim time would've clutched out an encouter over getting it back more often

gonna build this guy, should i flip his shield/mace hand so it looks like hes holding his shield forwards

[livid raven]

maybe if it also reduced cooldown by 5 seconds

[vast yoke]

genuinely would take it on most crate builds if it did XD

would be a great change

imo

combine it with blessed stims like how they combined that one veteran grenade talent

then it'd be really juicy but i'd see myself not taking it 3/4 of the time rather than 100% of the time

[lapis raft]

its just one of those nodes that just have anti synergy with stuff for absolutely no reason, not very uncommon thing to see on scum tree :d

[vast yoke]

yeahhh

honestly hypercritical and hyperviolence purposefully being like that (and hard to avoid taking both in a lot of builds) is so weird

you'd think it'd be a mid-tree keystone like arbi

choose hyperv hyperc / skip for point save

like with lone wolf / dog keystones

but no hyperc just awkwardly blocks vultures and pickpocket

and hyperv is neatly tucked into a corner

[vast yoke]

what are we thinking

more like what are you doing to do no dps XD

drop your weps + talent tree

[drowsy relic]

I'd you turn the head sure I'm not sure how much of a pain the shield connection was off the top of my head though

[vast yoke]

yeah i just didnt bother photoshopping his head

i'd make him look the opposite way, over his shield

[vast yoke]

shield is seperate part from arm, i'd just need to hobby saw their wrists and swap

i might even replace his power maul with a power sword but i think the maul looks cool

[drowsy relic]

The maul is cool ueah

[vast yoke]

tbh imma give him a fully enclosed helm because he looks silly with a Named Character face

[drowsy relic]

There is a sword in the box if you didn't build the watchmaster tbf

[vast yoke]

theres actually enough parts in my box to build 2 watchmasters and 2 blademasters lmao

so i have a lot of spares

and 2 headhunters

[drowsy relic]

I helmeted everyone but the aegis and watchmaster

[vast yoke]

im going 50/50 for helmets

[drowsy relic]

But picked the significantly cooler head

[vast yoke]

that is pretty sick

i gave him the gordon freeman cut

lemme take a pic

[vast yoke]

i put bases on my guys last cus i like to shape them with a hobby knife a bit, gonna make their bases look like some neceon machinery

[drowsy relic]

Very nice

Now I just need to find time to paint them

[vast yoke]

im employing my normie friends for a few beers to help me primer and basecoat

XD

[livid raven]

damn, mostly ranged enemies on the aurics rotation is comedic as despacito hivescum

[vast yoke]

peep the pose i gave my disruptor, rlly proud of that reversed knife

didn't like how the default disruptor looked like he was waiting in line to take a dump lowk

[drowsy relic]

I like that thats cool

[vast yoke]

imma try to make my sniper crouch whenever I get around to making him cus that pose is mega boring too

[drowsy relic]

The Marksman?

[vast yoke]

yeahh the pose is too similar to the gunners imo

i was also thinking of swapping the thunderhammer guys torso with the snipers for some variety

[drowsy relic]

I gave just built the gunner gave him a plasma gun and a lamenter shoulder pad and said "go get em:

[vast yoke]

haha i actually put the lamenters pad on my blademaster, the idea of my frontline being a lamenter was too good to pass up

painting that pad will be such a pain tho

[zenith pagoda]

Revolver spam doesn't work unfortunately

Tried it in auric and not enough DMG and cleave

[livid raven]

cowboy revolver has been left in the dust imo

[willow violet]

its fun in mortis

[zenith pagoda]

I was looking for an alternative to VIAG for carapace

Seems the only thing is needle pistol

[livid raven]

you just have to accept you can't deal with carapace with your gun as hivescum

somewhat

desperado VIAG can actually do some damage to a crusher with several headshots

[zenith pagoda]

The node doesn't give enough rending imo

[livid raven]

it's just about enough to finish off a crusher without having to switch to melee

wouldn't use it on crushers otherwise

[zenith pagoda]

We need bolter

Give it speed reload and hold it down

[livid raven]

mini-boom bringer with 4 mini rockets on a clip

also damn

bolter desperado pickpocket would be so funny

[zenith pagoda]

Can animation cancel with stun nade too

[livid raven]

i would just use it 100% of the match

[lapis raft]

would you even bother with desperado on bolter, i think you would just abuse pickpocket and thats it :d

[livid raven]

i mean if you take the aoe mark

well, maybe you'd just go crate

[willow violet]

the stim cd starts after it effect ends right?

