hivescum-class

[vernal quail]

i see

[mighty belfry]

Long lasting is kind of a trap

Because it's completely useless on crate.

[foggy phoenix]

If you have a 20s stimm, that's 20s where you won't benefit from sample collector, and if you're running chem dependency, an extra 5s added to the next time you can use a syringe

[mighty belfry]

I was gonna mention that too. They put it right. It's antisynergetic at best with sample collector.

[flat lotus]

meh

[mighty belfry]

Just a badly designed talent.

[flat lotus]

i dont play with stimm pack but i dont see the point

[foggy phoenix]

The only niche benefit you can get from it is if you aren't running chem dep (why), or you'r running the corruption clear on kill node- But at that point, you might as well use stimm supply for the temp corruption immunity along with the node that makes it ready when your stimm is ready

[flat lotus]

it seems redundant when you take sample collector

[foggy phoenix]

i literally had a pox gas havoc run without a zealot, and only my scum as the only source of corruption clear

[rough peak]

Marty Thammer

[foggy phoenix]

Temp corruption immunity is handy.

[dim moth]

oh I use it for 5 extra seconds of attack speed/strength on desperado builds

[foggy phoenix]

Especially with Blight modifiers, and especially male temu twin gas mines

[flat lotus]

i might need to make a stimm pack build for the pox gas shit

[foggy phoenix]

Desp doesn't need the extra damage. You'd be a bullet hose regardless.

[dim moth]

okay but crushers

and maulers

guys are HEALTHY

[rough peak]

[foggy phoenix]

Full magdump + desp and the +15% clip size node is enough to kill a plague ogryn without needing additional damage steroids

[fiery palm]

cause according to my math a Vraks at base damage with Unload does 4,892 damage while an expanded clip Vraks has 5,092

[foggy phoenix]

Whatever gun you're using will have shit adm against armored targets, so the extra damage you'd benefit from is meaningless, unless you're playing very safe

[rough peak]

1 thing I wonder is if unload works with the mortis trial crits cost no ammo thing

and if so how many stacks you can get

[foggy phoenix]

Desp with an automatic weapon also shreds the female twin's shields like butter (don't ever use it on any other shield though lmao)

[foggy phoenix]

Consign yourself to using a melee weapon. Or waste time on it kiting with an automatic weapon.

[rough peak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/501396724993228802/1425305051013841018/caption.gif

[foggy phoenix]

I don't bother bringing desp into rotten armor

Needle pistol and stimm supply all the way

[rough peak]

Makes sense since they have dr to ranged damage the higher their % of remaining hp is

[foggy phoenix]

Just Spam Toxins™

[rough peak]

Instructions unclear, I stopped killing tox bombers

[foggy phoenix]

Pickpocket gives you unlimited ammo, and you can't possibly miss a crusher can you

[rough peak]

You don't know how bad my aim is sometimes <.<'

[lilac ermine]

Happeh new year!

[rough peak]

Another year I can kill countless heretics, it will be a good year for murdicating heretics

[dim moth]

melee and ranged damage now

they buffed it

DoT is the only thng still unaffected

which can rapidly get rid of their damage reduction for everybody else

[rough peak]

... what?

[foggy phoenix]

They made rotten armor tankier than how it was when it first showed up.

You're welcome btw

• FatShark

[lilac ermine]

As it should

[foggy phoenix]

In any case, Scum being a toxin spammer has made them a reliable anti rotten-armor class the same way you'd take a zealot with purity aura for blight spreads/pox gas

Issue is uh

Finding good Scum

[rough peak]

so they were having more dr than they should have against ranged attacks?

[dim moth]

no they weren't getting DR at all against melee attacks

which is what they fixed

[rough peak]

I know but how does the line "thus making the modifier harder than expected" make sense?

[foggy phoenix]

This is FS we're talking about

[dim moth]

oh that line was for the damage reduction effect itself

It was SUPPOSED to go into the negatives with the mtaking more damage at around 40% health

[rough peak]

it wasn't tho?

[dim moth]

Which it didn't before but they fixed that

[foggy phoenix]

Nerfing one of the few ways of dealing with crushers- Melee, is apparently helpful

[rough peak]

Good point

[dim moth]

They take less damage at high health, and more damage at low health

Technically gives them less effective HP, but since it's all frontloaded they take longer to kill xd

[rough peak]

fatshark is great at keeping us on our toes... cause we know we can't trust what their descriptions say

[flat lotus]

extremely unfun modifier

i dont know why they added it

[loud herald]

I played with rotten armour for the first time recently

I see why everyone hates it

[flat lotus]

yeah its just not fun.

and i have no clue how to counter it except by shooting a fucking missile at the problem lol

[woeful hill]

me when I wanna parry

[mighty belfry]

...what

[woeful hill]

love slot system

can explain after

[mighty belfry]

i think i know what happened there actually

it's just the fact that it can happen

[flat lotus]

wtf was that

[flat mist]

Does anyone know if stam regen from Curios and the stam debuff from rampage are multiplicative or additive

[mighty belfry]

somewhat closed in space, several enemies. chances are, they couldn't actually take a slot to go for an attack

[rough peak]

Meanwhile, when I'm backed into corner every one of them is attacking at once because fuck me

It's funny how even the snipers refused to shoot ainz there

[flat mist]

Boo

[rough peak]

it isn't surprising since dr from curios is multiplicative as well

[dim moth]

I have only ever experienced this phenomenon with the dclaw sword and only when I want to parry shit

[mighty belfry]

It's that they have a 28 and didn't know how they worked.

[rough peak]

ngl I want to shot this guy every time I see him >.>

[loud herald]

pew pew

[rough peak]

I also wonder why he's not trying to kill me

then I remember he's not a heretic lol

[livid raven]

or is he

[foggy phoenix]

Ragers not raging? Wtf

[candid flare]

I can't be the only one who spends the whole tram ride swinging my melee into his head

[hardy maple]

"LOOK THERE!

[candid flare]

Who put that red skull there?

[rough peak]

He's in the tram?

[woeful hill]

what happened here is the Cspawn took my front slots since its a "large" slot. and so the medium and smalls couldnt go to my front

[rough peak]

tfw you're nothing but a medium or small

[candid flare]

Yes. Front right

[rough peak]

I haven't looked around the tram when on it, I also haven't played gloriana very many times

[rough peak]

You know you've failed as a heretic when ainz doesn't even view you as anything but a size

[mighty belfry]

that's so weird that they can even take the spot like that when they're not even near you yet lol

[heavy fiber]

their attack range is beyond void and space i swtg

they attack "remotely"

[mighty belfry]

that's not even attack range though

it's their targetting range affecting the behaviors of other enemies because they haven't even gone for the attack yet

[rough peak]

I love the crowbar, now that I'm using it with bonus attack speed

1st time I used it it just felt too slow

[heavy fiber]

trust me i got struck when i am well beyond their range , i get complacent for 1 moment and say bye bye

[rough peak]

Yeah... the moment you relax the game loves hard punishing you

[mighty belfry]

i mean look at the video. the spawn actually has not gone for an attack yet.

it targetted ainz when the ragers pushed up to attack so it cancelled out their pathing

but it takes a solid five seconds for the spawn to go for their jump attack after that happens

[orchid timber]

i got ass blasted earlier by 2 maulers that blocked me from dodging backwards while defending against 2 maulers in the front, director just decided he had enough of me already

[mighty belfry]

it's not the attack range that's the issue here. the very act of them targetting caused the ragers to stop proceeding because there was no longer a slot to take for them to go for it

[rough peak]

There's a reason I don't chillax while playing tide games... I've just had too many instances where I got punished for not taking a threat seriously

That and I'm a panic gamer

[orchid timber]

i was taking it serious they just decided to retarget me off of the psyker for some unknown reason

[rough peak]

Doing better when panicking is really stupid...

[rough peak]

Oof

That sucks

[thorny ginkgo]

how does shredder auto pistol do compared to vraks and DAP?

