hivescum-class

[mighty belfry]

I need to embrace the blood of my enemies

[tropic crag]

shooting something is funny and fun every once in a while but most of the fun is bonking them

[peak bloom]

does anyone have a good heavy melee/general melee build

[mighty belfry]

Even on supply builds, I still play upclose and personal.

[peak bloom]

ive been playing a ton of the microdose dependency build but i want some big smacks

[mighty belfry]

You could run a macrodose of strength stimm with adrenaline if you're talking crate

I've been running that.

And it's surprisingly good.

[tropic crag]

rampage and adrenaline just kind of... works, you can mix tox in if you want or not and both work great

and like all the weapons work on melee scum

[peak bloom]

gotcha

[tropic crag]

at least i think theres not a dud in the group

[peak bloom]

i forget, whats the typically setup (perks/traits) for caxe

or taxe

[mighty belfry]

Carapace, unarmored
Bromentum/headtaker

Pretty much for both

[tropic crag]

bromentum is always a star on the weapons its on tbh

[peak bloom]

tbh i never really touched the axes

[mighty belfry]

It depends tbh

I like shred on mk4 taxe

[peak bloom]

whats the diff between taxe and caxe aside from minor perks and swing patterns

[mighty belfry]

Since that's more single target oriented

[rapid token]

ok after sticking 3-4 braced revolver reloads into the same green crusher i'm starting to think that is not the weapon to take into havoc 30

https://tenor.com/view/rick-grimes-stare-gif-23178630

[pallid quail]

tac axe feels alot like knife with its atk speed n mobility whereas the combat axe is much slower n heavier

[mighty belfry]

Gotta abuse dots with rotten armor unfortunately

Or just bring the boom

[tropic crag]

hit the crusher with your meat hands

[zealous ravine]

new update that adds brass knuckles for ogryn and hive scum

[peak bloom]

PLEASE

[tropic crag]

lol i'm not sure it would work for scum but i would love them on oggy

[rapid token]

if i get anywhere close to the crusher the completely invisible one that's stacked up behind him will one shot me without me ever seeing him

[zealous ravine]

the idea of a stimm addict just throwing hands is really funny

[tropic crag]

stop pressing S that lets them daisy chain, you need to first slam into them enough to get them to start spacing out to take up slots on you then you can start dancing with them

[novel oracle]

Tac axe is faster, more mobile, and more crit focused, with a bit more cleave innately
Combat axe is slower, higher on hit damage with less of a crit focus and basically no baked in cleave

[rapid token]

you mean spamming negative dodges away with the revolver out wasn't the right move

[tropic crag]

i go sidways and around them forward usually... like circle dodge around them

[zealous ravine]

crazy how the chainaxe exists

[tropic crag]

if there are alot of crushers i'll kind of do silly figure 8s looping around more then one to keep them swinging at air

like it gets hairy in havoc and if you have to do it alone for too long you probably need to back up just to reset once you start to lose control

but yeah

poison pocket sand can save you alot of trouble in those situations

[rapid token]

yeah i try to save chem grenades for more chaotic situations and end up sleeping on them when its just a raid of crushers

[tropic crag]

honestly all 3 blitzes work fine but i take the blackouts because you get so many of them

so you can just use them super liberally against crushers and things

[rapid token]

but they do no damage how can they be good

[zealous ravine]

make em do dmg with toxin explosion

[tropic crag]

lol they do good damage if you put tox on them, but even without that they knock over groups of crushers

which gives you free safety

their main problem is that they can struggle to knock over bulwarks if the bulwarks are already bracing from a shield hit

but other then that they are a free "press this button to get breathing room" button that recharges itself fast

[ripe seal]

the range is a bit small but instant stagger in a can is good, I just wish the regen on them didn't work weirdly

especially as a fallback that's stamina free that has range, though it feels hard to use outside point blank range

[peak bloom]

shout in a can

[hardy maple]

Just hear a scream trail off after the grenade goes off

[peak bloom]

i would use blinders if they had modifier nodes

[tropic crag]

for a while i felt the same but over time i've been able to nail things from a distance to help out friendlies who are netted as i get to them or just to stop them from taking a back hit

[ripe seal]

yeah, could be a bit better, but I can tell I'm not using them the best

[tropic crag]

lol i wouldn't argue with a small radius increase on the explosion

because there are still moments were i'm like "wow that didn't hit them?"

[astral canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-sure-invincible-omni-man-gif-5616820831685056542

[tropic crag]

its such a good weapon on the scum

try it

it might be one of my new mains lol

its fun when you're fast

[zealous ravine]

not entirely

[ripe seal]

finally got the toughness penance, I'm gonna undo the build now but I th ink i'm gonna kinda miss the low cooldown instant toughness box playstyle

[astral canyon]

(I did)

[ripe seal]

getting 50% toughness regen instantly from the stim as well as from chem fortified and stacking both resistances was nice but I think a crate spam build would benefit more with something else

[neat delta]

I really wonder how the hell you move this fast.

I've seen you move similarly on arbitrator

[woeful hill]

side dodge

[ripe seal]

daggers should be high mobility and I think stim is active so they probably have the dodge bonus there as well as extended dodges

[zenith fern]

zero fucks given in to do objective

Everyone kept dying and I barely took any health damage through the entire mission

[neat delta]

When should I use it

I found I used it too much fighting enemies like crushers

[zenith fern]

the entire unclean ones have come

[azure scroll]

What's with the Shiv marks? III just seems entirely worse?

[woeful hill]

yes

meant for gears

[azure scroll]

Ah. Okay. I thought so, just assumed I was missing something.

[spark gyro]

this sight alone would be enough for me to kill myself

[zenith fern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1377109813854736494.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=TheSilly

[ripe seal]

I view them entirely how I view the different marks on the knife

[zenith fern]

most funny that there was a russian guy talking whatever nonsense by nearly everytime a teammate or himself goes down

[spark gyro]

i instantly mute people whenever i notice they talk so i wouldnt have to deal with that

[bronze glade]

III is very funny for light spam

but that

is about it

[zenith fern]

if i hear people screaming on vc while they keep dying, it is more motives for me to keep clutching while i am being spectated

aura farm for myself

[peak bloom]

i rarely hear people on vc

once just now i heard a guy say "get me up" in between trials waves (it was just me and another dude for so long we thought he was a bot)

[spark gyro]

i hate hearing other people unless i know them

it just makes me mad

[peak bloom]

this guy HATES his fellow human beings

[spark gyro]

autistic

if the voice im hearing isnt someone im already familiar

i want them extinguished

[mighty belfry]

Remember that clutch I was doing when we were playing that one time in Havoc?

Side dodging carried me pretty much until that trapper basically forced me to tunnel it just to get eaten by the bonbon lol

Scum's side dodges are just insane in general but every class can do that to an extent. Just not to the extent that this class can.

[brittle sierra]

ANIME CONVENTION AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[haughty slate]

RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH IM SCOOMINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

[harsh reef]

On mortis

[mighty belfry]

200% more damage for 30s

What the hell is surviving long enough for 30s to be necessary

Not even bosses last long in mortis lmaooo

[harsh reef]

Havoc 40 blue stimmed Rotten armor gang

[flat mist]

Too stronk, nerf mortis buffs

[frigid sluice]

So blinder desperado

[pallid quail]

nah rocket launcher cus funny

[frigid sluice]

Truth nuke

It has backblast too right

[hardy maple]

wait does it?

