hivescum-class

[main wagon]

I started playing mortis for the penances and then quickly realized I was going to enjoy getting Remembrancer

Still enjoy it. It’s awesome being OP as fuck

[limber cradle]

I do mortis on occasion

I don't like, love mortis by any stretch of the imagination tho

[low harbor]

mortis could be rly good if it ditched the bs specialist waves and went havoc elite spam

it's by far the most boring

[tulip magnet]

fuck mutant waves

[main wagon]

Honestly my favorite title until I finally hit Poxbreaker. I’m just employed so I haven’t quite reached the mark yet

[limber cradle]

Mortis trials when Oops all mutants and poxbursters

[tulip magnet]

AAAAAAAAAAUUUGH

[main wagon]

I raise you Mortis that starts at wave ~8 and then goes on endlessly until you die

[limber cradle]

Tbh I almost dislike the orange titles because of the gameplay from people that normally have them.

[tulip magnet]

When the game spawns so many mutants the audio for everything else breaks

[limber cradle]

If you have true survivor on and I outlive you I feel some sort of disdain for you.

[low harbor]

burster/trapper wave spawn on mortis are most bs

[low harbor]

just turn off display title color in settings lol

every color is the default green to me

[limber cradle]

Thats not really what I mean

[low harbor]

or just, don't display titles at all

[main wagon]

Yeah I think you misunderstood the comment lol

[limber cradle]

I do too.

[main wagon]

It’s not the title itself, it’s the player

[tender ice]

That's why I dont wear my True Survivor title, or any title. No expectations

[low harbor]

he's assuming player skill based on titles

[tulip magnet]

The people with ASS titles, usually are.

[low harbor]

which is just not accurate

[main wagon]

This

[limber cradle]

No, I'm saying if you run the title you better be worth having it.

[low harbor]

even if he says he knows it's not accurate, he's still doing it

[limber cradle]

I tbh

Assume players with true survivor or havoc forged are dogshit

Because of how many of them I've seen die first.

[main wagon]

There was a discussion earlier where we were talking about “ASS” and “Havoc Forged”

^^

[tulip magnet]

I run Exemplar, I like purple more anyway

[limber cradle]

Basic frame/Reject title

[low harbor]

just run poxbreaker XD

[tulip magnet]

Reject is best for Scum

[low harbor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[tender ice]

You should just assume every player in every lobby is dogshit, regardless of title, and prepare to hard carry everyone. And if someone does something helpful, it is a pleasant surprise

[main wagon]

I totally get it. I had a True Surv in one of our Heresy matches with my brand new newbie friend who promptly ran ahead and got either trapped or overheaded

[low harbor]

I like poxbreaker because it's the only orange title that tells u smth without making u assume stuff

[main wagon]

I just told my buddy “We’ll get to him when we get to him. If he dies, he knew better.”

[limber cradle]

I'm very aware.

If i like any profile frame in the game it's the Tomes/Grims ones

[main wagon]

I use the trapper one on my scum

It’s a self fulfilling prophecy

I also use the Arbites mastery insignia for posterity

[limber cradle]

I don't use an insignia cause tbh i don't like any of them

[main wagon]

That’s fair tbh

I use the Moebian 21st one a lot because it’s a IYKYK one and looks relatively mundane

[limber cradle]

Which frame is that again?

[main wagon]

Veteran player one

Part of the “thanks for tolerating launch” stuffs

[low harbor]

the only good looking ones to me are 100 havoc wins and 50 mortis wins

[limber cradle]

Don't know if I have it or not tbh

[low harbor]

but

100 havoc wins can be cheesed

[main wagon]

The mortis one is cool on my psyker

[low harbor]

and 50 mortis wins is essentially brain damage

[limber cradle]

The havoc ones look bad to me cause the gold on them doesn't match any frame gold

[main wagon]

Mortis Trials is just a different strokes thing ig

[low harbor]

this is what I run

[main wagon]

I fuckin love it

[limber cradle]

Mortis trials players are, ime, a totally seperate breed of person

[main wagon]

I feel a bit of shame rocking that frame because it was bugged a couple months back

You just kinda got it for free if you didn’t have it, even if you inhaled ammo crates

[low harbor]

I did the 50 mortis wins and transcended humanity doing so

[limber cradle]

I still have to do that one

[main wagon]

The audio logs one is a bitch bc like

You’ll get duplicates a lot

[limber cradle]

Maybe I get another margarita and play mortis trials tn

[main wagon]

And they added Vortern when I was at 2 left

[low harbor]

dupes happen most for hotjoin

[main wagon]

I noticed that yeah

[limber cradle]

And you hot join a mot in mortis ime

[main wagon]

It tended to be more generous to me and I wondered if the logs were client side until I had a buddy tell me “nah we’re hearing the same thing”

I play at zombie hours so yeah, I’m luck if I can even find Mortis games

I gotta knock it down to Damn if I really want the itch because Auric is literally dead and the director will throw 4 plogryns at me on round 5

[low harbor]

I can play mortis with u rn if u want

to get those logs

just private game queue

[limber cradle]

Im not like

Farming the logs

I'm so far off 50 wins rn I'm not worried about it

I think I've played 6 mortis games ever

[low harbor]

it's the only good looking frame to me

[main wagon]

I mostly treated it like “I’m gonna play these anyways so if I get them I get them”

I like the lore

[low harbor]

I'm only missing marshal (1 & 2) and morrow (10)

[main wagon]

Honestly most of how I play Darktide is “I’m gonna play the game and whatever happens happens”

I’m not a very deliberate player but my rhythm is great

[mighty belfry]

the horror...

[main wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-sheev-palpatine-unlimited-power-power-force-gif-5073064

Prepare to play a 3 man game

[woeful hill]

or

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1272804331497979935/1450700850132418651/Kill_All_Smykers.gif

[tropic crag]

ok yeah i really like chain axe on scum

[icy scaffold]

I prefer to just ignore whatever they’re smiting

[main wagon]

Minecraft quake pro FOV

Jfc Ainz2

[tropic crag]

i give everything one curtesy smack if i'm running by them

[woeful hill]

that is me

[main wagon]

Lowk reminds me of Scout’s POV

[tropic crag]

when you want to play darktide as a lizard

[tropic crag]

100% that looks like the scouts gun with that fov

[main wagon]

With the hand wraps and the shotgun lol

I gotta try DB scum next time I play Dorktide

An old friend bought me Lords of the Fallen for chrimas

I’ve been kinda hooked

[tropic crag]

i've recently tried chainsword, heavy sword, and chainaxe and they are all just great

[main wagon]

HS feels great on HS

[tropic crag]

hive scum feels like slayer, just makes every melee weapon feel good

[neat delta]

Needle kills don't count as ranged kills right

[limber cradle]

Tell me if the immediately start smiting

Without even trying to use a weapon

[main wagon]

I’m still mad at the chainsword for outclassing the Evi for so long

[icy scaffold]

Only counts if the direct damage from the needle kills an enemy (so never)

[neat delta]

Wow lmfao

Crowbar good yea

[icy scaffold]

Counts for sample collector tho

I’ve heard crowbar is either you love it or you hate it. So it’s probably hovering around ok to good.

