hivescum-class

[brittle sierra]

Yes

[unique spire]

Cool

[brittle sierra]

Yes it's official

It's me

[hardy canyon]

oh great, just realized its time for me to spend my time trying to get a dual stub with mobility dumb stat

literally next purchase of one was a 60 mobility

love my luck

[brittle sierra]

"I LOVE GAMBLING"

~Destiny 2 player

[hardy canyon]

welp, okay what perks and blessing do I put on my funny pistols now?

[brittle sierra]

Which one are dual stubs?

[hardy canyon]

the semi auto dual wield ones that have the spinny special attack

[brittle sierra]

Oh I don't know then, those are cheeks

I don't bother using them

[hardy canyon]

they may be
but I love them

but also I tracked down the message my friend sent on them

[brittle sierra]

I'm pretty sure one of them is run and gun

[brittle sierra]

Darktide players spread misinformation don't trust them 😈

[hardy canyon]

I just like them because they make me feel cool and I like the sound

[hardy canyon]

yes, but he's australian
so his misinformation becauses correct information

[brittle sierra]

I'm looking at them rn and the blessings are cheeks

Not much to choose from 😞

[hardy canyon]

also yah, its run and guns and pinning fire

[unique spire]

Just don't pick any

[brittle sierra]

Run and gun is the only decent one

[brittle sierra]

Wait let's see if this Aussie is a true gaymr

What do they think about Rashad on Scum? 😈

[hardy canyon]

I'll ask him, but I think he's asleep

yah he's asleep

[brittle sierra]

Sweepi

[hardy canyon]

doggi

[hardy canyon]

I would send pictures of my cat, but cant

wonder how long till I reach that point

[compact oyster]

Just keep yapping

[hardy canyon]

also yah, I've found the dual stubs to pretty much be nice options for sniping off specials

especially with the spin

[compact oyster]

A good trick is spinfire into normal shot

Because the first shot after a spinshot has no spread

[hardy valley]

The dual pistols are S-Tier weapons for showing your love of John Woo, and being absolutely mid at everything else and i love them for that.

[hardy canyon]

yep, I know

and I know they arent great for desperado and all, but I still find it fun

I just like making my builds to be fun

[compact oyster]

And now ure red

[hardy canyon]

oh

yay!

here is the loaf

he is stupid, but also fluff

[compact oyster]

KIBBY

[hardy canyon]

but in general
I find hive scum to be pretty good and fun
not like, arbites strong
but it feels strong, but fragile

[exotic temple]

I just go desperado and run and gun on Stubbs. All of your immune stats from desperado and vultures dodge count as dodge so it’s like free 20% crit.

[hardy canyon]

yah, I can see that
I dont get the people who are on the hive scum is bad thing
it just feels, really noob unfriendly and super hard to play for the early levels

also I love my ourple

so glad I get more ourple with hive scum

[tender marten]

look out for the evil mouse

[hardy canyon]

hmmm

is there a mod to put like, half life crowbar sounds over the crowbar?

welp, now I got 4 more weapons left to master
just need to decide on which two next

im thinking
hm
rampage crowbar with needgun

[exotic temple]

O_o I actually don’t know but that would be badass

[astral canyon]

who up ramping they age

[hardy canyon]

I couldnt find one saddly

[spark gyro]

what are le best blessings for the double-barrelled shotgun

[sterile bough]

Sifu

[ripe seal]

I think it might depend on how you want to play it, from the bit of time I used it with desperado I used both reload speed blessings but didn’t really like it

[sterile bough]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-master-nod-agree-beard-gif-17299924

[astral canyon]

ok true

[spark gyro]

hmm

[exotic temple]

It’s not a bad combo. Needle gun is a bit busted crowbar is ok. Rampage makes basically any melee weapon functional and crowbar gets overshadowed by all the non scum specific weapons.

[hardy canyon]

yah, but I refuse to use non-scum weapons on scum because I wanna level up the scum weapons and its more fun
and yah, I know the needle gun is op, thats what im not letting it be the main focus

[bronze glade]

you can tell that cbar was balanced for adren rampage

[icy scaffold]

It’s a vastly different playstyle from what they’re used to (light attack spam + W into hordes) and you actually get heavily punished for making a mistake

[bronze glade]

light attack spam + W into hordes

that's exactly how i play HIV

[hardy canyon]

ehhhh
It doesnt feel really that much harder than like my expirence with other classes
just vastly different
like dodging feeling a lot more important than normal
I can still light and W into hordes if I dodge well

[vague kayak]

anyone able to explain why i should be using the combat blade instead of the shivs on my desperado build?

[hardy canyon]

it just feels really unfriendly to lower levels and when youre learning it

[final temple]

where other classes are all about that push attack lifestyle, scum wants you to dodge.

[bronze glade]

lol try leveling it before they did the tree rework

[zealous ravine]

shivs are twice as good because you have 2 of them

[hardy canyon]

yah, thats a good way to put it

[hardy canyon]

I did

[vague kayak]

that’s what i was thinking

[hardy canyon]

thats why I can say that

[bronze glade]

and it's not true, dodges are really important on other classes too

[hardy canyon]

they feel much more important on scum than other classes

[bronze glade]

dodges are almost always your first line of defense in direct combat

true of any class

[final temple]

you can use the blade’s movement tech to be fast af boi or abuse it’s high crit chance for hyper critical takedowns

[bronze glade]

yeah dodges are even more important on HIV

[hardy canyon]

like, yes dodges are always important
duh
but hive scum takes them from just beinbg important to them being vastly more important

[bronze glade]

but it's more like because dodges are so good on HIV

[icy scaffold]

From what I can tell, the average player missed that memo

[final temple]

I had to unlearn that for arbites and relearn it after for all the other classes lol

[bronze glade]

average player has a hard time dodging because they spend half the game kissing the ground in damnation

[hardy canyon]

yah, but people like to play casually and dont go looking up tutorials and discords to just chill after work

[zealous ravine]

awesome darktide gaming is watching someone jump instead of dodge and then the overhead halves their height

[bronze glade]

that awkward little hop as the crusher overhead comes in

[hardy canyon]

yah, I feel the pain when I see someone doing that

[icy scaffold]

What causes that anyways? Happens to me on occasion

[vague kayak]

or panicking and just jumping in a gunners face while your toughness is being shredded in milliseconds

[zealous ravine]

both bound to the same button by default

[final temple]

dt’s controller input schemes are generally ass and I hope rotund carcharodon gets the memo that we need proper mapping

[steep vale]

Mmmmm im scumming it

[zealous ravine]

i think its the same way in vt2 so i just bound them to diff keys years ago lmao

[hardy canyon]

I still have mine both bound to the same button, I just learned to not accidentlly jump

[zealous ravine]

my jump is on C its hilarious

[main wagon]

I intentionally jump because it’s immersive and makes me think I’m literally diving at fuckers sometimes

[hardy canyon]

I should probably switch my jump bind
but eh, im lazy and I just like to chill

[zealous ravine]

some melee attacks should do more dmg if ur falling it'd be funny

[main wagon]

Let me spear tackle a heretic and just beat the shit out of him like the mutants do our ogryns

Inb4 scum knuckles before Ogryn

Legit would’ve cried lol

[final temple]

please. no. deflector shields instakilling you through momentum changes is already bad enough xD

[exotic temple]

Ogryn should be able to tackle enemies including other ogryns

[main wagon]

Ogryn should also be able to pick up and throw barrels ala VT2

[zealous ravine]

i meant our melee attacks oops

[main wagon]

Sometimes you need to barrel a smyker manually

[exotic temple]

That would be badass

[zealous ravine]

maybe a lance charge that does more dmg based on movement speed would also be funny

[ripe seal]

I don't know if it exists in warhammer but I always did want a force spear with fancy charge specials

[exotic temple]

And no movement limitations because ogryn strong

[zealous ravine]

i do think force spears exist

[main wagon]

Reminds me of the old days when you could get volleyed between mutants

[exotic temple]

Eldar mainly use them

[zealous ravine]

yea singing spears r cool

[exotic temple]

They are also a real neat design too

[hardy canyon]

actually wait, which enemies count as unyielding again?

