hivescum-class

[jaunty spire]

In support of vultures mark and desperado: dakka dakka dakka dakka

[keen timber]

Vultures is gonna give u more damage generally though, and i'd argue is much better if focusing on eelites

[final temple]

in support of chem dep and desperado:
COME GET SUM dakka dakka dakka dakka

[prime violet]

In a coordinated group you could probably get more value out of vm, but queuing with randoms I'd have to same chem dep is largely more useful

[charred bronze]

how so?

you get more physical safety and output from VM+VD. I get people not wanting to get too dependent on VD, but it's here and usable now, so why not?

[prime violet]

Because if your team knows you aren't even going to even look at the boss and will continue to just take care of adds they aren't going to be stepping on your uptime with vm

While with randoms it may fall on you to be doing something else, and you're stuck with a keystone that is giving little benefit

Plus I am biased to funny boss damage number

Because that's what normally causes a pub match to wipe

[charred bronze]

VM really, really doesn't fall off that quick, even with the default 8s duration

it's also a 2 point investment vs a 4 point investment for chem dep to do all the things people are saying it's doing

[exotic temple]

I do wish it would fall off 1 stack at a time

[prime violet]

Idk, I like the option to take a shorter cooldown on the stim and have constant uptime on cdr

You can probably thank the movement speed buff for non decaying stacks

[icy scaffold]

Chem dependency with desperado is more dakka more often technically

🤓

[charred bronze]

I'm just saying you're giving up more than it seems to get the attention-free CDR

[prime violet]

And crit, which on a crit based class is kind of invaluable

[charred bronze]

it can't be by that much. My desperado uptime is 40-50% on aurics. It'd be higher on havoc with constant targets for the Klay cdr stimm

[prime violet]

Being able to sit at 60% as opposed to 30% or whatever it is, low key huge

[charred bronze]

5% more crit, with an additional talent investment

[lapis raft]

chem dep should be most damage on desperado, and vultures you get vultures dodge and ms instead

[charred bronze]

that other talent point can probably also buy you more output elsewhere

[icy scaffold]

I’d have to double check but it’s a decent number of seconds shaved off iirc.

[prime violet]

And also the crit from stim

[lapis raft]

as getting very high uptime on fury by not needing to click the cdr is more damage than the damae that vultures provides

[charred bronze]

is it crit or rending? People always seem to say it's what's most helpful in the moment

[prime violet]

And again, you enter engagements with the crit already there, not having to build stacks

[lapis raft]

i would def go rending over crit stimm on ranged scum

[prime violet]

Well yes on the high rof weapons

[icy scaffold]

Really depends if you’re shooting Crushers or just stabbing/nading them

[prime violet]

But realistically you're only getting a benefit on crushers, everything else has flak zones

[charred bronze]

the numbers aren't numbering for me, is all I'm saying. All I do in fights in elite/spcl hunt, because that's despo's #1 job. If we're not fighting an endless wave of trash, in which case all those DPS bonuses don't matter anyway, you have stacks of VM

[prime violet]

And h40 crushers, especially rotten armor, just eat your bullets anyway

[charred bronze]

they eat all damage anyway, that's completely moot.

Play needler in rotten armor

[prime violet]

Just play needle desperado all the time 🧠

Your team will thank you for eating all 5 bosses at once

[charred bronze]

on that note, I've been messing with taking crowbar and dodge canceling the 'stick' to lightspam can opener brittleness on them, and then finishing them with the DAPs

seems faster than spamming heavy shiv by a couple seconds

[lapis raft]

i mean if you are doing that might as well just uncanny from knife

[charred bronze]

a lot of the time they're attacking someone else

uncanny uptime is lower than I'd like

[lapis raft]

well its 24% rending per stack you only rly need like 1 for it to be good enough

[charred bronze]

oh I'm thinking of the other blessing

[minor flint]

I won’t lie, the zealot main in me may have become the hive scum main now

[charred bronze]

brittleness helps the whole team take them down though, less time to full stacks. It's not strictly superior, just been interesting in practice

[icy scaffold]

Heavy shiv with or without the double throwing knife?

[charred bronze]

without. People often finish off crushers before I can get the kill. Often find myself without knives and I stopped chasing replenishing them

I'll opportunistically tag something to get them if I can, but it was inefficient to chase

I often asked myself why I was chasing shit around with shivs in an active engagement when I can just be melting things with the DAPs? For a couple of dot knives? Didn't make sense most of the time.

Again, I'm a middling player. I'm sure someone with more skill than I have doesn't have issues with it though

(I'm also running a build that takes effectively zero melee investment. With a different distribution of talents the calculus changes)

[charred bronze]

I still play zealot, but mostly because I really like the relic blade and nothing scum has can duplicate the feel of that weapon

and fotf charge, my beloved

[weary coral]

guys im new to this game and started with hivescum, im already at 30 but idk how to build and what perks/stats to max on weapons. any suggests?

[charred bronze]

check the pinned messages and scroll down a bit. There are some builds there to get you started

what's your favorite way to play currently?

[weary coral]

im still "exploring" weapons and staff. for the moment i maxed double uzi/pistols and double shivs and knife as weapons and to be honest i like both melee and ranged type of style

[charred bronze]

okay, yeah, those builds are a good starting point then

Oh, also Vaer, the rending from uncanny is only 3.5 sec. Can opener brittleness is 5, which is plenty of time to weaponswap and get a burst in

[icy scaffold]

That’s pretty cool. If I liked crowbar more I’d try that

[charred bronze]

I wish it didn't have the 'sticking' animation. The dodge canceling to make it worthwhile is a little annoying

[icy scaffold]

Though I guess I could do similar with the bone saw? Maybe?

[charred bronze]

I haven't really used the saw, but I don't see why it wouldn't work. How long is the dwell time for lean-flavored armor pen?

[icy scaffold]

That’s a great question

Is there no wiki for Darktide? I’m trying to find the bonesaw details

[charred bronze]

Kuli's steam guides'll have something:
https://steamcommunity.com/id/kulii/myworkshopfiles/?section=guides&appid=1361210

[charred bronze]

This is my 'all gun no stab' build for desperado, if you want to try it. I tried to write a basic gameplay guide for it too.

Note that I am not a pro, and do not play havoc cuz I don't have a squad of friends that play at that level:
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0ac5d64-961c-4dc0-8adf-1a92378ae240/all-gun-no-brakes-vulturado-scum

[low harbor]

no guide covers that yet I think

[icy scaffold]

I can’t find anything on the bonesaw specifically, besides chem stacks in the chem section. I don’t think they do weapon stuff outside of blessings

[spiral horizon]

huh, I'd have assumed Kuli would've covered it by now

colour me shocked

[icy scaffold]

Does Kuli cover weapons in general? Because I’m not seeing anything besides the blessings stuff

[spiral horizon]

no idea, I haven't really looked through his guides much beyond to confirm things I don't already know for sure

[low harbor]

no
it's because the weapon template pages look like arcane magic

[icy scaffold]

Kinda surprised if the community doesn’t have any spreadsheeters

[low harbor]

it'll take a while before I get to hive scum's weapons I can say that much

[spiral horizon]

so for some funny context regarding tide games and their arcane nature

[round ermine]

Which blessings do you guys prefer on the saw?

