hivescum-class

[eager reef]

Leveling scum sucks tbh

Least they reworked it so it sucks less

[bronze glade]

no point feeding him a better build

he's just going to go take advice from tanner again

[leaden fable]

Yeah anyone at level 20 with less than 50 hours probably doesn't feel that strongly about the game or content creators

[bronze glade]

you can send him a good build now

and his next build will be a meme

[low harbor]

Exactly

[bronze glade]

because he's just watching tanner

after the entire server told him it's not a good source of information

the politics don't even matter. if he has that attitude isn't even willing to reconsider where he gets info from

helping him is a waste of time

[leaden fable]

Sometimes the best you can do is provide accurate information and hope they can suss which is better eventually

[low harbor]

(I’m actually close to finishing zealot in the guide now)

[leaden fable]

Niiiice I can't wait to check that out

[low harbor]

Every zealot weapon is alrdy in there

It’s just builds to be added now

[leaden fable]

Really appreciate how thorough you are in testing and describing game mechanics

[low harbor]

Will prob do 4

[upbeat gyro]

Desperado for now, but ill be switching once i get penance done to chemist

[low harbor]

Ok I’ll get u a build

[upbeat gyro]

And about Tanner's character, ive never heard about his controversies or whatever, so i find it funny you are doing some deep projections on my personality over things i have no clue even about, just tells honestly more about you and eagerness to project mentally on others

[eager reef]

Chems are pretty fun tbh

I enjoy playing around them

[low harbor]

try smth like this, tweak based on ur preference

shiv mk1 + vraks V inf auto

[bronze glade]

then why do you insist on following what is probably the worst source of DT information on YT? i'm eager to hear your perspective.

otherwise i'll just make assumptions

based on tanner's usual followers

[eager reef]

Idk man you're coming off as super hostile over this and it's kinda weird.

[bronze glade]

also dismissing disliking misogynism as "uptight" is super fucking bizarre ngl

[low harbor]

current 2 I've got
will do 1 shroudfield and 1 chorus to round it out

[eager reef]

But ive no skin in the game. I dont even know who tanner is. Nor do I care. After 1k hours ill figure it out my own builds and ask if I need help with something specific

[bronze glade]

well that's prob why you don't understand my reaction

setting aside the politics and shit

[eager reef]

Nor will anyone else

[bronze glade]

anyone who is even slightly aware of his situation will

maybe path isn't

but i'm pretty sick of people coming in here with super warped misconceptions of the game

after drinking the tanner koolaid

[low harbor]

I unfortunately know more abt him than I'd like to

[zenith fern]

Only trust in the tanner

[low harbor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[zenith fern]

Not on the people who write guides

with full information

[bronze glade]

i'm guessing orckas kept you in the loop

[low harbor]

I get a lot of stuff wrong too

[low harbor]

no, before orcka lol

[low harbor]

my dm with kuli is like 90% just him correcting mistakes I made

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[eager reef]

Tbh with how much shit is in this game that has weird interactions we should all be thankful kuli has the good tism to make a list.

No one sane puts that together.

[zenith fern]

thats what makes tanner the only good source of information
He never makes mistakes on his not scripted videos and makes a three videos follows up to fix that one mistake on the original video

[leaden fable]

Mfw neuroatypicals default to insane

[low harbor]

the other 10% is him explaining smth I don't understand

[upbeat gyro]

Okay thanks, will save it for reference

[bronze glade]

and how fucking fast he is

bro's a machine

[low harbor]

also sent a chemist build earlier (see above), u could run it after

[upbeat gyro]

Im not following, i just checked out suggested talent tree and asked here if its good? I do not care about matters outside the game or his persona

[brittle sierra]

I would show you, but he deleted the majority of his posts recently

[noble latch]

glad to see tanner hasnt changed

[bronze glade]

then idk why you're being so defensive over tanner when everyone here has told you he's not a good source of information

[eager reef]

Reminds me of some WF CCs tbh

[foggy phoenix]

I think I'm about to be the protagonist of a creepypasta

Wish me luck

[eager reef]

Everyone seems to hate them and yet they still exist somehow

[bronze glade]

there is no judgment to watching tanner, a lot of people simply don't know that he's full of shit

but if you get weirdly defensive over it

it's going to raise eyebrows

[upbeat gyro]

I wasnt defensive of him as i have no knowledge of him whatsoever. I was annoyed that you projected all these farfetched ideas unto me just because i linked his video.

[vapid jungle]

Are you trolling

[low harbor]

yes

[bronze glade]

ok well now that you know he's full of shit, you'll find better places for help right?

like ryken

(not that there are many options)

[upbeat gyro]

Maybe link his channel and ill have a look

Mr E ive also watched few times

[bronze glade]

https://www.youtube.com/@rykenxiv/videos

[zenith fern]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-successful-another-another-successful-ragebait-black-gif-18435710051418180311

[vapid jungle]

Ok. How anyone can take that toddler seriously is beyond me. Listen to Reginald or Ryken. Or better yet read kuli guides and make decisions for yourself.

[bronze glade]

unfortunately also a bad source of information

[tranquil berry]

Just pray to the emperor for wisdom

[bronze glade]

Mr E seems like a totally fine dude

[zenith fern]

Mister E is a big no non lmao

[bronze glade]

but he's just not good at this "youtube guide creator" thing

[vapid jungle]

Mister E makes content for contents sake.

[zenith fern]

His recent ogryn videos are down bad lmao

[tranquil berry]

Remember that this is the Internet. Make up your own facts and loudly disagree with any challenger.

[brittle sierra]

Ignorance is unfortunately not an excuse for the things he did 😔

But regardless, he's wrong, he is a bad source of information. So even if you "separate the artist from the art" he still is a bad watch.

[upbeat gyro]

Shame, its the one i just watched and made me wanna try some out of those 3 options as returning to Ogryn, used to "main" kickback ranged ogryn in early 2024

[drowsy relic]

I do think if FS gives a huge shout out to anyone it should be Kuli

[noble latch]

he should be listed in the credits if he isnt already

with the rest of the playtesters and such

[leaden fable]

Fuckin discord rearranging my reacts

[vapid jungle]

Kuli is an honorary dev at this point.

[brittle sierra]

This is what happens when you burn every bridge, you lose the ability to be criticized, and therefore you never need to defend yourself

Tanner has essentially placed himself into his little bubble to be surrounded by yes men

[vapid jungle]

They can't be bothered to convey critical information in game so he dug it out for us

[brittle sierra]

That is horrific for material analysis of real world data

[upbeat gyro]

Some really good guides with detailed info on pinned of these class forums

But only Ogrynomicon goes into actual builds, and even then its kinda vague

And Gameslantern has like 3 dodgy builds for 1 solid one, or maybe even worse ratio

[brittle sierra]

Vet guide was advertised on the Darktide launch page

[upbeat gyro]

And as a beginner to new classes, thats tough

[brittle sierra]

Just like Ogrynonicon

[zenith fern]

Ogrynomicon is slight outdated with some of recent balances but still a highly viable guide

[zenith fern]

Ogrynomicon be advertised on rework update was a big W

[bronze glade]

tanner told me that ogrynomicon is garbage

[zenith fern]

true

is full of stinky large men

[brittle sierra]

Darktide in general has a very frustrating learning curve

Because the game is designed in a way to be very difficult for you to understand your mistakes

I don't think it's "hard"

It's just that soo much of the game is hidden from you

[noble latch]

just watched through the credits again, and i dont think kuli is listed in them, but he definitely should be imo

[bronze glade]

and when the information is provided, half the time it's misleading or wrong

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah i wish i could trust the game's own info, instead of having to learn all these quirks from outside of it

[brittle sierra]

L4D was very broken down to the simplest mechanics because I think Valve knew that horde shooters cant be overcomplicating

[upbeat gyro]

Like entire talents not working at all or having hidden stuff not shown on em

[bronze glade]

i do think tide games are unique for having CRPG-style talents and mechanics

unfortunately mixing shooter and CRPG build systems results in a lot of confusion

for both players and the devs

[brittle sierra]

I also think the game at vanilla is kinda sus

[dire badge]

Nurgle and his gang are the good guys here and by opressing them we are only backing an opressive force called the imperium

[brittle sierra]

The FOV is too low

The default keybinds suck

I fucking hate the screen effects and motion sickness

The crosshairs can't be customized

The HUD is too much for no information

[fossil raptor]

• Lorgar Aurelian

[upbeat gyro]

Anyways, i gotta play boardgame, some IRL gaming, i hope the manual wasnt written by anyone too controversial

[dire badge]

unironically, memes aside, no choppin my fent here. I love Lorgar

[zenith fern]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1q3qnp7/turns_out_you_can_get_totally_one_shot_at_max/ "I wonder why I got one shot by a poxburster at full health and tough"
Looks inside, playing havoc with rottern armor

[leaden fable]

Purgatus psykers facing their first actual challenge in game

[brittle sierra]

I never understood people who complain about not being able to purchase X product because it was made by a sus person

Because the cost is just....not buying it 💀

I can understand people buying food or products they need to survive, because they are broke. Or refuse to boycott their employer because of unfair treatment, since they are afraid of unemployment.

