hivescum-class

[charred bronze]

been a minute

[limber cradle]

Falc and Axe

For Saltz

[drifting heron]

S&M was kruber

[pulsar aspen]

Double TacAxe with macros

[final temple]

gieb kin double plasma cutter (axe)

[hardy maple]

do you think they're gonna add other dual wield weapons? they havent given arbites any new weapons (that I know of)

[torpid cloud]

nah but its a fun thought

[pulsar aspen]

Maybe they will, maybe they won't.

[limber cradle]

I think there's a 0 percent chance arb specifically gets dual wield

[exotic temple]

Power falchion and power maul dw would be cool

[hardy maple]

not arb, i was just comparing that Arbites hasnt gotten any new weapons so i doubt scum will

[limber cradle]

If we're going based off GW restrictions by models arb can only get 3 new weapons

[torpid cloud]

also i just read that the increased dodge window not affecting gun shots has been fixed, thats nice

[exotic temple]

Copy paste kruber move set and profit

[pulsar aspen]

Arbitrator is the least class i can see any dual wield weapons.

On Zealot, that is something else.

[hardy maple]

man didi really word it that badly

i dont want arbite to have dual wield I was just comparing that since arbites hasnt gotten anything new i doubt Scum will

[pulsar aspen]

The question here would probably be, why -should- Arbitrator get something new? Just because Hive Scum release?

There is no real reason why Arbitrator would get something new.

[limber cradle]

I don't even use arbs current exclusives on arb tbh

[pulsar aspen]

The spotlight is on Hive Scum.

[spiral horizon]

Arbs exclusives are at least defo strong

I mean scum's are too for the most part

crowbar and .45s notwithstanding

[limber cradle]

Crowbar and .45s are the weak end

[spiral horizon]

yee

[limber cradle]

Needler is "literally the fuck is this thing" tier good ime

Everything else is inbetween those

[spiral horizon]

shivs are strong but also like not beyond anything else that's strong in the game

[limber cradle]

Shivs are solidly S tier but not S+ tier like Needler imo

[spiral horizon]

bonesaw is good but something of an acquired taste imo

and not like, gamebreaking at all, it comes with caveats in terms of build and such to really get it rolling and even then it's not doing anything beyond what other stuff can do

[limber cradle]

I feel like macs are in the same boat but less of an acquired taste

Very strong when built for

Otherwise fine

[spiral horizon]

yeah and a lot of that is also just desperado and such being a bit silly

[limber cradle]

Agreed

[mighty belfry]

Tbh if you know how to abuse the knives, I think they qualify for s+ tier.

Those knives are really powerful.

[limber cradle]

They need to be built for still, no?

[mighty belfry]

Nope.

They're just good out the box.

[limber cradle]

I agree with that I suppose

Needler is S+ tier for me cause it requires literally nothing at all to work

[mighty belfry]

Just throwing one at a crusher can significantly change the ttk

[limber cradle]

Well, cept the ability to hit the broad side of a barn

[limber cradle]

Ik, its why I like them

Even without a tox build you can tox a crusher

[lilac schooner]

tehrye busted

[mighty belfry]

Honestly those knives are why I stopped using pickpocket on tox builds

Since they're so easy to regen too lol

[viral hedge]

Wouldn't wrath be better than shock and awe for the binesaw. Pushblock to heavy loop?

[spiral horizon]

I guess it depends on the baseline we're talking about

[charred bronze]

Oh man, a plasma cutter as the equivalent of a force weapon for scum would be awesome

[spiral horizon]

they're strong for sure, not disputing that but I don't think they're any more busted than like...any of the other busted stuff in the game if you get what I mean

[mighty belfry]

I'll be real. Even with that in mind, I don't think shivs themselves are really busted

They're very good.

And particularly good on tox builds because of the knives.

[limber cradle]

Tbh I'm still not sure i prefer them to TAxe

[charred bronze]

DAPS are insanely ammo inefficient. They only work on scum imo

[limber cradle]

Like the major selling point of shivs to me is the throw

[limber cradle]

I agree, they do infact only work on scum.

[charred bronze]

I use them as my despo back up melee and they're adequate out of the box

[limber cradle]

Adequate isn't op

I agree they simply work

[icy scaffold]

Uncanny, precog. Throw 2 knives, heavy a couple times. Dead crusher and you got your knives back

[frigid sluice]

How does one have 6 rockets

[limber cradle]

But they're not "haha I'm the needler and I will nuke this entire armor wave with no investment"

[charred bronze]

agree. They seem very similar to easier to use combat knife to me

[limber cradle]

Maelstrom modifier and +1 blitz probably

[spiral horizon]

I've done some pretty funny stuff with shivs using hyper critical but like, it's really not doing anything I can't also do with like Caxe or Taxe

[mighty belfry]

You don't even need uncanny if you're running tox build

[spiral horizon]

or the combat knife, even

[charred bronze]

and if shivs didn't exist, we'd all be talking about how busted the combat knife is on scum

[spiral horizon]

man imagine if scum could get dueling sword

[icy scaffold]

You can also throw 3 knives, then just pop 3 specials to get them back while ignoring the crusher that’s about to die

[mighty belfry]

🛑

Don't give them ideas.

[limber cradle]

I wouldn't use it tbh

[icy scaffold]

#givescumreconlas

[spiral horizon]

imagine if hive scum could get relic blade (ik cole posted a clip of that somewhere)

[limber cradle]

Now that would be funny

[tight musk]

I don't even use dueling sword on classes that can get it cause I don't like it.

[icy scaffold]

It’s so stylish tho

[mighty belfry]

Relic blade would go so hard with the bladesman's garb solely for vibes.

[spiral horizon]

I like dueling sword in terms of aesthetic and moveset

I do not like the balancing of it

[limber cradle]

No style to it imo

[spiral horizon]

which sucks, because I would like to run it

[limber cradle]

Just heavy pokes

[spiral horizon]

but actually running it is just not fun

[icy scaffold]

Well yeah if you just play optimally smh

[spiral horizon]

well the mk5 is kinda fun actually, the one with the overheads instead of thrusts

doesn't feel as silly

[tight musk]

I had a couple good games with the Mk V dueling sword on vet, it gives you absolutely insane dodges cause it gets dodge bonus from mobility and another dodge bonus from defense, but overall I didn't have a particularly good time using the dueling swords.

[limber cradle]

Idk, my favorite common meta melee is TAxe

[hardy maple]

if i remember right arent the dueling swords busted on zealot

[tight musk]

I mostly use the knife on zealot.

[final temple]

dueling swords are busted on everyone. but yeah. zealot unsurprisingly elevated them

[spiral horizon]

they'd be balanced just fine if they didn't have such insanely high finesse on the jabby

like that's literally all they need to nerf

[tight musk]

Once again someone says dueling swords are busted and I am just reminded of all the games I had where the dueling sword was just severely lacking for me.

[main wagon]

For the meme did they let them play with it at one point in testing?

[spiral horizon]

I actually have no idea

I really wasn't present at all for scum testing

ya boy was busy af irl at the time

[main wagon]

Tbh Evi with Scum’s attack speed would’ve been just as silly, I would’ve begged if I was one of them lol

“don’t put this in final build obv but can you enable this just for funsies”

SINCE THEY WANTED TO GIVE IT LATCHING WEAPONS

[hot edge]

Got some bad news for you, buddy

[spiral horizon]

I hate sticky attacks 😭

[limber cradle]

I cant use the Cleaver or ChAxes cause of em tbh

I hate standing still

[spiral horizon]

the bonesaw sticky idm because it's really rather fast

[limber cradle]

Conversely this might be why I like scum so much

[spiral horizon]

but I fucking loathe the crowbar stickies and any chain weap stickies

I don't like having my camera jerked around and having my flow interrupted y'know

[tight musk]

So...are you gonna actually say what the bad news are?