[frigid sluice]

I don’t know I heard someone here mention it

[harsh reef]

It does, deal fire dot

[frigid sluice]

That or it was helldivers my memory is genuinely awful

[bronze glade]

it does

doesn't do much but it's there

[frigid sluice]

feels like my game is chugging do yall got any performance mod suggestions

[main wagon]

Go to push a burster and a poxwalker breaks my stamina :)))

[haughty slate]

Does anyone know why my crit chance with the revolver goes up 15.8% after I fire the first bullet?

Is that accurate?

Must be a bug with the mod... it's happening with nothing on the talent tree

[harsh reef]

Crucian blessing?

[mighty belfry]

Revolver has innate crit chance

It just doesn't show until you're in an active attack animation

It's weird.

[haughty slate]

It has...15.8% crit chance?

also my shredder goes down 2% after the first bullet

me thinks this is a bug

[mighty belfry]

I don't know the actual calculation but I do know revolver does have a decently packed crit chance from its crit bonus stat

And shredder going down is actually intentional

It's to keep crit strings in check

Same thing happens to the infantry autoguns

[haughty slate]

OHHHHH you're so right

the critical bonus stat

no wonder it's a weird amount

thank ya!

[mighty belfry]

welcome

[low harbor]

Shredder auto’s ranged attacks have -2% crit chance

Revolver’s ranged attack has up to +21% crit chance

[haughty badger]

is this ridiculous vertical recoil with the -recoil stim a known issue?

it doesnt always happen, only sometimes

might also be a console or combat shotgun only thing

[mighty belfry]

i've had it happen to me on pc

idk what causes it

but it seems like the recoil goes on the fritz trying to recenter

to where it just start flinging around everywhere

[haughty badger]

I've only ever seen it when I had the reduced recoil stim so I think it's related to that

and actually I think only with the stimm supply

[final temple]

happens when you accidentially multi stack. the recoil reduction flows over and becomes exaggerated recoil

[mighty belfry]

aaahhhh

that makes sense

[haughty badger]

so stimm supply recoil reduction then. just multi stacks the recoil reduction

[final temple]

yeah. also happens when several scum have recoil reduction and you stack it that way. apparently FS never considered the possibility of values overflowing…

[haughty badger]

[compact valley]

so if im running rashaad is adrenaline a good idea over chem dependency?

[low harbor]

Yea

[mighty belfry]

rashad isn't as dependent on crit

so ya

[low harbor]

I’m coping rn trying to find the lerp parameter for Crucis TH push atk’s stagger

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[haughty badger]

Rpg my beloved

[lost bear]

is there something screwy with Melk RNG curios?

spent like 4x the currency that I did with Arbites and still don't have a full set

[woeful hill]

nope

thats what RNG is

[trim wind]

that's just the Melk Guarantee at work

[woeful hill]

its random

[haughty slate]

I wish I was recording that

I just shot a dog 3 times in the face with a shotgun

not only did it not die

it didn't stagger once

and ate my ass

oh fatshark

[charred bronze]

man Power DI absolutely destroyed my framerate

think I'll stick with scoreboard.

[novel oracle]

i love abusing enemy ai behavior

[loud herald]

cinema

[bronze glade]

#clankerlivesmatter

[tropic crag]

kruber sneaking into my darktide

[unique condor]

is there away to turn off stimm supply efx?

[pallid quail]

mods

[arctic grove]

Why doesn’t this class get access to the bolter?

[tropic crag]

they said once we kick the stim habit we can have bolters

[arctic grove]

That’s gonna be hard

[tropic crag]

yeah

[arctic grove]

I want to run desperado and the bolter 🙁

[mint valve]

Any of you got a crowbar+rampage build

Preferably with a stimm included

[frigid sluice]

There’s one in pins

[rich carbon]

what guns do pickpocket hivescum (not desperado) builds like?

so far ive been using shredder, but i heard vraks iag is good

[frigid sluice]

Every gun likes infinite ammo

[rich carbon]

well ofc

what guns work best as a primary tho

like this build is full ranged focus

im only using my knives if there isn't an elite in sight to kill

[woeful hill]

All of them

[frigid sluice]

Full ranged focus and not running desperado?

[rich carbon]

stimm supply my goat

[woeful hill]

My fav is double barrel

[frigid sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/daiwa-scarlet-daiwa-try-not-to-laugh-ishowspeed-dasca-gif-7053030785952324560

[woeful hill]

https://youtu.be/9kYDIUIkw2I?si=ap2QskIRtJSGoZe7

If you run crit stims

[rich carbon]

heres what i'm running

[woeful hill]

You could do a funny manstopper build

[frigid sluice]

My favorite

The triple barrel

[woeful hill]

Yes

[rich carbon]

wait that sounds fucking hilarious

i see KSG in thumbnail i'm hooked

wait thats not KSG

KRM

[woeful hill]

Yes

Krm

[rich carbon]

and this is a full ranged build?

yknow what fuck yeah can i get the tree

OH its in the video :3

[drifting heron]

The build is optimized for blight spreads btw

[rich carbon]

wait speedload deathspitter?

[drifting heron]

With the 1 point stim investment

[rich carbon]

blight spreads?

[drifting heron]

Havoc mod

[rich carbon]

ohhh

could I get a non havoc ver?

im still working on getting used to damnation lol

[drifting heron]

Just fix it yourself

And fully invest your stim

[woeful hill]

Also remove, unload talent

It doesn't work with double barrel

[rich carbon]

also no manstopper?

[woeful hill]

I didn't get enough crit to be worth imo

I'd be at 30%

[rich carbon]

what about on a full crit stimm setup

[woeful hill]

I'd rather be around 50% for a manstopper build

[rich carbon]

if i'm running crit stimm can i run manstopper

[woeful hill]

Try it out

Test it

I only run havoc so my results vary

[rich carbon]

ah fair

[woeful hill]

Plus I play alot different then most

[rich carbon]

hmm

hold on

since im playing lower diff I wanna try a few things

[woeful hill]

Just know manstopper does get stopped by carapace

[rich carbon]

thats what boom bringer is for :3

[drifting heron]

Scab rager

[rich carbon]

ah fair

[drifting heron]

Scab ragers will eat all your cleave

[rich carbon]

what is base crit chance on shotty

[drifting heron]

It has no mod

[woeful hill]

Somewhere between 0-5

[rich carbon]

ah ok

tbh im almost tempted to run chem dep

[drifting heron]

Dependency is lame

[rich carbon]

yknow what thats so real

[woeful hill]

It gives crit

For manstopper

20% with 4 stacks

20 from butterfly

[rich carbon]

this build will not hit 4 stacks

[woeful hill]

10 from class

And whatever from stims

[rich carbon]

the way im setting it up

hm
chem dep or vulture's mark

vultures is more damage but chem dep is desperado spam

[woeful hill]

Chem probably would help a more mixed playstyle

Since it's melee and ranged

*the crit chance

[queen spade]

The combat axe...why has noone told me it's this peak?

[mint valve]

Were you born yesterday 🐴

Combat axe rocks ass with crits and headtaker

[queen spade]

No, just never used it😭

I usually use the ones that look cool and that look like they can kick ass

[mint valve]

Every weapon can do that

You just have to use it right

[queen spade]

Yeah, true

[mint valve]

For example: usually the combat knife is an extreme skill gap away from being goated

But once youre over that gap

It starts to show itself

[queen spade]

Yeah

I just picked up the combat axe for a penance, and now I'm hooked

[mint valve]

I was hooked at first but quickly realized that there are more fun choices for me

Yes it can chew everything

But armor is

Not fun to deal with with a ca

Its far too slow compared to something else, to ironically the taxe

[queen spade]

I'm using it for brutal blugeons

[astral sundial]

What blesses would I want on the Rashad Caxe ?