[limber cradle]

It's great until you realize shivs exist ime

[light phoenix]

Twin Stubs or Twin Autos?

[limber cradle]

In what context

[mighty belfry]

they did not

[limber cradle]

That's amazing tbh, thank you

[icy scaffold]

Autos for desperado, stubs if you want to be stylish on your melee build

[light phoenix]

As backup weapons in a melee build

[neat delta]

Whats bonesaw good for anyway

[limber cradle]

.45s

[mighty belfry]

honestly i had more of an issue with the zealot in our party

[limber cradle]

Do tell

[mighty belfry]

chorus zealot

constantly running up ahead

[limber cradle]

Nice

[neat delta]

bonesaw feels

painfully slow

[tulip magnet]

i like saw

slap a ton of cleave on it and you can just clear waves easy

[visual arch]

Is Fast Acting Stimms any good?

[neat delta]

Is this good for when ur running knife

does new mark of boltgun become good on scum

it sounds good with basically infinite ammo

[woeful hill]

they get bolter?

[neat delta]

sorry

bolt pistol

[woeful hill]

they get bolt pistol?

[neat delta]

Yes lol

[haughty badger]

yeah

[woeful hill]

ahhh

no

[woeful hill]

its probably the worst gun in the game

[neat delta]

:(

[woeful hill]

scum can buff it

[neat delta]

how so

[woeful hill]

close range damage

and unlimited ammo

[icy scaffold]

Bolt pistol is pretty fun on Scum

[tropic crag]

bolt pistol is good if your build just needs some ranged special and elite problem solving in it

[icy scaffold]

Run the mark that does actual AoE damage, and the blessing that buffs AoE radius

Makes pocket toxin blinders really nice

You can also spam it into crowds

[limber cradle]

Stack stick ass gun

[livid raven]

empathizing the ass part

[tulip magnet]

ass-ass ass gun

[icy scaffold]

I’d say it’s more ok/fun then ass

[limber cradle]

It's bad but fun ime

I've never used it for the gun part tho

[haughty badger]

if you're away from your team, no. if with team, can really help, specially for backstabs

[icy scaffold]

It does its job, scum deals with all the downsides, and killing things with explosions is fun

[limber cradle]

If I take it on arb it's for mobility

I simply don't take it on scum

I can run the .45s if I want a very meh pistol

[tulip magnet]

Fuck I could've just got this. I grabbed from the ammo crate last round for no reason

[queen spade]

Anyone got any good builds for havoc? I just barely walked into havoc today, and I'm fuckin weak in there

[icy scaffold]

Rip

[neat delta]

Does scum have a talent that lets em shoot fasteer

[icy scaffold]

Well you started Havoc at a terrible time due to rotten armor

[limber cradle]

The bottom left side of stimm

[icy scaffold]

Fire rate stim

[queen spade]

Oh is that what that green is?

[limber cradle]

Thats probably blight spreads

[queen spade]

No, on the enemies

[limber cradle]

The other less than fun part of havoc rn

Yeah

The green enemies

That die and make other enemies green

And leave behind goo

[queen spade]

Well shit, guess I just gotta lock in, and hope for the best then?

[limber cradle]

Good luck buddy

[icy scaffold]

Needle gun stim supply is a safe bet I guess

[queen spade]

Thanks ig

[queen spade]

?

Whats that?

[icy scaffold]

Needle gun. Grab the stimm supply ability, max out your stim with damage/cdr, and probably chem nades.

[neat delta]

puncture should be aoe

[exotic temple]

I run saw on my toxin builds. Shoot horde with toxin spreading needles, p attk h2 l 3 l4 ants repeat. If there are elites left you can light spam and let the tox kill them or alternate h1 and l2 til they are dead.

[queen spade]

Alright

[spiral horizon]

they're pretty fun ngl

not the best thing ever tho

[limber cradle]

They're my favorite scum gun

I genuinely love them

They're however stupidly meh

[queen spade]

Anyone know the best way to get the brutal blugeons penance done?

[limber cradle]

Anything with cleave and a melee build

[woeful hill]

Heavy attcks while stimmed?

[limber cradle]

Yeah

[woeful hill]

Tactical axe or heavy sword

Hsword best

[limber cradle]

I did it with crowbar cause I was leveling it at the time, HSword is good for it, Tac Axe works

[queen spade]

Not chain axe?

[abstract lichen]

Saw is slow

[queen spade]

But it looks cooler

[mighty belfry]

it's crazy

that I don't feel like playing Auric anymore

because if you have a remotely decent psyker in your party nowadays

it is just not fun

[woeful hill]

play solo or duos

way more enjoyable

[mighty belfry]

yeah I think I'm gonna start playing solo lol

[limber cradle]

I wish I had a consistent difficulty around Havoc 25-30 I could play without modifiers

[woeful hill]

start with duos

[mighty belfry]

Doesn't help that ever since the rework, there's been more psykers than ever

[woeful hill]

yup

more psyker buff

waiter waiter

[mighty belfry]

it's just too much now for auric

[limber cradle]

Another paragraph for SG

[limber cradle]

What if I have no friends especially not ones who play DT above heresy

[queen spade]

Is adrenaline frenzy good for getting the penance done? (Brutal bludgeons)

[mighty belfry]

I'll be your friend

[woeful hill]

ask in LFG channels for a true duo or dm me

my 1st true duo was with muff I found in the lfg channels

[limber cradle]

Sure

[woeful hill]

I dont think she plays anymore

[limber cradle]

I'm gonna be honest I avoid them

[frigid sluice]

ainz have you got a right side hivescum build

getting penances done

[frigid sluice]

hell yea

[frigid sluice]

how do I deal with crushers and big people

dclaw parry?

[woeful hill]

light heavy light light heavy light light repeat

or parry

[frigid sluice]

alright

whats the horde combo

[woeful hill]

or tox em

heavy light repeat

iirc

[frigid sluice]

got it thanks

[woeful hill]

Pa is also a good single target starter

[haughty slate]

I'm confused. You're taking one point in stimm lab but not that one that makes your stimm supply blow up?

[frigid sluice]

fuck me nevermind I can't get dclaw or autopistol I only have 23k gold

[woeful hill]

yes

this was for havoc blight

I only needed crate to be immune to the goop

idc for buffs

[mighty belfry]

cuz it's not really that good

[haughty slate]

right, but if you're going to take a minimum cooldown stimm you might as well make it a mini-nuke

but I get it if you're just penance farming

[mighty belfry]

there are other, much more competitives nodes on the tree

and a 3m aoe is not really worth it

[woeful hill]

how much damagea does crate even do

[neat delta]

whats the best mark of taxe to use

i forgot

[woeful hill]

mk7

mk4 for light spam

[mighty belfry]

7 stacks of toxin i think?

[haughty slate]

No, I get that. But if you're going for the minimum cooldown stimm crate build where it does 0 buffs and only clears corruption, it's worth it.

[woeful hill]

"When the stimm field disappears, an explosion is created at the location of the med crate that applies 7 stacks of Chem Toxins to all enemies damaged by it. The explosion has a max radius of 3m and deals 200 base damage with average armor damage modifiers."