But this is the exact opposite

[exotic temple]

Next you will tell me Magnus did nothing wrong

[low harbor]

because psyker has 97.5hp at base in max havoc scaling and poxburster deals 50 corruption (100 dmg) which is enough to fully corrupt >1 of his wounds and directly kill him

[dire badge]

he did tho? he was told to fuck off and do nothing and not break the barrier. And he did. He did nothing wrong, idk how you can fuck up so badly

[low harbor]

this is why health curio matters for the lower hp classes in havoc

[modest patio]

Imagine spamming purg on a crusher whose almost certainly full dotted and just ignoring the burster

[dire badge]

on my scum of the hive i dont take health curiou, just max health til I am justo ver 100

[low harbor]

also doable

[noble latch]

yeah they have a mod showing them the location of the burster, and its audio was so loud

[dire badge]

yeeee

[astral canyon]

Btw bath i have a question about the guide

[noble latch]

how did they die to that burster lmao

[low harbor]

u just have less wiggle room with health chip

[low harbor]

wot

[dire badge]

yeah but I can wiggle mroe thanks to 1 stam curiou

[modest patio]

Purg psyker so easy it actually makes you worse

[astral canyon]

What does the "tier 0/tier 1" stuff in the weapon section mean?

[low harbor]

tier0 = best
tier1 = good

[astral canyon]

Got it

[brittle sierra]

Let me guess

Shivs/Rashad are 0 😈

[low harbor]

this is chinese gaming terminology

[low harbor]

rashad t0 for hvs, t1 for other classes
shiv t1

[brittle sierra]

Fuck 😔

[exotic temple]

This is really my biggest issue with the way the Primarchs are written. They are all supposed to be these amazing generals and philosophers then act like teenagers.

[modest patio]

I didn’t even know there was a tier list somewhere

[low harbor]

I could make one if u want

[dire badge]

Dady issues ig. I mean I see how in mortarians case the emperor should of handled it by saving his ass but not killing then ecromancer, saying with him in his corner he can try as many times as he likes or some shit idk, i yearn for a good father

[modest patio]

Nah I have my builds all sorted lol

Appreciate it though

[bronze glade]

there isnt' a weapons tier guide in the HOTE guide is there?

i thought it was just blessing tiers

[leaden fable]

This kinda feels like how Greek mythology did it, even the gods were still human in their flaws

[low harbor]

no, didn't want to add one

[astral canyon]

That is what i was referring to

[low harbor]

I could make one tho

[bronze glade]

but think of all the internet arguments that you could stir up

[astral canyon]

Tru...

[low harbor]

yea can't wait for people to tell me I'm wrong

when I put 0 zealot exclusive melee in t0

[leaden fable]

Sounds right to me tbh

[final temple]

nurture can only do so much. most is nature. and not only are they made from moronic stock (with great power comes great derp) they were also juiced to the scalp with warp fuckery. if anything the primarchs working out at all was an absolute hail mary.

[dire badge]

TH and Relicblade my beloveds???

[low harbor]

relic blade t1
TH is so niche that it doesn't get a conclusive ranking

because it's immaculately dogshit in almost everything

but is bonkers for boss skip

[sonic pasture]

smokes my comically large cigar

[leaden fable]

As a thammer main I must agree

[low harbor]

if TH didn't boss skip well it'd be like

tier 4

bro is sitting on the same table with bonesaw

[leaden fable]

Yeah it'd be forgotten tier without boss clear for sure

[dire badge]

I wish bonesaw was as good as shiv, its such a fun tool

[compact oyster]

Thammer needs more stagger

[leaden fable]

Thammer needs more cleave and no self stun

[low harbor]

cleave is actually ok

[dire badge]

thammer NEEDS to marry me

[low harbor]

but the single target & mixed horde dmg need to be better

[leaden fable]

It's damage is hilariously low for lights as well compared to faster weapons

Yeah I mean cleave damage vs mixed horde

[final temple]

thammer needs a fucking huge explosion in it’s moveset. you know. how the actual weapon works.

[compact oyster]

Ok remove selfstun and watch as how people kill every single elite in the game within seconds

[leaden fable]

Yeah that thing they gave power maul lmao

[low harbor]

not gonna happen buddy it won't even beat relic blade

[leaden fable]

Yeah even without that it's still slow

They let chain dodge out of rev stick now and they haven't overtaken all else in the meta

[low harbor]

and the carapace dmg needs help

[leaden fable]

Still cannot believe it shipped with only two dodges

[exotic temple]

It’s not so much that they are flawed it’s the way they made them flawed. Magnus for example I can’t believe that as one of the most learned and powerful sorcerers in the setting was like oh there is this magical barrier around Terra let me tear it asunder…..

[low harbor]

magnus by being the biggest dumbass of all primarchs did the most dmg of all traitor primarchs during the heresy

dps mvp

[exotic temple]

Least valuable player

[final temple]

I mean, hubris IS a classical trope of greek heros

‘nothing is more important than me reaching daddy and telling him’

[icy scaffold]

Make the explosion send you flying back too. It would be peak

[exotic temple]

True but I feel like they could have written it better. They made Magnus look really dumb not really duped.

[dire badge]

imagine using it to blow up amauler pack, only the blowback causes the rushing overhead crusher to miss you

so peak

[low harbor]

all psykers are dumb

it's lore accurate

[icy scaffold]

Crusher misses you but you sent yourself off a ledge

[final temple]

Was he duped? I would claim he was dumb. Hubris is a quality of humans have in these stories to show that they should be humble, given that the gods’ machinations are beyond their ken

[low harbor]

it's not a coincidence that 2/3 of the biggest fuckups in 40k universe are caused by psykers

[muted pivot]

What's a good set-up for the bonesaw?

[muted pivot]

somethingsomething did nothing wrong

[compact oyster]

The burning man and twins

All 3 alpha plus psykers

[muted pivot]

fwiw this is going into a chemist build

[low harbor]

eldar deserved it

[exotic temple]

The way I read it I think he was tricked into destroying the wards/breaching the webway. He was fed the power he needed by one of his familiars (totally tzeentch bs) to destroy the wards after Horus fell to chaos

[final temple]

but it was his decision to be callous. sure, the gods enabled his hubris. that’s the lesson. you gotta stay humble because you are not made to replace the gods, human.

or think about heracles, the mighty, killing his own fam in a fit of manic rage induced by jealous hera.

[muted pivot]

I'm trying flak/unyielding, shock and awe/refined lethality, right?

[final temple]

shock and awe, decimator/shred

that’s the usual combo

[muted pivot]

I guess it applies more chem on crit

hence shred

but I kinda dig just making the chem stronger with decimator

flak/unyielding though, or something else?

any point in sample collector if I'm using the stimm crate?

