hivescum-class

[keen timber]

Based

I don’t support hating people based on demographics they fall into

But smykers aren’t people

[idle ore]

Smyker acceptable on rotten armor

[zealous ravine]

oh my god

[eager reef]

Unrelated but j actually heard dialog between fem BH and fem judge that was super positive

[keen timber]

Yeah as much as I hate it, smyker on rotten is fine

[tranquil berry]

Doesn't want smykers (pretends he's too good for that crutch) needs help with rotten armor though (the truth revealed)

[exotic temple]

Ogryn is kinda hard to start off with, you have a big hit box and you need to be good at dodging gunners and disablers or life will be pain.

[zealous ravine]

imagine if smite was real

[balmy radish]

is it just me or is uncanny strik on shivs butchered

i run now mostly the mk6 combat blade

[ornate fiber]

shivs have the weaker form of uncanny strike

its still one of its best blessing regardless, since you really want rending for it

[zealous ravine]

40% rending is still crazy

[dim moth]

are they?

they have built in huge stagger, damage resistance, and dodges that will send ragers flying

as well as pushes that stagger things

[ornate fiber]

A lot of low level ogryns will run towards gunners and die, or get trapped/dogged very quickly and very often

[novel oracle]

NO SMYKERS ALLOWED
Buuutttt its rotten armor...... I wouldn't say no to an arbites using smyker discs....... theyre totally different......

[zealous ravine]

smykers get put in the hyperbolic time chamber (shock mines)

[ornate fiber]

You need to understand that, for low level/new players, dodging is optional, and they will result to block first

except, its not vermintide, and blocking kinda suck

[past trench]

I think blocking can be useful, in desperate situations where my brain can not function "normally" I just block instinctively, works like a charm at times

Better train yourself at being able to dodge whilst blocked against a wall

[ornate fiber]

Blocking has its uses, especially against bosses, but you'll want to dodge most stuff anyway.

[novel oracle]

Blocking is super awesomesauce in the moments where it is useful

[rancid coral]

"blocking"

Every streamer new to the game I see, ends up doing the tutorial, to never hold m2 ever again with their melee

The newbie strat is facetanking xdd

[novel oracle]

Like I still see people eat shit cuz they try to dodge every attack from a chaos spawn

They dont understand just how hard blocking the combos of a cspawn just turns him off

Like its hilarious

[ornate fiber]

Those who played Vermintide know you don't even need to block him

[zealous ravine]

blocking is so you can install the chatblock mod alt tab and post a gif on discord safely

[novel oracle]

TRUE

[ornate fiber]

It has the rat ogre AI of "I should try to slam if its close"

[zealous ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-warhammer-40k-grenade-truth-nuke-gif-6248133608324632914

[ornate fiber]

The most important thing about chaos spawn is memorizing its timer for grab

[novel oracle]

This is why I advocate for +3 stam
The truke revealed

[zealous ravine]

new class reveal will just be chatblock coming to base game

[novel oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/gustave-maelle-true-truth-truth-nuke-gif-4485925206111778755

[zealous ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/rain-world-watcher-morgan-freeman-true-let's-have-a-watch-gif-12470968642107771982

[halcyon adder]

i had no idea the crowbar had thrust built in

[drowsy relic]

it's like a baby thrust

we argued about the new mister e video yet

[zealous ravine]

wym mister e's last video was in 2014

[trim wind]

i am for and/or against it, whichever is funnier

(i have not seen it)

[zealous ravine]

all i know is that scriers gaze needs 30 more buffs

[final temple]

just saw parts of it. please advise: which parts make it heresy?

[eager reef]

scum bad bc skill issue

[balmy radish]

shock mines the extracted brains of rouge smykers

[mental igloo]

no thanks I'd rather backpedal to the start of the map mashing back dodge so that stealth zealot can't catch up and literally 1shot them

[main trellis]

Portable smiker

[drowsy relic]

Hive scums placement as worst class in the game probably

[main trellis]

Many things; boi needs a reality check

[woeful hill]

Hyper violence plus every other melee buff

[balmy radish]

had this round though fun with gunslinger with the infantry auto gun mk5 in auric maelstrom

i can't count ammo

i just go brrr

[rough peak]

every other melee buff?

[balmy radish]

beside crushers those get stabbed

[unreal stirrup]

is it consistent

[tight musk]

I don't have trouble blocking and dodging spawn attacks, but I feel like their grab gets me way more often than it should.

[woeful hill]

Not sure

[rough peak]

dodge slide, that's what I do for the grab

[unreal stirrup]

1s on hyperviolence lol

that shit never happening in a real game

[dim moth]

doesn't turn off the knockback which is what gets me killed :/

[dim moth]

yeah the grab is a 270 degree hitbox that hits literally everywhere except for directly behind the chaos spawn and a tiny sliver of space to its left

[rough peak]

So that's why it's so easy to get grabbed

[dim moth]

it also has like

6 or 7 meters of range

so dodging backwards is impractical

[rough peak]

Dodge sliding seems to work almost 100% of the time, for me, for some reason

[zealous ravine]

luffy arms got dam

[rough peak]

[dim moth]

yeah they suck

genuinely find it easier to fight aggroed daemonhosts than chaos spawn

[jolly parrot]

does the toughness regen from stim count towards the enhanced penance or just the replenish part?

[rough peak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1290821541277208638/1291174300002418688/attachment.gif

[junior dune]

what the shit is “viscosity”

[rough peak]

it has to do with the custom stim and how much stuff you are using on it I think

[dim moth]

it's a term detailing how thick a fluid is

think like jelly versus water

[rough peak]

the higher it is the higher the cd, right?

[dim moth]

water is low viscosity

[trim wind]

yes

[dim moth]

jelly is high viscosity

basically he THICK

[trim wind]

that thicc fent takes longer to shoot

[eager reef]

usually in reference to multiple fluids being present

[junior dune]

sorry I know what it means irl

[rough peak]

I've been in zealot chat too long

[zealous ravine]

amount of fent makes the water into sludge

[junior dune]

i read the Help screen like 3 times trying to figure out what it affects

[rough peak]

cd

[trim wind]

makes your stimm cd longer

[junior dune]

huh

okay.

[eager reef]

yeah basically it's jsut base cooldown

[trim wind]

basically adding more nodes

means more cd

[junior dune]

dunno why they couldn’t just call it cooldown

right but it lists those as separate stats

[trim wind]

they want you to imagine how thicc that sludge your shooting up is

[rough peak]

but what if I want dvd?

[eager reef]

https://tenor.com/view/sniper-tf2-professionals-have-standards-drive-gif-15105282

[zealous ravine]

sludge injection

[junior dune]

aight well

thanks for the info

[rough peak]

https://tenor.com/view/spirited-spiritedaway-away-spirit-stink-gif-18761636

[junior dune]

merry emperor-mas

[rough peak]

Cole left us

[zealous ravine]

got hit by a meteor i think

[rough peak]

Probably lol

[rough peak]

Orbital strike straight from god the emperor for using a gun build in havoc

[exotic temple]

Yeah melee stuff is trivialized but disablers are probably 50% harder to dodge.

[cyan siren]

which mark is the good mark for taxe again

vii?

[rough peak]

7 and 2 are the most loved

I've heard more about the 7 than the 2 lately, tho

[charred bronze]

7 and 4 are most loved I think? The only other mark I hear about is 4. I tried the 2 and didn't like it much. 7 is my preference.

Basically, the 7 is better horde clear (great for smashing light and killing everything but crushers. It also has a push attack into heavy swing horde clear combo, but you have zillions of attack speed, might as well use it), the 4 is better single target.