[unreal stirrup]

yes

except for stim supply

which start immediately

[rough peak]

Yes, but, only the new mark

[rough peak]

a free reload after mag dumping, at the very least

I feel like being able to shoot up to 36 bolter rounds in a row would go hard

I say 36 cause the +15% mag capacity talent gives 3 rounds on the boltgun(I know this cause of arby shenanigans)

idk how many it gives on the new mark, tho

[unreal stirrup]

14

[rough peak]

Ah, so only 2

up to 28 aoe shots in a row doesn't sound bad, tho

[spice cloud]

Fuck no

Imo only the vet and maybe zealot should have spearhead boltgun anyway

[livid raven]

it would be very funny tho

[spice cloud]

Would be broken af

Infinite ammo spearhead what can go wrong

[sinful matrix]

I don't know that it'd be broken.

[spice cloud]

It would be absolutely broken with pickpocket AND desperado

[sinful matrix]

Having infinite ammo would be goofy, but the weapon is unwieldy enough to make desperado not great

[spice cloud]

Like not even funny

You also get good reload speed nodes like vet

[sinful matrix]

Vet has to use every reload talent to get more than one magazine for Exe Stance

[spice cloud]

It would be broken af

No

[sinful matrix]

And we get nowhere near the same buffs

[spice cloud]

1 talent is enough

We pretty much do

[sinful matrix]

Yeah, 1 talent is enough if you can kill something in .500ms after your reload

[spice cloud]

Allready get reload speed on close range kill

[spice cloud]

Wrong

[sinful matrix]

Better to get more buffs and have a much bigger safety net

[spice cloud]

U can get reload speed eother from leaving a round in the mag or after u kill a special.

One of those is more then enough

Scum has pretty much the same talent

And extra ranged dodges and ranged immunity etc etc

You prolly wont even need the reload speed let alone desperado.

Oh and desperado would also instantly reload the bolter contrary to exec stance.

[low harbor]

No? Just 1 is enough

And stance takes 8s duration most of the time now

[rough peak]

scum's is a bit less kill dependant since it's just close ranged kills, instead of an elite/special kill

It's distance dependant rather than type of enemy killed

Also: Yay, my rashad finally has 80% first target!

[exotic temple]

Yeah that’s the one i use. I guess different strokes for different folks. I know when I started I felt like a dollar general vet after getting it mastered I felt better with it.

[rough peak]

It felt like ass having this at 51% and not being able to 1 shot heresy scab bruisers with no buffs up... with a 25% unarmored perk x.x

[exotic temple]

I like cleaver but it’s not for everyone.

[main trellis]

The new boltgun mark that is oof would be very op

[rough peak]

sees 50 ragers...
pulls out new boltgun mark
murders 50 ragers

[vast yoke]

try out decimator + headtaker with rampage and cleave talent, its actually capable of cleaving while having absurd damage from decimator stacks (altho at high havoc you'll want BM still)

[rough peak]

I mean yeah... even with 50% cleave targets the rashad would still get pretty good cleave with that setup >.>

[vast yoke]

ya just try it out and see if you like it. i found it incredibly fun since hyperv ends up being ridiculous at max stacks decimator + headtaker

honestly until rlly high havoc where enemy mass becomes absurd i think it might even cleave more in some cases compared to BM, which is absurd since that piece of shit is like cleave 3

[exotic temple]

Maniac cara superiority and can opener

[vast yoke]

^

some ppl like to run bash for hyperc too in case you don't fw canop

[exotic temple]

I have to try that still

[vast yoke]

its ok

i wish the duration was longer cus the PA on crowbar isnt amazing damage-wise

just some ppl dont use alt mode enough to justify canop imo, often on rampage builds it barely reduces crusher TTK for example

[exotic temple]

That’s wild I thought even in rampage the alt mode was busted

[exotic temple]

It seems underwhelming but I could see it being a melee weapon for desp build.

