hivescum-class

[ripe seal]

i get having utility nodes but I feel like all the adrenaline ones besides toughness regen are so fucking whatever, extra duration of teh main big effect is the only one that feels worth taking to me

[glad latch]

Would be nice, but probably inflict the carpal tunnel debuff

[final temple]

sah, I can only click so fast, sah!

[unreal stirrup]

25% melee damage boost is massive but whatever

[ripe seal]

I feel like in general you'd not miss them as much as other classes if you didn't pick them up, compared to burst limit, veteran marking, empowered psionics, etc

[mighty belfry]

I ironically enjoy adrenaline on supply builds more than rampage

[exotic temple]

I’ve already killed a controller and mouse on this game

[frigid sluice]

Slab you need to get the auto swing mod

[mighty belfry]

Because the extra attack speed and damage is actually very valuable to offset not having the more offensive abilities

And stacks well with damage or speed stimms

This tree is kinda ass backwards if I'll be real

[exotic temple]

I think it actually provides decent benefits, but with all the other buffs during rampage it’s like a 5% dmg buff

[limber cradle]

The more I use it the less I like it

[fast wind]

I was running it with it while doing chem stuff it feels like one of the most active keystones in the game

[limber cradle]

Cole said he thinks even tho the class came out they need a full rework on the tree

[lapis raft]

not saying it isnt, but it also never is 1 pointer bceause of the mandatory tax nodes

[limber cradle]

And tbh I agree

[ripe seal]

the cooldown reduction on dependancy doesn't matter that mcuh in a chem build unless you build with the talent to refresh the cooldown when the stim refreshes so you can place an unupgraded crate and then a good one after that to spread poison, so you end up only caring about the crit and toughness stuff

[mighty belfry]

Chem dep should be stimm cdr

[lapis raft]

and the keystone is just boring

[mighty belfry]

Not a soul is changing my mind about that.

[unreal stirrup]

the tax node is literally just 20s uptime which allow permanent uptime in combat

[ripe seal]

and that is nice, getting like 20% flat crit rate is really nice and I enjoy the mini shout when placing my crate down

[unreal stirrup]

all of scum keystone spend 1-2 point to make them way better

[ripe seal]

dependancy just feels built around the crate instantly putting the stim on cooldown so you can use the effect of the stim to help reduce its cooldown

[low harbor]

nah it's just smiter

[exotic temple]

The fun part is that you can get the full benefits of the stim create even if your stim is on cooldown

[low harbor]

20s not rly needed

[ripe seal]

thought when I do one dependency I do run it with the node to get 4 stacks and I do feel the duration reduction of the stacks

[unreal stirrup]

it is needed when you're bossing though

[spiral horizon]

It should give the character dry mouth at full stacks

[unreal stirrup]

when they're focusing on you you're not building up stack

[unreal stirrup]

currently assumed to be a bug

[mighty belfry]

You should be choosing between smiter or 20s tbh

[ripe seal]

20 isn't needed but I feel like of the 4 uptime nodes, its by far the best

[unreal stirrup]

but just use 75s stim for double crate

[mighty belfry]

Both together aren't really needed

[unreal stirrup]

me when rotten armor

[ripe seal]

the extra 2 second on the base stack is pretty much worthless and I feel like the base stack gain is good enough to make the other two not needed, even if they removed the downside

[unreal stirrup]

smiter and the other one help build stack faster

[low harbor]

weakspot hit one is meh

smiter is the biggest improvement

[unreal stirrup]

while the extra 2 seconds on stack just make it go down slower

which is never happening in combat

also doesn't help you build stack faster either

[ripe seal]

which I feel you just don't need, the 20 second node should be giving you like 100% up time in the middle of a fight

[unreal stirrup]

its slower than smiter but it still build up fast and help you maintain adrenaline when bossing + rotten armor wave

[ripe seal]

you can easily combined both durations and both stack nodes into 2 nodes that give both effects

[exotic temple]

I’m kinda hoping they keep it. I don’t think it breaks the class or balance or anything

[unreal stirrup]

also remember that adrenaline build up PER hit so it not that much slower

[limber cradle]

I still don't think rampage deserves a debuff on it

[ripe seal]

you should be making alot of hits and crits

[exotic temple]

Back when it was 150% extra damage yes rampage deserved a debuff but in its current state I agree

[ripe seal]

getting 75% damage, 50% cleave, 20% attack speed, and 25% damage resistance for free in the middle of a fight is good so I get it

but they could either erduce the debuff a bit or make it a bit stronger

[low harbor]

only part I think can use an adjustment is the stamina drain

maybe drain 50% instead of 100%

[novel oracle]

I think hive scum should be flushed down the toilet like a poo

[spiral horizon]

I think we should buff desperado like 2 or 3 times every patch

[limber cradle]

50 percent rending on desperado

[unreal stirrup]

I think you should get pregnant

[spiral horizon]

Change the name to Scrier’s Desperado

[ripe seal]

let desperado instantly apply the stim to yourself when you pop it, honestly you could maybe make that a baseline ability in dependancy

[fast surge]

Disrupt desperado

[vivid wedge]

I think desperado is pretty balanced, wish the second node of the ability was better though.

[novel oracle]

Duelling desperado

[ripe seal]

5 seconds off isn't much but you can cycle it enough for it to end up giving you extra desperados overall, though pickpocket does lower the appeal a bit

[lavish parrot]

Pickpocket is broken we all can agree right

[novel oracle]

Its not broken

Its shattered

[lavish parrot]

They should let hivescum have bolters

For the funny

[fast surge]

Wouldn't make much sense thematicly

[limber cradle]

I mean

[ripe seal]

i had fun with desperado and the AOE bolt pistol, it didn't feel the most effective but it was fun to spam and sorta bully trash

[lavish parrot]

I mean we're on inquisition payroll

[spiral horizon]

Pickpocket should return 100% ammo but arbitrators can friendly fire you

[lavish parrot]

What's stopping us stealing the bolters I mean get armed with them

[limber cradle]

Orlock get bolters iirc?

[lavish parrot]

Orlock got bolters ye

[novel oracle]

James

[icy scaffold]

Nah, it’s fine

[lavish parrot]

James the Killjoy how could I forget >:(

[fast surge]

Fucking james

[ripe seal]

they could add like a 30/60 second cooldown to pickpocket and make it require a melee kill and it would still be nuts

[fast surge]

Hate that guy

[spiral horizon]

Honestly it’s funny after all the bellyaching about infinite ammo vet we got pickpocket scum

[icy scaffold]

Meanwhile Shocktrooper and Psyker staffs existing

[limber cradle]

Desperado is old ES coded too

The auto reload+"damage resistance"

[fast surge]

Vet also had grenade Regen on aura though

[ripe seal]

as well as passive grenades too

[lavish parrot]

You see, Shocktrooper has condition of needing a crit and psykers get peril

Us? We get infinite ammo with no downsides

[spiral horizon]

Shocktrooper locks you into lasweapons too

[limber cradle]

Nah shocktrooper has no downsides tbh

[vivid wedge]

There is a downside

[limber cradle]

Its just las dependant

[vivid wedge]

You are a hivescum lmao

[icy scaffold]

Oh no, not the peril. Oh wait I can stay at 100% all day with Scriers, or just Vent every 8 seconds. Scary peril

[frigid sluice]

Does heavy sword or devil claw use heavy attacks more often for horde clear

[lavish parrot]

That is an upside

[spiral horizon]

Heavy sword is like all heavies

[frigid sluice]

Itadakimasu bismillah

[lavish parrot]

Unless it's mk7

[mighty belfry]

Shocktrooper ain't even comparable since it's only las weapons and every knows psyker is busted.