[charred bronze]

Pressing a directional key and pressing spacebar (which is bound to jump by default) is a dodge. Most people don't know you can just bind dodge to spacebar and prevent that from ever occurring.

I have jump bound on ctrl, just for those moments when mantling might matter

[ripe seal]

I wanted it back when we only had 1 force sword so it'd have a very stab centric moveset like the dueling sword or tact axe, with one special charging up a machine gun style multi stab and the other being a big explosion on impact, like the paul or crusher since those didn't exist yet

[zealous ravine]

most bosses and non cara ogryns

[hardy canyon]

ah, ty

[zealous ravine]

i think twins and captains are cara or smth

[icy scaffold]

Controller supremacy

[charred bronze]

Monsters, bulwarks, reapers I believe.

[ripe seal]

though I think some parts of reapers count as flak or something? like very specific bits

[zealous ravine]

i think they ha ve some cara somewhere

nowhere thats going to save them though so lol lmao

[ripe seal]

looking it up, the chainmail bits is counted as flak but the big metal parts are cara

[hardy canyon]

is there a way to weapon inspect again?

cause im pretty sure I remember there was one

but I forgot

forgor

[zealous ravine]

X

[obsidian crown]

Not like keybinding settings exist or anything

[zealous ravine]

unless x is not default then i have no idea

[hardy canyon]

shuh

shush

[obsidian crown]

Bacon is indeed appropriate

Because you’re cooked.

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

[hardy canyon]

well duh, im playing darktide

[dreamy rover]

You know how many league of legends players said the same thing?

[hardy canyon]

League of legends isnt real

[idle ore]

League isn’t real, the 10k hours of my life wasted can’t hurt me

[candid flare]

I remember when Lane Mobas were the most toxic place you could go in gaming, then BR's got popular.

[dreamy rover]

The afk junglers...

[exotic temple]

I feel old. I remember playing dota in the custom games of wc3

Nobody played the base multiplayer just dota

[candid flare]

I played a little smite around when they started collabing with other IPs.
That's that canary in the coal mine. Was the beginning if the end.
Even MTG has hit that stage so it's time is limited.

[zealous ravine]

do you guys thnik the moebian 6th play barotrauma i wanna go for a campaign

[lost bear]

Afk junglers weren't all that bad if they were a whole ass lane in farm potential

But some of these mfs couldn't even show up to clean up a fight

What the fuck else is a Master Yi good for at 1.5 items

[dreamy rover]

Rengar and Khazix were pretty good. And then there is Shaco. A really good Shaco on the enemy time would just destroy your game.

[rancid veldt]

Now a lot of of people are shifting over to Dota 2

[ancient basin]

old school yorick runnin around with the ghouls and a trinity force, bonking dudes

[dreamy rover]

I think you mean infesting dota 2

[unique condor]

i have a quetion with specific node on the tree

will long lasting add that extra 5 seconds on fast acting stimms node

or will it just stay 15 sec

[final temple]

nothing is as toxic as playing world of darkness ttrpg. both metaphorically and literally

[ancient basin]

uhhh, it should add duration to the chem lab buff yeah

the lab itself will still expire faster though

[final temple]

it does not work with the stimm supply ability

[flint granite]

Honestly I'm fine with league players in my Dota matches because they're somehow less toxic than the 2k hour heralds who are somehow more toxic my pubs match me with

[unique condor]

[charred bronze]

pretty sure that's down to your GM. But yeah, some games got weird

[ancient basin]

I go test now

[final temple]

it’s the players. basement dwelling is just not conducive to tolerable body odor

[charred bronze]

late 90s edginess led to a lot of weird shit

[flint granite]

I think you should find better players

My wod group is great

[charred bronze]

tbh, the worst human odor I've ever smelled outside of a homeless encampment was at a 40k event where the golden demon winners were on display

[final temple]

given that I usually ST I suppose that is true.

[flint granite]

LOL

[charred bronze]

I had to step outside so I wouldn't vomit, it was worse than I could have ever imagined

and I've been to a lot of game conventions

like, it wasn't constant, but standing in some of the lines was. . . indescribable.

nurgle level shit

[hearty night]

Sounds like nurgle worship!

[dim moth]

appropriate

[hardy maple]

damn I know its a stereotype

but i would hope they'd at least like stand under a shower

[charred bronze]

yeah, like I said, I've been to a lot of gaming conventions in a lot of places. I've smelled my fair share of nerd, especially a long time ago before word about hygiene started getting around in the community. Strategicon and shit, deep nerd nonsense.

This was on a completely different level

[final temple]

I have seen nerds with neckbeards that absolutely had eldritch powers possessing the same.

[brittle sierra]

RPG?

More like

mPReG AMIRITE????

[brittle sierra]

Answer me this

Why do Eldritch Horrors get away at being called: "she"

But when I do it, I am a "menace to society"

😔

[hardy maple]

Smite will always have a place in my heart

[brittle sierra]

Face the wall

[hardy maple]

yea it was toxic but man when you and your buds all work together perfectly to beat an enemy team its amazing

[brittle sierra]

Nah it should be pvp when someone uses smite

[hardy maple]

oh no i meant the Moba

[zealous ravine]

they gotta rename it sadly

[brittle sierra]

Dam was that a goal post move or the biggest bait of the century?

I can't tell 😔

[hardy maple]

It was neither, I was genuinely talking about the moba cause people were talking about Mobas earlier

[brittle sierra]

Ew Mobas 🤮

[candid flare]

Both brands are cancer and I can't wait till the hero shooter brand dies out too

[hardy maple]

what genre do you want instead?

[zealous ravine]

awesome style genre

[candid flare]

Extinction

[exotic temple]

Hero shooters are fine i just wouldn’t want to be the people who handle balance in those games

I play Rivals it’s qp I’m not gonna kill what few brain cells I have left trying to play that competitively

[candid flare]

At least Marvel ended the paladins overwatch rivalry by doing what each one did but better in a single game

Paladins had variety in the way you played, overwatch had blizzard polish and maps without sticky walls

[limber cradle]

I want a barebones cod game

Not made by the cod people atp

But that classic style

One attachment on your gun

Lethal, util

3 perks

You can kinda still play the old peer to peer cods but they're normally riddled with hackers

[candid flare]

Get some old xboxes and LAN party Blackops

[limber cradle]

I miss the old

Uh

Operator skin system black ops had

Was based on the perk you ran in iirc blue slot

You could tell who had scavver or flak jacket or whatever

[candid flint]

@white kettle this you?

you got p close to purga staff psyker dmg, which is busted

[astral canyon]

Moballs

[obsidian crown]

Tbf he’s using stubs 💀

Would easily dominate your dmg with dap or vraks

[mint valve]

Ok so on the saw, which would be better- shock and awe or refined lethality (pairing this with shred)

This is also a stimmer build, full support essentially

[astral canyon]

Shock and awe

Saw really wants the cleave

[charred bronze]

I lost the old post. What're the best Scoreboard mod plug ins?

someone told me, I stepped away, and forgot 🙁

[mint valve]

Yeah i noticed the saw does NOT like cleaving, even though you'd think it would be great at it

[thorny ginkgo]

someone tell me why i should play my vet over desperado scum

[bronze glade]

vet's better at some things

desp scum is better if you juts want brains off

[idle ore]

Ovenproof community patch for scoreboard

[exotic temple]

It also likes attack speed

[idle ore]

But powerdi is best imo

[charred bronze]

Ovenproof! right. Super memorable naming

[charred bronze]

do I need both, or just the patch?