[main trellis]

Anything really; don’t forget he gets 15% rending on despy + str & rending on stimm with att spd & reload…
Would be soo broken it would overshadow needle pickpocket abuse

[rough peak]

sweet, I got this done in 2 runs lol, now I don't ever need to use beacon of purity outside of havoc ever again

oh wait, this is hive scum chat not zealot

[main trellis]

I would not say so; it does not replace the role of beacon

For many reasons

[rough peak]

I mean for grim missions I could have it, but, outside of that I'll just take benediction myself

At least the hive scum's crate thing can do other stuff besides just remove corruption

[pulsar aspen]

🥓

[astral canyon]

Mine

I call dibs

https://tenor.com/view/eating-eat-eating-food-monster-h-reginald-gif-2362901127389079325

[main trellis]

And thats one of many reasons that using it for clesnsing primarily is not replacing beacon

[sage swallow]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a07c16c1-4370-4657-9f6b-33e714ca67c5/reginalds-melee-build
Hi, any idea where to spend last point smart way in this build?

[nova valley]

I'd take the crit point on the left, then take away Jittery and Regain Posture in favour of Swift Endurance and Hyper-Critical

You have enough dodges n stamina even without those 2 perks. And with the 3 points spent in crit, SW and H-C, you will crit more and need less swings to kill big medium stuff

IMO, of course.

[rough peak]

It's like a side-grade to beacon. It has some of the stuff beacon does, but, it isn't primarily meant to be beacon

(I almost said bacon instead of beacon)

https://tenor.com/view/bacon-sizzling-yummy-food-gif-17768489

[main trellis]

we call it bacon/wet wipes (cause it cleanses that lime juice corruption)

[rough peak]

3 arbiters and a hive scum walk into an elevator...

[exotic temple]

Hc and hv don’t have good synergy. I’d just grab the crit and swift endurance.

[ripe fjord]

Hive scum isn't a class, its a lifestyle

[ripe fjord]

Damn, I know its the first week of the month, first week of the year even

But they're trying REAL hard to get started on their quota early

[final temple]

Regained Posture and Slippery customer are irrelevant for this build. Scavenger is pointless, float like a butterfly is a waste on the bonesaw. Consider this instead

[sage swallow]

thank you i will try it out

[sage swallow]

can you send stimm lab build for this as well?

[final temple]

stimmlab is highly flexible, but for rampage you are never wrong going full upper right arm into crit

depending on the difficulty you play on you can then also add CDR, because you will have enough targets for sample collector to shave off enough time to not be detrimental for you chem dependency stack maintenance

which in turn increases rampage uptime.

[lime fable]

Thank you! I’ll give it a try after work

[rough peak]

does hyper violence do much for the bonesaw?

[final temple]

with the right blessings you can build up some momentum. not comparable to shivs or axes, but it's there.

I wouldnt run bonesaw as rampage either, but friendo asked about a build including it.

[rough peak]

Just was curious, ty for the info

[final temple]

I know the 'bonesaw is a dot weapon' meme but it's not like the weapon hits like a wet noodle. it's workable.

[rough peak]

There's a meme for that?

[final temple]

oh yeah xD

[rough peak]

Somehow that doesn't surprise me ig

[eager reef]

I know it kills stuff but it doesnt feel like it kills stuff

[noble kayak]

What's cartel special?

[astral canyon]

Custom stimm

[noble kayak]

ohh the stimm lab thing?

[exotic temple]

Rampage bonesaw without the toxin node effects feels like a missed opportunity.

Because that’s probably the only time you would run those

[spice cloud]

Yes

[final temple]

I run them on a bonesaw supply build but rampage and toxin nodes just dont add anything over the standard melee stuff

your focus is still rampage, the bonesaw is just flavor

[spice cloud]

I run bonesaw with chem dependency and them you can still pick all melee and some toxin nodes.

No pickpocket and left side tho

[final temple]

toxin mania by itself is pretty cheeks unless you get to spread toxin. and targeted toxin or toxin renewal are good in turn, but you dont need them on rampage, especially with chem dep, because you get enough TDR and TR so that these points are better spent in killing power than defense

[lapis raft]

i was trying this with bonesaw earlier where bonesaw is basically just there for sample collector

[spice cloud]

I tun it eith crate

I prefer crate with bonesaw tbh

[final temple]

yeah, with crate I run bonesaw too and invest in exactly these nodes

[lapis raft]

if i wanted to focus on the actual hit damage i see no reason to run bonesaw over chainaxe rly

[final temple]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0913388-5db1-4634-968a-a6d169e06f1e/a-huff-a-day-keeps-the-heretic-at-bay

[spice cloud]

Yeah the stimm really gives the bonesaw that extra oompf it needs.

Imo

But ull want the needler for crushers and bosses.