[ripe seal]

as much as I like my purge staff, it hard to compare to the output of unlimited ammo dual autos

[mighty belfry]

Doesn't mean the other busted thing doesn't need work either.

Thats a terrible way to look at balancing lol

[final temple]

I recently played a couple of mish as psyker again. Managed to blow myself up once. Was kinda proud.

[icy scaffold]

Yea and scum has mostly mediocre ranged options (outside of IAG). The las options are arguably more meta.

[low harbor]

it costs 3 points

that's a very significant downside

[lavish parrot]

I liked the moment when some arbitrator on my team realised I had infinite ammo on my viag5 so he injected me with speedy stim before we existed the elevator

[spiral horizon]

By las options you mean helbore and recon

[mighty belfry]

Have you seen a vraks desperado build

[lavish parrot]

Mixed with my speed hive stim I just had triple the dakka for free

[icy scaffold]

Las pistol is pretty strong with an auto fire mod, even infantry is fine on a melee guy who pulls out the gun to pop gunners/specials.

[limber cradle]

Okay, pickpocket costs 4 on most builds

[lavish parrot]

The funny thing is

[mighty belfry]

And shocktroop requires you to severely harm your melee prowess to viably use it.

While pickpocket

[low harbor]

nah, 1~2

[lavish parrot]

Pickpocket builds also run vurture

[mighty belfry]

Hypercrit

[lavish parrot]

So like

[mighty belfry]

Is right there.

[low harbor]

and the 2 u get are also extremely strong

[unreal stirrup]

pickpocket is infinite ammo without being weapon dependent

[mighty belfry]

Next to it.

[limber cradle]

Ime you run pick with everything

Cause the value is too good

[vivid wedge]

I think Chem dependency is better than vultures lol

[final temple]

chem dependency is better. period.

[mighty belfry]

It's not a harsh investment to take pickpocket like it is to take shocktroop.

Not even close.

[spiral horizon]

Infantry las is…meh imo

[lavish parrot]

I just take pickpocket on any build that I wanna shoot a lot like iags, brautos, dual uzis, double barrel

[woeful hill]

Need a build for it plus you need aim

But I like it

For las

[ripe seal]

i love the light infantry las alot, solid hipfire with still good ADS

i never cared for the heavier varients

[mighty belfry]

I just wish shooting down sight with ilas didn't feel like crap

[woeful hill]

https://youtu.be/qv6KwEWHXB8?si=O1ejGOd5Y7UtyuCy

[lavish parrot]

I love the green ilas

[light phoenix]

The blue one?

[woeful hill]

I had some fun in havoc with it

[ripe seal]

the one with the folding stock

[light phoenix]

Ahhh the one pretending to be a Recon Lasgun

[mighty belfry]

Honestly another thing that does make pickpocket even more busted really

Is that hypercrit is next to it.

[icy scaffold]

I wish it wasn’t crap for all of them ngl. Can’t even see the enemies in my sight area

[mighty belfry]

So you don't even have to sacrifice melee potential that much to have infinite ammo

[lavish parrot]

Idk I love the ilas sights

[light phoenix]

Is there a mod that reduces muzzle flash? Especially the Las weapons

[icy scaffold]

Move hyper crit to the right side then. Replace it with one of the shitty perks from that side

[mighty belfry]

At most, you just won't be able to run blackouts as efficiently because of hypercrit interfering with its on kill regen

[spiral horizon]

Should make a class with 95% crit chance but the mandatory tax node at the top of the tree is the inverse of hypercritical

[lavish parrot]

New tech priest ideas

[vivid wedge]

I want a class where I am 1:1 the same as a pox walker

[unreal stirrup]

on god the no sight mod need to work again

[spiral horizon]

Dude I will be cackling if we get an admech and it’s hot garbo

[lavish parrot]

Nerfing yourself because inventing meta is inventing something new and it's against omnissiah dogma

[limber cradle]

After arb and scum? Yeah I will too

[icy scaffold]

Inb4 admech has infinite ammo too

[light phoenix]

I'm imagining the Admech can autocomplete Scan and Puzzle missions

[icy scaffold]

Gunlugger in shambles

[light phoenix]

Get Ogryn a Cannon, Ogryns love Cannons

[lavish parrot]

Sorry big man you get limited ammo

[hybrid oyster]

would be cool if you could carry 2 primaries or something lol

[lavish parrot]

Lascannon imagine

[hybrid oyster]

cause you know, tentacles

lol

doc oc

[lavish parrot]

Two primaries AND NO RANGED OPTION

[hybrid oyster]

slap em with the arms

bap bap bap

[frigid wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/dispatch-punch-up-fight-gif-6391868211775016487

[icy scaffold]

The only pickpocket nerf I’d accept is simply giving it to Ogryn alongside Desperado

[light phoenix]

Turn Ogryn into an Ork and make him believe he still has ammo

[hybrid oyster]

they'll probably timegate it or something

like 30 secs cooldown

[final temple]

Invention is heresy.

[lavish parrot]

Yes exactly

[light phoenix]

I want Techpriest to further make Exe Stance Vet more useless

[lavish parrot]

Clearly you haven't seen ES plasma or bolter vet

[icy scaffold]

If scum loses infinite ammo then I’ll play smite only Psyker so melee players can’t have any fun either

[hybrid oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/funkyfunkyphil-phildog-gif-23158069

[lavish parrot]

Aka what the fuck is cover/walls

[ripe seal]

I was hoping that Ogryn was going to get an ult that acted like clockwork dwarf in verm 2 being a gun with overheat instead of ammo but I can imagine that for an admech

[spiral horizon]

Tech priest comes with innate golden toughness

[lavish parrot]

With a twist
He can't regen it

[icy scaffold]

So everyone will die trying to play it, like Hive Scum. Perfect

[light phoenix]

Techpriest has no health cause flesh is weak, only toughness

[limber cradle]

I wonder if techpriest will be vet or zealot

[icy scaffold]

It’ll be Vet, funny guns and a big power axe

[lavish parrot]

I know true reason why tech priest isn't getting added

That means Hadron has to be noce to them as a servant of omnissiah

[final temple]

it will be either, depending on the protocols you select as it’s unique class mechanic

[lavish parrot]

Nice Hadron cannot exist

She has to call you a dumb varlet

[ripe seal]

I think more than anything I want a class that plays a bit like Heinrix from rogue trader or that inquision psyker lady from dawn of war retribution, a physical brawler that uses their psyker stuff to augment them in combat, biomancy stuff

having some of their trees borrow from grail knight and warrior priest from verm 2

[charred bronze]

hah, I just realized that, with vulture's dodge, scum is darktide's first class with a built-in invuln save

[woeful hill]

Zealot until death?

[lavish parrot]

Omg true

[charred bronze]

invincibility, but invuln saves are usually 'always on' in the tabletop iirc.

[woeful hill]

I see

[charred bronze]

whereas that's a little more like the necron 'not dead' thing

[woeful hill]

I don't tabletop

[charred bronze]

it's been years and years since I have tbh

who knows what they've added in the meantime

[lavish parrot]

Me, a hive scum, tanking emperor class titan plasma cannon because vulture dodge was active

[limber cradle]

I think I'd call until death a feel no pain

Does 10e still have those?

[charred bronze]

nooo clue

[icy scaffold]

Psyker ranged dodge on crit talent

[charred bronze]

according to reddit it's gonezo
'Feel no Pain is the name of a now defunct ability from before 8th.'

[charred bronze]

that's ranged only though. Vodge is everything but crusher overheads and environmental damage, right?

[icy scaffold]

Vulture’s dodge is just melee

You need desperado for the ranged part

[lavish parrot]

Oh my god I just realised

[limber cradle]

Those are redditors, they don't know anything

[lavish parrot]

Remember that old debate if darktide strike team could or could not take down a space marine

[charred bronze]

actually the very next redditor knew something, I shoulda kept reading

"In 10ed, Feel No Pain X+ is a coined term in core rules again. For every suffered damage from a wound (including mortal wounds!), you'd roll a 1D6, with successes preventing the damage resulting from it."