I use the 7, because I like braindead horde clear

[rough peak]

4 is the one with cleaving lights

[charred bronze]

the pattern is awkward, and wif bromentum, hitting lights on the 7 offers all the cleave required. I don't use any cleave talents on my rampage build

heavies on the 4 kill a crusher faster than the heavies on the 7

[rough peak]

pretty sure the crusher combo on the 7 is just light spam

[exotic temple]

I don’t agree with that placement but it’s his video so I’m not gonna lose sleep over it. Vd seems busted to me but he says it doesn’t work. I don’t see it in my games but I’m raw dawging dt so everything is feels based

[charred bronze]

that works too

spamming lights on the 7 kills everything eventually

[eager reef]

https://tenor.com/view/animation-cartoons-toons-bart-simpson-the-simpsons-gif-14827584

[charred bronze]

plus it's the only default skin on a weapon I actually like

[charred bronze]

this is my rampage gameplay in a nutshell

[quiet zodiac]

Happy Holidays to all the Hive Scum!

[charred bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/khorne-berserker-warhammer40k-chaos-party-chainaxe-chaos-space-marine-gif-17882265

[main trellis]

You spam lights on 7 for singles
On 4 you spam heavies
7’s 1st heavy together with push att is for horde clear & management

[ripe seal]

I feel like the mk4 is the best tactical axe overall mostly because its light combo chain doesn't have that weird sorta reset period to that the other one has when you spam it, otherwise I couldn't tell the difference between them outside of mayve the special

[candid flare]

Not using block animation cancel?

[charred bronze]

for any other class, I'd agree with the PA-H on 7, but spam works a treat on scum with the insane attack speed you can have by default.

[ripe seal]

I just treat the tactical axe like a discount knife, I feel like a lesser peak but you can readily use it without as much investment

[main trellis]

More so that 4 has slower att spd thus the delay is not noticable as much like on 7

[charred bronze]

as a bonus, you just happen to mulch any elites that are mixed into the horde. I do like the special on the 4 better though

it's a little less safe to use the 7 on a rager, marginally ime

[main trellis]

Special is all the same across the marks no?

[charred bronze]

like, sometimes the stagger doesn't land

no, 7 special is back of axe, swipe repeat, 4 is back, back, sweep

[ripe seal]

i think melee and even crate build have stuff to make use of the knife but for a desperado build i'd rather use the tax axe, though I feel like something anti armor would be the choice there with the knife potentially deals with better, or just a chain weapon

[charred bronze]

the hammer on the back of the axe is what you get the most stagger from as far as I can tell

[charred bronze]

for despo I use shivs just to help clean up crushers

[ripe seal]

the 4 is like a quick jab forward with the axehead that I think you can spam

[charred bronze]

they're both spammable, the 4 is easier to get consistent controlled stagger with

but that's why the emprah made dodge

[ripe seal]

i don't really get what's different between the knife and shivs besides blessings and special, but I value the knife throw way more than the dinky punch I never use

[charred bronze]

the dinky punch on the knife enables a light overhead followup that does H attack overhead stab damage

[ripe seal]

i forget ifthe tac special can stun rangers/mutants like the special on the default veteran shovel, which I haven't done in a long time but was one of my favorite things to do vefore

[charred bronze]

which is, not coincidentally, why I stopped using the knife. Carpal tunnel weapon

[astral canyon]

Better horde clear on light spam too iirc

[ripe seal]

oh, it has special follow ups to it? I kinda just assumed it was meant to be a quick staminaless stagger

[charred bronze]

it sure can. I've staggered muties out of a charge on a weakspot hit

[bronze glade]

taxe special is really strong

[charred bronze]

apparently you can stagger crushers out of an overhead windup with it if their stagger isn't on cooldown, but I'm not brave enough to do that

[ripe seal]

i've been running the basic ass devil claw to farm easy heavy attacks with the stim for the penance and being able to parry spam ragers is nice, I want more parrry weapons

I'm pretty sure the shovel special could stagger them but I don't know about the axe

[woeful hill]

also taxe special on mk4 is really good for a finisher

since its instant

one sec

got a few clips

[ripe seal]

the special on the mk4 just feels good to tap out

[woeful hill]

my fav clips of the mk4 special

[charred bronze]

oh that's cool

I might give 4 another shot

[ripe seal]

ooo I didn't know there was that quick of an animation cancel, but I know I don't have it in me to do that

i also wouldn't think to do that in general but it is a good follow up for a heavy

[kind mist]

Taxe special has some stupid ten-thousand times stagger multi on weakspot.

[charred bronze]

Tis glorious, heretic

[eager reef]

crowbar feels like an ogryn weapon on a human sized character

nothing i do makes it feel less shit to use

[ripe seal]

it feels very brain off face rolly to me, just press buttons until stuff dies

[bronze glade]

That’s… a really good way to put it

[zealous ravine]

heavy crowbar in abiotic factor is better fr

[ripe seal]

it doesn't have the sluggishness of an ogryn weapon to me, maybe I should try some of the combos fatshark listed, but going into secondary mode just to push attack and swap tp primary mode as part of a combo sounds ridiculous

[eager reef]

the weight it has doesnt add up in terms of overall damage, it's built like it wants you to heavy swing, but the eavy swing is so heavy it feels like an ogryn swing

[ripe seal]

looking at it, it has similar numbers compared to the mk1 shovel on veteran which is one of my favorite weapons so maybe that's why i like it more

they even have sorta similar blessings

[bronze glade]

sorry but shovel, which is mid, is still way better lol

[ripe seal]

the shovel is a fantastic weapon with a bunch going for it and only downside is damage which is a big one to have

[keen timber]

shovel is middy mid imo

id rather run caxe

[limber cradle]

Shovel more fun than CAxe

[dim moth]

oh my emperor the scumgryn meta?

[ripe seal]

they both get defense stats which is always an easy dump stat

[bronze glade]

i wouldn't dump defense on mk1 shovel tho

[keen timber]

yeah but it feels pretty eh

[woeful hill]

@violet roost

yummy

overheads...

[keen timber]

bro got sent to brazil on poxburster airlines

[limber cradle]

Fuckin poxbursters man

[woeful hill]

the zealot hit it

watch his hp

[keen timber]

how did you survive that overhead

[limber cradle]

That makes sense ig

[violet roost]

havoc 40 btw

[woeful hill]

H40 btw

yeah

I feel so waek

[limber cradle]

I'm gonna be honest

When I get a CL40 mf in my games they're normally worse than like, someone in the bracket

[woeful hill]

burster + overhead H40

[limber cradle]

Idk if it's cause they're memeing

[woeful hill]

and I didnt even down

[keen timber]

well u cant demote out of 40 no

[limber cradle]

Correct

[keen timber]

meaning they can do whatever they want with zero repercussions

[limber cradle]

Once you get there you're there

[obsidian crown]

It’s the getting there that’s Spain without the s

[keen timber]

yeah

I mean I think once u start looking at 30+ it all feels pretty similar in difficulty if I'm being honest

[woeful trellis]

and if you reach 40 on one class you're 40 on all classes even if you haven't played those in havoc before

[obsidian crown]

I still have yet to progress since I got back a couple weeks ago with HS release

[woeful hill]

only weekly decay and season reset can lower you from 40

[obsidian crown]

Still at 30

I haven’t decayed

[keen timber]

it lowers you to 30 right

[woeful trellis]

when i was learning how to ogryn in havoc i had to disclaimer a lot in lobbies because i'd only run psyker previously and i didn't want people thinking i knew what i was doing

[obsidian crown]

I think it’s because I haven’t started havoc yet

[woeful hill]

season reset yes

[obsidian crown]

How exactly does decay work

Because I’ve been at 30 since I got back and hasn’t moved

[keen timber]

hmm, oyt or trench fighter for a havoc setup with the double barrel and a combat axe?

