hivescum-class

[mighty belfry]

Like the revive shout should have been the node that came without a downside.

[rancid coral]

Other than Relic Blade ofc

[mighty belfry]

Not the golden toughness lol

[fast gust]

Branx:

[rancid coral]

branx WHAT

[fast gust]

It's pointy!

[gritty elk]

Team cdr can be useful for ult uptime

[mighty belfry]

Or, you can do something funny and finessemaxx

[brittle sierra]

Branx DEEZ

[rancid coral]

branx is a MARK NOT A WEAPOn

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY BRANX WRAAA

[edgy saddle]

I saw one guy just blowing up the box constantly and it looked fun tbh

[lapis raft]

is golden toughness even explained anywhere in the game at all btw

[mighty belfry]

Not really.

[brittle sierra]

Rn I have crit and Stam

I'm thinking about replacing crit with CDR

But soo many people benefit from the crit including myself 😔

[lapis raft]

gg

[rancid coral]

gold toughness literally needs to not block overheads/snipers/bursters and it'll be fine as a mechanic

[fast gust]

Branx.

[rancid coral]

shout cdr still needs to go up tho

[brittle sierra]

The problem is that CDR is not useful for yourself except for dropping the crate again

[lapis raft]

well dropping the crate again is pretty useful

[dim moth]

alternatively simply removing it 👍

[brittle sierra]

But it will only happen maybe 20% of the time

[mighty belfry]

Yeah. That's pretty useful right now.

[rancid coral]

but I like being a little more tanky against ragers :((((((((((((((((((((((((((

[vocal saffron]

Effectively i frames

[mighty belfry]

Since, crate is still bugged.

[vocal saffron]

This whole discussion feels semantic tbh

[brittle sierra]

I drop the crate to drop the crate to drop the crate to drop the crate to drop the crate

[rancid coral]

Yes but the world is not ready for this!!!!!!

anyways

[vocal saffron]

Like for honor dodges arent i frames they just break enemy attack tracking except for some attacks specifically to be undodgeable

[brittle sierra]

Truly we live in a Psykanium

[vocal saffron]

Idk

Wut do i knoweth

[lapis raft]

iframes in games are stupid anyway

[mighty belfry]

Its just that enemy tracking for melee attacks is really particular.

[dim moth]

for honor dodges are iframes though

[mighty belfry]

So it feels like it's iframes

[brittle sierra]

"guys I'm literally a god at dark souls"

[dim moth]

they just automatically end if you stop moving

so dodging into a wall means you are no longer dodging

[lapis raft]

hey let me dodge this not using actual mobility but using mobility thats invincibility button instead and not utilizing the actual mobility at all

pinnacle of design truly

[fast gust]

Let's make a game around mobily

Let's have a class that is less mobile but tankier

The idea is sound

however

[dim moth]

[charred bronze]

Don't see as many DS zealots these days, down below havoc

[mighty belfry]

If I'll be honest

Dueling sword zealot overrated as f

[charred bronze]

or knife zealots for that matter

[fast gust]

Like the current helbores not having cleave, why would you helbore when plasma is right there

[mighty belfry]

I'd rather have knife lol

[narrow cosmos]

for the special stimm is it better to always make it as strong as possible and using all points or is it better to keep it a lil weaker and have the shorter cooldown?

[mighty belfry]

Better one-shot bps and shocktroop

[fast gust]

Depends on build

[reef spoke]

Depends on build

[narrow cosmos]

alright then

[reef spoke]

I go only cooldown my Adrenaline build

[drifting heron]

Better ammo, better breakpoints

[fast gust]

The netcode leading to a phantom headshot:

[reef spoke]

But max strength on my drug build

[drifting heron]

That happens to plasma too

[fast gust]

The humble crusher saving the president:

[narrow cosmos]

im going for a desperado twin uzis build rn

[fast gust]

The honest Bulwark horde:

[drifting heron]

Hellbore will actually put holes on that

[fast gust]

It doesn't cleave

[drifting heron]

And plasma can't pen shields anymore

[fast gust]

A million Bulwarks upon Fatshark HQ

[drifting heron]

Pretty sure plasma doesn't have cara cleave override

[fast gust]

It did

[lapis raft]

if with vultures then you probs want just cdr most likely for max desperado

[reef spoke]

If you go Sample Collector + Blackout + "blitz spread toxin" you can use max strength

Otherwise I suggest cooldown

[narrow cosmos]

i am like

level 12

[reef spoke]

My dual uzi desperado build uses the blackout + Sample combo to speedrun my stim cooldown

[reef spoke]

Oh then just go cooldown

[narrow cosmos]

im probably just gonna dump it all into cooldown though for max dakka

[reef spoke]

Strength is only good if you can get a lot of it

[lapis raft]

you get desperado back very quickly with max cooldown just pop it after desperado ends and ez

[narrow cosmos]

i also noticed that possible combo in the skill tree but untill i can get that im using the rocket launcher

it does like

stupid damage

[rancid coral]

It doesn't go through carapace atm

idk if it did in the past

[obsidian oxide]

oh i missed yet another i frame discussion

[drifting heron]

Yeah I said that

[rancid coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/794801623036854302/1165501685792251924/crumple.gif

[reef spoke]

Indeed that's a good idea

The blackout nades can do enough damage to kill hordes with 1 throw. So look into it later

[rancid coral]

let's pump it up with more normie discussions

[reef spoke]

Probably lvl 30 though

[rancid coral]

nerf pickpocket

nerf nimble+jittery

k thx

[narrow cosmos]

my worry about that is that okay i have like max hordeclear potential but how am i gonna deal with big enemies/bosses if i dont bring the rocket launcher? do i just pepper them with the uzis?

[lapis raft]

as you are taking ranged nodes and desperado builds also struggling the most against bulwarks and crushers i would assume rpg is probs best there either way

[narrow cosmos]

that was what i was thinking yeah

[brittle sierra]

No

I don't think I will

Instead

I will give it to Ogryn

[reef spoke]

For bosses, yes mag dump them

For crushers, pack a good melee or spam blackouts on them

[rancid coral]

The gunlugger ult should give infinite ammo tbh

[narrow cosmos]

'cause fucking bulwarks have been kinda kicking my ass because i cannot kill them as im using shivs and uzis, which kinda dont do shit

[rancid coral]

just add a sanity check so you can't fire 5000000000 rumbler bombs a second

[narrow cosmos]

so i have to blast them with the rl

[rancid coral]

and done

[reef spoke]

It should, solely because it'd be fun

[brittle sierra]

Brother if you have shives, just turn around 😭

[obsidian oxide]

neeedleepisstooollll

[brittle sierra]

Hit their little toes

Idk

[rancid coral]

If you have nimble just dodge to the left and stab or shoot

[narrow cosmos]

that defeats my whole build 😭

[reef spoke]

Rely on teammates more for them

[drifting heron]

Throw some knives at their right hand

[obsidian oxide]

uhm hm hrm erm

[reef spoke]

Save the rl for when you can't

[narrow cosmos]

rely on teammates

the humble braindead 3 ogryn stack:

[obsidian oxide]

dodge !