[weak mason]

I am looking at pins but don't really understand, could someone explain like I am 5 the difference between the needle pistol marls?

Mark2 is less single target tamage but more AoE explosion damage?

[mint valve]

No idea

All i know is needle go pew and melt boss health bar

[zenith fern]

Mk6 more single target
MK2 crowd clear chems

As far someone explained to me few days ago

[mint valve]

Still does mad dot to everything regardless

Both is good

[zenith fern]

I still never find any use for alt fire on mk6

As I just mainly use for single target kills

Just a quick needle shot to most specials and elites and dead

[astral sundial]

Noooooo. I accidentally sacrificed my Chaxe

XD

Fuuuuuuck

[mint valve]

Darktide is a love hate relationship i stg

Ive bought 40+ shivs at lvl 30

And none of them

Not one fucking shiv

Had 60 mobility

Fahhhhh

But ive rolled 2 perfect needlers now

[astral canyon]

Brutal momentum and headtaker

[unreal stirrup]

literally the only option

[astral sundial]

Ty

[candid flint]

l,faooo lmaooo omaoo roflmaooo lmaoo lmfaoooooo brooo

have you tried idk just having more lucK????? LMFAOOOOO rofl

[zenith fern]

this is unusual to happen on public lobby

[compact oyster]

unc has gone insane

[astral canyon]

Botless?

[zenith fern]

yes

[astral canyon]

Interesting

[zenith fern]

Mostly ranged scab with rampage and needler surely does beautiful things

[hardy canyon]

so uh, im working on making an adrenaline build
should I take adrenaline assassin or adrenaline smiter?

[rare stirrup]

The one that's on the right

Forgot the name

[astral canyon]

The one for killing blows

[marsh plover]

How should i build my braced autogun

[broken bear]

Just have the show true stats mod

Out of 15, one has it

[astral canyon]

Hammers

[marsh plover]

????

[astral canyon]

Build one using hammers

[foggy phoenix]

Rotten armor for assignment level 1 seems like a rude awakening.

[astral canyon]

And a box of scraps

[marsh plover]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-bite-gif-25923608

[vocal saffron]

MEEEEEE

[zenith pagoda]

500 crushers

https://tenor.com/view/the-orville-orville-500-cigarettes-bortus-cigarette-gif-7817588290560023790

[drifting void]

why yes i did lookup my characters name to see if anyone had mentioned it here

[lost bear]

incredibly based

[worn yoke]

Hello!! 👋

[rapid token]

ok, from scum's arsenal what's straight up the top 2 ranged weapons against crushers

[vocal saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/reze-tongue-out-reze-chainsaw-man-moving-her-head-reze-head-moving-reze-chainsaw-man-gif-15937294161332759512

[rapid token]

i say top 2 because i dont want to get stuck with the most unsatisfying needle gun ever

[vocal saffron]

the needle gun

srry

[worn yoke]

Its always the needle gun

[rapid token]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/334559751243300874/1450490210214346902/dogfreakout.gif

[worn yoke]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1378625015637082125.webp?size=96&animated=true

goog i dont have perms

[rapid token]

k fine, anybody know if ranged damage up things work on the poison?

guess i'll get testing meanwhile

doesnt seem this does anythin

[worn yoke]

From my personal experience its seemingly that almost no damage blessing etc affects the needle pistol or its chem poison

[rapid token]

this seems to work

ye 142 ticks -> 169 ticks

speedloader doesn't work unless you get lucky and kill with the very low damage shot itself

[limber cradle]

Correct

[rapid token]

i don't have an AI mod in here, anybody know if this works

then again this shit only has 2 dodges not something i should be relying on

[haughty badger]

it works. it's only 3 seconds though so uptime leaves something to be desired

[rapid token]

ill drop it to get the recoil and spread one

[haughty badger]

what's your ranged?

[rapid token]

i'm swapping from braced revolver spam to needle spam because its not working as i go up in havoc

worked fine in havoc 20 is not working fine in havoc 30

[haughty badger]

recoil and spread doesnt seem useful for the needler to me

[rapid token]

it has pretty bad accuracy

missed a shot there

[haughty badger]

eh, I've mever had much issue personally. spreads not perfect, but it's plenty good enough and you can always ads to fix it

[astral canyon]

This is actually all damage, not just ranged

[zealous ravine]

thanks fatshark

[limber cradle]

I always figured it was "all damage in 12.5 meters"

[mystic rain]

whats the dump stat on dual shivs?

[kind mist]

needle pistol gets massively more accurate when crouching.

[novel oracle]

It also transitions there during a slide too

So you can shoot at the end of a slide and its super pinpoint accurate

[novel oracle]

Mobility

[haughty badger]

well it's all damage while ranged is equipped so for most players this description is plenty good enough

[novel oracle]

No, that one is all damage within 12.5m

You're thinking of the other one to the left of it

[haughty badger]

oh yeah I confused it. since wuick and deadly being all damage is so obviously everything imo

[tranquil berry]

Look, this is fatshark. If it was obvious what talents do it'd be boring. You need a little mystery and unexpected consequences in your life.

I want a build randomizer feature

[zealous ravine]

you need a little hype and aura in the talents sometimes

[haughty badger]

honestly, most skills are well described, especially since devs arent gonna clarify most behind the scene mechanics because that often becomes obtuse

[zealous ravine]

just gimme an advanced description button

we need it so scriers gaze gets a few more paragraphs

[noble latch]

do other weapons have additional steps to weapon inspecting? i had no idea you could left click and start inspecting the mag

[zealous ravine]

what

[candid flint]

that is news to me

[noble latch]

same to me

just randomly left clicked while inspecting the vraks inf

[zealous ravine]

no hecking way

[noble latch]

i dont think its a thing on all weapons, the dual auto pistols dont have it anyway

and then right clicking puts the mag back in

pretty cool, but had no idea this was even a thing

looks like its at least an autogun thing, the braced auto also has it

[zealous ravine]

this is photoshopped not real

[noble latch]

inspecting the mag at low ammo, actually gives it low ammo

no way

its not an accurate low ammo, but still

[zealous ravine]

vigilant auto has it

[noble latch]

or wait maybe it is

since the mag has the 10 round mark

nevermind, i think the ammo counts do line up, at least until the magazines 'limit' of 40 or so

[north crow]

my 3 shot DBL disagreess

[zealous ravine]

haaadroooon they're goofing your gun up agaain

[north crow]

which reminds me, need to get the new 3-barrel gun in witchfire

[granite pulsar]

Any thoughts on if I should move the 5% crit node on the left? Maybe to Quick and Deadly?
Basic Shiv + Needle weapons.
Also wondering if I should drop things for Sweet Spot or Pickpocket.
I prefer the blackout grenades + pocket toxin so I can give up grenades to other players.

[mystic rain]

dual stubbies unlocked

[muted pivot]

How good are blackouts with toxin? Frag grenade equivalent?