[final temple]

yes

absolutely

[low harbor]

shred is meant for coated weaponry (which would apply 3 tox on crit hit)

[muted pivot]

blackouts are bad for this, right? Since it's hard to farm more of them?

[final temple]

look at ‘practiced deployment’ for the stimm supply. you want sample collector because it speeds up your buff cycle

[low harbor]

u cannot recover blackouts from chemtox DOT kills (except if the chemtox DOT came from needle pistol)

[icy scaffold]

Kinda weird they’d make an exception for the pistol but not the bone saw

[compact oyster]

Yrliet talking mad shit every time you talk to her

[final temple]

I doubt that is intentional and just a fuck up

[icy scaffold]

Best fix would just be to make sure it doesn’t proc off of blitz DoTs

[final temple]

or the same grace period as thrown shivs have

[muted pivot]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=a0c3eed4-6d0b-4cd2-8592-304ea66dfb94 how does this look

[wild anchor]

How's the revolver for hive scum?

I rocked it a bit at low levels but I'm wondering how it'll do higher

[muted pivot]

uh, actually, drop hyperviolence for fast acting stims in the build I just linked

I meant to have it that way around

[final temple]

Long lasting and blessed stimms are pointless with supply

[muted pivot]

good to know, can drop them for hyperviolence and something else I guess?

[vivid wedge]

Not having pickpocket is a big no no as well most times

[modest patio]

Dual stubs?

[wild anchor]

Regular

[muted pivot]

not sure how to budget in pickpocket unless I drop float like a butterfly

[final temple]

hyperviolence is good but you might struggle getting full value out of it with the saw

instead look at pickpocket and drop pocket toxin for either chem grenades or boomstick

[muted pivot]

path there via ammo jack right?

sounds good

I'm just playing damnations atm, will go up to auric soon, not gonna take this to havoc for a long long time if ever

[exotic temple]

But Heracles was kinda all brawn not so much brain. Magnus was written to be only second to emperor in psychic might. Then he panics and makes one of the biggest blunders in the setting. Which happens people Make really bad decisions under duress but this seemed so far out of character it was jarring

[final temple]

this is how I did it. red circle is optional wherever you prefer

[final temple]

Psychic Might doesn’t mean hyper intelligent, does it? that is more girly man’s power.

magnus was always planned to be the battery for the webway project

[modest patio]

I don’t believe I used the single. Best to wait for someone who has, the gun didn’t see havoc viable, but most things are viable at aurich and lower

[muted pivot]

you like hypercritical on this then?

can try that

[final temple]

I get more out of it with the saw than out of hyperviolence

[muted pivot]

was thinking of taking neither

[final temple]

but it’s mainly to path into pickpocket

[muted pivot]

no toxic renewal?

and no coated weaponry?

[final temple]

optional instead of targeted toxin

nah. no coated. you are in green most of the time.

[muted pivot]

aight, groovy

I guess the bonesaw doesn't need it

it's for it you want to be a chemist with a different weapon

[final temple]

I am not convinced it’s a good value proposition, period.

[muted pivot]

What stimm mix are you using with this?

Vultoprene and HypeX?

(that is, strength/crit and cdr on melee kills)

[final temple]

tailoring it to what the team wants. usually full str into crit and then full cdr

[muted pivot]

just plain cdr then?

[final temple]

not into melee kills. just plain cdr yes

[muted pivot]

groovy

thanks for all the help

time to get my cheeks clapped after getting too used to the op shivs

[final temple]

lol. bonesaw is comparatively cheeks but it’s workable.

and as long as you don’t have too much AS it doesn’t feel bad

[muted pivot]

does it catch like the crowbar?

[final temple]

kinda. H1 latches and the animation is unaffected by AS.

and like crowbar the big damage comes after latching

[muted pivot]

aight, mortis damnation here we go

also another question

chem bombs

do they actually apply the chem condition, or do they just act as a damage field?

[final temple]

they apply 6 stacks continuously

[modest patio]

Do the Mortis twins have a limit to how much you can hit them for?

Or can you just delete them like other bosses

[final temple]

I am pretty sure the shields have a reactivation limit but I have seen captains basically oneshotter by shroud field zealots

I think the twins have custom shields that go by time only

[modest patio]

Yea the shield goes back up at X%, but if you one shot them they fold

I haven’t done mortis since they came out and I cleared hard mode so wasn’t sure if I could shroud field one shot them

[exotic temple]

I guess that’s one way to look at it, but I’d assume a dumb psyker would just get possessed or get turned into a spawn or something.

[edgy saddle]

well i guess the games telling me its time for revolver scum

[last stag]

man, running the braced graia with a desperado setup is probably the most fun ive had in the game so far

[exotic temple]

H1 latches but not to the extent of the crowbar. Crowbar will yank your screen around bs just unlatches when something moves past it

[muted pivot]

ok, that bonesaw game was so much fun

I'm hooked

not sure if cdr is the right stimm though

I guess it's best for the team

so probably best to keep

[exotic temple]

I mean there is nothing wrong with experimenting

[foggy phoenix]

If you run chem dependency, CDR and crit rate will always be a given

The contents of the stimm will be whatever you want it to be

If only there was a stimm modifier that gives you tox-on-melee-hit

[muted pivot]

I'm keeping the strength/crit one at least, since that seems to be a staple pick

it felt like I could just keep dumping a new crate even before the previous one's effect had expired

not sure if that was because of my cartel stimm regenerating or the other way around

[fast wind]

darktide theory, the plasma gunner is a part of the treat lightlies, look at those stripes

[keen timber]

I thought they were blue

that's more akin to the carnival

or the show I guess

[fast wind]

they have blue but the stripes are their big thing

[fast wind]

not mine but as an example

the show have triangles it's completely different

this is the show, that aint hazard stripes

[north plank]

Hazard Stripes are not scum exclusive

[muted pivot]

Does Chem Fortified trigger on dropping the crate?

[fast wind]

I'm partially joking because it's funny to act like they are treat lightlies exclusive

[low harbor]

if u run crate, prob go speed + str(crit)

[keen timber]

they're just basic hazard stripes though yeah

[muted pivot]

That's what I go on all of my other builds already lmao

But it feels like the strongest a lot of the time

[fast wind]

but thats just a theory a scab theory

[muted pivot]

Speed, crit and strength are synergistic so makes sense

[keen timber]

I feel like in havoc I'd rather have rending over crit

[lapis raft]

lmao nice rpg damage

for crate i would always run cd stimm until they fix the bug at least

without cd stimm assuming triple cdr curio you are at 37s crate cd, with cd stimm on top 27s

makes pretty big difference for actual uptime for the crate collector/natural cd rotation

and ofc the cd from the stimm is rly good for your team on top as well

speaking about crate uptime, lol

[tranquil fjord]

what if hazard stripes are cool

[fast wind]

they are I choose the tread lightlies as my gang

[tranquil fjord]

the other moebian elites wear hazard stripes

[fast wind]

they too are in the tread lightlies?

[tranquil fjord]

yes ofc

[fast wind]

really got our hands in both baskets

[tranquil fjord]

everyone tread lightlies

[fast wind]

they're like alpha legion "thats the thing cap, we're all tread lightlies"

[viscid pivot]

fuck tread lightlies

[lapis raft]

water cartel >

[viscid pivot]

all my homies rep water cartel

[fast wind]

what is water but pee, you are the pee gang

bullets > pee

[viscid pivot]

and baby we're swimming in it

[astral canyon]

Ourple > green > the other cartel colors

Shrimple as that

[lapis raft]

purple is sign of style after all, movies told me so

[zealous ravine]

colorslop fans when i show up invisible instead

[astral canyon]

Purple is a sign of purple

[lapis raft]

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[astral canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/honestly-quite-incredible-drinking-water-underwater-cool-gif-22285702

[fast wind]

hold on, green, red, purple and blue gang colours, they remind me of something else split into 4 distinct colour groups

makes sense why a tread lightlies chestpiece has purple instead of blue since they're each going off chaos colours!

purple and blue both show up with tzeentch stuff

[lilac ermine]

Why did everyone choose water cartel

[limber cradle]

like the colors, like that theyre pre establisted

[fast wind]

they had lore established with them and zola being linked before scum came out

[final temple]

you run CDR for the team, yeah.

nothing screams oldhammer like danger stripes, imho

[exotic temple]

Because everyone likes being wrong

[lilac ermine]

I only choose water cartel because my backstory was barkeep

And they are like giving water

[last stag]

where my iron riders at

[astral canyon]

Pretty much that yeah

Also theyre the first option on the list when youre making a new hive scum character iirc

[nova valley]

Hello

[woeful hill]

Hallo

[nova valley]

Here! Ride on!

