hivescum-class

[jaunty sail]

In fact might join you

Anything for common sense of accomplishment as a team even if it’s ritualistic suicidal

Man I am so happy with this class

It literally made game fun again

Me a crackhead gets to play a crackhead

Life is a dream

[slim mesa]

Heh

I never quit

Just to have a laugh out of people trying to save me

[supple torrent]

naah missed opportunity chem dependency doesnt feel like a cripppling drug addiction

[jaunty sail]

Because you are a fellow crackhead

Crackbongs don’t give up

[slim mesa]

Nah, I just like to see how the team instantly struggles without me

[jaunty sail]

I met a crackhead player who was running hive scum with deagles and was just existing

Literally didn’t shoot or hit anything

Just throwing blind grenades

I joined him in the act and it was hilarious

We made it to the end and finished the mission on behalf of our ogryn and a psyker

[supple torrent]

ahh throwing the ole poop grenade

[slim mesa]

I simply enjoy doing the knife go brrrrr

I mean

In all classes I played

Aka Zealot/Arbites/Psyker/HS

[jaunty sail]

Hive scum hits differently with a knife

Wild English chav

Good old ol sout London shanking

[slim mesa]

Maxed Relic Sword on Zealot is a worthy contender to a knifestorm that HS can produce

Both are just activate ability > run into a crowd and spam attacks until everything dies

Difference is with zealot you just kill everything and HS needs a bit more work with carapace

[brittle sierra]

when I play psyker, I have to let myself get blown up to take damage

[supple torrent]

chuck poison knife then stab.

[brittle sierra]

Fatshark gonna buff psyker again

I can smell it coming

[slim mesa]

I smell the new batch of chem is cooking

If HS got its own subtree

I could see other classes also getting them

[brittle sierra]

Scum will get "buffs" in the form of bug fixes

[slim mesa]

Especially Arbites for the dog and psyker

[brittle sierra]

that's 100% confirmed

[brittle sierra]

no dont touch psyker

please dont

unironically

[modest patio]

Do zealots still run their charge or are they all on the pushback

[slim mesa]

Buff the psyker

[brittle sierra]

no

[slim mesa]

I use just the charge

Relic is okay-ish, but I prefer being able to kill instead of just stun

[supple torrent]

charge for fun, but chorus just works for the team.

[slim mesa]

chorus does what for who?

[modest patio]

I need a new build to run and I quit before relic sword so maybe I’ll give zealot some reps.

[slim mesa]

There is me, Emperor and the heretics.

[modest patio]

That or maybe a knife HS

[brittle sierra]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a01cc87e-6363-4b7d-9e7c-2c5a8a252036/is-stealth-meta-now?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

relic blade???

never heard of em

[slim mesa]

Relic Sword is insane when built well

[modest patio]

have a build you'd like to share?

[brittle sierra]

I just did 😭

[slim mesa]

Maybe, but I wouldn't call it meta

You want a meta build, look above

[modest patio]

had stealth in the title I assume it's shroud lol

[slim mesa]

Mine is purely for untapped fun

[brittle sierra]

yeah and?

😊

relic, just like hammer, can one shot a captain

[modest patio]

So you pop shroudfield run behind him and try to bonk it before someone else resets the shield

[brittle sierra]

si senor

just make sure to turn on the sword when you do it

[modest patio]

idk about trying to position behind bosses, but ill give it a try

[brittle sierra]

u have stealth

[modest patio]

packs get dense in 40

[charred bronze]

With shroud+martyr?

Shroud+IJ can one shot a cap?

🤨

[modest patio]

that's what the whale claims

[novel oracle]

Look up fatmangus zealot on youtube

Its incredibly stupid but it does what it sets out to do
Turn you in to a fat fuck too obese to die

And you still have stealth rb for boss/captain one shots

[brittle sierra]

yes

you have to hit it from behind

and on the head

[idle ore]

😳

[modest patio]

I was enjoying rampage/shivs HS, but running out of weapons to try on scum except for maybe combat knife.

I'll take a look at the zealot build.

[mighty belfry]

Stealot relic blade funny

[final temple]

give scum relic blade and flamer

make zealot obsolete!

[mighty belfry]

just throw zealot outta the game

#nothavocviable

[charred bronze]

It really would. I love zealot, but my god Rampage relic blade with that much attack speed would be beautiful

It's already more satisfying to play rampage than it is to play most zealot specs. The only thing missing for me is fuck off big weapons and fotf. I miss fotf every time I play rampage scum

[worn yoke]

make zealot great again

[zenith pagoda]

The only problem with zealot is their blitzes are ass

Fire nade Vs chem nade is like coughing baby Vs hydrogen bomb

[novel oracle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1444017590748975125/1450722576275083356/Warhammer_40-000-_Darktide_-_2025-12-16_11-32-53_PM.mp4?ex=6952bb6f&is=695169ef&hm=a7506d9101d20bb82a05c9e1acafbdbca804a2c9620f713e5abc129272a69bd9&

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1444017590748975125/1450722771137990718/Warhammer_40-000-_Darktide_-_2025-12-16_11-29-39_PM.mp4?ex=6952bb9d&is=69516a1d&hm=61950e9d6454ff3f6e129942d83b7c91038059e28038a17abcda857f3fefebd3&

[worn yoke]

wait a second....

[worn yoke]

yeah fire nade is pretty pathetic now that chem nades exist

[zenith pagoda]

And then ICBM Vs throwing knives

[winter tusk]

Ogryns bomb is pathetic now that rocket exists

[hushed pelican]

Any name recommendations every name I try to use the game doesn't allow

[warm axle]

methoni

[grand jewel]

use a double letter

[modest patio]

Haveloch

[worn yoke]

Stimothy

[light phoenix]

They just gotta make it EVEN BIGGER

[brittle sierra]

I'm curious what was it?

[winter tusk]

Talk about overtuned

YEAH BUT OGRYNS TANKY!!!!!!!1!!11!!

And scum has immunity to literal god as long as you can dodge somewhat decently

[brittle sierra]

Where did they go?