[idle ore]

You need scoreboard and the patch

You don’t need baseline ovenproof

[charred bronze]

does it need to go in mod loader order as well? or will scoreboard pick it up if it's in the folder?

[idle ore]

Think it has to go in the txt

[charred bronze]

probably can't hurt to just do it. First time I've used a plug in for another complete mod, so i wasn't sure how it works

[bronze glade]

good for AARs, but not so great as a scoreboard

[thorny ginkgo]

playing this class feels like call of duty lmfao

all we need is weapon attachments

[candid flint]

he was using fan the hammer revolver

[charred bronze]

powerdi?

[candid flint]

and nah, nothing in this game really can dominate flame staff dmg in a competent psyker with venting shriek

things can come close though

[idle ore]

Agree, I use both

[thorny ginkgo]

nah thats facts, melee and flame psyker is my most played build on this game

[idle ore]

It’s another “scoreboard” style mod, but it’s more accurate and has a lot more information

But it’s not very lightweight so it’s best to pull up after a match

[charred bronze]

is it available on nexusmods? Nothing shows up for powerdi using search

[mint valve]

Going crits for instakilly and more tox stackz

My stimms raise my attack speed

[candid flint]

yeee. infinite cleave DOT in a horde game means infinite OP

[astral canyon]

There have been plenty of screenshots here of desp scum outdamaging purg psyker

[idle ore]

Should be yea

[charred bronze]

huh

[charred bronze]

oooh, needs a space

[idle ore]

Also scoreboard is bugged rn, there’s a version in the modded discord that’s not bugged

Won’t make you crash

[charred bronze]

can I run both? Or will that be a thing

[idle ore]

Yea I run both scoreboard and powerdi

Scoreboard just for a quick check in game

Powerdi for after

[charred bronze]

cool

preciate the advice!

[candid flint]

oh i can guarantee that. what im suggesting is that a good purga staff psyker + fire venting shriek in the highest levels of the game (both skill and difficulty wise) can and will out dmg desp scum. by a wide margin? that depends

i could run bubble instead of fire venting shriek, and play as sloppy as possible and try and let a desp scum out damage me, and post that screenshot

[charred bronze]

fwiw, I'm the only purg shriek psyker I've seen in any recent games. It's always bubble, or some variant of melee with a force gs

[candid flint]

there is just no beating infinite cleave/ammo DOT in a horde game

[pallid quail]

lol just kill them faster ?

[charred bronze]

when one button press hits many enemies, it's hard to beat. I've outdamaged plenty of them on vulturado, but I doubt they were playing sweaty

I'd likely get wildly outclassed by a player who was playing purg as hard as possible

[candid flint]

if people are consistently posting scoreboards of their desp scum beating a purga psyker, that just means that purga psyker just either sucks, was running bubble, or the desp scum was just that good. but yeah put desp scum up against an equal skill level purga psyker, psyker will win

cuz purga is just that broken

[charred bronze]

and yeah, they were always bubble

[candid flint]

not an insane take

and by high skill purga, i am inferring the use of weapon blessing abuse

(uncanny + executor stacking)

[charred bronze]

not familiar

[candid flint]

to chunk through armor

[charred bronze]

you apply stacks with stick and then swap to weapon with uncanny and executor to chunk through carapace?

[candid flint]

yes

it will quickly delete armored crowds

far, far faster than any desp scum

[low harbor]

Isn’t it superiority now instead

[charred bronze]

I thought executor was repeated weakspot hits only?

the dot stacks count?

[low harbor]

Executor is bugged to be global strength

25% max

[charred bronze]

ooh, I see, you need to actually hit things and build stacks with the melee

[candid flint]

charge up force sword special, connect with one enemy head, uncanny and executor will stack 4 times in one swing

[low harbor]

Superiority is 37.5% tho, and not bugged

[flat lotus]

i was leveling up every class to 30 and my psyker build was force gs gaze. i really didn't enjoy it and haven't gone back to psyker since

[candid flint]

you will just be locked into the enemy head for a sec

[mighty belfry]

It's repeated weakspots but the actual buff is global strength

[flat lotus]

i think i need to go back and try purg shriek

[azure scroll]

How is going down full chem path?

[mighty belfry]

Keeping it 100, if you make your character somewhat taller

Executor is genuinely a pretty good choice

[charred bronze]

I really enjoyed voidstrike, but it wasn't incredibly strong

[low harbor]

It’s not as good as superiority

[mighty belfry]

Well ya

[charred bronze]

force sword, not force gs correct?

[mighty belfry]

But I mean in general, for something like shivs

[low harbor]

Yea force sword is far better for staff builds

[mighty belfry]

Genuinely worth trying.

I've been running executor lately and that extra strength puts in work

[candid flint]

force sword, preferable deimos

[charred bronze]

I get annoyed that there are blessings that aren't substantially stronger, or not stronger at all, that lose stacks if you miss some condition

[candid flint]

i have an old video that demonstrates the soulbkaze + uncanny + executor abuse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTKq6N5U4UI

[flat lotus]

i should go back to psyker and do purgation shriek with the fs

[charred bronze]

why did you do the normal swing before doing the powered swing?

[mighty belfry]

But it is genuinely really strong tho

And I honestly find it more consistent than precog

[charred bronze]

yeah, but I prefer to avoid stuff that's gonna fail me when it's ultra chaotic. If I lose a stack because I get knocked, or a poxwalker steps in the way, that blows

[candid flint]

to get the heavy 2 swing

[charred bronze]

obv the psyker situation is different

[mighty belfry]

Das why you make yourself taller

[candid flint]

which does more damage

[charred bronze]

ahh

[flat lotus]

i always play at max height

[mighty belfry]

Max height matters a ton for some blessings

This is one of those cases.

[charred bronze]

yeah, I used to rp short characters but max height offers a bunch of advantages

[mighty belfry]

It is night and day.

[candid flint]

my deimos

for soulblaze

[flat lotus]

jesus thats a lot of dockets

[mighty belfry]

Because the thing that's nice about executor is that if you cleave and hit through a bunch of heads in one swng

[flat lotus]

i have plenty of mats but i am always out of dockets lol

[candid flint]

i receive stimulus checks from fatshark

[mighty belfry]

You get stacks for each weakspot hit in that swing

It gets really stupid with horde clear

[flat lotus]

i have like 200k plasteel then i look at my dockets and feel poverty

[candid flint]

become playtester

[flat lotus]

that sounds difficult

[candid flint]

leave poverty

[mighty belfry]

Because for each weakspot hit, it buffs your cleave as well lol

[flat lotus]

how

i thought fs invited people directly to it

[candid flint]

befriend mods, get lucky, share common enemies

@arcotash why'd you leave

[flat lotus]

yeah i dont think thatll happen

should i just put uncanny/precog on the shivs i genuinely cannot tell how well it works

[charred bronze]

hm, should I see stacks of executor? I think I'm doin' something wrong

[candid flint]

once the grind is almost done, you will have plenty of dockets. grind as in, rolling all the min max weps on classes

even before i got into playtest, i had plenty of dockets

[candid flint]

you dont see uncanny or executor stacks at the bottom of your screen?

like how it appears in mine?