[rough peak]

It feels mediocre for the damage, but, it is still more stable when braced firing it... at least compared to the dual auto pistols

[thorny ginkgo]

hmm ok

[rough peak]

It also has a worse flak adm

[thorny ginkgo]

i’ll just stick to vraks then

thank you

[rancid coral]

shredder's main upsides are good acc without the need to aim, megastagger when bracing, and very quick reload

[brittle sierra]

There isn't really a reason to take shredder when DAP exists

[thorny ginkgo]

makes sense

[brittle sierra]

They behave almost the same, but DAP is just better

[rancid coral]

Vraks is the best sniper of them all, while benefiting LOTS from crits/weakspots

[rough peak]

Yep, this is what I noticed. The stability of the braced fire is really nice

[rancid coral]

It also has very high dps when beaming correctly

Dual Autopistols is the biggest damage dealer so far, but you need to be in the face of the enemy to make use of it

[brittle sierra]

The interesting thing about DAP is that since they fire soo quickly with soo many bullets, that you can literally CC corridors with it

It's interesting in Havoc, because they act like an Arbi

[thorny ginkgo]

vraks just melts anything 😭, i like it slightly more than DAP because of the range

[rancid coral]

Vraks tend to be the more versatile option

while also having the option of sniping

Vraks has no downsides on scum

which is the main draw of it

[thorny ginkgo]

when you play with vraks it’s like playing COD lmao

[pulsar cedar]

i saw a reddit post yesterday asking for them to make the weapons more like cod, adding attachments and shit

[thorny ginkgo]

i’m ngl i have a feeling they might nerf desperado, i really hope not

[thorny ginkgo]

they should lowkey

[pulsar cedar]

for vet, as a stimm lab tab, you just make a gunsmith tab

[thorny ginkgo]

that’ll be nice

[pulsar cedar]

would make the most sense to add it to the gun class

[rancid coral]

This could be fun for vet

and we could have fun interactions with Hadron insulting your ass for modifying your blessed weapons

[pulsar cedar]

yeah

[thorny ginkgo]

i barely play vet now because of desperado scum

[rancid coral]

I still play vet in H40 nowadays

Hive scum inspired me to bring Vraks on Vet for havoc

[pulsar cedar]

and it could even have a cost/benefit angle, like you get healed less from a zealot book if you add a second attachment

[rancid coral]

and it's fun

[manic wolf]

They will. Community sentiment is that Desperado's ranged immunity, Vulture's Dodge and Pickpocket are currently overperforming by quite the amount

[thorny ginkgo]

i’ve never used vraks until scum lol, i want to try it on vet

[rancid coral]

I don't think they should nerf desperado tbh

75% of scum issues is literally pockocket

the other 25% is nimble + jittery

[rough peak]

I know the infantry autogun is great, I just can't ever vibe with it

[thorny ginkgo]

yea it is overperforming, a competent player just cake walks almost anything lol

[rancid coral]

It's okay, you'll notice it's not the best tho

There are way better options for Havoc on Vet

Combat shotgun agrapinaa, plasma gun, bolter

Recon lasgun too

[thorny ginkgo]

i figured.. i mainly use plasma and maybe bolter. it’s just ammo is a big problem for me with bolter

[rancid coral]

I play with melee 80% of the time so

[thorny ginkgo]

recon is nice though with focus target

[rancid coral]

ammo is not that big of an issue for me even in Havoc 40

[manic wolf]

Nah, the problems is being immune to 80% of the match the whole way through.

Infinite ammo is kinda busted, but that doesnt change that the class is functionally immune to most things.

Nimble and Jittery are part of the class identity and still require input from the player. They're fine

[rough peak]

I can't help but wonder how powerful the boltgun would be with pickpocket

[rancid coral]

"Nimble and jittery still require input form the player"

mah fella it's just spam dodge

how's that skillful or toughtful

[thorny ginkgo]

if scum had boltgun the game would be broken

[manic wolf]

Yes... that thing you do on every class to avoid damage... ¬.¬

[thorny ginkgo]

that’d be hilarious

[rancid coral]

Right, but you're punished on every other class for spamming it

not on scum if you use jittery and nimble

that's the point I'm making here

It's so braindead easy to clutch as scum even in H40 if you have Nimble, Jittery and x3 revive speed curios

[manic wolf]

Right, but saying thats more busted than being immune to ranged damage the whole match and 90% of the melee enemies just because "haha gun go brrt" is just wild

[rancid coral]

Is it?

good players don't get hit by melee already

and you shouldn't be getting hit by melee if you're running nimble + jittery anyways

[manic wolf]

They still eat chip, literally everyone eats chip

[lilac ermine]

No hivescum is glass cannon

[rancid coral]

Not... from melee

[manic wolf]

No exceptions. Except... oh would you lookie that... the Desperado/VD player...

[manic wolf]

Yes. From melee. Everyone eats chip, maybe not a lot of it, but everyone eats it. Thats just how the game is

[drifting heron]

Doesn't matter if everything is dead

[rough peak]

You're making me hungry for chips, damnit

[manic wolf]

Ogryn brain taking over for a sec there huh?

[rancid coral]

fatass ^

[eager reef]

i think scum is fine bc most players are average

[rough peak]

I was understanding what you were saying but my brain went: "Know what sounds good? Sour cream and onion chips"

[rancid coral]

I feel CDR is gonna get nerfed then

[manic wolf]

Priorities right there

[rancid coral]

I mean you could nerf vulture's dodge

I really feel it's not gonna change a single thing in Havoc

[low harbor]

on what

curios?

[rancid coral]

that's a good question

[low harbor]

on some classes? yea

[manic wolf]

Nah, if they have any sense, they remove ranged immunity from Desp' and give it a decent ranged DR % value and Vulture's Dodge gets removed entirely whilst Pickpocket gets put in its place instead, after being given a 20s ICD whilst only proccing on melee kills

[low harbor]

some classes can use cdr nerfs

like psyker

[rancid coral]

I feel removing ranged immunity would kill it

Vulture's dodg ebeing removed yeah sure

[manic wolf]

Its still psuedo-infinite ammo. Thats still hilariously strong, its just requires you to play the game, not just laugh at that 40 deep gunner and shooter wall like they dont exist.

[low harbor]

but curio perk is honestly kinda ok? it's a pretty mid pick tbh

[rough peak]

isn't the ranged immunity part practically the whole identity of desperado?

[rancid coral]

That's not the issue with it tbh

^

How are you planning to use dual autopistols

if you can't desperado into the enemy to shred them

we'd be just forcing Vraks even more

[candid flare]

Move these sliding melee immune node to desperado, and give us something new in its place

[manic wolf]

You use the dodge-based aspects of Scum's kit.

As per the design of the class

[rancid coral]

Actually big true

[manic wolf]

Indeed

[rancid coral]

But ehhh idk it'd feel weird

needing to push by dodge spamming

Very weird

[lilac ermine]

No keep everything for ranged hive scum same

Its not even good at everything

[rancid coral]

I promise Desperado will be a lot more tamer

[manic wolf]

It leaves the room for mistakes, even if it would play weirdly, the problem with Desp and VD is that they simply dont leave that room. For all intents and purposes it plays the same as Smite, you're just turning off a large portion of the game by pressing F or LMB

[rancid coral]

the moment Pickpocket gets nerfed

[rancid coral]

I mean to be fair, the same could be said about nimble + jittery essentially allowing you to completely ignore positioning

[rough peak]

dodges into a pit due to skissue

[rancid coral]

I love these 2 talents but they really create some degenerate gameplay loop

mainly jittery

[manic wolf]

Not really, they dont make you immune to stuff, and you can still mistime things and fuck up. You basically cannot fuck up with Desp and VD in their current state unless you have negative braincell counts

[rancid coral]

They do make you immune to ever getting pressured by melee

[rough peak]

So you mean like randos

[rancid coral]

You have a good dodge distance and speed EVEN when you're in the negative dodges

it's insane

and it recovers SO FAST that they enemies can't catch up to you

[manic wolf]

Thats not a result of Jittery or Nimble... thats because FS tweaked the dodge linger for being in the negative dodge count (which they have confirmed is going to be reverted)

[low harbor]

did they confirm it?