[granite pulsar]

(Note I just play Auric)
They aren't bad at all, I really enjoy getting to use them on almost every group of enemies since you regen them quickly. They aren't like a powerful Chem Grenade, but I think they work well to just soften up most groups of enemies during a match.
Also use them to get player revives while the enemies are stunned

[tender marten]

Quick and Deadly is a global damage boost. You want that.

[foggy phoenix]

1 blackout can wipe out trash mobs over a period of time

[lapis raft]

ok chainaxe on scum is very fun

[bronze glade]

30% uptime

[lapis raft]

now what blessings do you actually take on chainaxe, i assume just str as you dont rly give a shit about brittle or rending right

[tranquil fjord]

headtaker/slaughter for mark4

headtaker/slaughterer/thrust for mark12

[lapis raft]

yea makes sense, ty

[tranquil fjord]

does the chainaxe give a stack of adrenaline frenzy for every rev tick? or simply once per rev attack

[rotund agate]

once per attack

[tranquil fjord]

thats stupid

[rotund agate]

I agree, but that has been the problem with chain weapons since the beginning, so I guess I have just gotten used to it.

[bronze glade]

HT slaughterer on both marks

the two combined are pretty insane

no reason not to take both blessings

[brittle sierra]

Is chain axe actually strong on Scum?

Like Rashad strong?

[bronze glade]

well nothing is rashad strong on HIV lol

but chaxe is very close

[foggy phoenix]

I finally reached havoc 30. And it was with scum.

[brittle sierra]

Which mark?

[foggy phoenix]

I'm never joining a blight spreads modifier match again without a zealot, because scum stimm supply being the only corruption clear for the entire team in a manufactorum map resulted in too many premature deaths due to corruption vomit on the ground

[brittle sierra]

I don't think it's necessary

Because remember the crate also makes you IMMUNE to the blight when you step on it

If your team is actually using it properly you can just go thru the mission as normal

[foggy phoenix]

The temporary corruption immunity only helps so much when you're forced to fight in narrow corridors, and the trash mobs keep turning into yellow puddles

[brittle sierra]

Zealot doesn't provide that unfortunately

[lapis raft]

well the corruption immunity can be permanent not just temporary on scum

[foggy phoenix]

Zealot purity aura does passive corruption cleanse

And there are lapses between stimm supply drops

[brittle sierra]

That's fine, but the issue with blight isn't the corruption itself it is how it chokes you into a bad position

Hive removes that

[foggy phoenix]

The only thing I'm grateful for

Is corruption immunity lets you ignore the temu twin brother's mines

[limber cradle]

I hate using box but the QoL box provides into blight means I use box

[foggy phoenix]

And there were too many times where they literally trapped us in elevators

Or those checkpoint rooms

[stark stone]

I will never stop using the dual stub pistols, I love these fuckass weapons too much.

Only thing that pisses me off is the odd number of ammo for what is 2 guns

Does one just have a slightly smaller mag?

[foggy phoenix]

Going through a checkpoint, only to be greeted by the temu twins and 2 random monstrosities is the only thing I can never get used to.

[charred bronze]

lol, never noticed. that's mildly infuriating

[foggy phoenix]

At least tox spam kills the regular monstrosities quickly

[stark stone]

T e m u T w i n s

[charred bronze]

one mag is a round short for reliability. they are 1911s after all

[stark stone]

It is, regardless I am a twin stub pistol apologist

[foggy phoenix]

I like to call them the "random public party compentency test"

[stark stone]

Oh?

[charred bronze]

DAPs 4 lyfe

[stark stone]

Those are fun too

[foggy phoenix]

If the twins showing up the beginning of the level didn't wipe out your party, you'll make it through to the end.

[dim moth]

oh my go to plan is usually to take melee twin, break off, and kill her myself

random havoc teammates are garbage, but they usually aren't "die to ranged twin" garbage

[vivid wedge]

The way you fix hive scums terrible twins/captin kill time is just become a door kill master

[dim moth]

oh hive scum has bad twins/captains damage?

news to me

[foggy phoenix]

Cries in completely door-less maps, bereft of such modern wonders

There was also a time I was in the cooling rods mission in manufactorum, and in spite of a prompt, the door... Never closed.

It just remained completely open

[charred bronze]

at least we take the shields down fast?

[vivid wedge]

Trueee lol

[foggy phoenix]

Then a time when 3/4s of the entire party was literally locked behind an elevator door

Elevator door only ever opened when a mutant was trying to get through it

[limber cradle]

Tox go brrrt

[foggy phoenix]

And it took us a few minutes to figure that out

[obsidian crown]

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-too-scared-to-ask-i'm-too-afraid-to-ask-i-don't-know-and-at-this-point-i'm-too-afraid-to-ask-i-don't-know-what-that-means-i-don't-know-gif-7269756797255381457

[foggy phoenix]

At first, the elevator was closed, and right before it opened, the mutant stood behind it and it opened on its own- Then closed shortly after like it was a spawn door.

[limber cradle]

Terrible kill time compared to what exactly

Like what's your metric here

[obsidian crown]

||noob metric||

[vivid wedge]

lol yes I was super serious about door killer hive scum concept

[limber cradle]

Look, I see some of the most god awful takes in the world in this chat daily so

I gotta make sure

[woeful trellis]

ogryn vet scum psyker was the smoothest twins kill i ever had, bubble + crate just nullifies the ranged twin completely and then we killed the melee twin basically instantly after popping the shield thanks to skullcrusher + focus target

and there's no chance of it going wrong because taunt ogryn can just hold the melee twin completely still while everyone else breaks the shield

actually i bet shroudfield thunder hammer would've been even faster - idk if it can oneshot twins because iirc they have some damage cap on them, but it should stil be extremely fast

[bronze glade]

12s a bit better

[north saddle]

Hot take, pure dps output isnt the only or even most important parameter of a player performance because darktide is a team effort and not fucking up (like shooting poxbursters infront of your teammates) and proper enemy selection and map placements are just as If not even more important than pure dps.

Because its completley irrelevant of you did 50k damage on a horde If you fail to kill the trapper that bamboozled your entire team

[limber cradle]

Something something but the scoreboard says I have the biggest number so everyone else sucks

[junior dune]

green circle chasers from VT2 be like

[woeful trellis]

"not enough dps" is a very easy way to lose, but there are many other ways that you can also lose (like barrels...)

[junior dune]

i fucking love crackhead stim addict stabbing wildly and gunning people down with dual uzis

very fun archetype

unfortunately I just maxed out my mastery of shivs and uzis so I guess I'll swap to some different weapons

either gunslinger w/ crowbar and dual pistols or chem-pilled toxin-maxxer

[limber cradle]

I ended up using the Macs the entire first day till I hit 30 tbh

[junior dune]

one of the best guns with which to kill people at point blank

[brittle sierra]

team effort?

[limber cradle]

What the fuck is a team Orcka

[limber cradle]

We're 4 people all trying to outcompete eachother for damage

[spark gyro]

chat how good is the dual stub pistols

[mint valve]

Im a console veteran

[foggy phoenix]

It has style.
That's uh... About it.

[haughty slate]

they're fine but disappointing... you spend half the game reloading

[rotund agate]

whenever I use dual stubbies, I have to use it with Ammo Jack no matter the actual build, just because only 14 bullets per full clip is too little...

[north saddle]

They are a choice...

Thats all i can say....

[spark gyro]

im liking them

theyre cool

[zealous ravine]

it has so much aura i basically only use them

[warm axle]

it is fun gun, and two of them make for double the fun!

they are perfectly capable guns in auric.