[brittle sierra]

I'm always the teammate 😔

[brittle sierra]

Hey Ogryns are cracked at higher difficulties

[narrow cosmos]

at higher difficulties*

[obsidian oxide]

not really,,

[obsidian oxide]

ogryns kinda

[reef spoke]

Funny you say that ogryns dumpster bulwarks

[obsidian oxide]

suck

[brittle sierra]

Shut up

[narrow cosmos]

no i know its just that the ones i match with make me think people should take IQ tests before being allowed in co-op games

[obsidian oxide]

just take blackouts

[fluid yarrow]

How so

[reef spoke]

But yeah the average Darktide player is barely sentient

[obsidian oxide]

throw them at their feet and they’ll get thrown to the ground

[brittle sierra]

Have u tried playing at higher difficulties to find better players? 🤔

[reef spoke]

I get you :c

[narrow cosmos]

im level 12

[obsidian oxide]

to h40 with ye

[brittle sierra]

Ok and?

[reef spoke]

Blackout nades aimed at shields open up Bulwarks

[narrow cosmos]

TRUE

[reef spoke]

So you can mag dump them then

[narrow cosmos]

true i should just play auric

[narrow cosmos]

good info

[brittle sierra]

Bullwalks are like not a scum problem at all

I think the scariest enemies for scum are ragers

Especially if you use the bonesaw 💀

[narrow cosmos]

ragers i just shred them

rager versus my humble 300 bullets:

[brittle sierra]

Not using your ammo against specialists

[reef spoke]

Its usually bombers for me

[lapis raft]

ragers while playing knife are nightmare fuel

[obsidian oxide]

wait why am i in hive scum chat

[reef spoke]

They just lock down so much of the map in some areas

[obsidian oxide]

i thought this was zealot chat

[narrow cosmos]

which one of these 3 is better

[brittle sierra]

This is the new Zealot chat

[brittle sierra]

Heh 😈

[obsidian oxide]

i usually go with melee kills

[reef spoke]

What is Hive scum if not ranged Zealot?

[lapis raft]

the ranged cdr if you are desperado

[narrow cosmos]

yea

[obsidian oxide]

it’s build dependent

[narrow cosmos]

oh yeah im stupid

[brittle sierra]

I'm wondering that for crate which CDR is best 🤔

[narrow cosmos]

i didnt read

[reef spoke]

I use the +25% cooldown rate for drug build

[lapis raft]

i like generic cdr for crate so its useful for everyone

[brittle sierra]

Just mindlessly accept our advice

[lapis raft]

also the ranged one do not even procs from needler shit anyway

[reef spoke]

It's the most consistent

[narrow cosmos]

true i should just let the darktide discord server make my build for me without reading a single perk

[reef spoke]

Honestly going into mourningstar and inspecting people. Most players would be better off just blindly following randoms

[brittle sierra]

Tbf we are the experts of misinformation 😈

We make the CIA blush

[reef spoke]

When waiting on someone, try inspecting random people you'll see some abominations lol

[charred bronze]

for despo/rampage, the +75% cdr on ranged/melee kill is noticeably better

[reef spoke]

Indeed, that's why I mentioned for drug build

[flat lotus]

truth nuke

[drifting heron]

Ranged zealot would imply being immortal

[charred bronze]

and melee zealot. They'd honestly outclass z in every way if they had access to any really excellent fuckoff gigantic horde clear weapons

[reef spoke]

Hivescum flamer when UwU

[dim moth]

bonesaw actually has comparable horde clear to vet power sword

and well...needle pistol Mk 2 is a weapon in darktide

[bronze glade]

somehow i find that really hard to believe

[dim moth]

take it up with reginald not me I'm saying that because of his video comparing scum to other classes

[bronze glade]

what's even the methodolgy

maybe he's only testing it on poxxers or something

[dim moth]

yeah

https://youtu.be/L63ZrS5G8yg?t=745

h40 horde of only poxboys on archivum sycorax

[bronze glade]

oh yeah only on poxxers

good thing poxxers are the most dangerous horde enemy

oh wait

[reef spoke]

Tell that to randoms

It might as well be true for them lmao

[charred bronze]

that tracks, they both feel terrible

[zealous ravine]

psword moment

[worn yoke]

probably raw cd or melee because the entire team will always melee but not always shoot

[novel oracle]

Thats
What hordes are made of

[bronze glade]

bruisers: am i a joke to you

[zealous ravine]

yeah

[novel oracle]

I mean bonesaw can get some pretty good cleave going and it spreads toxin on each hit
Then theres hyper violence too which scales super crazy with cleave

So bruisers arent really too much different

[bronze glade]

claiming that it's got similar horde clear to the psword?

idk chief

i know bonesaw horde clear can be ok

but psword level?

[zealous ravine]

i think the problem with bonesaw is that its onyl 1 of them

[bronze glade]

also not to mention mixed hordes

[eager reef]

it's better than powersword bc it makes a funny sound when i hit stuff with it

[charred bronze]

I'm skeptical only because I don't really care about poxxies. Just about any decent weapon clears them fine and safely. I'm much more concerned about whether a weapon I have for hordeclear is going to fetch up on the high hitmass elites and bruisers

[zealous ravine]

bonesaw just feels ok to me

[novel oracle]

Its biggest downfall is that it feels like it sucks

[charred bronze]

I haven't used it seriously precisely because I don't like the feel of it.

and like . . . 80% of the reason I play darktide is game feel

[zealous ravine]

gimem a heavier bonesaw mk

it'd be funny

[eager reef]

no it really does feel like it sucks, even when im ripping trhough stuff

[novel oracle]

It doesnt have the punch that matches the damage

[zealous ravine]

it feels like the hits just sl ide off

[eager reef]

tbh none of scum stuff does, compared to arby audio, visual and feel anyway

[bronze glade]

one attack a minute at this rate lol

[zealous ravine]

at least its gonna kill

lmao

probably

[reef spoke]

Ogryn bonesaw when?

[dim moth]

the sound design SUCKS

most pathetic little sound ever

[zealous ravine]

im hoping they add more mks to it

or hive weps in general

[dim moth]

how about...all resources allocated to new class

who will also never receive new marks

[zealous ravine]

yeah ok

i mean if the new class has a 2 hander im fine with that

[dim moth]

and then the shredder autopistol will receive a new mark with more ammo, less damage, and no crit chain

[zealous ravine]

i love the shredder autopistol

i think i've used it once

[dim moth]

fun little gun

diet infantry autogun

[zealous ravine]

guns r usually pretty eepy in this gam sadly

[compact depot]

any1 play scum in h40 here?

[final temple]

nope. everyone is on uprising. game’s got hands after all.