[manic wolf]

I beleive so yeah

[rancid coral]

I'm talking about the distance you gain on dodges...

[woeful hill]

yes

one sec path

[rancid coral]

not the immunity to ranged while dodging (or well, dodge linger now applying to ranged, whatever you wanna call it)

that is the bugged aspect they said they'll fix

[woeful hill]

Additional changes
Added some clearer information to the Stimm Lab info.

Changed dodge stats from the talent trees to also impact incoming ranged damage, instead of just melee damage*.

[manic wolf]

I beleive it applies to both

[rancid coral]

if I remember correctly, it was this way for melee before that update

after that update, it also started applying to ranged

[manic wolf]

Negative dodge count used to have sharply diminishing returns in previous patches, it does not currently

[rancid coral]

regarding what

distance?

[manic wolf]

Distance, linger frames, bascially every aspect was reduced during negative dodge count, ever sharply until you effectively werent moving

[rough peak]

dodges in place and still avoids the mutie

dodges at max dodges and gets overheaded by the crusher aiming for my teammate

[manic wolf]

Yeah.. it was weird, you were still in a dodge state, so you could perfectly time it, but the margins got absurdly slim

[rough peak]

Oh God... it hurts...

[kind mist]

Negative dodge count makes your dodge duration longer so you become more effective at dodging guns at worse dodge count.

[manic wolf]

Emprah?

[kind mist]

This has always been the behaviour

then linger was flipped to count vs guns and now it's all stupid.

[manic wolf]

It do be kinda fucked at the moment

[rancid coral]

I swear distance feels the same for me pre and post change

and I'm even talking about other classes

I don't feel my vet or zealot dodge further in the negative dodges compared to before

I think that statement is just not right regarding distance

[kind mist]

dodge movement hasn't changed.

[lilac ermine]

At least dodging works now against guns

[rancid coral]

The question is if that is a good thing

[manic wolf]

It is not a good thing

Being caught out of position an murdered by ranged was like a core part of the game mechanics

[rancid coral]

yea

[rough peak]

the rando vet tried to die to a daemonhost... I took out my tactical nuke and killed it before it got the vet lol

I love this rocket so much

nuking monsters will legit never get old to me

It's like a thammer, but, with range

[near mauve]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfwuETLVFdA

crazy frog gaming

[final temple]

Guys. I am sorry. But jittery while obviously being comfy is not something I consider relevant. I am sorry to disappoint 🫣

[rancid coral]

but how am I supposed to braindeadlessly clutch on H40 without spamming dodges with 0 recover time needed and x3 revive curios..?

[mighty belfry]

I like that you can do that.

I don't like that you can do that indiscriminately.

[rancid coral]

https://tenor.com/view/rabbit-bunny-bnuuy-gas-leak-meme-gif-8252508646824824494

[mighty belfry]

Even if you don't have effective dodges.

Because ranged threats are a joke rn

Highkey, I genuinely don't mind dodges being buffed like that as long as you have effective dodges.

[candid flint]

this is so tragic

cant believe this

[rancid coral]

I mean you could basically do this pre update by spamming dodgeslide, you'd just eat 1 every 10 shots they fired if you were on the negative

[mighty belfry]

But you needed to dodge slide. I wouldn't mind them changing it like this because it actually gives way more incentive to manage your dodges.

[rancid coral]

I think the point is that if you're caught in a bad position

[mighty belfry]

And if you do run out, the option of dodge sliding is still available but more as a last resort since you won't have nearly as much distance.

[rancid coral]

the game should be punish you by either demolishing you or forcing you to spend more resources than normally to survive

[mighty belfry]

Yeah I get that. That's why I'm saying when you do have effective dodges to work with.

[rancid coral]

I mean the point would be that if you're caught in a bad position

you shouldn't be able to use your effective dodges like normal

but rather need to waste/spend them further

[flat mist]

It isn't surprising but fatshark are anything but predictable with these things. Havoc toughness and health calculations are a prime example

[mighty belfry]

Blue stimm DR and pox gas DR being additive

Because why the hell not?

Let's just make a bulwark have more durability than a fucking captain.

Great idea!

[faint fossil]

Why does the male anarchist have the hots for the female savant psyker

[sullen ridge]

society if stubbies had like 4 more bullets

[rough peak]

I got a line from my character for killing a trapper saying something about not taking my work or w/e

[faint fossil]

fem savant said that anarchist should learn self control, anarchist says that learning self control its boring, savant says she likes boring, all of the sudden dude wants to learn self control

my man is cooked

[mighty belfry]

tbf

have you heard fem savant's accent??

[faint fossil]

true that

[mighty belfry]

that is the voice of a got damn angel

[faint fossil]

its still very funny to hear anarchist trying to talk to fem savant and the dude keeps getting shut down

savant ain't dealing with that shit

[rough peak]

Not sure I can blame her, all things considered

[faint fossil]

i wouldn't get near anarchist either

bro talks to brawler ogryn and says he has eaten rotters before

[astral canyon]

does this also apply to fem anarchist of only male?

[rough peak]

iirc I chose the bounty hunter

[rough peak]

[faint fossil]

iirc fem anarchist has a thing for male judge

[astral canyon]

because if so its even funnier cause iirc fem anarchist and savant have the same VA

[faint fossil]

according to male anarchist he first starts off with a bite and then one thing leads to another and he just starts eating

[rough peak]

irony at its finest

[faint fossil]

absolute freak

[rough peak]

I mean... if he was starving... I wouldn't exactly blame him, when death is the alternative outcome

[faint fossil]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/HXeYCCmpK6Q

[rough peak]

It's still disgusting, tho

[faint fossil]

male anarchist has a thing for bitting

he mentions it a fair bit

[astral canyon]

kinky

[rough peak]

He's got pox rabies

instead of dying you just bite everything

[astral canyon]

or that too

50/50 which one it is really

[rough peak]

if I was giving him the benefit of the doubt I'd say the rabies... but... this is hive scum we're talking about... so I can't really give them that

[faint fossil]

absolute freak

[rough peak]

Yeah, complete freak

[faint fossil]

still gotta give him props for eating them and not becoming a walker

[rough peak]

True, gotta be something special not to go full nurgle after that

even if that something special is a freak

[astral canyon]

anarchist is just built incorrectly

[faint fossil]

at most he said he got a stomach ache after eating them

[astral canyon]

not even built different

just straight up built wrong

and it somehow fucking works

[faint fossil]

outlaw and bounty hunter seem like working members of society compared to anarchist

[astral canyon]

100%

[rough peak]

Whenver I see a vent purge tag, I immediately look to see if it's smelter complex... I made the mistake of doing one with the autopistol and had a sniper on the opposite side of the end area while I was the last one up on my zealot... I mean I won that run, but, still

[faint fossil]

me shooting a rpg to the single sniper on the other side of the map

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-warhammer-wh40k-ogryn-slap-gif-8187799919450448731

[rough peak]

mercantile and smelter complex are really annoying with a vent purge

[astral canyon]

we still need a gif of the hive scum from the intro using the boom bringer on that single dude

[rough peak]

Make it a poxwalker for extra lulz

Poxwalker? Too dangerous, take out the tactical nuke!

[astral canyon]

no i mean the actual clip as a gif

i dont think anyone has made it yet

[rough nimbus]

I want a gif of ogryns slapping a dog getting hit with scum rpg

[astral canyon]

wombo combo

[faint fossil]

recently i started picking the rpg more than the chem bombs

i think only 1 of my builds has chem bombs

and its with the stim pack

[final temple]

I rather have a ‘BEGONE!’ button than a superfluous source of toxin damage when I run needler

[faint fossil]

i either keep it for a "oh shit a crusher pack is coming to fuck me" or a "fuck you boss" button

[flat mist]

Labelling chem grenade superfluous because you've got the needle gun is a Reddit tier L take

[final temple]

superfluous source of damage when I run needle gun, yes. because the use case of applying toxin is covered as is the source of overkill by blitz.