[nova valley]

Lore-wise, the Show and Iron Riders are the most original I think . Colours It'd say Treads. But all things considered, with Iron Riders, you ride eternal!

Besides the game starts with a crashed train, so, kinda like, revenge against the stinkies

[astral canyon]

Do you think the other cartels make fun of the water cartel for having an unoriginal name

[eager reef]

I would

[astral canyon]

As a water cartel fan

Fair

[eager reef]

Idk I signed tread lighties bc it amuses me

[astral canyon]

That is like the one thing i cannot defend

Imagine if the other cartels also had names like that

[last stag]

also to add onto the conversation from earlier about the 4 cartels going off of chaos colors

its also represented in their penances to some extent because iron rider cosmetic penances are all based around rampage and adrenaline

[astral canyon]

Train cartel
Drug cartel
I forgot whats the deal with the tread lightlies

[last stag]

arent they something to do with manufacturing

[astral canyon]

I dont remember

[eager reef]

Inb4 tread lighties is just the union

[nova valley]

Like, a Union became a gang

[brittle sierra]

Guys I found a secret build

Super secret

Nobody knows about it 🕵🏻

[exotic temple]

Is it braced autogun stim crate?

[rough peak]

mk1 dclaw + mk4 taxe?

[brittle sierra]

Nope I'll send you a DM

[rough peak]

I'm both equally scared and excited

[final temple]

‘keep laughing until your water ration tastes like jizz’

[mighty belfry]

If you were able to get it off any toxin kills, arguably, it might get a little busted with some setups

Since mk2 special can spread toxin around so quickly.

[leaden fable]

Only tastes like?

[icy scaffold]

Well they were saying the needle pistol restores blackouts. I forget if it actually does tho since I never use the pistol

[mighty belfry]

I'm pretty sure the enemy has to be hit with the needle itself.

Like how Desperado is coded.

[rough peak]

my 1st big death on hive scum... slipping off the edge on a ledge without a hangable place >.>

Gotta love ledges where you don't get to hang on when you fall off em

It's hilarious to me that that's how I died

[main trellis]

i choose it cause
Haha; sewers go 🤮

[rough peak]

There was WAY more bs that run that should have killed me

[main trellis]

[old thistle]

bought this for my hive scum...great charm, FS

[main trellis]

if only charms were not so insignificant

[old thistle]

i think they're neat

[leaden fable]

She rolling on my bones

[old thistle]

i'm making a jokme that the charm isn't showing

[main trellis]

i personally use moebian skull; best ever

[leaden fable]

Til I trinket

[main trellis]

and its free

[leaden fable]

I noticed this is true for some shiv skins as well

[exotic temple]

https://tenor.com/view/willy-wonka-osha-violations-osha-gif-12904413940309591364

[old thistle]

i just used the free FS bucks i got from an event

[leaden fable]

For any trinket you attach it's just invisible

[rough peak]

[old thistle]

the max rank double barrel skin had the charm floating in the air for a hot min

[fluid drum]

What blessings are we rocking on dual autos?

[leaden fable]

Run n gun + blaze away personally

[rough peak]

^ I was gonna say something like this, but, I wasn't sure what exactly the meta was.

[muted pivot]

Blaze away pinning for me

[fluid drum]

I been taking speedload and blaze away so was curious

[rough peak]

That's the other one I would have thought of

[muted pivot]

You can already sprint and shoot with them without rng

So it's only really the other bits that you get

[rough peak]

Run and gun is just nice cause of the accuracy buff, imo

[muted pivot]

And tbh I'm sprinting forwards any time I'm shooting with those

So that helps with TTK at range

Tbh with desperado I don't worry about accuracy, just TTK

Bullets are free

[rough peak]

Do bots count for the allies getting buffed by your crate for X time penance?

[main trellis]

turns out speedloader talent in the tree is enough reload you'll ever need
Run & gun reduces spread so you can actualy snipe at 20m what needs to die

[main trellis]

its the best; feels good to be useful at 20m range when its better to stick to the team/can't push for various reasons

[rough peak]

I'm in an uprising mission staying at max chem dependancy stacks atm with mini cd stim, cuz I wanted to get that done easy >.>

No one is joining cuz I started it right at the end of the mission's timer

I did that on purpose

trs 150 isn't very bad solo, anyway

they do count, nice

I'm not gonna sit at the start for 2k seconds tho

[tropic crag]

scum penances are the only ones i've decided to maybe do in the game because they are all just "play with this node equipped"

[verbal dew]

so is arbites

[tropic crag]

yeah but i don't like playing most of the arby weapons, i only like the arby maul, on scum i actually enjoy playing all the playstyles outside of vultures on scum

[exotic temple]

Arby is a bit boring to play.

[tropic crag]

yeah, i do like to play arby from time to time but thats just to get my arby maul/crusher fix

[exotic temple]

I’m still a little salty the new class got a 2h club/mace before Ogryn

Like they already have the concrete lollipop

[tropic crag]

the way they swing the shield around i don't think there is a weapon big enough to be a 2h oggy weapon

the shield is already many times the size of any of the 1h weapons and they swing it around casually with one hand

[brittle sierra]

guys hear me out

[exotic temple]

That’s one hand with infinite cleave

[tropic crag]

if you gave them a handle to use both hands with they'd just break the handle

[exotic temple]

Now think 2 hand

[dim moth]

arbites?

you mean the crusher that zealot got first?

[tropic crag]

yeah lol... i feel like if you give them a weapon they need too hands with they won't be able to fit through doors with it (or in the transport to the mission ) and if you gave them a long handle on a smaller weapon they're just gonna swing it and snap the head off lol

[exotic temple]

Yeah but zealots are just baby ogryns trying to wield ogryn sized club

[tropic crag]

zealot doesn't exist, its a lie made up by big emperor to sell more inquisitions

[pulsar aspen]

???

[exotic temple]

We have mining picks, so they can make 2h weapons they just need to stop with the improvised stuff and give 2-h Paul

[tropic crag]

has an oggy ever been actually trusted with a power weapon?

on purpose lol

[exotic temple]

The solar auxiliary had some ogryns with power armor and power claws

[tropic crag]

i wonder what the casualty rate of nose picking is in that unit

[exotic temple]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/5/5b/Ogryns-painted-trans.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150530190959

Scratch nose free lobotomy included

[trim wind]

Not only was crusher zealot first, it was one of the first new weapons for the game, year 1 shit

[zealous ravine]

crusher was an epic win for sure

[tropic crag]

it was the only reazon i played zealot was to use the crusher sometimes but then arby came out so the zealot ceased to exist for me again

[exotic temple]

Yeah but they make a new class and are like here is a 2h weapon. Ogryn been asking for 2 h weapon we get mining pick

[zealous ravine]

zealot exists to use the relic blade no other reason

[verbal dew]

zealot crusher is more fun than arby tho

since you can marty and do stupid shit

[rough peak]

What about to find red items that are super hidden?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1334710158525202443/99vpAu6.gif

[zealous ravine]

well thats not zealot

[rough peak]

Oh

Welp I got all of the show's orange cosmetics now >.>

[verbal dew]

orange?

they're gold

[rough peak]

it looks orange to me x.x

[tropic crag]

see, ever since vt2 i've always taken ALOT of chip damage but i've always hated those style of builds... but really i just really dislike zealots playstyle in the same way i disliked warrior priest.... theres just something about it i find incredibly boring

[exotic temple]

I think I’m missing th hat and I can’t be bothered to get it

[rough peak]

the quality color looks orange, not the gear's color

[exotic temple]

I have my gas mask

[rough peak]

transcendant

[verbal dew]

well when you're talking about the different gangs their color is a big part of it

[trim wind]

Though tbf crusher wasn't a real weapon for a long time, originally was poo poo caca that no one used

[tropic crag]

it was always good people are just too stupid to pushstab, they just made it comically good

[verbal dew]

yes I used to remember someone saying that they mained it ever since release

and then I tried it and it was poop

[trim wind]

No it originally didn't have that

[exotic temple]

I wonder if fs does quality control internally

[dim moth]

no it definitely had that when it was new

[tropic crag]

its always had the old og version of the greathammers pushstab

they buffed it but it was already good

[zealous ravine]

buff? scriers gaze?