[charred bronze]

@weary coral there have been a lot more crushers in the general pool lately, so if you find yourself struggling with them, swap to the zook away from the chem nades

[spiral horizon]

I remember being told this about the VT2 breakpoint calculator "the only people who fully understand the math are [the guy who made the calc] and god"

[round ermine]

Using shred + the weak point tox increase but idk, weap feels weak still

[low harbor]

pretty much
even I don't fully understand every dmg related mechanic

[low harbor]

shred/decimator + shock&awe

[icy scaffold]

Oh I’m sure it’s a pain to get the super specific stats, but not having anything to cover basic shit like whether or not a gun chain crits, what do their specials do, and what are the details behind say the Bone Saw brittleness coating wouldn’t be that difficult

[round ermine]

Ill give a chance to shock and awe

[spiral horizon]

I'm hoping if they do another installment in the series they take the opportunity to make it y'know, sensical and simple

[final temple]

decimator/shred & shockNawe

[spiral horizon]

especially considering most all of those OG devs that came up with the systems have moved on

[fluid yarrow]

What’s the set up for needle

[low harbor]

prob won't ever happen let's be honest

[final temple]

reload/unyielding, stripped down/runNgun

[spiral horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/far-cry-release-me-joseph-seed-gif-12887358985963630884

[low harbor]

some stuff seem like they can be combined into same category tho esp since they've made new stuff that could

ex: weakspot strength (strength that only applies to weakspot hits)

weakspot/crit dmg could totally just work that way tbh, as opposed to this complicated finesse thing

[spiral horizon]

can't comment for DT but I know in VT2 things for base game weapons were a lot less complicated than certain DLC weapons

[fluid yarrow]

Answering me or someone else

[astral canyon]

It could but by this point it would be a massive change to weapon balance

[low harbor]

yes

[final temple]

you.

[low harbor]

it wouldn't be worth doing for this game

[spiral horizon]

I mean weapon balance could use an overhaul, plus FS has done stuff like that in the past

[fluid yarrow]

Thanks

[spiral horizon]

like when they overhauled crit power math to go from kinda nuts to totally worthless

I mean hell even just the skill trees becoming a thing was a massive change, bigger than anything they'd done before

[low harbor]

weapon balance sure but overhauling entire dmg system would be too much

that'd be every weapon's every attack template + all class talents + blessings

[astral canyon]

Remember that ogryn has a +75% crit damage talent

[final temple]

Listen. I don’t always crit. But when I crit, y’all better wear diapers

[livid raven]

i imagine because his weapons have garbo finesse

but maybe they don't

[astral canyon]

Mostly yeah ogryn crit damage multipliers suck

[kind mist]

limited to single stubber

[astral canyon]

Save for a few specific weapons

Single stubbers and one ripper mk

[livid raven]

i imagine it's just the cleaver and the strubber

[kind mist]

ogryn melee have gigantic easy to headshot hitboxes so get poor finesse.

[livid raven]

so that 75% doesn't amount to much in the end

[kind mist]

despite bonking on the head being funny as hell

Early hitbox priority was stupid and caused torsos to eat your headshots too.

[rough peak]

I remember when tiny angry crab was mastering the rashad, before they fixed the priority for body shots... aiming at the sky to get headshots

I miss crab...

[abstract inlet]

Graia Brauto buff when 😭

I want inaccurate minigun

[rough peak]

graia's main gimmick is the faster firing while braced(it is also the most accurate of the 3 marks when braced firing it from my experience)

[abstract inlet]

That's why I love it

But even on scum it dogwater

[rough peak]

If only it didn't have stopping power capped at 50% due to it being a hidden stat...

[faint fossil]

played a full mission using the MK3 shivs

felt like hitting enemies with a wooden stick

[rough peak]

So like when you light spam on a heavy sword?

[faint fossil]

yea

[rough peak]

Only minus all the cleave

[faint fossil]

with haymaker they weren't that bad tho

but MK1 still wins

[abstract inlet]

Brittle stacks make it feel like you're jojo stabbing crushers and maulers to death

[faint fossil]

tried down a chainaxe rampage build too

that worked fairly well

[rough peak]

The main thing I can say about the mk3 is that even on malice it feels so underwhelming compared to the mk1

It's taking the 1 good thing about the mk1 and removing it...

might as well be the mk1 dclaw

[faint fossil]

that said so far i think i like stim crate the most in skills

[bronze glade]

mk3 is really fun

[faint fossil]

rampage as my second option

desperado dead last cause i find it incredibly boring

[rough peak]

I really really like rampage. I have yet to use stimm supply besides the 15s stim cd spam use of it

desperado is powerful, but, powerful =/= fun for everyone

[faint fossil]

stimm supply is busted bro

that tox damage is fucking stupid

i just need to shoot a boss 6 times to kill his ass our at least hit him for half

and spamming buffs is insane

[rough peak]

I'm guessing you take stimm supply with the needle gun

[faint fossil]

ye

[abstract inlet]

Of course

[faint fossil]

gotta do some crackmaxxing

[rough peak]

I'm not 100% sure how to build my stimm for the needle gun

[lapis raft]

well that has mostly nothing to do with stimm supply and everything to do with needler :d

[rough peak]

I really like the crowbar and taxe with rampage

[abstract inlet]

Unyielding & reload speed, run n gun, stripped down

[abstract inlet]

I don't like crowbar, even though it works

[rough peak]

crowbar + needle gun is needle for single target, crowbar for cc

for me

As soon as I used it with the attack speed from stamina I got an immediate feel for it... and subsequently lost any feeling I had for the bonesaw

[faint fossil]

for scum weapons i like the crowbar the most, shivs second and so far the bonesaw hasn't clicked for me

idk

i find it too clunky

[rough peak]

bonesaw was neat the 1st time I tried it, but, then I got into the crowbar and now the slow attack speed and much lower base cc really hits me wrong

[bronze glade]

saw is good but feels like shit to use
cbar is shit and feels fine to use (except the lack of damage)
shivs are fantastic all-around

[rough peak]

Shivs are great, but, I am still turned off by the really low cleave on them like I am with the knife

[bronze glade]

the cleave isn't actually that bad

[rough peak]

I like my melee being able to cleave

It's not that bad, but, it's not great

[bronze glade]

and you also get battering strikes

[faint fossil]

my cbar build is good for hordes and elites but yea i gotta carry a rpg up my ass to deal with bosses or crusher packs

[rough peak]

I do have a much better feel for the shivs than I do the knife, tho

and that's with forgetting about the throwing knives

[vast cairn]

I think Hive Scum is my new favorite class to evict the homeless. Nothing quite like shooting them up with fent needles and then telling them to stop hitting themselves with a Catachan

[faint fossil]

however its mainly me being stubborn cause i also have a rampage shiv build

and it very clearly outperforms my cbar build

[abstract inlet]

Don't get me wrong, crowbar is fantastic hammer fantasy

[tranquil turret]

dat poor shiv is holding all your rage

[abstract inlet]

...in a game that demands extreme mobility

[exotic temple]

I was wondering about this earlier. Was running crowbar on a desp build just to farm mastery and it was kinda handy

[rough peak]

I had rampage + a full strength and rending stim and hitstun immunity bottom left path and went ham on the assassination boss one run, on malice, with my taxe... I melted that mfer

but it was only malice

[faint fossil]

those poor shivs must be made of the strongest metal ever bro cause the MK3 is literally a rusty ass piece of metal

they don't even have a handle

[livid raven]

they are blessed

[rough peak]

The randos were off doing god knows what while I literally slaughtered the mfer

I rocket shot him to skip a couple shield activations as well

[faint fossil]

nasty ass shivs

[tranquil turret]

just put some cloth on it, definitely won't cut yourself lol

[rough peak]

I know I'm using the rocket like a psychopath, but, idc. I love popping a strength stim and shooting monsters

[tranquil turret]

What's the best way to farm heavy kills in cartel stims? Shivs?