200 base with 7 tox

hmm

I could try that next time to see if I notice it

[haughty slate]

It's good for nuking groups in chokes, especially crushers

not a great build compared to other stimm supply builds but I run it in auric maelstroms no problem

[mighty belfry]

when I tried it

the one primary issue

is the time

[haughty slate]

yeah if there was a way to detonate it sooner that would be great

[mighty belfry]

5s is very awkward to work around in this game

[haughty slate]

it kind of feels bad if you're advancing

[mighty belfry]

I'll say this

[limber cradle]

You need the true solo mod to actually solo/duo without bots right?

[haughty slate]

unless you just pull a massive pack of crushers into it and dodge around for a bit

[mighty belfry]

It's nice if you use it as a way to hold off a chokepoint behind you but then that becomes an awkward situation where your team sometimes won't benefit from the crate because of how you're placing it

And if you're trying to use it as a way to ward off corruption, it's kind of counterintuitive.

[haughty slate]

Yeah I only really use it in my minimum cooldown build

my teammates aren't really going to care about 4% strength

[mighty belfry]

No I mean, if you're trying to actively do that to use them as mines, there's a good chance you're placing them in places where your team won't actually go to get the buff.

[haughty slate]

gets better the higher difficulty you're playing at where hordes are dense and you need to take your time making space

[mighty belfry]

Since you need to consider that 5s arm time

The node needs work even on the build it's meant for.

I tried it.

[woeful hill]

true solo with QoL mod for solo with no bots

[mighty belfry]

I wanted to like it.

[woeful hill]

tried out the bomb crate

[limber cradle]

Thanks

[woeful hill]

its meh

I dont like it

[mighty belfry]

But it's just awkward to use even under the proper setup.

[haughty slate]

I don't find the anti-corruption effect useful unless running against certain modifiers

[woeful hill]

I can see its power

with infinite cleave

[haughty slate]

Yeah it's awkward to use. Can be effective, but definitely nowhere near as good as a regular stimm supply build.

[mighty belfry]

Yeah Ainz was talking Havoc with their setup

[haughty slate]

Gotchu

[mighty belfry]

Which, I can see it doing something in Havoc considering the density but even then, I just don't think it's worth the point given you have to change the way you use it which can be counterintuitive for actually wanting the benefit of corruption immunity.

It's a cool idea.

But the radius is just not there for it in practice right now.

And I hope they work on it.

[visual arch]

Auto Pistol or Pistol for Desperado? Running shivs for melee and the rocket blitz

[mighty belfry]

Autopistol

Not even a debate on that.

Pistols are honestly, not great desperado weapons.

They're more a supplement for melee/supply builds

[haughty slate]

Yeah it's more of a flavor thing. Honestly they should just make Fast Acting Stimms part of the base ability... I'm not a fan of modifiers that EVERY person using the ability is going to take.

[visual arch]

Okay, I figured. I've been trying the pistols out and they seem like theyd be good for NOT running desperado on a-- yeah

Pistol + Crowbar on a melee build seems good

Auto Pistol + Shivs for Desperado

and then ill probably run the needle gun + bonesaw for stimms just for the flavor

[mighty belfry]

I hate that Fast Acting is straight up a pure tax node.

No one is using the base Supply with that awful radius.

3m is pitiful for a buff ability.

[haughty slate]

Yeah. It just feels bad. Should just be base and reworked to maybe another node that would make Booby Trap more appealing.

[mighty belfry]

Radius should be upped across the board.

Or.

If they insist on Fast Acting being a node, up the radius of the base Supply so there's actual reason to consider using that over Fast Acting Stimms.

Hell I still think even with Fast Acting, radius should be like

at least 8m?

because I really like Supply but the main gripe I have with it is how often teammates won't benefit from it solely because they've already moved forward as you're using your crate lol

[haughty slate]

Yeah if the base radius was much bigger that would be something. Even then I don't think anyone would give up Fast Acting Stimms since it lets you get the cooldown back 15 seconds faster...

[fast gust]

The toughness side of the stim tree needs a buff too

It's a joke atm

[haughty slate]

It needs a whole rework tbh

[fast gust]

toughness regen hasn't been relevant for a year since the ogryn rework

[mighty belfry]

Just make toughness regen, toughness replenishment

[fast gust]

Why does Fatshark insist in it

[mighty belfry]

there you go

Toughness side better

Idk how they managed to screw that up

Like even 25% toughness replenishment would be a pretty big deal for a class like Scum

[haughty slate]

I run stimm supply on my double barrel shotty and shredder autopistol builds where I'm usually right behind or next to my melees so I can drop it on them

but yeah it feels bad if you're using like the needle pistol where you really want to stay back

ngl DB shotgun scum feels so good IF you don't do the Both Barrels setup

triple the spread, kills your movement speed, and more reloading

just use the primary fire... thank you for coming to my TED talk

[woeful hill]

Yeah

I tried it

It's fun

[low harbor]

cut it by half minimum

maybe even 60% cut

[woeful hill]

https://youtu.be/9kYDIUIkw2I?si=dfSyamTp0Zp1vvo0

This was my run

[haughty slate]

I like taking stimm crate for more uptime on the 30% reload speed and -50% recoil

feels so nice blasting through hordes

BANG BANG BANG

[frigid sluice]

lowkey I can see why crate is the weakest playstyle out of the 3

but holy shit it feels good

[haughty slate]

Crate ain't weak. It's the best choice on a lot of builds.

[frigid sluice]

comparing it with desperado and rampage

yea its weak

lowest lows and lowest highs

desperado is immortal bullet hose rampage one to two shots everything crate cleanses a bit of corruption and shares your stim

[haughty slate]

If you're running a melee build, rampage is obviously going to be better, but there are a lot of guns that don't make good use out of desperado

[frigid sluice]

and how does crate help instead

[haughty slate]

much higher stimm uptime since you no longer need to wait for the effect to expire and fast acting stimms + sample collector is busted with weapons with good horde clear

[drifting heron]

You can take sample collector on anything

It isn't even that far out of the way

[haughty slate]

having a spammable 20% strength, 15% crit, 20% attack speed, 30% reload speed buff on your entire team is massive

[drifting heron]

Right next to the 3 stacks toxin on blitz node

[haughty slate]

Right, but it becomes higher value when your stimm affects everyone around you and is on a shorter cooldown because you don't have to wait 15 seconds to get use from sample collector

[drifting heron]

This makes the assumption that the entire team actually gets it

Its usually like 1-2 other people unless you're stuck in a shitty corner

[haughty slate]

I average 3 which is still massive

[drifting heron]

Its good but like

Me with 75% strength is better than the team with 20% strength

95% of the time

[frigid sluice]

so in exchange for having worse bonuses than desperado I get to apply those bonuses to my team

how exactly does this help with guns that don't make good use out of desperado

do those guns even exist

[haughty slate]

Where are you getting 75% strength from? Also again, stimm supply gives much higher uptime on stimm effects

[drifting heron]

In an ideal world where you have a good coordinated team stim supply is quite good but auric is not ideal

[drifting heron]

Rampage

[frigid sluice]

needle pistol maybe

[haughty slate]

"If you're running a melee build, rampage is obviously going to be better, but there are a lot of guns that don't make good use out of desperado"

[drifting heron]

I mean in general

[haughty slate]

Agreed. I don't take it on melee builds.