[compact depot]

[dim moth]

it's all desperado

whatever you're asking

[compact depot]

yeah ik it is but what do u do when u got a group of maulers

[dim moth]

shoot them

[compact depot]

takes too long to go though em

[dim moth]

what gun are you using

[compact depot]

autopistols

[zealous ravine]

desperado moment

[zenith pagoda]

Non toxin hivescum is weak against carapace so I wouldn't recommend on rotten

[rancid coral]

actually no

All 3 archtypes are used in H40

I do play them and I do see all of them a lot

my fav is rampage

[compact depot]

yeah but they'll nerf desperado for sure

[rancid coral]

If anything desperado will get buffed

But pickpocket nerfed

pickpocket is the cancer of it all

[compact depot]

man i hope ur right

[rancid coral]

pickpocket is why ranged scum is so degenerate

[zenith pagoda]

Desperado isn't OP, it's useless if you can get pickpocket

[flat lotus]

Yes

[zenith pagoda]

Crate is better instead

[rancid coral]

Desperado with IAG Vraks

is veeery effective

[worn yoke]

its so goooood

[zenith pagoda]

Don't need it

[compact depot]

if they dont nerf desperado we'll get to have more fun

[worn yoke]

i dont get why desperado would be nerfed

[flat lotus]

I play with double autopistols but I've been contemplating vraks

[rancid coral]

I don't think any archtype is needed to triumph with scum in havoc

again I play rampage, desperado and stimm crate

[zenith pagoda]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0a01cdf-5cb3-4c32-ad2b-5f9b312ac6a3/legs-breaker

[rancid coral]

all of em work extremely well

[compact depot]

that takes forever

[rancid coral]

Vraks is just the better option

Sure maybe you won't get MEGA damage if you're in someone's face but

[dim moth]

the fuck are you expecting for 15 havoc 40 maulers

[rain ravine]

Is +15% corruption resistance on relics more useful than +5% hp?

[worn yoke]

its also just a really good feeling gun

[rancid coral]

the fact that you can deal so much dmg from a range

[dim moth]

sorry let me whip out my fucking rocket launcher and one shot them all

[rancid coral]

is so good

[zenith pagoda]

Yes

[compact depot]

thats what im saying i think the best strat is just to go around them and go for gunners

[charred bronze]

I dropped speedloader on the DAPs and use pinning fire instead. Kills maulers quick, even quicker if you line 'em up

[rancid coral]

Gun so fun I even started bringing it on Havoc 40 for Veteran

[worn yoke]

ive started using vraks more than autopistols

i never knew it was that satisfying to use

and snipers are so easy with it

[flat lotus]

Alright I'll bite

[zenith pagoda]

If only scum had bolt gun

[charred bronze]

it's a nice change of pace, but I think the DAPs are better if you're also using vulture's dodge

[flat lotus]

I've never used vraks before though

What's the best build for it

[charred bronze]

it's always been awesome

[worn yoke]

this is what i use idk about the best

[charred bronze]

literally the same as DAPs and used in a similar way

[zenith pagoda]

Iags have bad ammo efficiency that's why you didn't see them in havoc before scum

[dim moth]

no they don't

[flat lotus]

My DAPs are flak/unyielding with blaze away and speedloader

[rancid coral]

I use this but +5% crit chance instead of flak

[worn yoke]

yeah thats reasonable they crit chain well

[dim moth]

iags have excellent ammo efficiency because they have ridiculous damage output

[charred bronze]

use the blessings mosefumi listed

I thought you meant talents

[dim moth]

you don't see them in havocs because the best user of them before scum is veteran, and iags are high investment guns generally

[worn yoke]

vror do you take gunslinger or anarchist

[rancid coral]

I wouldn't call it excellent tho

It's decent, I got to make it work for vet in H40

[dim moth]

arbites and psyker both have good use out of them as well

[rancid coral]

But it's no better than combat shotguns

[charred bronze]

ttk is similar between the two. Easier to get weakspot hits with the vraks though

[rancid coral]

Combat shotguns on vet have mega ammo efficiency

It's so good

I love You Agrapinaa

[dim moth]

You mean Zarona right

[rancid coral]

Kills you

[worn yoke]

what aura do you use for your iag

[dim moth]

I will kill you first due to my superior damage per shot

[rancid coral]

Well on vet ofc scavenger

For Hive Scum, I only bring IAG with a desperado build so the crit aura

[worn yoke]

i see

i'll try crit instead of flak im curious about this

[rancid coral]

Sniping specials is goated for havoc

[charred bronze]

crit aura is a pretty good default for most specs tbh

you can swap to something else if you've got another scum with crit on the squad I guess

[dim moth]

yes that the zarona can also do 👍

imagine a gun having more than one good variant

[rancid coral]

This one better >:3

Get slugged dumbass tox bomber!!!

[charred bronze]

what?

[worn yoke]

vulture mark + desperado + iag = profit

[charred bronze]

no no, for perks use Flak + Unyielding sorry

auras are something else

[worn yoke]

yes vror mentioned using crit instead of flak for perks

[charred bronze]

scum auras are +5 crit, +10 melee damage, and the ammo one

oooh

nm then

[worn yoke]

how do you make enemies in the psykanium h40

[tranquil fjord]

mod

[zealous ravine]

solo play mod

[worn yoke]

goog

was trying rashad with rampage and adren today and it was very fun

bonk to death

i should try heavy sword next

but i dont really know what perks heavy sword takes or would take

deathblow + headtaker would make sense for the blessings tho

probably flak unyielding and let needle pistol take care of carapace?

[vocal saffron]

Deathblow hter

Flakiac

Dump defences

[worn yoke]

iac?

[random shuttle]

Flakiac = Flak + Maniac, but I don't think you need Maniac on Heavy Sword, that thing ADM vs Maniac is already cracked stupid.

[vocal saffron]

Yah

Honestly

Experiment

Flak and unarmored

I played zeal from the ye olde days on release

Flakiac was just like

How u looked 4 perks

Brainrot persists

But hivescum has such a high base crit

[random shuttle]

yeah its fair

[vocal saffron]

Wonder if you could run a rampage build

[random shuttle]

but Flak+Unarmored is likely better if you wanna maximize that Bromentum decapitations

[vocal saffron]

And put unyielding and carapace

Id do flak and unarmored

Yah

[worn yoke]

i'll try flak + unarmored

[vocal saffron]

Kerfus do u have any uh

[worn yoke]

flak + unyielding is MY brainrot

[vocal saffron]

Bone Breaker aura heavy hitter builds

And any rampage hivescum builds

4 me 2 steal

[random shuttle]

Sure

[vocal saffron]

Tooorrbeeeek iiiisss intereeesteeeed

[worn yoke]

kerfus can i steal all your belongings

[random shuttle]

Classic Maximum Unga Bunga

Classy Taunt Flintstone

[worn yoke]

im going to just assume heavy sword is 100% a hyper violence user

mk7 heavysword gaming here i go

[vocal saffron]

Thankz oomf !!

2hich talent is hv again

[random shuttle]

and this is my godlike murdermachien Meleescum

Oops sorry

this one

[worn yoke]

ive been using this for my adren scum

but i might just put back on boombringer

[low harbor]

Unarmored not needed for heavy sword breakpoint

[random shuttle]

even on gunner noggin?

[low harbor]

Don’t think it changes anything

You’re not getting that without Hyperviolence or rampage anyway

[random shuttle]

Fair nuff

[worn yoke]

so what would you pick

[random shuttle]

prolly unyielding

[worn yoke]

also am i dum dum but i see a few people not pick quick and deadly for melee scum i thought it was pretty good

[low harbor]

Unyielding flak since this weapon isn’t that good vs carapace

Quick & deadly is good, not a must have tho

[worn yoke]

i see

[low harbor]

Most melee weapons follow unyielding/flak/carapace

It depends

There’re rare exceptions to this, combat axe & tac axe run unarmored + carapace

[worn yoke]

im gonna try this then for a change because i want more booms

hyperviolence/crit is interchangable just depends on the weapon

[worn yoke]

yeah because they need it for horde break points right?