[woeful hill]

if you dont attempt a havoc your level or higher for a week it will lower you 1 rank iirc

[obsidian crown]

But is there a cap or something

Because mine’s been 30 for weeks

[woeful trellis]

it lowers your assignment level, not your clearance level (the thing people see when you apply)

[obsidian crown]

I’m aware

[woeful trellis]

your clearance level only resets each season

[charred bronze]

caxe feels so bad on scum. Lots of killing power, but overall it feels so sluggish on a class that normally feels like an f1 car

[obsidian crown]

I’m asking why my assignment rank hasn’t lowered

[woeful trellis]

oh i have no idea lol

[charred bronze]

great output, but man

[woeful hill]

its just the attack speed

its insane

the damage part

[limber cradle]

I think the joy of playing with randoms is that i will eventually become good enough to simply carry havocs

[woeful hill]

my friend was in a similar spot

didnt play for like 2 months

still at 30

[keen timber]

I prefer playing with u and lam tbh, just feels better

[woeful hill]

I think there is a limit how much weekly decay can lower you

[obsidian crown]

Guessing it doesn’t decay until you actually start attempting it then

[keen timber]

and no party finder bullshit

[obsidian crown]

Because mine was 30 from season reset

And I haven’t started yet

Waiting for a friend to be done with exams so we can grind together

Should be done tomorrow

But good timing, rotten armor’s back

[ripe seal]

messing around with the suggested combos for the crowbar, I think H2-L3 chain is the best feeling of all the horde combos, better than light spam and comes out faster than heavy spam. The push attack goes directly into L3 so it be easy to set up

[charred bronze]

I haven't done havocs at all because I don't have enough irl friends who enjoy darktide AND are havoc capable to fill a squad.

I'm scared of pugging it. Just seems like an exercise in misery

[idle ore]

Havoc is most fun with randos

[obsidian crown]

Psyker chat has a few folks who play it everyday and they’re nice

[idle ore]

With people you know are good it’s less exciting

[obsidian crown]

I’m employed

So

Don’t have time to dice roll with randos

[idle ore]

What’s employment got to do with it lol

[obsidian crown]

Time.

[charred bronze]

is my degen despo build havoc capable?
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0ac5d64-961c-4dc0-8adf-1a92378ae240/all-gun-no-brakes-vulturado-scum

or do I need to make tweaks?

[idle ore]

Seems pretty standard

Why no uncanny tho

[charred bronze]

I only use the shiv on crusher heavies, these blessings were suggested for that purpose. I've used uncanny on it previously though

[ornate fiber]

Anyone who picks up preconition on their shivs should use the uptime mod and check their numbers

[charred bronze]

thinking uncanny instead of precog then?

[idle ore]

Uncanny makes shiv good into carapace tho

[obsidian crown]

I prefer jittery over nimble personally

[ornate fiber]

uncanny is much more important

its very easy to stack, yet has a big impact against crushers and maulers

[charred bronze]

cool, I'll update

[ornate fiber]

but, also, why sniper resistance on your curio

[charred bronze]

I found myself so rarely waiting for dodge stacks to come back I moved the point out of jittery into nimble

[ornate fiber]

you are using desperado, which means you are immune vs sniper shots

[obsidian crown]

I just don’t like having reliance on nimble personally lol

Bad habits

[idle ore]

Sniper resist is like one of the least useful perks imo

You get value from it once every like 5 games

[charred bronze]

mostly for instant shot snipers when despo is down. I try to tune my curios to make up for deficiencies of attention and game jank. And despo uptime is very high on the build, but not 100%

I'm open to trying something else

[ornate fiber]

snipers shouldnt be an issue at all, even with despo down

you have good mobility

[charred bronze]

what do you suggest in that slot instead?

[obsidian crown]

Yeah you definitely don’t need sniper res

[ornate fiber]

more toughness, or ally help, or stamina regen

[woeful hill]

bomber could be consideredd since it also affects their bomb damage

[charred bronze]

Honestly, 2x gunner 1x Sniper is just what I've always put on curios, plus whatever else

I have 2x bomber already. 3x is worth?

[ornate fiber]

again, gunners are an non issue on a desperado build

thats a lot of curio's spots you could use to get benefits elsewhere

[obsidian crown]

Especially since you have vulture’s dodge

[ornate fiber]

Get more toughness or health, quicker stamina regen (you'll be running a lot), faster ally help

[charred bronze]

I use the same curios on my Rampage build, alas, so I'd prefer to keep it until I get more

but I can swap it for havoc days when I finally go in

[ornate fiber]

even in general, I'd not run them in a melee build for scum

if you are in the middle of gunners, they cannot shoot you the majority of time

[woeful hill]

until they revert the dodge linger

since they broke it

[ornate fiber]

they wont revert it, but they'll definitely tweak it

[woeful hill]

who knows, we just have to wait and see

[ornate fiber]

they went overboard and admitted it

[woeful hill]

changes the fundementals of dodging, goes on break

guh

https://tenor.com/view/shaking-cat-shaking-cat-alien-cat-gif-17719290639671130907

[limber cradle]

Didnt they change it based off nimble being "broken"

And people mass reporting that

Without realizing what it was actually doing

[ornate fiber]

I think they simply forgot the interaction between ranged attacks and lingering dodge effects

[charred bronze]

okay cool, appreciate the advice all

[woeful hill]

thats what people have been saying

I have no more info than that

[limber cradle]

Alright so I'm just perpetuating misinfo

Ignore me

[dim moth]

there should be keystones on the cartel stimm tree at the end of each pathway that give you a cooler effect than just a stat bonus when you use your stim

[loud herald]

question for yall, does higher power on curios actually do anything

[dim moth]

yes it affects the stat percentage of toughness/stamina/health

[loud herald]

shiet, fair

[dim moth]

up to 17% toughness at 430, 21% health also at 430, and +3 stamina at 410

[loud herald]

so technically my 390 16% stam curio is worse than my 400 16% stam curio

ehrm

[bronze glade]

that doesn't matter

[loud herald]

toughness

not stam

sorry

[dim moth]

doesn't affect substats

[loud herald]

yeah sorry I meant the actual blessing on it

so like 390 16% toughness is worse than 400 16% toughness

[bronze glade]

that doesn't matter

the only time i look at the power rating is for stam curios

[loud herald]

oh okay

[bronze glade]

because 400 power +3 stam curios are a lie

[loud herald]

odd question cause I believe you on the stam curios but how did yall figure out it was a lie

[bronze glade]

idk prob people noticing in a live match that it wasn't working

[woeful hill]

load into mission

its +2

[bronze glade]

it's been a known problem for a very long time

[loud herald]

yeesh

gotcha

[tight musk]

I only have one 410 power +3 stamina curio so far on scum, the rest are all +2 stamina.

[charred bronze]

took me forever to find a 410+ +3. Adding insult to injury, I saw like . . 4 400 +3s

then I got the other two over the next day and half

[foggy phoenix]

Is it normal for stimm supply to also put your cartel stimm on CD?

[tight musk]

Yes. It uses whatever stimm you have, whether cartel special or regular collected stimm and gives the buff to everyone in the area.

[charred bronze]

y'know, that ability could be fun with non cartel stimms, since there's the node that makes it go off cooldown whenever you pick up a stimm. Has anyone tried that?

(I mean, given it a serious go. obv someone has tried it)

[tight musk]

I mean, you could do something funny like heal the entire team with a single green stimm, but I feel it's better to have an infinite supply of stimms on a cooldown than having to find and collect them. But idk, I haven't tried it.

[charred bronze]

yeah, just seems like it could do some fun stuff. The problem being map design. A lot of the times when you could get 2 or more uses out of the crate, there won't be stimm pick ups available in event rooms

[brittle sierra]

A cure for gamers 😭😭😭

[candid flare]

Jfc

[fast wind]

when games npcs already have autonomous movement in place this is trying to reinvent the wheel as a square

[zealous ravine]

nvidia trying to remake the tf2 bot crisis lmao

[brittle sierra]

Hopefully this is fake news

But I can't wait to have the AI play games for me so I have more time for other things 👍

[final temple]

It’s time fucking Big E enforces the ban on abominable intelligence. Butlerian Jihad the shit outta those companies.