[vast yoke]

ogryn bomb just needs this:

• let it literally just outright kill everything smaller than a crusher, don't even give it a damage number just give it an if hit = kill tag so it stays consistent on havoc+
• put its explosion hitbox about a meter above where it lands so its actually consistent (rn it has abysmal LOS problems)

when frag bomb was released it functioned as intended, basically the best "oh shit" button in the game

it needs to be that again and honestly then it'd be ok

[novel oracle]

Yknow what would fix the games balance

Another buff

[vast yoke]

it does need a LOS fix at LEAST

i'd use it more if it didn't feel like a 50/50 whether or not it kills literally anything because of geometry

[signal nebula]

Hahahahaha

So true

[winter tusk]

We dont need to balance, we just give crushers 10k hp

[versed spruce]

And then and then uhmm when some things do too much damage

uhmm we uh buff enemy hp

weapons left behind? what does that mean

anyway

[icy scaffold]

Swap out iAG for Recon las on scum. Game saved 🙏

[tropic crag]

yeah, it can be outright less reliable than the box atm

[winter tusk]

Why would we buff anything when we can give one class an ability that breaks those weapons and leave out all the other classes

https://tenor.com/view/yes-rock-rock-and-roll-head-bang-rock-star-gif-15812025

[versed spruce]

Hive Scum would have been a very, very bad class IF

Rampage and Desperado didn't refresh

Not bad in terms of worth but fun

One shrimple thing saved the whole class from snoozedom

[vast yoke]

tbh box is probably the most reliable nade in the game rn

stagger everything for like 6-7 seconds

[tropic crag]

rock is reliable, but its more of a gun

but yeah box is just straight comfy

[winter tusk]

Ogryns box kinda doodoo now

Good stagger for pick ups but its been powercrept out pretty well

[zenith fern]

rock is irrelevant though, it cant do anything agaisnt carrapace despite being noted in the description

[vast yoke]

it was always only good for pickups tho

its just a great revive tool

[tropic crag]

you can hit them in their tummies and make them go "ow my tummy"

[winter tusk]

[vast yoke]

if im not running rumbler + rock im usually running box :P

[winter tusk]

Should do more now that everything is getting so op

[zenith fern]

https://tenor.com/view/marcus-vr-chat-marcus-marcus-vrchat-gif-15545139123338541511

[tropic crag]

yeah rock/rumbler is just the trick of moving your grenade to your gun hand and your gun to the grenade hand

[near mauve]

looked it upo

what the fuckl

cinema

[winter tusk]

Give ogryn 2 bombs. Or give the bomb a fuck ton of adm so it can just delete all carapace on screen, thats what rocket already does

[zenith fern]

Brother i literally just got it on my feed after refreshing my YT page

[vast yoke]

nah just make it actually a nuke and not a tickle 😭 it used to even wipe crushers but that shit was a bit too uch

[worn yoke]

isnt it 1 single use for the whole mission or was it pickups

[zenith fern]

box?

[worn yoke]

big bomb

[winter tusk]

You can get refills from nades

But its only 1 at a time vs scums 3 rockets

[versed spruce]

Team up with a vet's ammo crate

[worn yoke]

yeah if thats the case i dont think its outrageous for it killing crushers

[versed spruce]

https://i.redd.it/yn7lizvdc07g1.gif

[winter tusk]

Imagine finding a vet these days

[worn yoke]

especially with the frequency of crushers now

[zenith fern]

well you can refill with nade pickups but good luck if you have teammates with nades to refill

[worn yoke]

dude i had an arbitrator random today that would legit mash the e key i did not get to pick up anything

[winter tusk]

Scums rockets literally just delete carapace. They went from killing one crusher on direct and dealing 5600 damage to the surrounding ones, to just deleting 4 crushers at once.

[zenith fern]

the veteran, solo arbites and blinder scum i am about to barrel them for stealing pickups

[winter tusk]

[modest patio]

Is vet the worst class lol?

[zenith fern]

no

[worn yoke]

far from it

[winter tusk]

Nah, everyone's just playing scum rn

[zenith fern]

how make a fine blitz even more bad to use

[drifting heron]

Vet is like second or third best

[worn yoke]

whos at the top, psyker?

[versed spruce]

Yes

[zenith fern]

yes

second maybe zealot

[winter tusk]

Scums close to psyker

[versed spruce]

Zealot #2??

Nah

[zenith fern]

idk

[worn yoke]

i was gonna say arbi #2

[zenith fern]

nuh

not close enough

[winter tusk]

Scum can keep up with psyker since it can 1shot 2 crushers at a time

[tranquil fjord]

vet #2?

[modest patio]

I can't see Vet being 3rd.

[winter tusk]

Just a little broken

[versed spruce]

How does it do that

[winter tusk]

Shivs

[versed spruce]

Unless you mean rocket

[winter tusk]

No

Shivs count as two hit boxes

[modest patio]

shivs with rampage do wild damage to carapace

[worn yoke]

scum CAN hit 2 crushers but melee psyker can also just snap rooms into thin air

[winter tusk]

Each of them hit separately

It's not even rare tbh

[modest patio]

we agreed Psyker is 1

HS can do some things psyker can, but not everything.

[winter tusk]

Literally the shivs with three right build into armor packs deletes two at once each hit

[zenith fern]

in my view the top classes are
Pysker > Vet or Scum > Zealot or Ogryn > Arbites

Is hard for me to justify which classes are in top place but i only play ogryn and scum

[winter tusk]

Especially with uncanny

[worn yoke]

yeah ik i just think the comparison of scum and psyker is silly

[tropic crag]

top is oggy because they are the coolest, then scum because they are fun, then vet because shovels are cool, then psyker because DS psyker is fun, and then arby because the arby shmaul is fun but thats really it for me

[winter tusk]

Not as silly as you might think

Sometimes on scum i can get the room dead before soulblaze really starts kicking

[modest patio]

Man, my list is like Psyker > HS > Arby > Zealot > Vet > Ogryn

[zenith fern]

https://tenor.com/view/the-boys-home-lander-nao-no-gif-12606514540494555875

[worn yoke]

yeah i think arby should be higher

[zenith fern]

only reason arbites is higher because is too easy to play

[limber cradle]

Whatever I'm playing>whatever you're playing.

[worn yoke]

i win = good
i lose = bad

[modest patio]

I haven't been happy to see a vet in H40 yet.

Anecdotal as it may be

[tropic crag]

but they shout alot and thats nice

[spiral horizon]

I'd say all the classes are sorta somewhat around parity outside of psyker

psyker is busted

[worn yoke]

buzzing buzzing buzzing

[modest patio]

Psyker is crazy strong

[zenith fern]

He should brainbust himself

[spiral horizon]

thing is that doesn't stop like 90% of psykers from eating dirt, somehow

[modest patio]

Fire psyker and melee psyker both do crazy things

[winter tusk]

This is without even having the extra crit from float

[tropic crag]

melee psyker at least takes a bit of work

[worn yoke]

im ngl with vet

am i crazy for saying desperado is kinda what i wanted out of executioner stance

[winter tusk]

Vets more precision shooting generally

[zenith fern]

different roles

[modest patio]

share your build so I can compare notes? lol

[worn yoke]

fair i guess i just really want infinite ammo 😔

[tropic crag]

melee weapons have infinite ammo

[worn yoke]

nuh uh

shivs have limited knives to throw

but you can regain em...

[tropic crag]

no they regen as you kill

trust me man, if you want to never stop just focus melee

[zenith fern]

speaking of sane psykers

[icy scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/dakka-tabletop-dungeoneers-discord-orcs-irks-gif-22814163

That’s why I only play recon las Vet, staff psyker, and scum

Now they just have to give Gunlugger infinite ammo

[tropic crag]

oggy can't count that high

[icy scaffold]

That’s why they have infinite ammo, they can’t keep track, all they know is to keep shooting

[tropic crag]

sounds like an awful lotta math

[icy scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[winter tusk]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=a08d5704-91ae-4075-894d-2e2a4dfdf784 switch jittery for float like a butterfly

[worn yoke]

Las vet in general is pretty fun

so many options

[tropic crag]

do people like or hate the "snipers d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-dead!" line?