[low harbor]

Scab bruiser 1 tap

[worn yoke]

thats the one

atrox taxe and rashad caxe are so fun man

[brittle sierra]

try this

I'm still trying to figure out if tertium welcome or Quick and Deadly is better

[idle ore]

rashad

fun

these dont belong in the same sentence gamer

im jk

but that weapon is pretty one dimensional

[brittle sierra]

DS

[unique spire]

Orcka is this your far away cousin

[brittle sierra]

Yes from the Galaxy: Ligma

[worn yoke]

why not both

[unique spire]

I think I killed them

[brittle sierra]

You can't grab both

[brittle sierra]

Impossible

Do you see the shoulders on em?

[worn yoke]

oh i just read it im so dum

[unique spire]

Muscles don't stop warpstone bullets

[worn yoke]

tertium feels more consistent imo

like you're always getting the 15%

[worn yoke]

quick and deadly you're expected to dodge first which is not bad but if i had to pick i feel like tertium gives more consistent results

does that make sense

[brittle sierra]

Yeah but aren't you always dodging?

I'm more wondering if the damage found on all sources will be better in situations where you use both your melee and range

Especially on needle pistol

[worn yoke]

also is stoked rage really not worth it on adren?

[mighty belfry]

If it's for melee build, tertium is much better

[worn yoke]

you are but idk you arent always proccing the dodge perks

[mighty belfry]

Because it has to be a "successful" dodge.

[worn yoke]

tertium has so much uptime

[brittle sierra]

What about crate build?

[worn yoke]

oh also orcka i saw you removed stoked rage for sample collector

but what stim are you using to need or want it

i use full cdr

[brittle sierra]

I don't take full CDR because there isn't enough points

[mighty belfry]

Eh. It depends. I usually run Tertium anyway but I run more melee heavy crate builds so don't take my word for it.

[worn yoke]

what is your stim then

mine is just this

[brittle sierra]

For crate build?

[worn yoke]

rampage adren

[brittle sierra]

Wait I'm confused I thought you wanted me to take 4 stacks of dependency

[worn yoke]

im referring to this

[brittle sierra]

Oh this is my stimm:

[worn yoke]

ah ok that makes much more sense with sample collector then

but i WILL keep my boombringer

[brittle sierra]

Your build can easily grab it

[worn yoke]

i guess stoked rage not being a good keystone modifier makes sense because you stack adren quickly

[brittle sierra]

Stoked rage isn't that good especially in higher difficulties due to how easy it is with smiter to get the stacks

[worn yoke]

i will try your variation but keeping tertium over quick and deadly

[worn yoke]

yeah you make a good point i agree

[brittle sierra]

Smiter is just giga broken as a talent, there isn't a situation you don't take it unless you go bonesaw

[worn yoke]

i still think smiter and assassin shouldnt exist and smiter should just be apart of the keystone normally

[brittle sierra]

Assassin I think can be useful on shivs, but the only use case it will be good for is on bosses

[worn yoke]

yeah

[brittle sierra]

Smiter is just better in every other situation unless you are being crammed into a wall by crushers and bosses

[worn yoke]

trueing

[main trellis]

Bosses only tbh; you stop crushers anyways

Oh nvm

[limber cradle]

How does Unload interact with Blaze Away and Pinning Fire?

Like is Unload calculated before or after the strength bonuses

Or does it even matter

[worn gull]

ay killjoys whats the best autogun for desperado

[limber cradle]

Vraks

[unique spire]

The one that shoots faster

[worn gull]

braced?

[limber cradle]

On that I am unsure

If I had to bet, agri

[worn gull]

Oh no I meant, 'you mean vraks on braced'? Or is it infantry

[limber cradle]

Infantry

[worn gull]

Ah cool. And I'm guessing dumdum + some other close range thing

[limber cradle]

I do dum dum+deathspitter iirc

[worn gull]

carapace + unyielding or carpace + flak ya think

[worn yoke]

dum dum fire frenzy pretty good

this mine

crit chance can be flak btw

crit chance is something im trying from vror

[mighty belfry]

You want crit chance because of crit strings.

5% crit chance doesn't actually mean 5% of your shots.

[worn yoke]

yes i know

i was running flak unyielding which is pretty good but vror told me to try crit chance instead of flak

im enjoying it

iirc the autopistols doesnt string crits right?

[mighty belfry]

Yeah. Crit chance actually provides way more returns on vraks iag than other weapons.

[mighty belfry]

They do.

[worn yoke]

oh?

[icy scaffold]

Pretty sure they don’t

[idle ore]

pretty sure the dual autos dont

[worn yoke]

atleast when i was shooting in psykanium it looked like after each crit it had to have a normal hit in between

[icy scaffold]

One of the YouTubers showed off that they don’t chain crit

[idle ore]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[idle ore]

yea its very easy to test and see for urself

[icy scaffold]

So IAG just stays winning

[idle ore]

the duals have high dps tho

even without it

[worn yoke]

im not a numbers guy so i cant tell how big of an impact it would be if they allowed autopistols to chain crit

[icy scaffold]

IAG has higher dps and crit chains

Then add onto the fact that Hive Scum can get an additional like 40-50% more crit (probably more)

[mighty belfry]

Oh dual autos dont

Shredder auto does.

[mighty belfry]

Probably not great because dual autos in general don't have great finesse.

[sonic pumice]

So leaning into crits hard is more for the shredder and IAG, so the dual autos can take something else? Is there a "something else"?

[tender marten]

did anyone ever work out exactly how long the MKII neestol debuff lasts for the special explosion

cause i just know it lasts for much longer than the dot itself

[worn yoke]

id like stubs to have armor pen so they stand out and arent a worse autopistol

[icy scaffold]

No, not really. Dual autos get sprint while shooting built in though. Otherwise IAG is just better

[limber cradle]

idk

IAG defo better at range

but like

Macs synergize with what Scum wants to be doing better imo

which is mobile in your face damage

[icy scaffold]

Feels like there’s always enough enemies in range ngl

[charred bronze]

Yeah IAG is not strictly superior, at all

[trim wind]

Ah but dual autos look cool and therefore are better

[limber cradle]

you can also literally just use Vraks on vet and do more with it

[worn yoke]

notice how no one wants to mention stubs #buffthestubs

[icy scaffold]

So what you’re saying is that Scum needs buffs 😎

[limber cradle]

cause theyre mediocre

[trim wind]

Stub pistols are fine, but yea autos just do way more

Fun weapon just not amazing

[worn yoke]

give stubs armor pen

make the alt fire armor pen even better

[limber cradle]

just make the crit bonuses on them not weaker than every other weapon with those

thatd be a good start

[sonic pumice]

I imagine that the perk that makes you dodge when sliding works better with the dual than with iag

[limber cradle]

it does

IAG kills your mobility

[icy scaffold]

It also just kills

[limber cradle]

If you like it you like it

I just don't think it's the straight up best option no questions asked

[icy scaffold]

It pretty much is unless you really value that extra mobility. Agri braced is a nice sidegrade though

[limber cradle]

Yes

I value the extra mobility

On the class that synergizes and benefits with extra mobility

[icy scaffold]

For me jittery and nimble are plenty enough, plus I got shivs in the back pocket

[charred bronze]

I ran the vraks a bunch. Then I put pinning and blaze on my DAPs. They do everything the vraks does except long range accuracy, but deal with hordes better and have better mobility, and at double the fire rate and higher base crit, work better with vulture's dodge