[zealous ravine]

finally i can have more time to leave society and go eat random mushrooms in the woods

[warped mauve]

I haven't played in a few months. How hard are Hive Scum compared to other classes?

[zealous ravine]

squishier than all others but quite mobile

[final temple]

depends on how hard you can trigger that dodge button.

[eager reef]

most build craft friendly imo

[final temple]

I find scum easier to play than any other class besides the two tanks.

[warped mauve]

Thank you, appreciate it 🙂

[brittle sierra]

Hardest class in the game if you are dogshit

[zealous ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/fiber-optic-friday-eat-the-optic-cable-cable-shark-fibre-shark-gif-25548843

[fast wind]

infinite ammo immune to ranged attacks is one of their abilities

they can be a lot of fun if you want to just blaze bullets

[junior dune]

hivecum

[final temple]

bold.

[round path]

What’s a fun build to use on hivescum, just leveled it up last night don’t know what build to run

[brittle sierra]

Oh meme enemmememee

[round path]

?

[final temple]

Personally I am partial to the scummiest of hivescum builds. the plague doctor.

[brittle sierra]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a077d553-91e8-46ba-98db-89673f567985/porfessional-fent-dealer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[round path]

Fent dealer lol

[final temple]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0913388-5db1-4634-968a-a6d169e06f1e/a-huff-a-day-keeps-the-heretic-at-bay

[final temple]

lol. basically the same concept.

[zealous ravine]

i keep thinking of barotrauma fent every time

[little laurel]

What perks and blessing is good for the Tac Axe?

[brittle sierra]

Tale as old as time 🧍🏻‍♀️

[little laurel]

It...feels nice, but the blessings on it confuse me, headtaker is nice looking

but everythign else, is wierd

[brittle sierra]

Generally it is Headtaker and Brutal Momentum

For perks I take cara/unarmored

[zenith fern]

theres better thing and is totally free
Watch playthroughs on Youtube

[little laurel]

what mark?

[zealous ravine]

i saw headtaker brutal momentum and instantly locked into that forever

[brittle sierra]

All marks are fine but mk7 had the best moveset

[little laurel]

why is brutal so good?

[zealous ravine]

u hit mor enemies

[little laurel]

it says kills ignore, is that a buff?

or what

[zealous ravine]

yeah it basically just lets you cleave through more stuff on kill

[little laurel]

OH

[zealous ravine]

and do full dmg with each of those hits too i believe

[brittle sierra]

It quadruples your cleave

Well not really

[zealous ravine]

it also gives a little extra dmg i guess

[brittle sierra]

It doesn't effect your cleave stat

[little laurel]

why not shred?

[brittle sierra]

But it in practice makes you have significantly more horde damage

[zealous ravine]

shred is also good but bromentum is just like s tier

[brittle sierra]

You can take it instead of HT

But BM is hard to remove

However Shred is inconsistent, and what Tac wants more is raw damage to oneshot lower health enemies

[trim wind]

On kill your swing carries through and does full dmg, can kill up to 3 more targets past the first

[brittle sierra]

HT is up basically all the time

[candid flare]

Time to QP Auric with my Crowbar/Rampage build made entirely off of vibes bc life is pain

[zealous ravine]

hive scum is all about stacking every single damage source and getting like 20 stamina

[brittle sierra]

So Psyker

[zealous ravine]

well psy doesnt really need much stamina

[little laurel]

All the attacks for the tac axe seems to be huge overheads...its so hard to get multiple hits for cleave with BM

[brittle sierra]

No?

[zealous ravine]

the push is prolly a cleave

[brittle sierra]

Mk7 push attack is a horizontal

[little laurel]

I am using MK7

and the push is the only thing

[brittle sierra]

Then you follow it up with a heavy

Then repeat

[little laurel]

OH!

I did not know about the heave after push

[brittle sierra]

If you want one that is easier to execute

Mk4 is lights

Mk2 is heavies

Mk2 is also a horizontal on push attack

[little laurel]

I tried the mk4, however the lights still seem pretty overhead ish

[brittle sierra]

The reason why mk7 is the best moveset is because you can select between the push attacks if you want to single or multi attack on the heavies or lights

After the first heavy you can immediately do an overhead heavy or reset the wave clear combo by pushing again

[zealous ravine]

i tried to dmg max my tree to a meme level but it has a grand difference of swapping 2 talents

[charred bronze]

that has to be a meme, right?

[brittle sierra]

I hope so, because I can't see anything on the Nvidia website

But I can see it tbh

It's only a matter of time 😔

[charred bronze]

on the other hand, nvidia is all about supporting 'industry' over consumers these days. Maybe that's for the bot farms

[zenith fern]

Anything that pirate nation posts is never a meme lmao

Bro does for profit and be a grifter smh

[brittle sierra]

Wait is that Pirate Software? 💀

[zenith fern]

Two different people

[charred bronze]

I meant meme as 'not serious or real'

[zenith fern]

But Pirate Nation is not any better

[brittle sierra]

I can't handle another Blizzard "employee" please God

[zenith fern]

Nation is just a massively open grifter and incest

[torn ember]

https://tenor.com/view/frodo-baggins-its-over-its-done-lotr-gif-12920799

By far the worst part of starting any new character is waiting for the Curios to show up

[zenith fern]

[charred bronze]

I was a blizz employee, public facing too

[zenith fern]

Why wait? Not spend gambling on melk?

[torn ember]

I did

I spent like 10k ordos

[charred bronze]

not since the 2019 activision slash & burn layoff though

after mike retired

[torn ember]

The only +3 Stamina Curio melk gave me was a 400 🙁

[charred bronze]

never knew pirate software personally though.

[eager reef]

https://tenor.com/view/green-explosion-skaven-gif-9272053709133071409

[fast wind]

wonder if some day we'll see some sorta chem flamer for hive scum

though this is like asking for the maulers chainaxe, since the enemy already use one

[tight musk]

Water gun 40k filled with deadly hive sludge.

[eager reef]

please this would be so fun

inb4 desperado builds with infinite fire

[zealous ravine]

TOO SCARY TOO SCARY

[fast wind]

pee supersoaker, thats essentially what the needle gun is

[eager reef]

muh frames

[fast wind]

flamethrower would work better on hivescum than it would zealot

[zealous ravine]

mayb like a goop launcher like the sludge cannon in deep rock

[eager reef]

that wont stop me auto mod

[fast wind]

the dreg toxflamer already has essentially a tox spray

[zealous ravine]

i'd want a type of flamer that sets the ground on fire if we were to get one

like corus staff in vt2

[eager reef]

oh now there is an idea

less of a CC and more of a zoning tool

sweep the floor kinda deal

[fast wind]

sprays that stuff the chem grenade makes

I like when flamethrowers are a mix of cc and zoning in games

[main wagon]

Happy Chrimmas, Scum

[fast wind]

hive scum opens up a lot of potential weapons if the inquisition becomes desperate enough

[main wagon]

Shivs (Improvised) gives me hope

I think both DAP and stub pistols are Branx aren’t they?

Which is hilarious to think they’re simultaneously making Ogryn pickaxes and tiny human uzis

[fast wind]

it's fun to think about what comes out of some worlds in a dark heresy game I ran I had a world making lasguns and frag grenades that the party had to investigate because a guard got handed a boot instead of a lasgun in a weapon shipment, a big part of the adventure was looking for the matching boot

[brittle sierra]

Merry Christmas chat

[zenith pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-penis-mr-penis-cat-gif-6866592718592461157

[low harbor]

U don’t gotta ping me for this

[brittle sierra]

Yes I do, Rashad slander cannot go unpunished

[low harbor]

Nah

It’s whatever

I’m not obliged to correct people

[brittle sierra]

The lion does not concern????