[hot edge]

I think you know

[amber sundial]

the good news is he forgot the bad news

[tight musk]

I don't.

Yay.

[mighty belfry]

Keeping it 100

I don't think combat knife is that good on scum

[high gull]

Woooord

[tight musk]

I don't really see the reason to use a knife on scum when you can get 5 times the knives with shivs (2 in your hands and 3 in the pocket for throwing).

[astral canyon]

And this is not counting the throwing knife refunds

[charred bronze]

Rampage Adrenaline relic blade would be absurdly disgusting

[astral canyon]

So you actually get even more knife per knife

[charred bronze]

it's just shivs with extra steps

[rich carbon]

anyone got a build for vulture's mark

[charred bronze]

I have one that's degen

[rich carbon]

ive been wanting to try it (and I want the penances)

[rich carbon]

degen?

[charred bronze]

no melee talents at all. All shoot all the time

[haughty slate]

why are people allowed to do auric maelstrom's under level 30?

[charred bronze]

it's very fun. . . for me

[haughty slate]

leeches

[rich carbon]

yknow what fuck yea

[charred bronze]

it's oppressive as fuck tbh

[rich carbon]

does it work with stub pistols? or only autopistol

[charred bronze]

and I gotta shoot to live, so I'm constantly denying kills to other careers so . .

but it's great

DAPs. Tried everything else, and they do it best

best ttk and best vulture's dodge uptime

[haughty slate]

you generally want to run vulture's dodge with fast firing crit weapons

DAP and shredder are goated

[charred bronze]

Uh, so I don't have to post a gallery, let me finally put this into gameslantern

[rich carbon]

blaze away pinning fire right

[charred bronze]

the way I play, yes

lots of other people swap pinning out for reload cuz it's safer

[rich carbon]

can i get tha build

[charred bronze]

you still gotta move around and not be where the bad stuff is with this build

[rich carbon]

tbf speedloader sounds nice

[charred bronze]

yup, gotta actually do the thing, please gimme a min

[haughty slate]

speedloader if you're running DAP, pinning fire if you're running Shredder

[rich carbon]

kk

[charred bronze]

I still like pinning on the shredder. Faster mixed horde clear and vaporizes maulers

[tight musk]

My opinion on DAPs has arrived.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIuywTrCaIQ

[haughty slate]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a092473c-52f6-4be9-acc6-54645e63ca56/invincible-autopistol-support

Here's an autopistol build for ya. Very different from the usual DAP + Desperado build. Extremely fun, survivable, great team support and personal DPS on anything that isn't a crusher.

[rich carbon]

no jittery or slippery is scary

[haughty slate]

[rich carbon]

also wait no desperado???

that sounds fun af

[haughty slate]

you don't need it, you're invincible 90% of the time

it's extremely speedy and fast-paced

[charred bronze]

@rich carbon ^ that's what I run.

[haughty slate]

And there's a great one for DAP

so you've got two different versions of Vulture's Dodge to try

[rich carbon]

uses pickpocket to sustain i assume

[haughty slate]

Yeah pickpocket on any build is infinite ammo as long as you don't spray your last clip into poxwalkers

[rich carbon]

yknow what ill try regular shredder pistol

[charred bronze]

I always run only cooldown stimm with +75% on kill

I try to pop it as soon as Desperado is on cooldown, but only as long as there's stuff to murder

[frigid sluice]

Unless they changed it pickpocket also seems to work with melee kills which is really useful when I spray my last clip into poxwalkers

[haughty slate]

Scumer makes shredder autopistol so damn good

[leaden fable]

Scum makes all kinds of stuff that lacked oomph suddenly good

[livid raven]

pickpocket works with any kind of kill

[charred bronze]

try 'em all. The Vraks infantry autogun is also great

[livid raven]

even pushing a poxburster

[analog blade]

Dont people hate tanner

[rich carbon]

interesting

[charred bronze]

but requires some points in melee since it won't keep you safe as well as the shredder and DAPs do

[haughty slate]

I'd say the main difference between the DAP desperado build and Shredder supply build is Shredder is more accurate and more team support while DAP offers a bit more personal damage and mobility

[charred bronze]

it kinda demands a 'burst, burst, burst' style that doesn't play nice with vulture's dodge uptime

[haughty slate]

Both are incredibly strong. Probably the most fun I've ever had on Darktide.

[livid raven]

the shredder has much less damage

[tight musk]

I tried using 75% cooldown on melee kill stimm on a rampage build, but I kind of found that if my rampage is on cooldown, everything around is, most of the time, already too dead for me to kill.

[haughty slate]

Not really. Constant stimm crate + pinning fire makes up for a lot

[livid raven]

those are on daps too

[haughty slate]

Right but then you're missing speedload

Shredder doesn't need speedload

[livid raven]

neither does the dap

the talent is more than enough

[low harbor]

Stim doesn’t immediately give full stamina back

[charred bronze]

about half the dps on maulers, in my psych testing, but well, psych lies sometimes

[low harbor]

What?

[haughty slate]

Right, but then you have less uptime than the Shredder. Uptime is damage.

[livid raven]

i mean do they have the same fire rate

[tight musk]

I can't hate a femboy who talks about a game I like.

[livid raven]

i don't think so

[haughty slate]

And Shredder has a much faster reload

[charred bronze]

some people are doing double barrel too, but I haven't tried it yet. I find that you're most vulnerable while reloading, so needing to reload all the time seems suboptimal to me.

Scum talents make it pop off though

[haughty slate]

DB shotgun build is actually really good if you're running stimm crate with the +30% reload speed and don't use Both Barrels

[charred bronze]

I've learned to try to play around my reload. And if I'm getting overwhelmed, tox grenades can be an oh shit button

or get used to save people, hit chokes, help with big packs, etc.

[spiral horizon]

it really would be, it'd also be very funny

[rancid veldt]

Has anyone tested good the attack speed is vs toughness regen stim lab to see how they perform

[spiral horizon]

the toughness gen stim is the weakest imo

[haughty slate]

Yeah that's the way to do it. You really can't go wrong with pinning fire or speedload on DAP, but because Shredder doesn't need speedload you always take pinning fire + blaze away.

[charred bronze]

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see it in action and play it, but I can't imagine it would be anything but busted

[haughty slate]

So it just depends on if you want more damage or more uptime on DAP

Shredder you always take the damage

[rancid veldt]

Ah I wasn’t sure if I’d benefit more with devil claw using attack speed vs the toughness

[spiral horizon]

attack speed is strictly better no matter what tbh

[haughty slate]

Yeah the toughness regen line on stimm's is ass

[tight musk]

Toughness regen on stimm only affects coherency regen, which is disabled when you have enemies trying to melee you...which is a lot of the time.

[haughty slate]

unfortunately

[spiral horizon]

like if your toughness is getting shredded, toughness stim is not a good solution

[rancid veldt]

Usually it’s I tank a lot of damage or I blow up

I don’t get an inbetween

[haughty slate]

Yeah that's how it goes with Scum. You have no problem regenerating toughness. You have a problem with dying in one hit.