The vraks is awesome. It's not better than the DAPs

[sonic pumice]

Proof that the undervalued prestige of running around hunting specials and swarms in full display, honestly the dual a.guns are really good on this department and you can net psyker levels of damage

[charred bronze]

Yeah that's sidearm stuff though. People wanna john woo around with them on despo

[icy scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/dakka-tabletop-dungeoneers-discord-orcs-irks-gif-22814163

[charred bronze]

And the needler does sidearm stuff better in many respects, including dealing superbly with armor so

[limber cradle]

this is also basically my experience

[charred bronze]

That still leaves stubs in an awkward place. Shit if I wanna snap shot elites and specials, the revolver is better at that

[limber cradle]

used vraks cause some people i consider knowledgeable like it

went back to DAPs

[worn yoke]

whats the best heavy sword mk and whats the point of the alt fire on mk7

[icy scaffold]

Make stubs have auto fire and give them like 3-4 cleave

[worn gull]

Whacky that stubs are less accurate than DAP honestly

[azure scroll]

So the pinned comment with the links to the shiv build isn't loading for me. What blessings work well with shivs?

[limber cradle]

the norm is uncanny/riposte

[brittle sierra]

It's the same as knives

Uncanny/riposte

[azure scroll]

Ah, thanks.

[final temple]

uncanny and either riposte (sub 70 crit) or precog (above 70 crit)

[limber cradle]

np

[tranquil fjord]

is run and gun viable on the daps?

[limber cradle]

Yes but you really don't need it

[azure scroll]

Is there a way to quickly determine how much crit you have, or do you need to go through all the talents one by one?

[icy scaffold]

Daps have half the blessing built in (the running while gunning part)

[final temple]

without mods you have to do manual counting.

[tranquil fjord]

i can understand blaze and pinning simply being better for damage

[azure scroll]

Ah, thank.s

[tranquil fjord]

do the daps really need the extra accuracy, would it help for weakspots

[charred bronze]

tbf, the vraks is awesome on despo. The DAPs just edge then out for me, especially if you slot both damage blessings

My biggest issue, and I've said this before, is that despo thrives on mag dumps. The vraks rewards controlled bursts of fire and that just doesn't play as well into the strengths of the spec.

If you're not running vulture's mark and dodge, that changes the calculus. Maybe IAG works well with one of those despo + dependency builds?

[final temple]

it's 10% baseline for scum. your weapons also can have an innate crit bonus, usually between 5-15%

[icy scaffold]

Having 30% crit rate that chains before accounting for float or the weapon’s innate crit rate is pretty nice

[limber cradle]

The voice in my head is trying to tell me to force right pathing on desp scum again

[icy scaffold]

Daps should chain crit

[limber cradle]

It wouldn't even matter imo

[charred bronze]

I prefer that they don't. Spreads out vodge activations

[limber cradle]

The dodge activation never ends anyway

[icy scaffold]

Vraks autocrits 2 more times after the initial crit right?

[charred bronze]

And they have about double the fire rate anyway, and I think a 5% crit bonus instead of a base -2% crit penalty

Honestly the DAPs are an insanely good weapon with the fatal flaw of ridiculous ammo inefficiency which pickpocket and despo handle neatly. They wouldn't be as good on any other class imo

[worn yoke]

i see

[charred bronze]

I think that's just a feature of IAGs? Unsure

[worn yoke]

i guess for elites on heavy sword i do block attack heavy

[icy scaffold]

I couldn’t remember if it was one or two off the top of my head. It’s 2 extra for IAG and 1 extra for recon las I think.

[worn yoke]

when vrak chain crits its 3 crits in total

[icy scaffold]

Also you can stack more crit in high difficulties by running crit stim crate instead of desperado

Since you’ll always have a pickpocket target handy

[novel oracle]

You can get a rough estimate without mods
What you wont be able to find out from stat nodes and buff uptime are class and (most) weapon base crit chance

For example hive scum has 10% base but ogryn has 2.5%

[hardy maple]

makes sense that a class with a build towards crit would have more chance to crit even if they dont broadcast it, either way you can definitely tell if you're llistening for the crit sounds

[novel oracle]

Weapons with crit bonus stats can have their crit inherent listed, like taxe at 12% (at 80% stat)

But other weapons have other things like knife having 15% all the time, and shivs having 12.5%

Dual autopistols have 5%

And infantry autos have -2%

But inf autos have crit chains and dual autos dont so its give and take

[hardy maple]

what do the stub pistols have?

[novel oracle]

I dont remember, they werent even working till recently

Like the crit boost stat did nothing before

Displayed nothing too

[hardy maple]

why are we forced to live like this

[novel oracle]

I actually learned something not long ago
Darktide crits are NOT random

Its not pure chance

[faint fossil]

Holy shit is it painful to get a vet that doesn't know when to stop shooting

he killed my ass by shooting bursters twice

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/794801623036854302/1165501685792251924/crumple.gif

[limber cradle]

thank you darktide very cool

[hardy maple]

https://tenor.com/view/dalek-explain-doctor-who-gif-5490200

[novel oracle]

Tide crit chance is pseudo random

Its really confusing

But it takes a smaller chunk of your crit and will use that as the base, then add that chance again until you do land a crit

Making it literally impossible for it to go like hundreds of hits without a crit as a statistical miracle

[brittle sierra]

so I did a bunch of games with uptime,

quickndeadly on all my 25 minute+ auric games is 20%-40% uptime

[novel oracle]

This is why you dont fee much of a difference between like 30-40% crit vs super crit maxing with 80% or something

[brittle sierra]

all same exact crate build

[tranquil fjord]

gameslantern says "Melee Critical Chance: [0.01 - 0.06]"

i guess that it would be added onto scum's base

[limber cradle]

Its very reliable ime, esp with vultures being autododge

[novel oracle]

Granted 80% is going to get you more crits
But because of this system it may be like 40-50% more crits despite being 100% more crit (vaguely, this comparison isnt remotely data based other than just general understanding of how the system works)

[worn yoke]

YEOWCH heavy sword lights do like nothing against elites heavy only it is

[lapis raft]

does that system only go one way? as that looks like they tried to implement entropy based system but only to prevent unlucky streaks when system like that should prevent both

[brittle sierra]

but is it better than welcome? 🤔

I can't get an "uptime" analysis on both unfortunately

[limber cradle]

that i cannot tell you

[brittle sierra]

for range, obviously quickndeadly is better

[limber cradle]

i dont think id ever not take float tbh

[novel oracle]

Most heavy sword attacks are strikedowns, even if their angle doesnt suggest it whereas the lights are cleavy attacks so that makes sense

[brittle sierra]

I meant quick

mb

[worn yoke]

yeah im trying heavy sword rampage scum

mk7 seems to be the best so far

[limber cradle]

im never not taking that either tbh

[brittle sierra]

they both have about the same uptime obviously

[brittle sierra]

@low harbor what do you think? is there a way to calculate the difference between the 2 talents?

[novel oracle]

In that example above, 66% crit chance starts out at 49.2% for the first hit in reality, so you could get really lucky but youd need lots of crit to keep it going on a luck streak

[rancid coral]

"the vraks rewards controlled bursts"

Weak, learn the recoil on ADS!!!

[limber cradle]

how many shots do DAPs put out in 1 second?