[dim moth]

I would say it was like upper mid tier on its release

Not exactly high tier but it was distinctly not a bad weapon

[trim wind]

It was dogshit until a bit after p13

[exotic temple]

I’ve heard enough nerf ogryns

[trim wind]

When it got a complete rework

[tropic crag]

no... people just call things that are decent dogshit

[trim wind]

Moveset and everything changed

No it literally got wildly changed

[tropic crag]

i still remember using it just fine and it was the only reason i played the zealot before and after... then arby can use it so zealot is gone forever

zealot is darktides elf for me

played it enough to confirm i hate it and then never going back really

[zealous ravine]

at least zealot isnt the class with hte power falchion lmaooooooo

[exotic temple]

And they cooked with the art design for the falchion which makes it sadder

[bronze glade]

Power falchion on zealot would be so uber trash

[zealous ravine]

yea

[exotic temple]

Zealot needs 2h power falchion

[bronze glade]

That’s just relic blade at this point tbh

[exotic temple]

But with flair

[bronze glade]

Falchs flair is stupidly slow heavies

[zealous ravine]

oh god please stop adding relic blade likes

2h power falchion for zeaolt then vet gets like

a power scimitar

[lapis raft]

power knife for scum

[exotic temple]

Scimitars are a lie

[eager reef]

give us bladed gauntlets

[zealous ravine]

vet finally gets power fist but its a power blade fist

to use it you need power cycler

[sly hollow]

but with curve

[exotic temple]

Relic blade looks like an awkward battle paddle, they need more panache

[leaden fable]

Two finger powered butter knife for ogryn

No more leavin da butter out to soften, sah

[exotic temple]

Rashuns in the mornin killing Harry tics in the evenin back in time fo dinnah sah

[worn yoke]

can i get a big halberd

[zealous ravine]

tomorrow

[tropic crag]

i'm finally getting around to playing box/chem dep in earnest and not just a couple game test lol

[exotic temple]

Its kinda my favorite way to play

Like its support but it doesn’t feel anemic on the damage side of things

[tropic crag]

the way i'm building it the support side of it will just be a happy accident lol

or at least the way i plan to play it

as in i'll only be boxing for myself lol but if people are nearby in those 5 secs then cool

[exotic temple]

lol the buff is more of a happy accident for the team

[tropic crag]

lol just hot boxing the area, its not my fault if others wander in

[spiral horizon]

it was wayyyy weaker before the buffs

like crusher was not good

[exotic temple]

I did find a pretty decent gungryn yesterday id throw Stims on because the carnage was rather beautiful to behold.

[spiral rover]

is the catachan sword good for a melee hs build or is it too slow? I'm trying to figure out what the best melee options are. I like to run the catachan sword on zealot (and while I haven't mastered it) I've heard the riposte is super powerful when used well. Is it good on the hive scum or should I pick something faster?

[north crow]

shivs are the best option

[spiral rover]

why is that? Are they just all around good or are there specific reasons?

[north crow]

they chop up everyone and anything

while having superior mobility

and the best special in the game

better than some blitzes

[exotic temple]

I haven’t run it because the riposte action is a little clunky to use. With melee scum you want to hit often to get more time on rampage

[spiral rover]

rip my zealot knife instincts

keep hitting the wrong button

[spiral rover]

oh yeah that's true

[north crow]

rampage shiv scum is literally a better peak knife zealot

without the safety net

[spiral rover]

what are the differences even between the knife and shivs

[north crow]

knife has been degraded into a mobility tool

shivs murder absolutely everything

apart from that, they are similar

[spiral rover]

yeah I came from zealot and I first was running a desperado build and liked it but now that I've switched to rampage hive scum I don't know if I can go back to anything else

the speed and destruction makes me high in real life

[exotic temple]

I could see more of a use case of catachan sword on ranged scum because there are times when you have to pull out a melee weapon and it seems safe.

[north crow]

rampage scum is the most fun you can have in this game indeed

[spiral rover]

you can basically be immortal with the sword and using parries well

can solo basically any armored enemy by just parrying

something something ultrakill reference

[mighty belfry]

Tbh, I used to think the same way but, combat knife rampage with finesse stim is kinda crazy.

Like, surprisingly so.

[exotic temple]

I think it’s kinda garbage shivs get a nerfed uncanny strike

[bronze glade]

Nah uncanny is still stupid good

[rough peak]

Personally I think the other uncanny should have been nerfed to the amount the shivs have

[mighty belfry]

Uncanny is still very good on shivs.

[spiral rover]

what are the differences really between shivs and knife? Is knife faster or better for armor or smth? Or is it kinda just worse all around

[rough peak]

no one asked me tho lol

[exotic temple]

Yeah but I want 100 % rending

[bronze glade]

Worse single target damage way better vs hordes. Slightly worse mobility. Excellent special while knife special basically does nothing.

Shivs that is

[exotic temple]

I’m wondering if that is coming

[mighty belfry]

Shivs are a better generalist and has one of the best specials in the entire game. Knife is better at single target and armored.

I also think? knife has a better finesse multiplier

[spiral rover]

I love generalist, I should try shivs again

[mighty belfry]

Which is why it feels so particularly good with finesse stim.

[tropic crag]

the main problem with shivs is the fact that your hand will fall off from all the clicking

[livid raven]

less than zealot tacaxe tbh

[mighty belfry]

Nah tac axe can get just as bad on this class too lol

[north crow]

only if you stack rampage with frenzy

rampage only is fine

[tropic crag]

not playing with rampage and frenzy feels wrong tho, slayer mode is just sitting there, you don't not take that

[hardy maple]

my finger has been forged in the fires of Star Fox Adventures, button mashing doesnt even cramp me anymore

[north crow]

function over form

[mighty belfry]

For finesse heavy weapons, it does honestly make sense to run rampage with chem

[tropic crag]

lol i can still button mash but injuries put a limit for how long

[north crow]

rampage chem is way more dmg

with shivs

5% crit is about 13-15% dmg

depending on armor type

[tropic crag]

but then you're not dependent on the adrenaline, you're replacing it with something else man

the only thing missing is letting us grow out long red beards and letting us get more naked

[mighty belfry]

It also means you don't necessarily have to run CDR to get rampage back quicker.

[north crow]

you have to run riposte on shivs to reach 67% crit too

whereas precog is a lot more dmg

[mighty belfry]

Tbh I run executor

[tropic crag]

you dont have to anyway tbh, adren bridges the gaps between rampages just fine

[north crow]

precog is nutty, even if its nerfed form

and going over 67.5% crit is redundant

[tropic crag]

like on rampage/frenzy you don't really need cdr because you have your stim with a mini rampage in it and your frenzy constantly proccing

so rampage on default cooldown feels fine with all those other tools

[north crow]

I use AS stimm with rampage chem too

I found it better to deal with rampage downtime by making yourself capable

instead trying to get it back quicker

[tropic crag]

yeah i use attack speed and strength mostly on my rampage builds

[north crow]

same

12% str

and fully specced AS

to mimic rampage

for consistency

[tropic crag]

its a good "oh i could use a second power surge and rampage is down" button

yeah

[north crow]

I've played a H40 with 2 desperado and a needle spam stimm supply as rampage yday

it was the worst experience I've had a in a while

[mighty belfry]

There is one thing to say about adrenaline over Chem though.