[winter tusk]

Honestly I might be in the minority here but I dont even pay attention to the dialog

[worn yoke]

where the stimm tsk tsk

[winter tusk]

Even with a ton of hours I couldn't tell you half of the mission dialog

[modest patio]

Ah, I go chem dependency for crit chance

[tropic crag]

sometimes i tune the dialoge out but some lines i always hear, the anarchist sniper line is one i always hear

i like the line but i wondered if people were finding it annoying or funny

[winter tusk]

Stim goes down the finesse side, everything else is up to you but I think i run a couple strength ones

[exotic temple]

The stim pack lines are great

[worn yoke]

i can never unhear psyker going its buzzing buzzing buzzing

[winter tusk]

Honestly I might be able to tell you 10% of the dialog even with 2500 hours

[worn yoke]

also loose cannon vet voicelines just stand out very hard because of his voice imo and thats why i hear those as well

but yeah most drown out into the bg

[tropic crag]

most of the voicelines i notice are ones that are funny or ones that are surprisingly kind between two i wouldn't expect it from

and tbh almost all voices have at least some of that

[worn yoke]

oh also is there any reason you avoid float like a butterfly

[winter tusk]

I get too much tunnel vision during the game, too focused on sound queues. Even in elevators though I click out of the game to my second monitor a ton so I miss a lot of those

Nah I just missed it when I made the build and havent changed it, swap jittery for float

[worn yoke]

i havent used slippery enough to see the value in it so might replace that instead

[winter tusk]

Optional, but sometimes its nice to have, especially with clutches and whatnot

[worn yoke]

yeah thats fair it might just be a playstyle thing tbh

[modest patio]

youre not trying to crit so your shivsis precog and uncanny?>

or still riposte

[worn yoke]

but its nice to see adrenaline frenzy being used

[winter tusk]

Precog

Im sure someone who knows the math and mechanics better would have something slightly different, but all of that finesse sure seems to work on carapace and armor which is my main concern for how I play

[worn yoke]

do you think they put rotten armor back in because they hate us

[winter tusk]

Fatshark hates fun and only wants suffering

[modest patio]

I'm too dumb for all that, I just want to play the game XD lol

[winter tusk]

Me too

I dont get too deep into mechanics, too much work, just wanna stab and smash things

[tall jackal]

Based.

[spiral horizon]

I don't read the talents, the talents read me

[modest patio]

I have too many hours to be lacking as much knowledge as I am.

but here we are /shrug

[tall jackal]

Words are for nerds. Damage numbers go up. We happy

[worn yoke]

soul read talent tree

[winter tusk]

It helps if you know how a handful of mechanics worn but I dont really dive super deep

Work,i

[worn yoke]

Atleast its not the old talent tree from launch

[modest patio]

mm good ol like 6 lines

how many columns did it have? it wasn't many

[winter tusk]

Nahh wym pick one of 3 bad options is the best build

[tall jackal]

Old talent tree was such a let down

[worn yoke]

1 blitz 1 ability

[modest patio]

also each class only had 1 'blitz'. Just adding the 3 blitz moved psyker to insane status.

[spiral horizon]

old talent tree is literally just a copy of the VT2 tree but with less balance work put into it

[tall jackal]

Aye

[winter tusk]

Old talent tree was trying to use vermintide 2 talent templet very badly

[worn yoke]

so buns

[winter tusk]

Honestly though even vt2 talent trees are dogshit

Even now

[vast yoke]

its kind of a miracle how far this game has come tbf

[worn yoke]

but yeah matt thank you for sharing the build ive been meaning to use Adren frenzy more

[spiral horizon]

they still suffer from 1 talent being by far and away the best choice

[vast yoke]

true, barely any build variety, its almost always just 1 build with very very few exceptions

[spiral horizon]

the only time you might adjust certain talents is when they're weapon dependent

[vast yoke]

yearp

[modest patio]

the OG and second weapon systems in DT were so bad.

[tall jackal]

Only so much you can do for balance, before everything gets samey

[modest patio]

how did you go from good in VT2 back to where VT2 started

[worn yoke]

current crafting system is perfect

[winter tusk]

Swift slaying on everything as well, let's goooo

[modest patio]

good ol Tubbyshark

[winter tusk]

Np, definitely not overtuned or broken

[worn yoke]

if i die its only your fault btw

[winter tusk]

Tru

[worn yoke]

i wont take accountability

[spiral horizon]

only thing I'd change about the current crafting system in DT at this point is better curio acquisition, the current methods are gross

[vast yoke]

oppertunist was an option for like 3 weapons

[worn yoke]

oh for sure

[winter tusk]

See rule number one is dont get hit

[idle ore]

what do you mean you dont like spamming melk or checking every hour

[worn yoke]

curios definitely feel like they're somewhat left in the dust

[vast yoke]

ngl i do miss 1h hammer

[spiral horizon]

the silent crusher behind me:

[vast yoke]

bardin hammer <3

[idle ore]

curio crafting is just old crafting

[worn yoke]

i think mission rewards could be changed imo

[winter tusk]

Yep curio system is definitely antiquated and could go for a rework

[vast yoke]

nothing in darktide has a push attack nearly as ridiculous as bardin 1h hammer

wait nvm

its just rashad pa

[worn yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/bardin-vermintide-2-warhammer-vermintide-2-warhammer-vermintide-warhammer-gif-9609153514377397223

[vast yoke]

lmfao

[spiral horizon]

I'm ngl I straight up forgot that mission rewards exist, I insta trash everything I get once I finish getting the rolls I want

[worn yoke]

exactly

[vast yoke]

tome/grim system was so buns in vt2

[trim wind]

i let it all rot in my inventory

[winter tusk]

People look at their inventory?

[vast yoke]

tomes nd grims were the reason most of my friends just played chaos wastes

[idle ore]

just need to be able to buy from brunt or smth

[spiral horizon]

I look at my inventory for no reason other than purging it every now and then so only my favourited stuff remains

[winter tusk]

I just have hundreds of weapons that are mission rewards I havent even looked at

[vast yoke]

i eat them whenever i need dia

XD

i miss manbow

plasma gun does not itch the spot of manbow

its a fraud

[winter tusk]

Honestly I could probably max every mastery if I actually took the time to scrap all of my junk

But that takes effort

[vast yoke]

and shotgun staff 🤤

idgaf about the m2 i just want a shotgun staff

fuck please fatshark i need this

[spiral horizon]

I was hoping helbore would fill that niche for me but it just doesn't feel the same

[vast yoke]

helbore is just handgun lowk

[winter tusk]

Helbore more like hella boring

[spiral horizon]

we need a 40k crossbow

[vast yoke]

basically the laspistol if you think about it

extremely headshot reliant, some of the best boss dps in the game if you hit heads

both share that trait

ofc crossbow was more satisfying

are there helbore pistols?