[drifting heron]

I think the other two abilities are better 90% of the time

Because you cannot trust your team to so anything

[haughty slate]

Needle pistol, shredder autopistol, DB shotgun (though Desperado is ok on it, but you don't need it with all the suppression you put out)

[frigid sluice]

oh also would I generate more toughness with the 20% toughness regeneration stimm or the replenish 25% toughness node

[haughty slate]

Again, stimm supply gives a much lower cooldown for yourself as well. It's not just a team buff.

[drifting heron]

Yeah but the other 2 abilities give more stats as a self buff

And they just work without extra investment

[frigid sluice]

idk the best difficulty to get this toughness stimm penance done ngl

[drifting heron]

Auric

You need to actually heal toughess

[frigid sluice]

in higher difficulties no one takes toughness damage unless if its from a overhead and in lower difficulties no one takes my stimm

[drifting heron]

So play the diff where you take the most damage that is still casual

[drifting heron]

Gunshots

[frigid sluice]

maybe I just been getting godly teammates

[drifting heron]

Everyone takes bullet damage

[frigid sluice]

shit good point

[drifting heron]

They just shrug it off because modern dt balance

[haughty slate]

Desperado gives 15% ranged damage and 15% rending. Certain guns aren't going to get much use out of the sprint effects and many setups can circumvent ranged threats without it.

[drifting heron]

Everyone woll be immortal

[haughty slate]

Versus stimm supply which lowers the cooldown of your stimm by default by 15 seconds, plus lets you make use of sample collector for those 15 seconds, plus makes your stimm an AoE. Overall it's like having your stimm on a 40~ second lower cooldown and AoE.

Because if you're playing it right you're also stacking a bunch of damage buffs during that 15 seconds which lets you get the cooldown back much faster. You don't benefit from sample collector while your stimm is in use without it.

Stimm Supply is the only way you can do that... You just have to use guns that have good horde clear

[visual arch]

wahts shiv dump? Mobility?

[haughty slate]

Yep!

[fast gust]

despacito should not make you range immune

[visual arch]

def not me getting 20 consecutive 80% mobility shivs

i deadass just blew 250k on shivs and got 70% as my lowest mobility T-T

[haughty slate]

I'm sorry friend

maybe if you ask really nicely for Christmas

[visual arch]

okay, i got ONE thats 65 mobility 75 pen

honestly ill take it

[haughty slate]

to prove my point... using my DB shotgun build I can use stimm supply, fire into a decently sized horde, and when the stimm is done I have a 12 second cooldown

if I was using desperado, I would have a 90 second cooldown at that point

[drifting heron]

Yeah but you would also have desperado

Which is vastly more valuable for a gun build then more stimm is

[haughty slate]

Right, so do you want to have ranged immunity and a little more damage? Or would you like to have 20% strength and 15% crit in an aoe with close to 100% uptime?

oh sorry

I missed 20% attack speed and 30% reload time

It's a tradeoff. Definitely not a loss on a lot of builds.

[drifting heron]

Completely skipping over the infinite ammo and rending

[haughty slate]

The class has infinite ammo by default with pickpocket if you're shooting stuff. 15% rending is that "little more damage".

[drifting heron]

15% is useful for desperado because of mixed horde

Scab ragers are pretty big impediments to a ranged clear focus

And it also makes it more useful versus crushers which it kinda can handle

That 15% does make some weapons actually good against crushers in conjuction with stimm

[haughty slate]

You can also have 15% rending on your stimm if you want... So with that comparison it would be...

Desperado: ranged immunity, 15% ranged damage, and a self-stimm on a 90 second cooldown.
Stimm Supply: 20% strength, 20% attack speed, 30% reload speed, 50% recoil in an AoE for you and your team on about a 15 second cooldown.

[drifting heron]

15 second cooldown doesn't work for a gun build

[haughty slate]

With certain guns it does

[drifting heron]

Sample collector is melee kills

[haughty slate]

No, it's not

[drifting heron]

Or did they change that

Ick

[haughty slate]

It's all kills

Works REALLY well with ranged weapons like the needle pistol and DB shotgun for that reason

you can punch through hordes and keep cycling your stimm supply on an extremely low cooldown

and don't get me wrong, Desperado is friggin great and the ranged immunity is busted in a lot of scenarios

but Stimm Crate is extremely strong too IN THE RIGHT BUILDS

you just have to work around sample collector

[drifting heron]

I feel like most builds built specifically around crate can just have their job done better by the other 2

[haughty slate]

It all depends on how well your gun makes use of the buffs and sample collector

[drifting heron]

Like sure its really nice in that specific case

[haughty slate]

Those specific cases though are several guns

[drifting heron]

But if bog standard desperado also works and has more points to spend outside of that its just worse

[drifting heron]

Every gun that can clear makes good use of sample collector

[haughty slate]

Another example is the shredder autopistol, a gun that can keep Vulture's Dodge uptime up to like 80% just by shooting. It is already extremely mobile.

[visual arch]

Any reccomendations on how to deal with gunners shooting me from 200 yards away with autopistols/shivs?

[haughty slate]

It doesn't make good use out of Desperado in that case, so you're really just getting the damage/rending buff. Stimm Supply is better in that instance.

[haughty slate]

Right, but sample collector is better on stimm supply builds where you can make use of sample collector while you're all stimmed up

otherwise you have to wait until it ends... 15 seconds later with no buffs to help you lower the cooldown

[drifting heron]

If they're at 200 yards they aren't a problem

[frigid sluice]

slide and suppress with hipfire

[visual arch]

Got it

ty

[frigid sluice]

theres this one talent that lowers spread when hipfiring and it turns autopistol into a pretty good long range gun

[eager zephyr]

What’s the dump on shiv

[frigid sluice]

mobility

[haughty slate]

mobility

[fast gust]

morbidity

[eager zephyr]

Bet

[woeful hill]

Mobility

[visual arch]

Where in the tree is that?

[haughty slate]

The shredder autopistol is unironically my favorite weapon on this class. It feels so good against anything that isn't a crusher.

[eager zephyr]

Or should I just be a chad and use my all 76 one

[frigid sluice]

don't remember but its somewhere in the top

[haughty slate]

you're looking for sticky hands

[frigid sluice]

the stagger is nice but I prefer two

[haughty slate]

at the top of the tree, before the blitz nodes, on the right

VERY good node for ranged builds

[haughty slate]

I like it for the Vulture's Dodge shenanigans and blaze away + pinning fire

[visual arch]

Found it

[haughty slate]

I think they're both equally broken

[frigid sluice]

rad

[visual arch]

ill also try the autopistol if i get it

[haughty slate]

also my screen shakes like crazy with the dual autopistols

but lovely shredder would never do that to me

[visual arch]

whats the point of the needle pistol anyhow?