[lavish forge]

So where did a bunch of gangsters get an actual functioning missile launcher

[warm axle]

back alley, turns out you can just ask for one.

[zealous ravine]

swaggers lost stash

[sonic pumice]

So far which personality you folks are enjoying the most and would recommend to have?

[warm axle]

you can change it, dont sweat about getting locked into a “bad” one

[jaunty spire]

They're fun in a crit build

[sonic pumice]

Yeah but wanted to know opinions, I usually have issues focusing on the banter while fighting (I know it's happening but my brain is to focused on headshoting the trapper) so it's hard to figure which I would like the most

[spark gyro]

do you really think its hard for them to acquire one?

or maybe even put one together

here on brazil we have drug dealers getting found having american military grade stuff

[lavish forge]

Fair enoygh

[lavish forge]

Holy fuck what

[spark gyro]

how do you think these get here? corrupt politicans into arms and drug deals

powerful cartels and mafias who do trades

this stuff gets here from colombia or even the US itself

not hard to think the IoM is extremely corrupt or the gangsters couldve just stolen from the moebian 6 or even from the rejects

lol

[sonic pumice]

Hive scum: to close to home

[spark gyro]

yuh

hive scum represents me as a brazilian

[lavish forge]

Damn

That sucks bro

[lavish forge]

True

[spark gyro]

i dont live on the states where shit is bad mine is pretty fucking boring which im grateful as fuck

i pretty much live in the rural areas of brazil

[lavish forge]

Thats good at least

[spark gyro]

the dual stubs are good

[sonic pumice]

Shredder vs twin pistols vs dual stubbers the duel of the century

[haughty badger]

Wanted to show off my favorite build. uses combat shotgun and shivs. I recently dropped a few talents to grab extra blitz and sample collector, but not sure if I'll keep it like that. open to commentary but I dont plan on changing much since it's fun and has gotten me through havoc quite well so far

[spark gyro]

im feeling the aura as i run doing tricks with them

[zealous ravine]

real hype moments

[compact valley]

bro i tried rashaad and i think yall are capping, what makes it so good

[woeful hill]

damage and cleave

[compact valley]

for havoc 40?

[woeful hill]

yes

[compact valley]

even with that slow ass attack rate ?

[woeful hill]

yes

[zealous ravine]

i never really got rashad myself either lol

[worn yoke]

rashaad is the combat axe right

[compact valley]

idk how yall stomach it

yeah its the caxe

like when im in rampage no issue

[worn yoke]

ah gotcha i much prefer the tac axe mk4

[compact valley]

beyond that jfc i wanna die

[zealous ravine]

not really a fan of the darktide axes so far

[compact valley]

im using a chem dependency rampage build for context

[worn yoke]

(i think thats the blue one)

[zealous ravine]

are you using brutal momentum and headtaker?

[compact valley]

yeah, doesnt feel good even still

[haughty badger]

same. never used them outside the meat grinder

[compact valley]

What im running into isnt necessarily the damage its the attack speed being so awful

[zealous ravine]

i mean you can try AS stimm and swift endurance

adrenaline frenzy too

i dont think caxe really needs crit from chem dep too much? unsure

[compact valley]

I think it benefits somehow

[mighty belfry]

You want adren frenzy for Rashad for sure

[lavish bronze]

damn

[zealous ravine]

crits on rashad dont seem too great

only +50% damig

[vital tendon]

if i am using hyper critical, would precog be better or should i use flesh tearer

[zealous ravine]

precog probably

if hyper critical procs the bleed wont do anything

[vital tendon]

true

thanks

[dim moth]

I've used hyper crit with flesh tearer for some time now

bleed is still ~20% of my DoT damage

with the other 80% being chem tox

[exotic temple]

I just wish the clip was like double the size. I know people poop on the dmg but I’ll be honest the dps is really only limited but having to reload so often

[spark gyro]

im not having problem with neither tbh

[bronze glade]

the mag economy is pretty bad

[foggy phoenix]

The game is fine with autoguns having 70 rounds of ammo in a boxmag, but both the dual uzis and dual pistols somehow have closer to realistic magazine sizes

[obsidian crown]

Depends on the difficulty and quality of players you’re with

If you’re with good players in highest diff, the stubs will fall off hard unfortunately

[mighty belfry]

The stubs are

[obsidian crown]

It’s mid but doable

[mighty belfry]

Okay™

[obsidian crown]

Cool weapon though

I’m sure they’ll buff it

[limber cradle]

They're a very mid gun on a class with desperado enabled Macs and whatever the fuck is going on with Needler

[obsidian crown]

So dw about it

Surely they’ll double the mag size

[limber cradle]

I'd prefer more damage or maybe better crits

[obsidian crown]

Or

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[mighty belfry]

I want the spin shot to be better.

[limber cradle]

I agree

[mighty belfry]

It is inexcusably inconsistent

[spark gyro]

bleh im having a blast with them atm in auric

[limber cradle]

You can use anything on auric tbf

[obsidian crown]

Anything is viable in aurics

[worn yoke]

imo they should make the stubs have armor pen or something or be better at dealing with armored targets to make it stand out more from its brother the auto pistols

[obsidian crown]

But like

If you ran with me using dap or vraks

It’s gonna be unfun for you

[limber cradle]

Desp Macs actually trivializes auric so hard

[obsidian crown]

I’m interested to try it in havocs

[worn yoke]

desp macs?

[limber cradle]

Its eh rn with rot

[limber cradle]

The DAPs, dual auto pistols, and the left tree ability

[worn yoke]

ah

[obsidian crown]

I imagine crushers are annoying

But everything else should be fine, no?

[limber cradle]

Anything with rot armor is annoying to shoot at

And there's a lot of it

[obsidian crown]

Kinda funny though

They dropped a new class with desperado being a fun build

Then casually dropped rotten back into havoc rotation

Like 2 weeks later

[limber cradle]

I stopped playing DT again

Cause the modifiers for havoc mean I'm using shit i just do not find fun

Box trivializes Blight for the whole team

Needler trivializes rot armor

[obsidian crown]

Yeah

I find that build boring unfortunately

I like fast paced playstyle

[limber cradle]

I find it painfully boring

It actively makes me dislike playing darktide

[obsidian crown]

But gonna be playing bf6 mainly in the meantime then some sm2 I guess

[limber cradle]

Which is why I'm playing Silent Hill f

(Very good so far)

[obsidian crown]

Bf6 and sm2 for me

[worn yoke]

box as in stimm supply?

[limber cradle]

Yes

Right side ability

[worn yoke]

is being able to pop stim then box after intended btw

[vivid wedge]

I don't think so

[mighty belfry]

Yes. Getting the benefits of the stimm twice by doing that? I dunno.

[echo python]

Yeah, the box isn't intended to copy your stimm if it's still regenerating. But an unstimm'd box will still give the corruption immunity and corruption cleanse.