Its heavy attack is too slow to deal with them.

Its just a great hordekiller with shock and awe.

[lapis raft]

yea i just light spammed, heavy on saw just sucks ass

[spice cloud]

I do push attack then two heavys.

Those are cleaving then

Thats what u wanna do imo for horde clear.

[final temple]

PA light heavy, PA heavy heavy or Light heavy all work for horde

[bronze glade]

LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

all you need

[rough peak]

The rashad way, I see

[bronze glade]

yeah though in this case it's because the heavies are stupidly slow

for whatever reason

[rough peak]

Don't you know? All you need is the low low amount of +500% attack speed to make them feel somewhat okayish

[final temple]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-ackchyually-actually-gif-11156171

you only need swift endurance for it to feel workable

[lilac ermine]

I was watching ppl use tac axe and it looked like macro is that cheatings

They were like canceling attacks perfectly and doing same combo

[final temple]

if you dont want to invite CTS you kinda want either some macro or mod to help deal with the cadence

[bronze glade]

i think most people play without macros lol

[final temple]

I swear, discord on ipadOS is cancer…

[lilac ermine]

The macro mod has 3rd most downloads this year

[bronze glade]

most people prob don't even use mods

[grave venture]

Lamzu Maya X chat, actually amazing mouse

[final temple]

I prefer the paro. nearly as light, same functionality but the shell is full cover

[grave venture]

Also a super nice choice, Im lucky enough to not have much dust to the point I expect it to work its way though the crevices under the mbs

I just use the dust cover sticker for the bottom since it weighs practically nothing anyways

[final temple]

yeah.

[grave venture]

Lamzu mice in general are pretty nice I'd presume, at least based on how nice the maya x has been

[final temple]

I have both and they were of stellar quality. plus good replacement parts offers

[grave venture]

For sure, wish I found them sooner honestly

[spark gyro]

Depending on the complexity, yep

It's the kind of thing that keeps Keep Swinging up: it just automates a process that is extremely simple, but strains the user when done manually

At some point I automated a quell cancel LMB for psyker and it was a very tight timing to do perfectly, something which a normal person wouldn't remotely be able to keep consistent during an entire match, let alone several

[lilac ermine]

Keep swinging is like fine but some ppl have macros that normal humans cant do that fast or consistently

[spark gyro]

Yeah, those are a no-no

I recently also saw that there is a mod to remove the smoke from vet's grenade and it's been up since April

[wild anchor]

Have you guys not seen minecraft pvpers? Lol

[jolly parrot]

does this imply the existence of not normal humans?

[lilac ermine]

Yea streamers can do

[livid raven]

no

[wild anchor]

There's also osu players

[livid raven]

if people can't imitate macro behaviour they should get good methinks

[lilac ermine]

I saw someone who played ogryn says they have macro that like cancels attack mid swing so they can attack double faster

[lilac ermine]

For every attack they just have double attack speed

[livid raven]

yeah as ogryn with shield i just bind m1 to heavy attack >block cancel loop

[spark gyro]

Block cancel macros are also a no-no

They're an action that requires timing, and automating that timing kind of kills the whole difficulty of doing the combo

[livid raven]

what a tragedy

[spark gyro]

It's kind of like automating a headshot, where there is a component of player skill being bypassed by automation

[livid raven]

we really comparing a block cancel to aimbot

[zealous ravine]

thats just a big human meaning they're big normal

[spark gyro]

There are certain people who would argue the subjectivity of what constitutes as a cheat, specially since these things staying up gives support to the "it's not actually a cheat" side

[lilac ermine]

Ik they wont be banned for it

But it kind of look like cheating

[wild anchor]

Not that big a deal imo unless you genuinely think it'll affect your game

[exotic temple]

Block cancel is annoying aiming is part of the game

[spark gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-quickster-wanna-see-me-do-it-again-want-to-see-me-do-it-again-s3e12-gif-16641790733882486007

[lilac ermine]

The only time it affected the game alot for me is when psykers did it before and killed everything with secondary fire

[wild anchor]

Doing it a second time won't make the analogy any better

[wild anchor]

Psykers do that any way lol

[lilac ermine]

I think they nerfed that a little

[zealous ravine]

psyker would never get any nerfs

[lilac ermine]

It was unlimited range machine gun with unlimited ammo

[spark gyro]

So you'd like to tell me that automating perfect timing that cannot be reproduced by a human is not cheating?