Like what it do?

dont have it unlocked yet

[haughty slate]

it kills anything over time

amazing weapon

on ranged and melee builds

[visual arch]

special popper them

then

[haughty slate]

it's your easy answer to carapace and bosses

[drifting heron]

Its like revolver

But better in nearly every way

[visual arch]

the revolver being my fave gun period

wonderful

[haughty slate]

Yeah not as speedy at killing specials but much better at killing crushers and bosses

[frigid sluice]

insane damage and extremely self sufficent gun that doesn't really need anything else to pop off with its only weakness being that the damage is dot instead of instant

[haughty slate]

It's honestly just an extremely well designed gun

like it's strong in every circumstance but doesn't feel broken

you could drop it into any build and nobody would question it

[mighty belfry]

except when you run pickpocket

then it is just actually broken

but that's more pickpocket than the needle pistol itself

[haughty slate]

pickpocket in general is broken but I love it and if Fatshark touches it I'll cry

[mighty belfry]

Nah I'll admit it does need to get a bit leveled down

Infinite ammo is a bit much

[haughty slate]

that's it

[mighty belfry]

...

[haughty slate]

I'm crying

[mighty belfry]

I say that, knowing there's probably a much worse offender of this issue anyway though so uh

Yeah

[haughty slate]

The main issue is that so many of Scum's builds don't work without infinite ammo

it's such a binary class

[drifting heron]

Sounds like a trigger discipline issue

I only run pickpocket on braindead desperado builds

[haughty slate]

More of an issue of the class having really lackluster hybrid options

[mighty belfry]

Yeah I've even been trying to stop using it on supply builds because it genuinely makes me too reliant on using the gun

When you can 100% pull off hybriding with supply

[drifting heron]

Stimm supply is hybrid because its just toxin buffs

[haughty slate]

Yeah supply is alright for hybrid but even then I think the best builds lean into one or the other

[mighty belfry]

And melee. And ranged.

[haughty slate]

Gun-centric stimm supply builds don't really need melee unless they put themselves in a stupid position where they don't proc pickpocket or need to block

Melee-centric stimm supply builds don't really need ranged because needle pistol is a free answer to that problem

It would be cool if Scum had a true hybrid keystone to incentivize it... Adrenaline rework 🙏

[visual arch]

whats the general usecase for bonesaw?

[clear wave]

applying rending or more tox

can apply up to 37.5% rending by itself

[visual arch]

Oooh

So if I use it for dependancy cycling on my stimm + rampage

Do I wanna use purple coating while stim or rampage is up

and green when i wanna recharge stim?

[clear wave]

Don't exactly know the thing, but purple for single target, green for anything else

[livid raven]

purple for crushers only

[toxic dagger]

agreed

I think it was a bad idea to make rampage and frenzy completely melee and desperado and vulture's mark completely ranged

[lucid nymph]

Thanks I been playing around with it and devil claw is super fun! Nothing it cant handle, crushers drop so fast.

[rough peak]

https://tenor.com/view/f-bi-raid-swat-gif-11500735

[wise turtle]

I wonder if the Blinders were originally supposed to be smoke nades, and they changed them to small knockbacks so they wouldn't conflict with the vet's smokes

[rough peak]

imagine a world where vets got blinders and hive scum got smoke nades

[wise turtle]

One of the Bounty Hunter voice lines says "Instant cover, coming up!" when you throw a blinder

[unreal stirrup]

still fucking manage to make blinders a better stunstorm + knives

💀

zealot erasure

[wise turtle]

Gotta love it

[unreal stirrup]

why adrenaline rework

[wise turtle]

Scum knives have better breakpoints too lol

[unreal stirrup]

dependency literally exist

[tight rock]

What is the best melee option for desperado to kill crushers

[ornate flame]

I'm grinding Hive scum and damn Hive scum is everything that Vet could ever dreamed of damn

[tight rock]

besides toughness shout

[ornate flame]

True beside that

But HS is so much fun to play than vet as well

Think i ain't going back

[tight rock]

it is fun, just need to make sure you don't die quickly

[unreal stirrup]

yeah no

while vet is "mid" now he still have broken shit

[ornate flame]

Such as?

[unreal stirrup]

psword exist

helbore

plasma

[dim moth]

vet is mid?

don't they have

[ornate flame]

Huh??

[dim moth]

the highest melee and ranged damage in the game?

albeit situationally for both

[unreal stirrup]

yeah that why there the "

[novel oracle]

Power sword
Plasma
Voc
Weapon specialist and all its interactions
Survivalist
Shock trooper

[dim moth]

MMF helbore is THE playstyle of all time

[novel oracle]

Upwards of 20% toughness per second and youre 1 shotting nearly everything in the game

[unreal stirrup]

biggest downside is finding someone that will accept you in havoc

[dim moth]

UPWARDS of 20%

20% is the baseline

[unreal stirrup]

also exhil takedown exist

[dim moth]

CK means that anywhere from 60-80% is the expected

[unreal stirrup]

so that even more + damage res

[novel oracle]

The good players will

The good ppl who just wanna have fun games are much more likely to take helbores over plasmas, rumblers, or literally any psyker

Slinkers united

[ornate flame]

Ah yes

Majority of havoc 40 players when they see vet have anything other than VoC

Insta refusal

[unreal stirrup]

yeah the one that literally have nothing to lose lol

its stupiuud

[neat delta]

surely theyre nerfing hive scum next patch

[unique spire]

1 more rocket

[neat delta]

Dude you can turn stim pack from 60 seconds to like 15

that IS broken

theyre 100% nerfing it

if not

fs is literally ran by clowns

they are the whole circus

[unique spire]

Why are you complaining

I thought you liked drugs

[neat delta]

I mean like its objectively broken lmao

[queen spade]

Woah, what

[neat delta]

I like it too cuz its crazy

but its objectively broken.

[neat delta]

yeah theres a talent that automatically restores your ability when your stim is done recharging

if you just choose one stim in ur stimm lab

its just 15

yeah 15 seconds

I feel like fs overlooked that

[queen spade]

Well shit, I might have to make a new build in the morning then😭😭

[rough peak]

https://tenor.com/view/15-reveal-numero-number-15th-gif-752694742807361298

[neat delta]

yeep

lmfao

[unique spire]

But you do have to fully take the skill recharge part, and that means you have less points to use on better things

[neat delta]

no tf u don't

https://youtu.be/IwhqNR4Jq98

[unique spire]

Yuh uh

[neat delta]

Look at this shit

[rough peak]

Looks like a youtube video to me

could be wrong tho

[unique spire]

Exactly

Though this guy is Tanner but actually good

As in

Everything

[rough peak]

Tanner without everything Tanner

[unique spire]

Okay watched the first 3 minutes

[neat delta]

dawg hes nothing like tanner

he's just a dt streamer lmfao

[rough peak]

that's why I said tanner without everything tanner :3

[unique spire]

Why the fuck would I care for like, some damage reduction and no corruption damage for 7 seconds

[neat delta]

it's FOREVER YOU BLOKE

[unreal stirrup]

stim effect apply even when stim on cd

[neat delta]

THE BLIGHT SPREADS, TOX GAS, DH

[unique spire]

You still can die

[unreal stirrup]

doesnt work in psykarium but in real game it does

[rough peak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1406988061509681285/image0.gif

[neat delta]

You are immune to the most annoying effect in the game

[unique spire]

I will send the squirrel

[neat delta]

[rough peak]

[rough peak]

randos?