[final temple]

pretty much how I use it, yeah.

[rough peak]

I want to use the chem nade more, but, I love the rocket so much...

[final temple]

the grenade is on the same level as the boom, just different use cases.

[rough peak]

Chem toxin is just amazing, yeah. I just absolutely love popping my 20% strength stim and blasting a monster in the face

So are the horde clear combos on the bonesaw light 1 into heavy 2 then repeat and/or push attack into light 1/heavy 3

[lilac ermine]

I hit a chaos spawn right in face with rocket

[final temple]

technically, yeah. practically saw wants so much cleave that you end up just mulching with light loop

[rough peak]

I'd have considered light spam if there wasn't 2 almost vertical lights in a row...

after the light 1

[lilac ermine]

Ogeryn blocked by view but he saved me

[rough peak]

I want to use it some more, but, I'm having fun with the taxe atm x.x

[final temple]

saw will always be there for you.

and it can only get better xD

[rough peak]

Fun with the taxe will not, sadly. I don't mind the taxe, it just doesn't hit me the same as other weapons usually

I do have this for when I want to start using the bonesaw, tho

[sly hollow]

What are some generic weapons worth trying? I've been incredibly disappointing by the bonesaw and crowbar

[final temple]

taxe, rashad, hsword are all quite good on scum

[sly hollow]

ty

Rashad?

[final temple]

combat axe mark

[rough peak]

combat axe, it's the best mark of it

the antax is only "better" when the finesse stat on the rashad would be low(due to a low rating)

it also has a better push attack and special attack, ig... otherwise the rashad is the way to go for the combat axe

you mostly just light spam the world unless ogryn elite/monster with the rashad

[flat mist]

I was trying a crit bonus dumped bonesaw last night. Felt so much better to use. An extra 0.18 sprint speed is a massive deal.

All you lose is 1.2% crit chance. The crit damage you lose is completely irrelevant

[compact valley]

what melee for a stim supply build ? bonesaw ?

[azure scroll]

The needle pistol blessings...feel so detached from the gun.

[flat mist]

Because most of them don't work, RIP

[foggy phoenix]

All builds lead to Shivs, Needle Pistol and occasionally, Infantry Autogun

[mighty belfry]

My personal three are bone saw, shivs and tac axe for supply builds

[flat mist]

https://outplayed.tv/warhammer-40k-darktide/bKwdWe

Fun and silly little interaction with Calling for a Time Out if you have a reload queue'd

(Watch the buff bar)

[worn yoke]

this is the optimal answer to danger

[sly hollow]

That's what I'm noticing, but my wrists can't stand using the shivs for longer than a mission

Hopefully we see some build diversity open up in the future

[rough peak]

That has to suck. I've never had wrist problems, myself, so I am not too worried about using the shivs when I really want to double down on them

If maining bandit in ror1 didn't give me carpal tunnel, the shivs probably aren't x.x

[compact valley]

whats the diff between yellow and purple for the bone saw

[sly hollow]

tbf I could look into mods to alleviate the worst of it

[rough peak]

yellow applies chem toxin, the other applies brittleness

[rough peak]

iirc there is a mod to help with that, lemme check what the name is rq

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/88

This one

[worn yoke]

i have a mod for auto fire as in it makes guns that arent automatic, automatic

because spamming the stub pistols as fast as i could in desperado started becoming painful after a few missions

[lilac ermine]

ls there mod to add doom music whenever hivescum use power

[flat mist]

holy fuck its so goddamn tilting when you hit dodge-slide too rapidly and your character just does a janky fucking duck instead of the slide that wouldve saved your life

[haughty trout]

Or when you take a random stagger in the middle of the run-slide process

[dim moth]

...bonesaw

[sly hollow]

Speaking of mods are there any that help you track your chemical dependency?

Timer on your stim and stacks

[rancid coral]

could use custom hud + better buff management and create a new bar only with chem dependency and move it near your crosshair

for the stimm timer, https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/654

[sly hollow]

ty

[foggy phoenix]

Offers nothing a needle pistol with pickpocket can't already do.

Breakpoints are also shit

[cursive zinc]

The problem with stimms, I always forget to use them.

[azure scroll]

Does Blessed Stimms work? It doesn't feel like it.

[rough peak]

I started remembering when I started using my rockets almost exclusively on monsters. Pop the stim, use the rocket. Now I use the stim more often in general

[foggy phoenix]

Embrace stimm supply and its guaranteed corruption clear and immunity

[azure scroll]

I have stimm supply, it just doesn't feel like it's lowering the corruption.

[dim moth]

started using rockets exclusively in the situation they are the least useful

[foggy phoenix]

Blessed stimms is a functionally useless node with a specific niche

[dim moth]

very sad

[rough peak]

I mean I also use it on crusher gangs as well

but I love blowing monsters up

[foggy phoenix]

If you take the fast acting stimms one, it carries over even after you leave the circle.
Without it, you have to stay in the circle for corruption clear

Pop stimm supply on a chokepoint your team is guaranteed to be around, and you can save them from corruption-related headaches

[main trellis]

health issues? do you work physically/have a disability/you're old?

[rough peak]

Some people's wrists just aren't made for mashing x.x

[dim moth]

and also give them awesome bonuses!

[foggy phoenix]

Other weapons you can mash ok. But shivs are apparently special

[sly hollow]

I'm 22 lol, I was left disabled after work

[azure scroll]

Yeah, I'm aware about the upgrade to stimm supply and have them all, lol.

[sly hollow]

4 years of hard labour as an aircraft mechanic does that to you

[foggy phoenix]

22 yr old aircraft mechanic

[cursive zinc]

think the hive scum is the first cahracter where I'm actually happy to use all 3 keystones in a character

[dim moth]

makes sense to me

[brittle sierra]

best perks for dual auto?

[dim moth]

it doesn't seem impossible

[cursive zinc]

Ever meet a real life ogryn?

[sly hollow]

I met a few people close to it

[dim moth]

not likely but also who the fuck would lie about something that specific

[main trellis]

then its justified; alot of ppl are some lazy asses & use such mods

[sly hollow]

I joined the military at 18

[rough peak]

I feel that. My back has problems from the 7 years I was a cna x.x

[main trellis]

i prefer to trust first; its not me who would be lying after all

[foggy phoenix]

I'll install every conceivable QoL mod except for the ones that feature macros for attack combos and literal wallhax

[sly hollow]

I'm chilling now. I get paid for the rest of my life

[dim moth]

did you leak any classified documents to the War Thunder developers while in service

[foggy phoenix]

You'd probably nuke half the h40 psyker playerbase if using macros was banned

[rough peak]

I have yet to use a macro in any game :\

[gaunt onyx]

why... now that you mention it

[foggy phoenix]

One day, I'll learn to stay perfectly at 99-100 peril without exploding in high havoc.

One day.

[tranquil fjord]

hm yes i would like to induce carpel tunnel in my playerbase

[sly hollow]

I imagine macros are a touchy subject? I'm new to the discord and the community

[gaunt onyx]

if my hand starts to hurt, i just get off the game

[foggy phoenix]

If it's allowed on nexus, it's allowed in game. Especially since those mods have been around for ages now.

[gaunt onyx]

also i fully leveled up the syringe pistol, without realizing it had a much better alt mode😭

[foggy phoenix]

Given that the game itself isn't particularly competitive, the only reasons for people to call for mods to be banned often tend to be along the lines of whether or not they deserve to be where they are right now with their "crutches"

[main trellis]

unless disability/old age/physical labour is a reason for wrist saving the rest is being a lazyass hypochondriac weaklings - pathetic to put it shortly
can respect being able to take care of ones health

[cursive zinc]

Ogryn approve of not eating mutie rations too

[main trellis]

depends really; just like with many things there are ppl who like it & ppl who don't
I don't

[foggy phoenix]

If the devs never wanted mods, they'd have plainly said it's forbidden to do so. At the moment, modding is supported, but any issues you run into will be your own.