[abstract inlet]

DEFINITELY CROWBAR

[rough peak]

Literally saved randos like 3 times by nuking the daemonhost they triggered

[faint fossil]

i used the crowbar for it

[tranquil turret]

yeah 1000 kills is somewhat difficult for me for some reason

[abstract inlet]

Maybe heavy sword

[faint fossil]

maybe MK3 shivs could work since the heavy attack is a wide sweep

[rough peak]

what about the mk9 heavy sword?

looping heavies 2 and 3

and deathblow

[abstract inlet]

Short stimm time + heavies usually being dogshit

[faint fossil]

idk im not cringe if it ain't a blunt weapon i won't care for it

said the ogryn player

[rough peak]

I am a mk6 heavy sword simp, cause I like the heavy 1 on it and the fact both heavies do the same damage

[tranquil turret]

that might be it :c

[spiral horizon]

also I used heavy sword for the penance

was easy enough

[faint fossil]

i already did all the penances for scum just missing the complete 100 missions one

which is taking fucking ages

idk why

[tranquil turret]

time ot dust off my heavy sword

yeah the heavy kills are the last one I have before reaching 100 missions

[rough peak]

I have 1 more blitz penance... the blinder nade's 2nd one(i'm at 62/100)

[abstract inlet]

I always prefer lightspam cc weapons. I am a simple creature.

[rough peak]

I like light spam cc weapons, but, I fell in love with the crucis thammer so I learned how to use both light and heavy versions

[abstract inlet]

Knives are my favorite for this reason

[eager reef]

i liked it till i tried rampage and crate

[abstract inlet]

I cannot stop rampaging bro

[rough peak]

Oh God... I forgot how fucked up my needle gun's build was for the bottom part... Have a rashad with it on this <.<'

[faint fossil]

yea desperado is just boring for me and i say that as someone that liked doing dakka builds on ogryn

at least PBB on ogryn needs a bit of brain to use

a little bit

[eager reef]

bc scum guns have no punch to the audio

when you fire a stubber, you can feel it

same with arby guns tbh

[abstract inlet]

Only gorgon

[eager reef]

they have a punch that is perfection

[rough peak]

I really am using psychopath builds atm for some reason...

[eager reef]

there are no other stubbers

[abstract inlet]

Achlys sounds like a card in a bike wheel

[rough peak]

Does this make it give 5 stacks per kill?

on non-elites

I am not sure about the left and right side modifiers for adrenaline

[abstract inlet]

Check in psykanium

[rough peak]

I feel like adrenaline smiter would be nice for the rashad, tho

I am so glad I got hub hotkeys again, it is such a quality of life mod :\

[abstract inlet]

I wish it was like vt2 where mods auto update instead of being forever disabled on patch

[rough peak]

It does, nice

[final temple]

it does. and 15 per elite

[rough peak]

That's gonna really help with the rashad since I kill a lot of stuff with it

[abstract inlet]

Late, lmao

[spiral horizon]

adrenaline smiter kinda mandatory tbh

I mean you don't have to take it I guess but ehhhh

[abstract inlet]

The real question (since im at work); is it worth dropping chem depency and making stimm pure cdr?

[final temple]

this and the 20s duration seem the best choices to maximize uptime

[final temple]

no.

[abstract inlet]

Obese whale, blease fix

[final temple]

you can run pure CDR stimm AND chem dep and have higher rampage uptime.

… and more damage comparatively

and the superior defensive choice.

[abstract inlet]

bUt RaMpAgE + aDrEnaline provides higher cleave!

[final temple]

that’s rampage by itself already.

VM and frenzy need a buff. better yet a rework to make them more versatile than ‘ranged or melee keystone’.

[abstract inlet]

Yeah but you could have more cleave :)

[final temple]

you already get an absurd amount of cleave with rampage

[abstract inlet]

:)

I want more

[final temple]

like. if you wanna cleave that poxwalker 3 missions over, sure. go ahead.

[astral canyon]

yes

[abstract inlet]

They should just scrap em for weird stuff. Everything major in the kit also screams "I wanna steal kills!" Is it really hard to design something that isn't just doubling down?

[astral canyon]

also wtf are you on

[final temple]

i was thinking something that lends a more hybrid playstyle (for VM) and maybe a more defensively orientated melee node

[abstract inlet]

Like, Can I please have uninterrupted heavies with my frenzy?

[astral canyon]

my brother in terra this is hive scum we're talking about

this aint supposed to be a defensive class

[abstract inlet]

Fair

[final temple]

right. which is why it is basically the safest class as soon as you understand the concept of dodging.

[abstract inlet]

...and therefore doesn't need more defense

[final temple]

this whole ‘glass cannon’ trope is early player assessment not reflective of the capabilities of the class.

[astral canyon]

what kind of defense would you even give it

[final temple]

yeah. I was more spitballing ideas to alter playstyle in order to give keystones more flavour

[abstract inlet]

Extra stamina and more move speed, lol

[lapis raft]

gotta love tox bombers just shooting from behind containers throuhg half of the zone xd

[astral canyon]

vulture already does move speed and scum already has the best stamina management in the game

[lapis raft]

scum actually has pretty good amount of mitigation on tree already

[abstract inlet]

Triple it and i will never use any other keystone

[abstract inlet]

...like chem dependency

[lapis raft]

sure

they could make adrenaline freny more defensive by making it give only attack speed

[abstract inlet]

We were arguing about frenzy and vm being dog

[astral canyon]

which is a delusional take

[rough peak]

Wow, the needle gun is great for monsters. Also I didn't realize just how good this was until this 1st use. I had adrenaline activate so many times

[lapis raft]

they are both ok

[low harbor]

Adrenaline pretty good

[lapis raft]

i think frenzy is really terribly designed

but it gives stats so ok

chem dep also makes sense only because crate is bugged atm lul

[abstract inlet]

Fine, they're ok, but they're boring and cd is op

[lapis raft]

half of scum tree just makes no sense

[rough peak]

10% free attack speed on top of 12% for the rashad is great

[lapis raft]

vultures mark is only one that actually is pretty well designed

out of the 3

[main trellis]

tried using adrenaline instead of chem demp
was worse overall (still good tho)

[low harbor]

Adrenaline specifically scales better with hive scum’s best melee weapon

So it’s ok

[main trellis]

Rashad? I used it with it - felt worse

[rough peak]

And this was without headtaker since I didn't have enough to upgrade it to orange until after this mission... now it's 25% damage with 25% power as well :3

[low harbor]

Yea Rashad is best melee for hive scum

[main trellis]

still good tho

[main trellis]

what class is it not best?

i know; Ogryn cause it cant use it

[low harbor]

Vet, psyker, arb

[rough peak]

I can imagine how good the 25% damage is for the taxe :\

[rancid coral]

Ignoring Duelling Sword from existing?

[main trellis]

toothpick is for the kitchen

[low harbor]

vet has power sword
psyker scales better with finesse weapons
arb has arb maul which works with their kit better

[main trellis]

rashad is a finesse weapon

[rough peak]

Path knows his shit for sure

[low harbor]

only for 2 armor types

[main trellis]

still

[low harbor]

and not as high finesse as smth like power sword

or force greatsword

or knife for that matter

or force sword

[main trellis]

nothing can beat knife tho

[lapis raft]

knife is best

[low harbor]

but yea rashad is like, undeniably best melee on hvs

it's not even close

[rough peak]

Wait, really?