So toughness regen is even more cheeks for yourself

[tender marten]

you may as well ignore the toughness bonus, but the damage resist is still good even if 'half' the path is 'wasted'

[spiral horizon]

better off running attack speed since that's effectively also a toughness booster because more attacks=more toughness gained

[novel oracle]

you could very easily get shredded in the time it takes to actually stim, cuz youre not able to block swing or push during that period, which takes away 3/4 of your options to avoid taking hits in a fight

[livid raven]

i don't think 16% DR for 15/20 seconds is good on a stim

[tender marten]

the actual toughness replen at the end is nice tho

[livid raven]

like, you can use the burst of strength or attack speed

but that 16% DR might just go to waste

[haughty slate]

also attack speed synergizes with sample collector on stimm crate builds... more kills = higher uptime on stimm

[spiral horizon]

yeah pretty much, plus using stim as a reactive tool is a bit iffy imo compared to just popping it pro-actively

[tender marten]

im always popping proactively

[rancid veldt]

I mean I always use it after a rampage as long as it’s a horde around I feel like I always have uptime on it

[charred bronze]

My thinking is that the DAP already has faster ttk than the shredder. Even if I'm taking another little bit of time per reload, I've already cleared more threats. It's way better than speedloader vs dregs and scabs too.

this is all in auric though

[livid raven]

btw what's the shredder's cleave value

[charred bronze]

and havoc does things I don't have experience with. I have no idea if this can work in havoc

[spiral horizon]

like for hive scum (this also kinda applies to tide games generally) more offense ends up being a booster to defense

[rancid veldt]

I really wanna test the strength but honestly I feel like I’d benefit more with attack speed and less stamina cost using devils claw

[spiral horizon]

more dps and more kills=more safety and buff uptime

[rancid veldt]

In all my years of suffering with it and being memed on the payoff has come for it to be good🙏

[spiral horizon]

and it becomes a positive feedback loop of sorts

[charred bronze]

it's too slow and too vulnerable to be a good 'oh crap' button. Better off using blinders to buy some breathing room

[tight musk]

I switched to full strength and full cooldown stimms on my supply build.

I don't really benefit from ability cooldown much, but my teammates do, and I still get the full benefit of extra damage.

[haughty slate]

I think the main difference is that DAP + Desperado + Pinning Fire + Blaze Away has higher highs and higher damage in closer ranges.

Shredder + Stimm Crate + Pinning Fire + Blaze Away does less personal damage during those high moments, but makes up for it by having much more stimm uptime and also offering team support.

Both are friggin great

[broken bear]

Positive feedback me zaddy

[rancid veldt]

I just realized I don’t have my convicts tag like I did before

[charred bronze]

they are. My only problem with it is that it's a very 'selfish' build. I worry that my squadmates aren't having fun =/

[haughty slate]

Then go the Shredder build and buff them with you. It's still pretty easy build to be selfish with, I won't lie... Half the time I'm zooming around the map like a freak.

[charred bronze]

the DAPs all ranged build is, anyway

[haughty slate]

But I do try to go near them before I drop my box of goodies again

[charred bronze]

I haven't enjoyed the tox heavy specs I've played, but I'll give it a shot at some point

[haughty slate]

Oh it doesn't use anything tox

It's just a crate build

Sample collector still puts in a ton of work on it

[charred bronze]

Oh, I see

similar layout to mine, just goes to crate instead of despo

and a more potent stimm, obv

what do you put on it?

[haughty slate]

Yeah it's a bit less main character energy than the DAP setup but you get more support and better accuracy

[charred bronze]

and it's in the build. I big dumb

[haughty slate]

Yeeee the stimm is more potent and has much better uptime

which helps a lot with Shredder having less damage than DAP

[charred bronze]

why reload and recoil instead of stun/slow immunity or movement buffs?

def don't need the recoil reduction for shredder. Already shoots super flat

[haughty slate]

I'm already moving at mach 10 so I don't really need the movement speed. Plus faster reloads + less recoil means more kills which is better for sample collector.

Lets you get the cooldown back even faster

You could totally use it though

[woeful hill]

https://youtu.be/4G4PA9jVIXs @spiral horizon

okay posted

[haughty slate]

It gives you that stupid uptime on Vulture's Dodge too

[woeful hill]

Dclaw

[leaden fable]

Dnclaw

[haughty slate]

In case anyone didn't know, Shredder has built in Run 'n Gun

[charred bronze]

uhhh I never use games lantern. How do I swap weapons in the build editor? It is not as obvious as I thought it'd be?

[haughty slate]

Just click the picture for them at the top

[charred bronze]

haha what terrible UX. Okay thanks

[haughty slate]

Yeah it's a bit finnicky

Oh another reason why I personally prefer the shredder setup... MUCH less screenshake

DAP goes cwazy

[icy scaffold]

Pocket Toxin should just effect all explosions

[haughty slate]

Exploding Needle Pistol + Pocket Toxin. I see you, you madman.

Oh boy Tanner is shitting on the DAP's

this should be interesting

[brittle sierra]

DAP?

[haughty slate]

Dual Auto Pistols

the BRRRRRRRRR guns

[icy scaffold]

Gotta think bigger. Bolt pistol

[brittle sierra]

nah they are trash, alt fire needs more damage

[haughty slate]

Oh shid.

[icy scaffold]

The fact that daps don’t chain crit is pretty crazy

[brittle sierra]

without alt fire, they are just a worst version of UZIs

[haughty slate]

Yeah pretty wild

[brittle sierra]

because they dont have rending to deal with crushers

😔

[haughty slate]

the DAP is the Uzis

[icy scaffold]

Agri braced and Vraks IAG outdo them pretty easily

[mighty belfry]

DAPs are Uzis.

[haughty slate]

Shredder stays winning out here

[mighty belfry]

That's the stub pistols you're talking about

[icy scaffold]

Shredder has some pretty nice accuracy tbf.

[mighty belfry]

God your thumbnails are so unhinged.

[haughty slate]

Shredder is honestly godlike. Feels so good to finally have a class it's legitimately meta on.

I spent years trying to come up with a good shredder vet build

[livid raven]

i much prefer DAP but i tried shredder and they are pretty comfy

definitely a better shooting audio

i was kinda getting hammered with the DAPs

[haughty slate]

I wonder how Tanner is feeling about the Shredder on this class

[livid raven]

i don't think he is even considering the shredder's existance

[haughty slate]

I showed him my build and he said it was good except "using the shredder is retar-"

yeah I think he might have a little bias

[livid raven]

i mean it's fair, 2 years of absolute mediocrity make you forget it exists

[haughty slate]

Yeah fair. It's the first time I've ever used it where it legitimately feels good.

[icy scaffold]

It’s probably still technically worse then Vraks but at least it’s not bad

[haughty slate]

Yeah I haven't tried Vraks but I'd definitely believe that

Vraks is a friggin monster

[icy scaffold]

Agri braced is fun too. I got converted from a Graia enjoyer into a Agri enjoyer

[spiral horizon]

the agri inf auto and agri brauto are the most enjoyable of the autorifles imo

[icy scaffold]

I prefer Vraks IAG because funny brrrrt

[tender marten]

im still gonna keep stanning for the fast fire braced one

that dakka is fuuuun

and lots of ammo to spare

[icy scaffold]

Agri braced is nice and chunky though. Plus dat cleave is niiice

[spiral horizon]

yea I prefer the more steady rate of fire on the agris just for the vibe, it's straight up personal preference for me

[tender marten]

i can respect that (lie)

[spiral horizon]

everyone must play to the beat of my drum and have all the same opinions as me or I will feel invalidated smh

[tender marten]

I'M JUST SO INSECURE

[exotic temple]

Either could work but when I was in the meat grinder you hit another 1-2 groaners with shock and awe. But I was also stacking pulverizing and battering strikes so amping the base helps more than % of lower number. You might find wrath works fine for your build