[gaunt onyx]

too bad, eatd anyway

[foggy phoenix]

The devs don't care whether or not you use mods, basically.

[sly hollow]

Understandable, it is a pve game after all

[gaunt onyx]

mods are cool

i dont use em

[foggy phoenix]

Hell, some mods, like the dodge counter, eventually turned into a feature you no longer need a mod to benefit from.

[cursive zinc]

What's weird is that nexus doesn't have many mods or visuals, so I'm a little suprised by that.

[foggy phoenix]

It's largely all UI related

And some graphical reshades

[dim moth]

well you still need a mod to benefit from an accurate one

since the in-game one is always one short

[foggy phoenix]

There's also the vaunted disco mod for the arby nuncio aquila

The best mod

[gaunt onyx]

health bars being a thing for mods and not base game is kinda nuts

[dim moth]

mostrly because they're insanely ugly and stupid looking

[cursive zinc]

Eaisly makes the game easier when you can see enemy locations through all the special effects, haze, darkness, etc.

No need to tag

[dim moth]

that too

[foggy phoenix]

Counterpoint: An entire room of healthbars will not play nice to those with less powerful hardware

[dim moth]

chem grenade gaming

[foggy phoenix]

especially when DoTs are involved

[gaunt onyx]

counter point: they only show up in a meter

from what ive noticed

[foggy phoenix]

No no, there are literally mods to also indicate statuses inflicted on enemies.

[near mauve]

game has horrible visual clarity so it unironically helps
game spams too many enemy to see shit noramlly

[foggy phoenix]

Including bleed/tox/burn stacks

[main trellis]

works only for enemies that you tag; can't tag a shooter tho (not even get any resist on curios)

[gaunt onyx]

honestly should add that
(let me be clear btw, make it a toggle. if you thought i mean otherwise your crazy)

[foggy phoenix]

Remember when Execution Order for Arby was considered broken for being the only real vanilla wallhaxx you can get without using exec vet

[near mauve]

eh healtbars arent wallhacks

u can set it up to only show healthbars of nearby stuff

[gaunt onyx]

uh no

[near mauve]

i set it to only show healthbars for elites that are literally near me

[foggy phoenix]

Arby Exec Order highlights a literal random enemy for you to shoot at, and unlike Disrupt Destiny from the psyker tree, it could highlight more enemies

[gaunt onyx]

nuh uh. i like em, theyd pretty

[foggy phoenix]

Also doesn't highlight trash mob shooters, unlike DD

[main trellis]

Haha; redbar go depleted

[gaunt onyx]

they get it, also nice for hive scum
since toxin doesn show up immediately

[gaunt onyx]

brrrrrr

[foggy phoenix]

I only set healthbars for Maulers and enemy ogryn elites, because healthbars on literally anything else is clutter.

[main trellis]

not even on ragers/specials?

[foggy phoenix]

Literally why

A good build should be able to oneshot them

[main trellis]

They are like more dangerous than maulers & ogryns

[foggy phoenix]

Or, in the very least, 2shot them

Point is, they don't survive long enough to make any meaningful difference whether or not you know their health

[main trellis]

i guess we play 2 different games then

i seen ppl die from ragers more than maulers

or even ogryns

[foggy phoenix]

If I ever get a gaggle of ragers beset upon me, I'll literally just toss a tox nade on the floor and call it a day.

Otherwise, there's also kiting with a needle pistol/IAG with pickpocket

Trying to melee a rager while it's doing its combo will be its own punishment

[gaunt onyx]

lagging next to a rager is like instant death tbf

on auric

[tranquil fjord]

will hivescum ever get another commodore's vestures set?

[foggy phoenix]

Look at Arbites.

[tranquil fjord]

yeah but at least hivescum would have more possibilities

[foggy phoenix]

And how long it's been sitting there with the same cosmetics for nearly half a year

Now look at scum.

Any cosmetic designs likely have to be approved by GW in advance

GW is pretty strict about the image of its franchise.

Heaven forbid you deviate from what they consider to be canon

At best, we might get a few already-approved designs from the Necromunda game re-made into Darktide

[mighty belfry]

I think we'll get more cosmetics for scum p soon

[foggy phoenix]

Issue is, different devs. Likely different license. Likely exclusive rights.

Don't you love it when everything is nicely tangled in all sorts of legalese

On second thought, maybe asking for a necromunda cosmetics port would be a bad idea.

[near mauve]

what if fatfish's team is overworked asf

they had to make art for 4 classes now there's 2 more

[eager reef]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-ho'olheyak-hoolheyak-gif-2784160010000787290

hive ganger gear is pretty wild in general

[loud herald]

gawd damn

[foggy phoenix]

Please just give my hive gangers an actual shirt

Please

Just having 1 shirt that's basically just the convict rags other classes start with, but with some chainmail on top isn't enough

[eager reef]

we have what, the cash shop one, the premium and the bladesman garb right?

[foggy phoenix]

Not enough.

[eager reef]

i hope we do see more, but looking at arby idk

[foggy phoenix]

I want my scum to actually be decently dressed

[eager reef]

that said uh, arby doesnt have alot of gear

[foggy phoenix]

Even zealot cosmetics look preferable compared to what scum has

[eager reef]

i hope we see salvaged stuff

as they would be scrapping and wearing anything they got their hands on

[foggy phoenix]

As long as my scum doesn't literally fight topless

All is well

[eager reef]

the cash shop legs are literally called "Scrounged Militarum fatigues"

so more of than pls

[foggy phoenix]

I'll take even the basic-ass cheap f2p cosmetics you can buy from the servitor lady

From other classes

Just give my scum a shirt

[modest patio]

I heard the reason they can’t do more for Arby is because of how they portrayed in official media. There just isn’t more cosmetics to be had

[foggy phoenix]

So little cosmetics that raising the default visor upwards is a paid cosmetic

[modest patio]

I mean they’ve been recoloring cosmetics forever

Half the time I see a new set I own it but they changed 1 tiny detail

[cursive zinc]

Is hivescum the only purple cahracter in the game?

[loud herald]

wym by purple

[cursive zinc]

I swear every other character cosmeticscolor is green, red, and brown

[loud herald]

like customization wise?

oh

I don't remember honestly lmao

not much purple before this though iirc

[candid flare]

I fucking wish there was green

Cadian green doesn't count bc it looks like puke

[cursive zinc]

There is putrid olive-drab military kind of green

[candid flare]

I'm convinced red cosmetics have a hidden .02% speed buff

[dawn portal]

Ork spotted

[final temple]

why? nothing is as recognizably ‘gang’ as esher and goliath

[foggy phoenix]

What you consider to be "recognizable", I find to be "ugly as sin"

[final temple]

those attributes are not at odds.

[foggy phoenix]

Radioactive yellow with massive boob armor is blinding

[final temple]

and yet you immediately know it’s esher.

just as massive genehanced brutes in red with silly green mohawks is goliath

[foggy phoenix]

I'll advocate for Tertium-only cosmetics if it'll spare me from having Necromunda cosmetics added.

[final temple]

I don’t see much of a difference between riot yellow and purple feathers and silly gold with vomit green. meanwhile, orlock and tread lightlies are basically the same aesthetic

plus necromunda hive styles are a lot more diverse than we got for tertium. while I doubt we would see anything like van saar, both delaque and cawdor lend themselves easily for more neutral and muted styles.

and we literally already got necromunda enforcer cosmetics.

[eager reef]

what was that one not doom doom 40k game?

that one had a ton og stuff they could pull from

[final temple]

Necromunda

it’s literally dukenukem kind of silly aesthetics between the poster gangs

[eager reef]

either way, they could make a killing off throwing gnager stuff at us

[final temple]

ya

[eager reef]

i jsut want more outfits

[final temple]

super low hanging fruit

[eager reef]

literally print money

but i also hope they are taking proper time off

[final temple]

state mandated anyways.

