hivescum-class

[unkempt gust]

Only got mk1 of the needle atm what’s the difference between it and Mk2?

[dire badge]

is hyper critical good on melee shiv rampage

[mighty belfry]

Well, except that it can actually damage carapace by default but doesn't have perilous combustion to propagate the dots to ridiculously high counts really fast.

[bronze glade]

yeh

[dire badge]

thanks papi

[north meteor]

They're learning to fly

[idle ore]

It is really average at best

You also can’t push attack

[mighty belfry]

You wouldn't do it point blank tbf

But aoe toxin on a horde especially with pickpocket in the mix actually does pull a lot of weight for horde clear.

[idle ore]

how many poison stacks does it take to kill non pox walkers?

bruisers etc

dont go and test it

[final temple]

1

[idle ore]

no

[final temple]

wait. no. I am a dipshit. I went to one needle shot xD

so maximum 6 stacks

[zealous ravine]

2

[idle ore]

if the entire horde is nothing but poxwalkers

then sure you can go clear them with your needler

[livid raven]

you could really just get in there and smash them tho

[idle ore]

lets not delude ourselves lol

ts is not good horde clear

😭

[livid raven]

it's a special that does something

that's more than most guns can say

[idle ore]

yea

[zealous ravine]

fatshark learned they can make gun specials not gun bash 🙏

other than dual autos........... its over...

[mighty belfry]

Are we forgetting how strong a weapon that ignores cleave is?

Is there not a reason purge staff is so problematic right now?

[worn yoke]

Weird how stubs get something super unique and autos got bash

[pallid quail]

no lol there isnt because burga has been like that since day 1 and the odd obsession balancebrains have with it borders on neurosis

[mighty belfry]

It's not the ttk. You can just spread the dots willy nilly through whatever without scrutiny and when you're constantly spamming them, it starts to domino into some actually good horde clear.

[zealous ravine]

idk it does have infinite ammo and inf cleave

[modest patio]

It also stuns them while in the fire

Purg is a wildly strong weapon

[zealous ravine]

obviously gonna be very silly busted

[zealous ravine]

its true...

[pallid quail]

only the primary staggers them lol

[mighty belfry]

Not only that but it also is like. The single best way to abuse sample collector.

[modest patio]

Correct so you throw 2 left clicks, then a wave of fire and repeat cycling left clicks if you have crushers in your face

[pallid quail]

yea but it always did ? ppl act like its a completely new thing

[modest patio]

It didn’t matter before hordes weren’t as dense

[zealous ravine]

the meta shifted with the density increasing over time

[pallid quail]

i push/stab them with my sword cus im not a shitter

[zealous ravine]

clearly the real fix was not having havoc be a thing because it sucks anyways

[modest patio]

Before we had aurich males and priority targeting with lightning staff (especially when bugged with the smite perks) was just better

[keen timber]

hordes were less dense and psyker was actually squishy

[pallid quail]

true but it feels like were at a point of declining density since the director uses its whole spawning budget on special spam

also everyone says psyker is a tank these days yet everyone also shits on just a dream

[mighty belfry]

I mean. They're definitely tankier than they used to be.

[pallid quail]

"erm psyker so tanky op but i will not be taking a new dr node 🤓 "

[zealous ravine]

huh why wouldnt you take that

its like actually insane

[pallid quail]

idk maybe theyre bad at peril mgmt ?

[astral canyon]

They prob just couldnt think of something unique for the daps

[zealous ravine]

fell off....

[dim moth]

I use mk6 alt fire very occasionally

to clear large elite packs that get clumped up when I throw a blinder

or into large amounts of fodder ranged enemies to get them to STOP SHOOTING ME

[tranquil fjord]

so the needler shot is aoe when it strikes the ground

[dim moth]

blue mode is aoe no matter what it hits

[idle ore]

have you tested the weapon much

the aoe radius is small

[idle ore]

it is decent for sample collecter if you're not running the toxin on crit

[tranquil fjord]

no i mean one shoots it at the ground and the shot spreads among a horde

ah, wait im tired

[candid flint]

crowbar is growing on me

it is not as bad as i thought it was

you do have to expend more effort with it, then with shivs

[mighty belfry]

It's small but spammable.

I've ran it in havoc before. You shoot enough and you're going to end up inflicting a lot of toxin.

This is probably one of the best uses for pickpocket by far.

And one of the most braindead really.

The range is small but circumventable just by how spammable it is.

[flat mist]

The vast majority of psykers don't take it

Because you have limited points and if you're peril edging or using scriers OwtW is way better

[zealous ravine]

just take both

[flat mist]

And much of that tackiness is from ever increasing toughness regen not just DR

[flat mist]

Reading hard

[zealous ravine]

ok

[pine shell]

Is Crowbar just kinda bad?

[zealous ravine]

its alright just pretty clunky with the special

[bronze glade]

it's a weapon balanced around having both rampage and adrenaline

sooooo yeah

[pine shell]

Wdym by it being balanced around it, as opposed to other weapons?

[zealous ravine]

the special is very unsafe not a fan of that

[candid flint]

it struggles to shine without rampage and adrenaline

[pine shell]

Presumably every weapon is better with rampage adren

[bronze glade]

yup

[candid flint]

whereas the other weapons do not need rampage or adrenaline to feel nice

[bronze glade]

the base stats are balanced on the assumption that you're getting the massive buffs that rampage / adren give

at least that's what it feels like

[zealous ravine]

AS makes it slightly safer

[pine shell]

I feel like instead of saying it's balanced around those stuff, you can just say it's bad lmao

[zealous ravine]

idk if i'd call it bad but i dont think its good either

[bronze glade]

well yeah i thought that part was obvious, was just explaining why i think it feels bad

[zealous ravine]

just okayish

[candid flint]

i think it's become my favorite weapon on scum, but not because it is super good

its jsut fun and crunchy. it makes me feel more skilled--because shivs are really, really good and make it feel too easy

like dueling sword for me (as in i stay away from using it because it takes too much fun out of the game, by being too good)

[zealous ravine]

shivs are way safer and do more damage anyways lmao

[tranquil fjord]

what blessings does the crowbar take

[zealous ravine]

while also having a ranged attack

[bronze glade]

superiority opportunist

[candid flint]

i have been running this

[zealous ravine]

tfw crowbar doesnt have can opener by default

somehow has thrust by default though???

[candid flint]

i use can opener because it can proc on bosses, whereas oppurtunist does not easily proc on them

[bronze glade]

let's be real the cbar is dogshit against bosses regardless

[tranquil fjord]

take a swing isnt as good?

[zealous ravine]

if you push a lot its probably good

though the weakspot dmg isnt that crazy so its probably only like 20% more dmg? dunno the math exactly

[tranquil fjord]

man obese whale really should know that latch attacks are shit

[zenith pagoda]

Animations in any combat game are really annoying

Immersive but annoying

The forest is probably the worst

Trynna light a fire and a cannibal jumps on my ahh

[upbeat gyro]

If you had to recommend one build/youtube vid for Hivescum, what would it be?

[woeful hill]

me

[trim wind]

https://tenor.com/view/bobby-hill-bicycle-riding-cowboys-cowboy-gif-1022948746026166453

[woeful hill]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/G1hHQ6oWAAAiPl8.gif

[upbeat gyro]

Pls post you

[woeful hill]

https://www.youtube.com/@AinzDT

got 3 scum videos

[upbeat gyro]

Thanks, will check

[woeful hill]

double barrel despo, shiv rampage true solo, Dclaw havoc

[mighty belfry]

Double barrel desp is so dum

[zealous ravine]

actually triple barrel

[astral canyon]

shampage

douberado

[mighty belfry]

Finessemaxx shampage is funny.