[azure scroll]

So, what kind of stim is good if you're thinking about going down the chem path?

[candid flint]

and you dont notice the increased DOT dmg?

[candid flint]

attack speed (bottom left), dmg/crit chance/rending (top right), ult cool down (bottom right)

are all good

just stay away from the toughness stim (top left)

useful for penance, that is it

[azure scroll]

And is going down all the chem talents decent?

[candid flint]

i use this on chem mommy build

rending helps with armor, attack speed helps spread toxin faster

[candid flint]

p much yeah

[azure scroll]

Alright, thanks.

[candid flint]

the chem keystone ( chemical dependency) is considered the best for most builds, generally

[azure scroll]

What about the health pack ability?

[candid flint]

it is pretty good

[azure scroll]

Alright. Just wanted to make sure I'm not putting something down in something questionable.

[charred bronze]

it's fascinating watching tick damage go up with the weakspot hits using the force sword. That's great

[final temple]

if you can comfortably reach ~70% crit, precog outperforms riposte.

[mighty belfry]

Precog's duration makes it kinda awkward honestly

I've tried it and I just can't get around it because 2s is just not a lot for what the blessing provides you

[final temple]

you are constantly dodging anyways and the point is that it outperforms 100% crit.

in those 100% is typically at least one if not several requirements to dodge anyways

[candid flint]

and the faster the weapon, the more it benefits from precog

[charred bronze]

I wasn't at first. Figured it out though. This is hilarious

[remote eagle]

Does blessed stims recover wounds?

[candid flint]

DOTs interacting with uncanny/executor is one of--if not--the most broken op interaction in this game

im glad you find it as funny as i do

[charred bronze]

I was taking single digit ticks into high double digit ticks

it's absurd

[candid flint]

it only gets funnier, as the hordes become denser and more armored

havoc 40 crusher mauler packs

[tired prairie]

Nope.

The game is pretty explicit in how generously it gives players resources to heal wounds

[charred bronze]

so far, once you lose a wound to corruption, nothing but a medicae will remove that corruption, afaik

[final temple]

that said, it does trivialize certain sources of corruption during its duration

[remote eagle]

I figured but also didnt think it hurt to ask.

[sonic cradle]

is scoreboard mod working?

[vivid wedge]

It is

It's been working since day 2 of hive scum release (have to be in modding discord for update/fixes)

[sonic cradle]

so the nexus version doesnt work

[vivid wedge]

No, and idk when/if they will put the update on there

[empty bough]

when I use stimm supply does it use my stimm so I can't use it for a while? and what if I use my stimm first then stimm supply?

[charred bronze]

haven't played psyker in a hot minute, but this should be fun. Thanks for sharing

[final temple]

how it SHOULD work:
you stimm supply consumes your stimm and supplies it to everyone in range. no stimm, no stimm effects.

there are certain bugs that allow to circumvent this

but above is the currently intended design

[empty bough]

so does stimm supply trigger chemical dependency then?

[final temple]

yes

regardless if stimm is consumed or not

you can quick stack chem dep by stimm > supply > stimm > supply

other scum’s supply gives you chem dep too

[empty bough]

I see, I was trying to make a supportive build

[zenith fern]

They can't even be bothered to add on nexus anymore

[mighty belfry]

This is why I've been shilling executor since it puts in some serious work on tox builds lol

In general really

[charred bronze]

tox plus executor shivs should be gross

harder to spread tox around than it is to just blast shit with the purg though

[empty bough]

does coherency range affect my stimm supply effect radius?

[charred bronze]

@candid flint Oh, one last question; is it only the stab heavy charged that applies multiple stacks in a single hit?

i.e. is it worth dancing around to make that happen, or was that just for demo purposes

[candid flint]

no, it can be light stab

[foggy phoenix]

Wha-

[mighty belfry]

Use mk2. Shoot special shots into horde. Switch to melee and kill things.

Watch the mayhem unfold.

Mk2 needle pistol mind you

[candid flint]

also note, you dont need to stab the enemy you are trying to kill. for instance, i will get max stacks of soulblaze on a beast of nurgle, but if it is too cramped/dangerous for me to get to it, i will literally just stab a poxwalker, which will stack uncanny+executor on ALL enemies

forgive me if you already inferred that

[charred bronze]

I had, but doesn't hurt to clarify

[bronze glade]

SAP has been good for a while, people keep sleeping on it

[drifting heron]

Shredder has been good since they buffed it in like battle for tertium

[mighty belfry]

You really don't need to spam shots with needle special to use it for horde clear

[charred bronze]

speaking as someone who over communicates to ensure I'm understood clearly

[candid flint]

im the same type of way

[charred bronze]

SAP is good, just frustratingly less damage than DAPs

[final temple]

nope

[haughty slate]

Shredder is alright

[charred bronze]

I can't tell from tick damage because it's so variable. How do you know when you're at max stacks?

[candid flint]

that is something ive never done the science on

i do idk 2 or 3 gusts from the purga staff, then hit em with venting shriek at above around 86% peril

[charred bronze]

then start poking heads

[candid flint]

(86~% peril gives the enemy max possible soulblaze stacks from shriek, and it goes over the standard cap)

[charred bronze]

ah I thought the cutoff was 82% for some reason. That's good to know

[candid flint]

it might be 82%

[haughty slate]

This class is going to make me start making Darktide videos again

[candid flint]

its around 85%, give or take idk 3 or 4%, i just dont recall

[charred bronze]

I am more likely to be wrong than you are tbh

[haughty slate]

I'm gonna be one of those useless misinformation spreading Darktubers we all love to hate on

[candid flint]

suprisngly on my crit poison shiv build, i am not abusing uncanny + executor

i like the vibes of bleed + poison

even though the bleed isnt that impactful

only netting around idk 30k damage or so a game

crit chance is so funny high on this build that i could maybe swap riposte for executor/uncanny to make bleed+poison DOT funnier

[candid flint]

hi?

[haughty slate]

Oh hey!

[haughty slate]

Where you at?

[candid flint]

small world

dont narcan me

[haughty slate]

Sure is

[candid flint]

in front of you, at hadron lmao

[haughty slate]

I like your occular

Torren is still saving up for his

he uses a moldy napkin instead

[candid flint]

napkin serves sewer pirate look well

[haughty slate]

Thank you. Builds character.

I was gonna do an auric maelstrom or two if you want to join

[candid flint]

alright

[mighty belfry]

Uncanny unfortunately doesn't do much for bleed on shivs

Shivs themselves have really good ADMs so they don't need much rending.

Bleed, is a different story.

[main wagon]

Hop on my Veteran for LITERALLY ONE GAME

I'll never see 17% toughness in my Scum shop

[main wagon]

Extra leggy bird

Spend my melkcoin and just another health curio

[lapis raft]

i keep seeing this but they are identical to knife based on what i see

[mighty belfry]

Yes. Because its the same thing with knife tbh

You don't really need uncanny with it. It's just nice to have.