[spiral horizon]

Silly debate that comes up every month or so lmao

[lavish parrot]

Me, a crackhead hive scum, tanking two mags of astartes bolt fire with no issue (I popped desperado)

[icy scaffold]

The only way it realistically happens is an Ogryn trying to hold the space marine while the Vet unloads plasma

(They still all die)

[charred bronze]

honestly, based on how we perform in-game, a havoc level DT squad is at least 500 points of named characters, and fully capable of carving and ugly swathe of damage across a battlefield.

[limber cradle]

Ive killed enough space marines in the FFG games to know we could

[spiral horizon]

A well placed plasma shot would do it

[lavish parrot]

One could argue we're still bunch if guys in hive city taking out cultist but at this point we've literally had been sent on frontlines to storm a fucking fortress

With leman russ support of course but like

That's 1 tank and 4 crackheads

[charred bronze]

yeah, the fact that we get access to heavy weapons like flamers and plasma, let alone force and power weapons means we'd be fully capable of killing marines, if the minis game is the yardstick

lots of marines

[icy scaffold]

The theory I’ve seen is that Khorne is buffing the rejects to fuck with Nurgle

[charred bronze]

force/power weapons are dangerous af

[lavish parrot]

Also krak grenades

[charred bronze]

there's your vehicle damage

[lavish parrot]

One krak is one dead marine

[spiral horizon]

Cheeky brainburst, plasma dump, krak nades, ogryn throwing hands…lots of options

[charred bronze]

and the zook is more powerful than the kraks, so that's your rocket launcher

[lavish parrot]

Honestly one strike team of 4 crackheads might not cut it
But who said inquisition is gonna send just 4 people

[final temple]

we could definitely take on ie plague marines as bosses. this is all about keeping the focus away from the poster boys.

[charred bronze]

the only thing working against the rejects is durability, really. And scum gets an invuln save!

[limber cradle]

Needle Pistols wound marines on a 3+ on the TT iirc

So scum could defo assist

[spiral horizon]

Hell a zealot could defo just jam his relic blade into an SM where the sun don’t shine

[charred bronze]

in tabletop terms, based on our level of power, we could take on squads of chaos marines. Wouldn't be easy, but we'd get kills if we worked around their abilities

in-game, I doubt we'll see it

[charred bronze]

it's kind of hilarious to me that the RBs are mediocre against armor

[near mauve]

reminder that in sm2 a single shot from a bolt pistol explodes the human into literal dust

[charred bronze]

they should carve it up

[lavish parrot]

It's all cool speculation but DT not having space marines at all is a major upside

[near mauve]

thanks for coming to my ted talk

[lavish parrot]

Remember
We do that all the time to cultists

[near mauve]

nope

not on the same scale

powerscaling is silly anyway

[charred bronze]

gibbing a cultist is about what a round from a bolter would do

[limber cradle]

Reminder we are based on a dark heresy party, it would suck to get shot but it probably wouldn't pulp you

[lavish parrot]

I mean

Difference is the calibers true

[charred bronze]

they're powerful, but they're a base weapon for astartes

[lavish parrot]

But bolter is a bolter

[light phoenix]

Basically an elite Darktide team could take down a Space Marine with a decent chance

But a Space Marine almost 100 percent wrecks a Darktide team

[near mauve]

streban solos

on his own

[lavish parrot]

No matter the size it turns a person into paste

[charred bronze]

our bolt gun is the equivalent to an astartes bolt pistol, as far as I can tell

[lavish parrot]

That's just what bolters do

[near mauve]

u know whats funny about the debate is that marines arent invincible and go down to normal people

its all up to the writer

and the situation

[limber cradle]

Yk whats funnier

Theyve died to wooden spears

[hybrid oyster]

plot armor moments

[lavish parrot]

Me suicide bombing a space marine wtih kraks just like that one dude from dead space 3

[light phoenix]

Aren't they novels of a Tau meleeing a Space Marine?

[near mauve]

nah its more like they're legit not immortal

[lavish parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-space-kamikaze-explosion-gif-15875063139611313358

[charred bronze]

yeah, marines are very powerful, but just really badass, elite shock troops. A lot of the feats people attribute to astartes at-large are really named character equivalents, which radically alters the power scale

[near mauve]

think about it there's a million? of them in lore
if they were silly level op then there would be no more wars

[frigid sluice]

what heavy sword mark do I use if I want heavy attacks for horde clear

mk ix?

[lavish parrot]

9

[light phoenix]

All this talk, then the Psyker Brainbursts then Space Marinr

[frigid sluice]

I don't know roman numerals

[limber cradle]

A named space marine is scary

Unnamed space marine 47 isn't

[frigid sluice]

I'm gonna assume x means 10 so ix probably means 9

[lavish parrot]

Ye

[near mauve]

titus boutta take back 500 worlds cause he has a name

[frigid sluice]

is the horde clear just l1 and then heavy loop

[limber cradle]

The difference between some goober tactical and "Biggus Dickus Captain of the third company" is insane

[limber cradle]

Literally yes.

[near mauve]

he's cool as fuck so its ok

[light phoenix]

Space Marine 47... Agent 47?!!

Alpharius?!!!?!!

[frigid sluice]

alright thanks

numbers to the left subtract from the middle and numbers to the right add to the middle right

[clever wren]

The D Worlds of Ultramar

[spiral horizon]

Meanwhile funny knife goes brrr

Relic blade is based tho

[frigid sluice]

relic blade so fun but it feels too slow

[final temple]

only to a certain point. L C D can sometimes appear out of sequence

[lavish parrot]

Chaos marine dying to a meme vet build that made shredder autopistol destroy carapace

[frigid sluice]

what does special on nedle pistol do

[bronze glade]

why aren't you playing martyrdom

[clever wren]

Martyrdom covereth a multitude of sins

[frigid sluice]

I do

[bronze glade]

should be pretty fast with marty + FOTF

[frigid sluice]

I like martyr thammer more

[charred bronze]

I mean, space marines can and do die to lasguns. You can win vs marines with an astra militarum army

[unreal stirrup]

piety relic blade real

[final temple]

no space marine squad is immune vs a fucking bucket full of shooting dice.

[lavish parrot]

Zealot shroudfield oneshotting a space marine by hitting it in the ass cheecks

[unreal stirrup]

relic marty shroudfield is like way more functional

[spiral horizon]

Martyrdom out here so I can break my arms and herniate my spine to swing faster somehow

[charred bronze]

fricken europeans leaning too hard into HEMA. Sure, daggers were used to kill knights, but I think only after they were knocked on their asses

[clever wren]

Last time I was remotely interested in the tabletop, given average rolls it was not physically possible to fit enough Guardsmen around a Primaris Intercessor Squad to wipe them with lasguns alone

[charred bronze]

grievous wounds fill you with holy zeal!