[eager reef]

they put 2 classes out fairly close together and overall balance is fine. and by that i mean alot of stuff is usable and not utter shit

but balance has never been their main goal as evidence by pysker existing

[final temple]

a completely balanced pve game tends to get stale

[eager reef]

i agree

one thing destiny 2 did well with rotating seasons and giga bsuted shit each season. wish more pve games did it that way

but it also depends on the type of pve game

[final temple]

maybe not as frustrating as d2 when it comes to devalue last season’s accomplishments while trying to suggest you are overall progressing

[eager reef]

flip side would be warframe where everything can be good with enough effort

but the power imbalance there is huge

[final temple]

I don’t have over 1200hrs in warframe for nothing xD

[eager reef]

i like the game for what it is

[final temple]

tbf, warframe shows how balance is not as important as being fun

[eager reef]

plus sometiems you get a super stupid idea and make it work

atlas and the money punch for example

[final temple]

or barruk and his ult

[eager reef]

health maxing inaros with nidus

[limber cradle]

Tbf it was boring as fuck when you played with a hard carry press 4 build and you didn't get to do anything

Ik they changed some of those, like Ash

[eager reef]

most of those dont really exist as much

ther are a few but dont get played much

[limber cradle]

They got changed for a reason

[final temple]

like wukong cloud spam

[eager reef]

i have no room to tlak though, i basically only play lavos

though oraxia is super fun

and so is citrine

[limber cradle]

I couldn't even tell you what frame was new when I last played wf tbh

[eager reef]

i play semi regularly, and he jsut got a fantastic deluxe skin

[limber cradle]

I wanna say it was Atlas or Mesa or Octavia?

I genuinely have no idea tho

[final temple]

I tend to just let content accumulate for a year or so and then blast through it in a couple of months of nolifng.

[eager reef]

fair

[limber cradle]

I just stopped playing cause the story and events got a little beyond me

[eager reef]

the story was fine to till the new war

after that it's kinda

eh

[final temple]

yes.

[eager reef]

like new war had me invested

that whole string was really cool

that hollvania tile set i do like

but the protoframes are boring

excpet the wisp one

[final temple]

yeah. I am not invested in protoframes at all.

[gilded oar]

i kinda dig my nova proto and frost proto, thats about it lol

[eager reef]

i dont mind them

but they mess with fashion

to me anyway

[gilded oar]

and fashionframe is the true endgame (2k+ hours, this is true)

[eager reef]

like mag, i like aoi, but i already have a set mag fashion

have her looking like an astronaut

the rest i dont play enough to even consider buying the skins

[gilded oar]

eh, founder, spent way too much plat on the game. i have like...way too many skins lmao

[eager reef]

i only buy palt with the big coupon

rest i farm out with conservation

[gilded oar]

unrelated. i think im nuts...just picked up darktide again (played for a few weeks at launch)...got hivescum. got it to 30, thought...i should play something less like a crack squirrel...so rolled a psyker >.>

[austere coyote]

the only one of the hex I actually like playing is cyte

[gilded oar]

and yeah i've never bought plat with less than a 50% discount, mostly 75% lol

friends and I used to pool discounts

[eager reef]

smart

ever since pet rework and them being locked behind conservation the mods have sat between 15 and 25 plat each

and sicned i already have the gear for it and the spawns/routes memorized it's easy to get several hundred of them to sell

peak warframe is spending plat to skip something that is mildly inconvenient

[gilded oar]

harrow farm...nidus farm...

/wrist

[eager reef]

glad they are in the funny roation now

[gilded oar]

yeah lol

[eager reef]

it's great for new and old players tbh

shame quest ones dont go in there

citrine is amazing but has a grind that'll make lose your mind

same with trying to do anythign with a railjack

i ahd to farm out a top tier jakc, and perfect crew so i could do everything solo

bc 9/10 you will only get new players

laovs makes it funny bc his no energy applies to the jack

so stuff just has a CD

but i actually like railjack, shame it got killed off otehr than doing liches/sisters for weapons

[gilded oar]

mainreason i like railjack is from a technical standpoint, devs have been trying to solve the issue for years, of how do you move around stably/with low overheads, inside another moving object

and rail jack thought up a new thing which worked well and will probably propagate lol

[austere coyote]

one thing I will always admire about Steve is that he loves low-cost performance and optimisation

[dim moth]

random bullshit go

[dim moth]

can confirm, but not for citrine

I wanted the Steflos

banger gun

really cool bullets

[eager reef]

Fair

[dim moth]

and then that same grind again for Voruna and the Perigale...

[near mauve]

straight up toxxing it

[dim moth]

world first instance of a smyker being useful

[rough peak]

This isn't real, useful smykers can't hurt you...

[bronze glade]

must be AI-generated

[dim moth]

https://fximgur.com/a/50SO2Dn also god I love nimble

imagine hving to interact with bulwarks

[gaunt onyx]

i need a 5 head for my hive scum
6 head even better

[frigid wyvern]

Love this little device for ear cleaning

[dawn portal]

Uhh yeah, I also come to the Hive Scum channel for hygiene advice

[rough peak]

Wait... is that not what this channel is for?

[dawn portal]

Yeah I was injecting stims and going on rampages to clean my sCUM

[frigid wyvern]

The zealot channel gets used for memes

The spreadsheet nerds are in the veteran channel

[limber cradle]

No it doesn't

Genchat people just lost their embed perms

So they post there

And you got angry vet chat told you you were wrong

[frigid wyvern]

Let’s not start that again please 💀

[limber cradle]

I didn't

[frigid wyvern]

You brought it up those

So I don’t wanna hear it

[limber cradle]

Lmfao

Whatever let's you sleep at night

[eager reef]

What if I dont sleep ever?

[limber cradle]

Idk enjoy your hallucinations

[eager reef]

https://tenor.com/view/lsd-wobbly-hallucination-floor-gif-17979821

This is fine

[limber cradle]

Like that ngl

[half nova]

Hey guys I’m still new to hivescum

Any idea how to deal with crushers, bulwarks, and maulers other than a rocket launcher?

I heard the saw is good but tell me how please?

I wanna run something other than dual autopistols and run n gun talent

[woeful hill]

Hit them in the head a few times

Tox debuff does too much damage to carapace (needler/tox on blitz with blackouts/tox on crit talent)

[vast yoke]

haha firstly you can actually drop run n gun on dual uzis, a lot of people don't even run the spread reduction talent either, it can be argued the higher spread helps vs hordes anyway, I recommend Blaze Away + Speedloader

anyway there's a couple ways to deal with em:
on desperado builds:

• boom bringer (only use when there's a group of elites, waste on one)
• corkscrew shiv heavy spam
• rending stim + desperado actually has really good crusher ttk with dual uzis
• infantry autogun with desperado dumpsters them without even needing stim buffs
• combat knife is also very very good on despo and rampage builds
• combat axe overheads, chainaxe special, even crowbar all do this well enough

oh and 3 shots from syringe pistol will kill them, desperado build or not

i usually run shivs or cknife on despo builds, just pick your favourite they both have their own niche

you don't really need boom bringer on your build btw, i run blackouts on my own uzi despo builds

[vast yoke]

also just shoot maulers in the chest. they have flak armor everywhere except their head, without buffs uzis dumpster them

and ig for bulwarks just shoot em in the meat or blackout to pop their shields open

[candid flare]

Nobody going to recommend flipped crowbar with can opener?
Fr?

[half nova]

As nice as it is, and I do like it- I feel vulnerable waiting for the animation to fully finish because im slowed down while prying open a crusher’s head

[candid flare]

From my experience of using solely crowbar since release, with any type of attack speed buff at all, this isn't an issue

[zenith fern]

[flat mist]

Dodge if you're gonna get hit. Slide before you latch on. Solutions exist.