I suppose it is a pretty broken weapon still, so that isn't too surprising

[low harbor]

hive scum with rashad hits higher highs than vet with power sword

[astral canyon]

wow this video that is definitely playing is certainly demonstrating how good rashad is

[rough peak]

... what? That's insane

[lapis raft]

discord player struggling to play 2 sec video? no way

surely this software is good

[rough peak]

I suppose 50% free power does do a lot for the rashad

[astral canyon]

its something about the video file format from steam capture iirc

[low harbor]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/17173400472814743966/E2FB05FD7DF104EFFC968A1E30C3165E6F7BE5D9/

does this work

[orchid timber]

still only 2 seconds

[astral canyon]

it does when opening on the link

[orchid timber]

is it supposed to be longer or

[rough peak]

both worked for me, and I'm still surprised to see it 1 shot a crusher without shroudfield

[lapis raft]

i just downloaded the vid and opened it in mpv because thats always faster on discord anyway xd

[astral canyon]

the embed player still doesnt work

but yeah crusher 1 shot

[tepid hare]

is there any point running shiv if you're using needle pistol? I feel its just as fast putting 2 shots with needle pistol then swap back to combat blade to hit heads

[lapis raft]

chaxe can also 1 shot crusher, op weapon smh my head

[abstract inlet]

Rampage 🤣

[orchid timber]

i've never used chaxe before

[lapis raft]

shivs have better clear than knife

[tepid hare]

shiv does have better L1 spam than mk3 dagger yeah

[orchid timber]

ah what the helly i deleted the first part of that message

[abstract inlet]

I wish I was good with chaxe, it's so cool

[lapis raft]

but yea i like knife a lot more with needler anyway

[tepid hare]

so shiv for horde clear rampage, dagger for single targets

[abstract inlet]

Shiv for desperado mobility as well

[lapis raft]

its pretty fun would recommend

[tepid hare]

oh yeah also shiv for desparado to take down carapace because that dual uzi aint doing squat

[abstract inlet]

Oh wait, no, dagger, mb

[faint fossil]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JmWWKyDOYVY

freaktide

[rough peak]

tfw you get ledged by a silent burster while one of the randos is hounded... I said "help?" and the other rando went and saved me first, so I immediately got the hound off of the pounced one

I was 100% sure I was gonna die cause I had been hanging there a while >.>'

[indigo sedge]

you lot maybe unwashed insane and potenitally heretical scum but you are our scum

[rough peak]

I legitimately didn't think me saying something would work, either. It was just a desperate action

Normally saying something to randos doesn't do anything, so I was very thankful for the assist x.x

... This is what I get for looking at rando weapons <.<

[spark gyro]

Let's give one of the axes a horizontal heavy

With zero cleave

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/436310003666911232/1081465814768701510/wall-1.gif

[astral canyon]

i wish it was good

i like horizontal heavies

[tranquil berry]

that's code for "I like fat guys"

[astral canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/guh-gif-25116077

[indigo sedge]

why this channel look like people are on stimms

[trim wind]

https://tenor.com/view/colin-robinson-vampire-energy-what-gif-21090270

[rough peak]

rampage really helps during the assassination boss part, cause the 234059830598 ragers that spawn don't hitstun me into oblivion >.>

[limber cradle]

What havoc modifier got dropped for tox gas?

[rancid coral]

Tox gas is not a havoc modifier per se

It's an environmental modifier that can appear as a bonus in havoc missions

[limber cradle]

I'm pretty sure tox gas pox bombers got rotated in

[rancid coral]

garanteed in missions that are multipliers of 5 except 40

[rancid coral]

Tox gas was a thing since season 1

it was always present

[limber cradle]

Nevermind

[dim moth]

just a map bonus modifier

I know that it's basically the worst thing imaginable so you'd THINK it's one of the 2 havoc modifiers

but no it shows up as a third little extra

just to really tell you to demote the assignment

[limber cradle]

I see

I think I'd rather kill myself than play RA Blight Tox

[dim moth]

can rotten armor show up alongside pox gas in havocs?

they both force the map to be a certain faction

rotten armor is alwys scab faction

tox bombers is always dregs

[limber cradle]

Ime yes it can

[dim moth]

weird

[limber cradle]

Unless I'm hardcore misremembering

[dim moth]

I would never touch the mission just because of pox gas

[limber cradle]

I remember seeing pox gas+RA before

[dim moth]

but I wonder which enemy faction it would be

I'd assume rotten armor takes priority since it has to have increased mauler/rager/crusher spawns

[carmine solar]

any hsword builds yall would recommend

[rancid coral]

to be fair it is a garanteed spawn in multipliers of 5 except 40 so

it's a little funny because

each season reset

all 40s go down to 30

and 30 has a garanteed environmental modifier

which begins what I like to call "Havoc Hell"

where everyone is desperate to escape assignment 30, and a lot of people get stuck with a completion on 29

This is why I just rush with friends on day 1 of a new season if possible and be done with it :v

[charred bronze]

it's wildly imperfect, but you're so mid vs carapace that it's at least an option, if you don't want to take zooks.

Increasingly though, I really do think zooks are the answer for that build

[dim moth]

I did this because I was helping someone who got demoted and never bothered to play further xd

but like god

pox gas is so much worse than any other environemental modifier

lights out can be bad because some daemonhost spawns are fucked

[rancid coral]

yeah it's pox gas with extra bombers

[dim moth]

vent purge is whatever

pox gas is like

[rancid coral]

lights out with more dogs

[dim moth]

just demote and save yourself the time

[rancid coral]

or vent purge with more snipers

[rancid coral]

The point is that you kinda have to do it or play someone else's 31

[dim moth]

pox gas with the health stimms is one of the most difficult modifiers in the game

imo

[rancid coral]

otherwise your 30 will always have an env modifier

[dim moth]

havoc pox gas with no health stimms and extra tox bombers is the absolute most difficult modifier in the entire game

I don't think old stimms/pus hardened even come close

[rancid coral]

eh at least it's on 30

it's not that bad on 30 because enemies don't have +50% hp

[dim moth]

would rather have a match where every single captain is purple on a final toll mission

than even try pox gas

[rancid coral]

and the chances of a terror event on 30 are way lower

[dim moth]

well with the damage reduction from the pox gas that happens every 5 goddamn seconds

[rancid coral]

xddddd

[haughty trout]

Plus, I think tox gas in auric/maelstrom comes with a ton of stims, and in havoc you just get gas.

[dim moth]

oh no you don't just get gas

ypu also get increased tox bomber spawns

the single most dangerous enemy in the game

spawns more frequently

on a modifier that forces you to stand in a tiny safe area every 20 seconds

[rancid coral]

yeah I do think they should just

scrap all 3 environmental modifiers on Havoc

[haughty trout]

Sure, I just mean that they got rid of all the stims that make it pretty casual to just run through

[rancid coral]

and replace them with Moebian 21st

and recategorize that one as an environmental modifier

(also make it a garanteed on 40 as well)

this way havoc 30 and 35 are not kill yourself simulator

and 40 gets a little harder which it needs tbh

[dim moth]

yeah have like

mutated poxboys, moebian 21st as environmental modifiers

maybe bring back scab radio operators for that as well

[rancid coral]

We used to have another environmental modifier

but that one only lasted a week or two

[dim moth]

the FIRE

[rancid coral]

it being the burning map one

[haughty trout]

what was that, the fire?

[rancid coral]

yeah

[dim moth]

that one also had unique flamers

[rancid coral]

more bombers, more flamers

yea true

[rough peak]

sigh I got a free 440 rated autopistol, from an uprising mission I did to get my last 5 blinder hits on 3+ enemies... and it's a perfect mobility dump one... I feel like I just got trolled hard <.<

[spark gyro]

el trolito

[rough peak]

You're not supposed to get good things from uprising/malice <.<'

[charred bronze]

huh, here's an interesting thing. The brittleness from the crowbar DEFINITELY dramatically increases the damage the DAPS do. The rending from the shivs doesn't seem to do anything for them. Even a couple quick taps with the crowbar does a huge amount

[fast surge]

Well yeah uncanny only works while the weapon is equipped

[rough peak]

I also got adrenaline frenzy active like 50 times that run as well :\

[spark gyro]

the canny strike

[fast surge]

Why would it do anything for daps

[charred bronze]

ah, didn't know that

[final temple]

Sometimes I wonder if FS took capcom’s desire sensor from their MH series.

that would explain the endless high mobility rolls

[rancid coral]

because uncanny doesn't increase your rending

only the melee's rending

[indigo sedge]

daily reminder tear heretic throat and have FUN note from the zealot dont go heretic

[fast surge]

No it does increase your global rending, but only while your melee is equipped

[dense hollow]

uncanny increases rending as long as you have it equipped

veteran can boost his nades for example

while using uncanny

[spark gyro]

I thought uncanny strike gave you rending for everything

[fast surge]

So it will affect dots if you have melee out

[rough peak]

Well yeah, brittleness is a debuff applied to the enemy... uncanny's rending is a self buff and uncanny only affects your melee(and zealot's throwing knives if your melee is out with uncanny up)

[spark gyro]

That's how we got uncanny strike bleed memes

[fast surge]

Yes

[rancid coral]

so another case of lethal proximity...