[brittle sierra]

Mr?

Mrs?

Themr

[floral galleon]

Uzis are outclassed by most other things hivescum has access to, remember that!

Twuzis vs rotten armor blight on oubliette.

[brittle sierra]

Wait who said that?

[floral galleon]

Tanny boy

[brittle sierra]

Well I agree if the comparison was Vraks 5

What else did he say?

[floral galleon]

They are very competetive with eachother true

[brittle sierra]

No Vraks is by far better

[north crow]

vraks has superior blessings

[floral galleon]

I've used both, also my record for sniper kill is a confirmed 75m on carnival

Twuzis also just feel good when you use run and gun

[compact valley]

ok ok whats objectively the BEST melee weapon

by stats and practicaliy

[floral galleon]

For hivescum? Depends

[main trellis]

the one you use well in a build

[compact valley]

rampage build

[dim moth]

combat axe

[rough peak]

the person who does 1.1m damage with the mk1 dclaw:

[floral galleon]

I mean yeah when you pull it off it #feelsgood

[brittle sierra]

By far is Rashad

[compact valley]

nah i mean for like havoc 40s

[main trellis]

more my friend

[brittle sierra]

Still Rashad

[floral galleon]

His dclaw build is a mood

[compact valley]

what blessings and why ?

trying to build into something stronger

[main trellis]

i used both Dclaw & Rashad; it depends what you build with them; not the weapons themselves
especially cause i can deal 1k+ dmg with dclaw to carapace

[brittle sierra]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a07a0cea-46de-4afb-ba97-8ed478d8603e/professional-crack-dealer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[compact valley]

well im using shivs but what blessings for rashad cause i cant stomach dclaw

[north crow]

rashad feels complete ass without rampage up

[brittle sierra]

BM HT

[mighty belfry]

rashad is best rampage weapon but i wouldn't say it's the best melee weapon for scum in general

[compact valley]

okay so im using rampage chemical dependency, thats why im asking cause something feels off. But if im running rampage do i need to drop chem dependency and build to the middle ?

[mighty belfry]

it really depends on what you're running and what complements that the best

[rough peak]

bacon melt, half tree

[brittle sierra]

Yes exactly

[north crow]

you dont really care for crits with rashad

[compact valley]

so okay then run adrenaline with my shivs until i get a good axe ? Trying to find consistency for a melee focused build

[mighty belfry]

adrenaline can also work with rashad tbh

but shivs also work as well

[north crow]

shivs is rampage chem dep

rashad is rampage frenzy

[mighty belfry]

inversely i've been running shiv with supply and adrenaline

nawt bade

[north crow]

supply frenzy is fine yea

I only do supply on blight tho

you really feel the loss of rampage meleeing

and just do the ghetto chem nade 15s supply build

[brittle sierra]

Max CDR build

Let's get those bombs out 😈

[north crow]

100% uptime on corruption rez makes blight a non-issue

[brittle sierra]

No stimms

[north crow]

you do lose dmg for it tho 🙁

[brittle sierra]

Fuck the stimms just get crate after crate after crate

[halcyon apex]

I'd be surprised if scum doesn't end up with needle rifle and a chem thrower, I'm surprsied they don't have them already, but then again this is fatshark we are talking about.

[brittle sierra]

Not sure if I should just do low CDR for blight

[tulip magnet]

Had a scum spamming "I need ammo" all mission

[fast wind]

heres hoping dlc classes get to benefit from new weapons like other classes have

[tulip magnet]

Bro, you're playing the class with infinite ammo!

[brittle sierra]

Did he need ammo?

[fast wind]

was he desperado scum?

[heavy patio]

for the stimmed penance, is there any like specific things required to do or just remember to keep stimming throughout the mission to keep all 3 stacks?

[keen timber]

psword mogs

[brittle sierra]

Inject yourself off cooldown

[slender nexus]

The only class i played before hive was psyker, how do you fight bulwarks without blitz, when they're in a horde they feel hard to dmg and i never learnt to fight them

[brittle sierra]

Ok so

You have been spoiled by Psyker

I understand it's hard to understand

But there is something in this game called: "horde management"

And you actually need to get close to kill big targets

[tranquil berry]

Move close and hug the shield to bait their swing, then back up or dodge left and bonk-em once their swing is on the downwards part

[heavy patio]

would you say the blue low-hive rebreather or the black one represent the BEST gang (The Show) better

[mighty belfry]

Gotta try and trick their AI for an opening. Or outmanuever. Or choose options that can get around their shield.

[fast wind]

dont take the perk that makes it 4 stacks

[heavy patio]

the black one has fancy gold and yellow marks but the blue one has KILL KILL KILL scrawled across it

[brittle sierra]

Hello buff kitty

[tranquil berry]

Alternatively, take the rocket, use it to shoot the ground next to them when they spawn in packs

[tulip magnet]

Black is checker pattern which is one of the other gang's things, isn't it?

[mighty belfry]

also, quite bold to choose the two of the hardest classes to start with as your starter classes lol

[urban gull]

Nurgle's strongest rager horde vs slightly stoned hobo

[heavy patio]

okay i kind of forgot are the tread lightlies yellow CHECKERS or yellow STRIPES

actually i can just check lol

[mighty belfry]

stripes me thinks

[heavy patio]

yeah they are stripes

okay difficult choice with the mask then..

[slender nexus]

idk dueling sword flame psyker felt v easy, and las pistol assail was even easier

[tulip magnet]

Red checkers are train bois tho, i think

[slender nexus]

Invis elf dual daggers in vermintide 2 was hard for me

[mighty belfry]

i suppose this changes if you actually have some experience with tide games

[brittle sierra]

Oh no it's worse than I thought 😭

[mighty belfry]

but uh

yeah you've been kinda spoiled

[brittle sierra]

Bro hasn't played the game

[heavy patio]

hmm which one better fits a The Show ganger

[tulip magnet]

Borderlands psycho mask

[rotund agate]

I swapped from the train bois club to the factory bois club, just because the latter's black-and-yellow stripes combo better with more cosmetics...

[urban gull]

I put the regular mask on my girlfailure powerlesbian

[slender nexus]

yeah i know ive been using weapons with two blessings as well, i should have been using grey weapons

[heavy patio]

POX HOUND !!

[brittle sierra]

No that's not what I meant 💀

[slender nexus]

You shouldn't use the strongest equipment really

[brittle sierra]

Flame Psyker is like

If you want to lower the difficulty of the game by 2 levels

[mighty belfry]

nah for real flame psyker kinda allows you to just break the game's fundamentals

[tulip magnet]

ngl, I find high difficulties easier with scum easier than flame psyker 😭

[mighty belfry]

it's not about it being the best

[heavy patio]

im thinking the yellow one goes better with my angry short queen's hair because of colour theory nonsense

[urban gull]

I think you should just coinflip cuz none of the masks fit Show

[slender nexus]

i think skriers gaze destiny breaks the game more so but idk im not very good

[urban gull]

Two Tread Lighties and one Iron Jaywalkers or some shit

No blue or puke-green in sight

[slender nexus]

psyker does a lot of melee dmg for almost free it felt like

[mighty belfry]

but it's still melee

flame staff ignores cleave mechanics entirely

[rotund agate]

I'd say the steel Reaper mask fits, because its got both gold-ish colour of metal on the rebreather-looking bits and the green cloth...