[livid raven]

shock and awe must be the best cleave blessing

[rich carbon]

what perks does Shredder want

[livid raven]

pinning fire and blaze away

you use them in the same way as the DAPs but with better accuracy, lower damage and actual stagger

[rich carbon]

perks I mean

[livid raven]

flak and unyelding maybe

[bronze glade]

that's what i'd run yeah

the flak damage on SAP is kinda shit

[rich carbon]

hivescum only wants toughness curios right

[bronze glade]

depends

i don't think HIV has one set curio setup

[rich carbon]

thats fair

[livid raven]

for desperado i would go only toughness

[bronze glade]

because swift endurance is a thing

[livid raven]

or two toughness one health for those pesky bursters

[rich carbon]

im doing a stimm supply vulture's mark build

ngl this is super fun

[icy scaffold]

I like 3 toughness with ability CDR, health, and toughness

[rich carbon]

nice

i just burned like. 4000 melkbux and only got 1 toughness curio :I

[livid raven]

i say desperado but i mean ranged only builds

[rich carbon]

this is a ranged only build thats the worst part

[icy scaffold]

Rip

[livid raven]

owned

[livid raven]

i suggest removing calling for a time out and taking slippery customer imo

or remove hyper critical, it doesn't do anything here

[rich carbon]

hypercrit is needed to reach keystone

ig i could go moving target isntead

this instead?

i wish it was possible to hit Sweet Spot

[icy scaffold]

If you’re going stim supply then grabbing chem dependency wouldn’t be a bad idea

[rich carbon]

???

chem dep is like. actively bad on stimm supply

[icy scaffold]

Nope, it gives you a stack now

[rich carbon]

yeah but it doesnt do anything really

you have to wait for your stimm to come back anyways

and the other 2 keystones give higher stat buffs

[livid raven]

you would be right except

[icy scaffold]

40% CDR means you get an extra stim supply in between your maxed out stim CD

[livid raven]

it's currently bugged in some way so the stimm supply gets the stimm effect even if the stimm is recharging

i don't know the details tho

[icy scaffold]

That should be how it always works ngl

[icy scaffold]

You just have to leave the radius and step back in to get the stim effect

[livid raven]

that's so stupid

[icy scaffold]

So you can double dip on stims and always have 40% cdr, 20% crit, and 20% DR, on top of regaining 50% toughness every time you stim

[tight musk]

So I guess 20% crit chance, 20% toughness damage resistance and instant recovery of 50% toughness every time you drop a crate is just nothing.

[livid raven]

ehrm

[icy scaffold]

They were working on old info

[livid raven]

it's 16% damage resistance

[icy scaffold]

So it’s understandable if they didn’t know it got gigabuffed

[icy scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpson-nerd-yelling-insult-gif-7884166

[final temple]

It is the best keystone scum has and exceptionally easy to maintain and powerful on the class.

[lapis raft]

yea i use chem dep on every scum setup its so nice to use

5% crit, 5% tdr, 10% cd regen per point sign me up

[livid raven]

i sleep

[woeful hill]

I woke

[tight musk]

I have insomnia.

[haughty slate]

"Autopistol is r-slur" - Tanner

[leaden fable]

He does seem to spew vitriol about anything beyond his understanding lol

[haughty slate]

As someone who defended Tanner just being an autistic 4chan nerd

yeah he needs to dial it back

LMAO

[haughty slate]

flak + maniac

^

that's my autopistol build in an auric maelstrom

"support" build btw

shredder bad

@charred bronze You might be interested in this screenshot as well

[charred bronze]

hahah 201 disablers killed? Was that a hunting grounds or something, holy shit? lol

[haughty slate]

Hi-intensity hunting Grounds

[charred bronze]

haha that'll do it. Maelstrom?

[haughty slate]

Yessir!

[charred bronze]

I am 3/5 to get the stupid penance

[haughty slate]

Casually 56% immune to all damage

[charred bronze]

and I'm terrified to go into maelstrom now, until people get used to Hive Scum and won't wreck runs due to dumb mistakes

yeah, my uptime on vodge hovers around 60%

[brittle sierra]

Idk if it's the best keystone

Because CDR is kinda redundant when you run cdr stimms

[rancid veldt]

Is hyper critical or hyper strike better to use?

[haughty slate]

Honestly I find that in most of my runs there's only one other hive scum

[brittle sierra]

Or if you use crate

Please Fatshark change it from CDR to stimm CDR

[haughty slate]

Depends on your build. Hyper strike if you're going all in on melee. Hyper critical is a better one point spend for ranged builds.

[charred bronze]

oh man, it's complicated

[rancid veldt]

hyper strike it is

[brittle sierra]

U can take both

[charred bronze]

I'm one of those people that likes both, even if Hyper-Critical prevents me from getting gigantic hits on crushers.

And it's hyper-violence guys. Geez

[haughty slate]

Chem Dependency is crap on Stimm Supply builds

Otherwise it's great

[haughty slate]

I'm a fake Darktide player

[rancid veldt]

listen it was a long day at work

[haughty slate]

[rancid veldt]

Well I’m using devils claw so it’s not like I’m gonna have some insane damage on crushers unless parry

[charred bronze]

Subjectively, I kill elite packs faster and objectively post higher dps numbers with both. But I've accidentally done entire missions missing one or the other while testing because I'm dumb, and they do very similar things on their own. You definitely don't need both

[haughty slate]

The math behind the hyper skills hurts my brain

[charred bronze]

I have no idea how good Hyper-crit is on the claw. Is it a high crit weapon? If not, H-V is probably the way to go

[rancid veldt]

I’m pretty sure it has decent crit

[haughty slate]

I'm so thankful that I can now post that scoreboard screenshot anytime anyone tells me I need to take Desperado or that Shredder is bad

[rancid veldt]

What’s the mod to get scoreboard? I haven’t gotten time to do mods on tide yet since moving over from console

[lapis raft]

sounds like skill issue to me

80% uptime on 75s cd stimm

[pallid quail]

its on nexus along with darktide mod loader/framework which youll need to make it work

[versed spruce]

You call it crap because you think it's bad, I call it crap because it makes me fall asleep. We are not the same

[haughty slate]

Doesn't matter. If you're using crate without stimm it's not supposed to do anything but help with corruption.

[lapis raft]

thats not what the wording says

and it is how it works now even if its a bug so

[rancid veldt]

I think it’s well known for years now FS is pretty shit at wording

[lapis raft]

thats fine but they worded it that way so not my problem :d

[haughty slate]

That entire second paragraph

No stimm, no buffs

hence, chem dependency is bad on stimm crate builds

[versed spruce]

Long ago, "Gives grenades more damage" or something on vet actually secretly gave almost complete stun immunity

Just permanently

[lapis raft]

yea except it doesnt work like that atm and it says copy

[rancid veldt]

I remember that🥀 I remember we could get 500 gold toughness on vet too

[versed spruce]

Good ol' broken days

Nothing like the good new broken days

[haughty slate]

"If you have a stimm equipped" are the operative words here. It was working by itself for a bit when it was bugged. It might still be.