With sweet spot, the weakspot damage is goofy

[pallid quail]

even with those it still sucks

[low harbor]

yea but thrust is mid

would be good if it was execution or headtaker by default

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[charred bronze]

Recent experiences suggest that the crowbar is pretty useful as a debuff stick on a desperado build. Pop in, do a couple can-opener light swings and dodge cancel the 'stick' each time. Back off and burn down at range, if they're even still alive; squad tends to kill them fast once the brittleness is applied. Great for those little 1-3 crusher spawns. Save zook for big packs

[zealous ravine]

yea

idk why it gets thrust

maybe fatshark is doing a little trolling

[mighty belfry]

Now that I'm thinking about it

Finessemaxx heavy sword rampage....

I must try this.

I know that cdr stimm is usually the play with rampage

but that's boring.

[candid flint]

good idea

[pine shell]

Is it not the play with Despo?

I hate waiting for it to come off CD lol

[candid flint]

i feel it when im not rampaging

i dont really feel it when im not despo'ing

[pine shell]

Fair enough

[candid flint]

so, i just run attack speed/reload speed

[main trellis]

i never used cdr for stimm; better to get att spd tree to get stun immunity & str with rending for basically mini ability/giga ability enchancer

[worn yoke]

it 100% can be

[mighty belfry]

It can be but desperado doesn't have that big debuff and also, desperado itself doesn't gigabuff your damage output like rampage does.

[pine shell]

Ranged damage immunity tho

[mighty belfry]

True but my point is that it isn't as punishing to be on cooldown for desperado as it is for rampage.

So while it helps to have CDR, its more of a pick your poison deal

[pine shell]

It is if you're trash and get caught out by gunners and don't have desperado on

[mighty belfry]

While for rampage, there is definitely a reason to consider CDR strongly.

[trim wind]

vulture's dodge

[pine shell]

Isn't that just for melee

[mighty belfry]

...

You may want to read Vulture's Dodge again.

[pine shell]

Guess I can't read

[mighty belfry]

So yeah. Naturally if you run desperado, you're running that too.

Meaning you're still mitigating a lot of damage unless you're running a really slow firing weapon.

[ripe seal]

i guess running a CDR only stim means th at you can be alot more free with it compared with any other stim, but using it when your ability is off cooldown rather than its active to make it stronger just feels very counter intutive to me

[rotund lantern]

sorry for disrupting your conversations, I was curious if anyone could advise me on what perks are worth taking with the bonesaw?

[pine shell]

Damn double barrel keeps eating shit lol

[ripe seal]

but I also spend alot of my time either forgetting the stim or saving it

[pine shell]

I literally just use it whenever Despo ends

[mighty belfry]

Don't take what I'm saying here as a sign not to use DB with desperado

It is extremely powerful in its own right.

[ripe seal]

i could maybe try that but that also feels like something I'd build around, especially in a build that doesn't get to actively reduce the cooldown with collector

[pine shell]

I really wanna like DB but I've always felt like it's just bad (or I suck with it)

With any class that is

[mighty belfry]

The two classes that can utilize dB the best are vet and hive scum

[pine shell]

Like the juice isn't worth the squeeze

[ripe seal]

i feel the same, you might be able to get some cool 1 shot kill potential on someone like Veteran but that's just way too inconsistent

[pine shell]

You have 2 bullets in the chamber, which is a big limitation, and the reward just isn't worth it

It needs to do like twice the damage it does for it to be worth, I feel

[mighty belfry]

Three with hive scum

And vet.

[pine shell]

I guess that helps

[mighty belfry]

You literally do not have to reload with its applicable build.

[ripe seal]

even with a build that maxes out all reload speed for spam a miss just felt too painful for how long it takes between shots

[pine shell]

huh

Ammo Funnel in Darktide? Lol

[mighty belfry]

You just have to get a single melee kill and you get a shell back with weapon specialist.

[ripe seal]

I guess arbite can maybe make use out of it with their stance thing to reload on kill on stance

[mighty belfry]

DB weapon specialist is genuinely very powerful.

[pine shell]

Fair enough

[mighty belfry]

It is the build I've had most success with in h40.

[pine shell]

Lowkey kinda dumb a weapon's balance hinges on a single ability. Can't buff it because it'd be broken on Vet

[ripe seal]

true but I also value the melee part of weapon spec a million times more than the ranged part and I feel like the double barrel in general doesn't have a good enough ammo economy, especially if you're makiung use of the free reload

[pine shell]

Anyway how do you build it on scum?

[mighty belfry]

You get back a shell for every single time surv procs.

[ripe seal]

same thing with arbite's version of weap spec

i like move speed on my spec build thou

[mighty belfry]

It is by far one of the most ammo efficient weapons vet has from my experience.

[mighty belfry]

Oh welp.

[mighty belfry]

The main things you want for a dB build

Are the extra shell and sticky hands for the spread decrease

Flak + Maniac
Manstopper + Scattershot.

Because infinite cleave is stupid.

[drifting heron]

It absolutely has good economy, I can spam it relentlessly and not take more than a few boxes a mission

[mighty belfry]

Tbf it doesn't if you don't have surv

[drifting heron]

1 shell of 60 wipes a cone in front of you

[mighty belfry]

But then again

[drifting heron]

I ran it without surv for ages

[pine shell]

OK I'll give it a shot

[mighty belfry]

That kinda applies to any other weapon really lmao

[pine shell]

Economy isn't a thing on Scum though? Pickpocket life

[mighty belfry]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a08eaf88-054e-4679-aa8a-3a67fad25ffa/this-is-dumb

Admittedly, I'd build this differently nowadays.

[ripe seal]

my main thing is the heavier las pistol, a single crit from it is enough to 1 shot a piece of trash which means I can quickly swap back to melee for the move and attack speed

[mighty belfry]

But when I was running this, it was pulling weight in high havoc even.

[tranquil fjord]

putting pickpocket on all of my builds as though fatshark wont rework the talent tree in a month

[drifting heron]

A single crit from dbarrel is enough to 1 shot a conga line of shotgunners

[pine shell]

Still Stimm Supply?
Ngl I'm loving the Despo life rn. Haven't tried the other actives yet (I started levelling my scum this week)

[ripe seal]

but that's what my power sword or t axe is for

[mighty belfry]

You can run either or.

Use that as a basis but change it if you feel so.

[astral canyon]

what would you change now

[mighty belfry]

Wouldn't run coated weaponry or jittery to get speedload and hypercrit

Since hypercrit is actually quite nice for bomesaw since it has a crit bonus stat.

Jittery is.

Nice to have.

But its not necessary by any means for a build like this imho

This was something I made when I was first starting to really get the class.

[upbeat gyro]

Brought my baby Hivescum to Heresy at lvl 12 when it unlocked, thought i was underleveled, but lvl 1 there 👀 🤷‍♂️

[mighty belfry]

You could also run shivs instead for better movement and single target and take off battering instead.

[upbeat gyro]

He didnt even know what direction to go in maps

[mighty belfry]

Someone brought them there.

[fast wind]

probably a tagalong with a strike team

bring your lvl 1 to work day

[upbeat gyro]

Yet i was left babysitting him 👶

[verbal dew]

man, desperado db is v fun

[pine shell]

Why no Calling For A Time Out? You are literally reloading contantly no?

And Quick And Deadly not necessary?

[mighty belfry]

Eh. You could use it but I've never really felt the need for it.