[heavy patio]

actually i just realised that The Show stuff ALSO have yellow checkers lol

[mighty belfry]

and allows you to bypass things you normally wouldn't with other setups

[heavy patio]

i dont think the reaper mask looks all that great on my character specifically

[urban gull]

Triangles vs squares, not the same. Its what makes us better than tread lighties

[mighty belfry]

that being said, inferno psyker's effectiveness is also tied to the enemy density you're dealing with

[slender nexus]

yeah isn't there a node that gives you 100% cleave at 100% peril which with skriers is all the time

[charred bronze]

Lol, whoever said that literally doesn't understand this game and shouldn't talk about it. Do they also think the needler is trash?

[slender nexus]

it felt really strong

[idle ore]

Try EP smite next 🙂 fun build that everyone appreciates

[mighty belfry]

ye, but it doesn't let you ignore it entirely still

[floral galleon]

Tanner has been on a streak of L takes so yeah

[mighty belfry]

unless

flame staff

[rotund agate]

yeah, I'd just go with any of the black-and-yellow stripes/checkers masks, because The Show does use the same colours on the triangle-y parts...

[slender nexus]

yeah ive played the stun lock build it wasn't fun and my abrities already had it covered

[heavy patio]

i might go with this one because again i think the yellow pairs well with the purple hair because Colour Theory Nonsense

[rotund agate]

this one matches the Cartel Proud upper body of The Show, so I'd use this mask regardless of Colour Theory...

[heavy patio]

tnks

this

isnt gang specific right?

just generic

[rotund agate]

no, iirc. its just generic afaik...

[heavy patio]

oh also this one has cool gold on it

we love gold...

[hearty mango]

People are sleeping on the pit fighter rebreather

[dim moth]

I'd say for blight you want to adhere to normal stimm cooldowns so 51 seconds and shorter

for crate uptime

[north crow]

I ahve 15s stimms

and just spam it for the 7 stacks

without the stacks, I'd prolly just do the fulldef 45s one

[compact valley]

is hive city brawler a decent talent or meh ?

[north crow]

a must have

[compact valley]

this is that shiv build i was talking to you about earlier for the bottom part, trying to get another node in the keystone

[heavy patio]

is needle pistol good?

[final temple]

HC and HV together is counterproductive. which ability do you run? rampage. then HV is superior on its own.

[heavy patio]

im wondering about how efficient a single precision shot with no piercing would be in a horde game

[compact valley]

I use rampage but I have noticed in testing that both will allow a double dip

[bronze glade]

yes

[mighty belfry]

very

[final temple]

it’s the most ammo efficient weapon scum has

[bronze glade]

the "counter-synergy" really isn't even that bad

and both are very powerful talents

[mighty belfry]

it's really not that bad

[final temple]

it’s a straight up waste.

[bronze glade]

nah

[mighty belfry]

there's actual synergy to it tbh

it's just a one sided synergy

Hyperviolence can feed into hypercrit but not the other way around.

[final temple]

there is no synergy. HV helps you oneshot stuff already. As does HC.

[mighty belfry]

It's way more noticeable in something like

Havoc

Because of the higher health pools

[final temple]

you overshoot any breakpoints with HV by a mile already. so HC does nothing but break the HV ramp

[compact valley]

my use case for both is in havoc 35+

otherwise i spec out

but they do work together

[mighty belfry]

because hyperviolence alone can still falter on getting one shots just because the hordes get so hp packed

[final temple]

just run HV and see that HC on your build doesn’t increase kill speed. and vice versa.

[mighty belfry]

hypercrit is an insurance plan for that

[mighty belfry]

i have done exactly that

it's actually more consistent for horde clear

where it does cause issues, is with bigger targets

because the hypercrit won't allow you to get the overkill to draw over to them

[final temple]

neither HV nor HC will oneshot ogryns or bosses anyways.

[compact valley]

I use a shiv build at like 95% crit rate, either way im winning or i roll it into a omegalul stab. Ive two shot bosses

[mighty belfry]

the sky is blue

that's not the point!

in really, really dense hordes like you can get in high havoc, there's justification for having both because it does actually help quite a bit

[final temple]

the point is that you devalue your point investment with both because either does 95% of the work and you want an insurance for 5% where another hit would suffice.

it’s your points. but I say it’s a waste

[mighty belfry]

i say it depends

i don't run it

but i have run it

and i see the logic as to why one would do it

[compact valley]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0ae5081-439d-4273-8b39-e36fd8daab40/abd is what im running but for context Ive seen both videos and personally found it to be working smoother

[brittle sierra]

Yeah but the question is if I should out on CDR node just to increase the uptime of the crates themselves

[mighty belfry]

really

[final temple]

I’ve run both too and HC is far more noticeable than HV exploding. to the point that I now run HC when I run shivs.

[mighty belfry]

i think having either or for CDR or uptime for crate works

cant go wrong with CDR anyway since stimm supply is still bugged lol

[brittle sierra]

No I mean CDR stimms

[mighty belfry]

Yeah. That's what I mean

Either way, you're still getting good uptime.

Both options are fine.

There may be a point in time where this changes but, for now, it's a pick your poison situation

[lapis raft]

im doing 100% viscosity with cdr and str, works fine for crate uptime

[keen timber]

depends

havoc or auric?

because in havoc imo u want a 15 sec stim

for blight

[final temple]

with chem dep you still get like a fully buffed crate every other cooldown.

[lapis raft]

both havoc and auric, i have 80% uptime with it

15 sec stim is complete overkill with crate

[limber cradle]

I think if you're running crate for blight spreads it's worth using a lower CD stimm

[dim moth]

I get 75% with atk speed and str :)

I be blendin' stuf

[final temple]

personally I like all my crates be fully buffed so I only take one branch for a reliable ~30s cooldown with sample collector

[lapis raft]

all the crates are fully buffed because of the bug

[low harbor]

Is crate still bugged to apply stim effect when your stim is on recharge?

[lapis raft]

yes

[mighty belfry]

Yes.

[final temple]

yeah. But I am not calculating with a bug 😉

[low harbor]

Cuz it doesn’t work like that in meat grinder last I checked

[mighty belfry]

That's probably not going away at least until late January lol

[lapis raft]

only reason why 100% viscosity crate works

[low harbor]

Is that a live game only feature

[mighty belfry]

It's 100% working still

It's probably live game

[lapis raft]

no, it works in meat grinder too

[mighty belfry]

Wait no

Someone posted a thumb here of them doing it in psykanium as well

[low harbor]

Nah I checked in meat grinder, popping stim then using crate didn’t make damage higher

Crit chance also didn’t go higher

[lapis raft]

walk in and out of circle

well out and then back in

[final temple]

yeah iirc it gets falsely applied when you enter crate range

[mighty belfry]

yeah it's basically a false check

[low harbor]

Wack

[mighty belfry]

It's honestly why I don't like doing it

[final temple]

same bug to hyperstack stimm effects

[mighty belfry]

It's really awkward

And sometimes

[brittle sierra]

The bug is when you pop a crate and then get the stimm cooldown off you get the buff

[mighty belfry]

You'll move out of the crate when you put it down, so you have to move in, out, and then back in again

because the AoE is smoll

[lapis raft]

i got used to it mostly but yea sometimes i forget :d

[brittle sierra]

So yeah there isn't much of a reason to get the ability CDR unless you are going blight

[final temple]

crate could use another meter or two in radius. especially for the trap

[mighty belfry]

It's like a quicktime event lol

[lapis raft]

that is not the bug no

[north crow]

@low harbor dude you've finished it, insane job

[lapis raft]

stimm can be on cooldown the whole time and you get the buff regardless

[brittle sierra]

No

[lapis raft]

yes

[brittle sierra]

If the stimm is on cooldown you don't get the buffs from the crate of your stimm

[mighty belfry]

it's bugged

[lapis raft]

you will

[mighty belfry]

we've mentioned this just a few messages above

[low harbor]

Yea I practiced grinded the entire thing out in a week

[brittle sierra]

Didn't bath just tested it?