[unreal stirrup]

what im running in havoc rn

[charred bronze]

primaris marines didn't exist when I played, so I dunno the game state now

[spiral horizon]

It’d be fair enough if the game had realistic armour mechanics but we ain’t got that

[charred bronze]

I would kill mildly inconvenience a man to have the ability to aim attacks for weak spots in armor on targets like crushers and armored ragers

lemme poke crusher necks, Fatshark

[spiral horizon]

This is why chaos warriors are better than crushers

[charred bronze]

and I played necrons, so I murdered blueberries with extreme prejudice as long as I could stay outta melee

[clever wren]

I don't know it either anymore, but it's probably (like Darktide, as it happens) reliant on spamming deep strike plasma guns

[clever wren]

CW trash talk game was also miles better

[charred bronze]

haha true

[lavish parrot]

You can't have ogryns trash talk honestly

[charred bronze]

the bellowed taunts also let you know they were coming, unlike deep strike stealth crushers

[lavish parrot]

Unless it's heavy

Heavy ogryn has education which makes him a menace

[spiral horizon]

“ELF WENCH”

[mighty belfry]

Am I like

The only one that likes momentum relic

[spiral horizon]

Dude I got dunked by one the other day and was quite embarrassed

[lavish parrot]

Southlander shaker

[spiral horizon]

Snuck up upon by a fucking steel hulk

[charred bronze]

the worst is the NBA basketball pivot overhead honestly. You see the overhead, you know it's going over there, then suddenly it's smashing you

[lavish parrot]

There's cinema cliche of some huge steel vehicle or hunk coming up behind protagonists with no sound

After darktide I understand why it exists

[frigid sluice]

what does the special on needle gun do

[unreal stirrup]

this is why armor in vt2 is better than dt

[lavish parrot]

Switches the mode

[unreal stirrup]

you can deal with armor with every melee weapon

[frigid sluice]

what are the modes

[mighty belfry]

The stealth zealot immediately going stealth and making a crusher change direction mid animation, turning to you with no time to react.

[limber cradle]

Shield Rotbloods are so much more tolerable than Bulwarks it isn't even funny

[spiral horizon]

Chat dropping truth nukes rn frfr

[lavish parrot]

Normal mode and special mode duh

Normal mode applies 6 stacks of toxin per shot

And that's it

[woeful hill]

check pins

most recent pin

[lavish parrot]

Special depends on the needle mark check pins for those

[spiral horizon]

Yea and I still hate em lmao but yea more tolerable by a long shot

[limber cradle]

I'm ngl I think I'm getting burnt on DT again cause so much of the game is pmo post scum release

[mighty belfry]

Bulwarks worst designed darktide enemy by far

[frigid sluice]

alright

[limber cradle]

Idk it's neck and neck with poxbombers

[unreal stirrup]

yeah at least rotshield open up easier

[charred bronze]

I do wish they'd give crushers voice lines. Even single words, uttered in a putrescent baritone

"SUFFER"
"MEAT"
"CRUSH"
"PUTR-. . . PUTR-. . . PU- ROT!!!"

[lavish parrot]

Poxbombers? The gas grenade ones?

[limber cradle]

Yes

[near mauve]

pox bursters are a run ender enemy that 1- bug 50% of the time 2- people dont know how to deal with them

[unreal stirrup]

poxbombers is the worst

[near mauve]

worst enemy

[unreal stirrup]

shit blocking your vision

[unreal stirrup]

2 is the effect of post scum release

[limber cradle]

PBursters wouldn't even be bad if FS somehow didn't totally shatter how they work

[mighty belfry]

Bulwarks are also runenders imhe

[unreal stirrup]

yeah having your melee frontline be blocked by bulwark is not fun

[near mauve]

bulwark is an ok enemy on its own the issue is they are NOT SUPPOSED TO BE SPAMMED FATSHARK AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[lavish parrot]

I think I know why bursters explode earlier than they should and why it's a thing post scum

[unreal stirrup]

which is why i run btl + nade arby in havoc nowadays

[charred bronze]

a gigantic bulwark wave is the absolute fucking worst, especially when there a bunch of trappers or whatever mixed in

[lavish parrot]

So you know needle pistols right

[mighty belfry]

Nah the shield hit boxes are extremely jank

[unreal stirrup]

actually goated for rotten armor

[near mauve]

few bulwraks do what they're supposed to do which is making u slow down a bit and focus on them
enetire blockade is 0/10 lazy garbo

[mighty belfry]

That contributes a lot to why they feel like shit to fight.

[charred bronze]

if you don't have specific answers to that problem, the run is over

[near mauve]

also yeah their stagger mechanics are bad

[mighty belfry]

That and them getting friendly fired causing them to raise their shield

[lavish parrot]

Just let us break bulwark block like in vt2

[mighty belfry]

Because someone asked for that apparently?

[unreal stirrup]

you can

[lavish parrot]

YOU CAN???

[unreal stirrup]

I don't think it intended atm but on crusher arby (not using special) you can open up bulwark block

[gaunt onyx]

hive scum with shredder pistol is fucking peak

[unreal stirrup]

work in psykarium and real game

[charred bronze]

extremely high stagger attacks can open a bulwark

[limber cradle]

I love stunning a bulwark just for their stun animation to still cover them with a shield

[unreal stirrup]

might be related to stagger

[charred bronze]

without those attacks, some weapons simply can't

so you have to wait for them to attack, which doesn't work well when there's 60 of them

[lavish parrot]

I simply just spam bulwarks with dots as scum

[near mauve]

all the issues are way more noticeable cause the spanws are stupid

[lavish parrot]

Both bleed and toxin

[near mauve]

some enimies should not be spammed

[lavish parrot]

24 ragers upon thee

[unreal stirrup]

mutant are actual run ender in havoc fr

[near mauve]

i'll take ragers over bulwarks

[unreal stirrup]

ragers is fine

[charred bronze]

actually, a zillion ragers makes total sense to me

[unreal stirrup]

you can at least kill them compare to bulwark

so fucking glad stim is not in rotation anymore

[lavish forge]

are you an addict

[lavish parrot]

Havoc is just isn't fun

[limber cradle]

I kinda agree

[unreal stirrup]

I mean you do you but i like the density

[limber cradle]

Rn I am running a loadout i objectively hate playing for prog tbh

[unreal stirrup]

if only there a difficulty with havoc horde but not havoc modifier!!!!!

[limber cradle]

I agree

[charred bronze]

I still want to do it, but it seems like the kind of thing you do to say you did it, then you go back to spamming aurics/maelstroms for actual fun and relaxation

[limber cradle]

The best era of DT was broken infinite resources director tbh

[lavish parrot]

Ok true

[limber cradle]

Maels are ZZZ tier for me atp

But havoc is just

You WILL use an unfun loadout for progress

[lavish parrot]

Havoc just sucks man

[unreal stirrup]

mael can be harder than havoc just due to teammate

[charred bronze]

that's my experience with damnation vs aurics, so that tracks

and some people can't cooperate or have any game sense at all without voice comms

[unreal stirrup]

post scum release i can't progress havoc at all because people are genuinely dogshit

[lavish parrot]

Damnation is for people who are low on diamantine because no one on aurics picks them up

[unreal stirrup]

if you need material just clear 1 havoc per week

don't need super high either

[trim wind]

what's it like, to need mats

https://tenor.com/view/snob-rich-spongebob-squarepants-gif-13899241

[limber cradle]

Havoc randoms are so fucking bad rn

[lavish parrot]

It's to run level 300 melees

[charred bronze]

I refuse to pug it. Seems like an exercise in incredible frustration

[unreal stirrup]

me playing with the 293083293th shield ogryn that don't know how to play the game beyond standing in corner taunt and tank

[obtuse island]

Bros, as of now, is the hive scum class worth it or should i wait more time?

[unreal stirrup]

it actually so fucking bad rn

[trim wind]

i made all my materials in year 1 basically, been self sustaining ever since

[mint valve]

Is there something wrong with rampage and stimm dependency? When i pop a stimm the cooldown should be 51sec (im using maxed out chems) but whenever i pop rampage the stimm cooldown lengthens

Am i missing something

[limber cradle]

It is.