[neat delta]

corruption

[rough peak]

Randos are more annoying

[unique spire]

Dude, why are you staying in the gas with no toughness in the first place

[neat delta]

Can we make a coat out of this rodent

[unique spire]

Or why didn't you pushed the pox burster

[rough peak]

Not until after christmas

[unique spire]

I thought you liked me

What the fuck

[rough peak]

You didn't let me finish: after christmas it isn't until after new years

etc etc

Keep em in suspense

[rough peak]

Also you aren't a rodent, so why are you offended? You're a skaven >.>

[unique spire]

I know implications

And nicknames

[neat delta]

RODENT.

[rough peak]

I'd call you a rat, not a rodent. Big difference

One is at least cute

[unique spire]

Look at my bio

You see

Below my name

[rough peak]

I plead the 5th

[unique spire]

Theres thing

That says:

[rough peak]

rat/rodent

[unique spire]

No

Actually yes

[rough peak]

I know lol

[rough peak]

I read it

You're gaslighting yourself

I'm too tired to be gaslit

[dim moth]

15 seconds and honest to god corruption immunity is a lifesaver in blight spreads

it'd be corruption immunity for you and your entire team for an entire mission

aka that havoc modifier just doesn't exist!

poxhounds wouldn't do damage anymore

crusher/mauler overheads wouldn't instantly kill you

It's a very good effect to have for havocs

[fallen void]

exterminator shotgun mark 3 or mark 8?

[final temple]

It’s a seriously good effect to have, period. And if you sync it with stimm uptime it becomes like a second, MUCH stronger aura

[woeful trellis]

the biggest use for corruption immunity besides blight spreads/not insta dying to overheads is letting you ignore ranged twin mines, you can just walk over them and beat his ass

[fallen void]

whoops wrong chat

[grand jewel]

personal preference

or reliant on build

they're both good

[keen timber]

In normal stuff it’s kinda whatever

In havoc it’s massive

[unique spire]

Catmiral 7397846395 too slow to respond to people

What a shame

[dim moth]

buh

[tight musk]

You did it, the wall has been defeated.

[main wagon]

I have ten 410+ 3stam curios

Not a single 17% toughness

My existence is pain

[sinful laurel]

for this class what is generally the choice between thrust and thunderous for chainaxe melee build?

[dim moth]

...neither?

if I had to choose I'd say thrust is a million times better tho

[low harbor]

I don’t think the +5s duration talent works for the crate effect?

[dim moth]

brittleness is not needed on chainaxe because it kind of ruins carapace anyways

[sinful laurel]

obivously headtaker and slaughterer is the "best" but for more single target/boss damage i mean

[glacial gyro]

tbh this feels like a good swift endurance setup

[dim moth]

oh in that case it'd depend on mark

[sinful laurel]

mark 4 ofc

[dim moth]

thrust for Mk XII since it actually uses its heavy attacks for single target

but Mk 4 spams lights for single target

[glacial gyro]

We talking chaxe??

[sinful laurel]

yea thats what i mean, like would you be using special attack heavies on mk4 with thrust?

[dim moth]

So I would probably take...bloodletter

rev attacks have less DPS than Mk 4's lights

by like a lot

[glacial gyro]

The crusher oneshot dispenser?

Honestly you don't need it, headtaker slaughterer ramps so hard

[sinful laurel]

that is... not tru if you're using heavy attack wdym

rev heavy attack demolishes

[glacial gyro]

on the mk4, yes

on the mk12, not so much

[sinful laurel]

yeah we're talking about mk4 so im confused

[trim wind]

Mk4 heavy rev still does a shitload

[glacial gyro]

mk4 heavies are lower damage wide sweeps, if you rev on the mk4, its for the light attacks, which is just not as good since, well, they're light attacks

the 12 is just better in every way for scum

[sinful laurel]

so that loops back to my question, for mk4 would you use thrust or thunderous (or bloodletter i guess? but tbh the bleed feels really weak when i test it in psyk on crushers)

[sinful laurel]

reving on the mk4 turns it into an overhead heavy

[glacial gyro]

The answer is neither

Rev attacks need to be used very sparingly, because locking yourself in a lengthy animation on a class that dies to harsh language is a terrible idea. You want to ramp your raw damage output as hard as you can without gimmicks or tricks, so headtaker plus slaughterer is your best bet

[final temple]

It doesn’t.

[glacial gyro]

mk4 also has other major problems for scum that have nothing to do with damage. Its horde clear being on its heavies fucks with your ability to maintain rampage, and rampage is absolutely the only viable ability with the chaxe.

[sinful laurel]

yeah sure but in situations where you definitely cannot keep the buff up and get enough kills, like fighting a boss or triggered DH, is the play to go thrust n rev heay atk or thunderous and spam lights

[glacial gyro]

My answer to that is play ogryn and use the mk3b bully club. You aren't here to do brittleness utility. You aren't here to swing very slowly and lock yourself down. You're here to kill shit and go fast.

[sinful laurel]

brittleness works for your damage no? thats 40% extra damage at max stacks

[dim moth]

have you tried spamming push attack

[glacial gyro]

Brittleness also does basically nothing to Unyielding armor anyway, so its not that useful on monstrosities.

[dim moth]

not how that works

it'd actually only be 10% on chaxe I think

0.9 ADM into carapace on its strikedown lights/rev

[glacial gyro]

Brittleness reduces the effectiveness of armor types vs unarmored. 40% brittleness takes a weapon hitting it to a point between the damage done to carapace and damage done to unarmored, basically. It isn't jsut a flat damage bonus. Often it can increase your damage by MORE than 40%, if your weapon has awful carapace values.

Chainaxe does not have awful carapace values.

[sinful laurel]

damn

even enhanced descriptions mod doesnt save me from ts

[dim moth]

it...increases your weapons ADMs additively up to 100

caps at 40% increase

[sinful laurel]

this game is the final boss of hidden math bullshit

[lapis raft]

well technically going from 0.9 to 1 is 11% more damage not 10 smh

[dim moth]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-tomato-tomato-mater-mato-catomato-gif-1820475763262864503

[glacial gyro]

brittleness is hard to explain, but easy to envision. Lets say I have a man wearing a heavy welding mask. I hit him with my stick. He barely feels it because of the welding mask. At 40% brittleness, I'm taking away 40% of the mask. Now when I hit him, he feels 40% more stick than he would have.

[dim moth]

man wtf are you talking about

okay so let me just show you in-game terms that are actually easy to understand

[golden otter]

Basically brittleness allows your damage to ignore armor

[dim moth]

the vast majority of melee weapons have a "Penetration" stat right? same stat is called "Stopping Power" in-game for the guns

[sinful laurel]

also this doesnt matter because its extra duration per "strike" and not per swing, as long as you're hitting a bunch or hitting elites it works

[dim moth]

It will show you how much damage they do into various armor types

Brittleness makes that number bigger when attacking enemies inflicted with it

Up to dealing 100% or regular damage

like here on the chainsword

[low harbor]

No, check my guide for how brittleness works

It’s very overrated as a debuff

[sinful laurel]

its ok they explained it fine

[dim moth]

if a weapon doesn't have the penetration stat, or doesn't list the health type you care about under it you can see it in-game through the attack breakdowns

I think all weapons have an ADM of 1 into unarmored

[glacial gyro]

Fucking, fine, I'll do the math.
If your weapon deals 100 damage per hit to unarmored enemies, but 50 damage per hit to carapace enemies, you have a 50 damage value difference between your damage to carapace and your damage to unarmored.