And quick and deadly is overrated.

Successful dodges aren't as consistent as you'd think.

[pine shell]

Fair enough

So why take Float Like A Buttefly?

[mighty belfry]

Because the crit chance is actually way more valuable for this build than the close damage

And. You can proc it off perfect blocks

Which does actually matter.

[lapis raft]

whats up with recoil on db completely bugging out

[candid flint]

feature

[woeful hill]

Do you have the recoil reduction talent and stim?

If you have too much recoil reduction it reverses iirc

And adds recoil

[lapis raft]

ah, fun

[clever fjord]

so does dropping the crate with the stimm on cooldown apply it or not?

I read the ability as stating that it shouldn't but it does apply the passives

[lilac schooner]

tes

[brittle sierra]

Yes if you step out and into the crate again

[charred oriole]

Does stub revolver work good w hive scum

[candid flint]

it works good on every class

[charred oriole]

Do you use the normal one or the fanfire one

[bronze glade]

the normal oen is better

the cowboy one is a meme

[tulip ivy]

I dont doubt your words, i am rather new to different weapon types and marks. I'd like to know, what makes the cowboy one a meme in comparison to the normal one?

[solar phoenix]

surgical + handcannon.

an absolute carapace destroying machine

[brittle sierra]

You one shot everything

[rough peak]

It's true, the smyker was killed in 1 shot

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1290821541277208638/1291174300002418688/attachment.gif

[tulip ivy]

Yeah that makes sense with surgical and handcannon. Thanks! 😂

[brittle sierra]

I don't like surgical

If I'm using WS

It will have 100% crit chance anyways when I pull it out

[tulip ivy]

Im not a huge fan of the revolver in general, i use needle pistol and run away like a pussy giggling

[brittle sierra]

Oh wait I thought this was vet chat

Revolver is extremely strong on Vet

But I don't think I use any other class with it

[tulip ivy]

I havent played vet enough or this game in general to know why 😅

[brittle sierra]

Because you never need to reload it

[tranquil fjord]

the cowboy one is fun but for less accuracy and rapid fire, it doesnt do a lot of dps yet requires usually one or two shots of its already small round count to kill certain enemies

[tulip ivy]

My complaint with the regular one was the reload times, never used the revolver past heresy

[tranquil fjord]

i think this class could make the cowboy revolver decent but i dont have a good revolver roll to see right now

[tulip ivy]

Yeah its a ton of fun but you are right, had to shower anything more then a trash mob in multiple bullets. But never really invested into one with a ranged build, not too keen anyways

[tranquil fjord]

if you want to see more rapid fire use out of the weapon and less reloading, you must give up a damage talent

so its much harder to get those breakpoints against enemies

also, it doesnt shoot as much as an automatic

so it can be harder to keep desperado up

[tulip ivy]

Lots of downtime I imagine having to constantly reload

[tranquil fjord]

all of these things combined just make it a little disappointing

[tulip ivy]

It was fun to use on malice, but thats malice lol

[novel oracle]

The notable thing about the fan revolver is that it has a shockingly high unyielding adm

So fanning the hammer into a boss does impressive amounts of damage

O reapers or bulwarks

[tulip ivy]

But, indeed the cowboy one seems disappointing if the other mark can melt/instakill pretty much anything

[novel oracle]

I use the fan revolver on zealot when im running shock maul

The maul sucks dick at unyielding so that covers that basr

And can deal with carapace in a pinch if I really need it

[mighty belfry]

Fan revolver is a boss killer.

[novel oracle]

Proccing duellist on zealot then fanning into a plague ogryns head is so much fun

[tranquil fjord]

should i take quick and deadly and sticky hands on the revolver?

[mighty belfry]

Fan revolver is a boss killer.

Honestly scum makes it work too.

[clever fjord]

yeah just checked

something is broken because standing on it does give you stacks vbut not effects

[bronze glade]

it's bugged

[clever fjord]

and going in and out does not give you stacks but does give you effects

Do you know if that bug also happens for teammates?

[winter tusk]

Agripinaa revolver is one of the most fun guns for gunpsyker imo

Scriers gaze is nasty with it

Ofc scriers makes everything viable

[bronze glade]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-gif-15058124

[tranquil fjord]

does the crowbar benefit from crit

at all

[novel oracle]

10 billion more buffs to scriers

[tranquil fjord]

is there something im missing about the weapon

its just ehhhh

[bronze glade]

yes but the finesse is kinda mid

[mighty belfry]

Crowbar could be better honestly

[livid raven]

to say the least

[novel oracle]

Honestly
I think we should nerf desperado and rampage
Move that power into the keystones
Change the keystones to be less binary for melee/ranged
THEN tweak the weapons

[bronze glade]

leave rampage alone smh

[livid raven]

that would be fine

[bronze glade]

desperado can get fucked

[novel oracle]

You're nerfing the abilities but youre buffing the keystones roughly equally
Then making it to where theyre more applicable to more things rather than "this is the ranged keystone, this is the melee keystone"

Which means that youre in less of a "giga strong oh my ability ended im super weak till its back up" feeling

And you have less build restrictions, like how if you go desperado vultures you suck poopoo at melee cuz all that power is in rampage and adrenaline

And after that happens, the weapons can be tweaked to meet the tree where its at

[eager reef]

i think desperado is boring

[bronze glade]

looking at the base stats of shiv vs. cbar

yeah pretty obvious why cbar is dogshit

[eager reef]

i've said it before, it's an ogryn weapon with none of the pwoer of an ogryn weapon

so it ends up being heavy, clunky and hitting like a pool noodle

[novel oracle]

I mean are you just looking at the damage of the blunt mode that was intended to be more cc/cleavy than damage

[bronze glade]

looking at the non-special attacks

[novel oracle]

The beak mode was intended to be the inverse of that

[bronze glade]

because the ST i think is more or less fine

[novel oracle]

Well yeah youre comparing a lower damage higher cleave/stagger mode to a weapon with high first target damage

Dont get me wrong crowbar needs a pass but thats like saying shock maul sweep attacks are terrible cuz the damage it says theyre doing is way lower than a force great sword stab

Theyre completely different attacks for different things

[livid raven]

is the supposed cc/cleavy blunt mode actually that cleavy

i remember the crowbar having rather bad cleave

[novel oracle]

I think its pretty fine where it is

[eager reef]

i just want it to feel like a crowbar. ever hold a crowbar? heavy as shit and will absolutely brain someone you hit them across the face

[novel oracle]

Its still a blunt weapon which arent the cleaviest of weapons by nature

Plus scum can get tons and tons of cleave

[bronze glade]

yeah ik, doesn't change the fact that cbar still sucks ass

i know it's not a 1:1 comparison

[mighty belfry]

Okay it doesn't suck ass

It's very much usable.

It could be better though. It's not terrible but I wouldn't call it good either.

It's just. Kinda mid.

[ripe fjord]

become the worst of the worst

A surprisingly apt tagline

With those dual stub pistols

[low harbor]

I just want the beak heavy atks’ pull animation to be faster

[mighty belfry]

Thats my main gripe entirely. The blunt side is fine for what it is IMHO but the beak side is too punishing right now for what it does

[novel oracle]

Iirc they are currently the fastest they can be

[candid flare]

As I've said before, with any attack speed buff at all the beak attack become unproblematic

[mighty belfry]

It really doesn't. The animation still sticks you in place for a period of time. It's not the actual attack speed that's the issue.

A split second in this game can mean life or death.

[candid flare]

No the animation itself is faster

[low harbor]

How come this is the fastest it gets

[candid flare]

It's the only melee I use on scum

[mighty belfry]

It's faster but the core issue still exists.