But if they fixed it, chem dependency sucks with stimm supply

[lapis raft]

you always have stimm equipped its just on cd

as you cant pickup other stimms

[haughty slate]

yes, without it being off cooldown it's not supposed to provide buffs

[lapis raft]

but either way if the wording actually did what it says it shouldnt even go on cd in first place

[haughty slate]

just the corruption stuff

[lapis raft]

because its a copy

[haughty slate]

it's not a copy... it copies the effects

noun versus verb

[lapis raft]

it literally says it copies its contents

[haughty slate]

the wording is shit for sure

right, if you have stimm up

that's how it's supposed to work

that's why it puts stimm on cooldown when you use it when it's up

[lapis raft]

well the stimm wont go down if it actually copied its contents right

[haughty slate]

it only copies it's contents if you have stimm up

[lapis raft]

anyway as i said wording supports the current behaviour and tat is how it works atm

and so chem dep is good

[haughty slate]

until the bug fix

[lapis raft]

if they change it chem dep wont be as good on it anymore and thats it simple

[haughty slate]

if they haven't already fixed it

[lapis raft]

they didnt

[haughty slate]

well shit

then I guess you're good for now

but yes before they introduced the bug that was the intended way it works

IF you have stimm up, it copies the effects

[icy scaffold]

Yea, 40% CDR lets you get a free stim crate in between stim cooldowns. So right now chem dependency is king on stim supply

[lapis raft]

well im not gonna sit here and divine what they mean by them being completely incompetent at making coherent tooltips :d

[haughty slate]

I thought they would have patched it but I guess it's fatshark

everybody is already on vacation

[versed spruce]

I think if Desperado/VD combo, or even Pickpocket, is going to keep being allowed to exist on purpose, they may as well just let stim crate copy stim effects even when it's on cooldown tbh

[haughty slate]

Yeah I really wish they would just let the playtesters properly word their tooltips

it's so confusing

[lapis raft]

they should or they should fix their wording at minimum. they did 2 patches of fixing wordings on scum and did not even botherer

[livid raven]

i think desperado and rampage fans should unite to keep the stimm supply users down

[near mauve]

i dont think playtesters have anything to do with writing tooltips

[lapis raft]

and bunch of other wordings are still rly bad too

[near mauve]

its all fatfish

[versed spruce]

I couldn't care less about someone shoving their numbers a bit higher vs. someone shooting everything everywhere forever. It's like an inferno psyker, just without the obnoxious visual effects

[haughty slate]

Stimmers are people too

[lapis raft]

they just need to have intern that actually reads the tooltips in game and fixes them up its not hard job

and rest is just translators

[livid raven]

sounds like work

[haughty slate]

Right, that's the problem. I can tell you for certain they're all confused af when they are doing the alpha tests.

"Close Ranged Damage" = Not ranged damage

Oh FartShart

[livid raven]

unstable power still reads like the worst blessing in the game

[icy scaffold]

Pickpocket is fine though. The only things that might need axing are Vulture’s dodge and gunner immunity at most.

[versed spruce]

"Today we will make a talent that gives you +50% finesse for 5 seconds when you dodge"
"Let's make the buff get consumed on the first attack and not tell them"
"Sounds good"

[livid raven]

what's that

[versed spruce]

Duelist

On zealot

[lapis raft]

just grab some programmer he will do it for free :d i know all my software dev friends would be seething if they seen those wordings including me

[livid raven]

classic zealot ownage

[haughty slate]

Daaaamn really?

Everyone was talking up Duelist for so long

[lapis raft]

and they wouldnt even need to play daktide

[haughty slate]

they bamboozled em

[near mauve]

duelist is still goated

and it was always like this

did u think its literal dmg boost for 5 seconds lol

[versed spruce]

Idk, I'm not a fan of the resource tied to guns, which are generally more powerful than melee, being 100% trivialized

[livid raven]

i mean

[haughty slate]

I barely played zealot so I dunno

[livid raven]

it could just be written in the tooltip

[mighty belfry]

Pickpocket is absolutely not fine.

[lapis raft]

wait is that how that one works? hahahah

thats amazing

[haughty slate]

I have zealot with guns. I don't need 'em

[versed spruce]

Meaning someone is just doing better damage constantly than people actually engaging with the game in melee

[mighty belfry]

Pickpocket is honestly one of the most fundamentally broken things on the class by far.

[icy scaffold]

Literally Vet and Psyker already do it

[near mauve]

psyker is stupid and vet only on lasguns tho

[lapis raft]

pickpocket being stronger than all 3 keystones combined just because

[versed spruce]

Vet can't shoot forever, there's at least a tiny amount of conservation you have to do

[lapis raft]

fun small node

[versed spruce]

And yeah psyker is stupid

Explode psyker

[icy scaffold]

Oh no, not the infinite ammo Helbore that can pop everything

[haughty slate]

If they take pickpocket away from me I will kill everyone in this room and then myself

[versed spruce]

Is it spamming into hordes and murdering everything?

[near mauve]

i never see anyone with hellbores cause u have to actually aim

[livid raven]

helbore is even less restricted by ammo than pickpocket

you literally never go below 700 ammo

[haughty slate]

Yeah but Helbore is poop from a butt

[zenith fern]

I saw on Morningstar chat, a single message say "Do not ever use Hellebore again, that shit is wack" lmao

[icy scaffold]

Recon lasgun also goes brrrrt, infantry lasgun is also decent, then there’s funny laspistol if you want carpal tunnel

[livid raven]

Helbore is like top 2 veteran weapons

[near mauve]

hellbore = aim and hit heads
dual uzis = bbbbbbbbbbbbbbrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt

[lapis raft]

vet at least has to put some effort behind it, first one is restricted and second requires wep swaps

i said this before but imo if pickpocket restored only on melee kill could be more balanced

[brittle sierra]

DOODODODODODODOOOOO

Breereaatattatat

[near mauve]

real

[icy scaffold]

I’d turn into one of those psykers who only uses smite.

[brittle sierra]

WAWAWAWAWAWA DOC FUKEMUP

[brittle sierra]

SKILLDIFFFFFFENCE

[haughty slate]

I had one of those in my last maelstrom game where I had 201 disabler kills and 1859k damage but don't tell anyone

[versed spruce]

Laspistol does not kill everything on the screen all the time
iLas does not kill everything on the screen all the time
Recon semi-true, yet you can still run out of ammo if you spam forever unlike a Pickpockoid

[lapis raft]

i had like greatest maelstorm ever the other day with psyker in team i was just spamming crates under them and we had perma bubbles was so chill

[versed spruce]

Anyone with even a tiny bit of conservation will not run out of ammo on a recon but it's still silly so that's all I'll grant you

[lapis raft]

idk how much did the crate actually contributed as i literally did not played psyker once as i dont like that class

[versed spruce]

Even then it's less than Pickpocket

[lapis raft]

but probs decent amount :d

[final temple]

I would switch the TDR node with the keystone itself. but it’s not redundant. the low supply cooldown is pretty powerful for both booby builds and for removing corruption

[rare stirrup]

Pickpocket be like: "you have infinite ammo while using your ult, might as well have infinite ammo all the time"

[near mauve]

its funny how pickpocket/desperado shit happens every single day here

how are u fellas not tired of it

[brittle sierra]

Woah it's almost like your are DEPENDENT on the stimms

[icy scaffold]

It’s a 40k game, I want to shoot 40k guns

Melee is for nerds

[brittle sierra]

Nope

Use a bow and arrow

[haughty slate]

I miss Bardin

Can we get a mini-Bardin cannon?