Rending and brittleness are identical in terms of function, one just goes on the enemy and everyone gets it, and one is just for yourself, so only you get it.

SO if an enemy with carapace armor has 40% brittleness, you take the 50 damage you're missing out on because the target has carapace instead of unarmored, and take 40% of that, and add it to the 50 damage you're doing on a hit. So 100-50=50, 50*.4=20, 50+20=70

Was that more or less confusing

[dim moth]

like

way less confusing

[low harbor]

Not how it works

[tranquil berry]

This is the internet. Things don't have to be correct, just stated confidently. Reality will adapt.

[glacial gyro]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kif1SOFRCtQ

shut the fuck up and learn

[dim moth]

You do know Path recently put out a steam guide with the help of dataminers detailing the hidden mechanics and jank of the game just a few days ago right

[glacial gyro]

No

[low harbor]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3367063781

[glacial gyro]

What does this have to do with how rending works

[low harbor]

I explained it in there

[sinful laurel]

now another question. hyper violence on chainaxe. im guessing it is absolutely terrible anywhere outside of horde clearing with heavy attacks?

[dim moth]

Absolutely mandatory on Mk4

[sinful laurel]

like the shred attack probably fucks hyperviolence?

[dim moth]

No question

[low harbor]

Yea, no good

[sinful laurel]

does it count the entire shred attack or just the last damage instance?

[low harbor]

Well

Last

[dim moth]

Just the first I think?

[low harbor]

But it kinda works in your favor in a way

[dim moth]

It would make sense for it to be the first

[low harbor]

But it’s still not great

[dim moth]

Actually this is it might be the other way around

[sinful laurel]

well im using mk4 and spamming lights

if you use the rev attack its good i think but otherwise bad

[glacial gyro]

Shred attacks are very weird. Its worth noting that the rip on a shred attack, if it kills the target, doesn't trigger a stack of Adrenaline if you have Smiter on either. Its one of the reasons I really do not like the mk4.

[low harbor]

The important bit is the last paragraph on excess ADM

[dim moth]

no okay definitely applies to the last hit

weird ass game

[low harbor]

HyperV checks latest damage instance I think

[low harbor]

Which should be the final tick of sawrip atks

[low harbor]

This is still pretty funny lol

I’m just nobody

[glacial gyro]

Alright, so the math as I got it from Ryken is wrong, but not... Appreciably. The general gist is the same, rending/brittleness bridge the gap between base damage and damage to armor, and if you already have good damage into armor, it doesn't do much.

[low harbor]

That’s the tldr of it yea

[glacial gyro]

Ryken even talks about the damage conversion past 100%.

[lapis raft]

it used to go over 100% right but then it doesnt anymore

[dim moth]

Not that I remember?

[low harbor]

The damage conversion is not horrible but not worth particularly investing into

[lapis raft]

oh it still does?

[glacial gyro]

And for that reason I would avoid thunderous at all costs on the chainaxe.

Its damage into carapace is already really good, and thats really the only armor type you really care about brittleness on

"But Cannabelle what about my team? They benefit from the-"
No. If you are swinging the chaxe, killing the carapace is YOUR job.

[low harbor]

Your team should build their own carapace dps weapons that don’t bank entirely on someone having brittleness

This should always be the case

And, if they don’t, it just means u have more stuff to kill that they can’t

[glacial gyro]

Don't we love how crushers warp the meta

like a black hole everything bends toward

[lapis raft]

its funny that from brief test i did even chaxe felt better to use than scum saw

idk why they hate saw

[glacial gyro]

saw needs cleave to work, and lots of it

fortunately cleave is very easy to get on the saw, lots of it

[lapis raft]

yea i had lots of cleave obvs

[low harbor]

Saw trades away too much that makes melee weapons good, to be a dot weapon

It has no good stagger atk vs melee elites

[glacial gyro]

I think the saw might be better in higher difficulties because you get more mileage from toxin stacks. In like, aurics and below, and even low havocs, the chainaxe jsut kind of oneshots everything it touches once it gets going, but higher up, everything has a billion health and you spend most of your time running away, so that damage ticking while you're fleeing kiting is very valuable

[dim moth]

at least it has one I guess

but god those heavies are mid

[low harbor]

I’m not counting heavy1 as good

[dim moth]

I didn't either

[low harbor]

Takes the 2nd tick of damage to actually stagger rager

It’s horrible

[glacial gyro]

That can be said about the shivs as well, the only scum specific weapon with useful stagger is the crowbar, which... Has its own issues

[low harbor]

Shivs sorta get a pass because u can get 4m+ dodge with it

[lapis raft]

well shivs have way better mobility and attack faster

saw mobility sucks

[dim moth]

can dodge all that distance and somehow the dreg rager sprint attack is still hitting me

hate those enemies with a burning passion

[neon fern]

shiv u can literally spam dodge like an ape in most situations and win

[glacial gyro]

we love slot system

[low harbor]

I think shiv dodge with nimble fks with netcode or smth

It’s very weird

[near mauve]

as it should be

[low harbor]

U dodge so far the game doesn’t think u dodged that far

[dim moth]

yeah I see that happen with Fervor from my stimm active

the game rubberbands a lot and it kinda hurts my eyes

[low harbor]

I don’t think shiv is best hvs melee either

Maybe 2nd place

[glacial gyro]

I really think its just the slot system being fucky like it does sometimes, on other weapons when it happens you don't think about it because you go "oh I guess I didn't dodge right" but on the shivs, when you enter the warp and appear half a mile away and still get hit you go "Now hold on"

[near mauve]

i just dont understand the game's dodge system at all why is it so weird
in every game ever u have a hitbox and the enemy has a hitbox and u fully dodge or iframe the hitbox or strafe around it
meanwhile this game has this weird "count as dodging" shit that doesnt work half of the time

[low harbor]

Idk maybe

[glacial gyro]

SLOT SYSTEM BABYYYYYY

[low harbor]

Could also be ninja knife template being weird

[dim moth]

is it combat axe supremacy again

[glacial gyro]

Its complex and even I won't pretend to understand it so here you go https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1epao9b/can_someone_explain_slots_in_darktide_to_me/

[low harbor]

Did it seriously take you this long to figure that out

[dim moth]

man I don't use the combat axe

I don't like it

[low harbor]

Oh ik how slots work, I’m just not sure if they’re the cause for this

[glacial gyro]

The best weapon in the game continues to be the best weapon in the game, yes

[glacial gyro]

I was linking it for cyber

[low harbor]

This only occurs with the 2 ninja knife dodge template weapons

[glacial gyro]

since he asked how it worked

[low harbor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1185515538475134998/1453190181149737121/58966B1.MP4?ex=694d3512&is=694be392&hm=ca9ea919bd50e1f7416c2948a9f94f481349bbd3bcd2db82a8ac590e1b38a8e9&

[glacial gyro]

I look at rashad and seethe because as much as I enjoy the mk12 chainaxe the rashad is literally just that but better and with less jank

[dim moth]

https://imgur.com/a/LxhEst9 more like fucking ROBBERY system

[near mauve]

ive seen vids on slot system before and it makes sense for a horde game but i dont see how it relates to the way they designed dodging

[tight musk]

I find the rashad kinda boring to use, idk.