You're still stuck in place.

And what you get out of that risk, doesn't line up.

[novel oracle]

Animations

[mighty belfry]

Like the eviscerator. Does the same thing. But the Rev attack actually does some crazy damage.

[novel oracle]

Saw and crowbar rip animations are unaffected by attack speed

[mighty belfry]

Beak attacks on crowbar feel really lacking for the risk you take to commit to them.

[novel oracle]

They also only stagger on the rip, not the hit

For god knows what reason

[compact oyster]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1451299016016007290/togif.gif

[low harbor]

But it’s clearly not the fastest
Light beak attacks’ rip come out much faster than heavy beak attacks’ rip

Light beak attacks don’t rly need changes imo

Just the heavy needs to be faster

[bitter harbor]

Who can put me onto a strong build

[unique spire]

I am giving you an unfun build

[mighty belfry]

I think light beaks could do with some more damage.

Not too much.

Honestly I just feel beak mode didn't have to be a sticky sort of attack in general

[near mauve]

holyfuck the bazooka just turns rolling steel into an even bigger joke

just kills everything in the room

[zealous ravine]

i remember when rolling steel required locking in

[unique spire]

That's because everyone was braindead

Didn't knew how to roll and steel

[zealous ravine]

hold w on keybo

[unique spire]

No

[junior dune]

rock and stone?

[unique spire]

No

[junior dune]

[compact oyster]

Rocket launcher buffed so hard people started wanting frag bomb buffs

[granite herald]

a little clutch https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/lQfcf7b3bvTvyMw0K?invite=cr-MSxCWWYsMTY4Mjc4NDgw&v=408

[novel oracle]

But the animations are different

[zealous ravine]

crowbar is cursed? 😨

[astral canyon]

hive sclutch

[granite herald]

also just auric maelstrom

no biggie

the commentary is funny tho

[astral canyon]

i do hope ogryn and zealot's blitzes get some buffs tbh

[quiet zodiac]

Is crowbar not great or am I missing something

[astral canyon]

its alright-ish

[zealous ravine]

its one of the weapons of all time

[astral canyon]

the only other class that has blitzes anywhere near competitive with scum imo is vet and thats considering how they have basically infinite blitz charges with all 3 options

[low harbor]

Yea so why can’t the heavy atk animation be sped up or trimmed

[zealous ravine]

that'd take a month somehow

[novel oracle]

I dont know
All I know is that the animations are the reason why the attack cant be sped up

[near mauve]

it does feel like trolling to pick up nades as ogryn now if there's a bazooka on the team

4 bazookas are way better

[low harbor]

That’s unfortunate
If it can’t be sped up then it prob should do more damage baseline to compensate

[zealous ravine]

damage is awesome i like damage

[novel oracle]

Its just a fucked situation to be in cuz like half of their damage output comes from their attack speed

[zealous ravine]

crowbar gets a buff that turns AS to DMG for latch attacks

[astral canyon]

they should commit to the bit and make the frag bomb straight up kill everything inside its radius if its going to continue as a single charge

[novel oracle]

You buff its raw damage and now the rip is very close in damage between two people who have wildly different attack speeds

So you get way more value than you should from no melee investment, and not nearly enough from lots of melee investment

Like buffing the rip damage to compensate only adds another balancing issue

[zealous ravine]

i dont even get why crowbar has thrust what is up with this weapon

[dim moth]

only bonesaw does this actually

crowbar is stagger on hit and rip

bonesaw is just a BITCH

[hardy canyon]

I cant remember, what are the blessings for syringe pistol again?

[astral canyon]

probably some sort of experimental thing fatshark is trying out to see if it works

[zealous ravine]

maybe?

[novel oracle]

I recall Tyr complaining about why it sucks to fight ragers with beak crowbar and he had a clip of a 1v1 rager where a heavy attack rip caused him to take 2 hits before the stagger cuz it was on the rip only

[zealous ravine]

i mean they did experiment with the dodge linger

[bronze glade]

i don't think a weapon that has 1/3rd of the horde clear speed compared to rashad is mid in any sense of the word

it's just trash

[novel oracle]

You're comparing it to brutal momentum

Not rashad

[bronze glade]

end result is the same

[limber cradle]

...give crowbar BM?

[novel oracle]

And brutal momentum is massively unbalanced

[bronze glade]

and it's also rashad

like taxe has brumentum

[zealous ravine]

built in thrust replaced with BM

[bronze glade]

but rashad beats it in sheer damage output

[novel oracle]

Tac axe and heavy sword has better clear speed with bm due to their attack speed and innate cleave

Rashad only has bm

[bronze glade]

rashad def has better horde clear speed than taxe

idk about hsword

might be a close one

[novel oracle]

It does not

[bronze glade]

it does once you account for bruisers

[hardy canyon]

nvm, I remembered the blessings

[novel oracle]

2x the swing speed and still hitting the one shots on every non elite

[hardy canyon]

still dont remember the perks

[zealous ravine]

do bruisers matter now or something

[novel oracle]

Heavy sword is the best out of all of them

ESPECIALLY on scum

[hardy canyon]

anyways, the 1 thing crowbars actually need
mod that replaced the sounds with half life sounds

[zealous ravine]

i wonder if that exists

1s

[bronze glade]

they're only the tankiest and most dangerous horde enemy

[novel oracle]

You can be killing 8‐10+ enemies per light attack on hsword cuz of db and hv

[bronze glade]

while being very common

[hardy canyon]

it doesnt from what I can tell saddly

[zealous ravine]

yeah i dont think it does yet

[hardy canyon]

yah

I pray, that one day
someone good at modding makes it

[novel oracle]

Like again idk what to tell you
You are comparing mid weapon to the most broken things in the game for that role and saying it performs worse so its trash

[hardy canyon]

anyways, I like stuffing coke into my bullets
what about yall?

[bronze glade]

not what i'm saying at all?

i know most weapons will perform worse than rashad

it's the degree to which it performs worse

that makes me think the weapon's shit

[zealous ravine]

i forget rashad exists usually

[haughty trout]

Crowbar makes me sad. It's alright at pushing horde around (like shock mace), but the beak hits max brittle real fast, so it feels nice on certain specific enemies. But with any amount of investment, I could just bring a better weapon since toxin doesn't need brittle to melt things.

[bronze glade]

i expect weapons to be worse than rashad

so my criteria for a shit weapon obviously isn't just solely that "this weapon is worse than rashad"

[zealous ravine]

crowbar feels nice then i switch to special and its OVER

just instantly over

[bronze glade]

it's "this weapon is so much worse than rashad holy shit what the fuck is this"

[zealous ravine]

feels so low dmg and so unsafe i gotta use blackouts

shivs can just kinda do more dmg while being safe

[tropic crag]

its honestly the kind of brain rot that is in most talks about any balance in any game lol

[zealous ravine]

while also giving me carpal tunnel because its shivs

[bronze glade]

yeah and not applicable here

[haughty trout]

I did like that the beak could chain stagger a crusher with no interaction, but then in havocs, they could just have final toll or there could just be like 6 of them, lol.