[exotic temple]

Really shield block cancel is just an issue with the design of the weapon combos

[wild anchor]

No it is cheating, but it's about as bad as the healthbar thing

[exotic temple]

I block cancel all the time it’s annoying but I’m too lazy to automate it

[wild anchor]

Knowing when an enemy will die is huge

[spark gyro]

Okay, so we're at the part where we agree on it, but there's still something to be pedantic about

Well, that's where I stop

[wild anchor]

In the end it doesn't matter what you think

And it's just a pve game, it isn't competitive

[spark gyro]

True, it's up-

[livid raven]

it's not cheating

cheating is against tos and you would be banned for it

[wild anchor]

That's not what would make it not cheating

[spark gyro]

Brother, you just criticized my analogy, only to drop this stink

[livid raven]

it quite literally is

[spark gyro]

Fucking lmao.

[zenith fern]

[livid raven]

cheating is using an unauthorized software to gain advantage

[eager reef]

Eh? Healthbars are cheating?

[zealous ravine]

this has gotta be the most annoying point

[livid raven]

mods are authorized so we are ok

[eager reef]

Bro what

[zenith fern]

Hang on is cancel animations now considered cheating here? lol

[spark gyro]

There is an asterik on that "authorized", since Fatshark has slapped the vacuum capsule mod

[eager reef]

The fabled QQ debate is back lmao

[livid raven]

there is no asterisk

if the mod is still up, it's authorized

[zealous ravine]

wasnt this about macros

[livid raven]

a mod is authorized until it isn't

[wild anchor]

There is a point of balance that is important for pve and I would be more strict if it were competitive.

[eager reef]

That one was impacting other players

[livid raven]

is that the naked mod

[spark gyro]

Automating complex inputs also impacts other players

[wild anchor]

I don't use macros myself cause I like to challenge myself but someone else using macros won't affect my game in any meaningful way

[eager reef]

If it means my randoms are less shit have at it.

[spark gyro]

Man, the takes some people have

[eager reef]

I mean this seriously the only mod ive ever been annoyed with was vacuum capsule bc people spammed it all match

[livid raven]

what's that again

[wild anchor]

And yeah I disagree about the authorized thing too, cheating is subjective to how it impacts the game.

[eager reef]

Just a voice line

[livid raven]

i know they banned the mod that made you naked

[zenith fern]

spam vaccum capsule voiceline

[eager reef]

Then made a class with 3 shirts

[livid raven]

i can't say i'm familiar with that voiceline

[zenith fern]

like the chronic rod or whatever is called

[zenith fern]

only plays when mission objective requires you to carry one

[spark gyro]

Fatshark generally bans mods that objectively change the experiences of other users, and the vacuum capsule mod was banned pretty much because you could make others hear the voicelines you played

It's also why For The Drip and that weapon customization mod are entirely clientside

[livid raven]

oh it's just them going "Vaccum capsule"

[lilac ermine]

wouldnt it be cheating but not bannable

[eager reef]

Yep, people got it banned by being obnoxious

[zenith fern]

There was another mod that lets you play any reject personality voice no matter what class you play as

[livid raven]

if it's not bannable it's not cheating

[spark gyro]

I think Fatshark just wants to avoid having a meltdown from these people by not banning these mods

[eager reef]

This one getting banned made sense

[livid raven]

if the devs are ok with it, it's part of the game

[wild anchor]

In ds3 you can spawn any weapon and kill all enemies without getting banned via cheat engine

It can be cheating irregardless of what is bannable

[livid raven]

no

[spark gyro]

Hell, in DS3 the recommendation for PvP characters is to use Cheat Engine

[wild anchor]

Cool

I do myself

[spark gyro]

People just toss in stats, spawn gear and go directly to the main PvP area

[livid raven]

cheat engine is an unauthorized tool to gain an advantage

[lilac ermine]

The block cancel for double attack speed does change experience for other players so it should be not allowed

[livid raven]

you would be banned here too if you used cheat engine (and were found out)

[zenith fern]

I had a player last year that was playing psyker savant and I kept hearing the Bully voicelines coming from his name text

[zealous ravine]

krall fricked up on that one...

[wild anchor]

You're completely missing the point bud

[livid raven]

you are missing the point, i don't understand what's so hard about the definition of cheating

it's not subjective

[wild anchor]

It's subjective to the game itself.