[azure scroll]

It feels like it would be hard to get to 3 stacks of dependency. Or at higher level do you just have a shorter cd?

[low harbor]

between which 2 talents?

[worn yoke]

my ass is holding m1 and just aiming the spray

[brittle sierra]

quick and deadly, and tertium welcome

[worn gull]

The talent that restores 1% of stim on kill on higher difficulties you'll be killing enough to make the CD pretty short

[novel oracle]

Wait till people learn that holding down the trigger lessens the recoil

Even for vigilants too

[azure scroll]

Oh, true. I didn't think of that.

[tranquil fjord]

whats the name of the mod that shows crit chance

[novel oracle]

Show crit chance

Yes it really is that

[tranquil fjord]

youd think these basic features would simply already be in the game, or at least sanctioned mods by this point

[zealous ravine]

sanctioned mods don exist for dt

[worn yoke]

i wish true level was a vanilla feature

[zealous ravine]

im liking that the 2 past updates have actually added some mods to the gam

talent tree ux and show dodge counter

[worn yoke]

yuup

[zealous ravine]

next chatblock please 🙏

[worn yoke]

can stimm countdown also be one

[rancid coral]

And crit chance

[worn yoke]

can we put vror in the game too

[rancid coral]

What

[worn yoke]

sorry vror you're being digitized now

[rancid coral]

The amazing digital darktide

[lapis raft]

aah missed the initial value being lower. alright so that then averages out to basically exactly the stated value then

[main trellis]

Not hard; use sample collector & kill - pop stimm, pay attention to your stacks
Ez

[icy scaffold]

ADS? We hipfiring all day bruh

[main trellis]

Digital Devil Saga

[novel oracle]

id assume the entire thing is just discarded and forces a crit when you reach 100% otherwise that would fucking suck lmfao

[novel oracle]

have not even remotely touched

[icy scaffold]

Aiming is for veteran, Scum is hitting via volume of fire

[main trellis]

Its… well, good - like any Atlus game centered around megaten universe

[low harbor]

tertium welcome imo

[brittle sierra]

what about for crate toxin build?

[low harbor]

same deal

[compact oyster]

Atlus reusing every demon from smt and then calling it a dofferent game

[main trellis]

Still a banger
Especially the OST & characters

[compact oyster]

I can guarantee you jack frost is in metaphor

[main trellis]

I mean its its mascot cmon

[winter tusk]

Mk3 knife is ridiculous in auric, rampage adrenaline, some stacks of uncanny. Everything is 1shot, crushers maybe 2. Still not quite as busted as 1shotting 2 crushers with shivs but pretty insane

Pretty brainless

[worn yoke]

most important part of combat blade

speeeed

[rancid coral]

Wasting vraks potential, these scum smh

[icy scaffold]

Just be point blank

[zealous ravine]

hip firing has more aura

[vocal saffron]

Hey can u hold this 4 me

Thnx

[brittle sierra]

Thanks for the meal

[vocal saffron]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/forsaken2024/images/b/bd/AberrantElliotKillAnim.gif/revision/latest?cb=20251230133653

[final temple]

As New Years is approaching I’m gonna drop a bombshell: I enjoy bonesaw more than shivs.

[brittle sierra]

We all have our opinions

Now face the wall

[vast ferry]

they need to buff that saw

https://tenor.com/view/critical-role-divergence-exu-it's-so-bad-brennan-lee-mulligan-gif-5138003985067813614

[trim wind]

https://tenor.com/view/dropout-gamechanger-yes-or-no-brennan-lee-mulligan-conspiracy-gif-21408611

[brittle sierra]

Will it happen???

No

[vast ferry]

now now, anything can happen where dlc $$$ is involved 😏

[manic wolf]

Happy new year, scum 😄

[mighty belfry]

I honestly don't think it's that bad

It just

Feels bad.

Like it's clearly doing stuff but it doesn't have the oomph to tell you it is.

[zealous ravine]

its doing stuff maybe who knows

[mighty belfry]

I do like it honestly

Even if shivs are clearly just the superior choice unfortunately

[zealous ravine]

it looks very cool but using it feels quite lackluster...

[unreal stirrup]

carapace on hsword lmao

[unreal stirrup]

talent tree ux only for specific node and dodge counter is alway -1 compare to actual dodge efficiency lol

but it look betyer than modded dodge counter

[zealous ravine]

no idea why it has -1 dodge

[mighty belfry]

There's a reason for it

Carapace is unironically not a bad choice for hs on scum

Possibly the only class where it isn't actually.

[marsh locust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf9wSWZshDM

[hardy maple]

Ip grabber!

[woeful hill]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1241878072605540508/1324137193421148211/media-iv-text.gif

[marsh locust]

excuse the quality yt tryna keep a yung scum down

[woeful hill]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf9wSWZshDM

he's scumming it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1271944046474035310.gif?v=1&size=48&quality=lossless

[near mauve]

3 braincells shared among my team

[alpine junco]

You are using all 3 of them looks like

[near mauve]

wrong i was using 2

[exotic temple]

I think if they made the bones saw toxin make people pop like the chem bomb does it would add more visual umph

[viral furnace]

If only you had more Ogryns 😔

[dim moth]

it's unironically very strong but god it feels like SHIT

[real python]

[vast ferry]

honestly, other than the guaranteed tox proc to save that one tox on crit talent point, what does the saw do better than the other metas?
single target it's shit compared to the shiv
clear it's shit compared to taxe

https://tenor.com/view/mark-wahlberg-smh-shake-head-no-nope-gif-17582268

[mighty belfry]

It fuels sample collector way more consistently.

And that's genuinely valuable in Havoc specifically for crate builds.

[dim moth]

also the bonesaw takes far less investment than shivs/taxe to do good damage because of the toxin

it mostly just needs cleave and you're golden

so on crate/gun builds it still kinda just does bonesaw things

[mighty belfry]

You can just throw it on and use the one battering talent and you're set.

[real python]

but you lose all the mobility bonus of the class

[mighty belfry]

Its really not that slow.

Just put on nimble and you're fine lmao

[real python]

compared to shiv or knife yee its slow

[exotic temple]

Also if you are putting dots in things with the needle gun the saw just refreshes the duration of the tox stacks

[mighty belfry]

Well yeah. Doesn't mean it's bad.

Shivs and knife are complete outliers in mobility. That's not saying much.

[rancid coral]

Nimble and Jittery is all the mobility you need

Like literally

[real python]

idk the whole kit seems movement and mobility centered

[rancid coral]

Nimble + Jittery clutches games better than Zealot LOL

[deft gust]

make it a burning weapon for zealot and it would be much better

[supple torrent]

Me praying to the dark gods that fat shark swaps jittery with tis but a scratch

[rancid coral]

Does it matter really what build doesn't take tis but a scratch

[supple torrent]

Gun scum doesnt really need it

I swapped out of TBAS a while ago and I hardly notice the difference cus jittery+nimble avoids gunners

[mighty belfry]

Yes. But you don't need the highest mobility weapons for a class with several talents that pretty much allow you to have fast mobility anyway.

[flat mist]

"Just" implying it doesn't add stacks?

[final temple]

why?

[flat mist]

Outside of left side and nimble scum doesn't have any mobility talents

[mighty belfry]

It's literally all you need.