[brittle sierra]

He voices one of the Ogryns

[woeful hill]

wanna see bardin

[haughty slate]

He's also Melk, which breaks my heart because Melk hates my scumer

[lapis raft]

i rly liked las fusil in sm2 why no las fusil here smh my head

[haughty slate]

[icy scaffold]

“Erm, I push attack, heavy, into light combo for optimum horde clear”
Meanwhile me: “Gun go brrrrt”

[woeful hill]

slayer jump

[haughty slate]

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

[brittle sierra]

Playing on 120 fov be like:

[haughty slate]

I miss my funny lil man

[icy scaffold]

Give Gunlugger a multilaser and pickpocket

Also buff Gunlugger so I can have 4 classes where I shoot all game

[lapis raft]

or multi-melta ogryn

[haughty slate]

alrighty folks I'm gonna get to bed so I can do Christmas stuff tomorrow

[final temple]

yah. that was my rationale. need the stimms to be a tuff guy

[haughty slate]

have a good one and Merry Chrimbus

❤️

[final temple]

Merry Grotmas you silly gitz

[brittle sierra]

Not yet for me 😞

[lapis raft]

christmas already over smh

[near mauve]

melle is huge part of 40k lore tho

tf

[icy scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/dakka-tabletop-dungeoneers-discord-orcs-irks-gif-22814163

[near mauve]

look at every artwork ever its always a mf holding a melee and a gun

from normal ass dudes to primarchs

[icy scaffold]

Tau

[near mauve]

melee is peak

[icy scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/tau-warhhammer40k-tau-empire-fire-warrior-fire-warrior-team-gif-17872206

[near mauve]

pin worthy

[mighty belfry]

Effort is a Darktide player's worst enemy.

[mighty belfry]

Yes. But it's only that weapon and the thing about Helbore.

[livid raven]

that's true, they should buff vet and give it to him too

[mighty belfry]

You actually need to be good at using it.

It's not an easy weapon.

[livid raven]

you just aim and shoot

it isn't rocket science

[icy scaffold]

That’s pretty complicated for the average player. You have to move your mouse and point it at the enemy

[lapis raft]

after seeing desperado scums just wailing at bulwark shields constantly, aiming and patience is certainly a lot of effort clearly :d

[mighty belfry]

Have yall ever used the Helbore?

Don't get me wrong. It's amazing when you do know what you're doing with it.

[icy scaffold]

You aim, charge, and shoot.

[mighty belfry]

But it is not the easiest weapon on the catalogue by any means.

[livid raven]

you make it sound like it's a complex gun

[zenith fern]

That's the problem with Darktide players, they know jackshit

[lapis raft]

i tried but after playing sm2 it felt like complete ass garbage wep so i stopped xd

[livid raven]

and not baby's first sniper rifle

[icy scaffold]

Or if you’re super advanced you can charge while you aim before you shoot

[zenith fern]

DT players don't even know how to melee and dodge most things

[livid raven]

i just use an autocharge mod

[rare stirrup]

skitarius chads stay winning

[livid raven]

kinda crazy how modders have to make such basic functionalities

[icy scaffold]

Inb4 Skitarii also get infinite ammo

gunluggers stay losing

[rare stirrup]

Skitarius is the name of a mod

[mighty belfry]

So you mod the weapon. To make it easier to use

Do you see the issue here?

[livid raven]

i mod the game because the game doesn't have basic functionalities

do you see the issue here

[shut tapir]

Is ranged hivescum despo valid for carpace clearing as well as trash mobs? or toxic melee/stimpistol better

[lapis raft]

obviously you should be proud of destroying your hands by playing games these days

[livid raven]

that's true

[brittle sierra]

I've heard this crazy rumor

So this very infamous league Streamer just got perma banned and is now trying out new games

One of the games he was recommended to play was Darktide 💀

So it can always be worse

[livid raven]

after all

[near mauve]

skitarius chads boutta be making macros to play the game by itself by 2030

[icy scaffold]

You have to blitz or melee to kill crushers on desperado builds

[rare stirrup]

If only.........

[shut tapir]

Just having a hard time finding a playstlye on hivescum i feel effective in

[zenith fern]

How are they in this game lmao

[brittle sierra]

They are desperate

Hopefully nothing happens

[lapis raft]

tarzaned? no pls go bac xd

[icy scaffold]

Stim supply with chem dependency is pretty good if you want to be more team support oriented while also double dipping on stims

[brave beacon]

any one play with the vrax mk v and the columbus IAR back to back?

[lapis raft]

pretty much every variation of scum is very effective hard to find something that isnt ngl

[brittle sierra]

So even though pubs may be cancer

Just remember

Maybe having a low player population isn't as bad as it seems

[icy scaffold]

You still want new players flowing into the game, even if the population stays low

I finally bought the game because hive scum would make it so I have 3 shooty classes to play

[brittle sierra]

Game has been at a steady 5k since the crash at launch

It would be nice if we hit 5 digits

But look at what happened to Helldivers

[brave beacon]

any one play with the vrax mk v and the columbus IAR back to back? im realy enjoying the Vrax Mk V and wondering if its worth trying the columbus?

[near mauve]

at this point there's nothing more they can do to get more players

[brittle sierra]

It's hard to believe that Darktide peaked at 100k

[near mauve]

besides becoming a 10x bigger studios and making more frequent updates

[lapis raft]

well helldivers was just the devs caving in to review bombs even though people still played the game even when brain damaged people were review bombing

so its mostly the devs fault not big playerbase

[near mauve]

i think its really hard to maintain players nowadays unless you're fortnite, pubg, battlefield ect ect ect

[lapis raft]

and then ppl learned that they can just perma review bomb helldivers and the devs will just do whatever

[eager reef]

helldivers also runs comically poorly

[icy scaffold]

Admech class, maybe a new enemy faction, better base UI

[brittle sierra]

Nah the problem with HD is that Arrowhead should not listen to cringe grifters and larpers who have the media literacy of a fetus

[eager reef]

also the game size fighting GTA

[near mauve]

ok and they get a big boost for a month then everyone is back to their main games
darktide is just niche

[icy scaffold]

Yea, the interview where they changed the game to suit the “6 million cod players” was telling

[near mauve]

there's a reason why literally no one else makes similar games

[brittle sierra]

Yes I've been banned from both the discord and reddit

How did you know? 😈

[near mauve]

its a niche that appeals to few people

[eager reef]

the smell

[near mauve]

vt2 has been given for free twice now and they get big boosts then boom everyone gone

why? cause its niche

[brittle sierra]

I was literally the only person on the server that actually talked about the lore

That's crazy

[icy scaffold]

It’s also pretty friend sloppy

[near mauve]

its too grindy to be friend sloppy

[eager reef]

how dare you try and start meaningful dialogue

[near mauve]

tide games take forever to get going

real friend sloppa games are plug and play

[icy scaffold]

Friends playing together don’t really care about reaching the higher difficulties and whatnot, as long as they’re having fun whacking things

[near mauve]

yeah and that gets old fast

[lapis raft]

darktide isnt even grindy compared to some other games i play and played :d

[near mauve]

i shilled darktide to many people and they either got tired of wacking 10 things on malice or just didnt wanna put up with the grind

[eager reef]

most players wont be like me and be okay peaking at Auric and never doing havoc, hell most casual players wont ever reach auric

[brittle sierra]

Nah the issue is that horde shooters don't fill a niche in the gaming market atm

They are not clickbairable enough to generate reaction slop

They don't have enough ego to be backseatable in the streaming scene

[icy scaffold]

It doesn’t even feel that grindy, since you don’t exactly need godrolls to handle Heresy

[eager reef]

but there is also a hgue difference between a casual player and a somone who plays casually

[lapis raft]

i mean sm2 is coop shooter, hd2 is coop shooter they bot were very popular i wouldnt say its a niche

[near mauve]

its less about endless grind and more about the new player experience being kinda tough
before level 30 most classes dont feel truly good, most weapons suck without proper blessings, game doesnt explain anything ect ect