[north crow]

kept dying during rampage downtime

because everyhing was just running at me

and my build was centered aroudn rampage uptime

[mighty belfry]

Toughness regen is better for aggression than toughness dr

[north crow]

nah

[tropic crag]

yeah i get hurt alot more when playing chem tbh

[north crow]

5% regen is superior under one condition

[mighty belfry]

In general, hive scum heavy teams are just really tricky to play.

[tropic crag]

because i'm face tank mcgee

[north crow]

fuckin pox gas

I will absolutely use frenzy vs pox

[mighty belfry]

Idk I find way more value off of the regen from my experience

[dreamy rover]

And then you get that one chorus zealot and suddenly everything dies

[north crow]

not really, as long as you have a brawl buddy

being the only melee is the rough part

2 rampage can just divide and conquer

[mighty belfry]

Ya. That tends to happen with hive scum heavy teams

[north crow]

but the other 3 had literally 0 melee dmg done

[mighty belfry]

I have never seen two rampage scum in a havoc lobby

That simply just doesn't happen.

[north crow]

desperado was the worst fuckin idea to ever happen to a tide game

but I guess they needed a gimmick to sell

[mighty belfry]

Believe it or not, chorus zealot doesn't synergize that well with scum

[bronze glade]

Desperado is just hood psyker

[dreamy rover]

It does with rampage

[north crow]

desperado just sucks the fun outta runs

[bronze glade]

bistol desperado = traumaker
DB desperado = purge psyker
DAP/brauto/SAP/Vraks desperado = gunker
it all checks out

[bronze glade]

Sounds like psyker

[north crow]

true

[zealous ravine]

at least desperado has dual stubbers

psy has 0 fun staves

[north crow]

at least you get to hit things often enough to sustain on frontline with purg

[dreamy rover]

Sure you not talking about smite?

[mighty belfry]

When I'm rampaging, I want enemies to aggro me more.

[north crow]

but uzis will just murder them right before you get the swing in

[north crow]

no because I will never allow that in my lobby

I don't run into smykers often on high havoc either

[dreamy rover]

You should have been around before fatshark nerfed smite. Was the most unfun experience I've had in a long time.

[zealous ravine]

theres some people who dont even accept psy at all lmao

fatshark nerfed smite?

[north crow]

take a guess

[mighty belfry]

Chorus is good for that situation where things are severely bad and there needs to be some space made. But in general, chorus is kinda antisynergetic with rampage scum.

[zealous ravine]

did you start playing this year

[worn canopy]

i though about having heavy stub dual pistol

so it has nice stagger

[north crow]

no I just got the game on the latest sale

[zealous ravine]

ohhh

[zealous ravine]

when did fatshark actually nerf smite

[north crow]

never

they only buffed it

[worn canopy]

give this to scummy class

[north crow]

I don't think anything has ever been nerfed on psyker

[zealous ravine]

yeah i can only think of smite buffs

[north crow]

because the metrics says they suck

so we gotta buff scrier again me thinks

[dim moth]

ya boy the illisi force sword

[zealous ravine]

scriers gives inf ammo and 25% attack speed

[rough peak]

"Smite now does +500% damage to non-elite enemies"

[dim moth]

also force swords used to have infinite effective dodges

[rough peak]

[north crow]

was it nerfed, or the game just outscaled it

[zealous ravine]

that was goofy

[north crow]

shredder illisi psyker used to be the best DPS class in the game

[rough peak]

I remember being able to use the deimos force sword for mobility by soley dodging lol

[zealous ravine]

i remember complaining that i could just stand next to a wall and spam dodge LOL

[mighty belfry]

The college essay is not long enough.

Scrier's needs more buffs.

Now if you're at 100%, you can regen up to 50% of your base toughness as golden toughness.

[zealous ravine]

unironically i think scriers does need 1 buff where they make the eyes glow and have a blue trail

the img has that smh

then it ne eds 3 nerfs

[rough peak]

You blow up if you don't have your ranged weapon out when it ends

[zealous ravine]

noooooooo

im allergic to ranged weapons

[worn canopy]

play jihad psyker

[rough peak]

That'd only screw with the better darktide players tbh

[worn canopy]

5 wound

[dreamy rover]

Funny enough, I did see a psyker play like that once. He basically used smite to get into position putting himself in the middle of a bunch of crushers and then POP!

[worn canopy]

me play like one explosion enough kill dreg shotgunner

or more

with bistol lethal prox, crytaline will

and seer presence good enough to kill them

assail is easily stack up peril

the regular peril explode is too weak

[dreamy rover]

Nah, this dude was running the smite/scriers combo. He was basically in critical peril most of the time.

He was roleplaying that crazy psyker perfectly

[worn canopy]

doesn't have warp unbound on it?

[drifting heron]

Seeing smite and scriers on a person makes me leave in lobby

[tropic crag]

smite in general is annoying because it completely changes the flow of the lobby but like... they aren't doing anything good while doing it

i just run assail scriers when i want my DS fix lol

[worn canopy]

the hardcore player demand remove smite

[drifting heron]

Because its terrible

Why did they add it

[tropic crag]

its not even a hardcore thing, its just not fun to have everything standing around the entire match+ be down a player

[drifting heron]

It turns fights into dps checks

You just sit there and hit them

[zealous ravine]

theres probably like 10 other psy blitzes they coulda done that arent smite

and we got hecking smite

[tropic crag]

they should have given them just one normal ass grenade because it would have been funny

[dreamy rover]

Smite should have been like a one tap nuke with a long cd.

[astral canyon]

Not like we would lose much in terms of thematics either since one staff already does the palpatine gimmick

[dreamy rover]

Like throw lightening down the line

[tropic crag]

that would just be brain burst tho (lol when they first added in everything i thought the brain burst was called smite because it makes sense )

oh i see what you mean, like a line aoe of sorts or whatever

[worn canopy]

is hardcore you want player to be constant moving without break and anyone down must suffer death no revive until next horde break.

[dreamy rover]

Yeah, they could have done some interesting things with it. Like center it around melee builds with you are getting charged by electricity that makes your hits more likely to stun enemies...

[worn canopy]

constant high pressuring

[dreamy rover]

Smite passives are pretty dogwater as well...

[tropic crag]

no, i don't think saying "i dont' want every enemy i fight to be standing perfectly still the whole match" means "NO BREAK FAL;KJDSF;LKAJSDF" unless i'm having a stroke

[zealous ravine]

smite replaced with bulwark be gone where it deletes bulwarks from the game permanently

[honest shale]

boom bringer?

[zealous ravine]

yeah but like more

[tropic crag]

i love cc, you can find me singing the praises of cc in a game like this in a few discords for the last 10 years , but smite isn't cc, its an on off switch that isn't fun

[worn canopy]

smite is like chorus

you want stopping an enemy

that surrounded you

[honest shale]

No, fun CC is stamina stacking push-attacking bonesaw blobbing up groups to watch them die to chem toxin.

[dreamy rover]

Nah, teams benefit from chorus. Especially dmg chorus

[tropic crag]

i also don't like chorus, its like... oh yeah you've cc'd them but its not useful cc because you have to stand there like a goober for 3 mins fist pumping

[astral canyon]

Smite and chorus are both lame because you do nothing while cc'ing

[tropic crag]

its cc that requires help, thats the opposite of good cc, good cc lets you help others, not forces them to come zip up your pants lol

[brittle sierra]

Hehe I know a secret Desperado build 😈

[eager reef]

mfw haf the total kills and most of the spec kills are me memeing with triple barrel shotgun

[honest shale]

share with the class.

[worn canopy]

they are two different same use

[brittle sierra]

Never do something for free

[astral canyon]

5 units of rashuns

[honest shale]

The decline and annihilation of western society, in a nutshell.