[lapis raft]

yea and thats still 21% more damage on crit and 61% more damage on non crit

thats better than every other blessing still pretty sure

[mighty belfry]

Plus with shiv, you can inflict toxin

It's more impactful with knife than shiv by far

[lapis raft]

i think its actually more impactful for shivs beceause on shivs you use lights a lot more than on knife

if shivs had unnerfed uncanny then the lights woul djust be turbo broken

and thats why i assume it doesnt

[candid flint]

@haughty slate

[mighty belfry]

Shiv lights even with the rending don't do that much from my experience

I'm always going for heavies on targets that the rending for the most part would actually matter on

And heavies have significantly better ADMs

[lapis raft]

yea but if you had unnerfed uncanny then you could just murder stuff with shiv lights

for knife you dont rly care you almost always use heavies, either via push attack or normal

[mighty belfry]

I mix lights very often with combat knife tbh

[lapis raft]

i was doing that for toxin and bleed but bleed sucks too much so dropped it

[mighty belfry]

Yeah bleed is solely for horde clear with scum

It just doesn't build up to the crazy amounts of damage that something like vet is capable of

Even with uncanny on knife, it just doesn't feel impactful for armor

[torpid cloud]

if you think about it

apart form the baked in run n gun

wouldnt the autogun be better than the uzis on a desperado build

from a dps standpoint

[zealous ravine]

i think so yeah

but dual autos got aura and autogun doesnt

well maybe a little

[torpid cloud]

It's stupid fun ya

[candid flint]

people sleep on the max aura builds these days

[astral canyon]

True

But yeah optimally iag is better than daps

[candid flint]

i run 0% reload speed bolter for this reason. to aura farm. because the reload animation is so sexual and chunky

[astral canyon]

Because daps need to run the reload speed blessing on one of its slots while iag can run damage on both

[zenith fern]

I am escaping

[candid flint]

mods, stop him

cannot break containment

[formal abyss]

Looks like a gorillaz character

[zenith fern]

he might be

[formal abyss]

This is tuff

[limber cradle]

Spiderman?

[zenith fern]

yes name taken from spider punk

[limber cradle]

Good taste

[zenith fern]

voice also anarchist and it matches a lot with the face lmao

[limber cradle]

Yeah I think that's most fitting

[mystic rain]

god hivescum is fun

(got it late yesterday, so im new)

[haughty slate]

welcome to the club friend!

[zenith fern]

Scum dodges are too funny

[placid prairie]

Dog

[torpid cloud]

saw a dude recently whose crosshair was just a dot

sb know that mod

[woeful hill]

base game

[torpid cloud]

didnt know that

thanks

[winter tusk]

You can change crosshairs for things in settings

[zealous ravine]

horse

[candid flare]

Birse

[final temple]

if things have spread, the best crosshair is the circle.

[astral canyon]

circle with dot in the middle

[final temple]

I will die on that hill. Given how clogged my veins are after this christmas spree that might not be too far off xD

[mystic rain]

CRACK!!!!!

[subtle yacht]

Please review my build. I did a fair bit of research into making this but there's always room for improvement. Thank you.

[lapis raft]

you rly do not need the heavy rampage node at all, its effectivelly useless especially when you have uncanny

[unique spire]

No stamina curios?

Damn

[zenith fern]

3x toughness curios is not bad tbh

[lapis raft]

well if you are clicking swift endurance on shivs or knife adn not clicking stam curios

[zenith fern]

But one stamina could be useful

[lapis raft]

then dont click swift endurance in first place

[mighty belfry]

Even with three toughness curios, swift still has value

It is still free attack speed basically.

[lapis raft]

well it costs 1 point its not free

[unique spire]

Shivs feel too slow without any attack speed boost

[zenith fern]

I previously did had 3x toughness with swift and still felt fast enough

[lapis raft]

its 6-8% attack speed and there are much better nodes on that tree that are skipped for no reason

just because that tree is taking useless swift endurance and weakspot damage

that cost 3 points

[mighty belfry]

Weakspot damage is not useless on shivs

It actually benefits quite a bit from that.

[subtle yacht]

I played Havoc 40 last night with this build. It felt solid. I was a bit apprehensive though going in without stamina regen 🙂

[lapis raft]

its not better than coated weaponry, battering, pickpocket, slippery, jittery, toxin mania

or even quick and deadly

[zenith fern]

I might be up to something

[mighty belfry]

Personally, the 4th stack node for Chem is not worth it

Nor is the rending on rampage

Also.

If you're running rampage

Pickpocket is not necessary

[zenith fern]

Pickpocket for needler is insane

[idle ore]

Pickpocket is really good on rampage tho

[mighty belfry]

That node is causing some severe brainrot

[subtle yacht]

Sorry, which one is Heavy Rampage?

[idle ore]

Think it’s definitely worth bringing especially on needler

[lapis raft]

channeled aggression

[mighty belfry]

Its completely unnecessary for melee builds

[idle ore]

Nah

Not for needler

[mighty belfry]

Needler literally doesn't need it.

[subtle yacht]

Ohhh. What would you recommend instead?

[idle ore]

Obv not needed but it’s nice to have

[mighty belfry]

You think it does because it's so ridiculously overpowered.

[limber cradle]

I will magdump the needler into everything on a melee build and you can't stop me

[lapis raft]

coated weaponry

coated weaponry, battering, pickpocket, slippery, jittery, toxin mania

or any of these really

[subtle yacht]

Question: It's bad to take Hyper Critical & Hyper Violence together right?

[idle ore]

Like what do you gain that’s so much better from not pathing to pickpocket

[lapis raft]

its waste of pointsto take both

unless you are pathing to pickpocket

and even then waste of points

[zenith fern]

Wasnt said that hyper critical overwrites violence or is the opposite

[lapis raft]

hyper critical prevents proccing violence yes

[final temple]

this. base speedboost is perfectly adequate for shivs and saw to feel fluid.

[mighty belfry]

They have hyperviolence

[subtle yacht]

So then I should go Ammo Jack then Pickpocket right? Im using the Needler 😄

[idle ore]

yea thats what i do

[lapis raft]

there is big difference in what saw gets from swift endurance and what shivs get

[final temple]

yes. it still helps out both.

[idle ore]

esp on rotten having pickpocket is just insane value

[zenith fern]

ammo jack is not needed per say

[subtle yacht]

But I only have 2 choices to get to Pickpocket: Ammo Jack or Unload

[limber cradle]

I wouldn't path ammo jack for pickpocket on melee build

Esp not needler

[zenith fern]

i just usually do this

[final temple]

on a rampage build you really don’t need pickpocket

[limber cradle]

Unload isn't gonna help you either

[limber cradle]

This is normal

[mighty belfry]

Thank you.

Like I see the reason on a desperado or supply build

[idle ore]

again if someone can tell me where those 2 points go that are so impactful

im open to suggestions

theres nothing

hint

[subtle yacht]

Ohhh 😮

[lapis raft]

you dont want to do that if you are hyperviolence

and you dont want to drop hyperviolence on rampage build

[subtle yacht]

Thing is I'm using Hyper Violence so I want to avoid Hyper Critical 🙂

[lapis raft]

or at least i wouldnt

[zenith fern]

yeah

[final temple]

on a rampage build you also absolutely want HV. HC while powerful doesn’t add much value and delays HV stacking.