[eager reef]

differnt power fantasy imo

on high difficulties SM2 is wildly hard, but on casual you walk stuff over

[near mauve]

hd2 had sony's packing and a lot more "Friend sloppy" than darktide

[lapis raft]

i personally def prefer coop shooters 10 times over battle royale slop games

[near mauve]

its also a lot easier to approach than a tide game

[brittle sierra]

People want to see either:

1.) people play the game for the first time and have the :0000 open mouth reaction

2.) addicts who are glued to their seats slowly losng their sanity every second on stream

[near mauve]

also gamers nowadays love constant updates

[eager reef]

at some point with tide games you have to learn deeper mechs or you wont progress

[near mauve]

and fatshark aint exactly a content machine

[woeful hill]

I saw a content once

[brittle sierra]

FUCKING CONSUME

JUST CONSUME, FUCK FLAVOR, JUST KEEP CONSUMING UNTIL YOU EXPLODE

[near mauve]

did you say hi to a content

[woeful hill]

ye

also

[near mauve]

good guy never met em

[woeful hill]

look

[near mauve]

new dn build

[lapis raft]

well live service games need new content to atually keep playerbase thats the whole model

so yea the content part is kinda necessary

[eager reef]

these are the thumbnails i live for

[near mauve]

the ledge is a nice touch

i keep ledging myself on this class

[brittle sierra]

Brother you don't need to release a patch every 2 weeks to enjoy something 😞

Gamers need to daddy chill

[lapis raft]

yea every 2 weeks is extreme :d

[eager reef]

i know im clicking on either pure slop or 110% gigabrain shit i wont do

[lapis raft]

i like every 3-4 months in poe for example a lot

but that model also actually still works

because playerbase in that game is actually not declining at all

[rancid veldt]

What’s the difference between the mk vi and mk 2 needle gun? Faster fire rate?

[lapis raft]

and its how many years old now

[brittle sierra]

Like sure I give Fatshark shit for the bugs and balance sometimes

But is it really that bad to have a game that only has a major patch every 4 months or so?

[lapis raft]

even when they shoot themselves in a foot with poe2 first game is still keeping good numbers

[icy scaffold]

Depends on what the major patch includes

[lapis raft]

like i said every 4 months is just fine

[lapis raft]

as it works in other games

[near mauve]

if u like the game no but most people just want content

me? i play for da love of da game

[lapis raft]

but ofc the ptch actually needs to be impactful

[near mauve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/521816893024108586/1440054069321269348/a49.gif

[brittle sierra]

CONSUM

[icy scaffold]

Like the new no man’s land missions are great. Just doing that sort of thing semi regularly will help keep things fresh

[lapis raft]

yea adding new missions sounds like something that can def be done in 4 months easily

[eager reef]

i like the new mission, i dont like doing the mission bc people are bad at sliding

[brittle sierra]

Gacha devs trying to have a whole calendar for the next 6 months showing in every detail what everyone will get:

[lapis raft]

and they can literally have infinite amount of missions not like theres a cap

[icy scaffold]

2 classes a year, while not sustainable will keep things fresh too

[lapis raft]

or even rework on class

[eager reef]

i would be amazed if we get another class any time soon tbh

[lapis raft]

even if the class already works, rework keeps stuff fresh

for stronger identity of the class or whatever

[eager reef]

mostly bc what the fuck are they going to add next

[brittle sierra]

Rework scum 😈

[dim moth]

true

[final temple]

summer. admech. calling it.

[lapis raft]

there is still bunch of antisynergy and nonsense on scum i wouldnt even be annoyed eve though i like current scum a lot

[eager reef]

i dont want it only bc i want them to suffer

[icy scaffold]

Rework Ogryn

[brittle sierra]

Ogryn is always the best class what do you mean?

[icy scaffold]

The one Tauntgryn build. Very good, much wow.

[compact oyster]

I do think fatshark should calm down with new classes atm

[icy scaffold]

#buffgunlugger

[eager reef]

even if we get admech how tf they going to balance that shit

[compact oyster]

We got 3 consecutive updates which were skilltree related

[brittle sierra]

Gunlugger is fine, especially Rumbler

The problem is fucking havoc is dogshit

Remove Havoc from the game

[icy scaffold]

Gunlugger is not fine

[compact oyster]

Its time for all classes to get exclusive weapons in an update

[brittle sierra]

It's fine when you have ammo

😈

[compact oyster]

We know well have a blog on what to expect from 2026

[brittle sierra]

Remove ammo from the game

[zenith fern]

Remove darktide from the game

[eager reef]

you only get ammo after getting melee kills

[lapis raft]

yea new weapons would be fun too

[brittle sierra]

Rashun tier list just dropped

[eager reef]

tbh scum could get all manner of improv weapons

[vapid lava]

bully club

[brittle sierra]

Cleaver

[eager reef]

metal pipe

[lapis raft]

if the "improvized" weapons will be all stronger than normal versions for no reason then i dont like that very much

like for example whats the logic behind shivs being better than combat blade in most areas

[eager reef]

https://tenor.com/view/bat-play-lets-gif-18220252

[vapid lava]

You have two of them

[lapis raft]

true 2 prison toilet stabbers op

them being 2 could've been actual niche instead andapply on hits twice

but no just give moar stats instead

[eager reef]

give scum crusher

[final temple]

first we need a scum keystone rework

[eager reef]

wdym i love taking drugs for 15% crit chance

[lapis raft]

also maybe its not super in theme but i would love some stabby weapons on arbiters for whatever reason :d

[final temple]

adrenaline and vulture are bad value propositions.

[lapis raft]

adrenaline do not feels like adrenaline at all ngl

imo it should just give attack speed at higher value

and remove the damage

[eager reef]

copy paste heavy hitter but it's all attack speed instead

[lapis raft]

i know some people love current adrenaline but i dont rly like it

[final temple]

the cope is stronk amongst the junkies.

[eager reef]

as strong as my addiction to the fabled 110% crit

[lapis raft]

enhanced descriptions is very fun mod :d

[eager reef]

shit like this is why casuals cant get into the game tbh

that not being in base game is crazy

[near mauve]

u dont need to know any of this

u throw bomba

bomba explodes

it kills everything inside

[eager reef]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-they-mean-random-numbers-gif-10654449

wonder how wolfer is doing now taht actual crackheads are ripping platoons of his apart

congrats, you managed to unify the cartels against you

what is the dump on chaxe?

[lapis raft]

yea, they could def just have advanced tooltips or whatever thats togglable by default and checkable on demand with alt or something

but that would actually require effort to explain stuff to players and thats forbidden in this game obviously

[eager reef]

Big E gave me a gift worth a damn

did a double take bc it wasnt garbage

[tight musk]

I got 2 needle guns from mission rewards that both have 60 stability.

[eager reef]

isnt the dump damage bc it doesnt change toxin damage>

[zenith fern]

yes

only affects the direct hit from the projectile

[eager reef]

god tahts so fucking funny

[tight musk]

Yeah, you don't really need a lot of stability on needle gun either.

Pretty sure the only stats that really matter on needle gun are ammo and mobility.

[calm aurora]

Falafel in D is a crime

[mighty belfry]

That's not a real person that made that.

I refuse to believe it is.