[brittle sierra]

Good tbh

[tropic crag]

every time i turn and realize i can't fight how i planned and need to go hold the zealots hand while they have a senior moment never feels like they are helping me... if they throw a fire nade on the ground it feels like i'm being helped, when they fist pump it feels like i need to drop everything and help grandpa

[brittle sierra]

Make it 10 and I'll DM u

[astral canyon]

20 and you post it here

[brittle sierra]

No

[astral canyon]

25

[honest shale]

Dude I was complaining the last few matches about thinking I could rely on someone behind me and realizing I couldn't. So much low-damage/low-cc out there in quickplay being completely useless.

[brittle sierra]

No

If I spread the build around people will abuse it

Can't have a second Psyker class

Smh my head

[astral canyon]

alright alright

[tropic crag]

it can't be worse than needgun desp

[astral canyon]

heres your 10 units of rashuns

[brittle sierra]

Needle Des is funny

[brittle sierra]

Preciate it

[honest shale]

If you're not stupid and put the weakspot cleave on it desperado needlegun slaps ass from miles away.

[mighty belfry]

It's really not as beneficial as you'd think.

[tropic crag]

stim box scum is like a good version of damage buff chorus tbh

[mighty belfry]

Hell I haven't been seeing chorus in havoc much recently because I think people are actually starting to wise up to that.

[dreamy rover]

Nah, I've clutched lots of games with it.

[final temple]

teams profit of a fatmangus more than from chorus. fatmangus is hard to down and brings both massive damage and safe res

[astral canyon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a07a1191-d386-4a2b-8511-26c27b84718e/professional-vicodin-dealer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button heres the build orcka sent me if anyone was curious

i do not see the vision personally

[mighty belfry]

Before the rework, it was outright busted because you could just spam the fuck out of it and shut down the game

[brittle sierra]

Dam I knew it

[mighty belfry]

After the rework, it's nowhere near as good.

[astral canyon]

you couldve walked out of this with 25 rashuns

[mighty belfry]

And arguably zealots worst ability at this point.

[drifting heron]

Zealot is the anti elite/anti boss attack dog

[brittle sierra]

It wasn't about the rashuns!

[drifting heron]

Dumping your two nuke abilities to sit there and cheer for like 9 seconds isn't great

[tropic crag]

theres a bunch of things that would have made the clutches happen smoother tbh... like yes you can do things with it but its so slow and you can't really do anything solo with it so its just clunky and not really good

[mighty belfry]

I love fatmangus build!!!

So very wholesome!!!

[astral canyon]

tf is a fatmangus

[drifting heron]

Fat zealot

3 hp curios

4 wounds

Base toughness

And a fuck ton of dr

[mighty belfry]

It is so fun just eating a poxburster and taking barely any reasonable damage lmao

[drifting heron]

300+ hp in havoc

Before dr

[honest shale]

My only true critique is you need to make room for Hive City Brawler. Otherwise if you like how it plays you like how it plays. Is there some interaction I'm missing and underappreciating?

[astral canyon]

what the dawg doin

[tropic crag]

lol the vision is that even meme builds and weird off builds feel crazy strong on scum when you put time into them (i didn't click on the build but every meme build i've made has come out op)

[brittle sierra]

Look at the range weapon

[rough peak]

Oh, I somehow managed to get 6 runs with no deaths in them today. I wasn't expecting to complete that contract so easily >.>

Then again... I murdicated 2 daemonhosts this morning to get 2 of those runs done lol

[drifting heron]

"Wolfer, I'm trying to kill this zealot but the clap of their ass cheeks keeps deflecting the sniper shots"

[honest shale]

Yeah I've played around with point blank on hivescum before and didn't find any meaningful improvement anywhere. Were you able to find something that breaks it?

[tropic crag]

honestly its what i was going to do when i finally get around to playing desp for the penances

[final temple]

praise be to the beneficit emperor for giving us full fat rashuns!

[brittle sierra]

Raw damage is great on explosive bolt so it was strong on Arbi when you had ammo

But the problem was having to reload it constantly

But on Scum

[mighty belfry]

Lethal prox

Boom bringer

[brittle sierra]

You also don't need to worry about cleave

In higher havoc difficulties

[honest shale]

Woah woah woah is it an arbitrary 25% explosion damage increase?!

[mighty belfry]

...radius

[brittle sierra]

The radius gets increased

[vast vapor]

I really hope when Fatshark gets back to work they fix this class because it is sooo bad in havoc higher levels. Really hope they fix it.

[final temple]

what a coincidink that fs release some scum adjacent skins for bpistol and bolter.

I am seeing the light!

[honest shale]

Radius* sure. Brain works.

[astral canyon]

even though hive doesnt get bolter lol

[brittle sierra]

Range damage is also applied to the explosion damage of the bolt pistol

You also reset the clip when you use Desperado

[mighty belfry]

Which, the radius being increased, actually does mean a lot.

[brittle sierra]

In other words you can horde clear better than the auto guns

And you don't need to worry about cleave

[tropic crag]

lol i think i mentioned in passing that bolt pistol was probably busted on desp near release, i love that stupid gun so it was going to be the weapon i used when i finally force myself to play a ranged build

[mighty belfry]

Explodey bistol is low-key goated on hive scum

[brittle sierra]

The only problem with the gun tho is boss damage

[honest shale]

Yeah this is making me raise my eyebrows. Anything that can help deal with increased density in havoc is worth my time.

[mighty belfry]

This class breaks a lot of rules.

[brittle sierra]

Since you drop puncture

You don't do a lot of damage to high HP targets

And the AOE is useless

[mighty belfry]

Tbh I'd run mk3 knife with that setup for boss dmg

But that's just me.

[brittle sierra]

@bronze glade is the one who came up with it btw

[honest shale]

I was just trying to type the same thing.

[tropic crag]

bone saw might work too since its easy boss damage if you're being lazy about it... but you'd have to like the bonesaw for it to work

[honest shale]

Bonesaw is amazing. My personal choice. Crit build it, smack a few times for tons of chem toxin, run away and hide.

[tropic crag]

chainaxe or chainsword maybe too... they don't nuke bosses but can do ok on the special attacks

yeah i love the bonesaw but its def an aquired taste of a weapon more than a universal fav

[brittle sierra]

I just use launcher

Because you already clear everything else

[tropic crag]

i like pocket sand too much to solve boss damage with blitzes tbh

[honest shale]

Not a lot of people appreciate that the heavy attacks hit multiple times and can drop crit dots like crazy. It's peak lazy boss killing.

[tropic crag]

lol it is, it turns boss moments into "oh a boss" and you attack it for a bit then walk away and go about your day

[honest shale]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-csi-miami-glasses-sunglasses-horatio-caine-gif-14033607

The feels are real.

[bronze glade]

Trauma psyker

[nova valley]

Has anyone figured out a way to play HS with, like, a shotgun build? I despise the weapon, but it is interesting to ponder about the possibility

[mighty belfry]

Which shotgun

Because if you're saying this about double barrel

[honest shale]

Yes! Calling for a Time Out talent is like a permanent 25% damage reduction.

[nova valley]

Any tbh. As I said, I do not like the weapon.

[nova valley]

Right, actually, that would work!

[tropic crag]

the shotgun desp build is both a meme build and REALLY good lol

[honest shale]

Yeah I was toying around with that earlier today but didn't fully commit. Please let me know what you find!

[mighty belfry]

Double barrel, flakaniac, manstopper + flechette

[nova valley]

But it is just that I am afraid. Like shotgun for medium/boss and melee for hordes?

[mighty belfry]

With Sticky hands and the node that gives you a third shell (forgot the name)

And pickpocket

[bronze glade]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0909dc2-3b46-4c65-86f5-738473a4a423/inferno-hiveker

It’s kinda dumb

But it works

[mighty belfry]

You never have to worry about a horde again.

[bronze glade]

You will have to dodge a lot because you spend all game reloading

[livid raven]

fortunately it's the right class to dodge

[mighty belfry]

Tbf when anything that isn't an ogryn just fucking dies

It's a pretty reasonable tradeoff.