[winter tusk]

Yes yes 40k crossbow would be good, but only if it cleaves multiple elite heads

[worn yoke]

when do we get skaven in darktide

let them reality warp

[winter tusk]

Nah vets dont have shit for unique weapons atm

Crazy how those vets didnt get left out after the new year

[vast yoke]

power falchion is so bad. i keep trying to make it work. i've seen shooters (not gunners, shooters) tank the horde clear heavies from it. fuck man its so ass

on a melee build

like daaawg

[winter tusk]

It was alright when I used it, deinfitely nothing to write home about

[vast yoke]

the more i use it the more i hate it </3

[winter tusk]

Definitely needs specific builds and blessings to actually do anything

[worn yoke]

it SHOULD be good

[vast yoke]

shovel would just do better in all of those builds unfortunately

[worn yoke]

because it feels good

i like power mode noises

[vast yoke]

idk what niche falchion even fills

[winter tusk]

The fatshark getting an update out quota niche

[vast yoke]

reused animations too

[worn yoke]

can i get a halberd in darktide

i know those exist

[winter tusk]

Nah theres barely any 2 handed weapons, and like no polearms

[vast yoke]

meanwhile relic blade had an insane amount of love put into it, the dev that animated it made a whole blog post going into what inspired him to animate it the way he did

unique running stab attack

power falchion is somehow slow, weak, costs way too much stamina to use properly, has dogass blessings

[winter tusk]

Im honestly fine with reused animation if it actually helped speed up the development pipeline. But they sure dont seem like they do lol

[vast yoke]

idm them either, i wish they took more from vt2 though

[spiral horizon]

I do love laspistol tbf

[vast yoke]

(just make bardin 1h hammer please fatshark i need this)

[worn yoke]

im very much down for them stopping with new weapons and doing a rebalance of the current weapons

[vast yoke]

please this

[worn yoke]

some of them are so behind its actually criminal

[vast yoke]

devil claw is so hilariously ass you cannot convince me otherwise

[zenith fern]

nah, you get another mortis trials content and 2 more classes in 2026

[worn yoke]

does anyone even play mortis trials

😭

[winter tusk]

You'll get nothing an be happy

[limber cradle]

Yeah instead of a weapon rebalance we could just buff every enemies hp twice or something

[modest patio]

kinda want to try melee psyker now too lol

[neat delta]

Difference between marks of the needle gun?

[vast yoke]

oughh hfuck guys lets nerf the best weapon in the game but uhh giving it a parry

[worn yoke]

but i can parry bosses

[winter tusk]

Heavy sword and devil's claw are only allowed to not be ass on scum, and shockmauls are only allowed to not be ass on arbitrator, get used to it

[modest patio]

its pinned

[tropic crag]

so i like the slashy shivs now but man can my hand not handle more than a game of using them, its the same problem i had with 1h hammer on slayer

[limber cradle]

Fuckin MENSA candidates working at fatshark I tell you

[vast yoke]

i honestly find smaul better on zealot, mostly because theres barely any reason to use smaul on arbi when arbi maul is so op

i do use dclaw on scum... on a ranged only build. because parry

[winter tusk]

Exactly lol, I bet its still better on arbitrator though

[tropic crag]

arby maul is just fun to use also

[versed spruce]

But dude they reduced the flak ADM by like 5% so it's definitely enough

[worn yoke]

scum is like the only reason i have ever considered using heavy sword

not even joking

[winter tusk]

Yep, its sad

[worn yoke]

scum makes so many melees work and thats very fun

but it shouldnt take scum to do that

[winter tusk]

Cant make heavy sword even slightly better for other classes, NEXT CLASS IS GONNA BREAK IT

[neat delta]

Looks super minor.

[woeful hill]

it doesnt

[winter tusk]

Basically ensures itll never get buffed because scum would make it bused

Busted*

[tropic crag]

it doesn't, it does what slayer does in vt2, it makes niche options more general

[vast yoke]

ehhh i think the insane attack speed of zealot kinda makes up for it. i ran it for a while last 2 havoc resets because it does good into rotten armor + captain shields

[versed spruce]

All melee weapons are good at what they're meant to do

But in the overall state of the game

You can't afford to be only good at one thing and suck at most others

So the weapons all work but don't thrive

[winter tusk]

Heavy sword is alright for anything not armored, people always bring that up like its a point when unarmored isn't usually the problem anyway

[vast yoke]

what is dclaw even supposed to do

[tropic crag]

honestly the game gives you two other slots plus alot of nodes to fill in weapon weakeness

[vast yoke]

it doesnt even have good clear

[neat delta]

parry

its fun

[winter tusk]

Badly kill crushers

[vast yoke]

it needs more?

dueling sword unironically clears faster

its absurd how bad dclaw is

[tropic crag]

its kind of a gimmick weapon but like... i think its fine

[vast yoke]

it is Not fine

[winter tusk]

For a gimmick weapon it should do more armor damage lol

[neat delta]

It's a cool weapon lol

[tropic crag]

i think having some super niche weapons is good for the game tbh

[versed spruce]

Depends on class

[neat delta]

it's not that bad lol

[winter tusk]

Youre taking a gimmick weapon that isn't that good in general

You should at least get the pay off for it

[vast yoke]

in what way is it even a gimmick weapon

[neat delta]

It's pawesome

but yeah I think it should do more armor damage with parry

[vast yoke]

it is just a sword with a parry, one of two now, the other is better in every single aspect

[tropic crag]

i build generalist melee on all classes... they all have something to help with things in some way or a ranged sidearm option that fills in the bigger weakpoints well

[neat delta]

only time you can oneshot a crusher with dclaw is using fotf

[winter tusk]

Yep

More fotf buttonholing with builds

[versed spruce]

Yes
So you can make a dclaw usable
You can never make it thrive

(except rampage scum)

[vast yoke]

fatshark overvalues a lot of aspects of weapons imho

[winter tusk]

The best thing you can do is make most weapons shit without the strongest melee ability on the character

[tropic crag]

which is the slayer of this game, they make niche weapons that some people use because they like them and make them appeal to everyone more

[versed spruce]

That shouldn't exist at all

[vast yoke]

even slayer made pickaxe shine 😭

[halcyon adder]

The d claw is a funny anti rinda Karnak weapon

[tropic crag]

EVEN BEFORE THE GIANT BUFFS

[versed spruce]

Every weapon should be able to thrive without being enabled by a busted stat-boosting machine

[winter tusk]

Negative

[tropic crag]

i feel like every weapon can thrive atm if the person likes them enough to figure them out

[slim mesa]

D claw?