[bronze glade]

oh yes you staggered the crusher

[low harbor]

Not really true, Rashad is faster

[bronze glade]

what about the 8 of his friends

[haughty trout]

(I covered that)

[bronze glade]

i will always hate latch on weapons outside of shovel mk3

and only because shovel mk3's latch is so fast that it can be barely called a latch

[tropic crag]

no tool is in a vacuum, realistically 7 to 8 of those friends will be getting some sort of blitz thrown there way and possibly the damage of up to 3 of your friends... so latch weapons become pretty good at targeted strikes in realistic situations because you often only have a few more to deal with as long as you've been using most of your tools

[mighty belfry]

Okay to be fair that is genuinely an unfair comparison lmao

[bronze glade]

the important part is that non-latching weapons don't force you to stand in place

[low harbor]

The only time heavy sword had faster clear than Rashad was like

[bronze glade]

it's not but ok

[mighty belfry]

Come on we know Rashad with BM is just kind of in a world of its own.

[bronze glade]

if weapon has half the horde clear speed of rashad

[low harbor]

Perfect strike + deathblow + scattershot (bugged)

[bronze glade]

it's kinda eh

mid

but a third?

that's yikes

that's really fucking slow

[mighty belfry]

Because without that, Rashad's clear is pure, unfettered ass.

[bronze glade]

like i said above

[tropic crag]

neither does any latched weapons i've used and i've recently been using alot, most of them still give partial benefits if you dodge out early, if you learn the animations and where the ticks and stuff happen you can make informed choices on the time you spend invested there

[bronze glade]

i'm not expecting a weapon to be anywhere near rashad in terms of damage output

[low harbor]

It is a pretty unfair comparison

[mighty belfry]

But the thing is it's not Rashad itself you're comparing it to.

[tropic crag]

and most give the cc early so if you dodge cancel you can cc juggle very safely

[bronze glade]

can nobody in this chat fucking read

[zealous ravine]

im a darktide player i cant read

[mighty belfry]

Rashad's clear without BM is horrible though.

That really isn't a valid comparison.

[zealous ravine]

also i dont even know what to feel about rashad it just feels like one of the weapons that exist

[bronze glade]

or instead of trying to do calculus over when to latch and when not to, and just use a normal weapon

[novel oracle]

Hence why the argument isnt against Rashad
Its against bm

[mighty belfry]

It's that one specific blessing that makes Rashad's clear so potent.

[bronze glade]

i really don't give a shit

it's just a metric

[tropic crag]

bro i'm an actual idiot, if you can't judge timings at least as well as me and are calling it calc when i'm just vibe checking things idk what to tell you i am bonk brain man

[low harbor]

Comparing vs the absolute best is not rly fair tbh, it is around 2x the avg

[novel oracle]

Which we're still talking about hive scum
So +cleave, +strength, and hyper violence is on the table
And those do way more for other weapons, such as taxe and heavy sword

[mighty belfry]

It's a completely chalked metric.

I'm sorry to say.

[bronze glade]

if you actually read, you would've seen that i addressed it above

[mighty belfry]

Rashad's clear is actually horrid without that one blessing.

[novel oracle]

Like literally killing 10 enemies per light attack on heavy sword cuz of raw cleave and overkill damage with BM kickstarting kt

[zealous ravine]

i love mandatory blessings so awesome

[novel oracle]

Doing that like twice as fast as rashad too

[bronze glade]

latch on weapons feel like shit. can i make them work? yes. do i want to? no. why the fuck would i?

[tropic crag]

which is kind of the best part of the scum tbh, its giving me a reason to use just so many weapons i never touched much

[zealous ravine]

the shivs do way more dmg than the latch attacks anyways

[tropic crag]

because they are fun when you find the timing dance within the chaos tbh... if not to struggle and limit test why play game about struggling?

[mighty belfry]

See like

This makes me kinda mad at how mid crowbar is honestly

[bronze glade]

turns out, people find different things fun!!

[zealous ravine]

idk why we're talking about rashad like the shivs are right there

[tropic crag]

dog bit the shit out of my hand, i can't click that fast for more than one match, latch weapons get more dps out of me if you take into account more than one game

[limber cradle]

Love me shivs

[low harbor]

Unfortunately Rashad kinda just mogs every other hvs melee

[zealous ravine]

ok ok shivs are best OTHER than the permanent wrist damage they give

[low harbor]

Like tac axe gets pretty close

But they’re prob 3rd

[bronze glade]

just use an auto attack mod

[zealous ravine]

unfortunately im apparently allergic to rashad

[low harbor]

Yea don’t blame u

[bronze glade]

not that hard

[zealous ravine]

it just doesnt feel good

[bronze glade]

unless you're on console

[mighty belfry]

Rashad is the best.

I just find it mindnumblingly boring to use.

[bronze glade]

in which case too bad

[limber cradle]

I also refuse to use rashad fwiw

[tropic crag]

if you think that then why are you saying "why the fuck would i use latch weapons"

[low harbor]

Playing a lot of psyker does irreversible damage to someone

[quiet zodiac]

so Heavy Sword is the one to go with for melee Scum?

[mighty belfry]

It is so one note for a melee weapon.

[limber cradle]

Things more boring than DS

Somehow

[bronze glade]

i don't find latch weapons fun, therefore why the fuck would i use latch weapons?

[zealous ravine]

i've tried that hecking axe since the first month of this game

its never felt good

[low harbor]

It’s pretty good, tho u will need the rending node for rampage

[bronze glade]

i don't care that you find them fun

it's irrelevant to me

[low harbor]

Sprint cancel is the secret sauce

[tropic crag]

thats actually why i dislike all 1 handed axes in tide games, they just... aren't fun

[zealous ravine]

oh definitely

[mighty belfry]

Heavy sword rampage is so unbelievably fun.

[tropic crag]

they are pretty much always great

[quiet zodiac]

can someone point me in the direction for a Heavy Sword Rampage build?

[zealous ravine]

im hoping when they drop the 2 handed chaxe in 2029 its awesome

and not like the eviscerator

[quiet zodiac]

trying to clean up my 3 Scum builds

[tropic crag]

lol just say that instead of going through all the arguments to call them bad you'll get less dummies like me responding

[bronze glade]

oh my position on that has not changed

cbar is bad

and latch weapons are bad

i only brought up my personal preference

because you brought up skill issues

actually i'm ok with chaxe and shovel mk3

[zealous ravine]

even with the enemy paused it still feels bad

[bronze glade]

so i don't hate all latch weapons

[tropic crag]

i never said anything about skill issues, i just said that what you were saying was ill-informed and saying what is actually possible. No latch weapons roots you in place, not a single one, and not a single one has a binary latch. I wasn't auguing skill but the actual reality of the universe we live in lol

a binary latch meaning 0 value unless it totally completes

[novel oracle]

Ive got one in the pins

[bronze glade]

and once again, my point is that you could also just use a weapon that doesn't latch

and is just as effective

without all the shitty downsides of latching

[zealous ravine]

the shivs do be there

[bronze glade]

shivs, knife, rashad, fucking hsword on HIV

[tropic crag]

i wasn't talking about the effectiveness or skill or how good or bad it was, i was simply correcting the lie i saw before me and wasn't really engaging with the opinion

[bronze glade]

what lie

i mean yes you can dodge out of it

but then you're not latching are you?

and in fact

[tropic crag]

that latch weapons somehow root you in place, they don't, you can always move out of them and you always get value even if you dodge cancel

[bronze glade]

you just wasted a bunch of stam

on this stupid fucking manuever

[tropic crag]

you still get part of the effect

[zealous ravine]

yeaaa but losing half ur attack feels saaad

[bronze glade]

only to do a fraction of the damage you could've otherwise done

[tropic crag]

do you think dodging runs off stam?