[sacred eagle]

How useful is the bone saw purple debuff?

[fast surge]

Lethal prox is global, not just with your bistol equipped

[spark gyro]

the beestol

[rough peak]

Someone said it does more damage to crushers if you have rampage active, I haven't tested this to see if it is true or not(I'll go test it rq)

[spark gyro]

Rampage does have a rending node, maybe the person was seeing that

[final temple]

not really useful for yourself. but as it’s a special brittleness it’s really good on carapace for your team overall

[spark gyro]

I like switching to purple bonesaw for crushers and bosses because the bonesaw itself takes two years for them

And since I'm hitting the dude a ton of times, I'll get some of those tox crits in anyway, so might as well stack brittleness for my oomfies to hit stuff

[sacred eagle]

Yeah, I feel like I win more games with a supportive scum build and using purple saw on bosses and carapace.

[rough peak]

Uh, mine killed the crusher faster in purple mode without rampage... and my bonesaw sucks atm

[dense hollow]

u can just use lean mode for crushers and bosses

[rough peak]

There's a recording of it with the "build" I have atm(It's just a weird setup atm, not something serious for damnation)

[dense hollow]

you'll give brittle for your team to benefit from

[rancid coral]

The issue is that purple becomes relevant only when the enemy doesn't insta die

in which at this powercreep level of gamestate

[sacred eagle]

I'll run in putting some needles into them and start painting them purple.

[rancid coral]

only happens in havoc 40

rotten armour

So I'd personally suggest, unless you're fighting a cap, or playing Havoc 40

[charred bronze]

I'm dumb. This is obvious

[rancid coral]

to not even bother with purple tbh

[rough peak]

It's okay. It is never explained in game that rending is a self buff and brittleness is a debuff x.x

[rancid coral]

Unyielding enemies don't even have that much "armor" to apply brittleness to tho

[rough peak]

I don't think anyway

[charred bronze]

I knew that bit, it was the 'swapping away from the weapon removes it' part

[sacred eagle]

So use green on them?

[rough peak]

Green on anything besides rotten armor/crushers ig

[charred bronze]

in my head it was 'cool, I give myself rending vs this target, and now I swap, and I keep it' because of all the times I've swapped to a rending weapon to buff other effects

[rough peak]

I think

[rancid coral]

I mean when fighting any unyielding (reapers, bulwarks and monstrosities)

you want to max out the toxin numbers on them

so ya

if you wanna hit 1 purple hit on a monster sure

[charred bronze]

purple drink tox is brittleness right?

not rending?

[fast surge]

Yes

[rancid coral]

purple mode is birttleness yes

[rough peak]

Huh, the bonesaw feels way better with adrenaline frenzy's attack speed. It felt like ass without it, the last time I used it

[sacred eagle]

Gotcha. Bonesaw has been such a fun weapon. I want to get good and climb with it.

[charred bronze]

huh, assume decimator is also while weapon is equipped

[haughty trout]

if there's someone else tox maxxing on a monster or captain, you can purple to still be helpful, too. But most of the time, you just want to be swinging and applying tox to most anything.

Was there a settled build on crowbar?

[final temple]

have you tried it just with swift endurance? that’s all it took for me to feel fluid

[spark gyro]

That the one that scales with stamina? It's the only way to make bonesaw feel decent to me

Otherwise holy fuckles, that thing takes two years to swing

[rough peak]

Yes, with a 1.5 stamina perk as well for 9 buffs of it... and it still felt really slow to me for some reason

I am not using it in anything serious yet cause it sucks

[final temple]

did you lightspam or optimal swings?

[rough peak]

I tried light spam and I tried light into heavy 2 and push attack into heavy 3/light 1 and both times it felt slow

[charred bronze]

bah, crowbar rending from Can Opener stacks a lot faster or provides more than the purple tox, it seems

[final temple]

cause bonesaw starts to feel floaty with ‘too much’ speed. swift seems to be the sweet spot for me. no extra stamina.

[rough peak]

afaik I had swift endurance

[charred bronze]

even two wacks is "enough" to make DAPS effective

[rough peak]

it feels faster, tho, now for some reason

[final temple]

remember, it’s current stamina. if you sprint empty it will feel slow.

[rough peak]

I did remember that, I was almost exclusively sprinting with my guns out since they had more sprint speed x.x

and I was slide spamming to not consume stamina more often

I think I might have not had swift endurance, somehow. I was 99% sure I had it, tho

Without that talent it feels as slow as it felt that last run

[final temple]

yeah. without any speed, saw feels shite

[mighty belfry]

So I'm not the only one that noticed that too much speed is lkke

Weirdly counterintuitive with saw

Alright I thought I was crazy.

[tepid hare]

does Stimcrate Rending apply to Vet's shredder or other classes' dot damage?

[final temple]

the weapon lacks any sort of impact feel, therefore too much speed makes it float

[charred bronze]

the needler offers better mobility than the shivs

[mighty belfry]

Yes.

[rough peak]

Do you know if coated weapnory helps the bonesaw much?

I'm pretty sure more cleave helps it

but +1 toxin idk about

[mighty belfry]

I mean. It makes it that you get 3 stacks of toxin instead of 2

[final temple]

I would say no. you want a tad of speed and LOTS of cleave.

[mighty belfry]

Which is helpful admittedly but, eh

Not needed

[rough peak]

I really like sample collector, in general... but it is a 3 point strain on my "build" :\

[dim moth]

conveniently 3 stacks kills most fodder enemies

[mighty belfry]

True but with enough speed, that barely matters

[abstract inlet]

Can't wait to get home, try boner and hate my life with how slow and cleaveless it is

[final temple]

it’s just too good to not take it. stimms are an integral part of the power curve of scum and more stimming directly translates to more power.

[mighty belfry]

It's nice as a little insurance plan but with other talents on the tree, I wouldn't seek it out if the weapon can already inflict toxin

[candid flint]

try boner

[mighty belfry]

I like boner

[rough peak]

Yeah, and I also get a free +1 to my blitz capacity for taking it which feels great to me

[mighty belfry]

I mean you could just go Coherency radius to save points

But.

You're going coherence radius

That alone is a bad call.

[rough peak]

it's the same cost in points for coherency or +1 blitz to the sample collector talent

[mighty belfry]

Oh wait yeah it is.

[rough peak]

I feel like I'd rather take blessed stims than waste a talent point on that >.<'

[abstract inlet]

Nah, extra grenade goated, especially if you hoard pickups

[rough peak]

That extra nade helped me get the 100 instances of blinders stunning 3 enemies faster >.>

[abstract inlet]

I want to like blinders, but pickups aren't as scarce as I thought and it needs a second perk to be good

Actually

Are those 3 tox stacks even worth a damn?

[prime violet]

Its the best grenade and I won't be convinced otherwise

[rough peak]

I have a reason, but, it's ultra specific and doesn't apply to the normal game... blinders can get the 30% healing and warp shield buffs in the mortis trials

[rough peak]

It does stuff, like damaging the trapper you staggered

[mighty belfry]

Absolutely yes.

[haughty trout]

3 stacks clears chaff

and does alright damage to non-carapage

[mighty belfry]

Clears chaff. Two can clear elites

[prime violet]

Plus it is literally a get out of jail free card

[rough peak]

but yeah it can do some legit damage and give you sample collector cdr

[mighty belfry]

Pocket toxin is insanely good with blackouts

[haughty trout]

and it seems to stagger overheads and stuff.