[lavish parrot]

Isn't 100% viscosity 75 second cd

[charred bronze]

jump in now, and enjoy the soothing warmth of a desperado + vulture's dodge infinite bullets, practical invincibility before it gets nerfed

[unreal stirrup]

I just want to get back in 40

[mint valve]

Im at 60% vis

[lavish parrot]

Ah

[unreal stirrup]

this shit so ass

[obtuse island]

Damn so its gonna get nerfed eventually lmao

[lavish parrot]

I mean

Arby isn't nerfed

[limber cradle]

Idk if i even care

[charred bronze]

we honestly don't know, but most expect it to be adjusted somehow

[unreal stirrup]

arby isn't that strong

[charred bronze]

I thought they toned arby down?

[mint valve]

So it should be just short enough of a cooldown so i can keep stuffing stimms down my throat but rampage messes with it

[trim wind]

not much

[obtuse island]

[unreal stirrup]

"toned" down

[trim wind]

slap on the wrist

[unreal stirrup]

yeah they did

he better in havoc if there rotten armor now though

since btl + nades

[charred bronze]

what did they actually nerf on the class? I couldn't really tell a difference, but it's been so long since I played the career, I don't have a basis for comparison

[limber cradle]

Like why am I going to have objectively no fun playing havoc

For a CL40?

[trim wind]

very slight dmg nerfs

[limber cradle]

It doesn't even matter.

[trim wind]

and longer cd on lone wolf shock mines

[obtuse island]

Tldr: its a good class?

[trim wind]

(but at the same time got shorter cd lone wolf nades)

[charred bronze]

well, maybe vulturado will survive largely unscathed

[trim wind]

hive is fun

[mighty belfry]

It's

[trim wind]

could use some changes i guess? but nothing crazy

[mighty belfry]

Complicated

But yes.

[obtuse island]

Should i just wait until its worked on a bit more then?

[unreal stirrup]

scum is good if you're good at fundamental

[trim wind]

just play it if you wanna, it's fun

[charred bronze]

anyway, it's a very strong class, but you gotta do the fundamentals for most specs. You won't start really having fun until around level 20 or so, and it gets better from there with levels and the right gear.

Fully equipped at 30 with good talents and good game fundamentals, it's very strong

[trim wind]

running around, shooting infinite ammo

[mighty belfry]

Basically, not a beginner friendly class, but when you realize how stupid some of the synergies in the talents are, you realize it's actually crazy good.

[trim wind]

ehhh shoot mode is pretty brain dead

[mighty belfry]

On top of pretty darn good class specific weapons.

[unreal stirrup]

nah negative steam review go

"this class is so bad because i am bad at the game"

[obtuse island]

So it rewards min/maxxing the shit out of it, makes sense

[mighty belfry]

tbf, you have to at least know what you're doing a bit

[unreal stirrup]

I mean only needler and shiv fit lol

[exotic temple]

Just don’t name the space marine and you will be fine.

[charred bronze]

the youtubers who were trashing it are likely much, much worse at the game than they think they are

[trim wind]

"hold down m1 + w"

[unreal stirrup]

I mean that apply to rampage too lol

but rampage require interaction

[trim wind]

hey now sometimes rampage has to dodge

[obtuse island]

Im pretty good at dodging and I like high speed gameplay so i guess its up my alley

[mighty belfry]

I honestly think bone saw is pretty good.

Crowbar.

Eh

Could be better.

[near mauve]

u guys are making this too complicated
its simpler than that
do you want to pew pew infinitely?
do u want to use a melee ult that destroys everything in sight?
do u wanna inject drugs every 10 seconds and stim your whole team?
if ur answer is yes then buy it

[unreal stirrup]

i don't like bonesaw because ass flak adm

[spiral horizon]

You don’t understand bro, my epeen bro, I gotta stroke it because no one else will bro

[charred bronze]

the DAPs are excellent. Their only issue is disgusting ammo inefficiency, which scum can deal with easily

[unreal stirrup]

also it rely on shock and awe for cleave when toxin cuck you out of shock and awe

[limber cradle]

Basically, yeah.

[lavish parrot]

have you tried purple

[mighty belfry]

Barely matters when it guarantees toxin which will end up killing them anyway

Because toxin is stupidly strong

[unreal stirrup]

killing thing not fast enough is a real problem lol

[charred bronze]

well, and they don't kill carapace well, but most ranged options struggle with carapace

[unreal stirrup]

yeah which take time to switch and giving up toxin

if only purple give you rending instead of applying brittleness to the enemy

[charred bronze]

Oh, scum also has, arguably, three of the strongest blitzes in the entire game

[unreal stirrup]

it literally the strongest blitz in the game there zero competition lol

[limber cradle]

I don't even think it's arguable

[charred bronze]

I like to say arguably in case someone argues with me

[limber cradle]

Chem nade is better fire nade

[lavish parrot]

Boom bringer is just "roger, removing that general direction"

[limber cradle]

Black outs are better flashes

[unreal stirrup]

blinder is the "worst" out of the three but it is much better than anything else

[limber cradle]

Rocket is turbo buffed to hell

Rocket is like, so stupid tbh

[mighty belfry]

okay this is a genuinely bold claim when kraks and frags exist

[mint valve]

Could use pocket toxin for a glorified chem nade tho

[charred bronze]

I honestly expected chem nade to inflict debuffs, not pop everything that walks into it into a cloud of sarin gas

[mighty belfry]

It does debuff.

[spiral horizon]

Rocket makes ogryn bomb look pretty fuckin sad rn

[unreal stirrup]

I can understand krak when there rotten armor but id rather take smoke/shredder depend on build

[mighty belfry]

By cutting down hit mass lmaoooo

[unreal stirrup]

frag bomb is uh

dogshit

[limber cradle]

I cannot believe they buffed rocket to be what it is rn

[charred bronze]

I mean mostly debuff, small dot, not debuff, big dot

[mighty belfry]

rite

Yeah I get you

[mint valve]

Make ogryn frag 1 shot everything, simple as

[mighty belfry]

But like, chem nades are stupid.

[charred bronze]

I think the buff PLUS quantity increase was too much

[unreal stirrup]

also this is fun but it really doesn't happen that much

[charred bronze]

this could be a 1 limit blitz and it would still be worth taking rn

[mighty belfry]

It's not even just being a better immolation grenade but objectively it's just busted all around

I was once a non beliver but when you realize you can just kinda lock down a chokepoint entirely with those things, I realize how abusable they can get lol

[charred bronze]

I enjoy how it works though. It's a fun blitz that feels incredible when you use it

[limber cradle]

As much as I like blinders

[mighty belfry]

I'll admit.

[limber cradle]

Idk why i use em

They don't even one pop a bulwark open

[unreal stirrup]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1444017590748975125/1453059836739850281/Warhammer_40-000-_Darktide_-_2025-12-23_11-19-54_PM.mp4?ex=694eb5ed&is=694d646d&hm=25bd4580276572062fabf69991e595b6c43fc1c974bc3e6c57e9d61581f270e2&

[mighty belfry]

I don't mind them being like this. I just do mind that you can get up to four of them

[unreal stirrup]

krak propaganda

[limber cradle]

Thats chem nade propaganda in the killfeed

Im ngl

[lavish parrot]

Chem nade doesn't need propaganda

Everyone already knows its busted

[mighty belfry]

I wish I recorded it

[charred bronze]

they do on auric, but you gotta hit the actual bulwark. Feelsbad that you can't toss one into a group and open 'em all up

[mighty belfry]

But have you ever had to clutch and you had a vet with field improv and you just happened to have two ammo crates nearby

[charred bronze]

maybe stagger resist on havoc prevents it, idk

[limber cradle]

Its bulwarks being fucking esoteric to stagger at times that fucks em tbh

[mighty belfry]

Doing that with boom bringer

[charred bronze]

not with zooks, but I basically did that chem nades

[mighty belfry]

Was one of the stupidest things I have ever done

It's so fucking strong

[limber cradle]

500 rockets

[pallid bay]

i have joined the scum

[spiral horizon]

We should nerf the crap out of every class in exchange for making bulwarks shields breakable

[charred bronze]

you're gonna regret that name when you realize how much you don't like the crowbar though

[charred bronze]

I just wish you could build stagger on the shield with pushes to break it

[pallid bay]

eh idc ngl its just a funny name

[charred bronze]

oh for sure. Just a joke

[lavish parrot]

Yet another Fent based name
Welcome to the fent board matey

[spiral horizon]

Yeahhh, they’re by far the most unfun thing in normal gameplay

[lapis raft]

https://tenor.com/view/snoop-dog-christmas-gif-8011539081542526440

[unreal stirrup]

if only fatshark have a predecessor to darktide that have this exact thing

[eager reef]

i hope we see soem more cosmetic wise for scum, there is alot we could get

[charred bronze]

me too. I kinda feel 'bad' for fatshark. not being able to strike while the iron is hot to sell additional cosmetics has to be fucking up their bottom line

someone who mains arbites or scum is currently probably feeding zero additional dollars toward the game.