[winter tusk]

We must make the abilities broken as fuck to make the weapons viable

[tropic crag]

scum just makes it happen automatically

[versed spruce]

Figuring out a weapon can't change their shit breakpoints or ADMs LOL

[winter tusk]

That way we never need to balance

[vast yoke]

dclaw doesnt even thrive it just exits fucking cell stage from spore in rampage

it has fucking

skullcrusher

for fucks sake

it is not ok

[worn yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-dog-silly-dog-propeller-hat-propeller-hat-dog-gif-4764495627579170054

[vast yoke]

WHY DOES IT HAVE SCRUSHER

[tropic crag]

breakpoints mostly don't matter... if its not an absurd time to kill then its good enough and when playing on a half awake team you're never gonna be dealing with untouched targets very often

[halcyon adder]

Yea she does her 8 hit combo and you just counterattack 8 times and her shield disappears

[slim mesa]

What is a D claw tho

[versed spruce]

I was hoping Arbites would get it when they came out LOL

[slim mesa]

I feel stupid

[worn yoke]

devils claw melee

[versed spruce]

My dreams were shattered

[vast yoke]

IT WOULD PROBABLY BE OK ON ARBI TOO

just ok though

[versed spruce]

I KNOW

[vast yoke]

its flak adm is

[slim mesa]

Oh, is it really that good?

[vast yoke]

hilariously shit

[worn yoke]

can you still parry a demonhost to death with it

[slim mesa]

I never used it tbh

[worn yoke]

quite the opposite outside of rampage gaming

[winter tusk]

Fatshark has a fetish for blunt and bladed weapons to be shit, makes zero sense for blunt since they actually do damage to armor

[slim mesa]

Running blindly into battle swinging?

[zenith fern]

ehh is a bit of a rough melee

[vast yoke]

at least heavy sword has the pride being one of the best hordeclear options for the lowest point investment in the game

[halcyon adder]

Last I remember the stamina drain was pretty rough so you need to dodge quite a bit

[versed spruce]

Do not ask fatshark why a dollar store knife does significantly more damage than denting someone's armor in and ripping it with a crowbar

Or an ogryn throwing a giant rock at its head

[vast yoke]

arguably the worst melee in the game outside of some ogryn options and even that's debatable, and i really do like it, but it is not good

[winter tusk]

We dont read any logic into this

Even though a realistic Warhammer that weighs 3 pounds would annihilate someones skull under a helmet, dont put any logic into this game, its a power fantasy

[tropic crag]

don't ask GW why a ripped shirt gave a 4+ save

[slim mesa]

The fact that there is no Bonesaw or Powerwhammer options for quick AOE swings is insane

Yes, I know the block attack exists

[tropic crag]

(its because its cool)

[versed spruce]

Because this is a setting where macho always prevails

[tropic crag]

i wouldn't say macho because sometimes eldar and necrons win some, but i would say cool always wins

[worn yoke]

crowbar is in a weird spot

[versed spruce]

It's why the tactical smart space marine chapters that camoflauge and pick engagements well eat shit for no reason

[winter tusk]

How is my broken coat hanger shiv more macho than my mace though

[versed spruce]

And blueberries that screech and run towards gunner lines with their helmets off prevail

[tropic crag]

crowbar is fine because its tied to scum, its like bonesaw, its a super weird weapon that wouldn't work on any other class but with all the scum buffs turns out pretty good once you play with it for a while

[vast yoke]

anyway yall tried finesse maxxing a mk3 combat knife on a rampage build? shit is literal crack

its so fun

[versed spruce]

It's ragtag

I guess

[tropic crag]

honestly i've been having the outright most fun on the chainaxe on scum

[worn yoke]

i feel conflicted about the alt mode

bonesaw definitely has its own niche and works well

[vast yoke]

crowbar is okay. it works on auric but it does fall off when you get to havoc

[tropic crag]

the alt mode is good for the few times it is good

[winter tusk]

Crowbar is alright, takes too many heavies for how little you have to do with the shivs for way better result

[tropic crag]

like its good for taking out big armor

[winter tusk]

And without putting yourself at risk

[tropic crag]

not great but good

[vast yoke]

imo entering alt mode should be way faster

[worn yoke]

i do like how hard it staggers

[vast yoke]

it feels like it takes forever

[tropic crag]

i actually like the chainaxe once i learned now much it can stagger

[mighty belfry]

both crowbar and bonesaw have this issue honestly

[tropic crag]

you can stun lock crushers if you don't want to 1shot them... or can't because you can't do the full latch attack

[worn yoke]

bonesaw feels worse LOL that alt mode animation is incredibly slow

[vast yoke]

bonesaw doesn't have this issue, just never use purple mode /hj

[winter tusk]

Just get rid of the animation lock pretty much entirely and itll be better

[versed spruce]

Crowbar is at least decently fast in switching over

[vast yoke]

i deadass lose crusher DPS when doing purple mode

[tropic crag]

that mode is also not worth swapping to, because you can just kill the carapace with the poison

[worn yoke]

i get the idea of purple mode but ideally you just dont switch modes ever

[versed spruce]

It's almost like brittleness sucks and chem tox is someone's greatest gift to this god-forsaken earth

[worn yoke]

does anyone have a dedicated bonesaw build 👀

[vast yoke]

the only time i genuinely used ourple was on havoc for captains

[winter tusk]

Finesse better than brittleness and rending

[versed spruce]

they ourple..

[worn yoke]

speaking of colours

[vast yoke]

crit boxcutters lowk the better poison weapon </3

[winter tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-i-love-being-purple-spongebob-gif-11593450

[worn yoke]

the mastery cosmetics can they just let me customize the colours instead of it just being red

[winter tusk]

No

[worn yoke]

i want ourple weapons

[zenith fern]

take the twitch skins or leave it

[worn yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-squidward-ugh-caveman-spongebob-gif-26337749

[winter tusk]

Red is the color of the inquisition and if they deviate from lore accuracy the devs will all be skinned and crucified alive then eaten

[vast yoke]

extended weapon customization mod lets you do this kinda stuff

[zenith fern]

why bro nuts are in flames

[vast yoke]

i made my arbi revolver look like the shotpistol* so i can pretend im using it :^)

[worn yoke]

he was forced to fight rotten armor

[worn yoke]

is it just colours?

[tropic crag]

people were crying that they wanted red weapons so fs gave us red weapons (we also already had red weapons before that)

[vast yoke]

no you can make some cursed shit on it lmao

behold, my ballsack gun

[winter tusk]

Weapon customization mod is only client-side, and it had a lot of crashing issues when I used it

[vast yoke]

crashing issues have been fixed for a while now

[worn yoke]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1378625015637082125.webp?size=96&animated=true

[vast yoke]

its rlly stable cus they rebuilt it

[worn yoke]

i only know warhammer stuff through the tide games so i just want ourple

[vast yoke]

yea u can make ur stuff ourple

[tropic crag]

i do miss the glowing purple dlc weapons from vt2

[vast yoke]

oh man those were sick

or the glowing red ones

[worn yoke]

oh wait

does this let you change the sights of your guns?