[prime violet]

You can stagger captains with it too im pretty sure

[abstract inlet]

Cool, what recharges it again?

[mighty belfry]

Close kills

[rough peak]

close kills

[mighty belfry]

But with some caveats

[rough peak]

toxins don't count for that, right?

[prime violet]

No

[haughty trout]

20 some kills

[abstract inlet]

YEAAAAAAAAA

[mighty belfry]

It can't be a DoT kill, nor can it be an instakill effect

[abstract inlet]

FUCK

[mighty belfry]

Meaning hypercrit and blackouts have really bad antisynergy

[abstract inlet]

DAMN YOU FATSHARK

[prime violet]

It would have like 100% uptime if it counted dot kills

[rough peak]

So the fact I was building my tree like a psychopath while I had the blinders and not taking hypercritical was helping me get more blinders?

[mighty belfry]

Like I honestly get why they went the route of not allowing DoTs

[abstract inlet]

I meant hypercrit

[mighty belfry]

Yes.

That's what you want to do.

[prime violet]

But it also enables sample collector so you can have like 20-30 second cooldown on stim if you only do one tree

[rough peak]

I can't believe I did something right by accident lol

[abstract inlet]

Hoard clearing with shredder and blinders sounds hilariously fun

I can't decide between dagger or rashad for melee

[mighty belfry]

Both are good choices

[rough peak]

rashad is more brain dead

[abstract inlet]

How bless rashad?

[mighty belfry]

I personally like faster weapons with blackouts

[prime violet]

They are kinda quirky though and the aoe is strange. Like to get the most of one you have to jump and throw it into a dense crowd, not just in front of it

[rough peak]

rashad is light spam the world unless oggy elite/monster(maulers you can light or heavy spam)

[mighty belfry]

Carapace/Unarmored
Headtaker/Bromentum and

If you don't take hyperviolence

You are doing something very, very wrong.

Hyperviolence is absolutely nuts on rashad.

[abstract inlet]

Not enough points 😭

[mighty belfry]

Gotta figure out what to trade out

[rough peak]

Um... I plead the 5th

[mighty belfry]

I'm serious

[rough peak]

I was also not doing anything serious for the difficulty, tho, to be fair

[mighty belfry]

Like not taking hyperviolence on Rashad is a crime against the Imperium

It is such a massive damage boost with that particular weapon

[rough peak]

I will fix this crime. I'll take it that it's like not taking thrust on a thammer...

[mighty belfry]

Have you ever one shot a crusher with a single heavy?

Now you can.

[rough peak]

I haven't tried, my rashad is half baked atm

[mighty belfry]

Just make sure you absolutely obliterated a poxwalker beforehand

[mighty belfry]

You'll get there

Also

Flak is not needed

Unarmored is though

[rough peak]

Tell it to me straight... just how bad is this bottom tree for a rashad + needle gun? <.<

I ain't giving up pickpocket, you can't make me

[mighty belfry]

...why do you have so many subnodes on adrenaline 😭

[rough peak]

cuz, I was trying to get the penances for it done

[mighty belfry]

Oh. Fair.

You only really need two

For Rashad, smiter and the one that gives toughness regen are best

[rough peak]

I'm almost there

[rough peak]

I'm not giving up my 20s quality of life. The 4s one I am willing to give up tho <.<'

[mighty belfry]

You legit don't need it

[bronze glade]

20s QOL is really nice imo

[rough peak]

Not while not doing something serious, that is

[mighty belfry]

Smiter's uptime is actually really good.

[rough peak]

I know, that's why when I am doing something serious I'll be willing to drop the 20s version

cause I'll need that extra point somewhere

[mighty belfry]

Plus it's not actually helping your penance, believe it or not

[rough peak]

Also if I calculated correctly... with 80% cleave targets on the antax mark you can get up to 9 cleave with rampage, pulverizing strikes, battering strikes, headtaker, and battering momentum <.<

Why would you want 9 cleave on the antax? Fuck if I know

I think the rashad is something like 7.5 cause it was 5x cleave, iirc, and the rashad has cleave targets at 50%...

[grand jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/they-speak-cursed-help-dark-cat-gif-25936624

[rough peak]

Me when I want to sleep: "Did you know that you can make the mk4 taxe cleave without bromentum?"

[grand jewel]

lmao

[rough peak]

I've legit had thoughts as intrusive as that before, tho, when I stopping playing darktide to go to bed...

[rough peak]

I was just making sure I'd reach dreg bruiser 1 shot breakpoints without any buffs up, while it had such a low first target

[main wagon]

I'm convinced that the armoury is keeping a 17% curio from me

[prime violet]

Every build i see in this channel gives me a little more cancer

[main wagon]

Filthy hobbitses

They stole our precious

[rough peak]

There's a chrome app you can use to check the in game dockets/melk shops every rotation without opening the game

wait you knew that I think...

[main wagon]

IM IN THE GAME

[prime violet]

Last I checked it wasn't updated for hive scum

[main wagon]

^ That too sadly

I remember I tried looking into it at work one day a few weeks back

[prime violet]

I tried it a few days ago, not sure if it is up now

[main wagon]

I have like 20 actual +3 stam curios, a handful of 21% HP's, but not a single max toughness

[astral canyon]

I kinda wish those two were combined

[main wagon]

I'm in shambles and I've just been playing fatmangus zealot to cope

[mighty belfry]

Actually. Fair enough since it isn't a fully leveled axe yet

[astral canyon]

Or that the base timers were slightly extended

[narrow cosmos]

is there like

any way to save a loadout

like if i want multiple builds

and dont want to fucking manually swap out every perk and weapon every time

is there some way im not aware of to save them somewhere

[trim wind]

upper right corner

little plus sign

[rough peak]

Damn, that sucks

[bronze glade]

yeah it ded

i ended up just gambling at melks

[rough peak]

I thought of a "great" idea... run a desperado build with adrenaline frenzy! Why? So I can use the rashad more effectively, and cuz I want to try something weird

[bronze glade]

i've done that a bit

[narrow cosmos]

oh shit

im blind

thanks

[bronze glade]

it's kinda... eh

[rough peak]

There is no way in hell I'm sharing what I have on this talent tree, cause it looks like cancer to me and idk how to build a hive scum tree properly >.>'

[gilded oar]

any tips for making poison build feel more satisfying? (not particularly 'be stronger' just satisfying) lol. was super hype to spread plagues everywhere, and its just not as fun as dual stubs ;.;

[prime violet]

Toxin gameplay very much gives very little player feedback. If it doesn't resonate with you, that's just the way it is.

[gilded oar]

sad. i very much enjoy spreading plagues lol

dont suppose you know of any other class/builds that involve spreading some form of dot? (mostly a new player, my knowledge sucks)

[bronze glade]

psyker with soulblaze

is the other main example

[prime violet]

Psyker, but it's pretty much the same

[bronze glade]

soulblaze is easier to spread, but less potent

[gilded oar]

hmmkay. that soulblaze thing?