[idle ore]

just go ammo > pickpocket

[subtle yacht]

What would you suggest then

[idle ore]

ammo gets you an extra needler shot

its not useless

[subtle yacht]

Exactly

[zenith fern]

https://tenor.com/view/green-guy-pokes-you-stick-poke-comagreeny-gif-12916307036305812419

Just poke them with your extra needle

[limber cradle]

You'll get more use out of HC HV than Ammo Jack tbh

Esp on shivs

Shivs love HC

[candid flint]

who is this ammo jack i keep on hearing about

sounds like a decent feller

[final temple]

don’t bother with pickpocket on your build. you have the best can opener already. only times you want needler is to take out the random back line gunner or peel off a hound.

[limber cradle]

Node above pickpocket

15 percent more ammo

[candid flint]

i was joke

[candid flint]

damnit

wrong @

[mighty belfry]

Idk I'd rather go both battering nodes and jittery than ammo jack and pickpocket

[idle ore]

not on rotten bro

this guy is playing h40

[mighty belfry]

I've done rotten. Without pickpocket

[idle ore]

post the scoreboard

[mighty belfry]

It's really not that hard to do if you're going melee build

[idle ore]

i wanna see the carapace dmg

[limber cradle]

I take nimble+jittery by default tbh, like it isn't even a question

[subtle yacht]

I only have this option to get to Pickpocket (Im using the Needle). I have 1 talent point left. What about Cheap Shots ?

[final temple]

not sure jittery is strictly necessary but sure noticeable

[lapis raft]

i do this on shivs rampage build

[limber cradle]

You don't stagger enough for cheap shots

[idle ore]

take swift

[limber cradle]

Its great QoL

[subtle yacht]

That's what I was wondering 🙁

[mighty belfry]

I'll get it when I'm not working

I just don't know how this is so hard to believe that pickpocket isn't a necessary node

[idle ore]

im not saying its necessary

its just extremely good

its like the best single node in the game

[lapis raft]

quick and deadly, slippery, jittery, sample collector, coated weaponry is right there

[zenith fern]

Me like extra ammo on kill thats all i need to have fun and win the videogame

[idle ore]

obv overpowered

[lapis raft]

you have so many really good options there

[mighty belfry]

I prefer not using it actually because I know it's not gonna stay that way lol

[haughty badger]

for everyone who recalls me mentioning a cooldown bug related to stims, I put together a little video. sounded like some people werent experiencing this issue on pc (and since my original comment, the concentration stims started working correctly). could anyone on pc test this with the cooldown version of the special stim?

[mighty belfry]

And on a melee build, it just feels unneeded.

[final temple]

it is. but you don’t need it on rampage.

[subtle yacht]

Damn, how did I miss Quick & Deadly.......

[limber cradle]

Wwyd if it does

[mighty belfry]

Desperado and Supply?

100% use it.

Rampage?

It's nice.

But you dont need it.

[idle ore]

no one is saying its needed

idk what this argument is

[mighty belfry]

You do a lot of damage. All you have to do is take a few pot shots at the armor to let the dots widdle them down so you wail at them.

[idle ore]

its an extremely good node

take it if you can

[woeful hill]

Need ammo? Take. If not don't

[final temple]

don’t even need it with shivs.

[subtle yacht]

For Sample Collector, do you get CDR PER enemy killed ?

[final temple]

yes

[lapis raft]

yes

its one of strongest nodes on scum tree

[mighty belfry]

Yeah. But its percentage based.

So regardless of stimm cooldown, it gives the same value.

[subtle yacht]

So then it's either Quick & Deadly or Samplke Collector.

[lapis raft]

i would take sample collector over quick & deadly

most of the time

[subtle yacht]

But it DOES help in reducing the stimm cooldown no ? Any help is welcomed 😄

[final temple]

sample collector has insane value especially in high havoc.

[lapis raft]

but also you dont have coated weaponry

so sample collector has lower value

[mighty belfry]

I think Quick and Deadly overrated

[subtle yacht]

This

[mighty belfry]

Take sample

[haughty badger]

A LOT

[mighty belfry]

It scales with density.

[haughty badger]

you can get 75s stim back in under 30s somewhat reliably

[subtle yacht]

I dodge A LOT ! I play Hive Scum like Shade. Being a Shade main, Hive Scum is basically Shade on drugs whilst doing coke when high whilst drunk & taking a nosedive from an airplane.

[mighty belfry]

Running chem nades is hilarious with sample on h40

Because there are times where you'll just get your stimm back almost instantly

[subtle yacht]

My playstyle is based on strafing & dodging & getting behind the enemy for a quick poke & backstab.

[lapis raft]

well issue is that you need to actually dodge something not just dodge air to proc the on dodge shit

[subtle yacht]

Ofc 😄

[lapis raft]

and so the on dodge shit usually actally doesnt have good uptime

at least th super short ones dont

[final temple]

with rampage you want to be where this happens the likeliest tho

[haughty badger]

yeah but quick and deadly is just 15% close damage, and only lasts 3 seconds which dodging an attack every 3 seconds is actually not particularly high uptime even for someone who dodges a lot (I also dodge constantly)

[mighty belfry]

Well. There is a caveat here.

[subtle yacht]

Im still using Sample Collector though.

[mighty belfry]

If this is a rampage build

[idle ore]

this is what id run on your setup

[subtle yacht]

Exactly. Sample Collector has much more value.

[mighty belfry]

It might be worth skipping if you just want a cdr stimm

[obsidian crown]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-space-marine-warhammer-warhammer-40k-stare-gif-15034398051697687266

[lapis raft]

i think ideally i would try to find space for both sample collector and coated weaponry. coated weaponry refreshing all toxin stacks is the biggest value on that node

not just it giving +1 toxin to whatever

[mighty belfry]

Close damage is good

[lapis raft]

which is also nice ofc

[subtle yacht]

Looks VERY interesting. Let me check it out in the Psych Ward

[mighty belfry]

The condition is not.

[lapis raft]

yea thats basically what i run too

[haughty badger]

it is, not saying it isnt

[lapis raft]

well not just basically literally same

[mighty belfry]

Wait.

[idle ore]

real recognize real

[mighty belfry]

Melee builds

But we're not running A Tertium Welcome

Excuse me?

[idle ore]

quick & deadly better than tertium i think

but its personal pref

check your uptime and make your own decision

[lapis raft]

it depends if you want more clear or more damage i guess

[mighty belfry]

I dodge like a God damn maniac on this class and my uptime ain't the greatest

[lapis raft]

i run tertium always there

[haughty badger]

depends on weapon most likely. both are good though. Tertium welcome is generally better though since there isnt a condition and it props up hyper violence more

[mighty belfry]

I'd justify it if it was more than 3s

[idle ore]

yea the uptime isnt amazing

[subtle yacht]

ON IT SARGE !

[lapis raft]

as rampage battering already has stupid clear on shivs

[mighty belfry]

That's the main kicker.

It synergizes heavily with hv

Since it's just a consistent 15% melee damage on first target which always allows for more overkill abuse.

[subtle yacht]

Maybe Forge's Bellow ?

[mighty belfry]

Forge's Bellow

Imho

[lapis raft]

if you dont res often forges below drop is fine

[mighty belfry]

Is an amazing mod

[lapis raft]

i find it invaluable for reses tho otherwise

[subtle yacht]

I mean to find 1 more point to use on Coated Weaponry.