Also, jittery counts since it lessens downtime on dodge recovery which actually makes nimble even more effective at making you faster.

[supple torrent]

If you don't rely on TBAS it saves a point. With nimble+jittery on desperado/VD gunners arent a big deal.

[zealous ravine]

middle path of DOOOM

the middle part of the tree isnt real

[supple torrent]

Honestly I've been swapping out more of the hard "DR"/toughness regen talents for more dodge talents the more I play

[near mauve]

i cant get used to nimple it fkn yoinks me all over the place

im too used to dogshit dodges on two handers

[final temple]

slippery is right next to it which allows aggressive slides and bypassing melee spawns

[supple torrent]

Does slippery work on crusher overheads?

[novel oracle]

No

Theyre actually aoe

Which is why they can be dragged into you

[supple torrent]

cri. I do enjoy it cus sometimes I forget to switch to melee while sliding.

[near mauve]

sticky hands feels like bait i dont notice anything

[limber cradle]

I notice not having it tbh

At least on Macs and .45s

[mighty belfry]

Triple barrel shotgun

You 100% will notice it.

[eager surge]

I swear there are times I totally forget I even have the RPG equipped.

Half way into fighting a plague Ogryn and I’m thinking: “If only I had something that could hit it harder…”

[loud herald]

i'm the opposite with blackout nades, I use them too much lol

[dim moth]

if you're already halfway into it why even waste the rocket

[loud herald]

and then I run out when I actually need them

[tranquil berry]

I'd rather use the rockets as a bulwark wall delete button than a boss killer, boss damage is too easy without it anyway

but 6 bulwark kills with 1 rocket is tasty

[loud herald]

why do rocket on boss when you can stab boss in face with shivs

[tranquil berry]

sure, but why do anything to anyone when you can just stab them in the face with shivs....

in the game I mean... in the game...

[loud herald]

in minecraft

[flat mist]

Does Calling for a Time Out not appear on the buff bar for anyone else? It works in the psykhanium but it doesnt display in mission at all. I created a seperate buff bar for it with Better Buff Management and the issue persists

[supple torrent]

at that point couldnt you go pocket toxin blackout?

or just blackout on their own opens up up just fine for me

[tropic crag]

the blackout is like... ok against bulwarks but probably its weakest since their shields can stop alot of it... or if they get flinched before you throw it

i still use blackouts against bulwarks but its not as reliable as like... everything else you can use blackouts against

[tranquil berry]

1 rocket removes the problem. Sure I can kill them any number of ways, but big boom is the fastest, and most satisfying. Fuck bulwark walls.

[tropic crag]

is it even happening without any buff management mod installed? i don't have any builds that use it and i would assume alot of builds skip it so maybe no one noticed

[supple torrent]

For me im always worried about grenade economy for the rest of the team. Its nice being able to spam blackouts into problems

without worrying about nade uptime

[tropic crag]

yeah i like grenades that come back because i forget to use the ones that don't come back

[tranquil berry]

when you have grenades as OP as the rocket or chem, it's your team that should be concerned with economy and making sure you have enough

[astral canyon]

Yeah its gotten to the point where the only one who is comparable in terms of how good their blitzes are is vet

[supple torrent]

Trusting team is asking for alot, But I'd rather avoid competing with vets or ogryns.

And the occasional arbites

[astral canyon]

And their blitzes are hard carried by their ability to print out a fuckton of them tbh

[tranquil berry]

all grenades go to rocket/chem scums now. Oggy nuke is objectively worse than even 1 rocket, nvm 4, and the box is just CC which the big man mostly doesn't need, vet gets massive regens of what are still weaker grenades, zealots are 99% throwing knives cause flame is mid and stun is just preparing for failure, and arby should be dog-splosion or regening nades anyway, and as OP as pocket-smite can be... nothing's quite like 4 rocket/chem

[rancid coral]

Yesterday I had a havoc game with 2 scums, one of them told the other "maybe let me have some of the grenades instead of picking everything"

The other one responded "then maybe ask {f slur}"

[tranquil berry]

ok, as long as the slur was present, that IS in fact a normal interaction. nothing to see here

[astral canyon]

Ngl there should be a voicewheel callout for blitzes like there is for healing and ammo

[eager surge]

Exactly. Still feels awkward though lmao

[rancid coral]

Average Havoc game

[ripe seal]

can't you see if someone's low on nades with hte deafult hud? its like the default ammo indiicator where it gives a vague "full, slow, empty" sorta thing but its at least there

[tropic crag]

it goes white>yellow>orange>red>grey to indicate it

[flat mist]

It wasn't appearing for me so I then reinstalled better buff management

I haven't tried no mods, but I didn't have any on directly related to buffs

[tropic crag]

huh... probably no one noticed, i wonder if its a visual bug or a bug where its not proccing

because i think alot of people skip the node, at least i would guess

[frigid sluice]

whats the combos for heavy sword mk vii

[dawn portal]

L1 > H2 for hordes, you can also just mash lights if you are feeling lazy. H1 > Special for single targets

[bronze glade]

the lights are very bad

[dim moth]

the hint is in the name

heavy sword

[dawn portal]

Sometimes you just want to pretend like you are doing something while your team is getting railed. Just mash lights in a horde for those times

[jaunty trellis]

For the mk7 H1 into Special does everything pretty well
You H1 into L2 works for horde especially if you have some hyperviolence built up
And push attack into H2 is great single target, especially for things like ogryn/monstrosities where the angled H1 can hit the body by mistake

[dawn portal]

I thought mk7 was the one with a overhead H1, but I could be wrong

[jaunty trellis]

Yeah that's the 6

[drowsy whale]

does anyone have a good havoc 40 build?

[tropic crag]

i think the meta is box and tox for the corruption clear and the tox does well against the rotten armor atm, but you can get away with other things tbh

[dim moth]

desperado is the strongest, but stimm supply is a valuable option if blight spreads is on the mission for corruption immunity

+tox kills rotten armor damage reduction

[prime violet]

"Hey scum can you equip crate?" /leaves

[eager reef]

https://tenor.com/view/green-explosion-skaven-gif-9272053709133071409

Me taking crate with only toughness in my stim

[dim moth]

death

[eager reef]

I did that for awhile to do that stupid penance

Mind you it was only in malice runs where I let myself get slapped to farm it out

Still sucked

[candid flare]

Tougness + Regen for immediately after rampage

[thorny ginkgo]

powderburn or speedload?

[dim moth]

...pinning fire

[lavish bronze]

i run pinning speedload

works fine

[candid flare]

Trusted playtester said blaze & speed

[idle ocean]

Blaze away pinning fire is muy good

[candid flare]

Especially if desperado

[idle ocean]

why would you need more reload speed tho when u alr get a shit ton from the tree?

[lavish bronze]

morebullets down range

profit

[candid flare]

I don't use it idk.
Just repeating what I heard from what I consider to be an authority

[idle ocean]

Different philosophies ig

I see dmg number go up I get happy

[lavish bronze]

i dont see anything

modless

[idle ocean]

Same I’m on console

Must not be gamin long/hard enough to see them in your head smh 😔✊

[acoustic quail]

trying to get to use the shivs bcs i heard theyre good

any nodes or blessings i should build around em

[brittle sierra]

Uncanny and Riposte is the standard blessings

[acoustic quail]

is lacerate worth it?

sounds like cheap extra dots

[novel oracle]

That guy sounds stupid

[brittle sierra]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[acoustic quail]

i also want to try different builds but desperado uzis is so fun

[brittle sierra]

What kind of build?