From a pure business perspective, that's kind of a disaster

[torpid marsh]

does %damage to ARMOR TYPE perk also increase DoT's applied by your weapon or just the hit itself?

(to that armor type)

[unreal stirrup]

yes it does

[tranquil fjord]

does anyone else wish that latch attacks were twice their current speed

[candid flare]

Like crowbar heavies in lobotomy mode?

[urban gull]

Shredder Autopistol with Sticky Fingers has 0 recoil

It is a SNIPER RIFLE

[urban gull]

Not really, feels balanced

[charred bronze]

I wish it did a lot more damage

[eager reef]

i sit in the camp of having no issue with cosmetics so long as they dont offer any advantages. if i like it i'll buy it

scum in particular could get a huge variety of salvaged, repurposed and even stolen gear

[charred bronze]

I'm old enough to remember when the debate was about literal pay 2 win in mainstream games vs cosmetics being 'okay'. Now we have mobile games that make obscene amounts of money off of blatant pay to win merchandising schemes, and people get mad at mainstream games over cosmetics issues and pricing.

Honestly, there's SO much cool art to mine for Scum. I'm hoping we get to see it

necromunda is a gold mine for stuff that ranges from badass to batshit

[flint granite]

Truth exterminatus

[haughty slate]

Hey all you sexy scoomers

hope everyone had a beautiful christmas

[limber cradle]

I got handmade moccasins and a sword on the way so

Could defo be worse

Same goes to you

[haughty slate]

you are dripped out and ready for war

let's goooo

[tranquil fjord]

yeah, or chain rev attacks

[spiral horizon]

I got me kufiya and the tasting history cookbook

gonna bake bread using a fuckin 4000 year old recipe

[flat lotus]

just started playing scum and i like the desperado playstyle

what are some solid weapon pairings for desperado

[candid flare]

I use twin stubbs and rashad but neither are considered the best

[flat lotus]

how do stubs compare to autopistols

i've yet to try them

[hybrid oyster]

hits harder, gives you more nerve damage from clicking

[candid flare]

Autos better objectively but stubs are a vibe

[flat lotus]

ah

maybe its just early but i feel like with autos i might want a melee better against carapace

[haughty slate]

dual autopistols is the popular choice for Desperado

[limber cradle]

Stubs normally used as a melee back up if you don't want to use needler

[hybrid oyster]

they're great, but yea autos are just easier

[limber cradle]

Shivs

[unreal stirrup]

rashad is like top 3 scum melee

[flat lotus]

i get combat axe and tac axe confused. is rashad the one with the funny overhead heavy spam

[unreal stirrup]

yes

[flat lotus]

ohh yeah that one is fun

i haven't used that in ages

[candid flare]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[flat lotus]

should i run rashad or shivs

im tempted by the former because im having some issues with crusher killing on my ranged so far

though i am only level eight

[haughty slate]

Doesn't really matter tbh

both are fine as far as dealing with crushers

[limber cradle]

Preference, yeah

I prefer shivs cause of the throwing knife special fwiw

[flat lotus]

shivs are kind of funny though i like the heavies

and the throwing knife special is great

[unreal stirrup]

I find shivs are mid but people calling it the second coming of christ for some reason

[candid flare]

It's bc they can movement shenanigans like knife

[unreal stirrup]

just use knofe

[limber cradle]

Love me shiv dodge

[eager reef]

no

[candid flare]

[haughty slate]

shivs are more fun knife

[flat lotus]

i've enjoyed the shivs so far

i hate combat knife

[vast yoke]

honestly warming up on dual pistols in Havoc

[unreal stirrup]

morefun: light for horde, heavy for single target

[vast yoke]

unfortunately true yeah

i still use mk6 on like two builds because they're desperado spam

[flat lotus]

i like weapons that enable brainrot

[limber cradle]

Better than only spamming push attack ime

[flat lotus]

thats why i use ds4

[limber cradle]

God I hate using knife

[unreal stirrup]

I mean it have more than pa spam

[vast yoke]

a fellow rashad user i see

[eager reef]

https://tenor.com/view/green-explosion-skaven-gif-9272053709133071409

[flat lotus]

shovel and combat axe too

[unreal stirrup]

haymaker

[flat lotus]

i like the brainrot

[unreal stirrup]

on shiv

[limber cradle]

Why do you have haymaker?

[vast yoke]

havoc meme that actually works

[woeful hill]

making hay...

[unreal stirrup]

on mk1 shiv too lmao

[eager reef]

shivs have two hit boxes

[compact valley]

what blessings on rashaad

[eager reef]

meaning i can instagib 2 elites

[unreal stirrup]

headtaker bm

literally just it

[limber cradle]

If it makes you happy

[flat lotus]

why not uncanny/riposte for shivs or some variation of that

[spiral horizon]

haymaker? I hardly know her

[vast yoke]

you can build it with headtaker bm (you can ignore cleave talents, run hyperv) or if you're running rampage you can actually run decimator headtaker (just make sure to take the cleave talent in that case)

[compact valley]

ty

fastest way to get mastery for it cause im a broke bitch

[vast yoke]

on high Havoc hyperc doesn't cut it, you actually end up making use of Haymaker

[candid flare]

Use it

[unreal stirrup]

rashad have negative cleave

cleave talent won't help

😭

[vast yoke]

it has 3

weirdly

[eager reef]

i use both lol

[flat lotus]

🚂

[vast yoke]

try it with the setup it's absurd but it works

[unreal stirrup]

yeah which is why i say negative cleave

[vast yoke]

decimator headtaker just ends up silly damage

[unreal stirrup]

it enough for 1 poxwalker

[vast yoke]

the thing is, strength multiplies absurdly

[flat lotus]

i like to spam rolling steel if i am in need of xp

[vast yoke]

throwing it a bit of cleave with a ton of strength from rampage and added strength from decimator and you actually blend

[unreal stirrup]

do you mean the one with cleave target instead of rashad

[vast yoke]

no

try it out

im dead serious

i tried it as a joke

it works

im dead serious

it's not leagues better than BM it barely matches it

but single target gets stinky because decimator+htaker is very stinky

i was in the same boat as you thinking oh its poop out the shitty butt but no genuinely it works

[unreal stirrup]

giving up bm just so you get more damage in rampage is uh

idk

you're kinda gimped when not on rampage

[vast yoke]

not rlly

weirdly it works fine

also when are you not in rampage in Havoc let's be fr

ofc this is horrendously overkill outside of Auric+

I only tried it because 2 weeks straight of Rotten Armor started cooking my brain

it works

very well

[mint valve]

Do Blackouts with pocket toxin synergize with sample collector?