[bronze glade]

it's the blue fire

[gilded oar]

ahh kk

[prime violet]

Dot just doesn't inherently have the same "weight" as direct kills

[gilded oar]

yeah completely fair. i very much liked using the stimpack drop as a low cd satchel charge for the poisons on hive scum at least 😛

[prime violet]

I personally kind of just enjoy the silence of bodies dropping

[gilded oar]

yeah i think i liked the actual effect of the poison spread/them dying, just the needle pistol itself was a bit...lack lustre/frustrating lol

[prime violet]

M2 or m4, kind of important

[gilded oar]

m2 for the spread on death thing

the pop on the m4 seemed kinda...eh

[prime violet]

Ya the m4 alt fire serves zero purpose

[gilded oar]

kinda feels like the stub pistols ruined a lot of other weapons for me lmao. overpenetrating bullet spam for hoards, trickshot for distant specialists etc. very satisfying haha

hordes*

[prime violet]

Ironically probably the worst ranged weapon the class has

[gilded oar]

only two other things ive found as satisfying so far are assail psyker (and im a shit psyker...nearly 40 irl i feel too slow to play it lmao) and plasma gun veteran

yeah lol, friend plays twin autos and cleans up lol

but he's a complete crack squirrel (fast) 😛

[prime violet]

Psyker is a lot of micromanagement unfortunately

[gilded oar]

yeah, best results (for enjoyment) were a normal melee weapon/pistol with assail. otherwise i kept blowing my own head off

lmao

[prime violet]

Recon lasgun vet is actually pretty fun, though very demanding at high level play

And you get some dot

[gilded oar]

Hmmkay

really liked the recon lasgun at launch, it was just kinda...eh at the time (played for like a week before everyone i know picked it up on xbox pass instead of steam so i had no one to play with 🙁 )

[prime violet]

Its pretty good these days with shock trooper and stacking crit skills. Kind of a "we have hive scum at home"

[fast surge]

But it has cross play

[gilded oar]

it has cross play now

[livid raven]

it didn't

[gilded oar]

😛

i was shit out of luck at the time 😛 theyre all like "oh just get the xbox pass" ... mofo i just spent like £45 buying this on steam >.>

and hmmkay will check it out ty 😄

wish all the others had pickpocket 🙁 i want to spamfire my plasmagun damnit

[prime violet]

casual 2mil damage recon lasgun game

[woeful hill]

surfed the railing

[livid raven]

today i've seen a mutant grab a player and throw him in a pit

seems like the mutant's throw is quite quirky if there is a level below it

[gilded oar]

i got grabbed by one today, used to knock a friend off a ledge (he grabbed) then it threw me down a hole. i was...laughing too hard to be salty

think it meant to throw me at something but i bounced off the lip of it

[flat mist]

No emoji?

[gilded oar]

not this time. too serious a moment.

[flat mist]

😝 😝 🫠

[gilded oar]

😱 🍆

[charred bronze]

I have been directly thrown to my death on several occasions by muties, in addition to being thrown out of bounds of the map and stuck in purgatory

[livid raven]

i once got a bit too close to a mutant inside a spawndoor

it grabbed me and teleported me inside the spawndoor where i became stuck

[exotic temple]

Depends. If no one brings anti armor it can save a run but most times it’s just kinda there.

[exotic temple]

My personal favorite is rampage/ chem dependency with bonesaw needles and black outs with pocket toxin

[mighty belfry]

But then you don't get the input of people that do know how to build hive scum

[rough peak]

True, this is a travisty and must be justified. The wrath of those who know how to build the hive scum is nothing compared to the disappointment of not sharing my cancerous builds with those that don't know...

iirc it was this, lemme open darktide tho to confirm that >.>'

[mighty belfry]

Ima be real. It's not terrible.

[fast gust]

Hi Dark

👋

[mighty belfry]

Like this is serviceable.

[rough peak]

Wait really? I was 100% sure that was horrible, but, it might be a little bit worse than what I showed(i'm loading into the mourningstar)

[rough peak]

Hi BigJ

[rough peak]

Nope, this is exactly what I have with this Stimm setup @mighty belfry

I think I meant to put it on the crit part of the top right, but, I hadn't changed it to that yet >.>'

I wish the dual autopistols had a flashlight without needing a mod like weapon customization(if that even works with the hive scum weapons)... then I could do lights out without the increased chance of the game crashing. I would have been tempted to try out this maelstrom to see how it would go(The heresy version, since my weapons are not all that great)

[junior dune]

lights out just sucks man. hate it.

[fast gust]

Psst, mucker

If you lack a flashlight you could get a servo friend to light ye

[fast surge]

A lot of people I know actually love lights out

[fast gust]

Don't tell others

[junior dune]

i don't enjoy it even with a flashlight

[fast gust]

[prime violet]

can we talk about how awful it is to switch firing modes on the needle pistol

[junior dune]

I feel like it's not that bad?

you can do it without breaking ADS

[rough peak]

There's 1 thing I like about lights out... free daemonhosts to murdicate when I have my thammer on one of my zealots. >:3

[vital tendon]

making a desparado build, with shivs, should i go rending or finesse on my stim

[golden lark]

What builds have you guys been using with success on auric maelstrom that isn't dual pistols? I want something different, pistoled out lol

[vital tendon]

shotguns

[golden lark]

What shotgun?

[vital tendon]

literally any

[flat mist]

Every build works in auric maelstrom

[vital tendon]

this

[abstract inlet]

blackout blinders are good

but not good enough to lose 20% dmg reduction

or +5% crit, tdr, cdr

or alot of other things

[flat mist]

Give up something else for it then

[abstract inlet]

there is so much 1 little extra perk point takes away

[fast gust]

Double barrel shotgun

[vital tendon]

its actually insane on hav 40

[golden lark]

Would you mind showing the build?

[mighty belfry]

Admittedly, not much of a desperado user but I'm pretty sure people tend to use CDR just to get desperado back quicker.

[fast gust]

Toxin goblin bellow is the one that passed it, I just edited a few things for my playstyle

🫡

[golden lark]

@mighty belfry you mind showing me your hivescum shotgun build?

[mighty belfry]

Oh wow you held onto that build all that time. 😭

[fast gust]

Brought it to hav 31

But now we have armor again so no more

[mighty belfry]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a08eaf88-054e-4679-aa8a-3a67fad25ffa/this-is-dumb

[golden lark]

thanks!

oh double stam curios interesting

[mighty belfry]

Mind you, I was just getting used to the class and ended up making something way stronger than I was expecting to lmao

I mean you can go 2 toughness 1 stam

[golden lark]

oh shit what's the way stronger build you have I would rather use that lol

[mighty belfry]

I mean that was the way stronger build

I was memeing and turns out

A triple barrel shotgun with lower spread is kinda dumb

[golden lark]

such an intreresting spread, especially the bottom right

and why not chem grenade? I have just always heard chem grenade is the best lol

[mighty belfry]

You could run Chem nade but

Reason I liked blackouts so much on this is because it's extremely easy to get them back.

[golden lark]

ya I figured

I am just so used to chem grenade and using +1 blitz

[mighty belfry]

And with bone saw and Chem blackouts, it helps get more out of sample collector as well

[golden lark]

I will give it a try!

thanks

[mighty belfry]

If you feel bonesaw isn't for you though, could opt for shivs and replace battering strikes with either tertium welcome or sweet spot instead to make them specifically single target heavy

Or even combat knife

[golden lark]

interesting how you go carapace for your bone saw, I go flak since there's already such low damage against flak

[mighty belfry]

Because toxin damage is very dumb.

The actual saw won't do much to flak

The toxins will.

[unreal stirrup]

saw have like the worst flak adm of any weapon in the game lol

[golden lark]

is that the purple damage one? The "alt weapon" thing where you coat it with purple goop?

[unreal stirrup]

worse than devil claw

[mighty belfry]

Yeah. And it does toxin damage

And it's a double barrel build

[fast gust]

Triple double barrel

[unreal stirrup]

toxin damage is good but delayed damage against horde is uh

[mighty belfry]

So why would I even need flak on the melee weapon when I can just blast anything flak armored into the warp?

[golden lark]

so is there an argument to be made that if bone saw is so horrible against flak, don't bother increasing damage against flak because it's useless... that's what it sounds like to me

[unreal stirrup]

also shock and awe doesn't proc off toxin kill

yeah its like running cara on hsword

[fast gust]

https://tenor.com/view/dwarf-pirates-caribbean-of-the-gif-19918274

[golden lark]

what does that even do? I don't understand "Enemy hit mass"

[mighty belfry]

It legit doesn't make sense to have it for this build since flak is already covered

[unreal stirrup]

going flak does increase toxin dps against flak though

[mighty belfry]

You do know this is the one class where it makes sense to do that, right?