[spark gyro]

That's pretty much the idea, yeah. Even if the game is PvE, people still would need to play within the game's "required skill", or whatever I could call it

[icy scaffold]

Are we arguing about whether mods could be considered cheating?

[wild anchor]

Macros

[livid raven]

yes, the old discussion the elitist always bring out

[icy scaffold]

Oh macros? Yea, those can be pretty cheaty

[livid raven]

how can they be cheaty if they are allowed

[spark gyro]

It's not enjoyable to play a specific weapon, manually do those funky combos that make your hands age twice as fast, and then having some guy just do them perfectly by holding down a button or something

[lilac ermine]

The definition of cheating isnt mean not bannable or not

[zealous ravine]

cause cheaty is just a feeling

[livid raven]

that's too bad for you buddy

nobody forces you to do them

[spark gyro]

Nobody forces people to use those macros either

[livid raven]

yes, which is why they choose to use them

[zealous ravine]

except carpal tunnel sometimes

[eager reef]

Funky combo, me mashing LLLLLLL

[livid raven]

it quite literally is

if it's allowed and you don't get banned, it's part of the game

[spark gyro]

Today I found out saying a voice line without the game's input is cheating

[wild anchor]

Listen man it's not like you'll be shunned by everyone if you admit it's cheating

[eager reef]

This debate is stupid ill come back later and see if the IQ has gone up then.

[wild anchor]

And people will shun you even if you say it isn't cheating

[spark gyro]

The IQ goes up as soon as you leave, so technically the prophecy is fulfilled

[icy scaffold]

[zealous ravine]

i think we should all do fent at applebees

[livid raven]

i think you should just admit you can't read the readme to install mods

[wild anchor]

Nice argument

[spark gyro]

Stimming behind Emprahbees

[wild anchor]

I'm pointing out you're being entirely stubborn

[zealous ravine]

huh readmes usually havent had the installation steps

[lilac ermine]

Cheating - When a player goes outside playing the game to alter, modify or change the experience of the game from the developer's original intent.

[livid raven]

i'm pointing out you are being wrong

[livid raven]

this is the developer's intent

[wild anchor]

Via an ad hominen

[livid raven]

you called me a cheater

so you did the ad hominem first buddy

[spark gyro]

ngl, main reason I use keep swinging is because I can't stand Fatshark making games that require so much basic button mashing and not giving the game a macro

[livid raven]

ah so you are a cheater

[spark gyro]

Yes?

[wild anchor]

If being called a cheater is offensive that's your problem not mine

[livid raven]

no

[lilac ermine]

Cheating is not always bannable because using cheat codes in single player games is not bannable so wouldnt you be wrong that all cheating is bannable

[livid raven]

now you are just being disingenous

[zealous ravine]

i'd say keep swinging is fine i just dont really like the uh crazy macros that do like goofy animation timing stuff

[wild anchor]

Oh yeah, the cheat codes in doom lol

Or all those old games

[spark gyro]

I use a macro to spam light attacks, I use a mod to give me information on how many charges ammo packs have, I remove tag skulls for better visibility, I have a number countdown for my stimms

[lilac ermine]

How am I being disingenous if you said that all cheating is bannable and the defnition of cheating is its bannable

[spark gyro]

I am, objectively, at an advantage compared to every console player

[icy scaffold]

I imagine Fatshark can’t be bothered to moderate macros, especially since they work as adhoc accessibility options

[zealous ravine]

well it was always kinda joever for console players and this game

[livid raven]

in the same way you using a mouse would be at an advantaged compared to every console player

[spark gyro]

The difference about these things is the question: why the fuck hasn't Fatshark implemented such basic mods into the game?

[zealous ravine]

yeah im guessing its too subjective to really bother with whats too much and not

[spark gyro]

We've been spamming light attacks manually since Vermintide

[zealous ravine]

oh we know

[spark gyro]

Fatshark knows that spam is bad on the finger

[rough peak]

Probably focusing on other stuff, they did add chat block to the base game of vt2

[zealous ravine]

it just takes time from bigger features they wanna add tthey said it in an interview lol

but people really like it so they have been doing it more lately

[spark gyro]

[icy scaffold]

Fatshark should stop being lazy and add those basic accessibility features to console

[zealous ravine]

i mean im fine with the current qol pacing

we've had ux talent tree and dodge counter added

[rough peak]

I find vt2 having chat block, but, darktide not funny

[spark gyro]

Every single time I see a Reddit post on spamming light attacks and see the user is playing on console, I feel a bit sad

[zealous ravine]

im pretty sure i've used chatblock for 99% of my darktide playtime

[rough peak]

It's just a nice quality of life mod, that they haven't put into the base game yet

[zealous ravine]

its literally in vt2 idk why its not in yet

[spark gyro]

Though yeah, I'm happy for whatever QoL they add to the game

[rough peak]

ikr?