[fast wind]

poison or melee I imagine, those tend to be the other scum builds

or different ranged like stub pistols

I'm in a similar boat desperado autopistols are good fun though I've done all the penances

[brittle sierra]

Poison isn't really a build unfortunately 😔 due to bonesaw ending up being cheeks in higher difficulties

It's crate

[fast wind]

needle pistols sorta good though and chem grenade is really good

[brittle sierra]

Needle Pistol you can use in any build

Hell it is kinda funny with Desperado

[fast wind]

I like the saw on my desperado built it's fun to have such a chunky melee, shame it's not amazing but when I'm mainly using the autopistols anyway it isnt bad as a side weapon

[dim moth]

the saw is good though

it just feels like SHIT to use

[fast wind]

ah then I'm in the boat that likes that it feels shit

it gets stuck on things like its how something serrated like that would do in a sense gives good feedback in my opinion

[dim moth]

oh I think it feels like shit because of its sound design

[fast wind]

that can do it with some stuff

[zenith fern]

Chainaxe on scum goes bonkers, i did not thought it would be quite this fun

[fast wind]

I like larger weapons the fact the scum got a lot of mid size to small ones was a bit disapointing for the melee aspect

saying that on arbites I like the baton rather than the shock maul

[livid raven]

the bonesaw might aswell be a large weapon considering how slow it makes you

[flat mist]

The bonesaw is so weird

Brittleness mode does like twice as much damage before brittleness is even applied (or at max brittleness debuff stacks)

To targets that are affected by rending

[fast elk]

Hello fellow Hive Scummers

[muted pivot]

be the conductor of the poop train you always knew you deserved to be

[zenith fern]

Most smart desperado player

[fleet lantern]

Still no Scum cosmetics, I see. I think we need to team up with the Arbites and figure something out, here.

[verbal terrace]

I saw one dodge out of and back into the same crusher overhead.
There was nothing else around him.

[wild marsh]

My name is Water Cartel White.

I live at 308 housing facility aboard the mourningstar, this is my confession.

[lapis raft]

desperado players letting go of left click? never!

also another chainaxe scum enjoyer

[verbal terrace]

Believe it or not a lot have to do that constantly.

[zenith fern]

started using it yesterday and is really fun

[lapis raft]

https://tenor.com/view/kto-kounotori-kounotoritoken-lbow-storkholders-gif-25676483

[wild marsh]

I just feel like popping poxbusters instead of pushing them is a serious social faux pas

Unless they're very far away and you have an accuracy weapon

[verbal terrace]

The deagles aren't full auto

You have to give yourself carpel tunnel in order to get the most out of them

Definitely worth it

[wild marsh]

I'll have to try it out

I used to be a chainaxe zealot but after my hiatus and several updates/patches it feels like they reworked it and it's way weaker

[lapis raft]

gotta spread the emperors love

[unreal stirrup]

kid named skitarius

[lapis raft]

also yea for deagles i would just use skitarius

[wild marsh]

At least against large targets - it used to do a lot of damage to monstrosities and one shot crushers even in auric and havoc

[verbal terrace]

I do not touch the modding scene

[wild marsh]

Now it doesn't anymore 😔

[verbal terrace]

Mostly because every time I do I end up breaking something

[lapis raft]

but also why are they so slow smh

[dusk wagon]

What is this? It looks interesting.

[zenith fern]

Is there any mods that helps to lower the audio of the chain weapons?

[low harbor]

what mod does this

[zenith fern]

Chainaxe noises so loud that it gets me disabled or hit hard because the game does not catch up with other noises

[mighty belfry]

havoc pubs are brutal

like particularly so

this season

[vast yoke]

i forgot about that cus i just used mods to make it full auto

[vast yoke]

the modifiers have been torturous past 3 weeks especially for scum players

[mighty belfry]

it's not even that

i'm just talking like

the randoms that are just

i was doing a 28 and the person hosting

had the situational awareness of a plank

[lapis raft]

my mod its not rly published anywhere other than github mostly because its barely usable xd

[mighty belfry]

and actively sabotaged the run lmao

[vast yoke]

i think it's survivorship bias, the average good player has either 1: a premade team, 2: just playing 40, or 3: actively avoiding the havoc

[lapis raft]

https://github.com/deathbeam/darktide-mods/tree/main/WeaponStats

[vast yoke]

so the randoms you're matched with are the ones not actively dodging, not at 40, that have no friends to premake with

[mighty belfry]

like dont get me wrong it doesnt harm me since i can't actually demote

but holy cow

oh and they didn't know how rituals worked

[vast yoke]

h

how

[mighty belfry]

i dont know

[vast yoke]

at 28??

[mighty belfry]

but basically

they rushed a daemonhost while the other three of us got sandwiched by a horde

[lapis raft]

the pattern in my havoc experience lately is when my rpgs run out my team just completely folds usually

as they cant deal with anything with rotten armor xd

[mighty belfry]

of course this went very badly

and they got mad and asked why we didn't go for the daemonhost

which literally all three of us said they shouldn't have done that

[vast yoke]

yk rotten armor isn't so bad if it wasn't final toll half the time

[lapis raft]

nah man i need to remember to actually charge my mouse it ran out of battery mid mission again sadge

[final temple]

you silly kids with your wireless peripherals.

cabled all the way. even my wifi is cabled.

all cable all the way

[lavish bronze]

yeah cabled are better

no need to charge stuff

sometimes i need to pur some elctricity from the bucket

[final temple]

blessed be the electron flow

[fast surge]

I have a wireless mouse that charges on the mousepad

[final temple]

innovation?!

heresy!

[fast surge]

It's all the qol of wireless without the downside

[pallid quail]

do europeans rly keep their electricity in buckets ?

in america we use cans. much more civilized

[lavish bronze]

sometimes barrels or 1000l tanks

[pallid quail]

imagine not using a 264 gallon tank

[austere coyote]

I just have a big trough for mine

[idle ore]

A lot of players don’t know how rituals work

Or that there’s different tick rates

[flat mist]

anyone got a rampage bonesaw build they can post?

idk if HV is worth

[random shuttle]

Darktide is like

best game

to get angry at! 😄

[zenith fern]

Why you so angry about? EH?

[random shuttle]

silent poxbursters

[spice cloud]

Bonesaw is best with stimm supply imo

[signal nebula]

ye, i wouldn't run Rampage with Bonesaw personally

[exotic temple]

I love bonesaw rampage

I have a meme build using it but it’s probably my favorite to run

[exotic temple]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0866d3e-3c47-4974-bf09-b17f7013e579/corpse-grinder-cultist

It’s not super optimized but it’s fun

Also forges bellow and targeted toxins make bosses a joke

[foggy phoenix]

Does slippery customer also work on crusher/mauler overheads?

[main trellis]

No; maybe not sure - Vultures does not

I don’t slide in range of overheads expecting not to get hit

[foggy phoenix]

It's a kind of desperate measure in the event you get cornered

[low harbor]

disable tracking, yes

[foggy phoenix]

Hypothetically, you'd just dodge slide overheads

I want to know if it would serve that purpose, or it'd just be a wasted point