[unreal stirrup]

yeah because rampage rending but eh

[fast gust]

I've tried a despacito version of the build which is even more memey

[mighty belfry]

The only thing you'll ever run hsword with is, rampage. Rampaged hsword already does crazy damage on anything that isn't carapace

[fast gust]

But I wouldn't bring that to hav, it feels wrong

[mighty belfry]

So why not just cover the base it's weak against?

Especially when considering the rending and hyperviolence?

This class breaks rules.

Take advantage of that.

[mighty belfry]

Purple toxin is the other form for saw

It does brittleness.

(It's also not very good.)

[golden lark]

So just... never use the purple toxin?

I thought it was good for crushers

[mighty belfry]

So to break it down. Cleave is what dictates how many enemies that weapon can hit in a strike.

Hit mass is what that cleave is contending against.

[final temple]

by now I am surprised that not more people get that basically every class is defined by which rules it can break.

[lilac ermine]

Waht rules is veteran break

[final temple]

ammo/grenade economy

[mighty belfry]

Every enemy has its specific hit mass, and the more hit mass it has, the more your cleave value will be subtracted.

[bronze glade]

pretty much the only use for it, and even then toxin is fine too

[lilac ermine]

Isnt psyker break grenade more

And hive scum break ammo more

[final temple]

yeah. all of them do.

[mighty belfry]

Crushers.

[fast gust]

VoC:

[mighty belfry]

Plasma.

[lilac ermine]

Whats so good abt voc

Isnt all of hive scum ability give full toughness

[fast gust]

Low cool down cc, piss toughness

[lilac ermine]

And arbiter abilitys

[fast gust]

Piss toughness>Toughness

It's better because it has piss

[mighty belfry]

Golden toughness is the most broken thing in the entire game.

[lilac ermine]

So it needs the yellow

[fast gust]

Nanomachines are the equivalent to Piss toughness

[mighty belfry]

It's debatable as to if it should even exist because it's so fundamentally game changing.

[lilac ermine]

Good veteran uses exe stance anyways

[mighty belfry]

A lot of them still use VoC

[lilac ermine]

Veteran by itself has no ways to use yellow toughness

[mighty belfry]

...wat

[lilac ermine]

Bc their toughness regain is so slow

[mighty belfry]

Huh???

[lilac ermine]

Hive scum and psyker and ogryn gain toughness way faster

[mighty belfry]

I'm sorry, what?

[lilac ermine]

Veteran only gains through headshots or elite kills slowly

[mighty belfry]

Or any kills at all

With out for blood

[tender marten]

catch a breath also

[mighty belfry]

Not only that but the elite/specialist kills?

[tender marten]

xstance is goated tho

[mighty belfry]

That regen stacks.

[lilac ermine]

Confirmed kill isnt stack anymore right

[lilac ermine]

Ik im saying its better then shout

[mighty belfry]

CK still stacks

[fast gust]

I mean elite kills is probably your highest (depending on weapon), with the current amount of elites the director throws at you, you have better regen than non-cs ogryn

[woeful hill]

It stacks

[lilac ermine]

CK used to stack at same time

Now it isnt anymore

[mossy sedge]

i think the two are pretty equal footing currently

[mighty belfry]

It never stopped.

W-what class are you playing?!

[mossy sedge]

shout gives gold toughness and good stagger but exe stance makes you borderline invincible as long as youre killing elites

[fast gust]

I'd say it's different tools for different jobs

[mossy sedge]

yes both serve a function and do their role well

[mighty belfry]

Shout and Exe stance are both good for completely different reasons.

[mossy sedge]

... infiltrate however

[lilac ermine]

It used to stack like if you got 10 elites kills then you get 150% toughness every second instead of 15%

Now its only 1 at a time

[mighty belfry]

It still does that!!!

[mossy sedge]

noh

still stacks

[woeful hill]

Check Kuli guide

Am on mobile can't open it

[mighty belfry]

What are you talking about?!

They never changed CK.

[fast gust]

Oh Kuli bringer of answers, finder of the Sizeable dish way enlighten us in this day of dark

[tender marten]

i could go for a sizeable dish right now

[fast gust]

Hunger

[lilac ermine]

Ohh it stacks but way weaker

Now its only 2% per stack

[tender marten]

yea the numbers changed, the stacking didnt

[lilac ermine]

Before you get 15% every second infinite stacking

[mossy sedge]

its weaker but still bananas how much toughness it regens with all other nodes considered

esp if you plasma shot a conga line of gunners

[mighty belfry]

That's still insanely good.

[lilac ermine]

Whoever made the vet guide says exe stance is better then shout

[tender marten]

cause its tru

[mossy sedge]

shout recieved a lot of well needed nerfs recently

[mighty belfry]

Doesn't mean shout is suddenly bad.

[lilac ermine]

And exe stance was really buffed

Exe stance maybe has more survivability then shout even if not defensive

[mossy sedge]

id argue that exe is better than shout currently

[mighty belfry]

It's worse, yes. But golden toughness and hard stagger is still really valuable.

[mossy sedge]

just slightly

[mighty belfry]

Exe stance just got giga buffed.

And manages to edge over shout now.

Which is not a bad thing.

[mossy sedge]

8s on The Bigger They Are and innate toughness regen was exactly what it needed

[mighty belfry]

And stun immunity.

[mossy sedge]

nearly infinite uptime if you play well

[mighty belfry]

Stun immunity is huge.

[mossy sedge]

oh yeah i forgot about stun immunity

oh this isnt vet chat

[mighty belfry]

Its not.

[lilac ermine]

Veteran is like ogryn crusher killer now in my parties

[mighty belfry]

Overlap.

[lilac ermine]

And specialist

Since they kill alot of big targets maybe they should buff some of their guns to be better against big targets

Rn its just their grenade killing all the ogryns

Or plasma

[fast gust]

I mean think the issue is lack of options against crushers

Other options are helbores, deepbore special shot, bistol...sorta and boltor

[lilac ermine]

If exe stance made them ignore carapace or high rending in headshots that would make more guns viable

[mighty belfry]

I mean

[near mauve]

they got hellbores

[mighty belfry]

You can run MMF

It's there.

[lilac ermine]

In havoc level dont helbores still take alot of shots no buffs

[near mauve]

nope

[fast gust]

Not really

Yes the increased enemy hp is noticeable but ttk isn't that bad

Specially when remembering you just don't consume ammo

[abstract inlet]

holy shit, I feel like such a gremlin using bonesaw

[fast gust]

So a rumbler Ogryn can go crazy

[abstract inlet]

I just tag someone and then run away

[lilac ermine]

In auric training room I do 701 in crusher heashot with this helbore

[abstract inlet]

since when did scum have helbore?

[lilac ermine]

Since nows

[stiff oracle]

Does the medipack override the normal stims?

[trim wind]

darcy still has a chip on her shoulder about vet i see

[woeful hill]

What a take

Vet should get a gun that shoots soapy water at the cultists

[fast gust]

I miss Darcy

[woeful hill]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2spy-he-could-be-any-one-of-us-gif-22141763

[lilac ermine]

I dont have build yet but heres what I made

[trim wind]

https://tenor.com/view/scout-tf2-scout-what-surprised-meet-the-spy-gif-14648029703151947978

[woeful hill]

Thank you

Came to mind right away

[stiff oracle]

Does the stimm supply override my stimm lab stimms?

Like if another hive scum places their supply down, does it take over my stimm? Or do they stack?

[woeful hill]

To my knowledge they don't stack

That'd be a bit broken

Well...what isn't in current dt

Kuli might have a section about that in his scum guide

In pins

[mighty belfry]

...I'm pretty sure they do

[candid flare]

I'm guessing here but I feel like it would make sense to have duplicate effects not stack, but different trees in the stimm all apply