[bronze glade]

I wished we got more reload speed

But I’m pretty sure it’s intentional

That we don’t

[nova valley]

Sounds cool tbh. Hope to see someone running it

[livid raven]

if you got more reload speed, desperado would be even more disgusting

[bronze glade]

Yeah

[mighty belfry]

Nah keep the reload speed the way it is

I really don't think we need it to be any faster for how ridiculous the setup is lmao

[livid raven]

btw why does this run battering strikes

[rough peak]

+up to 50% reload speed based on how much of your mag is left(minimum at 0%, max at 99%)

[mighty belfry]

Helps when the horde is a little too close to rely on double barrel tbh

[astral canyon]

fuck

i have to stop leaving my phone on my keyboard

[mighty belfry]

Not my build but I understand why it's a choice.

[nova valley]

I'd really like a buff on the vulture's mark the 3 related perks tbh, before playing it desperado again. Vulture's dodge seems like it is not working all the time 50% of the time, and it pisses me off

[mighty belfry]

I-I'm sorry what

Vulture's Dodge?

I'll be honest

[livid raven]

vulture's dodge is kinda strange with melee attacks

[mighty belfry]

You literally only take Vulture's Mark for Vulture's Dodge lmao

[astral canyon]

vulture does not need buffs

[livid raven]

even Kuli says it doesn't entirely work

[mighty belfry]

I know that overheads can still hit you.

[nova valley]

Yes. Strange as in "Strange, it did not work... Again!" 🤣

[mighty belfry]

But I've found it consistent otherwise.

[livid raven]

yeah it seems that it doesn't actually make you invulnerable to melee attacks for 1 second

but only 0.2 or so

[mighty belfry]

And the overhead thing is because you're not "invulnerable"

[rough peak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/728174260878704643/1178364672756437022/salvatory_ogryn.gif

[bronze glade]

It’s comfy with shivs but def not required

[mighty belfry]

This is yet another chalked Fatshark description.

[vast vapor]

Fatshark was smart not to make Hive Scum cosmetics

[mighty belfry]

Vulture's Dodge makes you considered "dodging" against those attacks.

[livid raven]

but not for 1 second

at least not against melee

[mighty belfry]

I think the timing of it is off sometimes.

Something is a tad fishy with its duration but even then, at least for the weapons its actually good for, it's really good.

[livid raven]

while that's true, it's also the only node that really does anything

[nova valley]

Well, even the other perks that should push off enemies on elite kills works inconsistently tbf

[livid raven]

Vulture's push is a meme, Patient hunter doesn't do much

[drifting heron]

You know a node is bad when even kuli calls it shit in a guide

[livid raven]

is that vulture push

[drifting heron]

Yes

[livid raven]

owned

[drifting heron]

"And staggers barely anything"

[mighty belfry]

Yeah vulture's push is just

Horribl

[nova valley]

I tried to make an all around build, with desperado and adrenaline but in H30ish+ it's not working anymore for me

[livid raven]

i don't think hivescum really works when you mix the branches

[nova valley]

I really like Desperado, but it is just not worth it compared to rampage imho

[livid raven]

except the crate

[nova valley]

Yeah, probably right

[livid raven]

Desperado is fantastic tho

[final temple]

you are correct. there is some weird bug with rolling VD instances. there is like a moment of vulnerability inbetween

[tropic crag]

you can mix chem dep with rampage and even adren with crate and crate with vultures... but yeah desp does not play nice with anything else really

[livid raven]

are you using a wrong weapon for it

[mighty belfry]

This is honestly one of the biggest fundamental issues with hive scum tbh

You can't really do hybrid builds that well.

[tropic crag]

balanced play is the vets thing

[honest shale]

Desp and chem dep rocks and rolls.

build for cd stimm on fast cd.

[final temple]

adrenaline and VM are just not really versatile. they are very much ‘the melee’ and ‘the ranged’ keystone.

[livid raven]

well it's more like Rampage doesn't work with Vulture dodge and desperado doesn't work with adrenaline

[tropic crag]

lol i forgot that one honestly yeah... i guess i'm just saying desp doesn't play nice with adren

[nova valley]

[livid raven]

they should have made the boom bringer an ability

[tropic crag]

vets just have a whole build centered around swapping, scum has some swapping based nodes but its not really full support

[tropic crag]

like on oggy?

[astral canyon]

nah i like it being a blitz

[livid raven]

like on vt2 bountyhunter

[astral canyon]

specially because of how it interacts with field improv

[exotic temple]

You sorta can with chem dep.

[tropic crag]

lol oh

[final temple]

I’d claim the abilities are functional but the keystones need broader scope

[livid raven]

tho bountyhunter just takes out a lousy pistol

[tropic crag]

it team kills like a boss tho

[nova valley]

Yeah I know. But I was trying to clean hordes and elites/spec with desperado, and rampage in a few kills into bosses n crushers. But, it ain't working (for me, at least)

[tropic crag]

the amount of times my slayer has been domed because i was jump reseting my dodges and the BH chose to fire right then

[livid raven]

owned

[tropic crag]

lol one time when playing i ran into a FS employee and the match went super well, then the BH turned and team killed someone near the end and the FS worker just started shaming them then left the lobby back at the keep

like not harsh shaming just like "well that wasn't very nice" and a couple of things like that lol

[livid raven]

ultra owned

i would also kill the FS employee in vermintide 2 if i played still

[tropic crag]

lol they were good, it was a cata match (so not the hardest but still cata) but the FS employee was doing at least half the lifting the whole time

the BH was being hard carried lol

i think they were a krub

you can't hate a kruber player

they were either a kruber or an unchained player i can't remember now but it was one of those, both were there in the game but it was too many years ago

[final temple]

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-gif-4679601

[prime violet]

I miss team killing

[light phoenix]

I honestly feel friendly fire would help improve Darktide

[faint fossil]

me standing in front of the vet with a fully loaded bolter

https://tenor.com/view/ash-baby-gif-7280845142657635823

[rough peak]

It's the same as walking out in front of the bounty hunter while he has his ult out

[light phoenix]

Having better team coop for clear firing lanes and less ammo spamming

[faint fossil]

my fat ogryn ass would die to team fire constantly

im too big

[light phoenix]

Closest we have is Scum and Boombringer... if friendly fire is back on haha

Grenade Vet Spammers gonna bleed everyone haha

[rough peak]

https://tenor.com/view/get-blown-up-dog-dog-explosion-sticky-notes-gif-17071604041793579031

[livid raven]

Friendly fire would be a nightmare for smite users

[light phoenix]

Or a nightmare for Smyker teammates

[main wagon]

I play multiple coop games with a us marine and listen to other folks play Tarkov with him bc I will never

Mr. “I shoot expert in qualification” will always fall back on…

“They walked into my field of fire”

instead of

“I have zero trigger discipline”

I’m glad DT has no FF lmao

[tropic crag]

i love friendly fire in vermintide but it would ruin darktide lol

[rough peak]

I have 0 trigger discipline... even less when trappers are involved

[main wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/first-step-seth-phase-one-thumb-first-one-gif-16486312

[tropic crag]

we do have some friendly fire in DT, bursters getting shot when you go to shove

[main wagon]

Yeah I was just gonna say Scum combined with bugged silent bursters has left me guilty a couple times

[rough peak]

barrels launching teammates into the abyss as well

[main wagon]

There’s also the times you think it’s safe to detonate it and some teammate comes diving out the upper right part of your screen to get inside the explosion radius

[tropic crag]

lol naw the barrels dont' really move to random locations so if i get thrown by a barrel then thats fair game, i walked into that

[main wagon]

I don’t feel as bad when someone runs past me and then gets hit by the burster I had pinged and was actively dealing with

[prime violet]

Me eyeballing every barrel estimating my chances of yeeting someone into the hole

[tropic crag]

i feel terrible when i go to shoot a bomber and then a burster flys in front of my shot as someone goes to shove

[tropic crag]

lol i either melee barrels myself or approach from "safe to be thrown" sides only now adays unless i really space out or am struggling against some bad director nonsense