[vast yoke]

yea it does, you can also change colors + make custom camos. its all clientside but nobody looks at your weapons besides you anyway 😭

[worn yoke]

omggg that would make some weapons feel so much better LOL

[vast yoke]

i made my devil claw into a dueling sword because i only use the parry anyway

[worn yoke]

stupid poop iron sight that i hate

[vast yoke]

you can also get the PewPew mod and change the firing/swinging sounds of weapons to other weapon sounds

made my arbi maul into a sword and gave it heavy sword sfx

:D

[worn yoke]

that would be a bit too much for me but colours and sights is more than plenty

i see 3 mods goog....

[vast yoke]

check dms pookie

[worn yoke]

yay!

[jaunty sail]

What’s the name of this mod

Me need

Need to crack up my lead spitters

Hello kitty camo

[vast yoke]

i'll dm cus its only on the darktide modders discord anyway

[modest patio]

Sights feel questionable though minor I suppose

Kinda weird we never got weapon customization like that.

[halcyon adder]

[marsh plover]

How good is the crowbar?

[low harbor]

it's mid

usable but could be better

[winter tusk]

Thinking about this they should add a baked in thing maybe for rock that does extra damage on cara. Idk if they can do that without just going crazy adm, but some pen would be nice with rock

Everything's getting so powercrept they should do little changes to some of the classes to help keep them somewhat in line. Assuming they're not actually going to do a meaningful balance pass.

[flat mist]

Incredible

[brittle sierra]

hey can I see the steam name 🙂

[charred bronze]

question: for taxe and caxe, which is the most valuable str stimm? Rending or crit?

[brittle sierra]

crit

it's always crit, unless you are an ogryn

[versed spruce]

Not rending on weaker ADM weapons?

Oh me when I don't read

[wind crane]

u mean the mod?

[astral canyon]

For caxe i would prob go with attack speed tbh

[charred bronze]

I can see it

[brittle sierra]

no the profile's steam name

[charred bronze]

what's the caxe special reliably stagger?

[flat mist]

Daily reminder that using hypex with rampage is for chumps

[brittle sierra]

If you are going crate build

Just get both

[abstract lichen]

I can stagger auric crushers with tax special

[wind crane]

idk what you're talking about, this? https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/127

[brittle sierra]

I go dodge s distance and crit rate max

[abstract lichen]

But hit the head

[brittle sierra]

Ok buddy I am starting to think you are playing dumb on purpose

Is this profile you by any chance? Because if it is, I can make this very easy for everyone

[wind crane]

what the

[charred bronze]

not crate, just Sample Collecter

[brittle sierra]

Then get CDR stimm

[charred bronze]

yeah, CDR + 1 branch. I noticed that stimm was typically off cooldown even with the higher viscosity

[brittle sierra]

Then get the stamina one with dodge distance

Crit rate is fine, but being able to essentially have unlimited stamina and attack speed is much more valuable

When you are being sandwhiched by a demonhost and the twins

What will save you are the blocks , pushes, and dodges

[charred bronze]

best use of caxe push attack?

[woeful hill]

rager stagger

[dawn portal]

staggers 3 ragers out of their combo for one

makes a lot of space in a horde too

[charred bronze]

cool preciate it. Gonna give the caxe a fair shake. Been running mostly taxe

[brittle sierra]

Caxe is the best melee focused weapon on scum

it isn't even close on how scary it is

[charred bronze]

I just like the insane mobility of the taxe

but nimble and jittery should help alleviate some of that feeling

[brittle sierra]

if you want mobility then take shivs

shivs has decent cleave if you take Battering Strikes

[charred bronze]

played a bunch with shivs, ultimately had more fun with taxe

[brittle sierra]

i think tac's value comes mostly from rampage since it's biggest weakness is raw damage

[charred bronze]

rampage, H-V + H-C alleviate it nicely. I know people don't like H-C, but it works great with it

took H-C off for caxe though

[junior dune]

getting sick of the train mission

had it come up 3 times tonight, one was a narrow victory and the other two were losses.

[zenith fern]

I love my job

[brittle sierra]

ive been testing, I am not sure if for a crate build, if Aden or Dependency crit is better for shivs 🤔

actually im gonna try it, 25% crit rate is very tasty

20% with riposte, another 20% with the talent, 5% from the other talent

[tulip magnet]

is there a half ammo modifier for havoc?

ammo crates were giving me half ammo and 2 rockets

[woeful hill]

yes

1 sec

have a graph

look at the bottom

from https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3375980903&searchtext=havoc

[dim moth]

-60% ammo is SO lame for havoc

[woeful hill]

I like it

they just need to do more to peril

resource management is something I rarely see outside experienced players

[limber cradle]

-60 percent ammo is fine ime

[woeful hill]

I rarely pick up ammo myself

its usually only if I clutch often

[limber cradle]

Unless you want to run some absolutely atrocious on ammo eco weapon

Like arb shotgun

[dim moth]

Yeah I "manage my resources" by meleeing everything

[woeful hill]

yeah?

[dim moth]

Is that what you meant

[woeful hill]

and using ranged when its needed

[limber cradle]

"Playing VT2"

I manage my resources by playing VT2 lmao

[dim moth]

I sometimes do infact just shoot shit because I can

Usually only when I'm playing helbore vet tho

[limber cradle]

Tbh I only do that shit now on scum

Because haha goofy infinite ammo

[dim moth]

yeah

infinite ammo will do that which is part of why I played veteran so much before scum came out xd

[low harbor]

It’s fine imo, it’s a melee oriented game after all

But psyker needs to get nerfed for that to work proper

[zenith fern]

crate supply and needler is too good

[tulip magnet]

Is this info in game anywhere or does fatshark hate us

[zenith fern]

fatshark loves us

for not adding any of the information in the game

[woeful hill]

fatshark hates us

welcome to Darktide

they literally do not tell us the numbers or info

and sometimes they just lie about them

[low harbor]

I figured out stat lerp!!!!!

[limber cradle]

"Immunity to melee attacks on sliding"

[woeful hill]

the most accruate info comes from code divers that are often playtesters that test the game

[tulip magnet]

What level range is each "tier" btw

[woeful hill]

increments of 5 iirc

let me see if he says

[tulip magnet]

I skimmed and didn't see but i mightve misse

[woeful hill]

"- Hidden modifiers are added or upgraded every order rank"

this was the only thing I saw

[zenith fern]

which is this about? Is the top left stim tree?

[low harbor]

Have <50% of ur max toughness, then use stim

[dim moth]

yes

[zenith fern]

Ah I see now

[final temple]

make sure NOT to take any toughness replenishment talents to maximize returns.

[brittle sierra]

behold my creation: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a07a1191-d386-4a2b-8511-26c27b84718e/professional-vicodin-dealer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[winter tusk]

Ima try this sometime

[limber cradle]

Why ammo jack?