[half nova]

Thank you, I really do like the crowbar and I appreciate this

[candid flare]

TLDR

[vast yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/boondocks-read-rap-fans-exorcism-uncle-ruckus-gif-23038600

[candid flare]

https://tenor.com/view/head-explode-mind-blown-gif-11038567854390045170

[zenith fern]

Sometimes I just like to think how good I am at the game

[vocal saffron]

LMFAO

i heard the burster sound and saw the door and immediately knew what was gonna happen

https://tenor.com/view/interstellar-no-no-no-gif-15094791629266170630

[zenith fern]

I did not noticed it was several of them lmao

[tulip magnet]

Idk how you guys are dying in auric

Says the arbites

sometimes you eat a crusher overhead from behind, what can i say

[zenith fern]

crushers overhead are yummy

[finite sand]

Tbf the average darktide player has the life expectancy of a hamster.

Take your eyes off them for ~10 seconds and they magically find a way to die.

[tulip magnet]

I get that

But acting like nobody should die in auric is dumb

Especially since he didn't clutch. Any difficulty you can't solo shouldn't be surprising when someone goes down

[dapper coral]

I'm in this picture and I don't like it.

[zenith fern]

that person was playing arbites, of course he has no brain

bash a single enemy with your baton and get 80% toughness replenishment

[dire badge]

Ello fellow scum of the hive. Pray tell how do chem toxin stacks work? Let's say there's a dastardly plague ogryn and I dump 7 shots of the fent gun into it, would it do anymore to keep shooting it? And how about throwing a fent covered knife or a fent grenade? Will it give it more toxin or will it be capped out because of the needle gun?

[tulip magnet]

afaik toxin is a single stacking, doesn't matter the source

[unique spire]

It has a stack limit of 30 I believe

Independent of which weapon or skill you use to apply toxin

[dire badge]

I see and how much Chen toxin does the fent gun apply per shot? Because the dmg is cray cray. And the fent covered throwing knife

[tulip magnet]

6

[zenith fern]

Dump a full mag of needler gun on a monster and shit will melt like normal

[chrome jackal]

aaaaaaaaaaaa

[dire badge]

Thanks! Is there one for the knives?

[novel oracle]

why?

why would you do this?

[jaunty sail]

why use double uzis

when you can use a fucking AK47

vraks would be proud

[mint epoch]

"why use one gun when can use two?"

as the great green philosopher orkydamus once said... "not enuff dakka"

[compact oyster]

boy what the hell

sustained fire on autopistols

[tulip magnet]

I'm gonna usies the uzis. They're not called "Don't Uzis"

[compact oyster]

that shit is going away under a second

[tulip magnet]

They're closer to mac 10s tho

How long do you need to lay off the trigger to end the salvo? I assume it's still bad even if you're burst firing

[unique spire]

That's fucking ogryn logic dude

"why use 2 small gun when I can use bigger and longer gun"

[tulip magnet]

Does bonesaw purple mode apply more stacks on heavy or the same as lights? I know it hits twice

[unreal stirrup]

gameslantern and its consequences had been disasterous for darktide builds

[compact oyster]

also even more insane

sustained fire on blaze away

[tulip magnet]

They got options

[pallid quail]

maybe is a galaxy brain move that us mortals can never hope to comprehend ?

[unique spire]

Gameslantern is literally Fandom for builds

[tulip magnet]

Bursts for damage, spray for panic damage

[zenith fern]

Mfw using kraks and RPG for a crusher or bulwark pack (it was only 4 enemies)

[tulip magnet]

If they didn't wanna be rocketed they shouldn't have been in a pack

[flat mist]

sounds completely appropriate for using kraks

[zenith fern]

The convienent Power Sword and DS in their pockets

Or throw one or two kraks for a single crusher because you missed the first one

[unreal stirrup]

rare krak moment of hitting 2 enemy at once

shit is nearly impossible even in havoc

outside rot armor

also using krak liberally is good since you never want to be max nade as vet

apply to all blitz

[unique spire]

Eviscerate soft things

[keen timber]

Throwing a krak, hitting the 20% split chance then both nades hitting the 0.1% killing multiple targets chance

[fast wind]

literally was having this happen earlier

still they dont have enough rockets for them all

[zenith fern]

I had a power matrix and literally on the start, I saw a scum shooting all rockets at one crusher and whatever other enemies he shoot at (It was all lesser enemies)

[mint epoch]

mr. torque approves

[tranquil turret]

Does shredder pistol or IAG has more stagger?

Dunno if I'm playing wrong but having trouble pushing forward with hive scum. Often when encounter a group of bulwarks or crushers having to fall back a lot

Not that I'm using those guns on them, but can't find a comfortable melee weapon to hold the ground

[zenith fern]

Shredder pistol has more stagger compared from dual uzis

Braced shredders adds even more stagger making enemies fall to the ground

[livid raven]

shredder just kinda staggers everything except crushers

[jaunty sail]

yes sah

i am ogryn irl sah

[tranquil turret]

👍 Thanks!

Does shredder pistol has chain crits? I know the dual uzis doesnt

[foggy phoenix]

As useful as chain crits can be on a weapon with comically low damage per shot.

[mint epoch]

melee or shooty build? usually these are what you bring the missile launcher for

[rotund agate]

tbh, by the time I remember that I am running rocket launcher, I am already within melee range of the crushers/bulwarks and don't have time to both pull it out and fire a rocket...

[mint epoch]

oof, yeah then this just means you gotta improve your awareness a bit fren 🙂

but if it is of any consolation, bulwark and crusherpacks kinda are meant to cause you to stop a bit and if need be, fall back too

[foggy phoenix]

Thank you Carnival, very nice.

[lost ravine]

to the void with thee

[narrow cosmos]

hivescum has genuinely made my will to play this game come back

[spark gyro]

Skill success

[orchid timber]

what's the consensus on when brittleness toxin would be better over the plague on bone saw, like what enemy types?

or is the plague just the way to go all the time?

[kind mist]

purple when you have rampage and crushers infront of you

[orchid timber]

me when the vet shoots my burster

[orchid timber]

rampage and crushers both at the same time, or when at least one or the other is true?

[kind mist]

the melee power from rampage makes purple mode do enough raw damage to beat toxin.

[final temple]

I personally use purple on crusher or mauler packs and when within coherence. I don’t kill faster with purple but my teammates do.

[iron patrol]

im feeling the temptation to ditch the +12% combat ability regen for +36% revive speed

[signal nebula]

Correct decision

Revive speed is without a doubt the BIS perk

[final temple]

which ability?

cause I’d say for rampage and desperado, you can make an argument for CAR.

supply absolutely changes this and revive speed pulls ahead in value

[signal nebula]

CAR will never turn a defeat into a win, whereas revive speed can and often does do that

[final temple]

I am not sure this is that simple. I get your argument but a well placed blitz can achieve the same as revive speed.

meanwhile CAR on rampage and desperado equals more uptime

desperado uptime gives you the same breathing room. while rampage uptime means you can clear the area by yourself.

[signal nebula]

In havoc 40, when someone gets netted, ledged or down, the revive speed matters. You may not always have a blitz. You may have a split second, and when those moments happen the difference between saving someone and not saving someone is that 36%

Its on every one of my characters and I am never taking it off

[marsh plover]

What is better, combat knife or shivs?

[final temple]

yeah. I can see the appeal. I am just not sure it translates that well.

[final temple]

they are about equal, more like sidegrades. knife has better mobility, shivs has toxin

for scum, shivs are usually the more reasonable choice unless you are good at knife movement tech

[signal nebula]

I think Shivs are probably better overall

[livid raven]

knife has also better single target damage against crushers imo

which is what you use the melee for in desperado builds

[iron patrol]

mk1 shiv heavy is pretty decent for them too

on a rampage build atleast

[livid raven]

on rampage builds i would use mk3 instead

[pine shell]

What stats do I want at 60 for Dual Autos and Dual Stubs?

And I'm assuming for Shivs you want 60 on mobility, right?