[calm aurora]

Also merry Xmas

[trim wind]

terrible, falafel is fantastic

[brittle sierra]

this tier list is racist

dont take it seriously

[near mauve]

DIE

[final temple]

‘keep gooning or everyone explodes’

[eager reef]

https://tenor.com/view/dying-hungry-and-thirsty-gif-16689267

[main wagon]

This is funny to think about now that you’ve said it out loud

“You’ve bolstered the enemy’s forces with both the deployment of an Adeptus Arbites regiment and the complete unification of FOUR major Atoman crime syndicates”

[eager reef]

why tf do i keep getting twins

[zenith fern]

playing havoc?

or orthus

[eager reef]

orthus

like the 8th time today

im not playing that shit

[zenith fern]

Honestly orthus is peak

Only when your team is not dogshit

[limber cradle]

I should do Hard Mode twins

[eager reef]

im not QP ingto it

[woeful hill]

turn off campaign for quickplay

[eager reef]

eh? i didnt even know that was a thing

[woeful hill]

yes

go to mission board

[eager reef]

makes sense

[woeful hill]

press E

toggle off campaign

[eager reef]

oh

[woeful hill]

its on by default

[eager reef]

i get why

but fuck off

[limber cradle]

Do people just do hardmode twins

Or is that a

Gather some idiots thing

[woeful hill]

they get stuck on the twins mission

since its difficult

and then they dont advance their line of campaign missions

so there are more twins missions then the others

so its easier to QP into them

[eager reef]

no that makes sense. when i did the campaign after the rework i jsut did twins on uprising to be on with it

[limber cradle]

Don't you show up at twins at like, level 18 or something

[eager reef]

give or take

most people should be on malice at that point

[limber cradle]

Agree to disagree

[eager reef]

no i mean they should be on malice if they jsut upped the diff

not that they should be on mlaice

[junior bobcat]

i think shared benefits penance might be bugged

its completed but its not why?

[brisk fog]

how tanky or squishy is this new class

like psyker squishy?

[zealous ravine]

squishier than psyker

[candid flare]

But built to avoid damage

[brisk fog]

k but like i cant play psyker because sometimes i just get hit and take billions damage

is this class likely the same way

[limber cradle]

Tanky till it isn't

Here's my counterquestion

How good are you at darktides fundamentals

[candid flare]

If you're like me and take chip damage all mission youll probably like gun scum

[brisk fog]

i know how to dodge and block but i go down on psyker more than any class

[limber cradle]

Psyker isn't squishy tbh

Like at all on the correct builds

I would imagine you will not find scum to be very tanky

[brisk fog]

oo they do have a stopgap for toughness-breaking damage tho

and only a 10s cooldown

pretty broken

[near mauve]

it really isn't

you will need it

cause u dont wanna be getting smacked on his guy

[limber cradle]

You really aren't afforded many fuck ups on Scum

[brisk fog]

do they have anything unique going for their mobility compared to other classes?

[limber cradle]

You have a bunch of ways to avoid damage

[brisk fog]

like more dodge distance or slightly faster?

[limber cradle]

But if you fuck them up you're done

[near mauve]

dodge distance on shivs will get u ledged often

[limber cradle]

It's the fastest class in game

[brisk fog]

interesting

i probably wouldnt die as much on it as psyker then

maybe im just not built for psyker

or the builds i do are bad

[limber cradle]

I cannot express the fact that psyker is wildly durable enough, especially compared to scum.

[brisk fog]

did this change recently?

like within 2 or 3 months

by tanky i mean like ill be locked in and ill get smacked from behind and lose half my hp

that's mostly how i fuck up on psyker

and yes i have toughness or hp curios

barely fuckin mattered

[limber cradle]

Good question

Idk how long psyker has been this stupid tbh

[limber cradle]

This will get you murdered on scum tho

[brisk fog]

surely not with that stopgap talent

[limber cradle]

Look

You've been warned

Good luck

[lapis raft]

well the tougness is restored after you take damage so if that damage already killed you its a bit too late :d

[brisk fog]

oh it doesnt negate the hp damage then

[eager reef]

if you struggle on pysker odds are scum will wring you out

esp while leveling

not as bad now

[limber cradle]

agreed

[eager reef]

but still rough

[near mauve]

class rework

[final temple]

I struggle with psyker’s cycles but easily persevere on scum

[near mauve]

in terms of dr

[limber cradle]

When was that

[near mauve]

few months ago i think

[eager reef]

imo scum can get away with apm maxxing and brute force

[near mauve]

the one where they reworked all trees

[limber cradle]

Alright, ty

[near mauve]

psyker went from haha u can avoid dmg with TOOLS to haha you can tank dmg

[woeful hill]

I love eating crusher overheads

yum

[eager reef]

mfw dome has 100% uptime

[brisk fog]

man if scum is a lightspammer i might not be able to play it without a qol mod like continuous lights or something

[woeful hill]

play heavy attacks weapons

[eager reef]

yesnt

[brisk fog]

fuck hurting my fingers over that

[woeful hill]

I use Dclaw

[lapis raft]

shivs def are just spam right click

[woeful hill]

timing the parry isnt as much of a strain as shiv light spam

[eager reef]

it's whyt i have scroll down as lights

[lapis raft]

but theres nothing wrong with using mod to not kill your hands

[brisk fog]

right click?

[near mauve]

somehow i still dont have carpal tunnel and i mash tf out of my left click

[brisk fog]

what do you put block on

[final temple]

you don’t need much of attack speed on shivs for them to be worthwhile

[lapis raft]

left click, just used to saying that from other games :d

[brisk fog]

[near mauve]

i dont use keep swining mods for a stupid rason that will wreck my joints
it feels like the game is playing itself

das right

i fuck my joints up for the love of the game

[charred bronze]

Do Crushers count as elites?

[lapis raft]

you dont need auto swing you can just use skitarius

[charred bronze]

or is elite a totally different category?

[lapis raft]

so you can just hold down left click

still perfectly normal gameplay

[brisk fog]

elites are things that are like, not really special

[livid raven]

they are elites

[charred bronze]

awesome

[near mauve]

please understand i must light click or my immersion is broken!

[charred bronze]

I want to kit out a pair of shivs for my despo spec that's explicitly and only for killing crushers

[brisk fog]

what's the default way to do heavies if hold LMB is light spam?

with skitarius

[lapis raft]

you just bind heavies to different button

[livid raven]

you don't

[near mauve]

u can set it up however u want

[lapis raft]

i have it on middle

[brisk fog]

hmm

[livid raven]

or you can bind another button to toggle spam lights

[lapis raft]

yea

[livid raven]

or you can use a weapon that doesn't do heavies

[near mauve]

i may wanna use that mod cause i dont want to ruin my fingies

over video games

[lapis raft]

ngl shivs barely need to do heavies if you run needler on side and use the shiv special :d

[brisk fog]

yeah i think separate hotkey for lightspam sounds best

[livid raven]

i was straight up feeling pain in the back of my hand after two matches with tacaxe

[brisk fog]

cuz some weapons have unique combos

like weaving in lights and heavies

[lapis raft]

yea i just set up wep specific in skitarius

[livid raven]

oh also

[lapis raft]

for knife i have it set up diferently for example

[livid raven]

this means you can't do push attacks

[near mauve]

somehow the weapon that actually made me feel pain recently is ogryn's power maul

[lapis raft]

i have middle for pucnh attack and left click for heavies there

[livid raven]

as you can't hold m1 for the heavy

well, if you don't use the toggle

[charred bronze]

thoughts on shiv blessings specifically optimized for killing crushers? I have uncanny and riposte currently

[brisk fog]

you mean that's why i wouldn't want lightspam on hold lmb right?

[lapis raft]

and then i can left click spam for lights and hold left click for heavies as i dont need to spam loights much on knife

[livid raven]

yeah

[brisk fog]

because it would fuck up push attacks

alright

[livid raven]

that's it

[charred bronze]

sweet. Glad to know I was on point