[spark gyro]

I'm a sucker for the smaller stuff that makes the experience smoother

[rough peak]

Then again... if fatshark added chatblock into darktide there's no telling how many other things would get broken from it

[zealous ravine]

7

[rough peak]

You're lowballing it, it's at least 13 and a half

[zealous ravine]

😨

[rough peak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1334710158525202443/99vpAu6.gif

[zealous ravine]

actually chatblock mod doesnt raelly break anything

[spark gyro]

death sound

[zealous ravine]

it used to but they fixed that

[rough peak]

I died to a chaos spawn yesterday cause I slipped into a pit with no hangable ledge lol

as I killed it

[zealous ravine]

fell off

[spark gyro]

I remember the last time I tried to play without mods

[rough peak]

literally skissue, shoulda known where that pit was

[spark gyro]

Keep swinging was manageable, I could just use a weapon that didn't really need it

But man

Guarantee weapon swap and ability activation is

I don't live without it, man

Smashing my head on the keyboard to use an ability is no bueno

[rough peak]

I used to main bandit in ror1, so my wrists don't really get bothered by spam clicking... I do understand other people are not so lucky, tho

[zealous ravine]

i dont even need guarantee mods idk what causes the issues with that

[spark gyro]

Or when I'm using a ranged weapon, hear a burster, hit Q and try to push

And then just shoot the burster

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/460028401558880266/1457476741458170112/lol-cats.gif

[bronze glade]

Yeah need those mods

[rough peak]

I've actually been saved by not swapping, several times, on hive scum when I clicked the swap button/pull blitz out

[bronze glade]

And I still have switch issues sometimes

Even with the mods

[spark gyro]

I think I had one tomorrow, but admittedly I'm a bit mashy on the buttons because I'm kinda paranoid about input buffering

[rough peak]

I've also gotten into countless dicey situations from needing to have swapped as well, I just can't remember them since it doesn't happen consistently

[spark gyro]

I remember being miffed about the blue eviscerator when it launched, because the bloody thing needed some annoying light attack timing

Combat axes too

[rough peak]

I remember when the rashad was bad

[spark gyro]

Felt like I had to wait two years before clicking again

Oh yeah, the times when rashad had body priority

[rough peak]

Yeah, I remember weird timings in the past as well

[spark gyro]

Man, we've come a long way, haven't we

[rough peak]

And when Tiny Angry Crab was mastering it, despite this issue

I miss Crab

[spark gyro]

I bet Tiny played Chivalry

Chivalry players mastered looking at the sky to attack someone

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/779196945448304640/1364708570355990538/togif.gif

[rough peak]

[spark gyro]

I remember finding some weapon with a similar issue here and there, but it wasn't very productive to talk to people about it because the default answer is "skill issue"

I remember as well when I was trying to explain to people the bolter recoil issue that we even have a mod to fix now

And I kept having this one dude telling me how gun recoil worked

As I kept trying to explain that the gun was kicking before the shot was fired

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/779196945448304640/1364708570355990538/togif.gif

[rough peak]

I remember seeing an eviscerator zealot absolutely wrecking house with it when it was bad and only had the one mark... honestly it wouldn't have surprised me if that was meow, since she is the resident mk3 eviscerator god

[spark gyro]

I can see what these ripping weapons do, but honestly I can't seem to use any of them well

[rough peak]

My friend was both annoyed and immensely impressed by that zealot as well

They require a sort of feel

[spark gyro]

Yesterday I was trying to use the blue eviscerator and each time I went to do a heavy attack, it felt like ass

I think I really just might be a "click and hit" kind of person

Ripping might be a relic from when the game didn't have a quadriteragazillion elites at once

[rough peak]

It still works, I saw a zealot actually doing holy work against a daemonhost that I backed them up against with my rocket and needle gun

[spark gyro]

Doing a super cool sawing on a crusher at the start-ish of the game was impactful, but now we have another 27 on the screen to deal with