[tranquil fjord]

dual autos dump mobility because 80 collateral helps you gain pinning fire stacks against plasma gunners

for the dual stubs im not sure, but probably dump mobility

[signal nebula]

60 collateral

You don't want to stagger things your shooting

They flinch and make it harder to hit heads

[livid raven]

there is no change in stagger between 60 and 80 collateral

[signal nebula]

Sorry meant to reply to dual stubs

[livid raven]

oh wait dual stubs

well for dual autos it doesn't really change much

[signal nebula]

Definitely want 80 mobility on those for sure

[pine shell]

So 60 mobility on dual autos, 60 collateral on dual stubs, 60 mobility on shivs?

[livid raven]

60 collateral on dual autos too

[signal nebula]

Not sure it matters much on autos but I don't use them so

I think I would still choose mobility

[livid raven]

is this a desperado build

because dual stubs are very underwhelming for it

[tranquil fjord]

its one circumstance which it changes the stagger breakpoint

if you really care for staggering plasma gunners and gaining pinning fire stacks from them then go ahead

[pine shell]

Just generally want to have good dual stubs for when I want to play them. They are fun.

[dire badge]

whats the difference between the two fent gun marks

[winter galleon]

Ofc could just run vraks

[livid raven]

mk7 has a worthless special mode but applies 1 stack more on crit and weakpoint hits, mk2 has a good special mode that deals with hordes

[pine shell]

Is Vraks just better than dual autos?

[livid raven]

vraks is much more clunky

[winter galleon]

Trades mobility for more raw damage

Depends on your playstyle

[signal nebula]

You can use dual stubs all the way to H40. They're not as powerful as the uzis but they are perfectly useable

[winter galleon]

Also very good weakspot modifier

[livid raven]

vraks deals much easier with bosses that's for sure

[dire badge]

wait what mk has the good special mode?

[livid raven]

mk2

[dire badge]

i dont see a mkII fent gun

[signal nebula]

I absolutely love the dual stubs, they feel so fun

[livid raven]

maybe it was mk3

the lower mark

[winter galleon]

Not needing to give up a damage blessing for reload goes a long ways too deathspitter really helps chew through hordes

[signal nebula]

IV

VI is the good one, I think IV is the bad one

I forget

[livid raven]

uhh yeha there is a mk2

[lapis raft]

mk2 is aoe one mk6 is single target one

[livid raven]

mk 2 vs mk6

[dire badge]

we tlaking baout the needle gun right

[livid raven]

yes

[lapis raft]

even though the "single target" one really just saves some ammo if you crit and/or weakspot

so generally that bonus is pretty useless anyway

[winter galleon]

When i play melee scum i really only use needle gun on heavies/bosses so i almost never use alt fire anyways

Too busy having fun roleplaying a garbage disposal

[iron patrol]

i am starting to get sick of bursters so much

gets into the horde, jumps at me, i push it lands back, gets up, jumps and i push it back, we repeat this 4 more times before it just detonates before i can push it again

did they teach the damn bursters fucking trigger dicipline

[winter galleon]

Combination of they are definitely finicky right now but also gotta wait for them to arm

But yes very annoying

[tranquil fjord]

are you running the talent which removes threat?

[iron patrol]

they arent playing the arming sound is the problem

i dont run the threat reduction

[winter galleon]

Thus the finicky part

[tranquil fjord]

ah theyve been buggy

[iron patrol]

this mf jumping without arming

[winter galleon]

Same wirh demonhosts not making noises sometimes

Or dogs not barking

[iron patrol]

i havent heard the poxwalkers ticking at max ramp before

[dire badge]

they do the smae thing but mk6 gives 1 more stack but no horde clear right?

[iron patrol]

but thanks to the faulty triggers the inquisition laced their supplies with we can now gamble on our lives

[winter galleon]

Sounds like your questioning the will of the emperor to me

[final temple]

mk6 is strictly inferior. yes, it gives technically more stacks per crit or weakspot hit but you do not reach any breakpoints worthwhile the mental load with it. you shoot specialists once, elites twice and ogryns thrice. regardless where you hit.

meanwhile the alt of MK2 can be used as horde clear in a pinch. mk6 is useless.

[dire badge]

gotchu ty

[livid raven]

spot the desperado scum and the veteran with the infantry lasrifle

[rough peak]

2 or 4, but, my gut says 2 for the damage dealt(on the vet)

[livid raven]

2 was infact the vet

[junior dune]

• check "Enhanced" penance, it's at 908 toughness restored via stims
• load into mission with the stim distribution ult and a toughness stim
• spam it at every opportunity, remain at 4 stacks of Dependency for most of the mission
• i'm dropping this thing in firefights, in melee brawls, you name it
• exit the mission
• check penance
• it's still at 908 toughness restored

[winter galleon]

Its pretty rough

[junior dune]

Its pretty tough

"Complete my penances for cosmetics"
Ok Fatshark
"2600 toughness"
No Fatshark

[tranquil fjord]

whats a good way to complete the heavy attacks while stimmed penance

[limber cradle]

Anything with good cleave

I did it crowd, hsword is good for it too

[limber cradle]

Just stand in fire

Do mortis trials

[junior dune]

[limber cradle]

Fwiw

I didnt use stimm box while I did it

I do not know if that negatively influences it

[hardy maple]

what are the chances this video has something important to say?

[final temple]

likely nothing you aren’t already aware of.

[marsh plover]

wat blessing on needle gun?

[lapis raft]

run n gun and stripped down

[zenith fern]

it has peak in it

[narrow cosmos]

question

wouldnt chem dependency be better for a desperado build over vulture's mark?

as, if im not missing something, at that point you would have nearly instant cooldowns on desperado

or very quick ones anyway

like basically permanent uptime

or is it not worth building into because it would simply be overkill?

[rough nimbus]

4 stacks chem dependency and damage stim is pretty good on desperado

you lose like 15% damage in exchange for more ability uptime and slightly higher crit chance

[vivid wedge]

I typically use cool down stim with stim dependency, if you line your stim up to be after your ability I am usually like 12 seconds or less between desperados

[narrow cosmos]

i mean i was going under the assumption youd go for cooldown stim with such a build

[narrow cosmos]

yeah this basically

[rough nimbus]

why would you go for cooldown if you're going to have 40% cdr at all times

[narrow cosmos]

'cause im reading through all the keystones a bit better and frankly vultures mark just.. doesent seem that good to me

unless im missing something

[vivid wedge]

Why would I want to be in desperado more, idk

[limber cradle]

Its like, fine

[rough nimbus]

desperado's only benefit is more rending and slightly more damage right now, just dodging is desperado state

[prime violet]

Vultures mark low key ass

[rough nimbus]

and an instant reload

[limber cradle]

I tried Chem Dep a damage stimm set up vs VM with CD stimm

Prefer VM still

[narrow cosmos]

im currently using a vm + cdstim

and like, its okay

[limber cradle]

All Chem dep does for you, really, for desp is the CD

[prime violet]

And crit

[vivid wedge]

I don't like vultures mark, esp if people are using vultures dodge. Makes you become reliant on inconsistent defensive mechanic

[limber cradle]

The crit doesn't matter that much with the guns you use for Desp

[rough nimbus]

it's the same crit chance unless you take a node that makes your stim slightly hard to manage

it's really not that beneficial

[limber cradle]

Yeah

[narrow cosmos]

its just i dont find myself getting a lot of use out of VM, out of like, the occasional elite that wanders in a horde, as i mostly pop desperado when poxwalker hordes spawn in/theres a wall of riflemen

[limber cradle]

And VM benefits from the crits

Chem Dep doesn't

[limber cradle]

What diff are you on?

[narrow cosmos]

i mean

[limber cradle]

Yeah, that doesn't really matter ime

[rough nimbus]

vulture's mark is the same crit chance

[narrow cosmos]

damnation currently, level 28

[limber cradle]

VM has subnodes to synergize with the crit

[limber cradle]

Idk what you mean by occasional elite then tbh