[subtle yacht]

That's why I was using it 🙁

[lapis raft]

you can try what ice posted as well tht one gets all the good points

[haughty badger]

how good do y'all feel like slippery customer is? the melee immunity while sliding

[subtle yacht]

Thank you, much appreciated 🙂

[lapis raft]

if im dropping defensive nodes thats the node i drop last

but it depends on your playstyle

for me its invaluable

[subtle yacht]

Extremely slippery ? 😄

[lapis raft]

like if you are lets say knife build i think you always want slippery without exceptions

if you are shiv rampage build then jittery might be better

or if you are saw build

same thing

[haughty badger]

I'm seeing if I can find another node I'm willing to drop for a blitz charge and sample collector since I'm not in the right tree atm

[lapis raft]

well if you dont slide a lot you can just drop it

[haughty badger]

I dodge a lot but domt necessarily dodge slide a lot

could learn to though

[foggy phoenix]

I have to actually consciously think about pressing the buttons to dodge slide, since I don't use a macro like some people do.

[lapis raft]

i have dodge and crouch bound to same button

[subtle yacht]

Im thinking to drop Ammo Jack & Pickpocket only for the reason that it's situational & honestly, I've not had a single situation where I was short on ammo. I never spam it bcoz I follow up with 2 shivs then a melee so I can get my shivs back. That way I'll have 2 points for Coated Weaponry & something else. What's your opinion?

[lapis raft]

so i do it half the time pretty much

xd

[foggy phoenix]

Wuh

[lapis raft]

dont even need macros for it

[haughty badger]

I'm on console so it's not quite so simple

[foggy phoenix]

WITCHCRAFT

[mighty belfry]

I've been seeing this more lately

[haughty badger]

it's plenty doable, just dont always think to do so

[lapis raft]

somethign i learned from playing hd2 and binding context-aware actions to same button

you can still dodge just fine, you can spam slide also

so its just free

[mighty belfry]

Ima be real about Slippery

[lapis raft]

i also had W bound to sprint but that only works for shivs and knife

xd

[mighty belfry]

I don't really like it.

[foggy phoenix]

Wouldn't being at half-height all the time mess with weakspot attack chains?

[mighty belfry]

Feels inconsistent and I never really try to slide when I know I can be melee'd.

[lapis raft]

it does, you need to get used to aiming with it

when im playing shivs i have to deliberately avoid doing it from muscle memory constantly as with those yu cant even hit weakspots while sliding properly

[subtle yacht]

I slide A LOT, as in I ONLY slide & never run. Maybe I should take that node 😄

[lapis raft]

with knife heavy spam you mostly still can

[haughty badger]

the distance and duration of the slide is what always gets me with it. sometimes it just feels like it doesnt go anywhere, other times it feels equivalent to a second dodge

[subtle yacht]

Sliding my way downtown, sliding fast & Im homebound.... This is the way...

[mighty belfry]

Thing is, nimble itself kinda makes it a tad redundant

Since you get so much extra dodge distance already

[lapis raft]

well if you dodge a lot then jittery is op

[haughty badger]

yeah that too. nimble and jittery gives me so much mobility with dodge

[lapis raft]

or yea if you slide a lot slippery

[foggy phoenix]

Launching yourself off any stairwell or ledge has both saved me and screwed me more times than I would like to admit.

[mighty belfry]

I mainly slide only for ranged fire and trying to make space from a poxburster lunge or even an overhead if I time it right

[haughty badger]

I've turned a dodge into a jump that bounced me off the wall into the ceiling. and into an overhead

usually works out fine for me though, specially with rampage shout

[lapis raft]

i slide into knife heavies a lot usually when im close to enemies

[foggy phoenix]

You get so much horizontal distance dodging off a ledge that you'd cover more distance than if you'd made a running jump

[lapis raft]

works well and looks cool :d

[foggy phoenix]

And I've accidentally slid off a ledge a few too many times

[lapis raft]

with nimble you can clip into a wall on one of the maps :d

[main trellis]

You REALLY need to start spending your coins man

[lapis raft]

idr which one now

[foggy phoenix]

And most embarassingly, during that final extract area for Vigil Station Oblivum where the way down to the extract elevator is perfectly safe

[haughty badger]

ON WHAT 😭

[foggy phoenix]

Unless you dodge off into a bottomless pit, like I did

[subtle yacht]

I slide to get off the Valkyrie, to move from point A to B & finally, to get back on it to go home xD

[candid flint]

on what? i have 3k hours. i have max mastery weapons + god rolls of every single weapon on every single class. there is literally nothing else to buy. i have the commissary skins too.

[main trellis]

Commissar skins
Weapon godrolls
Melk quest reset for milk coins so you get better curios

[lapis raft]

ah found it

op

[main trellis]

ah fair
even 66% ammo rippergun for oggy?

[candid flint]

yes

[main trellis]

get 3
that weapon has 3 builds

[foggy phoenix]

Even perfect roll plasma guns?

[candid flint]

already done

stop telling your elders what to do

ive already done it all

[main trellis]

Boi i have 3k+ too

[foggy phoenix]

This is the part where you both compare accounts

[subtle yacht]

What stimm setup do you run for this?

[candid flint]

when i got the tester stimmy check, i requested melk bucks. that is the only resource i value now. for curio gambling on new classes

[foggy phoenix]

Word on the street is that there's another class on the horizon to spend melkies on

[candid flint]

obligatory account post. account level 2740

[idle ore]

this or just cdr or just str

[tropic crag]

the fact that youre even using the true level mod makes you a newbie

don't give your elders a monkey

i started playing FS games with war of the roses

you merely adopted the jank, i was born in it

[subtle yacht]

I've got precog on my shivs. Wouldn't the last 2 nodes after strength be better? Finesse Nodes

[main trellis]

I would say True lv is more so pointless - seen too many ppl who played longer & were way worse (for the first time i will restrain myself from saying dogshit... wait i just did say it... fuck...)

[idle ore]

doesnt precog alr give finesse?

[subtle yacht]

Btw, I just realized that I already had Sample Collector on all this time xD

[tropic crag]

yeah its meaningless because time spent playing isn't time spent learning tbh, like it might mean that you've learned something but a lack of levels DOESN'T mean that you aren't good

[astral canyon]

I usually go for attack speed on rampage setups over cdr

[idle ore]

i think attack speed is fine

[subtle yacht]

Yes but wouldn't it be better to gain more from the stimm? What do you think ?

[idle ore]

honestly on the stim as long as you're not taking the toughness line you're good

[tropic crag]

lol even the toughness line is ok, its not amazing or as good as the other options but its not gonna lose you the game to pick it

[candid flint]

in my experience, it is a general indicator of potential skill. cant argue that usually, the higher level player will likely just play better than the lower level player. not always the case, especially when a new class drops. but typically, yeah.