[final temple]

you shouldn’t. the bug is: if you reenter the radius you WILL get the full effect. not just baseline crate

[brittle sierra]

I also tested it

[lapis raft]

i tested it multiple times, you need to reenter the radius

[north crow]

fucking impressive man

[low harbor]

I’ll test it later

[north crow]

pretty much the only guide you'll ever need for this game

[brittle sierra]

Wait so you need to exit then go back into it?

[lapis raft]

yes

[mighty belfry]

yes

[fast surge]

And it stacks too btw

[mighty belfry]

here's the best way to test it

[brittle sierra]

Wait so the build is now CDR and stamina

[mighty belfry]

run attack speed

because you'll 100% notice it happening

[lapis raft]

or crit

and run mod that shows crit

i just recorded it sec

[north crow]

or just stop being a soft ass pussy and run rampage like a real man!

[mighty belfry]

or i can run full strength stimm and do that while also being a crippling drug addict

[north crow]

by exploiting

[mighty belfry]

exploiting what?

[lapis raft]

well the wording says it should work like that always, soo

[low harbor]

U can technically not exploit it

Just don’t pop stim before u drop crate

[north crow]

stacking with itself is most definitely not intended

[lapis raft]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmD_z3IzuLg

anyway

pretty clear

[mighty belfry]

cuz i never mentioned anything about exploiting the bug for that

i just run the stimms as is and let sample collector do its thing

[north crow]

fair enough

just hate quicktime events

SM2 is the other way!

[lapis raft]

i just spam F the whole game works well enough

[north crow]

oh right, that shit still cancels half the time too

[mighty belfry]

it cancels when you get stunned

it's quite annoying

[north crow]

pretty sure I self cancel half the time

running a 15s CD one for spamming the 7 stacks on blight

[lavish parrot]

I heard 100% crit chance is possible on scum

What kind of power is this

[woeful hill]

Chem dependency. aura. butterfly. shiv. stim

[lavish parrot]

Holy shit

[ripe seal]

20% from dependancy, 5% from aura, 10% from stimm, 5% from node, 20% from dodge, and 10% from base crit chance

[final temple]

12.5 from weapon (shiv/knife)

[ripe seal]

I think your best possible crit chance from a weapon is the tactical axe with the crit buff on chain hits?

[lavish parrot]

What about the riposte on shivs?

Doesn't that one give extra 20% for dodging?

[final temple]

yeah.

[lavish parrot]

Ok I know what I have to do now

[final temple]

you end up doing more damage with precog once your crit chance is high enough tho

[ripe seal]

I don't know the base crit ch ance on the shivs but I know the knife is about 15% base crit and I forgot about the crit chance on dodge blessing as well

which means it s hould have a higher c hance than the tactical axe

[compact valley]

shiv is same as kife

knife

[ripe seal]

and that's without outside help, zealot, psyker, and I think gunogryn can help boost it, so you don't even need to be fully optimal

[final temple]

10 class + 12.5 shiv + 20 butterfly talent + 5 aura + 5 node + 20 chem dep alone puts you at 72.5. from there taking precog on shiv and finesse on stimm nets you the most damage per crit (and overtakes what 100% crit would net you)

[lapis raft]

shiv is like 12.5 or something vs knife 15

[ripe seal]

you could swap dependency for vulture and lose 5 crit that's only for ranged and harder to stack, but you get vulture dodge and the potential to roll the dice of procing the crit crazy fast with hte right gun

oh, also not ocunting the 5% crit chance from perk for what that's worth

[lapis raft]

i think i have like 90% crit on knife atm and 87.5 on shivs, and i dropped float like butterfly

[zenith fern]

Whats the most ideal blessings for needlers? I know that the blessings choice suck ass but I been using gloryhunter and run and gun

[lapis raft]

run n gun and stripped down

i dont think gloryhunter even works

[woeful hill]

crit blessings

and a utility one if you want

[final temple]

being immune to ranged damage when sprinting and being able to shoot when sprinting makes you an absolute menace to decimate gunner back lines with the needler

[zenith fern]

how does desperado work for needler though?

[woeful hill]

applies x2 the tox

[zenith fern]

Oooh

[woeful hill]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1444017590748975125/1451035789776523264/image.png?ex=694e9923&is=694d47a3&hm=f4f7e1033621350b449c2c9549fbd42ba0963d5c7541b00c3a9245b700d75ec6&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

read

*+2

[zenith fern]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/807809192537882647/1198327762964988055/image0-2-1.gif

Sounds like I am swapping gloryhunter for it

[woeful hill]

and since ranged enemies are jokes rn

you dont really need a utility one

[thorny ginkgo]

deathspitter or fire frenzy?

[woeful hill]

why not both?

uhh

idk if death gives it enough cleave

it probably helps with mixed horde clear

while fire helps with more single target damage

[thorny ginkgo]

kk

i'll run fire and dumdum

[jaunty sail]

I KNOW I KNOW

OPENFAAAAIREEEE

[ripe seal]

Is 6% strength not strictly better than 6% damage?

[zenith fern]

increases both, cleave, impact and damage

[woeful hill]

strenght would be better in that context

but thats not the comparistion rn. Fire stacks higher % with more amount of stacks

32.5% power or 50% damage

*at max stacks

[ripe seal]

I also keep thinking death splitter doesn’t stack based on how it’s written

The only thing from power I would be looking at is cleave; I don’t know if 32.5% extra cleave makes a difference

[thorny ginkgo]

you guys think dumdum is better with fire over death spitter?

[woeful hill]

yes

dumdum always

[ripe seal]

Dumdum stacking without kills I think makes it a lock

[thorny ginkgo]

i think fire runs better with dumdum over death

[woeful hill]

you get nearly instant stacks

when you start firing

[zenith fern]

I like going fire frenzy with speedloader

It is funny just insta reload in a second

[thorny ginkgo]

i forgot vrak iag has speedloader

[ripe seal]

I was thinking of suggesting speedloader mostly because I always hate reload times and as nice as the speedloader talent is, you do feel the lack of reload options compared to vet

[woeful hill]

I stand corrected over Choosing Fire Frenzy over Deathspitter

Dumdum always but Deathspitter/Speedload

[thorny ginkgo]

makes sense

[ripe seal]

Does splitter hit any breakpoints because of the power?

[thorny ginkgo]

idk if the rpg or chem grenades help more

i've been using rpg and it helps a lot

[ripe seal]

There’s an appeal to both, delaying bit clusters of armor or heavies is nice, but being able to play defensively or keep going on the offensive and stacking damage is nice, but I think you’d probably want rockets unless you do some investment near the bottom right

[thorny ginkgo]

ah ok thank you

[zenith fern]

Does the repeated hit mean on single enemy or hit any targets without miss

[thorny ginkgo]

i think constant hits in general

[ripe seal]

I assume without miss but with a grace period so as you can spray into a horde and have the bonus carry over on different enemies

[woeful hill]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3293278399&searchtext=ranged

seems to be just hitting things

doesnt need to be same target

"Consecutive ranged attacks and pushes (Laspistol melee special action) against enemies grant stacks (up to 5); generates first stack on second hit or push; stacks last 2s and can be refreshed during active duration. Per stack, increases the damage (see values below) of ranged attacks and DoTs while the weapon is wielded against targets who are within 30m (see table); stacks additively with other damage buffs, and multiplicatively with power level buffs."