[worn yoke]

i also noticed if my stim is back up before my box and i pop stim it instantly gives me box

[limber cradle]

Stimm and Box defo still interacting in unintended ways I think

[mighty belfry]

Because you probably have practiced deployment

[candid flint]

i wish she would stimm my box and interact with it in unintended ways 😔

[worn yoke]

ah you're totally right that flew past my brain

[candid flint]

throwing out a random dmg number as good is weird

idk just compare it to your team's damage

is your damage the lowest, when using a dps ability? then your damage is bad

is your damage the highest or among the highest in the team when using the dps ability? your damage is good

[dim moth]

yeah lets start by making it not have a directly inferior crit boost stat to the other weapons that have it

by doubling the crit damage and crit chance the stat provides :)

[limber cradle]

Concurred and agreed

[tender marten]

just make them spin more

[dim moth]

revolver critical bonus stat

[echo fog]

There's gotta be a better way of using stimms than making ults more ult-y

[dim moth]

dual stub pistols critical bonus stat

tactical axe critical bonus stat

[tender marten]

damn only .12% extra crit smh

[brittle sierra]

Yeah because there is a subnode for the box that resets the cooldown when the stimm is off cooldown

People don't notice it because there isn't a timer for the stimms

But they are a different cooldown to the ability

[brittle sierra]

YIKES

[echo fog]

What's the difference between the two needle gun marks?

[limber cradle]

II special attack makes things explode into tox and applies stacks to stuff around em

[tender marten]

in the first pins

[brittle sierra]

Mk 6 is better

[haughty badger]

I use it when ability is on cooldown particularly rampage

[echo fog]

I forgot pins existed

[limber cradle]

VI special attack explodes and staggers and does some flat damage

[brittle sierra]

Trust don't question it

[limber cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/liar-anakin-gif-21992662

[sonic pumice]

If you only whip it for Caparace it's better that mk? Or are you misinformation spreading?

[echo fog]

Yeah cuz for a desperado build I'll max out reload speed and inject when I use the ult to get the most use out of the ability but I feel like building a stimm for when you Aren't ulting is the intended use

[brittle sierra]

Yes

[sonic pumice]

I KNEW IT

[brittle sierra]

It's better in almost every scenario except for trash hordes

[haughty badger]

there's multiple uses tbh. it's quite versatile. could also use no stim at all

[supple gate]

what enemies count as human sized?

[brittle sierra]

Yes

[haughty badger]

non-ogryn non-boss

to my knowledge

[supple gate]

mutants?

[haughty badger]

not sure

[brittle sierra]

Mutants just go to the gym

[limber cradle]

Iirc most everything that isn't a mutant, ogryn, or bosses

[echo fog]

What enemies can brittleness affect outside of carapace/flak?

[brittle sierra]

Maniac, unyield

[echo fog]

So even those shirtless cult ragers?

[brittle sierra]

Yes

Those are maniacs

[echo fog]

Awesome

[supple gate]

just insta kill them and problem solved

[brittle sierra]

But I need to ask why do you care about brittle on.....

No

NOOOOOO

[bronze glade]

the main thing brittlness is good for is carapace. that's it.

[supple gate]

?

[bronze glade]

and maybe h40 bosses?

[haughty badger]

rending too. didnt think rending would be worthwhile on unuielding enemies but 100% rending nearly doubled my shiv damage on unyielding

[echo fog]

I don't use the right side of the tree very much but when I build around it I take bonesaw since I'm already DoTmaxxing

[bronze glade]

rending is different

and basically better tbh

[rotund agate]

so wait, everything that's not infested/unarmoured is affected by rending/brittleness buffs?! I thought it was just flak/carapace...

[bronze glade]

yeah

[haughty badger]

what's different about rending other than who gets the buff? my understanding is that rending bypasses a portion of armor for your weapon while brittleness allows all attacks to bypass a portion of armor against that enemy. difference of being applied to attack or enemy. is this wrong?

[final temple]

anything that is not an ogryn or a monstrosity. so yes, mutants and hounds count.

[dim moth]

that is infact the difference

[bronze glade]

1:1 it's the same effect, but the fact that it's a buff to you rather than a debuff on one specific enemy like brittleness makes a huge difference

it means you don't need to waste time stacking brittleness

[haughty badger]

cool then for the purposes of the conversation, rending was functionally identical

[bronze glade]

nope

one of the big issues with brittleness is that you need to stack it first

so yes technically most enemies are impacted

[haughty badger]

BUT we werent talking about stacking it

[bronze glade]

but most enemies are also going to be dead

if you hit them multiple times

to stack brittleness

[haughty badger]

I know the differences and shortcomings

[bronze glade]

like uncanny strike is great because it's just instantly there

[haughty badger]

they werent relevant to the topic because the topic was what armor types it applies to

[bronze glade]

but if it were applying brittleness, it wouldn't be so good

unless it applied 40% on the first hit or something stupid like that

[haughty badger]

bro is still rambling

I know dude

[dim moth]

helbore brittleness blessing be like

and nobody uses it because turns out the helbores usually just kill what you shoot with them

[bronze glade]

didn't sound like it, but ok

[dim moth]

also yes you are like

100% rambling

[bronze glade]

and this is in the context of the brittleness discussion earlier

sooooooooo

[haughty badger]

I explained the difference. it wasnt relevant to the specific context I mentioned rending in

[bronze glade]

which was in the broader context of a discussion about brittleness

[charred bronze]

You'd think they could call it armor piercing and strip armor or something straightforward

[brittle sierra]

Ok but why do you care about brittle?

[limber cradle]

Rending is a 40k tabletop term

[haughty badger]

and I mentioned rending because rending can reach 100% armor penetration, which I used to make clear that armor bypass is good against unyielding. ij that context the difference between rending and brittleness didnt matter

[echo fog]

Removing armor from big guys for my team seems helpful and good

[limber cradle]

Same reason power is called strength iirc

[bronze glade]

yeah i mean this is why i was explaining it

[bronze glade]

exactly the reason why

[charred bronze]

Ah. Eh, still

[limber cradle]

Talk to GW about it

[bronze glade]

and why wounds are called wounds

[brittle sierra]

Please don't

[bronze glade]

OH WAIT

[echo fog]

Why's that

[dim moth]

yeah but the scuffed thing about it is the best sources of brittleness are usually on single target weapons that already demolish carapace

[bronze glade]

brittleness is ok but extremely overrated for the reasons i explain above

[dim moth]

ogryn push brittleness is v good tho

[brittle sierra]

Because if you are going right side bonesaw, you can't put the dots and brittle at the same time

[echo fog]

I see..

[bronze glade]

yeah and saw brittleness is strictly for crushers basically

[echo fog]

I haven't used much of the right side but I'd run bonesaw n needle

[dim moth]

actually does saw brittleness work on captain shields?

could help with chem tox damage

[brittle sierra]

It's also not good on boss because there is more value on stacking the dots than the brittle

[haughty badger]

chem tox good against captain shields?

[dim moth]

0.1 ADM

no

[echo fog]

Brittleness seems helpful with inferno staff

[brittle sierra]

Yes, but so does dot

Which is strange

Lmao

[dim moth]

they didn't want scum to just melt captains through their shields

it's weird thematically but makes sense gameplay wise

[limber cradle]

How come sometimes dot ticks on captain HP when shield is up?

[dim moth]

bleed does

[brittle sierra]

So the dot doesn't hurt their health but it slowly chips at the shield

[haughty badger]

oh you meant in combination with brittleness it could be. if shield is affected. I see

[limber cradle]

Til, thanks

[brittle sierra]

But what's interesting is when the shield pops they instantly get 30 stacks of damage

[dim moth]

bleed cannot be applied to captain shields, but will damage them through it while applied

[echo fog]

There's a difference in intended playstyle between chastise zealot and carnage scum but I couldn't give you the specifics

[dim moth]

fury zealot focuses on short cooldown quick bursts of damage while rampage scum has a much longer window of burst damage and longer downtime

[echo fog]

[haughty badger]

for playstyle, scum is more dodgy. otherwise depends more on the weapon than the build, especially for Zealot. for scum some depends more on what skills you take in the bottom trees

lots of overlap though for sure

[echo fog]

Gotcha

[random shuttle]

Ah good to be back home and playing dorktide

[dim moth]

path of exile has consumed me once again so no dorktide for me :(

[split lagoon]

What blessings do you recommend for shivs (Vulture's build)?