[bronze glade]

except you lose a huge portion of the damage

[bronze glade]

removing latch costs stam last time i checked

unless they changed that

[tropic crag]

no you don't... because you would have eaten an overhead, you gain damage by dodging the overhead silly billy

[flat lotus]

i use shivs on desperado but rashad and chainaxe go hard on rampage

[novel oracle]

The game punishing you for avoiding damage is dumb

[tropic crag]

if you eat the overhead you get the strongest CC in the game, death

[bronze glade]

in the time you charge, latch and unlatch, you prob could've killed the guy already

instead of doing a stupid dance for all your teammates to see

[flat lotus]

heavy sword probably does as well but i've not played rampage with that yet

[tropic crag]

yeah you aren't latching over and over on any weapon....

[gaunt onyx]

gonna use the quick draw for the funny

[flat lotus]

I think crowbar sucks lol

[tropic crag]

like if 12 crushers are in front of you odds are you're only latching onto 1 with any latch weapon that isn't a crowbar or bonesaw

[zealous ravine]

move some of the scriers buffs over to crwobar

[quiet zodiac]

what's the dumpstat for the heavy sword?

[flat lotus]

look at my name

[zealous ravine]

look at that name

[bronze glade]

defense?]

[tropic crag]

defense or moblity depending on the mark (some marks don't have mobility but defense is in the same slot)

[flat lotus]

The Dump Stat Is Mobility
-# (except those few times where its not)

[low harbor]

Defences

[novel oracle]

Either cleave targets or defences
Cleave targets is kinda minor since deathblow carried its killing power, but theres now something to be said with all the cleave and strength buffs melee scum gets to help hyper violence shine

And defenses is dodge distance and stuff and nimble exists so

[tropic crag]

and honestly the dodge distance change isn't enough to fret over

like its there and def a thing but not really a huge issue

[low harbor]

It’s like 2%

Makes almost no difference

Push/block cost is affected but pretty minor as well

[mighty belfry]

I dump defenses because your dodge distance still gets buffed to all hell with Nimble

[limber cradle]

Hey that 2 percent means I can ledge myself even easier

[mighty belfry]

I did that yesterday at the start of a vigil station h40

[quiet zodiac]

okay, got a godroll

thanks guys!

[mighty belfry]

It was.

Awkward

[limber cradle]

Lmfao

I do it occasionally on no mans land

The building bridges

[mighty belfry]

Dude having nimble on that map is truly a double edged sword.

[gaunt onyx]

ima try that out

[limber cradle]

I agree but I'm never not using it

[mighty belfry]

I very much recommend it.

[zealous ravine]

heavy sword player experiences carapace damage for the first time (heartwarming)

[gaunt onyx]

i just took my meds, so this is going to be interesting

[mighty belfry]

Rampage basically forces hs to be decent at carapace.

[gaunt onyx]

ima use the quickdraw

[mighty belfry]

Oh that being said regarding said h40

Finessemaxxed shivs with rampage

The damage. THE DAMAGE.

[spark leaf]

What kinda blessing are we talking about here o_O

[mighty belfry]

I was running Executor/Uncanny.

[gaunt onyx]

i havent done a h40 yet

[latent belfry]

Shivs are fucking stupid

[gaunt onyx]

waiting till my get my schedule to try it

[mighty belfry]

Sweet spot + full finesse stim

= goofy goober weakspot damage.

[latent belfry]

It's ridiculous

[mighty belfry]

I once said I didn't think executor was good for shivs and I've just been eating my own words ever since.

Strength x strength calculations results in some absurd numbers.

Rotten armor crushers be damned.

[gaunt onyx]

@mighty belfry yo which of the bottom trees should i go for

left center right

[mighty belfry]

For hs?

[gaunt onyx]

yuh

[mighty belfry]

I'd go adrenaline tbh

[gaunt onyx]

im using rampage for mid, so sounds good

[mighty belfry]

That's what i run

Smiter and erm

The one that regens toughness.

[gaunt onyx]

ighty

wait does adreline smiter remove crit stacking for adrenline?

[mighty belfry]

No. Crits still count.

But admittedly hs is only crit adjacent at best. It's not something I really focus on with hs

Otherwise I'd pick dependency.

[gaunt onyx]

ah never used it except one so >:3 this gonna be goofy

yes im bringing it to a maelstorm

and yes good luck everyone else

ive got my driving juice

[mighty belfry]

I guarantee you, you'll be fine.

[gaunt onyx]

peak

(gets brutally ripped apart by rager)

ight see ya in like 30 mins

[tropic crag]

that looks fine, the only things i'd change would be preference and would probably make it worse instead of better

[gaunt onyx]

its fine lol, i use a wound curio and people think im satan for it lol, funny is good

ALSO HOLY SHIT HEAVY SWORD IS SO GOOOOODDDDDD WTF

[tropic crag]

heavy sword is great on scum, lol every melee weapon is overly good on scum tbh

[gaunt onyx]

i also use weapon speed stim

[tropic crag]

i feel like wound curio are a bit of a low value gain for the use of the slot but i don' t care if people run them... usually if i die its because i didn't get picked up in time or did something really dumb the wounds wouldn't have helped... but if someone is finding they live more with more than 2 wounds then whatever man

[mighty belfry]

I think wounds are overall worse to use

But just having one isn't a big deal.

[hardy canyon]

also what do yall use for the perks on dual auto pistols?

[mighty belfry]

Now. If you have three and you're not a Marty zealot though.

Um.

That's uh.

That's a brooding sign of things to come.

[quiet zodiac]

for heavy sword what traits should I go for?

not blessings I have those

[mighty belfry]

I use flak, carapace tbh

This is the one class where carapace makes sense to use on heavy sword.

Since you do so much damage to everything else that you might as well help the thing it's not that good against.

[quiet zodiac]

fair enough, I assume maniacs aren't an issue

[mighty belfry]

Combined with heavy rending node on Rampage, damage is not half bad at all.

[quiet zodiac]

Ragers, Muties etc

[mighty belfry]

They're really not.

[quiet zodiac]

Much appreciated!

Man this discord has been great, people are really helpful

[mighty belfry]

You get so much melee strength from rampage.

Also. For carapace killing. If there's trash to kill around them, do that.

[quiet zodiac]

I'm actually excited to test this out, I've been looking for a good HS build forever

[mighty belfry]

Because hyperviolence gives you a flat damage bonus based on that overkill

[quiet zodiac]

ohh makes sense

[mighty belfry]

And overkilling the shit out of a poxwalker will make you do a lot of damage to them.

Heavy sword rampage has a dance to it. It really rewards target prioritization.

[tropic crag]

honestly even if you don't proc HV very well you still end up doing work with the mountain of other bonuses the class has... but yeah when HV really kicks in its super funny

[gaunt onyx]

yuh

[bronze glade]

i don't say anything when i see someone with wounds

but when i expect to spend all game picking them off the floor

[gilded acorn]

guys i'm so lonely...

[zealous ravine]

500 genestealers right outside

[prime violet]

make some friends

[quiet zodiac]

what marks do people recommend for the Heavy Sword on Scum?

[plucky nymph]

final toll rotted, and one of them complained the whole time saying "why didnt u ping, why dont u do this y dont u do that" wtf

[woeful hill]

scumming it

[plucky nymph]

scum moment 9000

[woeful hill]

new thumbnail dropped

[plucky nymph]

PEAK

[low harbor]

Hour long game with 26 deaths is crazy

[plucky nymph]

he died 16-20x and backseat everyone

[low harbor]

Which one was it

The vet?