Oh yeah, it absolutely does some damage

[rough peak]

after my 1st rocket and their 1st saw damaged the thing it was below 1/3rd hp

It was only heresy, tho, iirc

[spark gyro]

This same build I was annoying myself with, I think I took like 3 specials on a chaos spawn

[north crow]

SO CLOSE

[spark gyro]

I can't say it doesn't do damage, and that horde clear was satisfying as hell, but... man, that weapon feels like complete ass to play with

[rough peak]

I have yet to get that feel for the chain weapons. The closest I got was when I was light spamming the chainsword on arby

[spark gyro]

mogged

[lilac ermine]

Melee hive scum shreds bosses even no needle or toxin

[spark gyro]

Melee hive scum is like

Jitter + stack damage + mog anything

[north crow]

have literally never used jitter

[rough peak]

I've been running needle + the combat axe/taxe/crowbar for so long I keep forgetting to get the 300 vultures mark penance done

[spark gyro]

Jitter shivs are so fucking hilarious

[lilac ermine]

With hyper violence they can chain kills on crushers to get like 2-3 shot kills

[spark gyro]

You just slide around like a bar of soap, completely unpunished

[north crow]

pretty pointless too

you get all your stam back in a single PA

[rough peak]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-in-soap-gif-3869177218427088334

[north crow]

I mean, dodge counts

[spark gyro]

Ah, but you missed a fundamental part about it

I mash it

[north crow]

I did not

[spark gyro]

All my homies hate dodge management

[north crow]

fundamental part is it being useless

[rough peak]

I read "I smashed it" and had to do a double take

[north crow]

it's fun tho!

[lilac ermine]

Is jitter help with total mashing tho

[north crow]

jitter is only not up when you really need it

guardbroken

[spark gyro]

For that you still have the default dodges

[rough peak]

It's really kinda crazy how even at 1% mobility these shivs have so much sprint speed :\

[spark gyro]

It's kind of like TWBS: it's not like the player can't play without it, but it sure as hell is easier to play with it

[lilac ermine]

With jitter maybe dodging is faster than sprinting

[spark gyro]

Also the uhhh the uhhh

Swift endurance

Attack speed per current stamina

Combos well with jittery

[wild anchor]

I'm loving the frenzy keystone

[rough peak]

Same, I love that one as well

[wild anchor]

When it pops you feel it, especially with it's extra doosh sound

[rough peak]

I only did chem dependancy on an uprising mission for the 2k seconds of it being at max stacks... I timed joining the mission so that no one else joined during it

I know I'm gonna have to try chem dependancy at some point, but, I just wanted the penances for it

[rancid coral]

I love me H40 free clutching

Jittery + Nimble is mega OP in Havoc xddd

Outrunning anything by just Dodge spamming

[spark gyro]

Speaking of

Do you guys take blitz toxin for chem nade?

I don't know the inner workings of it

[wild anchor]

It's really strong

Most enemies that step in it are gauranteed to die

[bronze glade]

Yeah if I can. It’s stupidly powerful

[spark gyro]

[wild anchor]

I need to test it on a bulwark, forgot to

[lilac ermine]

Running is bad always fight

[wild anchor]

Rage meter has ended wyd

[lilac ermine]

Tactical retreat

But the ways ppl run away from enemies is cheesy because they max out the enemy count and run because they know nothings spawning

[woeful hill]

Then it's speedrunning

[lilac ermine]

If enemies just continually spawned from every where then ppl will just die doing that

[woeful hill]

Repositioning and waiting for cooldown or playing for rescues are not the same

[lilac ermine]

Ppl do that for rescues too

Just bring whole enemy horde and then run back

[woeful hill]

Most people can't solo clutch

So they do the next best thing for them

Get someone else up

[pulsar aspen]

Or just give up and leave.

[woeful hill]

It's not like the spawn tickets disappear, bar boss deapawning depending on location, so they still need to fight all they left

[wild anchor]

What I really hate is when I'm fighting a horde and my team mates decide to move up to fight so I get pounced by a dog and die

[lilac ermine]

When I play killing floor those ppl who do that too are cheesy they just run around whole map shooting behind them bc they play fast classes

[woeful hill]

You can push dogs

Your welcome

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

[lilac ermine]

They cap tho so you can have most every enemy chasing you and only coming one direction

[wild anchor]

That's my go-to, sometimes doesn't go through