[novel oracle]

yes
but toxin kills dont refresh blackouts

[mint valve]

Makes sense

[unreal stirrup]

I thought toxin does proc the close range conditional

[novel oracle]

nope

like needlepistol cant proc speedload or refresh desperado

cuz its just toxin damage

same kinda thing

[woeful hill]

lift off

[eager reef]

nyoom

[abstract lichen]

Are you just untargettable there forever

[woeful hill]

they can target me

I just hopped off

[candid flare]

There are benches In Enclavum Baross that break pathing

At the sections between bridges

[flint granite]

Hello scum chat I hope you all had a good holiday

[vast yoke]

technically can proc speedloader but you need to literally kill with the needle not DOT also they "fixed" it's Desperado behaviour but the AOE kills on alt fire don't count, only the one initially shot

it's good enough to make despo meme builds viable speaking from experience but obviously nothing is as busted as dual uzis

[grand jewel]

[mint valve]

Wtf is shiv gambling rng

I cant buy a perfect shiv for shit

[unreal stirrup]

76 on everything

[candid flare]

What level is your scum

[mint valve]

26

High enough to roll proper stats

[candid flare]

Not 30 = no complaints.

[mint valve]

It wont give me 60% mobility

[woeful hill]

wait till 30

its weighted to not be perfect until you are maxed

its just cheaper and safer that way

[mint valve]

I forgor

Darktide did that

[woeful hill]

ye

[mint valve]

Meanwhile it rolls a perfect needler at lvl 18

[woeful hill]

rngjesus

blessed

[mint valve]

Everything but damage maxed

[woeful hill]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-licking-popsicle-gif-3122588929262013745

yummy

[hybrid oyster]

?? it's lower quality score but it still gives you perfect rolls

[woeful hill]

weighted

its more likely to get 4 stats 80 and 1 60 at level 30

then it is lower

[hybrid oyster]

ah I see

[woeful hill]

this was changed on arby release iirc

It might be in patch notes

but we know

they just dont explain

[mint valve]

4stack stimming is demanding

Trying to thirst for 500 kills just to recharge stimm in time for the stack

[hybrid oyster]

I just go with 3 lol

[mint valve]

I need the crit chance

I must

[woeful hill]

use stim supply

[mint valve]

One tap crusher

[mint valve]

Im breaking the damage threshold with rampage and crit building

So i can crit chain elites

[unreal stirrup]

literally 2 blinder

[mint valve]

With PT?

[unreal stirrup]

yes

[mint valve]

Ehh

Maybe

I use funny rpg

Make burgle disappear

[woeful hill]

https://tenor.com/view/rpg-bazooka-oops-run-gif-13839531

[low harbor]

no

[lavish forge]

idk why but I really love the way m!anarchist says "what are YOU so angry about?!" to the rager, like he's genuinely offended by them being angry instead of having fun

[mint valve]

Hive might be my favorite class just because of how different he is

[junior dune]

the bazooka is so fun

[candid flare]

Much better now that more. But still won't risk lootgobbling teammates eating all the drops so I only use blitzes that self regen somehow

[unreal stirrup]

you have blitz priority as scum anyway lol

[lapis raft]

game just keeps giving me perfectly rolled rashads as mission rewards but i refuse smh

[candid flare]

[finite sand]

Heavy sword with rampage and adrenaline can 5 shot a crusher.

It's actually peak being able to use heavy sword on a class that isn't zealout and have fun with it.

Talents in question with a standard mk6 hsword.

[woeful hill]

cleave maxing

holy

[finite sand]

I didn't swap anything from using my crowbar.

So its unoptimized.

[spiral horizon]

yeah hsword scum slaps

[finite sand]

But tbh I could probably drop deathblow and take something else for a blessing.

It's just funny seeing hsword heavies hit a crusher for ~1.5k damage.

[spiral horizon]

you can do some pretty funny stuff with hyperviolence

[woeful hill]

yeah

weapons with BM love HV

Rashad 1 shotting crusher is funny

[spiral horizon]

it do be

[cedar cairn]

Adrenaline Hyperviolence Rashad is incredibly funny

[light phoenix]

What blessings to use? BM HT?

[woeful hill]

Yeah

[light phoenix]

Can I get the same effect on Hsword?

[low harbor]

not enough dmg

harsher conditions

[light phoenix]

Shame, wanted Hsword to shine

[woeful hill]

Already does

[light phoenix]

Not as shiny as the "meta" it seems

[woeful hill]

Meta is a loose term

[flint granite]

It's good

[woeful hill]

I see it harder and harder to find a "meta" thing these days

[flint granite]

If you want a dedicated fuck carapace button just bring needle pistol or boom bringer

Done, hswords biggest weakness taken care of

Enjoy a fun sword

[woeful hill]

And it's not even a weakness on scum with rampage

[flint granite]

Ye

[flat mist]

Why no HV?

[finite sand]

Cause I didn't optimize it for hsword, this is what I was using for crowbar and what I tested hsword with.

[flat mist]

Ah fair

[candid flare]

Flipping over my crowbar seems like a pretty dedicated fuck carapace button

[fast gust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1351784855545057281/1440269658895945770/togif.gif

[lavish bronze]

blessing suggestions for crowbar? currently using can opener and superiority

[analog cliff]

Opportunist superiority bash

[zenith fern]

Throwing hands to this particular hound

[spark gyro]

Slap the toxin talent and flesh tearer

The punch can crit

Appreciate the fist of bubonic plague

[frigid wyvern]

i just noticed i turned the auto pistol into a vector....

[unique spire]

If I ever saw a person personalize their completely normal automatic gun to this I would consider them a threat to all humanity

[rustic zinc]

Quick and Deadly is just +15% Close Ranged Damage and not close-ranged damage....right?

Hmm, apparently not. At least one source says it's not only ANY damage, but that it has linear falloff towards 30m? Wild.

[split lagoon]

How's the vraks mk5 on the scum? Compared to the uzis?

[unique spire]

I think it does more damage per bullet and has higher fire rate, though theres more recoil

[low harbor]

It’s just damage_near and applies globally

[flat mist]

https://outplayed.tv/warhammer-40k-darktide/bKwdWe

[eager zephyr]

Does the box give stim effect if I use the stim on myself before?

[flat mist]

Proccing calling for a timeout like this is hilarious lmao

[flat mist]

It shouldn't, but it's currently bugged. If you enter the area of stimm supply after its been placed you'll always get the stimm buff.

[split lagoon]

Hmmm recoil doesn't sound that bad

[unique spire]

I don't think it stacks, but it does appear that both have been used separately

[unique spire]

Yeah one of the first tree skills helps you reduce the recoil

[clear isle]

guys, does "in your face" apply to the poison stacks from needle gun?

Its the +25% ranged damage within 12.5 meters talent

[tranquil berry]

Dot damage is not ranged damage

[clear isle]

alright, thank you

[winged bay]

it's any damage when wielding your ranged weapon

[clear isle]

so that means the DoT is affected by the talent?

im just gonna go test it in the psykhanium...

the DoT is affected, one needle on an auric crusher goes from 131 to 158

im not sure if this hits any meaningful breakpoints though

ok the only two enemies that seemed to be different was that the hound took 2 needles rather than 1, and that you can kill reapers with 2 bodyshot needles rather than 2 headshot needles

[tranquil berry]

I highly recommend the debuff indicator mod if you're doing your own testing. It's invaluable to know how many stacks you have going before comparing how much they tick for

You'll need that to figure out what's the minimum stacks you need to kill a thing, as that matters more than number of shots

For instance, with mk6, a crit headshot will apply 4 more stacks than a non crit body shot, which is a massive increase in tick damage

This could also make you conclude that certain buffs apply or not if you're comparing tick damage but have actually applied a different number of stacks by rng crit or head/body shot difference

[flat lotus]

best perks for shivs?