[dawn portal]

Me like when gun go dakka dakka, more ammo, more dakka dakka

[unreal stirrup]

mh dev 🤝 fatshark

leave literal crumb of information in game and even then it not even accurate

[unreal stirrup]

I think dependency isn't worth it on shiv due to the fact you get shit tons of crit already

plus bonus damage from adrenaline help with hypercrit proc

extra attack speed too

[brittle sierra]

this is a needle gun focus build

[brittle sierra]

it's not for shivs, its for the needler

[limber cradle]

I get that, I'm still asking why

Its +1 round

Vs like, any number of other things

[brittle sierra]

not much else I can grab for it, so might as well

[limber cradle]

Alright

[brittle sierra]

also

[dim moth]

I don't think the MH games have ever had outright misinformation in them

They just withhold EXTREMELY IMPORTANT DETAILS

And numbers

Like I think about Latent Power Secret from World/Wilds specifically when talking about this

Because when it says it makes the skill "easier to trigger" what they mean is that attacking the monster now also ticks down the timer for the skill

Which Latent Power is another fuckin' banger skill description

Awesome

Real descriptive

Anyways the trigger conditions for Latent Power (the attacking makes it faster thing was from Rise not either of the two games I actually mentioned oopsies)

It triggers automatically every 2 minutes, or if you take 130 damage (just under your maximum health) overall for any reason

WAIT there is one example I rmeember in Wilds where the description is technically not correct

Counterstrike

You don't actually have to be knocked back for this to trigger you have to be hit by an attack that can knock you back

If you offset an attack that can knock you back and still take the damage you will not be knocked back but the skill will trigger anyways

[brittle sierra]

hello chat

[slow kraken]

Okay, this is my first attempt at this character, as I understand it, it's a typical glass cannon?

[woeful hill]

High risk, high rewards.

[grand jewel]

dorg

[grand jewel]

if you kill the enemy it has no risk

but the damage

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-star-trek-gif-19129737

[slow kraken]

For a beginner, what is the build?

[ornate flame]

Hive ganger insta rejected on Havoc 40 games

Whereas OG classes rarely rejected

[dim moth]

yeah people that struggle to survive on other classes think that scum is weak

community perception thing that will likely be ironed out

[rich carbon]

how do you get max blessings

i've never seen a 3 stam or 17 toughness

[ornate flame]

Chem build is pretty insane tho

Idk why ppl so scared of it

[dim moth]

gambling

[dawn portal]

Go to Melk and gamble on random curios or just wait till one shows up in the store

[zenith fern]

More of that is very strong and I hate it

[rich carbon]

needle pistol is damage dump stripped down run & gun right

[zenith fern]

Also have to refill with pickups

[ornate flame]

I don't use chem grenades

But i use blinder with that 3 toxin stacks whenever it detonates node

[zenith fern]

Blinders gang

[ornate flame]

Since it can be easily replenished in havoc 40

[woeful hill]

All stats are dumps besides ammo, and test which blessing you like. It does benefit from crits

Check pins for info about that

Most recent

Applies more dot if crit

[ornate flame]

Yea it's DoT also affected by ranged damage increase

[rich carbon]

wait so is the mk 6 just outright better

[woeful hill]

In single target yes

It's the single target mark

2 is aoe

There is no best

[rich carbon]

hm, I could run Desperado or Point Blank

[woeful hill]

Try it

[rich carbon]

tho tbf i'm checking out reginald's backliner DOT spam build rn

[woeful hill]

I use run and gun and desperado

Since it affects dot damage

[rich carbon]

is that why u want cara unyielding

[woeful hill]

Perks affect dot damage

[rich carbon]

makey sensey

[woeful hill]

But only from the weapon you are currently holding

[rich carbon]

omfg wait no way

[woeful hill]

If you shoot needler the swap melee the dot is affected by your melee perks

[rich carbon]

run and gun procs if you start sprinting after shooting

[woeful hill]

So it'd be fine to run crit and reload

See

You are starting to understand

[rich carbon]

that's wild ngl

also how's my chemscum fit

[woeful hill]

Looks very good

Opposite of what I go for

Stimmy turner

[ornate flame]

Looks scummy indeed

[dim moth]

man I really want to play havoc but party finder final boss ruining me

[charred bronze]

minimalist? I dig it.

Personally I want every hazard stripe I can paste on my body

I want a yellow and black hazard stripe mohawk

gameplay-help is a slow channel, alas

Question about ovenproof scoreboard addon. The names keep getting cut off at the top. What do I need to change to fix that?

[halcyon adder]

victim of a baking accident

[charred bronze]

I've tried hiding a lot of information and nothin's working

[unreal stirrup]

"high risk" fr fr

until they fix dodge linger

[exotic temple]

Check the pins. The build for the uzi and shivs is solid

[charred bronze]

new to scum or new to Darktide? If new to Darktide, strongly recommend playing a different career first.

learn the fundamentals, then come back to scum

[exotic temple]

The only thing I’d suggest is try and make a bee line for vulture Mark, vultures Dodge and pickpocket and you will be golden

[slow kraken]

I mainly like that idiot with the dog, I played the cleric more before

[charred bronze]

haha

got it, do you have your arbites and zealot to 30 yet?

[unreal stirrup]

how to make people skip fundamental:

[haughty slate]

Can someone explain to me how the cleave stat works? Like I see my shotgun has 4.5 cleave but what does that actually equal?

[woeful hill]

Check vet class pins or Kuli's enemy guide on steam

Hitmass/Cleave is the keyword

[low harbor]

let's say ur shooting at dreg ragers (4 mass)
ur attack would cleave through the first because 4.5 > 4 (which deducts 4 from your cleave budget), but stop at the second because 0.5 < 4

more cleave = more enemies an attack can go through before stopping

[haughty slate]

Gotcha. I wasn't sure where to find the hit mass values for everything. Man, imagine if Fatshark had this stuff in-game...

Crits don't increase cleave?

[low harbor]

kuli guide lists mass for every enemy
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3568035743

and I have cleave value listed for most attacks (not every weapon yet)

[low harbor]

by default, no

[haughty slate]

well sheeit

[dim moth]

but don't guns have better cleave on crit?

[low harbor]

what gave you that idea

[dim moth]

the laspistol cleaving a poxer on crit in the psykhanium but not on a normal hit

and the Achlys twin linked stubber...doing its thing

[low harbor]

lemme check

[dim moth]

okay this is wildly inconsistent for me

I am now simply just confused

[low harbor]

there're 3 types of poxwalkers

[dim moth]

and also...this???

[tulip magnet]

I feel like my strafing has been fucked this patch

[low harbor]

same mass tho, weird

[tulip magnet]

I'll often hold d and just, not strafe

like I'm stuck on nothing

[dim moth]

actually it seems like it only cleaves SOMETIMES if the shot kills the enemy

man what the fuck

I regret bringing this up

oh god I'm doing more testing shooting into the plasma gunner with helbore and I think it gets worse I think overkill damage affects whether it cleaves or not

okay well I'll add that to the bucket list of "obscure mechanics I only discovered exist by accident"

Which is somehow not just this

[haughty slate]

For DB shotgun, manstopper + scattershot vs manstopper + flechette?