[near mauve]

cause it is

but its mega effective

[low harbor]

It’s very boring until u start learning sprint cancel

Then it’s very fun

[near mauve]

and as an axe enjoyer i'll always enjoy it

causes axes are peak

tbh they could keep the same combo chain just make the animations have more flair

[glacial gyro]

I just want a bigger axe

two handed chainaxe when

[low harbor]

The only difference between this game and other i-frame dodges is that u cannot dodge unharmed through AoE, which I think works in favor for this game

It’d be pretty cringe if u could just spam dodge through fire and be fine

[glacial gyro]

which is also why getting cornered is bad, because all it takes is one bomber or flamer and if you're trapped in a dead end with ten fucktillion poxwalkers between you and the door and the floor catches on fire you're done

[low harbor]

In the files lol

[glacial gyro]

I KNOW

https://tenor.com/view/give-me-give-it-to-me-now-gif-6486247

[low harbor]

It’ll prob be zealot exclusive

[tight musk]

Just pickpocket a mauler, dummy.

[low harbor]

They need more good exclusive weapons

1 isn’t enough

[glacial gyro]

Man if zealot gets to hog BOTH big chain weapons I will be so depressed

[near mauve]

why not

give the class some identity that's sorely needed

[low harbor]

I don’t think any class besides zealot is getting a 2h Chainaxe lol

[glacial gyro]

I do think we need a polearm in the game, and I do think Zealot should get it

Billhook supremacy

[low harbor]

Vet maybe 2h power axe since that is actually used by like navy breachers

And falchion was borked

[glacial gyro]

You will NOT force me to play veteran to have a big axe

Veteran exists to throw krak grenades and teach people bad habits by pissing on everyone's toughness bar

[near mauve]

i think they should limit a lot more weapons

[glacial gyro]

every weapon selection should look like ogryn's

[near mauve]

a bit too extreme

[low harbor]

lol nah

[low harbor]

They don’t have enough variants for class exclusives to even consider that

[glacial gyro]

I will concede that as the melee-focused base class, only getting two melee weapons to yourself is sadge, especially when the best melee weapon in the game is a vet exclusive

[low harbor]

Zealot has 3 melee exclusives

But only 1 is good

[glacial gyro]

imagine the absolute fuck a zealot could achieve with a power sword

[low harbor]

And that 1 is a tier 1 weapon, not a tier 0 weapon

[sinful laurel]

the world isnt ready for duelling sword hive scum

[glacial gyro]

Relic, evisc, whats the third

[low harbor]

TH

[tight musk]

Hammer 40k.

[glacial gyro]

Never give hive scum dsword, we need to gatekeep those people as hard as possible

[low harbor]

Wouldn’t rly matter, shivs are better

[glacial gyro]

Oh right, I actually forgot thammer existed

[sinful laurel]

real

[glacial gyro]

I'd put them on par with the dagger, maybe a little higher due to the strikedown heavy actually having two hitboxes which can help... Occaisionally

[low harbor]

Shivs outclass knife specifically on hvs

[sinful laurel]

dont shivs throwing knives immediately put it above knife anyways?

[low harbor]

Not exactly

[glacial gyro]

True, forgot about the throwing knife

[low harbor]

Knife is technically higher single target dps

But knife’s higher single target dps comes with stamina cost

Which means u trade atk speed & DR for it on hvs

And when rampage runs out u can’t use it

[tight musk]

Push stab on knife goes crazy.

[low harbor]

So shivs are better specifically for hvs’ kit

[glacial gyro]

hmmm I still don't know, crushers are the thing to kill in higher havocs, and dagger is marginally better at killing them

[tranquil berry]

For me they're mostly better for variety. Got knife on 3 other classes in various builds, why do the same thing yet again here?

[lapis raft]

well you dont trade attack speed if you dont click swift endurance, but losing the dr sucks sometimes

[glacial gyro]

If that argument comes purely from a place of desiring variety, then I have no quarrel with it, but if we're talking about this from a utility perspective, that's like saying 3 of your cars have circular wheels, why put circular ones on this fourth one

[low harbor]

U should still click swift endurance because it’s by far the best pick in that row and knife wants some attack speed

[lapis raft]

without curio its 6-8% attack speed, im more than fine with not clicking it

[tranquil berry]

Close. 3 of my cars have 4 wheels, so i got a motorcycle for variety

[glacial gyro]

See there you go

[tranquil berry]

Variety is important for longevity. And they're both close enough as far as how good they are

One marginally better with this or that build, who cares?

[near mauve]

shivs 1 shot everything anyway who cares if knife does a bit more single target

[glacial gyro]

If its just variety, go for it, I use the chainaxe despite that being mid on scum

[tranquil berry]

Both are well within the margin of error for skill and do mostly the same job, so why not add that variety spice?

[glacial gyro]

Because h40 is meant to be unfair and obliterate your soul and your will to live so fun is not allowed there

[tranquil berry]

I still try to sneak some fun in

Contraband entertainment

[limber cradle]

Shiv>knife entirely cause throwing a shiv cross map into a sniper feels good

[tranquil berry]

It is fun as a zealot with throwing knives to steal the throwing knife kills from scums

It's like a darts competition

[near mauve]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwhqNR4Jq98

[unreal stirrup]

you're on scum?

bruh

[unreal stirrup]

you pop stam stim after rampage to mitigate the downside of rampage

[tranquil berry]

Heh... Stam stim...

The stam stim flim flam....

[astral sundial]

Yo.

Merry chrimbus everyone.

Question. I wanna THE most stupid meele build possible (stupid as in braindead OP)

any advice or builds?

Like, i wanna run into a horde and just survive no matter what comes at me

[unreal stirrup]

win

[tranquil berry]

Sure. Play shield ogryn and plant yourself in a corner. The build is: no skill points at all, grey shield fresh from the shop, queue for aurics

[astral sundial]

XD

No i mean as scum

With the rage talent

Like, i wanna go ABSOLUTELY meele ham.

[tranquil berry]

Ah, can't help you there, i only give advice for how to do stupid shit

[astral sundial]

But yes, I do have a shieldogryn build and its QUITE funny XD

Though I am sad that they massacred my boy the gunlugger

[dim moth]

when

[astral sundial]

I mean, like... EVERY time they "changed" it

And with desperado scum in the game, gunlugger ogryn has become basically pointless, lol

[dim moth]

p sure desperado scum isn't really the same playstyle as glugger

despite both being the "close range gun" archetypes

cause glugger isn't really a ranged class so to speak

it's a weaker melee class that has immense burst damage with their gun

[keen timber]

I mean old gunlugger was a bit absurd

[astral sundial]

It was

in a very fun way

[keen timber]

"bit"

yeah i mean

[astral sundial]

i would regularly just walk up to a demonhost and shred it in seconds

my teams going 😮

Good times

[dim moth]

yeah now you have to do cringe shit to do that like "play veteran"

or "play zealot"

unfair to oggy

[astral sundial]

What do y'all think of this one?

Any changes I should make ?

The goal is being the most absurdely stupid "run in there and dont come back out until everything is dead" meele scum

[dim moth]

you could spend 1 more skill point in the middle

to make the build worse

it'd be funny

[glacial gyro]

Well, what weapon