[bronze glade]

uncanny riposte is my default on all builds

[split lagoon]

Carapace + Flak too?

[worn yoke]

i do uncanny and precog

[dim moth]

I also prefer precog for damage shivs on scum

[worn yoke]

yessir

[bronze glade]

i'd prob go carayielding, but caraflak is fine too

idk about precog

i think it has less value with hypercrit

so it's really only for crushers and some bosses

[worn yoke]

how is bolt pistol with desperado?

[split lagoon]

Aaaand... Dual autopistols? Blaze + Speedload?

[bronze glade]

yeah for desp blaze/speedload

[bronze glade]

explosive bistol? good. original bistol? don't bother

[worn yoke]

gotcha

[split lagoon]

I've been trying the vraks (old columnus for us old timers) and it's pretty good but mobility wise... Meh, prefer autopistols

[worn yoke]

iag do be pretty dang good

[bronze glade]

vraks is very strong yeah

[compact valley]

im seeing why yall like rashaad now, its the steady pacing

[split lagoon]

Is needle any worth on desperado builds?

[compact valley]

i guess my adhd ass cant handle slow and steady

[bronze glade]

definitely works, but i hope you really really really like reloading

[split lagoon]

I LOOOVE reloading, specially spending the whole game doing it

[bronze glade]

you'll prob like it then lol

[split lagoon]

Not ever gonna touch that shit, lmao

[bronze glade]

you should try double barrel desperado

[split lagoon]

Is that worse than needle reloading?

I guess it is

Probably my least favourite gun in the whole game

Probably my least favourite weapon

[bronze glade]

well the reload is faster at least

but you do have 3 shots max before reloading lol

[rapid token]

tried needle and while it can kill a crusher in a couple seconds

it also kills ANything in a couple seconds

[drowsy relic]

I'ts why I use both barrels lmfao

[rapid token]

including things that usually die in 0 seconds

so it ends up making it so i can't hold a backline for example, even with infinite ammo ult spam

whatevers in front eats the needles and dies after the swarm moves further in

loop until surrounded

so for now braced revolver actually back to being the best seeming choice

[dim moth]

fun fact about that gun

It can't consistently one shot poxwalkers!

[rapid token]

ye well im shooting 6 bullets every 3 seconds it doesnt need to

[dim moth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1448416004802740224/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.12.10_-_14.37.30.19.DVR_online-video-cutter.com.mp4?ex=6950eec5&is=694f9d45&hm=ec564d07a067151313fff31bb02e7450737c8606afbc3df63dadfa89c4b533ad&

[worn yoke]

i do not like that mk at all

[dim moth]

it's so cool and so fun

and it just

sucks

[worn yoke]

yeah i agree in most video games fan hammer pistols are pretty sweet

in this game it just does not feel good

[compact valley]

do yall use rampage with rashaad or would stim supply be a good play ?

[odd jetty]

Which IAG is the good one now? Is it not the columus anymore?

[limber cradle]

Vraks

[odd jetty]

ty

[limber cradle]

Np

[spiral horizon]

Either is fine, rampage is the more fun version imo

Pretty much as long as you have hyper violence Rashad will go crazy

[compact valley]

so hyper violence ? and im aiming for havoc 40 build

[mighty belfry]

Either or. But you do have to be aware that you'll never get the kinda output that rampage can do with supply

But hyperviolence is pretty much the real requirement for Rashad to shine

[spiral horizon]

Supply I’d take if blight is the modifier

Otherwise rampage

[split lagoon]

why not going taxe instead rashad? (I love rashad btw)

[mighty belfry]

Taxe works just fine too

[worn yoke]

when do you decide to go hyper crit or violence when picking a melee

[mighty belfry]

If little to no melee investment, hypercrit

If a lot of melee investment, hyperviolence

[worn yoke]

i see

so rampage builds will always go violence pretty much

[drifting heron]

Unless you're playing shivs or knife yeah

[spiral horizon]

Yeah like it’s also somewhat weapon dependent

I wouldn’t bother with hypercritical on something that isn’t stacking a ton of crit chance

[charred bronze]

I like both on the taxe. In the minority there though

[drifting heron]

One at a time

Right

[spiral horizon]

You can do some pretty funny stuff with it

[exotic temple]

Yeah if it were in between ttk of needle pistol and uzis on carapace I think that would be a decent niche

[charred bronze]

Stuff just dies fast, dies faster when I can build some H-V, but dies fast even when I can't. Preferable to me over building to some theoretical max H-V on a elite pack.

[mighty belfry]

Tbh even knife and shivs benefit heavily from violence with enough melee investment

[charred bronze]

Works at auric, H-V stacking is probably more important in havoc where it falls off naturally less

[drifting heron]

Its mostly 1 tap chaining though

Which is real rough if you miss

[worn yoke]

would love to see it be given a niche

[mighty belfry]

Nah, with enough cleave, hyperviolence is very abusable with those two

Any melee weapon in general with enough cleave can abuse hyperviolence since its function allows you to circumvent cleave distribution

[zenith pagoda]

Already got 3 17% toughness on my scum

[mighty belfry]

It's why the axes with BM in particularly are ridiculously strong.

[worn yoke]

bm? sorry not very familiar with the acronyms

[charred bronze]

Brutal Momentum. That one confused me too. Used to people calling it bromentum

[exotic temple]

Were you using the alt fire on the mk2? It spreads toxin on kills

[brittle sierra]

Brutal Momentum

[exotic temple]

Not saying it can’t still happen but it should be greatly mitigated

[exotic temple]

From the design I think it’s supposed to be a special sniping tool for melee builds but needle pistol, revolver and bolt pistol do the job better

[worn yoke]

goog my tac axe had headtaker and shred maybe i should try brutal momentum

[exotic temple]

So it would be cool if they would make it a decent alternative to dap for desperado and hybrid builds

[brittle sierra]

BM makes it a monster

[worn yoke]

gonna replace shred with it!

scum has made me really start loving the tac axe

[brittle sierra]

Use tac on Vet 😈

[worn yoke]

ooo true

scum and veteran are my favourite classes :D

using headtaker/bm and unyielding/flak on my mk4 taxe

needle will do the carapace job

[rapid token]

ye always

tested and the single target dot isn't much better than the aoe dot

so always using the explosion one

despite the aoeing its just too slow acting

works OK in trash mobs but those i can just melee anyway

[brittle sierra]

No, perks for tac is cara/unarmored

Best mark is mk7

[worn yoke]

oh really?

thought it was 4

also why unarmored over like flak or unyielding?

[drifting heron]

Bruiser oneshots

[molten shale]

I don't think the mk7 is one-shotting bruisers even with unarmoured

[drifting heron]

It is

Why would we suggest it if it didn't

[molten shale]

I can't get it to happen. Maybe it would with headtaker

[drifting heron]

What are you running over headtaker

[molten shale]

Back and forth with shred, given the hypercrit one-shots on ragers, shotgunners, and gunners

[drifting heron]

are you also running hv

[molten shale]

Yeah, but testing for cold hits

[drifting heron]

Don't run both hyperviolence and hypercrit

[rotund agate]

I thought we at one point agreed that running both was a good idea?