[fleet lantern]

I like Riposte and Precognition, personally.

[flat lotus]

oh thats blessings

i meant the perks

i use uncanny/precog

[fleet lantern]

Oh! Duh.

I use carapace/unyielding because that's what I tend to stab in the face the most.

I feel like it depends on your ranged choice, though.

[flat lotus]

autopistols

so probably cara/unyielding too tbh

[fleet lantern]

I use the Mk1 shivs and use autopistols on my Desperado build, so I break them out to take down a crusher or two faster than my guns will.

I do unyielding/maniacs on the pistols.

[tranquil berry]

Unyielding/ carapace for shivs simply because everything else dies very fast anyway and if you don't 1 shot it you'll definitely 2 shot it even on light spam

Recommend riposte over precog, crit scaling is idiotic

[fleet lantern]

You can run both.

[tranquil berry]

Yeah but the uptime on uncanny is better

[exotic temple]

It depends on what your crit chance is. Boosting the crit and weakspot dmg itself may net more dps than the chance if you are already in the 60-70% crit chance range

[tranquil berry]

I found the uptime on precog kinda low

Because I one shot things so often I don't get to dodge their attacks as often as you may think, not in a way that counts anyway

And the buff lasts only 2 seconds

So im actually averaging less than 30% uptime on precog

[flat mist]

It also depends on your weakspot rate

Shivs do like 5x damage on crit compared to body

But like 1.2x on crit vs weakspot

[tranquil berry]

Try precog with the uptime mod and check your numbers. I like it in principle, but I just couldn't keep it up... Don't quote me on that last bit

With sub 30% uptime, i wasn't impressed

[flat mist]

The argument for precog is that it's up when it really matters

[exotic temple]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-what-she-said-michael-scott-the-office-dunder-mifflin-she-said-gif-20880701

[tranquil berry]

Not necessarily. It triggers on you dodging a thing... And I often kill the thing without needing to dodge it, or go in and out with sheer speed without the buff ever triggering

I've fought crushers and killed them without the buff ever coming up

[exotic temple]

Yeah I try for weakspot as much as I can especially on crushers.

[flat mist]

Packs of ragers. Packs of armour. Bosses.

[exotic temple]

But it’s very much your mileage will vary

[tranquil berry]

I understand the theory, but my experience and the uptime mod says different. Try the mod and check your numbers, i was surprised myself

[flat mist]

With 90% crit you don't even need to aim for heads

[tranquil berry]

Ragers die in 1 hit with rampage on, so if I swing while backpedaling, they die without me having to ever dodge them, or not in a way that triggers the buff anyway

With crushers, I often have room to move around them and don't need to dodge their attacks, just reposition out of range with my speed

[flat lotus]

i guess i will take uncanny/precog for now

[tranquil berry]

It's weird I know, but my uptime was disappointingly low with precog

[flat lotus]

because i have zero clue what is better

i cant really tell in game but precog does seem like its less consistent?

[tranquil berry]

All I'm saying is grab the uptime mod and check your precog uptime with your play style, you may be surprised

It lasts only 2 sec and you trigger it less often than you think

I find riposte is much more uptime, cause it lasts longer, and uncanny is deterministically on all the time, so those two are my pick

[hardy canyon]

So im trying to figure out which blessings and perks would be good for shiv?

img uessing its like, melee crit and unyielding?

[limber cradle]

I run cara/unyielding/uncanny/riposte

Which seems pretty standard afaik

[hardy canyon]

pretty please use full names for the stupid idiot that is me

[limber cradle]

Carapace, Unyielding for perks

Uncanny Strike

[hardy canyon]

ah, carapace

[limber cradle]

Riposte for blessings

[hardy canyon]

ty

[limber cradle]

Np

You're not an idiot, you're simply unfamiliar.

[hardy canyon]

I am going to boldly assume the dumpstat is mobility, like always?

I feel like the dumpstat is always mobility

[hardy canyon]

also I did wanna ask
why carapace armor specifically? vs flak

[limber cradle]

Yes

[limber cradle]

Because they don't have issues killing flak armored targets especially with hypercritical

So doing more to crushers is very ideal

[tranquil berry]

Tell you what, full blessings names in exchange for you spelling your name with normal letters instead of the tween attention seeker squiggle font. Win-win!

Also, carapace + unyielding damage for perks, riposte and uncanny strike for blessings

[hardy canyon]

no
they already did
and I like these

[flat mist]

Ok unc

[hardy canyon]

plus my user would literally just be bacon if I did

and that doesnt make me feel cute

and this aint my job

[flat mist]

Keep doing you

[limber cradle]

Yeah

[hardy canyon]

yah, its fun

[flat mist]

That's always the best answer

[limber cradle]

If someone honestly gives a fuck they don't have enough things to worry about

[flat mist]

Always comes off weird to me when someone calls an aesthetic sort of choice attention seeking

What aesthetic choice isn't attention seeking?

Like yeah man I bought this top bc I want to look good

And I don't

[compact oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/bacon-lisa-simpson-breakfast-mmm-gif-12167277277989558185

[astral canyon]

Cheerless little killjoy aint you

[flat mist]

https://outplayed.tv/warhammer-40k-darktide/bKwdWe

Huh

You can proc calling for a time out by hotswapping to a weapon that is partway through a reload

Jank or broken?

[limber cradle]

Ik fs wording isnt the best but

It says "while reloading"

So logically it'd happen at any point during a reload

[flat mist]

Yeah it's not surprising in hindsight, but it's an intriguing interaction

In that video my needle gun is on the last stage of it's reload and I made a macro that swaps to ranged and back to melee

Other than the cognitive load it's an extremely low investment to permanently have 25% extra TDR on a melee build

[hardy canyon]

also god, I love the dual stubs
but I hate spam clicking

[compact oyster]

You can use a mod to make semi automatic weapons fire automatically

[flat mist]

Yeah, Full Auto

It's game changing for weapons like the las pistol

[hardy canyon]

yah, I tried it
but with the dual stubs it forces me to always shoot twice

but it is very nice for other weapons

[exotic temple]

It seems so dumb to have to get a mod for something that should be a feature

[junior dune]

is there any difference between the two Shiv marks besides the heavy attack?

[exotic temple]

Yeah mk3 you have to push attack to get a strike down

For carapace that’s… kinda annoying

[hardy canyon]

new mod idea

[junior dune]

yeah and that's already one of my biggest weaknesses with shiv build...

[junior dune]

what's the difference between the Needle Gun marks?

haven't mastered it enough to do A/B testing

[hardy canyon]

it turns the recon lasgun semiauto

[unique spire]

The special

The blue mode

One makes enemies that die to it explode into poison

[brittle sierra]

I thought that the primary is also different

[unique spire]

The other pushes

[unique spire]

No

Literally the same damage

[idle ore]

One of them has more stacks on crit and weakspot

[junior dune]

ahhh okay

that explains it

[brittle sierra]

Mk6 has higher stacks on crits yeah

[junior dune]

ty

[astral canyon]

Light attack chain is noticeably faster

On the slicing ones

[hardy canyon]

have the mod do nothing else but turn the recon lasgun semi auto
nothing else
cant be turned off like the feature full auto has to only turn some weapons full auto

[astral canyon]

Which is what actually gives it better horde clear not the heavies

[junior dune]

gotcha

think I'll stick with my spirally ones for now

[brittle sierra]

I'm not sure why this is necessary if the recons have like 0 recoil

[hardy canyon]

to force people to click a lot

[junior dune]

diabolical.

evil not seen since they made Slayer in VT2

[hardy canyon]

what tf is that gif

[brittle sierra]

Me dancin

[hardy canyon]

is that like, an actual official clip ro some dumb thing someone made?

[unique spire]

Literally you

Can't believe that

Was that recorded in hell too?