[plucky nymph]

yea xD

[woeful hill]

that was almost as long as my arby solo

it was hour 20 min

[plucky nymph]

right lmfao

[quiet zodiac]

jesus christ that's horrid

[bronze glade]

actual CBT

[plucky nymph]

finale had those comical 3892483290482309 rotted conga line, and i said dont take nade plz

he has 2/3 kraks and takes nade

then dies xd

[mighty belfry]

omg they're scumming it 😩

[mighty belfry]

how do you manage to top yourself over and over on how increasingly unhinged these get

i love this so much

[woeful hill]

I love the burster

I almost got jumpscared when I copied and pasted

it got like 10x bigger then the og pic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbTnOuxoHqk

but here is the run

[plucky nymph]

i saw the thumbnail and tried to push irl

i never not use rok on ogryn

nothing is more comical than spamming a spawn/pogryn except throwing rocks at dogs (ingame) and muties and u launch a new space program

[woeful hill]

its the throwing knife for ogryn

shrimple as

[zealous ravine]

throwing knife if it was locked in the hyperbolic time chamber

[ashen hamlet]

Guys I finally figured out why we dont have more hivescum shop cosmetics

Fatshark doesn't have any recolors for them so they cant sell em

[mighty belfry]

but ainz, how will this run affect Lebron's legacy?

[woeful hill]

executed at 12 am tomorrow

blood for the blood gods

[mighty belfry]

The Los Angeles Lakers will never be the same again

[zealous ravine]

lebron accused of taking chem dep with max cd stimm

[hardy canyon]

also like, its a stupid idea
but what if vultures mark stacks decayed one at a time?

cause like
rn it feels really niche and hard to actually get value from with how quickly it can go away, espcieally if youre only getting heavily armored enemies

[abstract inlet]

I may be a bad desperado player, but I have to say; agri shotty is SUPER underrated

manstopper makes the damn thing a RAILGUN

it's better then other shottys when you're in a hallway

but significantly worse when you're in the open

[hardy canyon]

also
vultures mark is just kinda boring in terms of its extra nodes
1 is just duration extender
and the other two dont even interact with vultures mark

directly atleast

[bronze glade]

welcome to the cult of the combat shotgun

[hardy canyon]

combat shotgun is fun

I like all the shotguns in this game really

they all feel nice

[unreal stirrup]

how can you be bad at desperado

[hardy canyon]

Main things I find are
bad gun choice for it
bad at staying away from melee, especially while reloading
Over extending
And lack of turning around

And popping it at bad times

Or just
Bad at aiming

I find the last one happens a lot with the dual auto pistols

[abstract inlet]

I'm bad at avoiding melee while reloading

[hardy canyon]

Making sure to use quicker reloads on close range kill?

You could also try vultures push

[abstract inlet]

all the time technically?

[abstract inlet]

That's a crutch with no other benefit, I refuse

[hardy canyon]

It does also depend on which gun youre using

[hardy canyon]

Nah
Its just generally useful
I like it cause it can get things away so I can easily line up a snipe

But also, which gun you running desperado with?

Cause like
If your running something like vigilant autogun or double barrel shotgun
That might be the problem

[main trellis]

also flamers & trappers
but ye; for Hsword since its for HS and Rampage... unironically Unyielding & Carapace - Flak might not be needed due to insane power increase

[main trellis]

Practice more; practice makes perfect
and ye don't use VP; waste of a talent

[main trellis]

its the case of WS for vet
Majority of the times ppl just grab the keystone itself & thats it; Vultures Mark is the same - subnodes don't provide much & are not worth it (unless you go for crits then maybe can use VD but then it does not protect againts overheads so its oof)

I use only the keystone itself & its all you'll ever need if you want to use it

[abstract inlet]

why not dbl? because of the long reload? that's my problem with non agri shottys too

[tropic crag]

honestly playing until dodging becomes almost a tick is what alot of people do, so then you can dodge while doing ANYTHING

[sly hollow]

What's your go to tac axe mk?

[woeful hill]

Mk4 for light spam. Mk7 for general use

[lilac ermine]

Omg nux

[lilac ermine]

Why is my teammates keep leaving when they downed

[zenith fern]

ragequitters

i dont think is hard to know

[lilac ermine]

I thought they crashed

[fast gust]

Right after they fell over?

[lilac ermine]

Yea why would high lvls leave when they are downed

Lvl 250 hive scum

[fast gust]

If anything higher level is a higher chance of inflated ego

[sly hollow]

They might of been having a bad day

There's a million reasons

[lilac ermine]

My team all left again 🙁

[zenith fern]

A high level player having a bad day? Nah

[sly hollow]

Are there any weapons that benefit a lot from "The Sweet Spot"?

[unreal stirrup]

caxe

knife

shiv

[unreal stirrup]

certified auric storm survivor moment

[pulsar aspen]

It is not just those who will leave at first opportunity

[little laurel]

For the Crowbar.... would you guys have Defense, or Mobility as the dump stat?

[sly hollow]

mobility, imo the difference is unnoticeable

[little laurel]

what about dual autos?

Does stopping power actually make a difference?

oops.... thats dmg against things, nvm, what about collateral?

[sly hollow]

Collateral

Stopping power is both stagger and damage

[flat mist]

What's the sprint speed range on the crowbar? [-0.45|0.45]?

Because that's the range on the bonesaw and it absolutely IS noticeable

[astral canyon]

Defense is just stamina costs and hive scum doesnt really have any issues with stamina management

[sly hollow]

The crowbar is the same

[turbid fulcrum]

Guys, desperado build using the blue node on the needler. How bad will it be?

[lavish bronze]

your fingers will hurt

[turbid fulcrum]

Full auto mod?

[lavish bronze]

if u use it

[turbid fulcrum]

I am guessing that the ranged damage buff from the modifier node does not work with the tox dot.

[lavish bronze]

dots get buffs from streght and reding and brittleness iirc

[turbid fulcrum]

Cool! I'll hop into the psykanium in a few minutes to see how bad this will be

I guess the stim keystone is the best

[lavish bronze]

why?

[verbal dew]

the other don't help much ye

[turbid fulcrum]

I mean I could use the melee one to be a bit more of an alrounder

[lavish bronze]

vulture mark can literally make you invincible as long as you are hitting crits

[turbid fulcrum]

Ah I didn't think of that

[verbal dew]

needler is mostly dot tho

[lavish bronze]

yeah

[turbid fulcrum]

damage buffs are wasted unfortunately

[verbal dew]

I would just go stim for the upkeep on desperado

[turbid fulcrum]

maybe they'll make them work with the dot

[tranquil turret]

58% crit chance with IAG + Vulture's dodge is kinda busted XD

[vagrant fiber]

How many playstyles are there

But then it sounds like a silly question

I only know idiots spraying or stab

[tranquil turret]

In all honestly probably just 2, I don't see as much DOT playstyles now

[dire badge]

I mean if I'm running stimpacks for anti corruption, i bring needle gun and infinite ammo perk.

I just melt crushers and don't worry about ammo. It's a unique style tbh because you don't have the stim or rampage to survive in melee for long

And stripped down and run n gun on needle makes it alot of fun and good survivabulity

[turbid fulcrum]

So any enemy killed by contacting the toxin from an exploding one does not trigger the refresh of desperado. Sad.

[tranquil turret]

man so sad I quickplayed into multiple pox gas maps today with a stimpack build but had the cartel special on me :c

if only there's a way to know which map condition is before you quickplay into it

[lilac ermine]

With hyper violence I think it makes hyper critical useless

Bc you can like 1 shot crushers and maulers with shiv heavies and hyper violence if you kill a crusher or mauler before that

[clever fjord]

If not actively detrimental

[lilac ermine]

Even in havoc

And maybe bolt pistol is better than needle gun in havoc

[dire badge]

Why do you think that?