[lavish forge]

what do my fellow ripperdocs like to run on their stim supply cache to share with the team

[compact valley]

damage and attack speed

[ripe seal]

Attack speed with reload/recoil node though I’m starting to like the move speed node more, and then strength with crit chance

[thorny ginkgo]

desperado scum might be the strongest build in the game rn

[fast surge]

Definitely up there because of how easy to play it is

[thorny ginkgo]

and it's a cakewalk at that lmao

i can only think of inferno psyker but it's so boring

[ripe seal]

I feel like defense stim isn’t worth it even with the crate to make it more team focused and as nice as cooldown reduction could be much more for just my teammates than myself when speed and strength is good for both

The scum builds that benefit from cooldown reduction either requires building weirdly or dedicating extra points to make use of it

[thorny ginkgo]

ever since i used vraks iag i haven't touched autopistols, so much fun

[ripe seal]

The vraks is good but I ended up missing the built in sprint and shoot too much

[thorny ginkgo]

i gotta try that, thats run and gun blessing right i dont remember

[lavish forge]

is the purple stuff on the bonesaw supposed to be anything

[limber cradle]

It's why I can't stand the vraks tbh

[thorny ginkgo]

uhh i think it applies brittleness, best to use it on crushers and etc

[lavish forge]

ik but like why it burble

[ripe seal]

The vraks is my go to exec stance weapon but I think vet benefits from it more

And on everyone else I sorta like building for anti special more with stuff like the wuickdraw revolver or bolt pistol

[thorny ginkgo]

i've never used vraks until scum.. most def need to try it on vet that shit is a monster lmao

[ripe seal]

Or a las weapon, I’d love any of the las weapons on scum

[thorny ginkgo]

recon las would be crazy

the crit talent that makes you immune would be going off nonstop

[limber cradle]

It does that anyway

On better weapons

[exotic temple]

It’s brittleness that stacks along with brittleness. Normally you can only get 40% brittleness from all sources. With the purple toxin you can get another 37.5% armor redux

[mighty belfry]

Huh.

[light phoenix]

Can I dump stat Collateral on TwinStubs?

[mighty belfry]

I wasn't aware the brittleness stacked

[ripe seal]

Collateral is just stagger right? If so then yes

[bronze glade]

yeah

cuz pinning fire is shit on stubs anyway

so collateral does basically nothing for you

[exotic temple]

Normally it doesn’t but the purple Is considered a separate debuff

[light phoenix]

So Crucian Roulette and RunNGun?

[limber cradle]

Sustained fire>Crucian

[fast surge]

On twin stubs blaze away+overwhelming fire is a good choice

For achlys anyway

[light phoenix]

Lol not Oggy TwinStubs

[fast surge]

Oh wait wrong class chat

Lol

[light phoenix]

Hahahaha Ogryn moment

[fast surge]

[ripe seal]

i do kinda find no use to use the brittle on the bonesaw since I feel like stacking up poison does more in general, I guess the chem bomb has an advantage there

oh, I'm looking at the scum guide on steam and had no idea that the chem grenades also reduced enemy hit mass, that's actually big

[exotic temple]

It depends on your team. If they don’t have very good anti armor that purple poison can put in some work

[mighty belfry]

Chem nades are just ridiculous honestly

[ripe seal]

the toxin doesn't stack as much as I thought it did but it's still a nice form of free damage, plus the explosion

[mighty belfry]

The only limiting thing about them is that you actually have to pick up grenades and even then, at least I wouldn't mind the default count being lowered because they're just that impactful

It is hilarious seeing sample collector give your stimm back twice in one nade lmao

[glad latch]

Mr E is out here giving desperado C tier

[exotic temple]

Could you imagine chem nade if the stacks weren’t capped

[mighty belfry]

Okay. Real talk.

While I think C is kinda crazy

I think Desperado is B at best.

By itself

It's what enables Desperado that makes it so busted

Like Pickpocket and VD

[exotic temple]

I know he is on the desperado sucks kick but then like the next minute he is bitching about how squishy the class is

[mighty belfry]

I do get giving it a somewhat lower ranking if we're talking about the ability itself

But C is still too low imho

Like this I can actually kinda agree with him on.

[ripe seal]

vulture kinda of suppliments what dseperado does when its off cooldown and more, but on demand range immunity is nice

[mighty belfry]

If not for him giving it a tad too low of a rating because Desperado is still on demand range immunity.

[exotic temple]

Between desperado slipper customer and vultures dodge you just stay is one form of invulnerability for an entire fight

[ripe seal]

your weapon set up matters but you just get to pump out so much ranged damage for free

[mighty belfry]

That being said

[glad latch]

imo, I think it's A tier, I can usually get top damage with it pretty consistently.

The immunity to all ranged is super strong as well, like just walk in a gunner room and mow everything down and they can't do anything back to you.

E mentions that desperado doesn't give damage, but having free ammo is literally free damage, not to mention a stim can be stacked with it for damage and fire rate.

[mighty belfry]

Rending heavies are D?

[ripe seal]

it increases your damage floor, not ceiling

[mighty belfry]

What?

[ripe seal]

exec stance has a higher peak but you still have to worry about ammo management

[mighty belfry]

Alright now thats a take I can't get behind at all

[ripe seal]

i can get that with rending heavies, its nice but has too many requirements

[mighty belfry]

My dude has not used the heavy sword with rampage

[low harbor]

it's very weapon specific

[exotic temple]

That node gives you 15 rending and 15% ranged dmg on desperado

[low harbor]

the best hvs melee don't need it

[glad latch]

Yeah, I thought that was an odd take as well, it's nice on specific weapons.

[limber cradle]

The more I play desp

The more I think rampage is better

Especially for havoc environments

[lapis raft]

ez ranking cry about it

[mighty belfry]

I mean true but for those weapons, I'd still say it deserves at least c tier

[limber cradle]

I fucking hate using crate I'm ngl

[low harbor]

I don't think SABCD tiers even make much sense

[limber cradle]

Like ik crate is good

[low harbor]

the only ranking I put in my guide is blessings for specific weapons

[mighty belfry]

Yeah it's weird to tier them because one thing that seems useless for one thing, can be invaluable for another.

And there's so many little synergies to consider.

[exotic temple]

I never understood s tier. If it the best just make it a tier

[mighty belfry]

Okay.

[glad latch]

Rampage is often more flexible then desperado even though it's melee, it just lets you slash through most situations and actually have some decent durability while it's up.

[mighty belfry]

This is weird because I actually have started to like Adrenaline a lot

But it's funny because I don't think Vultures Mark itself is that good

[limber cradle]

I think VM is very fun

But Okay realistically

[mighty belfry]

It is only a pick because of Vulture's Dodge.

Which is just insanely good.

[lapis raft]

even if not memeing i actually dont like adrenaline much ngl i think its worst and most boring one out of the 3

[limber cradle]

Nah that's chem dependency lol

[glad latch]

It's ok, but I think the upgrade nodes are kind of meh and some should be part of the base ability. Like stocked rage and uncontrolled aggression should be built into the keystone.

[lapis raft]

yea it having 4 tax nodes and 1 actual small node is just funny

[ripe seal]

adrenaline and VM are pretty much invisible to me, I don't take it into account for anything I do in the game, but its nice that I have it

[limber cradle]

VM lets me go fast as fuck which I enjoy a lot

[glad latch]

They could of added proper upgrade modes to AF, like one that gives finesse damage for example.

I mean they could even add the finesses bonus to the assassin upgrade node.

[ripe seal]

meanwhile with dependancy I'm constantly playing around it to the point that i'm stressing about going between 1 and 0 stacks in the start of the game without alot of trash to farm cooldown off

[limber cradle]

Yeah I'm ngl

I do not fuck with any scum keystone heavily

[exotic temple]

I saw where Reginald did a dmg comparison between adrenaline and chem dep. adrenaline doesn’t give you a lot of extra dps when rampage is active but chem does because the crits contribute more to the bottom line and you get rampage back faster

[ripe seal]

yeah besides vulture dodge the vulture one is pretty whatever feeling, especially comapred to marksman in the vet tree

[limber cradle]

My favorite part of vultures is the movement speed

I dont even care about the dodge tbqh

[lapis raft]

if adrenaline frenzy actually gave you like idk 20-25% attack speed and no melee damage i would like it a lot more

you know like thename suggests

adrenaline frenzy