[bronze glade]

yeah i mean the counter-synergy really isn't that bad

[molten shale]

Shouldn't both be adding value? I understand running both reduces the marginal benefit of HV, but they only partially overlap in their activation

[zealous ravine]

i think while they do conflict the benefit still outweighs it so taking both works out lol

[worn yoke]

do you guys take sweet spot on rampage builds

[zealous ravine]

uh maybe with shivs?

usually theres better options

[worn yoke]

i see

[clear isle]

lads, what perks do you put on the bonesaw?

flak maniac?

[brittle sierra]

4 is probably the worst

[rotund agate]

what, the mk4 taxe? or do you mean some other melee?

[molten shale]

mk4 tacaxe can struggle to hit break points and benefits less from BM

[north saddle]

Played field impov vet with rocket scum and two staff psykers....

EVERYTHING IS BETTER WITH ROCKETS

Almost as fun as ammo crate big boom ogryn nade cheese

[lapis raft]

ew

[north saddle]

They are pretty much standard issue still for like every military and paramilitary force in the Imperium and still produced in factories...

Also there are several guard regiments stationed on atoma....

I dont think its difficult for the cartells to nick a few

And technically grenades/rockets and such are supplied by the morningstar and thus they probably come fresh of the forge world thats been hinted at in the dialogue with which hadron is in contact

[versed spruce]

I personally don't HV/HC because it can cut your ridiculous infinite HV scaling short, but outside of that it just helps HC proc more

[lapis raft]

hv actually doesnt have infinite scaling

it doesnt scale from itself and if your next overkill isnt bigger than previous one it will disable itself

[final temple]

I put flak carapace. but I run it with a cara unyielding needler

[clear isle]

Im using the same type of needle gun with it, thanks!

[final temple]

hive scum have access to so called ‘repurposed’ weapons. means they straight up stole em from manufactoria or pdf stockpiles

[mighty belfry]

People here not realizing the Conclave has a lot more resources than just some low tier crime gang

Think about how we perceive the word "Cartel"

Modern cartels have their own military forces.

[final temple]

there is no scenario in which HV adds a tangible benefit for HC and HC delays HV. they do not profit off each other and it’s just a waste of talent points. the anti-synergy is indeed not that bad but we look at like a 5% case where HC covers for what HV wouldn’t cover. it’s also extremely depending on the weapon. shivs profit off HC more while axes and hsword profit off HV. Rampage wants HV, desperado and supply both make HC shine more in comparison.

[jaunty coral]

ive been trying to refine/settle on a melee rampage build intended for h40, can you guys help me out? Its missing 1 point What should I spend the last point on/would you change anything? Red are what im thinking for the last point.
Blue is me considering going for weakpoint dmg on the daggers instead of pickpocket - worth on shivs?

What should I do with my stimms? full cooldown? Str + rending or finesse?

should i consider picking up HC over hv?

[final temple]

we have no idea how far the influence of the cartels reach. but we do know that for example necromunda gangs have all kinds of sources for equipment.

[mighty belfry]

That's not entirely correct. HV can infact provide some benefit for HC, like in the case of a mixed horde where you might end up cleaving through one target to hit the other that may have higher health. That extra flat damage can result in hitting the breakpoint to proc HC.

Now, whether it's worth investing two points for, is another matter entirely. Especially since HV can benefit HC but HC can't benefit HV at all.

It's really down to if you want better mixed horde clear with a weapon that can crit at the cost of having that HV applied to bigger targets.

Which is a pretty decent downside to consider.

[final temple]

in any halfway functional build HV by itself makes you oneshot the targets that you would hypothetically soften for HC. I get the rationale, it’s just not something that happens often enough to make it worthwhile

[mighty belfry]

Believe it or not, high havoc does kinda change how this plays out.

But that's high havoc.

Not really applicable to regular game play.

[molten shale]

Most discussion seems to focus on the value of any (anti-)synergy between HC and HV, which should be small compared to the value of the talents themselves. Mk7 tacaxe can HC a number of elites and muties without needing to build HV first; caxe benefits minimally from HC

[final temple]

I am talking high havoc specifically. anything below makes the difference between the choices extremely marginal.

[mighty belfry]

Idk man like, I could definitely feel some more consistency in the horde clear with the runs I used both on. But, I did also notice that the damage wouldn't transfer over to ogryn targets as consistently and that's what convinced me it wasn't the choice for me.

I personally don't think it's worth having both.

[final temple]

yeah. when we talk visibility alone then HV is a bad talent period.

[mighty belfry]

But I can see why someone would do it.

[final temple]

I ended up taking HC and simply softening bigger targets with ranged/toxin.

[mighty belfry]

It's a "if it works for you, it works for you" kinda deal

[novel oracle]

It cant hc muties

[lapis raft]

if you take both you are for sure skipping at least 1 good damage node for it instead and that 1 damage node will have more value than having both allocated

[novel oracle]

Theyre not human sized

[lapis raft]

for either hc alone or hv alone

[molten shale]

I thought I saw it activate while testing earlier, but it might've been a regular one-shot

[pallid quail]

when did mutants stop being human sized ?

[mighty belfry]

Yeah personally I would just try to invest in more raw damage

Erm

It works on mutants I'm pretty sure.

That's actually one of the biggest selling points of the node to me lmao

[molten shale]

Are you referring to a specific node here?

[lapis raft]

no, just melee scum having shitton of good damage nodes on tree

[mighty belfry]

Yeah checked Kuli guide

Doesn't say mutants are barred.

[novel oracle]

Maybe im delusional then

[molten shale]

I'm pretty sure it works; let me post a clip

[novel oracle]

But either way I still think hv on taxe blows hc out of the water for multiple reasons

[final temple]

I am pretty sure what is excluded is ogryns and monstrosities/DH anything else should work.

[mighty belfry]

Well yeah bromentum weapons with hv always outperform hc

Well, actually.

I guess if you have like

No melee investment

Like at all

Hc may have an edge but

Eh

[lapis raft]

btw when exactly does hc proc on rip attacks?

[novel oracle]

Hv also applies to attacks that have hit cleave damage cap, like taxe heavies and pas
Which youll hit more often than any other class cuz of all the power and cleave you get

[molten shale]

Do you mean (HV > HC) or (HV > HV + HC)?

[novel oracle]

Both

[mighty belfry]

Yeah I was mentioning that earlier when someone mentioned shivs or knife not being great picks for hv

Hive scum's cleave talents make that a lot more shaky of an assessment

[final temple]

I am personally quite partial to HC on shivs over HV

[novel oracle]

I think they have their own reasons for being good with it
High damage attacks with fast attack speed means you can capitalize on the 1s timer easily

[final temple]

but I run it on a supply build. not rampage.

[mighty belfry]

Since cleave distribution don't matter much when you're getting a sudden burst of flat damage

[lapis raft]

i like hc on shivs when not going rampage

[mighty belfry]

If supply, hc unless you're like, strength maxing with adrenaline maybe

[novel oracle]

Exactly
Which is why hv is so good for weapons with cleave caps
Ie taxe, chainaxe

[mighty belfry]

Otherwise, I'd go hv with rampage

[mighty belfry]

By the way, this is honestly a pretty decent setup. Been having fun with it.