[jaunty sail]

so guys

ever getting new wep?

[lilac ermine]

Bc it cant stop flamers and trappers and dogs

And needle is good against crusher and boss which melee build can kill fast anyway

[astral canyon]

Bistol is far from meta

And needle is good against everything

[brittle sierra]

Needle kills everything well except dogs and pox bursters

Which you should just push anyways

[main wagon]

Tell that to my QP randos

Had our 3 stack kick a random veteran after I told him nicely twice to quit shooting busters

[brittle sierra]

Pox is one thing

But I find it strange that people don't push dogs

They are terrified of them

[main wagon]

I always tell people you can shunt them like L4D hunters but with a way more generous window

[brittle sierra]

Dogs have some of the worse impact reaction

You can throw a pebble at them and they eat concrete

[candid flint]

i find it more fun to try to play pox hound baseball

[brittle sierra]

Fatshark game learning strikes again 😔

[main wagon]

The soyker pushing a dog further and further away from you

[main wagon]

Heavy [dog flops over]
Heavy [dog tumbles 180° opposite direction]

https://tenor.com/view/gimli-axe-nervous-system-embedded-gif-14136868

[muted pivot]

Which Adrenaline modifiers are best for shivs?

I've taken Stoked Rage, Adrenaline Unbound and Adrenaline Smiter, is this correct?

(bottom left, bottom, top right)

also on that matter, which to take for rampage? pulverising strikes, forge's bellow and boiling blood atm

[amber sundial]

yea rampage always usually takes those 3 nodes sometimes the rending one too

[muted pivot]

I'm taking uncanny strikes and +carapace anyway

so I'm presuming I don't really need extra rending

[amber sundial]

The one that increases duration on adren isn’t really necessary since you can reset the timer for it while it’s still up if you just keep killing

[muted pivot]

I thought the cooldown only starts after it actually ends

[amber sundial]

Nah you start building up the stacks again asap

[muted pivot]

oh wait adrenaline

got it mixed with rampage lmao

[amber sundial]

lol yea
Rampage the ult has to wear off
Adrenaline the keystone can refresh mid activation

[muted pivot]

I'm actually wondering if I should swap smiter for assassin

or take both

not sure how they impact me mechanically

I'm critmaxxing my shivs as it is

riposte

[lilac ermine]

I only use adrenaline unbound and adrenaline smiter for keystone

[muted pivot]

you find that with shivs it still gets plenty of uptime without 20s duration then

[lilac ermine]

And boiling blood, pulverizing strikes, and forge below for ability

[amber sundial]

I’d only argue take assassin* if you’re fighting like idk twins

[lilac ermine]

The rending I didnt feel help much for breakpoints on crushers

[amber sundial]

But otherwise just stick smiter

5 stacks on kill and 15 on elite kill is gonna get adren activated a lot

[heavy patio]

are these stats good?

[rough peak]

Nah, not high enough

[final temple]

keep on rolling. those 101% make a difference.

[heavy patio]

what are the usual dump stats for the scum specific weapons?

[unique dagger]

@woeful hill turns out, me and kejetok together have killed more heretics than the entire population of denmark

6.3 million something

we did it patrick, we killed denmark

[amber sundial]

Cmon man we all know you had to dump the first n/a and get 105% in every other one

[rough peak]

depends on the weapon

in general I dump collateral on guns with them(except the braced autoguns since that is stopping power on the agripinaa mark)

[junior dune]

I don't know what a dump stat is and at this point I'm afraid to ask

[rough peak]

the stat you want at 60%

generally speaking mobility/defences/collateral are the main dump stats

[junior dune]

yeah I've seen about a dozen guides as to which dump stat goes with which weapon

but like

is it just based on random rolls?

[rough peak]

The stats on the right side of a weapon are what it will have at the 500 rating

[junior dune]

right

[rough peak]

Yes each weapon roll is random, but, you can keep rolling them until you get a perfect roll

[junior dune]

rolling new weapons you mean?

[rough peak]

Yeah

[junior dune]

like from Brunts?

ok

[rough peak]

brunts/dockets shop

[junior dune]

and dump stat is the one you want to be the lowest?

[rough peak]

Yes

[junior dune]

aha

[rough peak]

since it usually has the least impact on performance of the weapon

[final temple]

derived from it yielding the least advantage for the weapon

[rough peak]

technically you could use most weapons all with equal stats, it's just there are some specific breakpoints on some

[junior dune]

see that's backwards from what I expected because I'm pretty sure in Dark Souls builds they use "dump stat" to mean the stat you dump points into when you've reached your ideal level for every other stat.

[rough peak]

That's fair, tbh

[final temple]

yeah. it’s the same here. just that there are no points left. in either case it’s the least important stat

[junior dune]

I see I see

thank you chat

[rough peak]

No, no. You got it all wrong. You're supposed to call us various names and leave

[junior dune]

Also does the power rating on curios affect your overall hero power the way it does in VT2?

[rough peak]

no

weapon rating doesn't either, the stats on them do affect its damage tho

[junior dune]

right

so the numbers on curios mean what exactly?

is it just a rating of how good their main effect is?

[rough peak]

what # you're going to get for the stat on them

unless wound curio

[junior dune]

aha

[rough peak]

except 400 rated 3 stamina curios, those are fake

[junior dune]

[rough peak]

they only give 2 stamina in mission

[junior dune]

lmao

classic fatshark

[rough peak]

Yep lol

[junior dune]

okay thank you

[rough peak]

I listened to the pros, which is what helps spread stuff that isn't misinformation :3

[rough peak]

Remember how to properly take care of smykers:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1290821541277208638/1291174300002418688/attachment.gif

I don't have a problem with smykers, I just find that gif funny

[brittle sierra]

I do 😈

[rough peak]

Other people have gotten shafted by em tho lol

[rough peak]

as you were

[idle ore]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[upbeat gyro]

Any weapons to prioritise leveling along with baby hivescum in particular?

Shivs i guess and... ?

Or should i just make leveling to 30 as comfy as possible rocking Vrak Auto

[muted pivot]

Shivs and twin autos are super solid

if you start messing with melee focused builds, probably get a needle gun

shivs are great for anything and everything though

specifically I like the simple sweeping lights, stabbing heavies one

[idle ore]

Yea save some dockets

[brittle sierra]

When I leveled scum

I slapped on tac axe because I already have it at max, and when I got level 30 I just dumped a bunch of greens into Hadron's desk and leveled them all up at once

[idle ore]

Level weapons as you level the character

Also helps you get a feel for them

[upbeat gyro]

Okay so shivs, autopistols and needle gun, gotcha.

[muted pivot]

So far I've only really been fucking with the mark 2 needle gun, I'm curious about the mark 6 though

or mark 4, whatever it is

the boomy one

[brittle sierra]

Mark 6 is better

Because the primary has higher dot application when your crit or hit a weakspot

[upbeat gyro]

I have Vrak Auto from other classes maxed so it certainly makes leveling easier with such at 500

[fallen void]

got knocked off a ledge by a stray barrel and an arbitrator on my team just walked past

[fallen void]

well its in character i guess

[idle ore]

Leveling is alr dummy easy tho

It’s rlly personal preference ig

[muted pivot]

Tbh I shamelessly just boost weapons to 19 before I ever touch them

And craft a perfect copy

From like the moment I hit Heresy on a new character

[upbeat gyro]

Well, that Vrak made me able to hit new difficulty whenever it unlocked. And im too poor to do the same for the Shiv weapons