I'm seeing a lot of folks go for flechette but I've been enjoying the consistent infinite cleave on scum

[low harbor]

Depends on the class

[flat lotus]

tired of shivs

whats a good melee to go with autopistols

[lapis raft]

chainaxe

[flat lotus]

hmm

is it reliant on any talents

[compact oyster]

Crowbar

[lapis raft]

swift endurance

can also just do knife if you just want something that relies on nothing

[flat lotus]

hmm

i will try it

whats the basic strings for it

[dim moth]

push attack

into push attack

(this is your horde clear and single target with knife)

[flat lotus]

oh thats right. i can inspect weapons.

lol.

[flat lotus]

well i guess that makes it simple for me

[hollow oar]

🔥

https://tenor.com/view/crying-one-piece-anime-gif-4502646032764566609

[halcyon adder]

what would be the dump stat on an 80 mobi combat blade

[dim moth]

uuuuuuuuh

damage probably?

[woeful hill]

60 mobility

[dim moth]

ironically if you want your knife to have 80 mobility

"Damage" is probably the least important damage stat

[hollow oar]

Penetration

Run Uncanny Strike to "mitigate" the loss

[grand jewel]

woah

[flat lotus]

dump mob or defenses on chaxe?

[lapis raft]

i dump defenses

mk4 wants to push attack quite a bit for clear so there it depends and on mk12 push attack is your single target so do not matters that much

[grand jewel]

damage

[flat lotus]

helpful

[grand jewel]

glad to hear it

[dim moth]

Mk 12's push attack is also rager stagger

[flat lotus]

but defenses affects pushes...

wouldnt 80 defense be better

[grand jewel]

defense good

if mobility is an option always mobility

except in like

void strike IIRC

lmao

[unreal stirrup]

yeah except its damage

base damage still matter for crit/finesse weapon

[lapis raft]

yes thats what i said

you push attack less on mk12

[unreal stirrup]

more relevant on scum too since hypercrit

[lapis raft]

so it matters less

i value the mobility a lot more on mk12

[unreal stirrup]

assuming mk6 knife either light spam or light light heavy

pa spam is mostly for single target

[flat lotus]

well i was going to use the mk4

but i have a defense dump weapon

so

i guess we using mk12 now

[lapis raft]

just make both ez

[flat lotus]

oh i like this more

overhead heavies

welcome back rashad

[flat lotus]

Truth nuke

Yeah I was going to use the MK4 until I realized I actually kind of hate using that thing

12 is so much better to me

[lapis raft]

best thing about mk4 is that the rew light spam just interrupts pretty much anything

but yea i like 12 more too

[unreal stirrup]

the mk4 have cleave cap while mk12 doesn't

funny how they remove it for exactly 1 mark

[steel granite]

Random question but can someone explain to me the differences in performance between dual autos, normal autopistol, and the IAG on a desperado hives um

Been running the dual autos cuz it’s the new hive scum exclusive weapon but I’ve heard people saying IAG and shredder are better or wte

[lapis raft]

shredder has better crit/weakspot stats so the damage isnt that terribly behind and faster reload speed

i dont think its like much better but its not completely useless

[livid raven]

dual autos have the most fire rate and the best overall dps, but have slowish reload speed and bad accuracy and recoil

shredder has better finesse, worse dps and very good accuracy

[unreal stirrup]

vrak is crit based + scum get tons of crit

[livid raven]

IAG is the least mobile and more finesse based but can in theory do better damage and you can aim down sights

dual autos does the best against armor in experience (mostly against carapace ragers)

shredder is prob the worst of the bunch

[steel granite]

Hmm

[livid raven]

but it's still very valid

[steel granite]

I assume playstyle wise IAG will be slower paced than dual autos?

[livid raven]

yeah, you don't have incorporated run and gun

[lapis raft]

big chainaxe man :d

[livid raven]

also obviously the IAG has the worst mobility of the three even outside run and gun

which does matter when you use the gun 95% of the time

[steel granite]

Yeye

Hmm guess I’ll give em all a spin

[livid raven]

i find the shredder the most enjoyable personally

but imo the dual autoguns are the best

[steel granite]

Maybe see if the base autopistol is to my liking

And I’m assuming dualies are still kinda mid?

The stubs

[livid raven]

yeah

[steel granite]

Aw

[zenith fern]

Still solid sidearms for specials and gunner kills

But that's my general use only for them

Could be better but it is usable

[drifting heron]

They are objectively the best weapon

Because of swag

[zenith fern]

Cool animations, cool reload, cool special spin

Cool sound effects

And lots of clicks

[steel granite]

I remember trying em out and they were nice but like, for the “I’m only spraying and praying” build it was a bit meh especially when a load of shit was going on.

Was hoping that maybe someone found a way to make em really shine but seems not. Tho yeah sometimes I pull em out just cuz for fun

[zenith fern]

Always good to manage a long range shot to a sniper with a special shot that is like over 60+ meters

Right on the head that I barely could see his pixels

[neat delta]

FS ADD RELIC BLADE TO HIVESCUM

[fast surge]

No

[sacred eagle]

Power fist on scum.

[mint epoch]

nah, add rumbler to hive scum

[mighty belfry]

https://gyazo.com/7390d70a30d588094a6f6f576855c150 most fun maelstrom i've played in a while. this class is dum

me and an ogryn had to duo a monstrosity maelstrom cuz no one came in

[marsh plover]

How good is the crowbar

[mighty belfry]

It could be better.

Is all I'll really say about it.

[marsh plover]

What melee for hive scum is the best to deal with crushers?

[candid flint]

shivs, knife

[zenith fern]

shivs, knife

bro

[candid flint]

mods, ban this man for being slow on the draw

cant have that here

[zenith fern]

Taxe and caxe also fun ones

I only used taxe though

oh wait hypercritical does not apply to crushers

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-willem-dafoe-duh-duhh-obviously-gif-16794513

[mighty belfry]

hyperviolence does though

and those two love hyperviolence

[flat lotus]

i dont use hyperviolence because the talent description confused me

https://tenor.com/view/nose-picking-stimpy-ren-%26-stimpy-clearing-my-nose-comedy-central-gif-4062194229388877689

[mighty belfry]

you should

[flat lotus]

why

[mighty belfry]

because it's good

[flat lotus]

i cant fit it in my build 🥀

[mighty belfry]

and also funny

[flat lotus]

i use shivs with uncanny/riposte and i can dispatch them pretty quickly

[zenith fern]

math makes my brain tingle

[flat lotus]

thats for one second though

but more importantly

i could see that being nice for rashad or chaxe or whatever but idk about shivs

[mighty belfry]

it's very good with shivs

[flat lotus]

that could go hard on rashad though

[novel oracle]

The talent could say "googoogaagaa big melee damage" and itd still be true

Cuz thats what it does

[flat lotus]

but my nimble

i cant give up my precious nimble

[junior dune]

I didn't realize it would stack together and snowball like that

[mighty belfry]

wait why would you give up nimble