[idle ore]

having more crit is my personal preference, dont think it matters much between the two

[tropic crag]

even caring about how good or bad others might be is a noob mentality tbh

[main trellis]

I would say its more important to see ppls builds; perks, blessings & talent choices - can learn alot by looking at a build not a True Lv arbitrary number

[candid flint]

wel yeah that is obvious

did not say that true level was better or more important

[tropic crag]

like i just trust other people will do their best and if they don't... i usually don't notice lol

[candid flint]

nah

[main trellis]

you do notice them once the 'death sound' plays in a mission

[tropic crag]

like even in havoc trying to prejudge others will lead you to cutting more good players than bad

[tropic crag]

naw, i've seen the absolute best players go down in very silly ways

[idle ore]

you can kinda tell looking at someones build lol

[candid flint]

if im a wacko theory crafting build, and i get in a lobby with low hour players, i will swap off so i will be able to support them better

[tropic crag]

the more meme and whack the build the better the player

[idle ore]

hell no

[candid flint]

if that makes me a noob then i guess i am a big noob and yo uare the badass master sage man

[idle ore]

lemme show you something

[mighty belfry]

It depends

[main trellis]

should be 'how can i help improve the guy in a game/what i could learn from him/her' type shit that makes the game better overall

[tropic crag]

the end game of tide games is making dumb ass builds that are super off meta

[main trellis]

don't i know it

[mighty belfry]

They're either genuinely new and probably not aware or what they're doing or the Emperor in reject flesh.

[tropic crag]

lol i'm mostly just making fun of you for the elders thing before, but i also think even caring about how others are doing in this game is a waste of time... i only care that one person can stand up long enough to get a dog off me or something

[idle ore]

ok look at this tree and tell me how much dmg you think this person did in a 35 min h40 hab dreyko

[tropic crag]

i just assume all my losses are my fault or maybe rarely bad luck

[main trellis]

there are some hidden gems but usually they are pepega if their build is lacking in obvious talent choices for certain weapons for example

[main trellis]

he plays taunt; the question is irrelevant

[tropic crag]

that build wouldn't mean anything, you could give it to me and i'd do fine tbh... like its not good but its not gonna ruin me

[main trellis]

Dmg is not everything

[tropic crag]

that also doesn't mean anything, you'll catch me with really low numbers alot because other people are doing fine

also does hypercrit even count as damage?

[idle ore]

its just like

how is that even possible

in a super dense almost 40 min game

[tropic crag]

did you guys win?

[idle ore]

yea

[tropic crag]

then they didn't need to do more damage

do less damage if you want them to do more

or... don't care

[main trellis]

ye as i said; he plays taunt

he already does alot

[idle ore]

im saying a meme build != good player

[mint valve]

Hive scum wouldnt be able to exist for long if tauntgryn or chorus zealot didnt exist

[tropic crag]

like i assume all losses are on me but i'm not try harding, i'm lazy af now adays and will only work as hard as my team makes me work, so with good teams i tend to look for secrets i havent found in the levels backrounds and stuff if i'm just playing aurics

havocs i'll actually try

[main trellis]

you should be in my games then

[limber cradle]

Bait

[novel oracle]

Lol

[tropic crag]

scum is really really survivable tbh

[mint valve]

Depends on the player or sometimes build

[main trellis]

like every class tho

[candid flint]

all classes are like this

[main trellis]

[tropic crag]

no it would 100% be a skill issue if they are finding that they aren't very tanky

[mint valve]

But in dense hordes, scum can only do so much before being overwhelmed by sheer armor mass

Unless funny boom

[main trellis]

like every class LMAO

[candid flint]

kinda like every class

[tropic crag]

bonesaw can do fine against things like that but isn't as fast with other things

[mighty belfry]

That's literally every class

[tropic crag]

i found chainsword and chain axe to be pretty good against armor swarms as well

[mint valve]

Mb for speaking christ

[main trellis]

its a TEAM BASED GAME; You are not solo; you are a part of the team; there are other 3 bois with ya

[tropic crag]

its more that its a VERY talked over subject since the classes launch lol

[mighty belfry]

Ya made a take people don't agree with!

[main trellis]

exacly; don't speak christ - pray to him instead

[mighty belfry]

It happens.

[candid flint]

its not that serious. no one is being idk overtly mean to you

you can still speak lol

you are just being disagreed with

[mighty belfry]

That's why these chats are here.

[novel oracle]

I am
I am routinely known for my devilish tendencies and rapscallion nature

[candid flint]

mods destroy him

[tropic crag]

my takes are usually seen as bad and then some of them become "common knowledge" some months or years later

but i'm also an idiot at these games tbh, i just vibe build things and walk off cliffs non stop

[mighty belfry]

My takes range between good to outright gaslighting sometimes

[main trellis]

just like Kratos in God of War 1

[mighty belfry]

Like me thinking vet shovel is the best vet melee

And no one will convince me otherwise.

[tropic crag]

it IS the best melee (i just love the shovel)

[limber cradle]

I think my most disagree with take is not running TG on Arb

[main trellis]

Undervalued

[limber cradle]

And it's almost entirely from Willy tbh

[main trellis]

Lets just say you were not the only one dying due to lack of it

[mighty belfry]

I mean I wouldn't say it's necessary but

[main trellis]

i educate ppl constantly on the importance of it

its a never ending battle

[mighty belfry]

It is a very good safety net if you know how to wriggle your way out of a bad spot, I will admit.

[main trellis]

just like the neverending war of the Imperium

Always Stay Vigilant

[limber cradle]

I am aware of why it's good tbf

I just don't run it lmao

[tropic crag]

on a random note scum has ignited a fondness for the chain axe in me that i didn't know was there

[limber cradle]

Scum making seemingly awful melees viable is eternally funny to me

[main trellis]

see; many ppl don't know how good it is - thats the point

[tropic crag]

they are the slayers of darktide in that respect lol

[mighty belfry]

Heavy sword on scum is

Peak.

[limber cradle]

Wildly funny

[tropic crag]

yeah i've enjoyed some heavy sword scum recently

[mighty belfry]

It's a little addicting how good it feels ngl

[main trellis]

i prever Dclaw

[limber cradle]

Zealot players trying to make that shit work and all you need is some crack cocaine

[tropic crag]

but really, the mk12 chainaxe is alot of fun, i can't remember who told me to use it but they were right

you can just dunk on anything you want to

[haughty badger]

with that much money, he already has the skins, the godrolls, doesnt need melk bucks, or new curios

[mighty belfry]

The crusher looking in horror as you've just obliterated a poxwalkers head and are coming right for them after

Hyperviolence is such a dumb node. I love it.

[idle ore]

It’s the most underrated

Easily

Shovel enjoyers are elite

[mighty belfry]

It's the weapon I have the most success with h40 on by far

With db and kraks

Mk1 shovel mind you

[main trellis]

as long as its not 7 its good times

[tropic crag]

i think its a great design for a really strong node that doesn't feel like its just overly broken

[candid flint]

i just need to bank more melk bucks for whjenver the next class drops. and request melk bucks from my next stimulus check

[mighty belfry]

It's insanely good but you have to really understand how to take advantage of it

[candid flint]

the only valuable resource to me now

[mighty belfry]

Which is what makes it not overly op to me

Like I see people on rampage just wail at crushers constantly in a mixed horde

[tropic crag]

yeah, insane value with fun to try to proc conditions

[mighty belfry]

That is not the way.

You hit something you know you're going to overkill the fuck out of and then hit the crusher.

Rinse and repeat.

[tropic crag]

i see metal man i must bonk, i know i am losing value but i must stick to my dwarven roots

i do actually try to use hv when heavy sword tho

because otherwise it can't really do much against armor

[lavish parrot]

Melee scum is cool

However comma

Dakka

[mighty belfry]

I enjoy this game's melee combat more than anything tbh

Desperado does nothing for me.

No dopamine hit.

[lavish parrot]

Not even desperado

I once went thru entire match with viag and almost no melee kills

Shenanigans

[mighty belfry]

See I can't do that